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Sept. 22, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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WarRoom Battleground EP 379: The Loss Of Sovereignty And Missiles For Ukraine
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ben harnwell
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steve bannon
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joe scarborough
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willie geist
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steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
This is what you're fighting for.
I mean, every day you're out there.
What they're doing is blowing people off.
If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians, get total control and total power.
Because this is just like in Arizona.
This is just like in Georgia.
It's another element that backs them into a corner and shows their lies and misrepresentations.
This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged.
As we've told you, this is the fight.
unidentified
all this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.
War Room, Battleground. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
willie geist ▲ ● ▼
At the UN, taking a veiled shot at Poland and other countries in Eastern Europe for stepping back from their support. Poland says yes, they do reserve the right to resume those weapons shipments, but for now, they're pulling them back.
joe scarborough ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, you know, Richard, there's an election in Poland in a couple of weeks.
It's going to be a heated, heated, just a critical election for the direction of Poland's democracy.
That said, Zelensky could have picked a better time to start criticizing people in Eastern Europe.
I know when we were given $40 billion, I remember one time saying on this show, you know what, just saying thank you, just saying thank you might be a good start.
I understand what he's going through, but you look at the history, you look at what Winston Churchill did with FDR, how he constantly worked him, constantly lobbied him, constantly played him, constantly, it was all over him.
and keeping FDR in the game.
It meant the survival. I will say Zelenskyy, time and again, insults a lot of allies that are giving him billions of dollars.
And the Poles finally said enough. I think, again, the Poles will come back, but if you, we all remember the beginning stages of the wars, Poland literally threw open its door to millions and millions and millions of Ukrainian refugees.
Nobody was more open.
Nobody was more supportive.
So yeah, this is a really bad development.
unidentified
It's a bad development, but Poland will continue to transship all the arms from other places.
You're right, it's about the elections coming up, cheap grain coming from Ukraine, Polish farmers unhappy with it.
But Joe, I think there's a larger story going on here.
There's a bit of war fatigue.
We're seeing it in Poland, refugee fatigue.
You're seeing it in Washington.
We're seeing that the counter-offensive, quote-unquote, is not going to deliver liberation of territory anytime soon, if ever.
There's a gap increasingly between the war aims of Ukraine and what's happening on the battlefield and the patience of other places.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Stop.
Just Memphis, just do me a favor.
Hold it right there because it's my heads is blown up.
It's perfect.
Uh, it's Friday, 22 September, the real or 2023 in Memphis.
I'm a probably ask if my crack production team here in Memphis, I'm going to want to replay that one.
When the guy starts talking about war fatigue, think about it for a second.
You've had 50,000 casualties in Ukraine.
Women, children, young men and women that have volunteered to fight.
And sometimes been Shanghai to fight, but to fight for their country.
unidentified
50,000 dead.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
That's not my number.
It's not Ben Harnwell's number.
We're going to have Beatrice von Storch on here in a minute from the Alternative for Deutschland.
It's not her number.
That's the number of the Pentagon of which in the New York Times of which, of which the Ukrainians agree with is another 125,000 wounded, 150,000 wounded.
And I'm not sure those numbers even incorporate what's happened in this, uh, what's happened in this, uh, in this counteroffensive.
unidentified
Okay.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
I'm not sure it's, it's in the counteroffensive count, all in the counteroffensive and look at them right there.
All the people that goaded them into this, you know, I think there's some war fatigue.
What fatigue have you got?
Sitting there with your cup of coffee in Ponte.
What fatigue do you have?
What fatigue?
Please tell me.
Morning Mika, morning Joe.
This is how awful and evil these people are.
This is what they are.
Okay?
This is what they are.
They sit there like Professor Mersheimer says and they've led them down the primrose path As we've said on this show from the very beginning of this war.
And now that it's getting tough, oh, you know, there's war fatigue.
No.
We had the fatigue immediately because we told you this was going to happen.
You know, there's some, this is the knitted brow.
These are your betters.
These are your betters.
Sitting there with the knitted brow, you know, there is some war fatigue in the capital.
There's not war fatigue in Poland.
And this is not about a political campaign that's coming up.
The Polish farmers don't want to be destroyed by the cheap Ukrainian wheat.
This is they're trying to put their country first.
Also, they've given tremendous benefits to Polish people who don't have that kind of money.
Don't have this kind of money.
This is what being a Catholic nation of giving and nobody gives more than the Poles and their history.
Look what's happened to them.
They gave tremendous benefits.
They gave health care and education and all of it to the, what, a couple of million refugees that went across.
We told everyone this was going to happen.
I would love, you know, I would love to have the 50,000 dead.
The 50,000 dead.
Watch what we just saw right there.
And there's more to come, and we'll play in a second, Ben, but we got Beatrice up here.
There's so much going on in Europe that's inextricably linked to here in the United States, and obviously vice versa.
But I need you, you're a guy in Rome that's done the best of keeping your eyes on what's happening in Europe.
I can tell you from Fairly ringside seat in the United States with people there on the inside and were there.
This was a catastrophically disastrous Visit by Zelensky he very foolishly because he doesn't have a lot common sense Not in a million years.
She have come to Washington.
It was stupid enough for him to go the United Nations He should just stayed there gratitude worked on the counter-offensive coming here and It's the death now of the Ukrainian support.
The number's going to be zero.
There are going to be huge fights and even Democrats are going to peel away.
Biden's going to peel away because the tide's turned.
Everybody's now listening to what we're saying and what Gates and these other people are saying.
It's no more Ukrainian funding.
MTG, who's really had McCarthy's back, she was the deciding vote on the defense budget.
And she said until you take the $300 million out of the $880 billion defense budget, $330 million out, I don't even want to come to the floor.
That's how worked up people are in this.
Ben, give us your perspective.
I say it was catastrophic.
Nobody wanted a photo op with him.
McCarthy's guys, no meetings, no big meet, no general talking even to the Republican Congress or people in the House and even people that were there with him saying it was just he's tonally deaf.
Your assessment, sir?
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
Well, Steve, good afternoon to you.
My first question here is, Wasn't there anybody in the administration telling Zelensky on the phone, don't come.
Do not come.
Now is not the time to come.
It's going to go.
It's going to be counterproductive.
It's going to go against you.
Was there nobody there in Washington, D.C.
feeding him that message?
And if that message was going through to him, then the obvious question is that he chose deliberately to disregard that advice and to come anyway.
Therefore, I would say here, he owns the responsibility for the consequences of this.
Because we said back in July in Vilnius, in the annual NATO conference in Lithuania, we said in real time the very day that conference took place, and there was the photo there of all the heads of state and heads of government.
And Zelensky was there in one moment.
He was just standing there on the stage by himself.
That spawned a thousand memes.
But we said that very day, this program said, this is the moment in the future.
We're going to look back and say, this is the moment that NATO started to pivot away from its support of Ukraine.
And these are the follow on consequences of that.
And I think it's absolutely clear.
You know, just to say, to give a bit of background to what's going on in Poland right now.
They're, they're, they won this year their wheat imports from Ukraine and Poland is largely an agricultural economy still.
Their wheat imports from Ukraine exploded by 600%.
And you can imagine what that will do to the productive agricultural base of that economy.
And it's therefore only sort of natural that a government that isn't comprised of sociopaths, that is trying to stay close to the people, will respond to that anger that is latent in the Polish people.
So when Richard Haass says, oh, you know, there might be a bit of a Ukraine fatigue, you know, I'll flag up if Memphis wants to produce my first article while I'm talking here.
The BBC is pushing the same line.
There's a bit of Ukraine fatigue.
It's not Ukraine fatigue in and of itself.
We indicated a year and a half ago what the consequences are going to be.
It's a case that there's on the 15th of October, Steve, there's an election in Poland and the Law and Justice Party, the present governing party, the PIS, they're neck and neck.
It's going to be a close-run thing.
And there's a party, everyone says that the law and justice are extreme right and far right.
There's actually a party further to the right of law and justice called Federacja.
They're on 10%.
So for their own survival, Steve, this government has to now start responding to the anger in Poland.
You know, after the break, I'm going to come back and talk about that.
And it's not only in Poland either.
You asked me every other day, you know, what's going on?
in Europe, what's going on in the capitals. We are really starting to see now, and I would suggest to some extent it is related to what's going on in the United States, we are really starting to see a fight back now in Europe's capitals. And it's really simply been breaking out into the public over this last week. Let me get, I'm gonna come back when we get more in Ukraine and we'll talk about this populist, the populist right, because now of course I think the FT's got to blame us.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
We're going to be the ones to take down.
We're the biggest, we're the biggest problem to climate change.
We're going to talk about, we got Dave Walsh on here to talk about carrying all of it.
But I want to bring in Beatrice Van Storch, the deputy chair of Alternative for Deutschland.
First thing, Beatrice, tell us how, tell us how, um, Hang on for one second.
Is she ready to go?
Okay.
Do we have, we don't have Beatrice?
Okay, fine.
I'll go back to Ben.
Dave, just hang on for one second.
Ben, on this, on the populist right, the first question I got for Beatrice is that how did she come, how did they come out of nowhere and become the number two party?
I mean, you're seeing the populist right, but Alternative for Deutschland was marginalized.
Remember, you and I spent a lot of time in Europe trying to build this coalition.
It's now coming together.
But they were the ones that were most marginalized.
I remember I went to Berlin.
They were the most marginalized as, you know, neo-fascists.
They were anti-immigration.
They're anti-human.
And now they're the second biggest party in Germany.
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
Well, they got that way.
You asked the question, how did that happen?
How did they come from nothing to being the second?
And it's because the mainstream parties ignored the German people.
It's as simple as that.
They ignored them.
They persisted in ignoring them for long enough.
And in a certain way, politics is like the free market, isn't it?
If there's nobody there supplying a want and a need in the market, a supplier will arise.
And that's exactly what's happened with the alternative for Deutschland.
They started responding to an anger and disgust in the German people that the locked-in establishment parties, the Christian Democrats and the Social Democrats, and refused even to recognize it existed.
Because, you know, these are the skinheads, these are the Nazis.
We'll put a cordon sanitaire around this section of the population and we'll just ignore them because, you know, they're deplorables and all the rest of it.
But of course, they're not.
They're ordinary German working people who have this romantic notion that a government should put their interests first regarding the interests of other people.
For example, the million or so supposedly asylum seekers that Germany accepted in one year alone under Angela Merkel.
That sort of created the massive anger that was there in Germany.
And people like Beatrix von Storch, who is excellent, and by the way, Alice Rydell, they came in and they've responded to this anger.
And that's what's happening all across Europe now.
There's an article, Steve, in The Economist, which has an amazing fact, right?
And this just basically shows, I think, how the war room and the economic nationalism that we've been spearheading here has really been ahead of the curve.
But here's the situation in continental Europe.
This is, and I quote The Economist here, our calculations show that 15 of the Europe's Your European Union's 27 member states now have hard right parties which have support of 20% or more in opinion polls.
That is to say almost four fifths of the EU's population now live in countries where the hard right commands a loyalty of at least a fifth of the public.
And that, Steve, that is only going to grow.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
I agree with you 100%.
I think the Ukraine situation brought it.
Ben, hang on.
And Dave Walsh, hang on.
We got a lot to get to.
I think Beatrice is, I think she's up.
Beatrice, do we have?
Yes, there you are.
Deputy Head Alternative for Deutschland.
Beatrice, here's the first question.
You know, our audience, we've put up a lot of stuff on Getter and follow you closely.
But tell us in your own words, because you guys have gone through some tough times.
How did, how did you guys come back to be the second biggest party now in all of Germany?
unidentified
Well, first of all, the party is performing very good, but to be honest, it's just the governing who's just ruining, it's just destroying our country and people are just fed up with this.
The biggest issue is migration and they don't want to stop it.
No, they are increasing the numbers of migration and people just realize that's impossible.
We can't bear any more migrants.
So that's the first thing.
Then they want to put climate change first and they are just not focusing on the interests of the people.
They just came up with a law which will force every private house owner to invest something like 100,000 euros to reinstall a new heating system, even though there's a working one in the house.
So they are just not meeting the people's interest.
And the country basically stops of being a functioning first world country.
This is what the people have the impression and this is why we're number two in the whole of the Federal Republic of Germany and we're the number one in the eastern states of Germany.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
The economy is also, I think, that Germany's either in a recession or leading Europe into recession.
Talk to us about the overall economic and how the government's managed the economy.
unidentified
Well, they're managing the economy and driving them out of Germany.
So we have seen something like 140 billion euros who have been, euros who left Germany because the industry and economy, they do not want to invest the money any longer in Germany because that will definitely mean you will lose your money because we are declining.
We are shortening the supply of energy.
The price is just up 100% again, even though it has been up 70% after Merkel's governance.
So it is no longer possible to run your industry here with reasonable energy prices.
There are a lot of things which are not good for the German economy.
And basically the government is doing the contrary of what it should do.
And this is why our numbers are going up and up and up the whole time, even though the whole media is running a huge campaign against us.
They call us all kinds of unnice things, stupid things.
We're extremists and what kind so ever.
But people realize that that's not true.
And basically the government is extremistic.
In all policy areas, what they address.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
But it's not just the media.
I mean, people should know, and you and your husband are two of the bravest individuals.
I remember Jason went over to visit with you.
Jason Miller, who's now Senior Vice President Trump, spent a lot of time with you guys.
The pressure you're under, not just from the media, but the government actually steps in and treats Alternative für Deutschland like it's some sort of bandit party, does it not?
unidentified
It does.
And it declares Even openly, that they do so.
We've got a secret service which is run by our political opponents and they're coming after us.
with these measures.
So they declare us to be, you know, the enemy of the Constitution.
And this is why, you know, they spy on our iPhones and whatsoever.
But you know what?
People are just bored with that.
People just don't, they're not so much interested in that any longer.
The Secret Service has lost its credibility.
And people realize that something has to change.
And there is a majority within the Well, I mean, former right-wing conservative liberal parties.
And the main problem, what we can see in Germany is that there is, there could be a reasonable majority centre-right.
But the CDU, the former Merkel's Chancellor's party, they are trying to, you know, govern again with the Greens.
So it's the conservatives who are not We are not trying to form a coalition or a government with us, but with the Greens or with the Left.
And so we are heading towards a very bad situation, which is fueling our numbers wider.
We are going up and they will go down.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
But this is the same thing, I would call the Christian Democrats, just like the Tory party in England, and just like the traditional Republican party in the United States.
They are essentially working for the Uniparty now, against a populist, whether that's Alternative for Deutschland, whether it's the Brexiteers and the Niger Farage group, or whether it's MAGA and the deplorables under President Trump.
In fact, I want to get to that point.
The Economist this week, I think the lead story, they're in shock.
They're clutching their pearls because they say there's the rise of this populist right.
And, of course, leading that article, of which The Economist is shocked and very nervous about, is Alternative for Deutschland and, of course, the Law and Justice Party that's going to have these elections in November in Poland.
Talk to us about what's happening.
Why across the continent And you're one of the leaders of this, but you see Salvini, you see Le Pen, you see a resurgence in the right, a new energy, a new urgency, and now you're having people, there's this report the other day that up to one-third, I think, of people actually are open to vote for people on the populist right, and as Ben just said, even in the Economist article, I think they said that 20% of adults, of citizens in countries will actually end up voting For the populist right.
What's the reality and why is the economist so shocked?
This is the worst thing that's happened since the rise of Hitler and Mussolini in the 1930s.
unidentified
I think what we can see is just basically, to make a long story short, people are just fed up with this leftist, ruckus, you know, anti-rational, stupid policy in all areas.
They're just tired.
They see that it doesn't function.
It's against humanity.
It's just insane.
And well, basically, it doesn't function.
And people, they do not trust in what they are told any longer.
And they can see with their own eyes that the country is no longer functioning.
You know what?
I was traveling with a train last week, what I never done for a very long time.
The train system in Germany basically is broken.
You cannot go any longer with a train and be sure you be there on time.
Our system is no longer able to keep the trains working correctly.
Very easy fix.
And people realize it.
And so they stop listening to what they are told they should do and they do what they think is correct.
And what is correct is the policy which has been offered by all those right-wing populistic parties in all over Europe and the ones in Germany to address this is the AfD.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Beatrice, there was a piece in Gateway Pundit this week.
You know, we had this global governance meeting at the UN on the 20th.
We were big in the United States of putting forward how we've got to stop this, how we've got to stop it through Congress.
I know you had a piece, and you talked about actually the Boehners that might be in back of all this, the WHO, all this.
Can you walk us through this piece?
Because I've got to tell you, it got a lot of coverage.
unidentified
here in the United States. Walk us through your piece about this WHO, global governance, and the billionaires in back of this. What we know is that the World Health Organization is now trying to, you know, come up with a policy change and they want to stop pandemics from spreading. So they want to take all the powers of the governments of the world to take the right
decisions to stop pandemics from growing in the world.
Which basically means they want to have the power which has been in the hands of the national governments and to take themselves the decision what to be done to fight some kind of pandemic.
And this is frightening because the World Health Organization has not been elected by anybody.
There is no kind of democratic legitimation of the World Health Organization.
It's just a combination, an organization set up by private organizations, funds like Rockefeller and Bill and Melinda Gates foundations and so forth in some countries, of course.
But it's not a democracy and they want to take the decisions and they want to oblige all member states to follow their rules.
I think that's dangerous and we have to talk about it and we have to make people aware that they are at the very moment preparing to taking basically the power of the parliaments of the world to the General Secretary of the World Health Organization
Which is this Ethiopian, you know, Marxistic-Leninistic putschist, the one who took the power into Ethiopia by a plot.
And this guy wants to govern and wants to decide what's going on in Germany and other member states.
I think that's frightening.
This is frightening.
And we have to, first of all, start to talk about it.
get to people's awareness that we have to very closely focus on what the WHO is planning, and then we have to go against it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Real quickly, we've got about a minute, and I want to hold you through the break, but the Christian Democrats, the Tories in London, and a lot of the Rhino Republicans here, have no problem with the loss of sovereignty.
Why is a party that's supposed to be center-right, like the Christian Democrats, why do they have no problem with this?
unidentified
I didn't get, sorry, I didn't get that question again, please.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
I tell you what, why don't we wait to the break because I want the answer to this.
The question is, and we've got to go to break, it seems like when you talk about these issues of sovereignty in these transnational organizations backed by billionaires like WHO, that the Christian Democrats in Germany, the Tories in England, and a lot of the traditional Rhino Republicans here have no problem with this.
It is always kind of the populist right that sits up and says, hang on, our sovereignty is absolutely critical.
I tell you what, we're going to go to a commercial break.
Why don't we hang on?
We have Beatrice von Storch, the deputy of Alternative for Deutschland, that's now the number two party in Germany, and that is causing an uproar.
The Economist this week has a huge story on the rise of the populist right in Europe.
And let's say, The Economist does not view that as a positive thing.
I've got Dave Walsh here who's going to tell us about John Kerry, all of these efforts at the UN, all these efforts in the Capitol to implement exactly what they've done in Germany here in the United States of America.
He's beavering away.
Of course, our own Ben Harnwell, we're going to have a deeper dive on this Ukraine situation and how it's coming apart here, the funding of it in the United States of America.
Short commercial break.
back in the war room in just a moment.
War Room Battlegrounds with Stephen K. Bannon So, Beatrice, why do the Christian Democrats in Germany, the Tories in England, and the Reiner Republicans in the United States, why are they not concerned about the sovereignty of these nations with these transnational organizations backed by billionaires that you, at the Alternative for Deutschland, are supposed to be this radical right party?
Why are the Christian Democrats not concerned about the sovereignty of the German people in the nation-state of Germany?
unidentified
I think there are different reasons.
I think some are just stupid.
I think some might make a lot of money out of it.
Who knows?
And the third thing is that they are not so much in favor of democracy.
I mean, we're very much in favor of democracy.
And we think it is very good to have sovereign nation states to take their own decision.
And if, you know, the people do not want the government anymore, they can vote for another one, which means they keep the sovereignty.
And some of those so-called conservatives, I don't know, I think they're not so much in favor of this idea.
And they just they're very happy to give away sovereignty and to have others to take unpopular decisions, maybe to fight pandemics like the way we have seen it with COVID.
So I think there are different explanations.
And some, I think, are just not reading the treaties.
They're just not aware of what is going on.
They're just walking around and they call it all a conspiracy theory, what they have not even read, what they might not have understood.
I don't know.
I think there are several reasons.
But I can tell you that there's One party in Germany, which is Alternative for Germany, which is very much aware of what is going on.
We do read what is planned by the World Health Organization.
We do understand what's going on.
We communicate it loud and clear and tell the people, be aware.
We cannot have this take of the power of the WHO.
And we address the problem.
All the problems we have addressed in the past, migration, inflation, economy, climate change, we told the people before what will happen if we follow the government.
Now we're doing the same thing with the WHO pandemic plans and I hope we succeed and we open the eyes of the people and we have to stop them because we are trying to keep our national sovereignty and our democratic state In the way it is.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Beatrice, how do people follow you?
What's your social media?
What's the website that people can go and find out more?
Because you're one of the leaders in this movement of sovereignty and self-determination of people, of citizens throughout the world, in our nation states.
Where do people go?
unidentified
I'm on Facebook, on Telegram, on Instagram.
Always with my name, Beatrix von Storch.
Thank you for asking.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Beatrice, thank you so much.
And great job in Germany.
We're so proud of the efforts.
Thank you.
We know you guys have been under tremendous pressure.
Honored to have you on.
unidentified
Thank you, Steve.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Thank you.
So, Dave Walsh, I want you to come in.
You warned us for two years that this was happening in Germany, and now you have one of the leaders of the opposition party that is growing leaps and bounds.
And why is it growing, Dave Walsh?
Exactly what you said was going to happen.
That people are just not going to sit there in an advanced industrial state.
And you're the first guy to say it.
You're saying, hey Steve, what they're actually doing is de-industrializing.
They're using their energy policy to do it, but they're going to de-industrialize.
Give me your thoughts on Beatrice and what's actually happening in Germany right now.
unidentified
Well, they announced in the second quarter negative growth of 0.2% GDP.
They're forecasting in the third quarter zero growth.
Consumption, personal consumption declined in the second quarter, which is remarkable in Germany.
The basic issue is that the major industrials, Bear AG, BASF, BMW, Siemens Energy, ThyssenKrupp, all heavily dependent on energy inputs, electricity specifically, to be competitive manufacturers, have systematically moved, and more now recently, a lot of announcements of moving programmatically to China, to India,
In the past, with South Carolina, North Carolina, Siemens Energy's biggest factories in Charlotte, BASF, BMW, out by Spartanburg, South Carolina, energy costs there, electricity, historically, six, seven, eight cents per kilowatt hour.
Germany, before the crisis, 45 cents, now double that.
So these companies that make heavy industrial products cannot make them in Germany.
The cost of the electricity inputs are simply too high.
And that drives unemployment in Germany.
It drives GDP decline.
And that's what they're seeing.
And that's why the rise of the AFD is occurring.
It's about people, and it's about the interest of people, not in industrial decline, such as John Kerry running around promoting on Morning Joe this morning, vis-a-vis his discussion about China.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
We don't have time to play the clip, but one of the points I'm trying to make is that Germany is just X amount of years ahead of us.
Kerry's plan, and this plan is so radical, And what upsets me so much on Capitol Hill is we are not having you having a more of an adult conversation here on War Room with you and with Ben and with Beatrice than you have up there.
This plan that Kerry is putting forth and that the private equity guys are talking about is it's in the heart of the Biden energy plan.
It's one of the reasons our economy is so screwed up.
The plan Kerry's talking about is actually as radical about deindustrialization as the plan in Germany.
Is it not, sir?
unidentified
It absolutely is.
We laid out before.
The forecast of rapid adoption of renewables in the U.S.
out to 2030 will cause the building of about 700,000 megawatts of solar and wind, which when you restate that, because of its part-time value, part-time energy value, wind about eight hours a day, solar on average about five hours a day, you're really talking about roughly 200 megawatts of electricity being, 200,000 megawatts being added, which with the 100,000 and coal shutdowns forecast to occur,
Brings us to only about 4.3% in electricity growth over a nine-year period, out to 2030.
So while we're talking about EV adoption, we're talking about gas to electricity conversion for heating in the Northeast, Midwest, the numbers don't work on this because these energy sources, be it solar and wind, and battery storage, a four-hour-a-day technology, they don't work 24 hours a day.
The net electricity capacity of this stuff at an enormous cost is far, far lower than conventional coal, gas and nuclear.
And no one's really talking about this, leading to the energy shortage we have in Texas, growing in MISO and PJM, coming to visit Florida soon, California for years now already, massive shortage of electrification because of over-adoption of part-time resources and the shuttering of 24-hour-a-day resources.
Being nuclear coal and now increasingly gas.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Like I said, we don't have time to play a clip, but Kerry is talking, he's pitching like we're falling behind China because they're becoming leaders in sustainable energy.
They're building more coal power plants than ever.
I want you to give the number.
Bloomberg just came out yesterday and said he's going to put a half a billion dollars, a half a billion dollars.
This is another guy worth $70 billion.
He's going to put a half a billion dollars of cash money to shut down every coal plant He misstated and conflated facts.
China is in its zeal to grow industrially and militarily, is growing energy resources of all types.
Is China really the leader in sustainable energy, or are they not stealing a march on us on coal production and using coal to produce cheap energy?
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He misstated and conflated facts.
China is in its zeal to grow industrially and militarily is growing energy resources of all types.
Number one, coal.
Between 2021 to 2026, their plan is to add 758 gigawatts of coal assets.
Yes, about 800 gigawatts of renewables.
But when you restate those numbers for their energy production value, China's adding that 700 gigawatts of coal and 244 of renewables.
When you restate the renewables from rating plate values down to their actual energy production.
So they're adding in a 65 year period out to 2026, 2.2 times more coal.
Last year, they announced plans to build two coal plants a week.
In 2023, they're building six out of seven coal plants in the world.
They're radically growing their coal infrastructure.
Today, they're 60% dependent on coal, which is a local indigenous resource, as they're announcing their need to be independent, to be self-sustaining within their own country.
They're about 3% gas-fired, so 63% fossil-powered at this time.
Only about 12% classic renewable solar and wind, about 13% hydro.
But what they're growing also, that the West is not doing, is a nuclear base.
57 nuclear reactors being built in the world, 21 of those in China, 37% of them.
And of those reactors, by the way, 44 of the 57 are being built in BRICS nations or in the Global South.
44 of 57 reactors in the world.
The United States and Western Europe are building exactly two.
Two.
Just to show you.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
They're buying more.
It's ridiculous.
They understand what it takes for economic growth.
And this is this whole thing.
They want this whole burden of this cult of climate change on the American people.
Hang on for one second Dave.
I want to bring in Ben.
Ben, you've been in the European Parliament, but when you see, and this is a question for you, these center-right Christian Democrats, Tories, These radical energy policies, the climate cold and also kind of ceding their sovereignty, their sovereignty to things like the WHO.
I mean, this was the whole Brexit fight was about to get England out of the EU.
Why is it that traditionally conservative governments and conservative governmental apparatuses are a huge part of the problem now?
And that's why you're seeing the growth of the populist right, sir.
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
Well, I'd divide that question into two quick parts.
The first part is, why is environmentalism a priority for the internationalist institutions?
And then I'd say, why is it affecting the centre-right political parties?
To answer the first part of that, it's because the environment is one of those things which, we're all nationalists here on this show, but the environment, to the extent that the environment legitimately can be a concern.
And I'm not talking about climate change or anything like that.
But the environment is something which requires a supranational coordination, collaboration.
And the international institutions buy into that and use that like shoehorn to justify basically taking over all areas of the economy, which is what they're now doing under the guise of man-made climate change.
Why the centre-right political parties are buying into that is Really, due to the collapse, I think, of the concept of freedom and liberty after, ironically enough, the fall of the Berlin Wall, which concentrated people's minds in the West exactly what they were fighting against, which is sort of state-run socialism, communism.
Once that wall fell, it's not that the world learned a lesson.
that state management of the economy fails, is that we, in the so-called free countries, we lost the focus on why we believe in liberty and personal responsibility so much.
And losing that focus, which is ironically something that the communists within our societies have never done, they never lost their sense of focus, they carried on just as if the whole of the fall of the Berlin Wall passed them by.
And therefore the centre-right political parties What kind of politician, knowing as we do that our politicians are sociopaths, what politician will decline the opportunity should they lose their seat at the national level to then to be bumped upstairs and earn sort of factors more in terms of the salaries and perks that are available at the supranational level at the European Parliament, for example?
What kind of person would do that?
You really need someone like Nigel Farage, who, when he was in the European Parliament, agitated to lose his own job via Britain's exit from the European Union.
We don't elect politicians Nigel Farage, Beatrix von Storch.
There are exceptions.
We have to accept some responsibility of ourselves that we're electing politicians, even In the centre-right, even in the economic nationalist right, we are electing representatives, and we're still doing it, who aren't really part of our movement and want to champion our causes.
And the moment they get to the capital, they don't have to sell out because they were never part of the deal.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Ben, real quickly, I'm going to get you back on hopefully tomorrow about Ukraine, if not on Monday, but is part of this the loss of faith in Western Europe, the Judeo-Christian West?
Because the moves on climate change are so radical and de-industrializing advanced nations.
Is this cult really replaced to the elites, the spirit of what the Catholic faith and the Christian faith provided for millennia?
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I'd say that's pretty much true.
You know, you mentioned before that I worked in the European Parliament, I did about sort of 15, 10, 15 years or so ago, and I remember there watching how the former Red Party, the Communist Party, the same politicians who had been there agitating sort of for communism in the 80s, They just switched from red to green.
And I remember thinking, you know, and they just carried on shamelessly.
They just changed their political affiliation.
They invented this new environmentalism concept.
And I remember thinking to myself, 15 years ago, people aren't this dumb.
They're never going to be able to get away with this transformation.
Obviously, they've just switched their shtick for political expediency.
But people are too astute.
Sadly, that's not true.
And what started off as an opportunity to get failed politicians fighting a failed ideology to keep them in the game, it has now become, it has grown very much to become, Steve, a false, synthetic, pseudo-religion.
That's absolutely true.
And of course, human nature being what it is seeing as we're created by God to love and adore and to worship God, Jesus Christ.
If you don't do that, if you don't have Jesus Christ at the center of your life, if you don't even have one of the other religions that are there throughout human history, you will believe something because we've been made by God to respond to an existential call.
And if you don't take one of the standard explanations that are there, you will believe anything.
And that ought to be the lesson of the 20th century.
I'm not sure how much people have learned those lessons, but that's absolutely the case.
Environmentalism today is a false religion.
It has its priests, it has its sacrifices, it has all the paraphernalia of a false religion.
You know, I would suggest that there is a sense of sulfur around this, simply because it is distracting people, instead of worshipping God, worshipping Jesus Christ, to be worshipping that which is creative, rather than that which is the creator.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Ben, what is your social media?
We'll look back getting you on tomorrow or Monday on the Ukraine situation.
A lot to go on there.
I know you're on top of it.
Where do people follow you on social media?
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
Thank you so much, Steve.
WarRoom.org is the first port of call, where myself, Jarl, and Natalie Winters, we're pushing out exclusive articles on that.
Please, if you haven't done it already, do subscribe for those newsletters.
On Twitter, you can either come to me, at Hanwell, and there's my name there at the bottom, my surname, Hanwell, that's the profile name, or, you know, you could even sort of check me out, because Stephen K. Bannon does repost me occasionally on his site, go to, at Steve Bannon, and I'll also, and you'll find my posts there as well.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
The reason I do it, I'm quite jealous that his has a lot more engagement than mine.
I think it's part of the things of him reading all the comments and engaging with the audience.
Ben, great job.
Honored to have you on here.
Thank you for coming in from Rome.
Dave Walsh, I'm going to have you back on next.
We've got to go through what Kerry did.
You nailed this.
Germany, because of the embrace by the elite of this dangerous cult, It's at DaveWalshEnergy on Getter and TruthSocial the same.
based upon their energy policy.
And what you're seeing now is a revolt of the German people against it, just like you're seeing a revolt of the American people against what's happening here.
But the plans of carrying these guys, I think, are actually more radical than the Germans.
Where do people go to your social media, Dave, to keep up with you?
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It's at DaveWalshEnergy on Getter and TruthSocial the same.
Thank you, Steve.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
You've done an amazing job, Dave, of showing us what the future is going to be.
Quite frankly, when you first came out a couple of years ago, when you first started talking about this, I think a lot of people were thinking, given how precise and engineering oriented the Germans are, that would never happen.
It's happened exactly like you said it was going to happen.
So thank you very much.
unidentified
Well, let's move on to the UK.
BP is advancing their relationship with Sonatrach in Algeria to bring pipeline gas into Western Europe to offset the shortage from the Russian stoppage.
Unbelievable.
This is why I've always been an Irish Republican.
Dave Walsh, thank you very much.
of the elitist and monarchy supported government in the UK, who's used as a poster child, King Charles, for the same issues on decarbonization.
It's very sad.
It's incredibly sad.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Unbelievable.
This is why I've always been an Irish Republican.
Dave Walsh, thank you very much.
Great analysis.
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Bye bye.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
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You are at the head of the table.
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We got to get you fully up to speed on everything about capital markets.
Great way to start is go to birchgold.com slash Bannon.
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Draw down the fourth free episode and also talk to Philip Patrick and the team at Birch Gold about what Dave Walsh is saying.
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Ask the team at Birch Gold why.
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Do not miss it.
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