July 4, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| I got a free shot of all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
| MAGA media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Babb. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| The wretch that would ensnare you shall spread his net in vain. | ||
| Should Europe empty, all her force will meet them in array. | ||
| And fight and shout and shout and fight for free American. | ||
| We led fair freedom hither, and lo, the desert smiled. | ||
| A paradise of pleasure was opened in the wild. | ||
| Your harvest, bold Americans, no power shall snatch away. | ||
| Preserve, preserve, preserve your rights in a free American. | ||
| Torn from a world of tyrants beneath this western sky. | ||
| We've formed a new dominion, a land of liberty. | ||
| The world shall own whiff, even here and such will ever be. | ||
| Huzzah, huzzah, huzzah, huzzah, for free America. | ||
| Some future days shall crown us the masters of the main. | ||
| Our fleet shall speak in thunder to England, France, and Spain. | ||
| Nations o'er the ocean spread shall tremble and obey the prince who rules by freedom's laws in North America. | ||
| I remind Mr. | ||
| Rutledge. Mr. Dwayne. | ||
| That blood has been shed. | ||
| Massachusetts blood. | ||
| While we debate, our militia is left without munitions, without arms, without even the slightest encouragement. | ||
| Dickinson of Pennsylvania. | ||
| One colony cannot be allowed to take its sister colonies headlong into the maelstrom of war. | ||
| Parliament will be eager to call a halt to hostilities, as are we. | ||
| They will seek conciliation. | ||
| We must offer them an olive branch. | ||
| I move this assembly, consider a humble and dutiful petition, be dispatched to His Majesty, one that includes a plain statement that the colony desires immediate negotiation and accommodation of these unhappy disputes, and that we are willing to enter into measures To achieve that reconciliation. | ||
| Second! Mr. | ||
| Dickinson. The time for negotiation is past. | ||
| The actions of the British Army at Lexington and Concord speak plainly enough. | ||
| If we wish to regain our natural-born rights as Englishmen, then we must fight for them. | ||
| I have looked for our rights in the laws of nature and can find them only in the laws of political society. | ||
| I have looked for our rights in the constitution of the English government and found them there. | ||
| Our rights have been violated, Mr. | ||
| Mr Adams, that is beyond dispute. | ||
| We must provide a plan to convince Parliament to restore those rights. | ||
| Do we wish to become aliens to the mother country? | ||
| No! | ||
| No, gentlemen! | ||
| We must come to terms with the mother country. | ||
| No doubt the same shit which carries forth our list of grievances will bring back their redress. | ||
| Mr Dickinson. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| My wife and young children live on the main road to Boston, fewer than five miles from the full might of the British Empire. | ||
| Should they sit and wait for Gage and his savages to rob them of their home, their possessions, their very lives? | ||
| No, sir. Powder and artillery are the surest and most infallible conciliatory measures we can adopt! | ||
| CHEERING If you exclude the possibility of peace, Mr. | ||
| Adams, then I tell you no. | ||
| You will have blood on your hands. | ||
| And I tell you, Mr. | ||
| Dickinson, that to hold out an olive branch to Britain is a measure of gross imbecility. | ||
| If you New England men continue to oppose our measures of reconciliation, you will leave us no choice but to break off from you entirely and carry on the opposition in our own way. | ||
| Hear, hear. I sit in judgment on no man's religion, Mr Dickinson. | ||
| But your quake air sensibilities do us a gross disservice, sir. | ||
| It is one thing to turn the other cheek, but to lie down on the ground like a snake and crawl toward the seat of power in abject surrender. | ||
| Well, that is quite another thing, sir. | ||
| And I have no stomach for it, sir. | ||
| No stomach at all! | ||
| We will exhaust all peaceful approaches, Mr. | ||
| Adams. And we will do it with or without the approbation of you and your Boston insurrectionists. | ||
| Hear, hear! Mr. | ||
| Dickinson's motion to send an olive branch petition to His Majesty has been made and seconded. | ||
| We shall proceed to a vote. | ||
| New Hampshire. It's Tuesday for July in the year of our Lord, 2023. | ||
| Happy Fourth of July. | ||
| The nation's birthday is today. | ||
| As we said on yesterday's show, another one of our continuing specials about the Independence Day or nation's liberty. | ||
| Remember, on the 2nd of July of 1776, the first advanced ships of the expeditionary force of the British actually came into New York Harbor, and they were not stopped at all, no... | ||
| No boarding by American officials. | ||
| In fact, they started to set up camp, I think, over at Staten Island. | ||
| And eventually, before they launched their attack across Long Island, I believe that Staten Island had gotten to be the third or fourth biggest city in population in the entire British Empire because of the number of troops they'd landed. | ||
| We'll get to all that in a little while. | ||
| I want to... Introduce my co-host for this July 4th special, and I couldn't think of a better person to join us, Dr. | ||
| Carol Swain. Dr. | ||
| Swain, first, can you explain the 1776 Commission? | ||
| You were actually selected by President Trump because of your expertise in this area to actually be on the commission and one of the leaders of the commission. | ||
| Talk to us about what was the whole purpose of that and why were you selected? | ||
| Well, the purpose of it was to prepare for the 250th anniversary of the birth of our nation in 2026. | ||
| And so President Trump put that commission together in December 2020. | ||
| We met one time officially. | ||
| We produced a short report. | ||
| But we were very concerned about the fact that Not just our young people, but also many of our older people don't know the significance of the Declaration of Independence. | ||
| They don't understand the freedoms who distinguished America from other nations of the world. | ||
| And so the Declaration of Independence contained universal truths about equality, liberty, justice. | ||
| And it was the foundation that helped prepare us for the Constitution. | ||
| And it had in it Everything that was needed to help our nation deal with slavery and communism and just all the challenges we have had since our birth. | ||
| And so it was an important commission. | ||
| It was one of the more important things. | ||
| I mean, I'm on dangerous territory here. | ||
| It's one of the most important things President Trump did. | ||
| I thought that President Biden would continue it. | ||
| On his first day of office, he dissolved the commission. | ||
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I want to talk about that. | |
| First off, why were you selected? | ||
| Talk about your study of this area and what you brought to the table. | ||
| Why were you selected? I'm a political scientist who was tenured at Vanderbilt and Princeton. | ||
| I'm an expert on American politics and I mean, I know all about our nation's founding, but it's important. | ||
| And I also have a law background, and so I think I was selected because of my credentials. | ||
| We were attacked because of our credentials. | ||
| One of the allegations was that there were no... | ||
| I forgot the word they used, but they said we were not historians, but we were people that had taught political science, And, you know, and I, myself, am a patriot. | ||
| I've loved my nation. | ||
| I don't recognize it any longer, but I've always loved America, and I hope we make it to 2026. | ||
| Well, talk about that. So Trump thinking downrange, and I do think this is one of the more important things that he accomplished, because it talks about the underpinnings of our republic. | ||
| Remember, one of the things we're going to talk about is Franklin's warning that I've talked about over the last couple of days in the specials leading up to this. | ||
| Franklin's warning a republic if you can keep it. | ||
| I think that's what's in the balance right now if we can keep this Republic peace. | ||
| For July 2026 is what? | ||
| Just three years away, a couple of years away. | ||
| That's the 250th anniversary of the signing of the declaration. | ||
| That in and of itself is a huge day to think that a nation's been actually free or now in quasi-freedom for 250 years. | ||
| Is that what President Trump was trying to do, is get people think downrange so that we can really have not just a celebration of a party, but really have a bunch of events leading up to it that would help young people realize the importance of our republic? | ||
| We were also going to recommend, you know, curricula for schools. | ||
| We wanted very much to bring civic education back into what our children were receiving. | ||
| And we, you know, the rule of law in America totally eroded. | ||
| And people don't know just basic facts about our nation. | ||
| We have so much revisionist history, such as the 1619 Project. | ||
| And so we were trying to sort of right the ship. | ||
| And when I was growing up as a child, and maybe, Steve, when you were younger, when you were growing up, you had some civic education. | ||
| And, you know, we were taught that we lived in the greatest nation in the world. | ||
| And I've always believed that. | ||
| What I see today, I barely recognize as America. | ||
| And even as a Black descendant of slaves, I have loved my nation and I have appreciated our Constitution forever. | ||
| And the Declaration of Independence. | ||
| And I want my children and great-grandchildren to understand why America has been so special, so that they don't have to ask this question that my 8-year-old great-grandson asked, what's so special about America everywhere? | ||
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America, America. What's America? | |
| I learned that by the time I was in first grade. | ||
| He's going into third grade and he doesn't understand why he sees the flag everywhere, why he hears so many people talking about America. | ||
| He's been hanging around me. | ||
| Dr. Swain, we're going to go to break. | ||
| I have a question. Don't tell me that you're a great-great-grandmother. | ||
| Is that what I'm hearing? I'm married at 16. | ||
| I have three great-grandchildren. | ||
| And, I mean, it's an uphill battle, but I intend to inculcate as many values as I can in them. | ||
| So, I mean, I'm fighting for the lives of our children and our grandchildren and our great-grandchildren and the descendants that we'll never meet. | ||
| Amazing. Dr. Swain, if you can just hold on for a second. | ||
| We're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| Of course, we're going to go out with the out music. | ||
| That was set to a tune that the British Army, about the Grenadiers. | ||
| This was set in, it was played during the Revolution with American lyrics. | ||
| We're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| We're going to be back with Dr. Carol Swain on our 4th of July War Room Special. | ||
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Back in a moment. Torn from a world of tyrants beneath this western sky. | |
| We've formed a new dominion, a land of liberty. | ||
| The world shall own we free, even here and such will ever be. | ||
| Huzzah, huzzah, huzzah, huzzah, for free Americans. | ||
| Some future days shall crown us the masters of the main. | ||
| Our fleet shall speak in thunder to England, France, and Spain. | ||
| Nations o'er the ocean spread shall tremble and obey the prince who rules by freedom's laws in Norway. | ||
| Lift up your hands, ye heroes, and swear with proud disdain. | ||
| The wretch that would ensnare, you shall spread his net in vain. | ||
| Should Europe empty, all her force will meet them in array. | ||
| And fight and shout and shout and fight for free America. | ||
| We let fair freedom hither and lo the desert smiled. A paradise of pleasure was opened in the wild. Your harvest bold Americans. No power. Welcome back. | ||
| It's Tuesday, 4 July, the year of our Lord, 2023. | ||
| Dr. Carol Swain is my wingman for the next couple of hours. | ||
| She was one of the heads of the 1776 Commission, and they were looking downrange of the educational program that was going to be built around The 250th anniversary, which would take place in 2026, where we're in a fight right now for our republic, as Dr. Swain has said. | ||
| It's very hard to even imagine that this is America, some of the crazy stuff going on. | ||
| Larry Swigert, the author, co-author of Patriot's History. | ||
| Of the United States. Larry, talk to us. | ||
| I want to go back in time. | ||
| On the morning, I realize there's some dates of guys, when they signed, when they didn't sign. | ||
| But generally, today, the 4th of July in Philadelphia, what brought that together? | ||
| And a lot of people confuse, this did not win our freedom. | ||
| This basically declared our freedom. | ||
| It then had to be fought for on a battlefield over, what, eight years. | ||
| And basically one, we had to defeat the British militarily. | ||
| But walk us through on this morning back in Philadelphia in 1776, sir. | ||
| Well, you know, declarations of independence and concepts of independence had been going on for many years. | ||
| Benjamin Franklin offered a plan of union back in 1754. | ||
| I think I'm going to go. | ||
| It came to the point where they realized two things. | ||
| One, all the colonies were in this together. | ||
| It was really amazing how incompetent England was that they managed to unite all 13 colonies against them. | ||
| That was the first thing. And the second thing was they understood that they needed a declaration to galvanize everyone to say, all right, this is it. | ||
| It's sink or swim. | ||
| And so as much as anything else, the declaration It was a burning of the bridge. | ||
| It was a statement that this is either going to work or we're all going to die, probably by hanging, maybe by drawing and quartering because they were guilty of treason. | ||
| And so as they came to that decision, they gave it to Thomas Jefferson, because John Adams, who'd been one of the ones kind of leading the battle, said, it can't come from Massachusetts. | ||
| We have too much being viewed as at stake here. | ||
| It needs to come from another colony, particularly Virginia. | ||
| And so they gave it to Jefferson. | ||
| To write up with a committee of four other guys, and he did most of the heavy lifting on the drafting. | ||
| Franklin made a few additions. | ||
| The Congress made about 100 and some different edits to the document. | ||
| But basically Jefferson's original draft was what came out, and it indeed set the stage for everything that was going to happen after that. | ||
| Before we go back to Dr. | ||
| Swain, this is kind of the cross the Rubicon moment. | ||
| We hadn't won our independence, but you declared it took the moral high ground. | ||
| What led, because these were a collection, I said, you know, lawyers, smart deal lawyers, smart litigators, a collection of very smart smugglers, right, like the John Hancocks of the world, and some real estate speculators, obviously gentlemen farmers. | ||
| But these guys were part of the system. | ||
| What led it to them? | ||
| What was it that drove these individuals to say, and even the people in the different legislatures in the states, which obviously had to send them there as a delegation to vote for it, to say, we're across the Rubicon to risk our life and our well-being and our property and our sacred honor, of our particular life, what would cause people who are non-revolutionary figures to not just | ||
| be revolutionaries, but to put you in the crosshairs of the crown, which was the biggest empire on earth and only getting bigger, sir? | ||
| Well, two things. | ||
| Let's not forget that many, if not most of these guys, were graduates of divinity schools. | ||
| And so there's a very powerful religious element to the American Revolution What the king was doing was a violation not only of man's law but of God's law. | ||
| That's why Jefferson writes that these rights were divinely ordained and that they are natural to all human beings. | ||
| The other thing that had occurred was this was a very long process. | ||
| And that's why it's so interesting to read. | ||
| And all students, all of our young people should read the Declaration. | ||
| Look at all of those lists of what the king has done, all of the grievances they had. | ||
| This didn't occur in 1775 or 1774. | ||
| This had been building up for a decade with act after act, whether it was the Stamp Act or the Tea Act or the Paper Act or the Wood Act. | ||
| You go on and on. | ||
| And so basically Jefferson is saying, look, here's all the ways in which you guys have heard us. | ||
| And then he tops it off by saying, oh great king, we went to you and we tried to reason with you and you were not going to have any of it. | ||
| So we went to our brethren. | ||
| We went to parliament and tried to say, hey look guys, you're like us. | ||
| We're all British, right? | ||
| And you wouldn't have any of it. | ||
| So if none of you want to be associated with us, we don't want to be associated with you. | ||
| Dr. Swain, can you pick up on Larry's, I think, brilliant point that so many of the revolutionary generation and the framers came from divinity schools? | ||
| I had a very deep understanding of the Judeo-Christian West. | ||
| How did that play in here, ma'am? | ||
| I can tell you that those people who have faith are courageous. | ||
| They're willing to risk their lives because they don't have everything. | ||
| You know, they have a stake in a land that they... | ||
| We're pilgrims. | ||
| We're passing through. They don't see this land as their home if they're devout Christian believers. | ||
| And so I think one thing that's missing in today's society is that people are so focused on protecting themselves through human means and protecting their material possessions. | ||
| They are not willing to be courageous. | ||
| They're not willing to stand on values and principles. | ||
| They don't seem to have a sense of What it means to be a principled person. | ||
| What we find with our leaders today is they seem to go issue by issue. | ||
| They don't have a standard set of internal principles to guide their every action. | ||
| And I believe people who are devout believers, not those who are professing to be Christians and professing to be believers, they do have a higher power. | ||
| They're willing to risk their lives on this earth. | ||
| And that's what we saw with those 56 men that signed the Declaration of Independence. | ||
| And that document was written to withstand, you know, the test of time. | ||
| And it is the document that has guided America up to, you know, to this point in a way, I would say the 1960s was when we lost our nation. | ||
| And it was because we had been so generous to allow communists To come into our country, Marxists, and they sowed those seeds that have led us to the place where we are today. | ||
| When you say the 60s, what do you mean about the 60s? | ||
| Because I thought that's when the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, the Immigration Act of Ted Kennedy, the anti-war movement came to a head. | ||
| And the opening up of social norms happened all during the countercultural thing. | ||
| Why would you say we lost our country in the 60s? | ||
| Well, you also got No Fault Divorce. | ||
| You got prayer taken out of school. | ||
| You got Bible reading, you know, taken out of school that had been a part of school days in a mandatory sort of way. | ||
| And you got just the upheaval of our traditional way of life. | ||
| And I would say you got Saul Alinsky. | ||
| You got people that were steeped in Marxism that figured out how to infiltrate our institutions and dismantle them within. | ||
| And one of the things I learned, you know, not so long ago was when Khrushchev said back in, I guess it was 1953, it was before I was born, I will bury you. | ||
| He knew that he was talking about capitalism fall into communism. | ||
| And how we would destroy ourselves from within. | ||
| And that's what's happened. | ||
| And that's why I'm not optimistic about America's future. | ||
| We don't have courageous men and women of principle, even on the Republican side, among those who claim to be Christians. | ||
| So, Dr. Swain just gave it up there. | ||
| I am older than she is, and she's a great-great-grandmother. | ||
| I'm not quite there yet. | ||
| You're just a kid, Dr. | ||
| Swain. I tell you what, we're going to take a break, and I'm going to come back, and I'm going to put this to Larry, too. | ||
| One of the things I just want to reiterate for Schweikert, Dr. | ||
| Swain, when you did the 1776 Commission, part of what your mandate was from President Trump is to do what Larry just recommended, is to have... | ||
| Young people read the Constitution and read the Declaration of Independence and start to understand it by actually reading the court document, correct? | ||
| Right. I mean, other than the fact that the schools have not educated them to the point that many of them can read, what harm would come from reading the court documents? | ||
| I don't understand the fear the left has of knowledge. | ||
| They just want what they can shape. | ||
| And so the great works of the Western world, anything that has values and principles, anything that's original, they don't want our young people exposed to that. | ||
| Dr. Swain, brilliant. | ||
| Hang on. We're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| This is a way to kick off your 4th of July celebration, as you always do here in the war room with our special. | ||
| We have the co-author, The Patriot's History of the United States, and Dr. | ||
| Carol Swain from Vanderbilt University. | ||
| Short commercial break. Be back in a moment. | ||
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Some future day shall crown us the masters of the main. | |
| Our fleet shall speak in thunder to England, France, and Spain. | ||
| Nations... Lift up your hands, ye heroes, and swear with proud disdain. | ||
| The wretch that would ensnare you shall spread his net in vain. | ||
| Should Europe empty, all her force will meet them in array. | ||
| And fight and shout and shout and fight for free American. | ||
| We let fair freedom hither and lower... | ||
| That was just something altogether unexpected. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| you Not only a declaration of our independence, but... | ||
| of the rights of all men. | ||
| This is well said, sir. | ||
| Very, very well said. | ||
| The Christian king of Great Britain has waged cruel war against human nature itself. | ||
| In the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating in carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere. | ||
| Yes, you lay the evils of slavery at the feet of the king, but you say nothing of slavery itself, sir. | ||
| Now, surely, if the trade is outlawed but ownership is not, then those unfortunate Negroes still in servitude will become a more lucrative commodity. | ||
| Well, that's not what I intended, Dr. | ||
| Franklin. Slavery is an abomination and must be loudly proclaimed as such, but I own that neither I nor any man has any immediate solution to the problem. | ||
| Oh, but tis no matter. | ||
| The issue before us is independence and not emancipation. | ||
| Dr. Franklin, this document is... | ||
| It's something our friends in the Congress will debate, but I would be very surprised if they will countenance an attack on slavery. | ||
| Now, we hold these truths to be sacred and undeniable, that all men are created equal, et cetera. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Bye. | ||
| Sacred and undeniable. | ||
| Smacks of the pulpit. | ||
| Does it? | ||
| Ah. These truths are self-evident, are they not? | ||
| Perhaps. Self-evident, then. | ||
| Self-evident? | ||
| Self-evident. Do not mistake me, sir, I... I share your sentiment. | ||
| Every single word was precisely chosen. | ||
| Are you sure you're of that, Dr Franklin? | ||
| Yes, but yours will not be the only hand in this document. | ||
| It cannot be. | ||
| They will try to mangle it, and they may succeed. | ||
| There may be expressions which I would not have inserted if I had drawn it up, but I will defend every word of it. | ||
| Well, it's what I believe. This is a marvellous invention, Mr. | ||
| Jefferson. Yes, I went through a number of variations. | ||
| This is by far the most successful. | ||
| The simplest is always the best. | ||
| It's two seats, and the top one swivels on rollers made from the window sash pulleys. | ||
| Oh, most ingenious. | ||
| Okay, welcome back to our 4th of July special. | ||
| You just saw another clip from HBO, the John Adams series. | ||
| We're cutting back and forth between the HBO and the movie 1776. | ||
| I want to... | ||
| Larry Swankert, when Carol Swain is... | ||
| The founders, the writers of the Declaration, the framers, the revolutionary generation had to cross the Rubicon. | ||
| Could they have conceived of an America? | ||
| Could they have conceived of an American Republic where you didn't have the Bible read in school, that you didn't start services with either some sort of prayer or some sort of outreach to Almighty God or divine providence? | ||
| Would that have been anything from the 60s forward of what's happened with modernity in America? | ||
| Could they have conceived of any of this? | ||
| No. Not in the least. | ||
| I mean, even Jefferson authored the Sabbath law for the state of Virginia. | ||
| Jefferson's supposedly the deist or the atheist, right? | ||
| These are all God-believing men. | ||
| To some degree or other, most of them were Christians. | ||
| George Washington was devout. | ||
| Hamilton was devout as a young man, kind of drifted away from the Lord in his middle age. | ||
| And right before his death, of course, he didn't know he was going to die, but he started becoming a fervent Christian. | ||
| Again, these guys would have said, if this is how this is going to turn out, forget it. | ||
| Just stay with the king. | ||
| It can't be any worse. | ||
| Seriously, if they saw modern America today and you saw these perversions that happened over the last two weekends with these pride marches and what's happening with modern corporate America, do you think they said it's not worth us? | ||
| If this is how it's going to turn out, it's not worth us? | ||
| Because remember, we're coming up on the 250th birthday. | ||
| I want everybody to realize that President Trump selected Dr. | ||
| Swain and others Remember, in Trump's thinking, and this is what's important, it was not to plan the birthday party. | ||
| Is the fleet going to go to New York? | ||
| Are we going to have the biggest fireworks in history? | ||
| Are we going to have a continuous party from one thing to the nation to the other? | ||
| That's very important. | ||
| But that's kind of what Memorial Day and Fourth of July have devolved into. | ||
| Backyard barbecues, going to the beach, watching Jaws about the Fourth of July weekend at that time in Nantucket. | ||
| That's not what the Fourth of July is about. | ||
| That's part of the celebration of it. | ||
| But its core is about this being a republic. | ||
| What was... Done then, what did it mean and what does it mean for us today? | ||
| And particularly what Franklin said, it's a republic if you can keep it. | ||
| And right now that hangs in the balance. | ||
| So, Larry, you wrote, I think, and somebody just asked me last week, they said, hey, can you give me a good history book, one that I could just take in one volume and read? | ||
| And I said, look, I've got a lot of choices, but why don't you take the Patriots' history? | ||
| It's probably the most accessible to go through. | ||
| You wrote the definitive, I think, conservative view of this. | ||
| Would they have put their life on the line? | ||
| Because I'm trying to say, these guys were all part of the system, and something happened in that lead-up to make them say, we're prepared to put it all on the line. | ||
| Because the king sent them a notification. | ||
| You're a traitor. If you do this, you're a traitor to the crown. | ||
| You're a traitor to me personally, the crown. | ||
| And I will take care of it. | ||
| Not to parliament, to the crown. | ||
| What was it, and would they have made that bet if they'd seen where we are in modern 21st century America, sir? | ||
| Well, you know, I was on the 1776 Commission for a week. | ||
| And then I got bumped off, I think, for Ned Ryan. | ||
| I have heard various stories for why I got reassigned to another position, which, of course, the current occupant of the White House fired me from as soon as he got into office. | ||
| But it's important to understand what went on before the declaration. | ||
| In the hundred years before the Declaration, we had become a distinctly different people with distinctly different ideas about what constituted human freedom. | ||
| And it got to the point that virtually everyone believed that freedom was autonomy from the direction, let me put it this way, autonomy from the influence and power of others. | ||
| This is amazing. | ||
| They started to redefine work as industry. | ||
| And something that you sought to do to make the world better. | ||
| And this is so interesting because it even started to affect slaveholders where they thought, well, gee, if I'm not at least out doing some work, I'm not a free man. | ||
| And that your own labor became a part of freedom, which is, of course, what many of the free soilers argued going into the The Civil War. | ||
| So, those men who set up the Declaration had already come to a position that they were, in their minds, in terms of their understanding of what made Liberty, they were completely apart from their Whig cousins over in England. | ||
| Now, if they could look ahead and see what we see now, I don't know. | ||
| I mean, it's hard to predict that they might say, this is not worth it. | ||
| This is not what we want to do. | ||
| And if it's going to come to that, we're going to be slaves either way. | ||
| Might as well just stay where we are. | ||
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| Swain, on the 1776 Commission, is this one of the things you were trying to do, is to give access to those documents, access that history, make sure people understood the 100-year run-up, and to realize what they fought for then and why it's important now, ma'am? That was a part of what we were to do, and we also came up with some directives that we thought were important. | ||
| We felt it was important to reclaim the role of the family. | ||
| We felt that education was essential, and the education should include the basics as well as the civic education, And we also felt that religion and morality was essential to What it means to be an American. | ||
| And when you think about all the diverse peoples that are in America that have come recently, there is nothing to hold us together. | ||
| And the identity politics, the multiculturalism, all of these have become nation destroyers rather than something that can unify us. | ||
| We should be unified by the founding principles And to be unified by principles and values, we have to know what they are. | ||
| And most people don't seem to know. | ||
| And those that do aren't willing to make the necessary sacrifices. | ||
| I believe altruism is just about dead and that people are not willing to risk anything. | ||
| And as far as the founders, I believe that they would have done it all over again and that they would be fighting. | ||
| And it's up to us, I believe, to decide If America is important to us and if America is important to us and we believe that it has been important to the world, I think we need to reclaim What we once stood for. | ||
| And for many people, that means that we have to read the Declaration of Independence again, reread it, read the Constitution, and also read the Bible, know the Ten Commandments, because they have influenced so many of our laws. | ||
| And our nation is in free fall because our people are ignorant. | ||
| They're ignorant of their past. | ||
| They're ignorant of who they are. | ||
| And they're being pitted against one another by those with Marxist roots. | ||
| Their goal is to destroy America. | ||
| Dr. Swain, if you and Larry could just hang on for a second. | ||
| I realize I'm going to lose both of you, but we're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| We've got one more block left here on our 4th of July special. | ||
| I have the co-author of The Patriots' History of the United States, a seminal text. | ||
| If you want to give a great gift to a young person or to yourself, that's it. | ||
| Of course, Dr. Swain, the author of many books, will get all that in the next block. | ||
| Short commercial break. Back in a moment. | ||
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Torn from a world of tyrants Beneath this western sky We've formed a new dominion A land of liberty The world shall own we free Even here and such will ever be Huzzah, ha-huzzah, ha-huzzah For free America Some future days shall crown us the masters of the main. | |
| Our fleet shall speak in thunder to England, France and Spain. | ||
| Nations o'er the ocean spread shall tremble and obey the prince who rules by freedom's laws in North America. | ||
| Lift up your hands, ye heroes, and swear with proud disdain. | ||
| Okay, welcome back to our 4th of July special. | ||
| It's Tuesday, 4th of July in the year of our Lord, 2023. | ||
| Larry, you first, you wrote the kind of definitive history of our time, The Patriot's History of the United States. | ||
| You've written other many, many books after that. | ||
| You have a site. You're putting out information all the time. | ||
| You're one of the first guys to understand the power of the Trump movement, what Trump stood for. | ||
| In the year of our Lord, 2023, what does the Fourth of July mean in America? | ||
| And in your mind, what should it mean? | ||
| Fourth of July is still the founding anniversary of our country. | ||
| And it's interesting that Lincoln, when he gave the Gettysburg Address, Tied the Constitution, as great as it was, back to the Declaration. | ||
| And he said the Constitution is meaningless unless it is dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. | ||
| The Declaration is our proposition that all men are created equal. | ||
| And to me, it's still that touchstone moment in our history Larry, where do people go to get all your books? | ||
| Because you've written so much more than just the Patriot's history and particularly your current commentary and all of it. | ||
| What are your coordinates? How do people get to you? | ||
| I'm at thewildworldofhistory.com. | ||
| And my newest book is my autobiography. | ||
| I don't know if anybody wanted to read it. | ||
| I just wanted to put it together. | ||
| It's called The Rhythm of History, as I went through being a rock drummer to debating financial policy with Milton Friedman on a barge going down the Danube, to teaching aerobics, to writing Thank you. | ||
| Thank you. Amazing. | ||
| Larry, I think it would be worth the price of the autobiography just to get the section on you teaching aerobics. | ||
| So, Larry Swigert, thank you very much on the Fourth of July. | ||
| Have a great rest of the day, sir. | ||
| Appreciate it. Thanks, Steve. | ||
| Dr. Swain, you were selected by President Trump because of your deep, profound understanding of this nation. | ||
| So it's the question of you. Somebody was planning about how to get the country up to speed for the 250th anniversary. | ||
| What does it mean for you in the year of our Lord, 2023, the 4th of July? | ||
| And what should it mean for folks in this country? | ||
| To me, it's a reminder of what made America great because it provided the foundation that, you know, guided the Constitution And we have survived as a nation for so long because we have been a nation that when we made mistakes, we knew how to change them. | ||
| We were based on principles that were enduring, universal truths, and our biblical foundations. | ||
| That's one reason that we have survived as long as we have. | ||
| All of that is being jeopardized. | ||
| It's being eroded. | ||
| And I'm not very optimistic about the future of America. | ||
| And I think about that Reagan quote, which if you don't mind, I'd like to read it. | ||
| Reagan said, freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. | ||
| We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. | ||
| It must be fought for, protected and handed on for them to do the same or one day We would spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. | ||
| And I feel like We're living that right now. | ||
| And I'm already having those conversations about what America once was like. | ||
| And I believe if we would go back to those founding documents, if we would go back to the Declaration of Independence, if we would read the Constitution, memorize the Bill of Rights, read the Ten Commandments, read those biblical documents, We would have something that could glue us together across racial, ethnic, partisan lines. | ||
| I mean, we should be a greater nation than we are right now. | ||
| Right now, we're in free fall. | ||
| Dr. Swain, last thing. | ||
| You alluded to it a couple of times. | ||
| Can any of this be done unless you have a profound understanding of the Bible? | ||
| I don't think so because it takes courage. | ||
| You have to be selfless. | ||
| And there's so many people that are prideful, and they're not willing to humble themselves. | ||
| And I believe that if we put less focus on ourselves and more focus on the greater good of the nation, that we could do mighty things because we would not be doing it in our own strength. | ||
| And when I think about President Trump, you know, and we all know that President Trump is a great man, that he's been treated unfairly, but I believe that if he would Instead of trusting, you know, lawyers and media and all of these people, | ||
| the advisors who have misled him and betrayed him over the years, if he would really humble himself and present his case, you know, to the almighty God who's still powerful, who's still involved in divine providence, I believe things could turn around for him because all things are possible with God. | ||
| But Man does not have the ability to solve these problems on their own. | ||
| We're dealing with real evil in this nation and in this world. | ||
| And evil can only be combated through greater powers that would come from reliance on God Almighty. | ||
| Dr. Swain, where do people go to you? | ||
| We got about a minute. Where do people go to you to get all your writings, everything you put out, your news service, all of it? | ||
| All right, I have two websites. | ||
| One is carolmswayne.com. | ||
| Another is bethepeoplenews.com, where I post my interviews. | ||
| And I'm on Twitter. | ||
| I'm on Gitter. I don't have many followers there. | ||
| I'm on True Social. And I'm on Facebook. | ||
| And so please follow me and share my posts. | ||
| I'm very active posting my thoughts. | ||
| You are a powerhouse, and it's an honor to have you on here. | ||
| And thank you for being our co-host, Dr. | ||
| Carol Swain. Her books are incredible. | ||
| Her writings are incredible. | ||
| President Trump knew what he was doing when he picked her. | ||
| Trust me, she's a powerhouse. | ||
| Thank you very much, ma'am. Okay, short commercial break. | ||
| We're going to return in the second hour for our annual special. | ||
| It's 4 July in the year of our Lord, 2023. | ||
| We're going to talk about 1776 when we return. | ||
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