Knowledge Fight Interactive Search Tool

All Episodes

Previous Next

May 27, 2023 - Bannon's War Room

47:10

Episode 2764: The Rain Of Hellfire

Participants

Main voices

jack posobiec

27:16

steve bannon

14:53

Appearances

Clips

steve stern

00:29

Large

Audio Only |

Scroll

Show episode speakers

Speaker	Time	Text
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		♪♪ It's Saturday, 27 May in the year of the Lord, 2020.
		We're starting our weekend commemoration of the honored dead.
		This is Memorial Day weekend.
		As long-time either listeners to the show over at Breitbart Radio or even in my time at Victory Sessions in WABC in LA, or now with the War Room, know that we take Memorial Day here very, very seriously.
		In the next hour, not in this hour, I got Jack Posobiec.
		The next hour, Patrick K. O'Donnell, the leading combat historian of a generation, will join me.
		And Patrick K. O'Donnell and Captain Maureen Banner will be with me on Monday.
		We do our Memorial Day special.
		I want to bring in now Jack Posobiec.
		Jack is a former naval officer.
		Jack, I want to talk about in this hour and pick your brain is the One of the things we're going to talk about with Patrick O'Donnell in the next hour is the level of violence in these conflicts.
		This weekend is not Veterans Day.
		This weekend is not about people's service.
		I understand a lot of well-meaning people come up and thank you for your service and all that during this weekend.
		This weekend is not even about the injured, the horrible casualties we've had.
		This is about the honored dead.
		This is about those who gave their lives in defense of their country, in defense of this republic, and it's now over, I think, a million Killed in actions.
		As a former naval officer, put it in perspective before we start talking about some of the levels of violence in the different wars of the United States of America, and we're going to talk about the modern wars in Ukraine and places like Fallujah.
jack posobiec ▲ ● ▼		Jack Posobiec. Look, Steve, when we look at Memorial Day and we look about people who are fighting for their country, people who are dying for their country, when you talk about what's going on Not only with U.S. wars, but also the current wars that we're seeing in the East right now.
		Regardless of your feelings on Ukraine and NATO and Zelensky and Putin, etc., I don't think anybody holds anyone in disregard in any way.
		It's always respectful to be fighting for your home, to be fighting for your country.
		But I do think that when we talk about these wars, and this war particularly in Ukraine, we just wrapped up, or we saw they just wrapped up, The Battle of Bakhmut here.
		People don't realize the scale of this thing.
		And I think that in Western media, we've been gaslit so much other than a few accounts.
		Like there's this one in the New Yorker that just dropped very quietly a couple of days ago about actual from the front reporting.
		But there's no videos.
		There's barely any pictures of it.
		You see a few shots here and there.
		But they're not showing every night.
		Steve, the Battle of Bakhmut was ten times the size of the Second Battle of Fallujah that we all talk about.
		There's so many documentaries about it.
		There's movies about it.
		Ron DeSantis talks about it because he was attached to one of the SEAL units there serving in a JAG capacity, legal capacity.
		And so we don't seem to realize, though, that this war, just one battle of this war was on a World War II scale or at least something That we haven't seen since World War II, because since World War II, really since the 1950s, maybe the 1970s, we haven't gone up against a near-peer great power.
		The United States hasn't.
		Typically, we've been fighting, you know, you're fighting the jungles of Ho Chi Minh, you're fighting in the deserts, whether it's the Taliban or Al Qaeda, ISIS, you're not going up against An enemy or another combatant that is the same type of combat capability as you would see today with the Russian Federation.
		That's what NATO's against.
		And in this Battle of Bakhmut, specifically, you had NATO going up against not even the Russian regular army.
		They were going up against this Wagner, these mercenaries, basically, some of them conscripts, some of them, these guys, they were given, you know, convicts who were given, you know, get out of jail free passes if you agree to go up to the front.
		This was not the trained military, and yet you had, just in terms of the sheer numbers, and it's hard to get, again, ground truth from what's going on here.
		That's why we've got to rely on people who are there, journalists who are there, the bits and pieces that we can get from the videos we're seeing.
		I've seen as many numbers a total as 40,000 dead, 50,000 dead just on the Ukrainian side, possibly as many as up to 150,000 people fought here over the last 200 days.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		One of the purposes of doing this commemoration is to make sure that we don't have these situations again, particularly more American combat casualties.
		I'll be talking specifically in the next hour with Patrick, who was embedded.
		He was embedded not as a war correspondent.
		He was embedded as a combat historian.
		With a rifle, a Marine rifle squad.
		And I think the book is We Are One.
		We'll talk about that in the next hour.
		But Fallujah has been the biggest battle.
		And Fallujah, by the way, Jack, as you know, is one of the bigger battles in Marine Corps history.
		I mean, that was a city.
		The Marine Corps, you know, very rarely goes in the cities of what, 250,000 people and have to go door to door.
		That battle was horrific.
		And the casualties we took in that battle were horrific.
		And the scars of that battle left were horrific.
		But what we're trying to avoid here in Ukraine, and this is why I think what Posobiec's witness is so important, is that The scale of, whenever you fight in that part of the war world, the scale is just bigger.
		Like in World War II, Jack.
		Talk to the audience, what's the difference, and you know this given your Polish heritage, what's the difference between the Eastern Front Of World War II and in the great heroism shown and we're coming up on the anniversary of D-Day in a couple of weeks and in the Western Front or the Western theater of operations in World War II versus the Eastern Front and things like what Operation Barbarossa?
jack posobiec ▲ ● ▼		When you have to understand about Operation Barbarossa is this wasn't this was you know, we watch We watch Band of Brothers.
		We watch Saving Private Ryan.
		We watch all the great and wonderful and sacred American movies that tell the stories of these sacred soldiers.
		But we don't hear about the scale.
		And it is a difference of scale, an exponential difference of scale on the Eastern Front, just because the Eastern Front is so massive.
		And you have to remember, people have to remember, that there were people over there fighting.
		They're not being sent over to fight.
		These are people that are fighting in their homes.
		These are people that are fighting in their backyards, their front yards.
		These are kids. And when I've talked to my wife, Tanya Tay, about this, and I said, well, you know, with most Americans in my generation, you'll say, you know, did your grandfather fight?
		You know, and she'll say, no, it's my great grandfather.
		Why? Because these guys were being sent over in their 40s, their 50s, their 60s, and they would all continue on marching towards Berlin.
		And it wasn't this idea of like 18 to 24.
		It was everybody.
		You were given your rifle and you were sent to the front.
		With no step back.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		In the scale, and by the way, some of the things in Barbarossa and in the Eastern Front were, this is why Patton and Eisenhower and General Marshall, all the brains of the American High Command, under no such situation or circumstance would we ever allow American troops Over there,
		or even American support operations over there, we would send them equipment, but no even logistics operations because you're getting sucked into something that is so bottomless as far as the casualties could go.
		We couldn't do it and we wouldn't do it, although we were the arsenal for democracy.
		When it happened, and you're seeing the same thing here today, but tell me about the scale of the Battle of Kursk, of Stalingrad, which are, what, a couple of hundred miles from where the battlefront is, just going across Ukraine, one of the bloodiest, you know, the Nazis went to Ukraine to get to the oil fields.
jack posobiec ▲ ● ▼		This is why people need to look at the maps of this area to understand, because I know these names are not names that we're familiar with.
		This isn't Monte Cassino. This isn't Rome.
		This isn't Normandy. This is geography that not a lot of Americans are familiar with.
		If you look at those battles, Kursk, Stalingrad, and now Bakhmut, they're all generally in the same relative neighborhood.
		They're all within a couple hours of each other.
		The reason for this is because the Germans understood, the Russians have understood from time memorial, even going back to the time of the Vikings.
		That's the Volga River.
		That's where Stalingrad is.
		That's why it's called Volgograd.
		This is, to the Russians, their mother river.
		This is the one where, if you're able to take that out, and this is why the Germans tried to do it twice, that if you're able to sever Moscow from the Caucasus, from their access to the Middle Eastern oil fields, then you can essentially cut them off from their supply lines.
		And then what are you going to do?
		Get your mineral supplies out of Siberia?
		It's too long. You're never going to be able to keep it up.
		That's why they know that if you cut off this geostrategic area for Russia, which starts in the Donbass, then heads all the way over to Stalingrad, this is the area which connects your Volga River with the Sea of Azov, then the Black Sea, and on the other end, the Caspian Sea.
		You cut Moscow off from the Caucasus, you will directly strike a blow that will eventually lead to the end of Russia.
		This is why the Russians will fight and have fought Battle of Stalingrad, largest battle in human history.
		Even the civil wars of China didn't have battles that actually were bigger than the Battle of Stalingrad.
		Battle of Kursk, the largest tank battle in history.
		We're talking on a scale of something that you wouldn't see out of the movies, things that Americans can't even comprehend.
		Imagine the entire state of Ohio just reduced to a battlefield.
		Every single city in Ohio reduced to rumble.
		And in many of these cases, On the area that's now Poland, on the area that's now Ukraine, on the area that's now Belarus, that is the battlefield where these battles were fought.
		That's why when you go over there now, they don't have very many great cities or very many old structures there.
		Why? Because they were gone.
		When I go back to Tanyate's hometown in Belarus, you say, wait a minute, this town's been here for 500 years.
		Where's all your old churches?
		Where's all your old buildings?
		Where's the old mansion or something?
		They're all gone. They've all been wiped out in years after years because this is the bloodlands of Europe.
		This is where the empires of the East fought against the empires of the West.
		And these areas where if you want to get involved into a war here like Napoleon tried, like the Germans tried twice, we know that it always ends in bloodshed.
		It always ends in some of the largest battles in European history.
		And so the idea that we have that, oh, we're gonna make a go for it because we've got better technology and we've got, you know, we've got history on our side, we've got morality on our side.
		Well, guess what? That's what they think too.
		And they're not, they definitely remember, the Russians definitely remember how to fight on this land because they've fought and won this land how many times in recent history.
		When we study battle at the American War College, whether you're going through Naval War College in Newport, whether you're going through the Army War College in Pennsylvania, in Carlisle, You are going to study the American battles.
		When the Russians go through Russian War College, what do you think they're studying?
		They're studying the Battle of Stalingrad, they're studying the Battle of Kursk, they're studying the strategy, and they don't do the type of battles that we are used to in the West.
		don't fight the way western europeans the blitzkrieg the thunder runs that we saw in iraq or uh... or or and is going to create your time in iraq really none of them it's all battles of attrition It's encirclement, it's cauldrons, and then they slowly but surely Wind you down step by step, piece by piece.
		And I do think that the initial invasion into Ukraine with only 100,000 troops was not meant to be a full-on occupation.
		You can't occupy Ukraine with only 100,000 troops.
		I think that was a blow intended to knock the regime out.
		Essentially, they wanted Zelensky to step down, then they would flee, then they'd be able to install a puppet in their place.
		Zelensky, we know the history, though, doesn't do that.
		He decides to stay. The Americans say you're going to stay.
		NATO says you're going to stay.
		And so what do the Russians do?
		They pull back, they take up defensive positions, and then they slowly go back to their ground-and-pound strategy, where they just grind you down, grind you down, grind you down.
		And I've been to this area.
		Anyone who's been to this area or flown over, you get it.
		There are no natural boundaries.
		There's no mountains. There's few rivers, basically, that are your only natural boundaries.
		It seems like it might make sense.
		You might get a sense.
		Like, this is why Napoleon thought he could make it.
		Napoleon, of course, did make it all the way to Moscow.
		You might get a sense. This is why the Germans thought they could make it all those times.
		But the problem is, when you penetrate so far into Russia, and this happens in every World War, when you penetrate so far in, you realize that your supply lines are stretched thin, and then you are surrounded on all sides by Russia.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's endless. Don't have to take my word for it.
jack posobiec ▲ ● ▼		You can listen to The New Yorker.
		Listen to this. In the trenches, this New Yorker, Luke Cogleton, just got back from two weeks.
		The trenches of Donbass, infantry fire, unrelenting horrors, missiles, grenades, helicopters, hellfire from artillery raining down on you.
		You can't distinguish between craters, natural topography, and the bodies of infantrymen.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Okay, on the Memorial Day weekend for our honored dead, the commemoration in 2023, we are currently looking at a war on the Eurasian landmass, both in Ukraine and in the South China Sea and on the East and East China Sea.
		In World War II, we had Russian allies and we had Chinese allies that provided the bulk of the manpower and fought on the Eurasian landmass.
		We rolled up through the islands to take on Japan and came in from the west with D-Day and aerial bombing in Italy, through Italy to take on the Nazis and the fascists.
		We're going to both discuss this war on the Eurasian landmass and make sure that we put a marker down, no American casualties.
unidentified		on next in the war room.
		Hello.
		I'm going to be talking about the war room.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		War room.
		We kick off today.
		I have Jack Posobiec, a former naval officer, and of course, Patrick O'Donnell in the next hour.
		And then on Monday, we have Patrick O'Donnell, myself, and Captain Maureen Bannon.
		Jack, go back to Bakhmut, because we're going to talk South China Sea and Taiwan in the next segment, but I want to make sure everybody's got there.
		This is kind of falling off the front page, and the reason it's falling off the front page is because the Biden regime and the media don't want to talk about what's actually going on, and they certainly don't want you to know what's going on in Bakhmut.
		Go back to that New Yorker piece.
		I like if you reread that right now, and let's talk about Bakhmut and what actually happened there.
jack posobiec ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Steve, I highly encourage everyone to go and read this report out of The New Yorker because, you know, I know people will say, they'll say, oh, well, Posobiec, you know, you're just following stuff on Telegram.
		You don't know who's putting that out.
		I say, well, those are sourced videos from on the ground.
		Or they'll say, well, you see something on Twitter, you don't know who's putting it out.
		Okay, here's The New Yorker.
		All right, this is the same reporting that you could stand up anywhere.
		This is a mainstream and, honestly, center-left kind of publication.
		And you can read that these reports always seem to be the same narrative that you find from people who are on the ground.
		It's not the mainstream narrative that you're getting every night on CNN, even Fox News to some extent.
		When you talk about this, and here's an example from a Ukrainian.
		The Wagner forces brought in Waves of convicts that proved too much for the Ukrainians, who were still reeling from Kherson's battle, had not yet replenished their ranks and materiel.
		The commander of the battalion, a 39-year-old lieutenant colonel named Pavlo, said of the Wagner fighters, they were like zombies.
		They used the prisoners like a wall of meat.
		It didn't matter how many killed, they kept coming.
		Within weeks, the battalion faced annihilation.
		Entire platoons wiped out in close contact firefights.
		Some 70 men encircled and massacred.
		The dwindling survivors, one officer told me, became useless because they were so tired.
		One Russian said that...
		That because they're losing so many, I'm skipping ahead a little bit here, because they're losing so many troops, they're now on the Ukrainian side forced to bring in new draftees.
		But the problem with the new draftees is that every time you do a mobilization, you're now running out of experienced trained fighters.
		And Ukraine's already seen several waves of general mobilization at this point.
		That means the people you're getting in, you're getting civilians, you're getting people with no experience, people who spent maybe the first time they've ever held a gun is the one you gave to them.
		And you're sending those kids up to the front lines now.
		This is basically Germany at the very end of World War II in the Battle of Berlin where it's all kids and senior citizens that are holding the line at the very end because all of the trained fighters in the Wehrmacht had been completely wiped out at that point.
		And then you hear things. These guys don't have the stamina.
		They get scared. They panic.
		And one line, where was it?
		He said... There's a phenomenon that they're seeing because of the high attrition rate called reverse natural selection.
		Because seasoned infantrymen, and it mentions a few of them here, became extremely fatigued and then go AWOL. Because they say they get into a bad place psychologically and they need a break, then they run back home, then they're running back to the trenches out of a sense of guilt and a sense of loyalty.
		But that being said, keep in mind, when you're on that zero line up there, every single night you are under the reign of hellfire from the Russian artillery.
		So again, when we keep reporting, this goes on, it's easily a 10,000-word article.
		And if you're looking for some reporting this weekend, that you can say, look, this isn't human events, this isn't the war room, this is from the New Yorker saying that you are putting people into the meat grinder over there.
		And in fact, it's cannon fodder.
		That's what's going on. You've got cannon fodder on both sides that are being thrown at each other.
		And if the United States continues on this path, then you might start to see Americans being drafted up and called for this specifically because we've got some obsession with winning this fight.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You've had, I think, Orban and others this week starting to say it's impossible for Ukraine to achieve a military victory in any time of the foreseeable future.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		People are talking about this.
jack posobiec ▲ ● ▼		Orban said it's obvious there will be no victory for the poor Ukrainians.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		But this means eventually, look, they've got your money now.
		We're in the middle of this huge debt ceiling debate, right, in the middle of this, and they refuse to even talk about defense cuts.
		More importantly, they will not give up the hundreds of billions of dollars they're sending over to Ukraine right now.
		When you say meat grinder, that's why I want to go back and compare and contrast because we don't have this now.
		If you look at World War II, Of the great heroism that we provided in World War II, and you talk about D-Day, you talk about the Eighth Air Force over Nazi Germany.
		You talk about Patton breaking out of the hedgerows and his journey across France.
		The West, particularly the British and Americans, were always particularly focused on not having tremendous combat casualties, right?
		When Kazarin Pass happened early in the war, You know, a ton of generals got fired because you just weren't going to throw even untrained American kids just in his cannon fodder.
		The Russians and the Chinese, this is how they fight, particularly the Russians.
		Go once again about the difference between the Western mentality of war and the Russian mentality of war and how that delivered, really delivered victory for us in World War II by destroying the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front, sir.
jack posobiec ▲ ● ▼		Right. So, again, this is the idea.
		This is how the Russians won Stalingrad.
		They didn't win Stalingrad because they had the best tanks.
		They certainly didn't have the best planes.
		No one is ever going to accuse Russians in World War II of having air superiority.
		What do they have? They have a lot of Russians, and they have a lot of people, and they just keep coming.
		Bismarck had a line about the Russians years ago where he said, the thing about fighting the Russians is that you have to shoot them twice, once to kill them, and then one more time to knock them over.
		And it's this idea. That you've got a people that have lived through so many invasions and fight in a very different way.
		They fight in a way where it is an idea of no surrender whatsoever, that you are going to keep coming, you're going to keep marching.
		Keep in mind, in World War I, World War I, Russia never even was defeated by the Germans.
		What happened in World War I was the Germans sent in Lenin, they launched the Bolshevik Revolution, the Russians start fighting amongst themselves, then they come up, then you get the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, which essentially takes them out, but then what happens in the interim is that the Soviet Union becomes formed, which obviously was a terror and a horrific disaster for the entire world.
		We tried these regime change operations in Russia before.
		You look how it turns out, not so good.
		The difference between the thinking is that we in the West will say, okay, we're going to put some troops in.
		We think of pincer operations.
		We think of these various different movements in Russia.
		We are going to send people and we are going to continue sending people until we've taken that land, whether it's Bakhmut, whether it's Kursk, whether it's Stalingrad, it's no step back.
		And this blood-soaked land that they fought for and into destroying, by the way, destroying the Nazi army, okay, getting all the way to Berlin, climbing to the top of the Reichstag and knocking that eagle off and tearing its wings off and crashing it to the ground.
		I think a lot of Americans miss out on how that plays into the Russian psyche because we sort of In our World War II history, we remember D-Day, we remember Pearl Harbor, we remember a couple of battles of the war, and then suddenly we switched to the Pacific.
		And Iwo Jima, then Nagasaki Hiroshima.
		We don't really talk about the Battle of Berlin.
unidentified		No, no, no. By the way, hang on, Jack.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		But I think that's where American history is one of the reasons we do so much of this in the war room.
		I think people feel it's Pearl Harbor, D-Day, the Holocaust, and the Hiroshima and the Holocaust.
		That's it. That's what young people know about World War II. They don't know even about our sacrifice.
		Right, so you're missing... Much less...
jack posobiec ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead. You're missing the fact that the Red Army did push all the way through, joined up, by the way, with the Poles at one point towards the end.
		Then Ukrainians, Belarusians, this massive Slavic force, which makes it all the way in to Berlin under Marshal Zhukov.
		And of course, they send in the Poles, Ukrainians and Belarusians first, with 6,000 tanks as battering rams through the German defenses into Berlin.
		Now, there have been air campaigns by the Americans and the British, to be sure, these strategic bombing campaigns, like, of course, Dresden we know about, that were absolutely horrific and just slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Germans.
		Many times, by the way, these strategic air campaigns happened in France, too, which did end up taking...
		This is, if you read Kurt Vonnegut, this is where his Slaughterhouse novel comes from, because he had been shot down and then ended up being in one of the POW camps.
		He was in this meat house in the basement.
		While the strategic bombings were going on as a prisoner of the Germans, and yet we miss so much of the ground battle that took place on the Eastern Front and then marched up into Germany because, by and large, these American, you know, the American Band of Brothers and our troops were not involved.
		But if you're missing that out, I guarantee you the Europeans remember it, and I certainly guarantee you the Russians and everyone in Eastern Europe remember it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		We need to avoid any American combat troops, special forces and others, in anything to do around this Ukraine border.
		We'll take a short commercial break and we'll come with that.
		Also, the inevitable kinetic war in the South China Sea, in the Straits of Taiwan, in the defense of Taiwan, given the feckless nature of the Biden regime.
		Okay, short commercial break.
		We're going to come back with the kickoff to our Memorial Day weekend here in the War Room.
unidentified		♪♪♪
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You're in the war room.
		Jack Posobiec, how do we avoid?
		Walk me through how they're going to try to suck in American combat troops into this, into the Western Front now of the war in the Eurasian landmass, sir.
jack posobiec ▲ ● ▼		Well, Steve, this is what Mearsheimer has warned us about, and we call it Mearsheimer's warning because he looks at the twin crises that are escalating on America's two fronts, whether it be the South China Sea and Taiwan on one end, and then the Eurasian landmass and the land battle, the proxy war, that we are already in with the Russian Federation.
		And he says, if the United States escalates both of these conflicts at the same time, that you are now going to find yourselves in a two-front world war.
		This is a situation that would be absolutely disastrous for the United States.
		We would certainly lose our standing in the world, not to mention the standing of the U.S. dollar, which, of course, BRICS, the yuan, the ruble are already working to undercut.
		And so the way to avoid this and avoid What, of course, is referred to as the great trap of the Peloponnesian War is this idea, the Thucydides trap, this idea that If you can push this to de-escalation, if you can push for peace, and I've only ever heard one person calling for peace, and that's President Trump.
		We just had the G7 meeting last week up in Japan, and everybody's out there crowding around Zelensky.
		We're going to give you more money.
		We're going to give you more F-16s.
		We're going to give you more fighters.
		And keep in mind, this is on the back of losing in Bakhmut.
		And you can argue about how many soldiers were lost and et cetera.
		This is the largest battle of this war that's been fought since, the largest battle of Europe since World War II, the largest battle for the 21st century.
		And so you're doubling down.
		That's called the sunk cost fallacy.
		It's that we've spent so much money on it, we've got to continue spending more and then we're going to win.
		No, that's the sunk cost fallacy.
		The fundamentals simply aren't there.
		And I think Orban is right. I think Trump is right.
		You've got to find a way to call for a peaceful resolution here.
		Because the next step, Steve, I'm going to explain to you what the next step is.
		Because they're going to say, well, who can service these F-16s?
		And then they're going to say, well, we're going to need American mechanics and American engineers and they're going to service the F-16s.
		And then you're going to have Americans or maybe other NATO fighters, NATO soldiers, troops that are in, that are going to say, you know, we can't fly them all the way back to Poland or NATO safe territory to be able to maintain these things.
		So we're going to establish a NATO, you know, a conventional maintenance center inside of Ukraine, close to Lviv, you know, far away from the front.
		And then we'll fly everything back there.
		We'll use that for the tanks. This is what, and over at humanevents.com, this is exactly what Alexander Vindman, remember Lieutenant Colonel Vindman, was trying to work on.
		He wanted to send American contractors and American engineers over there.
		He was looking to raise money for this, raise funding for it so he could send Americans over there to be in harm's way to maintain equipment.
		And so they're going to say, well, we need the maintenance center.
		But in order to have the maintenance center, we're going to need to establish a NATO safe zone, a NATO green zone, a diplomatic corridor.
		And that's going to be in the Lviv area.
		And at some point, The Russians are going to point out this and say, you know what?
		Enough is enough. And just in the same way that Nixon and Kissinger bombed Camp, carpet bombed Cambodia, because that's where the Viet Cong were running over to hide into, because it was the secret bombing campaign, which we're not going to be able to do anymore because he can't do secret campaigns in the age of social media, that he's going to say, you know what? Enough is enough.
		We have to cut off their supply lines.
		So we're going to go in and then you're going to lead to what?
		A couple of NATO soldiers dying.
		Possibly Americans dying.
		Maybe it's American contractors.
		And every single day we are inching closer and closer and closer.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
		A missile or something is going to go off in Poland.
		They're going to say Article 5, right?
		They're going to say Article 5.
		Next thing you know, we're going to have special forces.
		They've got logistics, special forces, then combat troops.
		We're going to end this hour.
unidentified		Wait, wait, wait. I will push back on something on that, Steve.
jack posobiec ▲ ● ▼		Do you really think, and I'll say this to everybody listening, do we really think that we don't have American Special Forces on the ground in Ukraine right now already?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Okay, fine. I want to talk about that.
		By the way, we're going to end with Section 60.
		What we're trying to avoid in the next one is to avoid having any more Section 60s over at Arlington National Cemetery.
		That was a new section they opened up for the Afghan and Iraq killed in actions, KIAs.
		That's where you go over, you see the young families.
		We want to avoid that. We do not want combat troops in to Ukraine.
		Are you saying right now, Jack, do you think there's a high probability of American special forces already in Ukraine?
jack posobiec ▲ ● ▼		Steve, I don't need to think that because we know that this is what came out in those leaked documents from that Air National Guardsman up in Massachusetts, Dak Chichera.
jack posobiec ▲ ● ▼		He specifically said that of the special forces detachments that were in Ukraine, it was pretty much every major NATO country, to include the U.S., to include the U.K., soft special operations forces, boots on the ground in Ukraine conducting operations right now.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Jack, one more time, before we pivot to the South China Sea and Taiwan, I just want you to go over the scale, and this is what people don't understand.
		Since the biggest battles in late 1944, including the Battle of the Bulge, And into 1945, the Battle of Berlin that led up to the collapse of the Nazis in May of 1945, the biggest land war fought since then has been around this strategic hamlet, I guess, of Bachmut, a town of 70,000.
		Walk me through your best of what people are abandoning about, what the casualties, civilian and military casualties around this town have been.
jack posobiec ▲ ● ▼		So there's a line here.
		I'll pull it up. I've got it in my message here where you've got people on both sides calling out what the casualty numbers are.
		So, Prigozhin, who is the head of the Wagner Group, so you're gonna assume that he's gonna deflate the Russian numbers, inflate the Ukrainian numbers a little bit, but it's pretty close to what you're seeing in some of the media.
		He's saying that the Wagner Group, the PMC, had up to 50,000 troops in Bakhmut.
		Wagner losses were 10,000 dead.
		The Armed Forces of Ukraine had 80,000 troops in Bakhmut and 40,000 dead.
		That's a four-to-one ratio, Steve.
		4 to 1 ratio he's claiming out of this.
		Now, I'm sure that they're going to claim otherwise in terms of it, but I don't think those numbers are too far off when you look at the general scale of things in terms of even what Western sources are saying.
		And so this idea that, okay, sure, Battle of the Bulge, we're not seeing that scale yet, but we're getting close.
		Because when the Russians start moving, keep in mind the Wagner Group, this is a mercenary company, Steve.
		This is like, you know, send Eric Prince and his guys over and give Eric Prince 50,000 troops.
		And have him go take Fallujah, go take one of the cities in Iraq, right?
		It's just, it's something that we've never seen in the United States.
		This isn't the regular Russian army.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		But we haven't seen, by the way, 80,000, I want to talk about civilian casualties, 80,000 troops, 40,000 casualties, that's 50 % killed.
		These are KIAs, that's not even wounded.
		50 % KIA rates, it boggles the mind.
		50,000 dead, not including Russian troops, just the mercenaries.
		50,000 dead, not including the civilians.
		Remember, there's a town of 70,000.
		I think there's 2,000 civilians left is where I thought the last number.
		I'm sure most of those fled, but there could be 10,000, 15,000, 20,000 dead folks from the town of Bakhmut.
		That's the scale of this.
		It's massive, and nobody's talking about the scale.
		If we get sucked into this, you're going to have multiple Section 60s over at Arlington National Cemetery.
		That's what we're trying to avoid, Jack Posobiec.
jack posobiec ▲ ● ▼		Look, Steve, when we visited there last year, and we even went down to Nikolaev, which is right across from Kherson, this is before the main Kherson pullout took place by the Russians, that the main thing that we saw on the ground, my brother and I, was that after taking the night train to Odessa is that the people of Ukraine don't deserve this.
		The people of Ukraine that are caught in the middle, the men, the women, the children, they're just trying to live their lives.
		They don't want to be caught up in the geopolitics of the day.
		They don't want to be caught up in these GI Joe narratives of Marvel movies, who's the Avengers, who's the bad guy, you know, good and evil, right?
		They're just trying to get through their lives.
		In some cases, they don't have the ability to leave.
		In some cases, they just don't want to leave because it's their home and it's always been their home.
		And this has been the problem, the great tragedy of Eastern Europe.
		And it gives me a better sense, I guess I would say, of my own family as to why Why my ancestors decided to leave Poland when they decided to leave, because Poland's a wonderful country, but the neighbors are not so good.
		And when you talk about the possibility of some of these missiles landing, when those missiles that turned out to be errantly fired by Ukraine a couple of months ago landed and killed a couple of Polish farmers, it was only a few miles away from where my family still lives in Poland, right on the border with Ukraine.
		So we're very, very close to where Lviv is.
		Just on the Polish side.
		In fact, when we were there a couple of weeks ago, you can actually see as you're driving into the village, you can see signs on the highway for Lviv.
		They said Lviv a couple more miles.
		Now, obviously, there's a little bit more of border security than there has been in the past.
		But you know what? That fighting, it doesn't have to move very far until there's Posobics that are caught up in the middle.
		And that's the last thing that I want to see.
		That's the last thing I think that anybody wants to see because when you look at these videos, you have to remember this isn't, you know, even in World War I, we talked about fighting over there, but for the people who live there, it isn't over there.
		It's fighting in your home.
		It's fighting on your street.
		It's fighting in your town, fighting at your school, your children's school.
		This is something that Americans outside of the movie Red Dawn, the great John Milius, the father of Amanda Milius' movie Red Dawn, we've never even had to consider because it's never happened in U.S. history, you know, unless you want to count the Civil War.
		And so there's an idea, I think, of Americans that war is something that you go to, but we don't understand what it's like when war comes to you.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		And that's what's happened here. When we talk about war comes to us, we have a huge audience in the Tide War, the Norfolk Naval Station, the Tide War area in Virginia.
		I want to pivot to Taiwan, South China Sea.
		A carrier battle group roughly I think has 10,000 to 12,000 sailors in it.
		We've got about a minute here, Jack, before we go to the next break.
		Is it a possibility, as you see it, that a carrier battle group could actually be at the bottom of the Straits of Taiwan or the South China Sea in this coming kinetic war with the CCP? Well, that's what China's training their hypersonic missiles for, the glide vehicles.
jack posobiec ▲ ● ▼		They're specifically training them to go after these aircraft carriers, because if you can get through that missile shield that's provided by the Aegis system, by the destroyers and cruisers, then that aircraft carrier is essentially a sitting target.
jack posobiec ▲ ● ▼		You can't exactly maneuver it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Jack Posobiec is going to hang with us.
		We're going to take a short commercial break.
		We're kicking off Memorial Day weekend, the most solemn civic holiday in the American pantheon.
		This weekend, we've got on Saturday, we've got Jack Posobiec here with us for this hour.
		Patrick K. O'Donnell is going to join us momentarily.
		We've also got Patrick K. O'Donnell on Monday where we do our annual and traditional events.
		Memorial Day special.
		Captain Maureen Bannon will also join us.
		We're going to take a short commercial break.
		We're going to be back with former Naval officer Jack Posobiec in a moment.
unidentified		♪♪♪
		Getter has arrived.
		The new social media taking on big tech.
		Protecting free speech.
		And canceling cancel culture.
		Join the marketplace of ideas.
		The platform for independent thought has arrived.
		Superior technology.
		No more selling your personal data.
		No more censorship. No more cancel culture.
		Enough. Getter has arrived.
		It's time to say what you want, the way you want.
		Download now.
steve stern ▲ ● ▼		Hello, I'm Steve Stern, CEO of FlagShirt.com, a third-generation veteran-owned small business.
		I believe that the American way of life is for all of us.
		I'm asking you today to visit FlagShirt.com.
		Help keep the American dream alive.
		Be a flag waver.
		Carry a nation's heritage.
		Use coupon code ACTION10 for 10 % off site-wide and buy a flag shirt today.
		Action, action, action.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Okay, make sure we're gonna have a big special on 14 June on Flag Day.
		I want everybody to sign up for that.
		I've got a couple minutes here, and I want to turn it over to Jack Posobiec.
		Jack, we're trying to, in the kickoff hour of a Memorial Day commemoration, we're trying to make sure we don't have any more Section 60s.
		Which was opened up for the Iraq and Afghanistan vets.
		The American military, the American people bled enough in these foreign wars.
		We don't want another one on the Urasian landmass.
		Although it looks like we're heading to one in the South China Sea in the Straits of Taiwan.
		I know you know China better than anybody.
		What is your thoughts and how bad it will be if we actually get into a kinetic war, sir?
jack posobiec ▲ ● ▼		Getting into a kinetic war with China would be one of the most I think bloody and disastrous for the United States, for particularly, of course, my beloved United States Navy.
		You look at some of the issues the United States Navy's had over the past couple of years, particularly in the 7th Fleet, which is the fleet that would bear the brunt of any military operations.
		That's the fleet that's forward deployed to Yokosuka, Japan, where I worked out of, where I served out of many times, as well as serving out of stations in Guam and other parts of the East Asia Theater in the Pacific.
		So when we look at the situation there, what the PLA is doing, the People's Liberation Army and Navy, they are tightening the noose around Taiwan militarily, not only in terms of their ability to build up their own forces, and I talked a little bit about the hypersonic glide vehicles, these hypersonic missiles that would have the ability to take out a U.S. carrier group that we are essentially unable to defend against.
		By the way, If you want to piggyback off of Ukraine, we just saw a Russian hypersonic missile.
		And even though Raytheon doesn't like to hear it, a Russian hypersonic missile, a Kinzhal, just took out a U.S. Patriot battery.
		This is supposed to be our best anti-air defense system.
		And a Russian hypersonic missile just took it out a couple of weeks ago.
		So you better believe that even though they're not talking about it publicly, the war planners over at the Pentagon are freaking out at seeing this.
		That's supposed to be the best of the best.
		And if you can take out their batteries, then guess what?
		You can take out an aircraft carrier.
		You take out a carrier.
		These are floating airports. They don't have a lot of ability to defend themselves.
		That's why the term carrier battle group exists.
		It's essentially a floating city of 5,000 people, but with the squadron air crew, the air wing of the pilots, the fighters, the bombers, different complements for different ships.
		But, of course, you're surrounded by usually a couple of submarines, cruisers, destroyers to provide that air defense and the early warning system should any of those situations arise.
		We saw this in terms of World War II as well with the Battle of Midway.
		The reason that the Battle of Midway was the turning point was that we took out the carriers.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		But at Coral Sea, we were shot out of the water.
		Real quickly, we've got about a minute.
		You speak fluent Mandarin.
		You read Mandarin. You were a naval intelligence officer on the mainland for the United States.
		You know the Chinese military as well as anybody I've ever met.
		Do you believe if we get into a shooting war in the Straits of Taiwan, South China Sea, East China Sea, that what's the probability an entire carrier battle group can end up on the bottom of the Pacific, sir?
jack posobiec ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's no way we would get out of a battle with a direct military conflict with China without losing at least one or two battle groups or one or two carriers.
unidentified		There's no way. Wow.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Jack, I'm gonna leave it with that.
		Please, how do we get to all your content?
		People need to focus on Posobiec more than ever.
jack posobiec ▲ ● ▼		Where do people go? Well, Steve, we're actually pleased to announce that here on Real America's Voice, we are now going to be starting this Tuesday at 2 p.m.
		We are going to be going live for the first time ever.
		We're going to be continuing live every single day, 2 p.m.
		So it's now going to go Bannon's War Room, Charlie Kirk, and then Poso for your block of nationalist, populist media every single day.
		Really excited to be able to announce this at Real America's Voice.
		And then, of course, we'll be up on Rumble.
		We'll be up on Twitter, Truthgetter, everywhere else.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Five hours of intensity, 10 a.m.
		Eastern Daylight Time to 3 p.m.
		in the afternoon. You got War Room, you got the Charlie Kirk Show, and then Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec.
		That's intense. Brother Posobiec, congratulations.
		Long time coming. Waiting for that.
		Look forward to seeing your first show this Tuesday, sir.
		I'll see you there, man. A great patriot, Jack Posobiec.
		Okay, we're going to leave you with images of Section 60, and we're going to come back with Patrick K. O'Donnell.
		Patrick was actually over there in the Battle of Fallujah.
		We're going to talk about some of the biggest battles in America and the heroism of our honored dead.
		That's what this weekend is about.
		I know it's the first weekend of summer, but it is a weekend in which we acknowledge not our veterans and not those who are wounded, all the great heroes, but those that gave their lives in defense of this republic.
		Okay. Couple of minute break.
		We're going to be back.
		Patrick K. O'Donnell will join us next in The War Room.

▲