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July 14, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 2877: The Murdoch Struggle Sesh
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raheem kassam
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richard baris
06:09
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steve bannon
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catherine englebrecht
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steve doocy
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brian kilmeade
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jake tapper
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steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies.
unidentified
Because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon
I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
unidentified
MAGA Media.
jake tapper
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room, here's your host Stephen K. Bannon.
And Ken Griffin, he left.
Remember, he left Chicago.
He started the hedge fund, said it all, and then he moved down, bought lots of property in Palm Beach, moved his company down to Miami.
So I think these individuals, they're going to support whoever's going to win the primary, but they're just trying to push the one that they might like right now.
One strategy that's going to go the whole way.
Everybody's going to have ups and downs.
I mean, Doug, no one's ever seen anything like Donald Trump, a former president, twice indicted, dominating every news cycle, who has surprised everybody by having a 30 to 40 point lead.
They're waiting to see, I think, a lot of the field to see if any of these court cases are going to stop his ascent or stop him in his tracks.
So far, it's done nothing but let him dominate, whether it's critics or praise, or whether people feel more stalwart to back him, or feel like they want to jump.
He dominates.
And then the rest of the field just freezes, and they're forced to comment on Donald Trump's indictment, Donald Trump's pending indictment, Donald Trump's reaction, the size of his crowds, instead of talking about who they are, which is typically the way things are done in the past.
Senator Tim Scott seems to be getting some Ron DeSantis dissenters.
For DeSantis, it seems as though his group is starting to say, why don't we put him into some adversarial situations?
brian kilmeade
More mainstream situations where he might have people challenge him more because in the past, I think it's a great formula for DeSantis.
unidentified
He excels when he's challenged.
If you remember the 60 minutes, if you remember These reporters who continue to go after him, whether it's Disney on back, he's so bright and well-schooled on his feet about government on every level.
brian kilmeade
This is where he could do well, and I think that would be smart for him to do the Vivek Ramaswamy style, Donald Trump 2016 style, and that's anything and everything to see if he can start dominating and getting those viral moments.
steve doocy
Well, and in particular, the DeSantis team is looking at the sudden increase in the polls for Chris Christie, and they're looking at Mike Pence, former vice president, and it's like, okay, they go on all the shows.
unidentified
Mike Pence has zero momentum.
steve doocy
Right, but they're looking at their media strategy where it's like they're getting a lot of eyeballs.
Chris Christie's on all the channels. I see him on all the channels.
He was on our air yesterday and the day before.
So go into not only Fox News, Ron DeSantis, the thinking is, but also go to MSNBC, go to CNN, go to ABC, go wherever people are because the governor can obviously handle it.
And so it sounds like that's going to be a change in the DeSantis media strategy.
And given the fact that now there's these stories floating around that his big donors are putting the brakes on any more money right now, it's like, okay, nothing can hurt.
unidentified
The billionaire, Ronald Lauder, the Estee Lauder guy, he said he's going to go back and meet with Tim Scott again.
He gave $200,000.
I think he went.
He went once, and he's going to go back.
He says he plans to get together again with Scott.
He gave $200,000 to DeSantis to his gubernatorial run in 2018, and then $10,000 to a super PAC.
steve bannon
Okay, hold it.
Denver, Real America's Voice, the crack team at Denver.
Just hold it right there.
Don't rewind to that.
It's Friday, 14th July, the year of our Lord 2023.
Folks, there you see Jack Posobiec nailed it.
Can we put up his tweet?
And I've got Barris and Rahim here to kick off.
Two big events today, the all-day evangelical gathering out in Iowa.
There's been some changes on that, we'll talk about in a second.
Also, Turning Point USA in West Palm Beach this weekend.
Nothing could personify TV for stupid people as much as this Fox Morning Show.
Think about what we've presented to you over the last months and months and months.
Sophisticated analysis, top people, inside baseball, because you rate that.
You deserve that.
You're the driving force in American politics.
You know that, right?
And that's why everybody in the world is trying to chop block you.
The War Room Posse, the ultra-mega vanguard, the ultra-mega cadre.
And right there you see, and Jack Posobiec nailed it.
He put a tweet up and said, this is Murdoch's struggle session.
But it's so stupid hour.
It's so redonkulous the way they go about things.
And this is where I remember they're having a traumatic moment.
And I've said this before.
I know Murdoch personally.
I knew him in 16, then in the White House.
He's an idiot.
He's an idiot.
Roger Ailes had the political savvy.
Murdoch is a tabloid guy from Australia, okay?
An idiot.
And if you don't believe he's an idiot, just go read the deposition in the Dominion case of which his company stroked an $800 million check to make sure they didn't have to have him on the stand to be picked apart and showed how he just has a basic lack of understanding of American politics and actually the structure of modern media.
And right there you're seeing it personified.
TV for stupid people on the couch this morning, and they're having a struggle session.
Their boy, Ron DeSantis, that they have spent over a year, a year and a half, just promoting and platforming at town halls and specials and all that.
unidentified
It's total freefall.
steve bannon
And the smart money is running from this guy because they understand it's just not, it's not there.
We got Barris on some polling.
Rahim, I want your assessment first.
Jack Posobiec nailed it.
The struggle session on the couch on TV for stupid people.
Murdoch News Network this morning.
Your assessment, sir.
raheem kassam
Well, I wasn't really sure what the heck they were talking about, considering that Ron DeSantis has actually shown over and over again that he can't handle those difficult interviews.
He can't handle those tough questions.
When he gets them from voters, on the stump he gets frazzled.
He's had them from reporters in the past.
I still remember watching, by the way, the debate, the Florida gubernatorial debate.
Where he's sitting there against a person who is absolutely trashed legacy-wise, has no base of support down there, actually has very few real political convictions of his own, Charlie Crist, and he's still struggled up on that stage.
So, you know, my reading of this, and it will come as no surprise to anybody who is a dissenters fan watching this, But my reaction to this is this is another desperate tactic from a desperate DeSantis team who think, right, we've exhausted all of the options that we thought were going to get us to, you know, level pegging with Trump in the Republican likely voter polls.
And we've actually made not just no progress, we've actually regressed in those polls.
So, hey, it's time to mix it up.
But you don't mix it up with something like this where you know your candidate is weak.
And I think this is going to really, really reveal him to be unfit for that high in office.
steve bannon
Are you telling the war room cadre, Raheem Kassam, who think very highly of your astute political analysis, that you do not agree with Brian Kilmeade?
He's so bright and good on his feet.
You know, Perky, the Perky Morning Show.
He's so bright and good on his feet.
This is a guy that won't take questions from voters in New Hampshire.
Note to DeSantis campaign.
New Hampshire is about taking questions from the Granite Staters.
Live Free or Die shows up, they want to ask you a question and they want you to answer it.
It's all town halls up there, right?
Do you, are you disagreeing that he's so, Kilmeade affirms he's so bright and good on his feet that he should start taking, he should start doing pressure interviews with MSNBC and CNN.
You don't agree with that thesis, brother?
raheem kassam
I do actually agree with half of that thesis.
I think Ron DeSantis is not a stupid man.
I think if I had some questions about some arcane matters pertaining to constitutional law, I would love to be able to call somebody like Ron DeSantis and have him walk me through the finer points of, you know, the 300th addendum to a footnote on somebody's opinion on the Federalist Papers, right?
And that has a place.
It's an important academic place.
But to call him, you know, quick on his feet, just look, the audience needs to cast their mind back to take, for example, Carrie Lake, who when is confronted by a hostile media Has almost every single data point to hand, has almost every single rhetorical rebuttal to hand, and knows how to drop the microphone and obviously the hammer at the same time.
And Ron DeSantis has shown none of that and he's never even shown an inking of being able to kind of connect connect with somebody in a conversation.
Remember, I will remind you, this is somebody who just a few months ago autism awareness charities were having to defend because people were running headlines asking whether or not his public interaction showed him to be on Der Spektrum, if you will.
So Kilmeade, I never watch that channel anymore anyway, they've just proved to me why that's been the case for so long.
steve bannon
I want to play, because I've got Barris up here with some polling.
Let's continue.
I want to play it for another minute or two and get Rahim.
Because they're having a struggle session.
Fox is trying to think through Tim Scott.
They're trying to think of the next non-event that's not going to be President of the United States.
It's going to take up your time, take up your mindshare, and burn through a lot of money.
unidentified
Let's just hit it and let's just play it.
He started the hedge fund, said it all, and then he moved down, bought lots of property in Palm Beach.
steve doocy
Fox News, Ron DeSantis, the thinking is, but also go to MSNBC, go to CNN, go to ABC, go wherever people are, because the governor can obviously handle it.
And so it sounds like that's going to be a change in the DeSantis media strategy.
And given the fact that now there's these stories floating around that his big donors are putting the brakes on any more money right now, it's like, okay, nothing can hurt.
unidentified
The billionaire, Ronald Lauder, the Estee Lauder guy, he said he's going to go back and meet with Tim Scott again.
He gave $200,000.
He went once and he's going to go back.
He says he plans to get together again with Scott.
He gave $200,000 to DeSantis to his gubernatorial run in 2018 and then $10,000 to his super PAC.
I think people love, they love, I mean, if you look at the GOP, if you look at all those faces we just put up on the screen, There's not really anyone, if you talk to staunch Republicans, that they really just don't like.
Donald Trump can be a little controversial just because of his tweeting and all of that, but they still love him.
I mean, his poll numbers are huge.
But where's he going, Ainsley?
He went to CNN and he did that town hall and basically they've seen and lost their president.
Vivek Ramaswamy goes to CNN and they lose Don Lemon.
And then if you put Tim Scott over there on The View, he ends up getting a viral moment because he's challenged.
steve doocy
And one face that is not on that board is Governor Glenn Youngkin, who is currently the governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia.
You know, and the thing is, and his, uh, Glenn Youngkin's team released the fact that in the second quarter, Glenn Youngkin raised almost $6 million, which is this, this, this is, this is, this is directly from Rupert Murdoch.
steve bannon
That's their next boy.
Next boys next in the, in the, in the, uh, coming into the charnel house is Glenn Youngkin.
This is how sophisticated Murdoch is at putting up Yunkin.
Not understanding that Yunkin is the governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia because you had a massive MAGA turnout.
From the John Frederick show, this show, we went down there.
Guys held their nose and voted for Yunkin.
And the beginning of the Moms for Liberty, the parental rights movement.
Where McAuliffe came up in their face.
Glenn Youngkin doesn't exist without the MAGA vote.
And the MAGA vote for President of the United States is not with Glenn Youngkin.
Clowns like Murdoch don't understand that.
They don't understand.
Glenn Youngkin and they got Kemp in the bullpen.
They're going to get Kemp to... This is all, all to try to kneecap Trump.
The Fox News apparatus is the railhead of never-Trumpism.
Rahim, I got a minute for a break.
Your assessment, sir.
raheem kassam
Well, they learned nothing from 2016 because they're replaying so many of the old tactics.
We talked about this as it pertains to Iowa and Jeff Rowe and his sort of al-Qaeda-like tactics of going back to the same place at the same time.
You know, it's the anniversary attack for Jeff Rowe is in Iowa right now, but it's not going so well.
Remember, Donald Trump is the man that destroyed ISIS, and Jeff Rowe doesn't have a chance If they didn't have a chance.
And the other part of it is, you know, Murdoch and these whole guys, I read the headline the other day.
Oh, Murdoch is trying to take down the monster he created.
That is precisely the incorrect reading of that scenario.
Rupert Murdoch did not create Donald Trump.
If anything, Donald Trump created and propped up a failing Rupert Murdoch and a failing Fox News that had no legs, no connection with the populist movement, had no connection with wider America.
And we'll talk about it more on my podcast, The Campaign Trail, coming out Sunday, TheNationalPodcast.com.
steve bannon
Hang on one second, I'm going to hold you over just for a break.
I want to talk about your podcast.
Got Barrister to share some polling at Iowa.
unidentified
We're going to take a short commercial break.
steve bannon
We're going to be back in TV for Not Stupid People.
steve doocy
the war room in a moment steven which is more than any previous governor did in an entire year in the commonwealth of virginia So now the thinking is, OK, the guy is popular.
He can raise money.
Maybe he should get in.
unidentified
Well, my point was, if you talk to Republicans, they like all of them.
There's not really anyone they don't like.
steve doocy
They do.
unidentified
They do.
It's just who can beat the Democratic candidate.
And it looks like right now it's going to be Joe Biden, unless these stories are true coming out of CNN that they're talking about maybe picking another candidate.
Stop.
steve doocy
I can't take it anymore.
steve bannon
My head hurts.
No, they don't like all of them.
This is, this is more, this is the Murdoch's and this is the disservice.
We're in a war in this country right now.
And no, they don't like all of them.
It's, that's nonsense crap.
These guys, you know, they're, they're polling at 0.0.
Oh, they're so also talented as any one of them could do it.
That's all crap.
This is all they're trying.
They're desperately, the neoliberal neocons are trying to desperately find somebody to thwart President Trump.
Look at the vote yesterday for the NDAA.
We're going to have Boebert up here this afternoon, Congressman Boebert.
No, they called up inactive, I think, 3,000 inactive troops yesterday, inactive reserves, which is unheard of for the Ukraine war.
In the votes yesterday, one congressman put up an amendment to just have a plan to make him come forward with a plan.
Not even a War Powers Resolution, which they should do, McCarthy should do immediately.
Come forward with a plan.
Only got 129 votes.
I think 100 and, what is it, over 100 Republicans voted against it.
All the Democrats voted for it, I think.
Or voted against it.
You couldn't get, you couldn't even get the Republican Party, McCarthy, to stand up here.
The neoliberal neocons are in desperation.
See them sweat?
That's a struggle session.
Flapping around.
Oh, you grunt.
Yunkins run.
Raise more money.
We're going to do the more money deal.
Is this what we're going to do?
Didn't DeSantis, didn't Jeb Bush raise so much?
Didn't DeSantis raise so much?
They, remember, the Murdochs are not Americans.
They don't care about America.
Just understand that.
Every time you cut on Fox, remember, this is not owned by Americans.
It's controlled by the Murdochs, although I think they only own 14% of the company now because of the old phony A&B stock.
They control it.
A group of foreigners.
Oh, no, excuse me.
In the middle of the night, Rupert Murdoch did get American citizenship back in the 80s.
So he could buy a broadcast network because that was illegal at the time.
So he gun decked that and became a citizen.
Voila!
In the middle of a merger deal.
Right, an acquisition where they found out, hey, you're a foreigner, you can't own a broadcast network.
Funny how that works.
Richard Barris, before I get Raheem back up here, tell me about the polling.
Does the polling concur with Fox?
Oh, they all love him.
Everybody loves him.
They all love him.
They're all so qualified.
That's so stupid.
It's offensive.
And by the way, tell your friends of your war room cadre, your friends that watch that crap, tell them this is why you're getting brain rot.
At least come on R.A.V.
or some of these other podcasts or channels.
You're going to get sophisticated hard-hitting analysis inside baseball.
They treat you like morons because they're the Santas.
Ron the robot didn't work out.
Now they're going to go to Glenn Youngkin.
Let's put a vest on him.
Wander around.
Ask the moms out there how he's doing in those how he's doing in those school districts to get out the transgender ideology.
Ask him how he's doing against the library association.
Ask him how he's doing against the teacher union.
Ask how that's going for him.
Glenn Young is too smart to take on Trump.
And I said yesterday on John Frederick's podcast, what DeSantis ought to do is bite the bullet, take all the grief, just drop out, go back to Florida, work your tail off, be a great governor, see how it plays out.
Otherwise, you're going to finish third or fourth in Iowa, you're going to finish fourth in New Hampshire, and you're done.
You're finished.
Stick a fork in it.
Your political career is over.
You'll never be considered for president.
You'll be the Harold Stassen of the Republican Party.
Tell me about your polling in Iowa, Brother Barris.
richard baris
Thanks for having me as always, Steve.
We did this poll in Iowa at a perfect time, apparently.
They're going to have this conversation the president's not even going to be part of later today.
And everything that we're seeing is an article in Politico today about how DeSantis' team is looking to evangelicals to make his campaign born again.
unidentified
Right.
richard baris
So the bottom line with this poll, Steve, is it's 51-19.
And after millions, I mean, never back down, the PAC supporting DeSantis has spent millions of dollars.
Almost every voter that we spoke to has seen or heard of these, you know, these advertisements.
So we would have expected him to do better here.
But the former president leads them 51-19.
That's the top line.
And one of the interesting things about that article, as I'm reading it, is looking at evangelicals, which will make up a good part of the Iowa caucus, probably, you know, almost half.
Last time they were almost half.
They could be anywhere between, you know, 35 to 45 percent.
They're 33 percent in a general election in Iowa.
Trump leads with evangelicals by the same margin he leads with non-evangelicals.
And it is the exact 51 to 19 that we found overall.
So if we can, can we throw up that map?
Do we have the map?
We've been doing this, um, lately.
So this is the most transparent polling ever done anywhere.
Steve, we're putting up these maps where people can literally click on these dots.
Each one represents an interview and you can see every detailed demographic from that particular voter that we spoke with, or in this case with Republicans, caucus covers.
And we spoke to about 480 of them.
So you can see the dark red is Trump and the blue is DeSantis.
Outside of Ames, where, again, even though it's blue, it's not dominant.
Outside of Ames and over to the east, Iowa City, where Tim Scott actually has some support, it's Trump everywhere.
Trump leads in Dubuque.
He leads in Des Moines.
He leads in Sioux City.
He leads all across western evangelical-dominated Iowa.
This is not a close race.
This is just the same that we're really seeing everywhere else, Steve, which is that There is one top-tier candidate in this race, and I'm listening while I'm waiting to people on Fox News, and I'm just chuckling because if this was anyone else not named Donald Trump, this race would be over, and the media would be saying that it's over.
There's one of the charts that we gave to you guys.
I know I'm skipping ahead here, I don't mean to confuse everybody, but it's a caucus.
An out-of-caucus, it's not a prime.
unidentified
Yeah, go ahead.
steve bannon
But hang on a second.
Just go back and hit that again.
What do you mean by, if it was anybody else but Donald Trump, this would be over?
Tell me what that means.
richard baris
This lead is historically big.
Nobody in the modern era has had a lead this big.
Mitt Romney lost the Iowa caucus to Rick Santorum.
He did go on to win New Hampshire, but then he lost South Carolina.
Yet that entire time, those same people you just saw on that couch From Ainsley to Brian, they all said Mitt Romney's going to be the nominee.
Mitt Romney's going to be the nominee.
Mitt Romney's, and they repeated it and regurgitated it over and over again.
Yet Mitt Romney had a modest national polling lead and he had money and they just kept pushing it and pushing it.
And the same is true of the nomination before that.
unidentified
And even, honestly, Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
steve bannon
You just nailed it.
Rahim, Barris just brought up the reality.
Fox, the Murdochs get up there and they get an idea of who they want to back and this is why you've had so many deadbeat losers like Mitt Romney and they can... Trump is so dominant this thing is over but they're sitting there talking about having a struggle session of what other clown is next so we can just chop block Trump and drag this thing out, spend tons of money on negative ads and hurt it in a general election.
You know why?
Murdoch's don't mind Biden being in office.
It's not bad for business.
Rahim Ghassan, your thoughts and analysis before you punch.
raheem kassam
Well, remember, the doyens of principled conservatism for the last several years, such as Bill Kristol, are now telling people that they need to be endorsing Joe Biden for president next time around.
This is that cadre, this is their mindset, this is our mantra, but we're leaving something massive out of the conversation here, which is this.
Fox News isn't coming to this of their own volition.
Fox News producers aren't sitting there going like, oh, who should we float today?
This is coming from top down, yes, but it's also coming from the consultant, the fundraising class.
You know, up on the National Pulse, we have this story about two of the major DeSantis donors, the host committee donors, that he's participating with in his crisis talk session in Southampton.
One of them, CCP through and through, has worked with CCP for the last 20 years doing multi-million dollar deals on behalf of the Chinese Communist Party, buying up resources in the Western Hemisphere.
That's one of DeSantis' hosts.
The other one has sat on the World Economic Forum's Young Leaders Board for the last goodness knows how long.
Howard Cox sat with Klaus Schwab on that board.
And so you have to remember that when Jeff wrote and Axiom and all these guys, they see those dollar signs lighting up from these big globalist money men.
Well, then they're the ones going to Fox and they're going, we need to prolong this.
We need to drag this out.
You notice they start to refer to it as a marathon now?
They say marathon, marathon, marathon.
Yeah, it's a marathon for the money, is what it is.
steve bannon
Raheem, brilliant.
Talk about when you dropped the Inside Baseball podcast on politics.
raheem kassam
Yeah, so Sunday morning I've actually got Vivek Ramaswamy on because I thought it was very interesting the way that he's kind of using this populist way of fundraising.
Actually, instead of going to big money fundraisers and cutting them 10%, he's saying, no, anybody out there who wants to be part of his movement can get that 10% cut the same way as like the DC donor class already does.
So we've got an interesting interview about the nuts and bolts of Vivek's campaign, which I find to be fascinating.
To be honest with you, I think a lot of people are going to learn from that, a few things from that campaign in the long run.
And also understanding where he really wants to go, because I think by the end of summer, Vivek is going to be polling above Ron, and I think that's a fascinating thing.
So the campaign trail, the podcast, episode three drops at thenationalpulse.com.
If you join up now via thenationalpulse.com forward slash warren, you'll get the show Sunday morning.
steve bannon
Ibrahim, thanks.
Great job.
National Pulse.
The story on the Hamptons donors and the host committee is pretty shocking.
And everybody's got to read it.
I want Mo and Grace to push that everywhere.
And Carly Bonet, the team over at Midnight Rider.
It's pretty shocking.
So great job, Ibrahim.
Fantastic.
Thanks.
We got Katherine Engelbrecht, Greg Phillips is going to join us, Laura Loomer's got another expose about DeSantis' fundraising, something that Caroline Wren mentioned on the show last night.
Loomer has drilled down.
You'll be pretty shocked about where your money went if you were supporting Governor DeSantis.
It is quite obvious that Fox is all in for Fox is all in for, you know, making this a marathon when it's over.
Okay, I think we got the Mormon Tabernacle Choir with This Land is My Land, This Land is Your Land.
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through the vote and their fight to make sure that we have honest and fair elections.
Of course, we've got Lauren Loomer, one of the top investigative reporters.
Caroline Wren mentioned this last night.
Loomer's done the work to back it up and has the receipts.
It's pretty shocking for MAGA about what you're about to hear.
I want to finish with Barris.
Barris, one more time, I want you to give me, because you guys have been in the field, I want you to give me your data assessment from Big Data of the polling of where Iowa stands on the day they have this evangelical meeting.
Quite frankly, which is all run by Vander Plaats and the Never Trump crowd out there.
The same playbook is in 15 and 16 with Ted Cruz.
It's Jeff Roe, it's all of them.
What does it say, and then go back to what has been Fox's modus operandi in when they've seen numbers even one-fifth this big before, sir?
richard baris
Yeah, this is what, and Fox should listen to this, Steve.
It's a caucus, so we ask people, can you be persuaded to change your mind?
So it's not just a 30-point, 32-point lead looking at that map.
I mean, it's clearly dominant.
You can see, you don't have to be a data genius to look at the dominance of that map.
About a supermajority, just under a supermajority of Trump's vote said that they cannot be persuaded to change their mind.
Not in a caucus, not now, not then.
That's only true of about a quarter of Ron DeSantis' 19%.
So that's how dominant this is and how solid that support is.
This is something that Fox News has been doing for years.
And in 2016, Republican voters, they got tired of it.
And basically they declared their independence from Fox News's ability to pick their nominee.
And they went in a different direction.
So they're back after all these years.
They're back to doing what they have always done.
And you know, Uh, that that's the case because they always use one argument, Steve.
It's the electability argument.
And just to give some, first of all, our polling and others is very clear that Ron DeSantis is not the strongest general election candidate.
And that's very simple.
It's also in the poll.
We ask people if your candidate is not the general election nominee, would you not vote?
Would you vote third party?
Would you vote for the Democratic nominee?
Would you vote for the Republican nominee in the end?
The Trump only vote.
unidentified
Is dwarfs, dwarfs, Steve.
richard baris
All of the rest of the candidates combined who say that if their nominee is not the, you know, the candidate that they could vote either for third party, the Democrat or not at all.
All of that vote comes from Trump's vote.
So, I mean, again, that does go to what you said, though, about Fox News.
Even if they understood that, if they were smart enough to understand it, it really wouldn't bother them because they'd rather have Biden than a second term of President Trump.
This lead is so big.
Mitt Romney never had a lead this big.
Never.
Neither did John McCain.
And yet they pushed those two candidates over and over into the lap of the Republican voters.
And what happened?
They went on to lose.
So, you know, going from here, you know, good luck forcing these people to change their mind.
They already spent millions in the state of Iowa.
They're sitting on that couch talking as if, and you heard it, they said the quiet part out loud, Steve.
These candidates are waiting for an indictment to hurt Donald Trump.
Well, that shoe has dropped.
I mean, he's been indicted more than John Gotti.
He's got more counts than John Gotti.
I mean, how many more counts, how many more indictments do you think need to be piled on him before he falls below 50?
It's not going to happen.
It's not.
steve bannon
The network that gave you the Bushes, the network that gave you McCain, the network that gave you Romney.
We didn't allow it.
They wanted to do that in 2015.
The first questions Bret Baier asked was the loyalty question and then Megyn Kelly came in to try to kneecap him.
I was running Breitbart and we blew her up.
Don't take it from me.
Take it from her.
Go watch the PBS special.
We're sitting there, big crocodile tears coming down.
He's so misogynist.
He said he was going to call me from the herd.
What I said is we're not prepared to have somebody take a left-wing tactic and go to somebody's Facebook account or Twitter account from years ago and kneecap the guy in the first thing.
Donald Trump's going to get a chance to present his case to the public.
And when that case was presented, he, wait for it, ran the tables.
Okay, and he's going to run the tables here.
The reason this is a problem, you see with this madness going on, I've got an article up, I think from NPR today, on my Getter account, that says that the deficit is so far bigger than what they imagined through the first half of the year, the first nine months, because the fiscal year starts October 1st, ending in June.
It's so much more enormous, and one of the reasons is, wait for it, tax revenues down.
Why are tax revenues down?
Because capital gains.
Because the stock market is, up until the last couple days, has sucked.
People have not made money.
They haven't paid taxes.
People's incomes are down.
So the deficit's exploding.
We got a complete debacle here, and yet Fox has no problem whatsoever with Joe Biden having another four years.
They do not.
The Murdochs and the wives of the sons who run this thing are all globalists.
They're all into climate change, this woke agenda, diversity, equity, inclusion, all of it, soup to nuts.
And you're seeing it right there on the couch.
They're trying to program you.
They're trying to stretch this thing out, and it ain't going to happen.
Oh, yeah.
Look at the fate of Ron DeSantis.
Why?
Because people like ourselves just kind of said, hey, here's what it is.
Right?
You got Loomer every day.
Bang, bang, bang.
Not letting games be played.
Barris, your polling's amazing.
How do people get to you, sir?
richard baris
The best play, Steve, is on Locals, peoplespundit.locals.com.
Take a second, folks.
Go around that map and click on the dots.
You know, we also ask people, of course, are you a first-time caucus goer?
This guy is bringing in even new caucus goers.
The deficit that they have in the polling is so big, it's historic, and it's time to face reality.
peoplespundit.locals.com Thank you, sir.
steve bannon
Great.
Fantastic work.
Let's go.
I want to go to true the vote because this is this is what reality is not the couch, not the couch with the.
Well, everybody likes them all.
They're so nice.
They're all so great.
Isn't this terrific?
And Tim Scott and Glenn Young can wears that sweater vest.
It's so nice.
The suburban moms like him.
The Karen's all loving baby.
That's going to make him electable.
That makes you electable.
We're at war.
Don't believe me?
We've got Catherine Engelbrecht and Greg Phillips.
Hell, they threw these guys in prison.
Catherine, give us a minute on what your time... I want everybody to understand what a hero she is and what a hero Greg is.
Just give me a minute on what it was like to be thrown in prison for trying to stand up to the Chinese Communist Party and how the elections of this country are being stolen.
What did they do to you in going to jail, ma'am?
catherine englebrecht
Well, what they did to me was redoubled my resolve.
I have no illusions about the games that are being played or the lengths to which they will go to try and silence us.
Prison is not fun.
I am thankful that the Fifth Circuit issued an emergency ruling to get us out.
Have no illusions.
We are at war.
You are exactly right.
We are at war.
steve bannon
Catherine, tell us, part of the war is, just like CCP, it's an economic war, it's an information war, it's a cyber war, it's a tech war, it's all of it.
You guys are getting down to finding out, and I think it was a year ago in the hot desert, right, in Arizona, you had that team up there.
You did that amazing presentation all day in the Patriots.
I think you had a thousand people in the, I call it the shed, You know, at 110 degrees and they're writing notes down and taking notes as patriots do.
Tell me the latest economic warfare and trying to bankrupt True The Vote and trying to break you and Greg Phillips.
What's happening down in the Peach State, ma'am?
catherine englebrecht
Well, we were allegedly sued by the state.
This marks our third lawsuit in Georgia.
However, important to note that we actually have not been served yet.
So right now, this is just playing out in the press, which is true to form, classic Georgia.
You always find out about things first in the legacy media.
So we'll see if we actually get served, if there's actually anything real to this.
They are coming after us saying that now they are serious about the allegations of ballot trafficking and they want to know more.
And, you know, now after the statute of limitations has run out, now after the legislature has removed drop boxes, now they're going to get serious.
And they intend to sue us into doing it.
So it's a psyop.
It's a game.
And we just have to be aware that this is propaganda and stay in the fight, keep our heads focused, and they're not going to break us.
steve bannon
Greg, you know about psyops.
This is a pretty sophisticated psyop, is it not, sir?
unidentified
It is.
They, you know, they're doing what they always do.
What they don't understand is that, you know, as Catherine used to say, and maybe even Andrew used to say, they picked on the wrong chick.
Um, you know, we're not going to break down and they're not going to break us.
They're not going to, you know, there's nothing they can do to fight back against us.
We have the most sophisticated software.
Available today, we have targeting software.
If we want to be able to target the area around a block or the area around a dropbox, a census block, anything we want to do, we can do.
We have more election data than any other entity in the world, and we serve that to Catherine's advantage.
Steve, all this time, you know, our side continues to play defense, right?
That's all we do is try to keep the other team from scoring.
But what you're about to see from Catherine and our team is we're about to play offense.
We're going to score and we're going to light them up.
steve bannon
So, I agree with Greg, Kath, and I don't think they realize you're a Texican, and like many of the Patriots down in Texas, you're tough as boot leather.
Tell us how we're going to go on offense.
catherine englebrecht
Well, in Georgia, we're just going to keep pushing back.
Just like we did, you talked about the shed, the pit event last August with Connick, where we laid out the story and followed it up over time with a drop on Open Ink, the site Greg developed, and we just laid out point by point what we had, and the next day the lawsuit was dropped.
Well, we intend to do the same thing with our data coming out of Georgia.
So we look forward to that opportunity.
We look forward to setting the record straight.
Have no illusions about what we're facing.
I mean, you know, Brian Kemp was a featured speaker at the World Economic Forum earlier this year.
They have their agenda.
They have their allegiances.
We are allegiant to the American people, and we aren't going anywhere.
They are trying to silence us before 2024.
We're just getting stronger.
steve bannon
So, Greg, you know, about Kemp being World Economic Forum, he's the one on the Fox couch.
After Junkin, Kemp's next up.
If Junkin Kemp happens as an instrument against Trump.
But Bill Barr, who's always on Fox, he says all the stuff that Greg Phillips and Catherine have, it's all garbage, it doesn't mean anything, it's all meaningless.
Your response to Bill Barr, sir?
unidentified
Well, then I would say somebody needs to do a whistleblower complaint because the DOJ, when Bill Barr was there, spent $100 million on geospatial data, the same type of data we use.
In fact, the DOJ was hiring our team, our analysts, and others to do the type of analysis that he now claims to be BS.
So, Bill, what happened to the $100 million?
Where did it go?
What did you do with it?
Why was it good enough then, but it's not good enough now?
He knows he's lying.
He's just spewing nonsense out there.
I understand he had a confrontation with one of our attorneys here in Texas fairly recently.
And these guys are just, you know, they're just spewing what they don't understand is who they're fighting now.
What they don't understand is we're going to take all of this information, all of this data, all of the technology that we were bringing to bear.
We're going to target Not only our voters, but we're going to target the other side.
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Two warriors broke the kind of case about the CCP having to serve as they have all the workers data, which people lied about.
So we're gonna come right back.
We got them.
We got Laura Loomer.
Also, Laura Loomer's got a major investigative report.
So we'll get all into it.
Short break.
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steve bannon
It's a great Royce White, just incredible spot right there.
Precinct straight, you take it back one precinct at a time.
Let's go.
Catherine, how do people, your fight's multi-front and you haven't finished the conic thing about exposing the CCP.
People are going to want to know more about it.
Where do they go?
catherine englebrecht
You can go to TrueTheVote.org.
You can also check out Onward.Social, which is a private network that Greg and I are running that gives a little bit raw review of what's happening.
But for TrueTheVote, TrueTheVote.org.
You can also find us on Truth, at TrueTheVote, on Twitter, now that we're back, at TrueTheVote.
steve bannon
Kathryn, thank Greg.
Real quickly, what's Onward?
What do people about this social media network tell us about it?
unidentified
We built a community, Steve.
We got tired of getting cancelled every time we turned around.
You know, our videos, even some of our texts still get cancelled on places like Twitter.
And True Social is obviously somewhere that we spend a good bit of time at Greg Phillips on True Social.
But we built Onward so that our close confidants and connections could come in and hear what we've got to say.
And see what we're pushing out there.
It's going to be a place that we're going to launch some of our... We froze.
steve bannon
Okay.
We'll push that.
I want to make sure everybody gets this and Mo and Grace and make sure everybody gets to Onward and check it out.
Catherine, Greg, thank you so much for joining us.
You can tell the caliber of somebody's like Thomas Moore.
He wouldn't recant.
They sent him to the tower and then they took his head off.
And then when they cut his head off, they put it around, they put it on the London Bridge for everybody to look at to see what the penalty was of going against the crown.
They can throw Greg Phillips and Catherine Engelbrecht into prison and they couldn't break them.
And finally a judge came in and released them.
That's patriots and that's heroes.
Compare Engelbrecht and Phillips.
To the bozos on that couch at Fox News that are trying to program this election.
They're trying to make a selection here that's not Donald J. Trump.
It's not going to happen.
Caroline Wren mentioned this last night, but I don't think people really understood it.
And you did this amazing report, which makes it quite clear.
Just explain to MAGA Who were supporters of then-Governor DeSantis in this race.
What happened to their money, ma'am?
laura loomer
Yeah.
Well, thanks for having me on, Steve.
So, if you recall, back in 2022, when Ron DeSantis was running for re-election as Governor of Florida, he actually broke fundraising records when he raised over $200 million for a gubernatorial race.
And this was significant because, you know, he had an uninspiring candidate as Rahim Kassam pointed out in the earlier segment.
His opponent was Charlie Crist.
And so people were looking at these fundraising numbers going, you know, Ron DeSantis doesn't really need $200 million.
So what is all this money for?
And long story short, he ended up spending over $100 million, and there was still about $95 million that was left over in a pot after he won re-election.
And in Florida, you can't serve more than two terms as governor unless you take a break term.
This money was left over and as we saw the changes that were being made in the legislature when I was, you know, blowing the whistle telling people that they were trying to change Florida's resign to run law so that the governor could keep his job as governor but also run for president.
You see that Ron DeSantis' PAC, where these funds were stored, it was called Friends of Ron DeSantis.
And then shortly after, okay, when they approved the changes to the Resign to Run law, which was done on April 28th of this year, days later, Ron DeSantis' PAC changed its name to the Empower Parents PAC.
And they had this website change done to make it seem like they were going to be dedicating $83 million to support parental rights movements and appeal to the parental rights groups in this country, Steve.
And ultimately, what they ended up doing with that money is, days after the name change, okay, a new PAC was propped up called Empower Parents Florida, with the same name as the Ron DeSantis PAC, Empower Parents.
Two separate PACs.
And then what we saw is Ron DeSantis, OK, ended up filing to run for president on May 24th.
That's the same exact day that he signed the amendment to the resign to run law.
And two days prior to that, on May 22nd, $1 million of those campaign funds from the $95 million that was left over.
Was transferred to Empower Parents Florida.
And who runs Empower Parents Florida?
That's the Speaker of the House, Paul Renner.
So you have two issues here, right?
Not only did they transfer the $82.5 million over to the Never Back Down Super PAC, which is now an anti-Trump protestantist for President Pac, But it appears that the Speaker of the House of Florida received a $1 million bribe just days before Ron DeSantis filed as his reward for getting the Florida Resign to Run law changed.
steve bannon
Well, let me go back.
Walk me just through the chain of... I got a minute.
Just run through the chain of custody of how the PAC that's sitting there never backed down.
That $82 million were MAGA supporters of Governor DeSantis as governor.
Where did that money go and how did it end up in their pack for the presidency?
laura loomer
In 2022, when Ron DeSantis raised the $200 million, and there was this $82.5 million left over, that was money that was raised from Trump supporters who donated to Ron DeSantis, thinking that they were going to have their funds used for the sake of getting him elected.
But he intentionally and deceptively raised more money than he actually needed, Steve.
And then after the election, he had his hand-appointed Secretary of State in Florida, Cord Bird, change the political handbook rules with regards to how you can transfer funds between state PACs and federal PACs.
And he had those $82.5 million of money from Trump supporters transferred over to his presidential PAC.
So Ron DeSantis lied to Trump supporters telling them, hey, give me your money so I can be governor, and then gave $82.5 million of those donations to the Never Back Down PAC.
It's truly unprecedented, and it's actually prompted complaints by watchdog organizations that are calling this a violation of FEC laws.
unidentified
Hang on, I'm gonna hold you through the break.
steve bannon
I want to make sure we've got our grips on this, because this is pretty shocking, as we say.
And it makes sense of how that money kind of appeared out of nowhere.
Short commercial break.
Laura Loomer, we've got Jeff Clark, Dave Brat, Charlie Kirk, and I think we may actually be going to the Evangelicals meeting out in Iowa.
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