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We must give shape to a new world order.
Consideration, care and concern are the need of power.
Giving a voice to the Global South is the way forward.
That is why I firmly believe that the African Union be given Full membership of G20. We must revive multilateralism and reform multilateral institutions.
With better resources, And representation that applies to all our global institutions of governance, especially the United Nations.
When the world has changed, our institutions too must change.
Or risk getting replaced by a world of Rivalries without rules in working for a new world order based on international law, Our two countries will be at the forefront as partners.
Mr. Speaker and distinguished members, today we stand at a new dawn in our relationship that will not only shape the destiny of our two nations, but also that of the world.
As a young American poet, Amada Goman has expressed, when day comes, we step out of the shield.
A flame and unappraid, the new dawn blooms as we free it.
For there is always light if only we are brave enough to see it.
Our trusted partnership is like the sun in this new dawn that will spread light all around.
Thank you.
I am reminded of a poem that I once wrote.
Aasmaan mein sir utha kar.
Aasmaan mein sir utha kar.
Ghanay badalo ko cheeer kar.
of the world.
I am sure that you will be very happy.
If I were to say it in English...
it would be rising its head in the skies, piercing through the dense clouds with the promise of light.
The sun has just risen, armed with a deep resolve, overcoming all the odds.
to dispel the forces of darkness.
The sun has just risen.
Applause Mr. Speaker and distinguished members, we come from different circumstances and history, but we are united by a common vision.
And by a common destiny, when our partnership progresses, economic resilience increases, innovation grows, science flourishes, knowledge advances, humanity benefits, our seas and skies are safer.
Democracy will shine brighter and the world will be a better place.
That is the mission of our partnership.
That is our calling for this century.
Mr. Speaker and distinguished members, even by the high standards of our partnership, this visit is one of the great positive transformation.
Together, we shall demonstrate That democracies matter and democracies deliver.
I count on your continued support to the India-US partnership.
When I was here in 2016, I said that our relationship is prime for a momentous future.
That future is today.
Thank you once again Mr.
Speaker, Madam Vice President, and the distinguished members of this honour, God bless America, Jahin, long live India-US friendship.
steve bannon
Thank you. You just heard the end of Prime Minister Modi's quite epic speech, I think an hour and 15 minutes long, to the combined House and Senate.
They're very ceremonial, very powerful.
Remember, Modi is probably the world's, now that Donald Trump is in bed, minister, waiting to return to the Imperial City as president, the 47th president of the United States, probably the biggest nationalist in the world.
is Modi. Quite powerful.
We'll get into that in a moment. Let me bring in Seb Gorka.
Seb, I know you're under time pressure.
First off, give me a minute or two on Modi, the importance of this speech today, particularly given what's happening in Cuba with the CCP. Modi, the Quad, our Indo-Pacific strategy, Seb Gorka.
sebastian gorka
Yeah, I mean, things have changed so much since the Cold War.
I know you remember intimately how the non-aligned block of nations was a thorn in the side in stabilizing that part of the world.
Pakistan, not an ideal partner for the United States.
And then the overtures constantly being made by the Soviet Union to India.
That's ancient history.
This is a nation that we have to have on our side.
To take on and, if necessary, defeat the greatest strategic threat to Western civilization, which is China.
Yes, there's a war in Russia.
Yes, Iran is out there.
Yes, North Korea with, you know, little Kim and his nukes is a problem.
But as I learned from you, truly, as a, you know, counterterrorism guy when I came into the White House, China, China, China is number one.
And we cannot Defend America and the future of this nation without India being on our side in this war.
So if you look at, you know, it could be 1962 again, the idea that we have a communist dictatorship that is potentially more powerful than the Soviet Union, building military bases less than 90 miles off the shore of America on the island of Cuba.
Yeah, India is a non-negotiable part of the geopolitical jigsaw puzzle.
steve bannon
And as you remember, Seb, during the Cuban Missile Crisis, China unleashed a massive military attack on India.
They had the China-India War in 1962.
You had a very special guest on your show today.
I want to pivot to that because this is all of a piece.
Quite ironic that Modi was here today.
Let's go ahead and play that. Can we play Seb's interview with the President of the United States?
donald j trump
This is an affront like I think I've never seen.
I think this may go to the top of the list, other than the way we left Afghanistan with the surrender, the way what they did, leaving that $85 billion worth of equipment, 13 dead soldiers, many very, very horrifically wounded, leaving Americans.
But this is one of the greatest affronts that they would We essentially have military bases going up in Cuba now, and the Cuban people aren't going to stand for it either.
The Cuban people are so great in Miami.
No, it would have never happened.
If that did happen, I would say within 48 hours, you have 48 hours to get out.
And if you don't get out, we will put sanctions and we will put tariffs on China, the likes of which no country has ever seen before.
And as you know, I did take in hundreds of billions of dollars from China and not one president took in anything.
But I would put tariffs on the likes of which no country has ever seen before, including China.
steve bannon
So, Seb, you broke a lot of news today.
Walk us through what we just heard.
sebastian gorka
Yeah, first things first, kudos to the president's team and to the War Room team.
I finished that interview with the boss 12 minutes ago, and you're already running clips of it on your show.
That's quite smooth, quite smooth, Steve.
Look, we had him on the show for more than half an hour.
We went through the gamut of issues from Schiff to Hunter Biden to what's happening in the two-tier justice system to Durham to why.
The question I really wanted to ask him is why on earth is he doing this again?
Why is he putting himself and his family through all of that?
But the first question is, you know, for you and I, national security wonks, is the key question.
And I always find it amusing, I'm sure you do too, when people ask, what does he mean that he'll end the war in Ukraine in 24 hours?
How is he going to do that? Because he's Trump.
And you know as well as I do in that explanation when he said, yeah, if we, you and I, and everybody listening, does our part, and we get him back into the White House for a second term, you know that within 48 hours he will have unleashed the hounds of hell onto Beijing in a trade-sanctioned trade war, the likes of which even the first four years of the Trump administration will look weak by comparison, and China will de-escalate.
People ask, you know, how's he going to do that?
Steve, because he's Trump, because they're afraid of him.
I'd like to remind everybody out there, when we were in the White House, what happened in Syria?
We saw the, you know, the information, 300 Wagner guys running around.
These were basically, you know, the Kremlin's hitmen running around Syria.
What did President Trump do? He told that little poodle, that feckless little, you know, war poodle, Mattis.
Kill them all now.
Within 48 hours, the Wagner Group special forces in Syria were red mist.
No president, not even Reagan, has killed 300 Russians in a theater of war.
Nobody, not since 1917.
Steve, what did Vlad do?
What did Putin do?
He so crapped himself, he didn't even hold a press conference.
about Americans droning and killing 300 Russians on Syrian soil.
That's how President Trump gets stuff done.
Not by intervening and invading, but by, you know, you threaten us or you threaten regions that are important to us.
We'll send you a message.
steve bannon
Interdiction. Seb, I know you've got to bounce, so I just want to hold you for a few minutes on the other side.
We've got Seb Gorka, Geostrategic Big Day, Modi and Congress at the White House, a CCP PLA base going up in Cuba.
And Modi's talk today to Congress talked about making the African Union part of the G20, talked about the BRICS, a changing world order with India as a key ally.
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steve bannon
It was Cash, myself, and Jeff Clark was by Skype, and we were just lighting up Durham, and quite frankly, even lighting up Jim Jordan for trying to make a saint at Durham.
It's humiliating, it's embarrassing, and the House has got to immediately start subpoenaing people and continue on this investigation.
sebastian gorka
Your thoughts? Yeah, where is the OG, Jim Jordan?
Where is the fighter, the wrestler that we came to love?
I mean, you know, we've got to doff our caps to what Matt Gaetz did.
Matt Gaetz called him out.
I mean, this is, look, we get the left.
They're radicals. They hate America.
They want to destroy it.
Look what they did to Adam Schiff.
Adam Schiff is the most mandatious person in D.C. There is nobody who lies more than he does to the American people.
That takes some doing.
And they cheered him.
I mean, that's the left.
We get it. But when somebody who's supposed to be a neutral man of the law, like John Durham, stands there and says, yeah, I had lots of FBI agents apologize to me, say sorry because laws weren't followed.
What do you mean laws weren't followed?
You mean crimes were committed by agents of the FBI, and you're just reporting their apologies instead of arresting them?
You're the special counsel.
And he has the audacity to say, yeah, yeah, the FBI didn't interview the relevant people when the Russia dossier was floated by the Hillary campaign.
To ascertain its veracity, you mean like you didn't interview the architects of Russia collusion for the next three years.
This guy didn't have the ball, Steven, to even request an interview with James Comey, with Stroke or McCabe.
That was your only job.
Your job was to get to the bottom of the cover-up of Hillary Clinton's email server investigation and to get to the bottom of who instigated, who is responsible for the biggest threat to U.S. democracy since the Civil War.
Let's be clear. Operation Crossfire Hurricane, never before in U.S. history, have three agencies, the NSA, the FBI, and the CIA, targeted a president It's a presidential campaign based upon fake opposition research that was garnered from a Russian agent sitting at the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C. He couldn't even interview them, let alone charge them and arrest them.
Matt Gaetz is right.
John Durham, Steve, is part of the cover-up.
He unveiled himself, he revealed himself for being part of the deep state.
And he took our coin for five years.
steve bannon
Seb, do you want to see Jim Jordan's committee now take that report and go with it, subpoena these guys and get to the bottom of this and maybe even have another special counsel appointed?
Do you want to continue this investigation?
sebastian gorka
Yeah, look, the president is very interesting.
If you listen, we had President Trump on the show for more than half an hour.
We didn't have any breaks.
We just blew through the breaks.
Three times he said, you've got to read the report.
There are dozens of fascinating and disturbing nuggets is the word he used.
The proof of the deep state and the Biden corruption and the Obama corruption.
Remember, Crossfire Hurricane was okayed, was briefed to Obama and Biden in 2016.
So, yeah, take, you know, for all of the cuckold.
steve bannon
Don't bury the lead in the Oval Office with Brennan and all of them, right?
unidentified
Right, with Brennan and Comey.
sebastian gorka
Right? This is, you know, Dan Bongino's right.
This isn't about Biden.
This is about protecting Obama.
All of the trails lead to Obama in 16.
So, you know, for all of his cowardice, take what this man did reveal and have, you know, Eric, the business partner to the Bidens, have all of these people, Devin Archer, subpoenaed in open session under oath.
Do it, Jim.
We want the old Jim Jordan back.
steve bannon
Let me have the impeachment clip.
unidentified
Can I play that? Oh my God, Mr.
Speaker. Let's get real here.
Nothing about this is serious.
Not the process, not the intentions of the resolution sponsor, not the impeachment case, not a single damn thing.
Yesterday, Republicans dishonored this House and dishonored themselves by bringing to the floor a ridiculous censure resolution against Adam Schiff because Donald Trump told them to.
And today, they're dishonoring this House and dishonoring themselves by bringing to the floor a ridiculous impeachment referral resolution against Joe Biden because Donald Trump told them to.
This party has become a place where extreme, outlandish, and nutty issues get debated passionately, and important ones not at all.
In short, Mr. Speaker, the Republican Party is a joke.
steve bannon
Okay, Seb, that vote, that was Boebert's.
It passed, but he passed to send it to Homeland Security Committee and Judiciary for further investigation for the impeachment.
Your thoughts? Is this a waste of time, or is this important?
sebastian gorka
Look, I consider you and Newt Gingrich to be the smartest political minds in the US and then VDH to be the smartest strategic mind.
Newt on my show today said, it's too early.
The impeachment, you've got to have hearings and then a vote to impeach.
I get that.
It's a process thing.
But at the same time, why did we win the House?
What are the American people demanding?
They won. We want action.
We are months into a new house.
We have to see action.
So to quote somebody who will remain nameless, who's one of the good guys on Capitol Hill, I asked them, what's the plan?
What is the GOP doing with Biden and the corruption and Hunter and everything else?
And I said, do they have a strategy?
Very simple question. Does Comer have a strategy?
And the person I spoke to, one of the good guys said, no, there is no strategy.
They are shooting a BB gun at the Death Star.
Steve, I didn't pay for that.
I didn't vote for that, right?
BB guns at the Death Star?
I want to have somebody fly down that trench and drop those torpedoes down the exhaust hole.
steve bannon
That's what I want. I tell you what, Seb, I know you've got to bounce.
We're going to come back and talk about China and Cuba and Modi's speech, all of it.
But in summary, your take on what President Trump said today about Cuba on your show, about this Chinese situation.
Give me a minute on what he said to you.
sebastian gorka
It's a Sputnik moment, Steve.
It's a Sputnik moment.
I mean, this is when you have to wake up.
I mean, there are people alive today.
My parents, you know, you were getting cans of baked beans and hoarding them in the cellar in October of 62 because you realize this might be it.
Well, guess what?
When we came into the White House, nobody talks about this, China's economy was actually bigger than the United States.
When we entered the White House, and now we have a nation that has declared war on us, unrestricted warfare, one belt, one road, and they're building bases?
Literally a stone's throw from Miami.
This is why we need President Trump back.
This is clear and present.
This is the definition of a clear and present danger.
And people need to wake up.
And that's why we need President Trump back.
There's nobody out there who will take it to the Chinese.
DeSantis isn't going to take it to the Chinese.
unidentified
Are you kidding me? Come on!
steve bannon
And he said 48 hours.
sebastian gorka
Yes! 48 hours, he will unleash the hounds of hell on China in terms of trade sanctions, limitations of economic cooperation, and they will shrivel up and die because President Trump is serious.
Get your stinking troops off Cuban soil.
steve bannon
Seb, how do people get to your content?
sebastian gorka
Seb Gorka, Sebastian Gorka, just plug those in on the internet, sebastiangorka.com, Truth Social, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram.
Forget the fascists at YouTube.
And then my Substack, I've got a long-haul flight tonight.
I'll be writing a piece on what the president said on the show today.
Go to sebastiangorka.substack.com and, of course, our Rumble channel for America First.
Be there, guys. It's up to us.
steve bannon
Seb, thanks for carving out the time today and great interview with the president.
By the way, it must have been very important.
For the guys at Salem who are tight as ticks, for those guys to blow through breaks, that shows you how monumental that interview was.
So congratulations. Blowing a break on Salem Radio.
They're our first.
No comment. Thank you, brother.
I'm joined now by Congressman Matt Gaetz.
We're going to play your clip from the other day on use of military force.
But real quickly, we've got a minute here before we go to break.
Tell me about the impeachment vote today and what's happening there.
There's been a firestorm all around this city, I think, about it.
matt gaetz
The ball's rolling, and I'm proud of Congresswoman Lauren Boebert for forcing the issue and getting the House of Representatives, I think, in the right posture to be able to consider this thoughtfully.
steve bannon
Because it got talked about in the conference a lot, right?
And you had 218 votes?
matt gaetz
I didn't go to that conference because they scheduled it at the same time as the Durham hearing, and I had work to do.
steve bannon
The Durham hearing.
We had a question on this.
You know, Filipowski's already put it up from this morning, but we had an observation.
I had incorrectly said yesterday when we started, I said, well, you know, we missed Matt Gaetz because it started at 9 and Matt's always at the top of the order given his seniority and how much Chairman Jordan thinks of his line of questioning.
And then later I was told that you batted last.
We got 30 seconds. How did that go down?
Because it was mesmerizing how you handled it.
matt gaetz
Well, Jim Jordan is my mentor, my hero in Congress, and I'm happy to take my five minutes whenever he thinks it's appropriate for me to have it.
steve bannon
He had a strategic plan.
matt gaetz
Sometimes we hold some of our heavy hitters later to that cleanup.
In this case, I think it's that I had a different position than virtually every other Republican, and so they wanted those folks to get their argument out, and I was last because I had a contrarian view, and my view is that John Durham wasn't there To call the FBI out on their tomfoolery, he was there to be the last leg of a cover-up.
steve bannon
Not tomfoolery. You said this was an op.
That was powerful. Short break.
matt gaetz
Congressman Gates on the other side.
Part of China's leveraged buyout of Russia has been them taking control of Russian property and Russian assets in Cuba and then vastly improving those.
So, like, whereas we didn't really care too much about the Russians having 1960s technology 90 miles south of Florida, we are increasingly concerned and should be a lot more concerned that China right now is functionally turning Cuba into a stationary aircraft carrier right off the coast of Florida.
And so I do not offer this authorization to use military force.
As in any way an effort to spark or provoke war.
I loathe war.
I stand against war.
I try to wind them down when we can.
But in this case, I believe giving the president the authority to take out these Chinese assets in Cuba might be the very thing necessary to prevent war.
To deter the Chinese from putting this in.
And it is amazing to me how much we have allowed the Monroe Doctrine to just atrophy right out from underneath us.
We would never have allowed these types of encroachments by China into Latin America, into the Bahamas, the Caribbean, Cuba, if we really cared about the Monroe Doctrine.
So while the Foreign Affairs Committee has unfortunately asserted equities here, and I'll have to withdraw the amendment, I do think...
steve bannon
Having gotten to know you over the last couple of years, you really are probably one of the most important public intellectuals about America First and the national security policy.
And the amazing thing is you represent one of the greatest naval bases and naval air stations in the world, and where we train all the Navy pilots.
And you are more than anybody.
You're not that you're a dove, but you're against the interventionism, and you're kind of an anti-war guy.
You've been fighting about the authorization of military use on these other open-ended 20 years, and you've been talking about Biden.
How about come and get a war powers thing on Ukraine?
What brought this up?
This kind of came out of nowhere.
matt gaetz
I have been watching China's activities in Cuba for quite some time because it's not just the naval air training that's in my district.
Eglin Air Force Base has the most exquisite, high-end, air-to-air, sea-to-land, live-fire testing in the world.
That's the United States Air Force Base, Eglin Air Force Base, Tyndall Air Force Base, MacDill Air Force Base.
They all do this very important testing over the Gulf of Mexico.
I've worked to enhance that range with hundreds of millions of dollars.
And then I start to get briefings.
The Chinese are moving into some of these old Russian facilities where they can't even get the fuel there to turn the lights on.
So we weren't really worried about these kind of old, decrepit Russian assets that were lying around.
But then you start to see antennas go up.
Then you start to see the Chinese show up.
Then you start to see major infrastructure enhancements.
Then you start to see them build their resiliency.
As I said in the Armed Services Committee, Cuba is becoming a stationary Chinese aircraft carrier 90 miles from the coast of Florida.
And so I don't know if I'm a dove, some people call me that, but I just try to be a realist.
Imagine caring more about Somalia and Syria than Cuba.
Imagine being more invested in which guy in a sweatsuit gets to run Crimea Than in whether or not the Chinese can collect signals intelligence from virtually every state south of the Mason-Dixon line and east of Texas.
They would be able to watch our nuclear submarines with absolute precision coming and going from Kings Bay with these These capabilities that they are building up in Cuba.
steve bannon
But they can also flip to artificial intelligence.
They can go to cyber warfare, take down the grid.
They could do anything from there.
unidentified
Right. These are the nukes of the Cuban Missile Crisis.
matt gaetz
That's what people don't understand.
steve bannon
The nukes are a 20th century technology.
matt gaetz
Right, so if we cared enough about the Monroe Doctrine and about the Western Hemisphere, and for goodness sake, our own neighborhood in the Caribbean, if we cared as much about that today as we did during the standoff in the Cuban Missile Crisis, we would never allow these Chinese assets to be built.
And you know who would never put up with this nonsense either?
The Israelis. Like, when the Iranians started to try to build some of these cyber capabilities and military capabilities in parts of Syria, the Israelis just went and wiped them out.
Took them out. We could send a drone swarm down there to obliterate this stuff.
And I believe that in our hemisphere, it would be an entirely appropriate thing to do.
steve bannon
Okay, full stop. Are what you saying by you want a authorization of the use of military force?
Yeah. Are you saying, I want to skip...
The ratcheting up.
I want to stop. No sanctions.
No cutting off the Capitol.
Give them 72 hours to remove it.
matt gaetz
Hey, by the way, if sanctions worked in Cuba, Cuba would be a Caribbean Garden of Eden, not a hellscape.
So this lurch to sanctions is one that I do not share.
You know why? It's a pretty dumb thing to be printing dollars like they're going out of style while at the same time just marking off various areas of the energy economy and other vectors of the economy to say we don't want the dollar used there.
Hey, how about this?
Maybe instead of drawing the dollar out of international circulation and printing more of them, we should actually want more people to have the dollar and we should husband the dollar as a critical American institution.
I'm always attacked by the media and the left because they say Matt Gaetz is a danger to our institutions.
Well, how about the freaking dollar as an institution of American life?
And how about the hardworking Americans who've done everything right and now are afraid that they're going to outlive their money?
steve bannon
Have had 15% devaluation of their own currency drop in purchasing power in the last two years.
matt gaetz
Sanctions don't help you. So if you're watching this and you're worried about inflation and your 401k and your savings account, these sanctions that they do against Russia, Belarus, all these other countries, they don't enhance the economic standing of our country.
steve bannon
It breaks in Durban in 60 days.
We're starting to launch a new thing with Birch Gold.
Go to birchgold.com right now slash Bannon to get the road to Durban.
It's about the Durban Accords.
They're going to have a package, a bundle, something as an alternative to the dollar in 60 days, brought to you by Wall Street, the Federal Reserve, and the Biden Treasury Department.
I just want to go back over this, because President Trump just came on subsidizing, and his first take is that, hey, 48 hours sanctions.
matt gaetz
No, I think President Trump's right about a warning, right?
But I would not convert that warning to an economic consequence, which is a fiction.
We have to threaten kinetic when it comes to Cuba.
And by the way, that's not even a radical position.
It's a position that we've had since the 1960s.
You don't get to put stuff in Cuba that could obliterate the United States.
And the cyber capabilities that are being built up now could lead to that with just as much likelihood as nuclear weapons and missiles.
steve bannon
You brought up a concept today, and a lot of people are going, what's he talking about?
The Monroe Doctrine. Talk to us about the Monroe Doctrine.
And now you've got the outpost in the Bahamas.
You've got the fentanyl coming up through Mexico.
You've got Lula in Brazil that kowtows to them.
The CCP is all over from the Caribbean to Latin America to Central America.
I hear there are 10,000.
Somebody said, I've heard that the Intelligence Committee knows that of this invasion on our southern border, there are 10,000 members of the PLA have come up through there.
Tell us about the Monroe Doctrine and what is Matt Gaetz's theory of it?
matt gaetz
The Monroe Doctrine quite simply says the Western Hemisphere, Latin America, this is our area of influence on our side of the Atlantic and we do not allow other foreign powers to come into the Caribbean, into Latin America and establish their economic, diplomatic, military presence contrary to America's interests.
And what happened through the Jimmy Carter era and the Obama era We became more accommodating because the theory of the case coming out of the Georgetown School of Foreign Service is that if we bring these other foreign powers closer to us, to Latin America, well, that'll actually make them more like us.
The reality is it's not just the Chinese.
What the Chinese are doing with space cooperation in Latin America is deeply, deeply troubling from an economic standpoint and a kinetic standpoint.
But it's also the Turks. The Turks are propping up the lira right now with gold that they are getting out of Venezuela.
The Russians provided the muscle for Maduro.
The Iranians have relationships with the Venezuelans that allow travel.
steve bannon
They're trying to do port calls in Brazil, the Iranian Navy.
matt gaetz
And then you take that dynamic with foreign major power competition playing out, and then you start eviscerating borders.
Because with the multinational criminal organizations and the cartels essentially playing the banana republic game down there, you have borders that start to erode, foreign powers that start to come in, and America's influence is not only our influence is diminished, our safety and our security is diminished.
And if we can't even get serious, about the CCP setting up in Cuba, then why do we send $886 billion every year over the Pentagon?
I mean, at that point, you might as well just wave the white flag of surrender and teach your kids Mandarin.
steve bannon
You're known as the anti-neocon.
matt gaetz
Yes, I am not a neoconservative.
Put this in perspective. I hope that gives me credibility when I speak of these things, because I'm the one bringing votes to the floor to get us out of Ukraine, to get us out of Somalia, to get us out of Syria.
I was a critic of the length of time that we've spent in Afghanistan and Iraq.
I've seen these wars savage communities and people and family and marriages my whole life.
But the reason we make these investments, the reason I'm always for military spending, We've got to be able to protect the homeland.
And this is a serious threat.
This is a Chinese aircraft carrier that they are converting the island of Cuba into.
That is how you have to think about it.
steve bannon
Talk to me about Blinken, Tripp, the comments and Biden's handling of this and this administration's handling of this entire situation.
matt gaetz
The Blinken trip, you cannot evaluate it as a capsule all to itself.
This really starts in Alaska, where the Chinese show up, berate our officials, walk out, humiliate us.
steve bannon
The first month of the administration.
matt gaetz
Blinken trip now on the on the heels of that after I had to cancel before over the you know they were yelling at the spy balloon to figure out what its pronouns were and Blinken just the body language right you can watch his comments there with the sound off and it is a man in retreat and and sadly that's not who you want to send to face down these criminals in Beijing.
It's not even a sincere, like, forced posture on the part of the United States.
It is hand in hand, and the Chinese are playing the Americans like fools.
steve bannon
Do you think they're going to try to be some trade-off now?
Oh, maybe we'll do something, get out of Cuba, but they're going to link it to Taiwan?
matt gaetz
Well, hey, let me be very clear.
I care more about Cuba than I care about Taiwan.
When it comes to Cuba, we're playing a home game.
When it comes to Taiwan, we're playing an away game.
steve bannon
But what do you do with the chips? I mean, right now, if they had the chip comparison?
matt gaetz
Well, listen, we're making more chips in our country.
It's going to be about 10 years. And also, I think there are other places in the world that are ramping up, like India.
We just heard Modi address this chips issue a great deal.
And we shouldn't be that resilient.
Maybe your blender is not going to be able to speak seven languages.
Maybe you actually have to roll down the window in your car.
Oh, no! We won't be able to get the chips from Taiwan.
We'll be launched all the way back to 1996.
How will America survive?
The notion that we've got to go to war over some freaking chips, I do not abide.
steve bannon
I told you he's the anti-neocon.
Real quickly, we're going to keep you through the break.
But Modi's speech, your assessment.
matt gaetz
Yeah, I... I have admired some of Modi's work where he sought to assert Indian nationalism.
I don't know who the speechwriter was on this one, but it sure leaned into a lot of these globalist institutions and entities.
It was a cat bath for the UN and their mission, and I think the biggest signal in that whole speech was when he talked about the Indo-PACOM region, and he said that his goal was not to contain.
We will not contain.
That is the signal Not the noise.
steve bannon
Also pumped up the BRICS. He's a big part of the BRICS. He's going to meet in Durban.
Okay, short commercial break. Congressman, you're going to stick with us.
We're going to talk about strategy and tactics on the seizure of the House floor.
And maybe some other things are happening.
Congressman Matt Gaetz joins us.
I want to thank you a lot here for dropping by.
Short break. Back in the warm in a moment.
matt gaetz
Bring it on and I will fight to the end.
unidentified
Just watch and see. It's all started.
Everything's begun.
And you are over.
Cause we're taking down the CCP. Spread the word all through Hong Kong.
We will fight till they're all gone.
We rejoice when there's no more.
Let's take down the CCP. What we're doing?
I'm sorry, is that what? Was finding out who Mifsud was, what you were doing?
steve bannon
We pursued that avenue, yes.
matt gaetz
Right, but was he...
This whole thing was an op, Mr.
Durham. This wasn't like a bumbling, fumbling FBI that, like, couldn't get FISA straight.
They ran an op.
So who put Mifsud in play?
You don't know, do you?
unidentified
I do not know that.
steve bannon
Okay, I've got the real thing here.
But this, of the entire hearing, and look, There's no stronger supporters of Jim Jordan than the War Room and the War Room Posse.
But I just didn't get the whole thing when it started with the kind of sane-y Durham.
I'm kind of waiting there. We didn't even know.
You came in- That question is the most important question of the entire hearing.
matt gaetz
The frustration that my constituents have is we're millions of dollars into this, years into this, and we don't know who ordered the op.
Isn't that the fundamental question when Biden and Susan Rice and Comey and Clapper- Explain that to the American people.
steve bannon
When you said this is not just some bumbling guys or some overreaching guys, this was an op.
unidentified
What do you mean by that? Without being a conspiracy theory guy.
matt gaetz
I'm not a conspiracy.
You know, they all say it's a conspiracy theory until then later they have to admit it's true.
They said that my perspective on this was a conspiracy theory until the Durham report comes out.
But Durham made sure that it was only flesh wounds on the deep state, that he didn't go for any of the vital organs.
And that was really my critique. But here's what I mean about it being an op, Steve.
What they wanted to do was use national security tools to be able to surveil and harm President Trump's campaign.
And the only way they were going to do that was by manufacturing an illusory predicate.
And so they figure out that they need to go find somebody to just to puppet so that that person will say something that they can lash a predicate to.
And so they go and send this FBI employee, this attractive woman as a honeypot to go and gaslight George Papadopoulos.
And then they've got this kind of interesting professor guy who says, hey, to Papadopoulos, you know, Russia's got all this dirt on Hillary Clinton and we could make a deal.
Whoever ordered MIFSA to do this is the actual true culprit of the Russia.
Who ordered the honeypot? And the fact that my friends and colleagues would sit there for hours and...
Go back and forth with Durham as if all of these surface level issues about the FBI being corrupt and some of their people being bust, as if that's the real thing.
That's noise. The signal is this was an operation, someone ordered it, and because they got away with it, they will do it again.
And we see the pattern recognition because Very similar to the Hunter Biden laptop thing, right?
An op gets called by Mike Morrell, the former acting head of the CIA. These are not grundoons, okay?
This is the elite level of the deep state.
An op gets called, they run it, and they're able to shape the outcome of elections as a consequence.
In a way, the Russia hoax was really the trial run for what they ended up doing on the Hunter Biden laptop.
steve bannon
Go back. You say get to the heart of this, the main thing about the op.
You sit on judiciary.
That report doesn't have to end this.
Can't you as judiciary, with Jim Jordan and yourself, take this as a predicate and go forward with this?
matt gaetz
Our work does continue, and I am working with my colleagues on the Judiciary Committee to ripen these questions, to get them going.
But the inevitable question from the posse is, so then who goes to jail for all this?
And the reality is, for probably a lot of good reasons, the United States Congress can't put handcuffs on anybody, and the folks at the Department of Justice are wearing the jersey of the other team.
steve bannon
But you could do the work so that when we take over in January 25, we're set to go, right?
matt gaetz
Well, we have to get an Attorney General with some gumption.
steve bannon
Maybe that guy's Matt Gaetz.
Real quickly, how are we doing on all the other strategic issues you deal with every day?
First, I want to ask you about appropriation.
matt gaetz
Yeah, I'm worried about the spending.
steve bannon
And this whole thing about there's a floor, there's a ceiling, 2022.
Where are we heading? And rescissions, isn't this a lot of also just, you know...
matt gaetz
Here's the real math that matters.
From 2019, which is the pre-COVID level baseline, to 2023, we've seen an increase in 40% in spending.
That is so ridiculous.
We need severe austerity in order to be able to resolve the financial crisis that we're in.
So here's what our leadership is telling us.
Well, we'll budget to the 2022 levels, which is a little bit less.
And we think, okay, well, that's at least a cut, step in the right direction.
But then we find out that the only way that they achieve the 2022 levels is with some budgetary gimmicks called rescissions, where they just move cash around among a bunch of government accounts.
And the reason that's so offensive to us who want to put downward pressure on spending is because when you achieve the lower spending level through rescissions alone, Then you are avoiding the programmatic reform that actually creates long-term savings.
And so they're playing short-term gimmicks to create the illusion of a spending cut.
But what our Appropriations Committee is working on right now is a spending level that I would not be able to support.
And here's how they'll try to bait conservatives.
They'll say, oh, well, we've got all these policy provisions in our spending bill that say, oh, you can't spend money on Critical Race Theory or DEI, and so you really want to vote for all that policy, so you should accept a higher level of top-line spending.
The bottom line is if the dollar crashes and the American economy starts to condense, all of the policy in the world is not going to save you from your ultimate fate of becoming a serf in this country.
And so I'm encouraging people to really look at the overall spending picture, not just a morsel here or there of what we're able to do to paper cut the deep state.
We've got to go right to the dagger in the heart.
steve bannon
Walk me through just scheduling on a critical path.
You're gone. You guys come back the week after the 4th of July.
This is the 4th of July recess.
You've got about three weeks, and then you go August recess.
You're not back until after Labor Day.
So you've got three weeks in July, essentially, two and a half weeks to three weeks in July, and then three weeks in September.
The last time I looked, that's six weeks.
matt gaetz
We are not on schedule to create the spending cuts that will save the country.
I believe we should cancel August recess.
We should have a more rigorous budget review and appropriations process.
And we should invigorate the country around the idea of spending cuts.
Look, let me give Speaker McCarthy his due.
When he was out there actually debating Biden in the media and in the press on spending cuts, we were totally winning.
And then we gave up the game by underwriting all of the debt.
So let's get back to some of those winning plays.
steve bannon
The news here, you're saying cancel August recess.
matt gaetz
Absolutely. We are not in a position right now to force the spending cuts that are necessary.
We should cancel August recess.
We should stay in town. We should tweeze through these budgets.
And we should deliver wins, concrete wins, not happy talk.
steve bannon
30 seconds of social media.
How do people get to you to follow you?
matt gaetz
Oh, at Matt Gates, at RepMattGates.
Those are my two accounts. I've got a podcast called Firebrand folks like sometimes.
steve bannon
It's fantastic. Okay, we've got another hour coming up.
Stick around, Natalie Winters.
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