July 28, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
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Because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| President Trump got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
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MAGA Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved! | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bamm. | ||
| Take me inside what the considerations and what the window might be for Jack Smith. | ||
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Thanks. | |
| Yeah, well, anytime you've got a high profile case, even, you know, not involving anywhere nearly as significant, any person nearly as sort of significant in the public's mind as a former president, there's always security concerns. | ||
| Because there could be crowds coming to the courthouse. | ||
| And of course, the D.C. | ||
| courthouse has seen many high-profile cases over the years and has been the situs of almost every one of the January 6th prosecutions. | ||
| So part of it is just to make sure that you've got proper security, not necessarily always planning for violence, but just crowd control, just plain old crowd control. | ||
| Because there will be a lot of people, particularly with a case like this, there'll be media, Who are trying to get their own access as well as members of the public. | ||
| But I think you layer on top of that the type of rhetoric, you know, suggestions of violence and protest and worse things that we've talked about on your show even earlier this week. | ||
| We have people like Peter Navarro out there and others that are really trying to agitate people, trying to work them up to Maybe engage in some sort of violent protest. | ||
| Now, we know that statements like that were made before District Attorney Alvin Bragg brought his case in Manhattan, and the turnout was, you know, meh. | ||
| We know that in Florida, similarly, there were kind of calls for protest, protest, protest. | ||
| And again, there were a lot of people out there, but it was not violent at all. | ||
| It was entirely peaceful. | ||
| I do think a lot of people, even Donald Trump supporters, even those who may think that this is not a warranted prosecution, are very concerned about what they've seen happen post-January 6th. | ||
| They're concerned about not doing something that could cause them to incur criminal liability in order to sort of please Donald Trump, because they've seen what happened. | ||
| More than a thousand people who followed Donald Trump's wishes on January 6th are now facing or have faced or have been convicted already of criminal charges. | ||
| So notwithstanding that, I think that a lot of people are probably deterred from engaging in violence. | ||
| As law enforcement, you have to prepare for the worst. | ||
| And be happily surprised at the best. | ||
| In terms of Bonnie Willis, we've seen that today there's security barricades, it looks like, going up around the courthouse there. | ||
| And so, you know, it wouldn't surprise me if at this point when the timing is getting the way it is, if there isn't some coordination, if nothing else, between courthouses about what are you doing, what are you expecting, and let's make sure we're in communication with each other. | ||
| Here we are back in Washington. | ||
| I just wanted to report that yesterday I co-sponsored legislation with Matt Gaetz to stop the weaponization of our government by defunding Jack Smith, special counsel, who's trying to pursue yet another witch hunt against President Trump. | ||
| The Department of Injustice is out of control. | ||
| They're demonstrating the weaponization of our government against citizens, against the president, and quite frankly, equal justice under the law cannot be a slogan. | ||
| It's got to be reality. | ||
| And so that's why we're going to go ahead and defund this special counsel. | ||
| It's Thursday, 27 July, Year of the Lord 2023. | ||
| We want to start with Congressman Matt Rosendale. | ||
| Congressman, give us the latest state of play from what you're hearing and then what you and Gates and others are working on. | ||
| Congressman Burleson's got an interesting thing about all the conflicts of interest of Jack Smith. | ||
| Is this a rearguard action? | ||
| Too little, too late? | ||
| Or are we on top of things? | ||
| It's late, but it's not too late in the game, Steve. | ||
| Right now, actually, it sort of comes together at a good time because we are going through the appropriations process. | ||
| We are developing all the appropriations bills, and it is a perfect time for us to be able to go in and remove this funding from the Department of Injustice, as they have commonly become known as around Washington, D.C. | ||
| We've got a major problem with Jack Smith. | ||
| He is pursuing yet another investigation of President Trump that is completely unwarranted. | ||
| You know, it absolutely amazes me. | ||
| Here we've got the only person, I mean, I just listened to the clips that you had, these people talking about security and making sure that we have additional security around courthouses and things like that. | ||
| President Trump is the only person who tried to bring in additional National Guard troops around the Capitol because he knew there was going to be extra people. | ||
| Not that anybody was going to get out of hand, but as the Speaker said, you bring additional people to manage the crowds. | ||
| The only thing we've seen come out of the Department of Justice is additional surveillance of people that want to utilize their rights of free speech. | ||
| Meanwhile, after President Trump offered up that additional security, We all know now that Nancy Pelosi denied it. | ||
| We know that Mayor Bowser denied it. | ||
| They turned it away. | ||
| He's the only one who was trying to make sure that we had order and civility around the Capitol on that day. | ||
| And now they're going to investigate him? | ||
| It's just, it's bizarre. | ||
| Meanwhile, we look back at the, I thought it was very interesting. | ||
| We look back at the Dobbs v. Jackson case, okay, when the Supreme Court Uh, was getting ready to roll out that decision. | ||
| And was any kind of additional security provided around the justices' homes or around when they went to work? | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| And we saw not only people that were violent protesters, we actually had an assassin that was picked up that was threatening to kill one of the justices. | ||
| This is, this is terrible. | ||
| It's another unwarranted investigation of the president. | ||
| And so this is a tool that we can use to restore justice to America. | ||
| The Daily Mail has an absolute brutal story. | ||
| And remember, that's not a MAGA newspaper at all, the biggest newspaper really in the world. | ||
| They have a brutal story as their lead about how Hunter Biden's, believe it or not, their attorney actually tried to slide into the documents Given him blanket immunity, he would never be investigated, never be questioned for anything else when that blew up yesterday. | ||
| But we know that DOJ tried to slip in something that was unconstitutional. | ||
| This was a progressive liberal judge that had to call it out. | ||
| What's your assessment of DOJ's performance in this Hunter Biden investigation? | ||
| Oh, it's been terrible. | ||
| And again, now this is where we see the two-tiered system on full display, Steve. | ||
| And that is why the American people are very upset. | ||
| And while Congress investigates and exposes and provides oversight, we don't get to charge and prosecute. | ||
| We do respect the different branches of government, and that is up to the Department of Justice to charge and to prosecute. | ||
| But if they're not going to, or if they're going to utilize different methods for some people than they are for others, then the only way to change that is to change the leadership, And to do it through the financing of the agency. | ||
| And that's where Congress does have, as we always hear, the power of the purse string. | ||
| Still has to go over to the United States Senate to make sure that they will implement the ideas and the concepts, policies and the budgets that we send over. | ||
| But we can utilize the power of the purse string to get rid of the bad actors. | ||
| And I really think that that is what we need to do. | ||
| There's just too many of them that Are not acting in the best interest of this country and certainly not honoring their oath of office. | ||
| Where's the conference? | ||
| Where's the conferences head on? | ||
| You know, we had Newt Gingrich come out and he's saying, hey, just just focus on Biden. | ||
| There's enough to the beginning inquiry. | ||
| We had Kash Patel in studio this morning. | ||
| He says, no, no, you want to go after Ray and Garland because it's in DOJ and FBI. | ||
| You're going to get all the rot and all the investigations and you'll get something easily done. | ||
| You guys had a conference meeting today. | ||
| You wrap up work tonight and people probably taken off tomorrow and not to come back till September. | ||
| So where is the conference stand right now on these impeachment inquiries? | ||
| Look, we had a conversation last night. | ||
| I've been meeting with several of the Senators to find out where they are. | ||
| Many of us, there's about a half a dozen of us House members and several of the Senators. | ||
| We are trying to meet on a weekly basis and we had this discussion and what we're trying to do is count votes and to figure out do we have enough votes to begin these impeachment inquiries on people like Christopher Wray, like Secretary Mayorkas because they are causing great damage not only | ||
| to the to our country because of the actions that they're taking, but they're causing great harm to our country, too, because of the loss of confidence in the institutions that people are beginning to to have because they witness these terrible things that are going on. | ||
| That's what bothers me as much as anything. | ||
| I mean, when I look at the southern border, we know that we're talking about nearly six million people that have come into the country illegally that have had encounters with law enforcement. | ||
| We've got another million and a half that have not had encounters. | ||
| That's the getaways that we always hear about. | ||
| We have no idea how those people are. | ||
| And then when we see the documents that have been falsified, the FISA court system that has been so abused, and the FBI conducting surveillance on American people wrongfully, and then bringing charges against people wrongfully, it's disturbing. | ||
| Let's go to Spenny. | ||
| You were one of the magnificent six. | ||
| You were one of the hardest core of all the holdouts. | ||
| You've been at the tip of the spear here about the appropriations process. | ||
| You guys did get, I think, veterans and military construction passed, but that's it. | ||
| And this was looked at as a big victory for the hardcore MAGA. | ||
| Walk us through what's going to go on, because haven't we run out of time here? | ||
| So here's where we're going to be. | ||
| Now we have 11 more of these appropriation bills that need to get approved. | ||
| And, you know, what did Reagan say? | ||
| Trust but verify. | ||
| That's what we're going to do. | ||
| We made an agreement that we wanted to have a freeze in the amount of spending that was going to take place. | ||
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And leadership had gone along with us. | |
| And quite frankly, the conference went along with us, Steve. | ||
| Back when we passed, when we actually passed the first debt ceiling package, With Republicans, with 218 Republicans, that we were going to freeze the non-defense discretionary spending at the 20, basically what is the 2019 levels, which is $1.471 trillion. | ||
| And so we have 11 more appropriation bills. | ||
| We have targets, target values on each one of those bills. | ||
| And if leadership tries to bring a bill forward. | ||
| Hold the system up. | ||
| appropriations out to the floor that doesn't meet one of those targets for those bills, then basically we're going to have to hold the system up, hold the process up until we can see that that bill or bring another one on that shows it's going to be reduced more in order to compensate for that so that we know we're going to hit that target of the $1.471 trillion on non-defense discretionary spending. | ||
| And we are going to be I know that I'm going to be very, very stubborn, if you will, about about holding that that that level of spending. | ||
| Do you think Kevin McCarthy and leadership have the guts right now? | ||
| Because September 30th, this is going to be on us as soon as you guys get back. | ||
| Are they going to force Biden to shut down the government or are we going to get a continuing resolution, which is, you know, the road to perdition? | ||
| It is the road to perdition. | ||
| And that one I can't quite answer yet. | ||
| Here's what I will tell you to sum it up for the American people, though. | ||
| Here's the problem we're facing. | ||
| President Biden wants to spend six point nine trillion dollars. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Over the next year, just take all the zeros off of it. | ||
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6.9. | |
| The more moderate Republicans within the conference want to spend 6.8 trillion. | ||
| So about a hundred billion dollars less. | ||
| And all we are trying to do, the conservatives within the conference are trying to get down to 6.7. | ||
| My gosh, we're only going to bring in, Steve, $5 trillion worth of revenue if everything goes really, really good. | ||
| And you're telling me we can't find $100 billion of reductions in spending over above what they've already tried to do out of $6.8 trillion? | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| We proposed, myself, Andy Biggs, we got together, we proposed that much reductions in spending 90 days ago. | ||
| No, it's absolutely. | ||
| You guys have been fighting the good fight. | ||
| What's your social media? | ||
| How do people follow you, particularly over the next couple of weeks during break? | ||
| I know a lot of activity is going to be going on. | ||
| Yeah, give us messages, folks, at Rep Rosendale. | ||
| Follow me at Rep Rosendale. | ||
| You can follow all my platforms at Rep Rosendale. | ||
| We're going to be around the state for the next four weeks. | ||
| We're going to be visiting a lot of my constituents and we're going to be doing the good work for the people. | ||
| Congressman, thank you very much for joining us. | ||
| You're a fighter, so fight on. | ||
| said gorka next in the world and has happened yet to me but what are you hearing from people I know you're talking to a lot of people about what that looks like, if and when there is one. | ||
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So let's first say if, because we don't know yet, but the target letter certainly takes us there. | |
| So I've spoken to a number of former Justice Department sources who have been following the case very closely, and this is their, I think, educated Look at what to expect. | ||
| And they said, first of all, expect the indictment if it comes to be, as one said, the mother of all speaking indictments. | ||
| They expect it to be extensive, great detail. | ||
| They want to see who else is going to be named in this indictment. | ||
| Are we going to have unindicted co-conspirators? | ||
| Can we tell whether people have been cooperating Who were in Trump's inner circle. | ||
| How does Mark Meadows fit into this case? | ||
| His former White House chief of staff who was in the room and there for for so much of it. | ||
| And then the last thing they've said, and they've been saying this repeatedly since the Target letter, They expect this case to be not just very strong, but to be what they say is beyond a reasonable doubt plus. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because it's the former president of the United States. | ||
| Okay, welcome back. | ||
| Dr. Seb Gorka, your thoughts, analysis, and observations, sir. | ||
| I just wrote a piece on American injustice for the great people at AMAC on all of this. | ||
| My reaction to what happened in Wilmington yesterday. | ||
| The idea that the most politically persecuted man in American history is now... Oh my gosh, you guys are good. | ||
| You guys are good. | ||
| The most politically persecuted man in history is now expecting another indictment. | ||
| His attorneys were with the DOJ today, so it could drop today, could drop tomorrow morning. | ||
| And Hunter Biden, Hunter Biden's lawyers are acting in conjunction with the DOJ like they're one big defense team. | ||
| His lawyers ring up the court, impersonating a congressional staffer to try and get an 800-page amicus brief sealed from the docket so nobody knows what Hunter actually did. | ||
| And then a plea deal which gives him universal immunity from prosecution against any other charge. | ||
| Steve, we have our work cut out. | ||
| Somebody, a wise person said on my show, stop using the phrase two-tiered justice system because once you've got more than one tier, there is no justice system. | ||
| I never thought I'd say this as the child of those who literally escaped a communist dictatorship. | ||
| My father liberated from a communist political prison. | ||
| We have a political police force in America. | ||
| It's run by the DOJ. | ||
| It's called the FBI. | ||
| And now the IRS. | ||
| And sadly, Steve, you remember what it was like in the White House. | ||
| I loved the Secret Service guys, especially the uniformed officers, Captain Mark on the front desk. | ||
| We salute you. | ||
| But the fact that the Secret Service not only... | ||
| We know whose bag of coke it is. | ||
| They shut down the investigation. | ||
| They say they can't find it in the most secure building in the world. | ||
| Not only that, if you read it, I've got it here, the details of the plea deal with Hunter Biden. | ||
| The U.S. | ||
| Secret Service goes and cleans up the mess, goes to the FFL, the federally licensed firearm dealer, to try and get the forms For Hunter Biden's illegal handgun purchase. | ||
| Steve, what is the Secret Service doing cleaning up the felonies of the President's son? | ||
| Here's what I get the Daily Mail, as you know, not a mag of paper, but they put up tons of great stories. | ||
| The lead story, the lead story, Seb, exclusive. | ||
| And the headline is not so fast boys. | ||
| Hunter Biden's full plea deal transcript and how this sneaky lawyers tried to hide clause giving him blanket immunity. | ||
| in a crazy unprecedented tactic until the female progressive judge smelled a rat and called her. | ||
| DOJ had to know about that and they also had to know and they had to agree to this unconstitutional insertion of the judge to be the referee because they feared President Trump come back. Have you ever seen anything in your life like the fiasco that was in Delaware yesterday, sir? | ||
| Never, never. I... | ||
| I had Jesse Binal on previously today on my show. | ||
| I had Jody Jennever on Newsmax yesterday. | ||
| I mean, you got to read the transcripts of what happened in the courtroom, how they actually said, well, I guess we should just rip up the plea deal. | ||
| Yeah, you should rip it up. | ||
| And the judge, who, by the way, let's be clear here, I'm not asserting at all that she's any kind of MAGA loyalist, but this is a lifetime appointment. | ||
| And once you're a federal judge, You don't have to be political, but if they try and screw with you, whoever they are, they may bring down the hammers of hell on you simply because you're screwing with a federal judge. | ||
| She actually used the phrase, Steve, what do you expect me to do? | ||
| Rubber stamp this deal? | ||
| It got super spicy. | ||
| And let's be clear. | ||
| This is the, this is the, I love, you know, you told me the phrase buried lead when I was your editor at Breitbart. | ||
| Here we have the original plea deal. | ||
| It's in my hands. | ||
| It was sent to me late last night. | ||
| This is Hunter Biden's original plea deal. | ||
| And it's interesting because the reports by Daily Mail and others were that Hunter Biden was going to walk into the court in Wilmington and plead not guilty, which is really interesting because line one, The defendant waives any challenge to the information based on venue and agrees to plead guilty. | ||
| And here's the, just in case you missed that, line one, here's line four. | ||
| The defendant is pleading guilty to counts one and two because he is in fact guilty. | ||
| So, I thought he was innocent. | ||
| I thought Joe Biden told us that his son has never done anything wrong. | ||
| I don't want to get lost in the weeds. | ||
| This stuff is fun to report and break news on. | ||
| But, you know, Natalie Winters said this to me, and she's absolutely right, your co-host. | ||
| We shouldn't be talking about any of this. | ||
| $1.2 million of unpaid taxes, a felony gun purchase. | ||
| The real issue is China If you read the plea deal, it lists all the monies accrued to this man by the Chinese clients. | ||
| I'll read one of them just to get the conspiracy theorists really excited. | ||
| One of the Chinese payments to Hunter Biden was for the sum, you'll love this, of $666,666. | ||
| Symbolism anyone? | ||
| Let me just read that again. | ||
| One of the companies... Nothing symbolic there. | ||
| Oh my God, hold it. | ||
| I'm rolling now, baby. | ||
| Only in the war room. | ||
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Go ahead. | |
| Go ahead. | ||
| Hey, come on. | ||
| You're a good macro-snappy Catholic like me. | ||
| You gotta do it. | ||
| You gotta do it. | ||
| Look, I don't want people to think I'm making this up. | ||
| This is the court document. | ||
| This is the plea deal. | ||
| And they list the monies made. | ||
| Look, I'm just going to give you a couple of them. | ||
| $664,000 from a Chinese infrastructure investment company, because Hunt is such an expert on Chinese infrastructure. | ||
| Then he's got a Ukrainian energy company sends him half a million dollars. | ||
| $70,000 from a Romanian business. | ||
| And then from the CEO of a Chinese business conglomerate. | ||
| Doesn't that sound oh-so-western? | ||
| All those Chinese business conglomerates for $666,666. | ||
| Guys, do the homework. | ||
| Read the documents. | ||
| The amicus brief from Heritage, 800-page amicus brief. | ||
| My engineer is printing it now because this is the amicus brief that they lied to stop being put on the docket impersonating a Senate staffer. | ||
| I'm going to read it so we can share it with you and your viewers, but this is what we have to get to the bottom of. | ||
| Seb, real quickly, because I know you've got to bounce, about the impeachment inquiries. | ||
| Newt Gingrich says, focus on Biden, let's get rolling on an inquiry, get the ball rolling. | ||
| Cash was in here today saying, no, no, let's take Wray and Garland, because that's where the target-rich environment is. | ||
| Do you think it was smart for them to leave town without initiating this? | ||
| And where would Seb Gorka put the center of gravity of his investigation, sir? | ||
| Look, I would be very weary, leery of questioning Cash because he's such an expert and former assistant director of national intelligence. | ||
| But I think he'd agree with me that these people, I mean, look, look at Ray, look at Garland. | ||
| They're nobodies. | ||
| They're literal meat puppets. | ||
| These people are nothing. | ||
| They're amoeba. | ||
| The real, the real driving force is the level behind them. | ||
| It's the Lisa Monacos. | ||
| It's the Weissmans. | ||
| It's the old Obama crew. | ||
| So, yeah, impeach them all. | ||
| Mayorkas is the most evil bastard of a lot of them. | ||
| But it's got to be an impeachment that gets them in the table in front of the investigating committee, but then uses that to leverage what? | ||
| The investigation and the disclosures about the people who are really running Biden, right? | ||
| It's Rice. | ||
| It's Monaco. | ||
| These are the people who we really have to get neutralized through some kind of process in Congress. | ||
| So yeah, it's just Kevin, Kevin, just start because America wants it. | ||
| America needs it. | ||
| And let's get to the real drivers who are the second tier ideologues. | ||
| Do you agree, Steve? | ||
| Yeah, I love it. | ||
| Dr. Gorka, where do people get all your sage advice? | ||
| Where are the content coordinates, sir? | ||
| All right, we post everything on all the regular social media sites. | ||
| I don't know whether it's ZX or whatever. | ||
| True Social, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Parlor Getter, Telegram, and then my website, SebGorka.com. | ||
| And the substack for the exclusive analysis, like the one I just mentioned on what happened yesterday in Wilmington, is the substack. | ||
| So that's Sebastian Gorka, one word, sebastiangorka.substack.com. | ||
| We've got to do a longer one of these next time, Steve. | ||
| Good, we'll do a couple seconds. | ||
| By the way, I thank my crack staff for being all over Dr. Gorka's in Denver, for being all over Dr. Gorka's substack and having that article up there. | ||
| I'm impressed. | ||
| I'm impressed. | ||
| They're a great crew and they love your content. | ||
| More importantly, Dr. Gorka, thank you so much. | ||
| God bless. | ||
| Thank you, Steve. | ||
| Sev Gorka, deputy strategist over in the Trump White House, will be a big player in the second term. | ||
| In a second term there shall be, we don't care what they're trying to do to try to use lawfare to stop the real president. | ||
| Okay, short commercial break. | ||
| Dr. Robert Malone. | ||
| has left the capital and is going to be in the house next in the war room. | ||
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It's all started, everything's begun, and you are over, cause we're taking down the CCP. | |
| Spread the word all through Hong Kong, we will fight till they're all gone, we rejoice when there's no more, let's take down the CCP. | ||
| Day of all our... | ||
| Disney sent an email to all employees stating that quote, getting the vaccine is a personal decision for each of us. | ||
| That position would prove temporary. | ||
| A few months later, I received a notice from ESPN that effective August 1st, 2021, a COVID vaccine would be required to attend all remote events. | ||
| This includes all games and remote studio shows. | ||
| There would be absolutely no exemptions to this rule. | ||
| Okay, this is great. | ||
| We're going to play more of this in the six o'clock hour because I've got Dr. Robert Malone here. | ||
| about this hearing today. | ||
| This is about the facts. | ||
| You've been at the cutting edge of this. | ||
| Where do we stand on all this right now? | ||
| Particularly, are you comfortable and happy that this is now starting to get at least somewhat a hearing on Capitol Hill and some traction or not enough yet? | ||
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That is a pretty squishy statement. | |
| Am I happy? | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| There's so much that's gone on. | ||
| I'm glad to hear this push. | ||
| To try to get some legal movement on Tony Fauci and the gain of function and the lying to Congress. | ||
| I mean, you, if anybody, should understand if they're going to hold you and Peter to this standard, then they sure as heck ought to hold Tony Fauci to that standard at a minimum. | ||
| The crimes that have been done here in terms of lying to Congress are clear. | ||
| Are there crimes beyond the perjury in lying to Congress? | ||
| Do you think they're underlying crimes that they were trying to hide? | ||
| Bobby Kennedy thinks so. | ||
| I mean, he's running for president. | ||
| He's pretty up front that he thinks Fauci and a whole group of guys. | ||
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So the version of the story that I got and I'm getting from people on the inside of the agency is that, in fact, what transpired was that we lost all of our HUMINT in PRC. | |
| There was a leak. | ||
| They were all killed. | ||
| There was a quid pro quo. | ||
| It's sooner than that. | ||
| There was a quid pro quo. | ||
| I mean, I've spoken to people that had their contacts killed recently. | ||
| There was a quid pro quo and we transferred technology, we transferred funding. | ||
| We enabled the research and the quid pro quo was that we would have some visibility on what was going on inside the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the PRC, you know, CCP bio-warfare research program. | ||
| And so with that comes the burden that all of this has got deep involvement of the United States. | ||
| I mean we had these statements from Tony Fauci and his colleagues that We needed to protect the CCP. | ||
| That was part of the logic initially in the cover-up of what went down. | ||
| So at a time when the federal government policy was that we were not supposed to have gain-of-function research, clearly we had gain-of-function research. | ||
| Clearly the intelligence community is at the center of all of this. | ||
| That's the big shocking lesson for me. | ||
| I've been dragged into that realization. | ||
| I haven't wanted to believe That the United States intelligence community was at the center of this whole COVID crisis. | ||
| But I've come to the conclusion that that is the case, that the US intelligence community, working together with the CCP, we're at the center of this entire affair. | ||
| Remember that... I'm guessing you didn't drop any bombs this afternoon on the show. | ||
| Hang on, slow down. | ||
| Hit rewind and give me that again. | ||
| I understand people should know in the The struggle between the CCP and the US a number of years ago, over a decade ago, all 25 of the senior human intelligence officers or agents we had were all systematically eliminated within a period of about six months. | ||
| Clearly came from a mole inside the intelligence community and just like Angleton went for 25 years looking for the mole that turned out to be both Hanson and Aldridge back in the 80s with the Soviets but he never found them. | ||
| It all came out later. | ||
| They've been looking for this. | ||
| But you're saying that the intelligence community made an open agreement since we had no human intelligence in order to have eyes and ears in the programs agreed to technology transfers that would be over and above what we normally do. | ||
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Through EcoHealth Alliance and funding. | |
| In exchange for limited access to situational awareness of ongoing R&D. | ||
| And that resulted, near as I can reconstruct, it resulted in the creation of a series of mutant clones. | ||
| Those mutants were isolated, were in the process of being characterized at WIV. | ||
| Remember, Boncel helped build the WIV. | ||
| I mean, we were all over that facility. | ||
| This is speculation, but it's informed speculation. | ||
| The French were actually in charge of building the Level 4 facility because the CCP and no one in China had anywhere near the capacity to build it. | ||
| There may have been other companies, but I thought the French were actually designated. | ||
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You know more about this than I do. | |
| I think the French were. | ||
| And then they were dialed out. | ||
| They were supposed to also have boards of directors and be able to oversee things, and they were shown the door right away. | ||
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So mutants were created. | |
| They were in the process of being characterized. | ||
| It appears that there was some event that resulted in infection of human personnel within the WIV. | ||
| Those are the initial index cases. | ||
| They occurred sometime around November 2019. | ||
| Then we had CCP staff move in, eliminate all those viral isolates and the associated records. | ||
| And the cascade of events came on. | ||
| So no genomic record of anything? | ||
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And paper records of whatever was being done in terms of R&D. | |
| In the U.S. | ||
| government, you're saying the intelligence community knew all of this beginning in November? | ||
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That's what I'm hearing. | |
| I mean, we're not on air right now. | ||
| Yes, we are. | ||
| Yes, we're live nationwide. | ||
| When is this all going to come out? | ||
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Hopefully it will eventually come out in hearings, but a lot of this is going to be treated as confidential information. | |
| I've also heard that, for instance, Gottlieb directly intervened in the decision of the government to switch from Moderna to Pfizer. | ||
| What do you mean by that? | ||
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Gottlieb has intel ties. | |
| He is involved in advisory committees within the CIA. | ||
| And apparently he went into the CIA, interacted, and there was a switch in national policy within 24 hours in terms of the emphasis on which vaccine to promote. | ||
| Did Tony Fauci, as being on the task force that was chaired by then-Vice President Pence, is there any record or anything that Tony Fauci informed anybody in the West Wing? | ||
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Was this all kept from... You would know more about that than me. | |
| I'm not aware of any such record. | ||
| of him notifying anybody. | ||
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Yeah, no, there was this instead there was a concerted effort including the use of burner phones to try to hide exactly what transpired. | |
| And furthermore, my situational awareness is that he directly sought to intervene and did intervene with at least one of the key research groups that was assigned within the CIA to determine whether or not this was of laboratory origin. | ||
| So he intervened To dissuade them from that conclusion. | ||
| Am I to surmise from what you're saying? | ||
| And then we talk about, and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. | ||
| talks about these different verticals of like the military-industrial complex, the bio-pharma. | ||
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And now we have the censorship-industrial complex. | |
| And your book, Lies My Government Told Me, what connects this and informs it all is the intelligence apparatus. | ||
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That's my belief. | |
| I've reluctantly come to that conclusion. | ||
| Why reluctantly? | ||
| And what information and data drove you there? | ||
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Because once upon a time I believed we were the good guys. | |
| Once upon a time, I believe this was a CCP operation. | ||
| Once upon a time, I thought that it must be some other entity that was the hidden hand behind this. | ||
| What I've learned after, you know, this whole journey is from friends that would know. | ||
| A strong case could be made that the CIA is the most powerful organization in the world right now, and it's functionally rogue. | ||
| What we have is a bunch of operational units within the CIA that are seeking to maximize their capital, their resources within their assigned mission space. | ||
| I think a case can be made that part of what's been going on here is a failure of leadership and control. | ||
| That you've had these functional groups that are seeking to enhance their power base and their wealth, their resource base, that have grown beyond their mission, really, it's mission creep. | ||
| I want to hit, we're going to, Rob Sigg and the team in Denver have agreed, we're going to blow the break because we've only got Dr. Mullen for a certain amount of time, so we're going to continue on. | ||
| I want to hit rewind for a second, because I want you just to repeat that, and I'm going to connect it with something that came, that's come out of James Risen. | ||
| The former New York Times Pulitzer Prize winner who wrote this amazing book on Frank Church and the church community. | ||
| But talk about again the CIA's most powerful and they're made up of a coalition of rogue elements. | ||
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Yeah, but what I understand is the agency is absolutely at this point in time the most powerful organization in the world. | |
| It is largely autonomous as we've heard in so many different ways and the latest was of course the testimony regarding the UAPs. | ||
| Okay, we've got these multiple lines of evidence that the CIA is largely comprised of functional groups that have assigned mission space that operate in kind of an entrepreneurial way. | ||
| to capture capital and to operate within their assigned mission space relatively autonomously under guidance of their internal civilian command. | ||
| And those administrators seek to maximize power, scope, and capital resources that they can capture. | ||
| And with the COVID crisis, and the run-up in the biodefense industry, etc. | ||
| They've had a great opportunity to grab at a whole new pile of capital which they've used to expand their missions. This is classic mission creep. | ||
| And if you look at every aspect of it, if you look at the censorship industrial complex, intelligence agencies infect the the entire thing in fact probably run most of it the same with the military industrial complex and I completely agree now you're saying with the by what we call the bio pharma pharmaceutical industrial complex that the intelligence apparatus and the fact that Scott Gottlieb who is a board of director member of Pfizer in addition to being former head of a Trump appointee for FDA | ||
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um is is been a CNBC regular right Yeah, right. | |
| And we also know he was directly interacting with Twitter and other social media to advocate for censorship of individuals. | ||
| My hearing is that he is intimately involved in the intelligence community, on top of everything else. | ||
| I want to go back to your theory of the case of the functional groups, and I want to tie it back to James Risen, who's no Trump fan, hates Trump. | ||
| But he's written a number of books about the intelligence apparatus, about the intelligence apparatus, how overwhelming it's getting, and this guy's a progressive, how overwhelming it's getting in American political and governmental life. | ||
| He wrote a book, the definitive kind of biography of the church committee, came out earlier this summer called The Last Honest Man. | ||
| He has a part in there about the formation of the committee. | ||
| The church was going to take one part of it and they brought in Gary Hart as a brand new senator who was very telegenic, had a strong interest in this, was quite close to the Kennedy family. | ||
| Uh, and they made him the contact for the CIA to go see Colby and Helms and all these guys and convince them that we really need you guys to come forward. | ||
| We're going to need you to testify. | ||
| We're going to need you and he would work them. | ||
| And these guys, uh, turned him over to James Angleton, the famous mole hunter, the head of counter terror, the head of counter intelligence. | ||
| for thirty years at the CIA. | ||
| The single most powerful person that ran the day-to-day operations of the CIA. | ||
| Angleton's legendary. | ||
| Hart goes, I think, to the Army-Navy Club for dinner with Angleton. | ||
| Several hour dinner. | ||
| And he's talking, and finally Hart works up enough courage to say, you know, Mr. Angleton, I don't know how to say this, but Did the CIA have anything to do, and up until now, Angleton's in very detail about how the CIA works and the functional groups, how it works. | ||
| And he says, did the CIA have anything to do with the assassination of President Kennedy? | ||
| And Angleton pauses and goes to Hart and says, you were a theology major, correct? | ||
| You went to theology? | ||
| He says, yes, sir. | ||
| He said, well, this is the only way you should think about it. | ||
| In my father's house, there are many mansions. | ||
| He said he just ran cold. | ||
| That Angleton had essentially told him what you just said. | ||
| That even Angleton Who had total control of counterintelligence and was the famous guy, and I think De Niro played him in a movie they made later for television, a multi-part series. | ||
| He was the guy that was obsessed about finding who the mole was that turned over their agents to the KGB, that turned out later as a combination, I think, of Hanson and Aldridge had done it. | ||
| But that even he, at the pinnacle of power in the CIA, told Hart, I don't have control of the whole thing. | ||
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There's so much compartmentalization. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| This is why we'll have more of it tomorrow. | ||
| By the way, Alex Jones is going to join us tomorrow. | ||
| Congressman Nancy Mace is going to be here. | ||
| And I realize for people, forget aliens and spacecraft. | ||
| It's about what the Deep State knows. | ||
| Was it shocking the way that they just completely blew off the oversight of Congress? | ||
| And this is the administrative in Deep State. | ||
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I agree. | |
| That is the story. | ||
| The story is not aliens. | ||
| The story is the interface and the complete arrogance of the administrative state over decades. | ||
| This is the clearest documentation in the behaviors that you see, the actions, the integration with press, the integration of the derision, defamation, gaslighting, etc. | ||
| It's the same portfolio, it's the same checklist that we're seeing deployed against Bobby Kennedy right now. | ||
| And that we've seen deployed during the COVID crisis. | ||
| It's like they have a standard playbook. | ||
| And against Trump, because they understand... Against Trump? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
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On steroids. | |
| On steroids, because they understand Trump says the administrative state, the deep states are existential threat. | ||
| I'm going to take it. | ||
| He in a combination of him and Kennedy would be insane. | ||
| But what can we do? | ||
| If that's your theory of the case, Then what must be done now? | ||
| Because we just can't wait to an election. | ||
| This has to be confronted immediately. | ||
| And you've got the COVID situation, the vaccine situation, you've got the situation with the UFOs, you've got across the board, you have 10 different verticals. | ||
| How do you stop this now? | ||
| In its tracks? | ||
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I don't know the answer to that. | |
| The only way, you know, we've also got Mitch McConnell. | ||
| With all of his power and his compromised capabilities, and he sits on top of that whole stack. | ||
| In the current situation... I'm not sure we're going to get a ton of help there. | ||
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No, but that's exactly my point. | |
| We're going to get anything but help. | ||
| We're going to get obstructionism. | ||
| The House Intelligence Committee, so people over there have told me the reason that Remember, Gates and these guys said we've got to go into a skiff. | ||
| The House Intelligence Committee, under Mike Turner, is completely bought and paid for. | ||
| They will not go after Secori Capital, but they will not go after any of the things on the U.F.O. | ||
| They don't want to touch it. | ||
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That's exactly the way I hear it, too. | |
| The House Intelligence Committee is compromised. | ||
| They're useless. | ||
| I'm really disappointed at the Senate Committee for Oversight on Homeland Security. | ||
| Which should have portfolio relating to the weaponization of Homeland Security for this whole censorship industrial complex, the whole mis-dis-mal-information complex that's been deployed with Mayorkas. | ||
| That should be directly smack dab in the middle of Senate, of that Senate committee with Ron Johnson. | ||
| And they won't touch it. | ||
| They won't touch the censorship. | ||
| We... I don't know. | ||
| They won't touch the censorship because of the inextricably linked nature of the Intelligence Committee. | ||
| People should understand, people live in fear of the Intelligence Committee in this Capitol. | ||
| The Imperial Capitol, they are the Praetorian Guard that guards the administrative state. | ||
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I argue that they have fused with the administrative state. | |
| In terms of what's happened here over the last three years, what we've seen In my opinion, is the fusion of the administrative state in the intelligence community and what's been assimilated, the vector that comes out of that, is the ethics for the entire edifice have become the ethics of the intelligence community, which are essentially no ethics. | ||
| They're entirely situational. | ||
| That's where we get this vector that comes out that's totally utilitarian. | ||
| Anything goes that advances the interests of that imperial state and the administrative state that supports it. | ||
| In the two or couple minutes we've got, I gotta go back to your depopulation. | ||
| You went back to Kissinger's original national security memos when Earhart and Stanford and the population bomb. | ||
| My brother was able to tell me, hey, Columbia put out a book twenty years ago, the capacity limitations of Earth, the number was, wait for it, eight billion people. | ||
| So do you think that there is an organized effort On depopulation now, and if so, can you point to any fact pattern people can look at? | ||
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So, the State Department has put on their website an explicit statement that depopulation or population restriction is not the policy of the United States. | |
| And yet we have these various documents that are apparently still in place, in which it's explicitly laid out that that is the policy of the United States. | ||
| How do you square that circle? | ||
| You will know them by their actions. | ||
| The actions that we've seen are entirely consistent with that Kissinger report and the subsequent report, both of which were placed as national security policy by Gerald Ford. | ||
| And there has, best of my knowledge, there have not been any replacement documents. | ||
| Apparently, the policy is that those will stand in place until they're replaced. | ||
| Now, the one caveat that I'm ignorant about that I'm worried about is whether or not Ronald Reagan changed any of those policies, because you may recall, you would recall, that Reagan took some specific actions relating to abortion, in particular having to do with our stance in terms of worldwide population control. | ||
| The Mexican policy or whatever. | ||
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Yep, exactly right. | |
| So I don't know if Reagan intervened in any of this, but I and my colleagues cannot find any documents that are, now that could be they're classified, That have superseded those national security positions. | ||
| Do you agree with me that across the board on the assassinations on all this has to be declassified immediately and that would be a cause we'd be fighting right now for the next hundred days to declassify all this and release it to the American people? | ||
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That would certainly be a huge step forward. | |
| We have so much stuff that's been hidden. | ||
| The over classification has been stated in multiple committees. | ||
| And starting in the Wuhan lab, the COVID, everything dealing with that. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| All should be declassified immediately. | ||
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Yeah, that's my opinion. | |
| We're beyond the point where there, you know, I'm sure there are national security issues here. | ||
| National security issues from the American people. | ||
| I mean, they're working with the CCP. | ||
| They're already hand in glove with those guys. | ||
| They don't want the information for the American people, because then the American people can force change. | ||
| The classification is to keep it from us. | ||
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Is to hide the information so they don't get the backlash. | |
| I think what we've got is yet another classic case of unintended consequences, of blowback. | ||
| With a group of individuals that have felt entitled, that have essentially no controls on their access to capital, and their ability to operationalize the toys that they want to play with. | ||
| And after blowing 9-11, after blowing the information weapons of mass destruction, after blowing all the intelligence on the Afghanistan war, on the Ukraine war, on all of it, with a track record that is perfect for failure, You say they're still the most powerful operation in the imperial capital? | ||
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Not just in the imperial capital, what I hear is worldwide. | |
| I mean, my European colleagues that are active politically are scared of the CIA. | ||
| The European Parliament is cowed by the CIA. | ||
| The CIA has enormous power, globally. | ||
| And a strong case could be made, in my opinion, that they're rogue. | ||
| They are, they have exceeded, and when you hear these statements that they don't believe that they have to loop in temporary employees. | ||
| The euphemism is temporary employees is a euphemism for elected officials. | ||
| They're above the temporary employees. | ||
| We saw yesterday, and this is one of the things for the audience, yesterday in the hearings there was a question is Congress has enough security clearances, including the Gang of Eight, which is supposed to have everything you have so that the intelligence community can't get around that. | ||
| They've been doing it for years. | ||
| This is a fight that is going to explode. | ||
| How do people get all your information, sub-stack all of it? | ||
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Well, thanks. | |
| Once again, Getter, Gab, Truth Social, and Twitter, or X. | ||
| And then Substack is rwmalonemd.substack.com and our institute, non-profit, is Malone Institute, so that's maloneinstitute.org and on that we have the larger documents like our huge spreadsheet It's the comprehensive list of all World Economic Forum Young Leader trainees. | ||
| It took us months to produce it. | ||
| And it's all searchable. | ||
| You can find out all kinds of information about that. | ||
| And many of the documents that are associated with this depopulation agenda are recently uploaded there. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| And Charlie Kirk is apparently going to feature that Malone Institute in an upcoming broadcast. | ||
| So I thank him. | ||
| Okay, we're leaving with a sea shanty. | ||
| We'll talk more about that in the six o'clock. | ||
| Stick around. | ||
| Dr. Ronald Malone, thank you for coming to see us. | ||
| You look like a courtly southern senator. | ||
| I thought we had time workers back in the 50s, right? | ||
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It was hot. | |
| A hearing over in communism. | ||
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It was hot on the hill today. | |
| Fluoride and water. | ||
| We're going to hold the hearings. | ||
| Senator Malone from Virginia. | ||
| The Commonwealth. | ||
| Okay, short commercial break. | ||
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