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May 18, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 2741: 'Safe And Effective'; High Crimes And Misdemeanors
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steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
unidentified
Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon
I got a free shot of all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Babb.
We have seen what happens when technology outpaces regulation.
The unbridled exploitation of personal data, the proliferation of disinformation, and the deepening of societal inequalities.
We have seen how algorithmic biases can perpetuate discrimination and prejudice, and how the lack of transparency can undermine public trust.
This is not the future we want.
That voice was not mine, and the audio was an AI voice cloning software trained on my floor speeches.
The remarks were written by ChatGBT.
sam altman
OpenAI is an unusual company, and we set it up that way because AI is an unusual technology.
We are working to build tools that one day can help us make new discoveries and address some of humanity's biggest challenges, like climate change and curing cancer.
We believe that the benefits of the tools we have deployed so far vastly outweigh the risks, but ensuring their safety is vital to our work.
GPT-4 is more likely to respond helpfully and truthfully and refuse harmful requests than any other widely deployed model of similar capability.
We think that regulatory intervention by governments will be critical to mitigate the risks of increasingly powerful models.
For example, the US government might consider a combination of licensing and testing requirements for development and release of AI models above a threshold of capabilities.
unidentified
Mr. Marcus, there's no way to put this genie in the bottle.
Globally, it's exploding, but there's no way to stop this moving forward.
Let me just insert, there are more genies yet to come from more bottles.
Some genies are already out, but we don't have machines that can really, for example, self-improve themselves.
We don't really have machines that have self-awareness, and we might not ever want to go there.
So there are other genies to be concerned about.
sam altman
Where I think the licensing scheme comes in is not for what these models are capable of today.
As we head towards artificial general intelligence and the impact that will have and the power of that technology, I think we need to treat that as seriously as we treat other very powerful technologies, and that's where I personally think we need such a scheme.
unidentified
Mr. Altman, maybe you can help me understand here what some of the significance of this is.
Should we be concerned about large language models that can predict, survey opinion, and then can help organizations, entities, fine-tuned strategies to elicit behaviors from voters?
Should we be worried about this for our elections?
sam altman
It's one of my areas of greatest concern.
The more general ability of these models to manipulate and to persuade and to provide sort of one-on-one, you know, interactive disinformation.
We're going to face an election next year, and these models are getting better.
There's a lot of policies that companies can voluntarily adopt, and I'm happy to talk about what we do there.
I do think some regulation would be quite wise.
unidentified
And I see, you know, OpenAI backed by Microsoft.
Anthropic is backed by Google.
Are you worried about the corporate concentration in this space and what effect it might have?
sam altman
I think there is benefits and danger to that, because we were talking about all the dangers with AI. The fewer of us that you really have to keep a careful eye on, on the absolute Like bleeding edge of capabilities, there's benefits there.
unidentified
Mr. Marcus, real quick. There is a real risk of a kind of technocracy combined with oligarchy, where a small number of companies influence people's beliefs, and that has enormous influence on how we live our lives.
And having a small number of players do that with data that we don't even know about, that scares me.
sam altman
Sam, I'm sorry. One more thing I wanted to add.
One thing that I think is very important is that what these systems get aligned to Whose values, what those bounds are, that that is somehow set by society as a whole, by governments as a whole.
elon musk
Well, now you have a new CEO. I think Linda Yacrina is going to be great.
Why? Well, Twitter is very much an advertising-dependent business.
Linda is obviously incredible at that, and she's just a great executive in general.
unidentified
Let's talk about free speech a bit.
You know, you call yourself a free speech absolutist.
You want Twitter, and this is a...
Aspirationally. Aspirationally, you want Twitter to be as truthful as possible, the most accurate source of information about the world.
So what does that mean for how you police lies on the platform?
You mentioned community notes.
elon musk
Is that... I think community notes, yeah.
I mean, so my overall...
The kind of vision for X or Twitter is to be a cybernetic collective mind for humanity.
This is going to sound quite esoteric and sci-fi, but in pursuit of that objective, you want to have information move quickly, have that information be accurate, and you want to have error correction on that information.
So you can think of community notes as like an error correction on information in the network.
unidentified
Our guest today is Jeffrey Hinton.
Often referred to as the godfather of artificial intelligence.
I talked to Elon Musk the other day, and he thinks we'll get things more intelligent than us.
And what he's hoping is they'll keep us around because we'll make life more interesting.
If you have a world without people in it, or without animals in it, it's just not as interesting as a world with people in it.
That seems like a pretty sane thing to rest humanity on to me.
But he thinks it's quite possible these things will get much smarter and they'll gain control.
elon musk
And this is a video that was taken basically yesterday and the Optimus team was up all night making this video.
These are all real, by the way.
The motors, controllers, the electronics, and everything you see in the Optimus robot is a Tesla-designed system.
sam altman
First of all, I think it's important to understand and think about GPT-4 as a tool, not a creature, which is easy to get confused.
steve bannon
Okay, Joe Allen, it is Thursday, 18 May in the year of our Lord, 2023.
The hearing the other day, we haven't had time to really unpack it, was quite disturbing.
I think it was most disturbing about how unprepared the political system is and even the ability to hold hearings or actually break it down and have a real discussion because I'm not saying people didn't try.
Hawley, others tried.
But the level of sophistication of the questions was where the war room was two years ago when you came on, or two and a half years ago.
And we're in a race against time.
Joe Allen, walk us through that cold open.
Walk us through what your thoughts are from the other day.
And then I know you've got a lot of other things to share with us about this amazingly important to the heart of the signal, not the noise.
of what's happening with modernity, sir?
joe allen
Well, Steve, I am in no way consoled by what I heard at the hearing.
Definitely, Hawley stepped up to the plate.
But even then, You have this sense that what we're getting is something much like what you got with Big Pharma, in essence partnering with regulatory agencies.
That's what I see coming down the pike.
So you had representatives from OpenAI, that's Sam Altman, representatives from Alphabet, Google, and IBM. And you also had the professor who we heard there, Gary Marcus, a cognitive scientist from NYU. And I think that Marcus really was the voice of reasonable terror in the room.
Whenever you heard Sam Altman or any of the others sort of soft-pedaling the dangers, you had Gary Marcus pointing out the real dangers of artificial intelligence.
The three things that we heard there that I think are the most important are the mass dissemination of disinformation by bots, psychological manipulation.
They talked about voters in particular, but that goes all across the board.
And then, of course, the possibility of artificial general intelligence.
The last is, I think, probably the hardest to get your head wrapped around, because it doesn't yet exist, and yet all these companies, the major companies who are working on artificial intelligence, they're trying to create it, they anticipate it coming, and should it come, they all basically believe it will be a superhuman entity to which we should defer our decision-making to some extent or entirely.
What we heard with Sam Altman, when he talks about disinformation and he talks about the bots he's creating that will, in essence, disseminate this disinformation and confuse the public psyche,
making people unable to distinguish between human and robot online, The solution he is offering, coming from WorldCoin, called WorldID, is a biometric scan of one's iris so that you can link your iris to your body to your digital identity.
So if that starts to be rolled out, especially with the assistance of the government, what we in essence have is this sort of Orwellian world in which the only way that you can become a participant in the system is to link your biometric information to that system.
Otherwise, you're beyond the pale.
On the topic of voter manipulation, already we see mass voter manipulation with human beings spreading all sorts of garbage online in order to sway votes.
Google is notorious.
They control 92 % of information flow, and they are notorious for their biasing towards liberal points of view.
But as Holly brought up, when you add bots to the mix, what that means is that you, first of all, you flood the zone with that potential disinformation.
And second of all, as Altman spoke about, you have the potential for a sort of one-on-one human-machine relationship that spreads that disinformation.
And you should also keep in mind that Altman's technology is being latched onto by Bill Gates, who wants to create such a human-machine connection between his AI and the next generation through education.
They want to normalize this, and what we would call disinformation, they will call enlightened education.
And so all of these dangers are bubbling under the surface.
You have Congress at least thinking about this, but I'm in no way confident that Congress is going to be as confrontational as they need to be, nor am I confident that they're going to be able to actually anticipate the real dangers behind these technologies.
There are a few like Hawley, and to some extent I would say even guys like the The congressman from California, I'm blanking on his name, maybe I need a new Neuralink, who gave the speech on the House floor the other day.
unidentified
He at least shows an awareness of it, but that awareness is- I think it's Brad Sherman.
joe allen
Yes, Brad Sherman.
But that awareness is not going to be enough.
There has to be at least some real teeth behind any kind of regulation that goes out.
But given the sort of unpredictability of the technology, it's almost impossible to put in place a regulation to stop it.
I really think that Cory Booker is right.
The genie is out of the bottle, and there's really no going back.
I guess, in essence, Steve, what I'm saying is that hearing at least shows some consciousness among our political class of the problem, but I have serious doubts that the political class will be anything but a sort of PR for these big tech companies as they partner with them in a sort of public-private partnership.
steve bannon
Yeah, okay, here, yes.
So the key point is the solution, think about it, the solution to save you from the out-of-control algorithms and the, I've got an article up on Getter now from an ex-Google senior executive that says that eventually,
very quickly, not eventually, very quickly when we go to AGI, that the The thinking machines will very quickly come to the conclusion that counter to what Elon Musk's fairy tale, what he hopes in this fantasy land is that the machines think we're just wonderful and we're great body men and we can help them out.
We actually think we're scum and either have to be directly controlled or gotten rid of.
The solution that is a biometric scan is to basically wire you right into the, hardwire you into the matrix.
with your human self, right, into the digital brain, so they can actually know that your inputs to the digital brain.
This is what they're saying in testimony.
This is not science fiction.
They also didn't talk about the central point, is that the apparatus is funding.
We talk about public-private partnerships.
That means government funding on your tax dollars.
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I would like to say there's an easy solution to this, but there's not.
And one of the reasons is that it was just kind of, they showed a little ankle in this a hundred and some days ago at Davos with ChatGPT.
ChatGPT, and already it's got the education system completely wrapped around the axle because kids are just using it nonstop.
And it's also all the creatives are running around.
Oh my gosh, you know, all the designers are going to be gone.
All the low-end artists are going to be gone.
All the writers, you got a strike in Hollywood.
unidentified
That's all easy stuff.
steve bannon
You've got a massive problem here.
One of the massive problems you have in the executive order that Biden signed months ago.
Oh, the moonshot.
The moonshot that's going to cure cancer, like Altman.
It's all going to cure cancer.
Remember, cure cancer is what they put out there for you.
You're going to give up your humanity.
You're basically going to underwrite the destruction of civilization and humanity.
How's that for replacement theory?
As we've said, we're on the side of the homo sapiens.
We're on the side of man. Of every race, ethnicity, creed.
Because we're in it now, folks.
And if you didn't think we were in it, the solution, Brother Allen, is...
And they just kind of lay it out there.
Well, the solution is a biometric scan.
For disinformation, all this is essentially to hardwire yourself into the apparatus.
That's it. With the biometric scans, you've got to give it all up.
Everything. Your DNA, all this.
In some central...and Elon Musk was in the David Faber interview.
The cybernetic. Remember, he says two things.
One, he's got Twitter.
And Chris Hayes nailed it but missed the point.
He says, hey, it's a microblogging site.
You have Twitter, which is apparatus.
Then he has Tesla, which he says in the interview is the most advanced artificial intelligence company in the world on the practicality of applying artificial intelligence To world problems now.
And he kind of dismissed ChatGPT and these others as several orders of magnitude lower in its sophistication than Tesla.
And what he said his goal is, what Twitter is, is a cybernetic global mind for humanity.
Well, hey, dude, I'm not so sure we want, need, or can use a cybernetic global mind.
I think humanity is okay right now.
This is happening at, I hate to bring up a terrible term, warp speed.
And if you think the warp speed fiasco He's had a lot of, hmm, maybe not great things come out of it.
Jared Kushner and Mike Pence and Tony Fauci.
Hmm. That's nothing compared to what's about to happen.
And it's happening. There's a big article on Wired about how it's going to have a huge impact on the 2024 elections.
I mean, even if you're not a machine person, even if you're just an old school, it was signature verification, and you can see that in the Cary Lake trial, and you can see that everywhere.
You have to get rid of these machines.
You can't have anything hooked to the Internet whatsoever with artificial intelligence.
It's the end of democracy.
You're not going to be able to have elections.
You can't. Because what they talked about was kind of rudimentary in this hearing because they had to dumb it down for some of these senators.
Josh Hawley stood out as a couple of others did too, but Josh Hawley stood out as actually understanding the issues involved.
The other thing is we didn't even have a conversation.
The executive branch of the government, this has all come out of the government.
This has all come out of DARPA. It's all come out of the weapons labs.
This has all come out of, don't get me wrong, they've had scientists, they've had researchers and technologists and computer scientists at these other places that were funded by government research or working with government researchers or working off of grants by the government, and they did tremendous work.
But they're talking about public-private partnerships.
Bang! That's the old thing for the government.
That's the merger. That's the state capitalism that the government wants.
That's the CCP's model, total authoritarian.
What was described there, and then later in the day, Faber had the interview with Musk, and they just kind of laughed.
Yeah, it's impossible. Cory Booker, well, you can't put the genie back in the bottle.
Well, who says you can't?
Who says you can't?
That's a huge decision we're making right now.
Just understand, take your number two pencil out and write down in May of 2023.
unidentified
Humanity. Humanity.
steve bannon
And the greatest republic in the history of man.
The bastion of freedom.
Of free men and women. Essentially made a decision, well, it's too late, we just gotta go with this.
After that hearing, I'm a hardcore Luddite.
No, I don't think an answer, and certainly for this audience, ain't gonna be a biometric scan to make sure the computer knows and you're hardwired into the apparatus.
Joe Allen, you do this for a living.
I mean, it was enough, a little pablum to say people, oh, we've now had a congressional hearing and maybe we'll have a couple more.
And, you know, while this thing is moving at the speed of light to the 10th power and they're bad actors, has anybody, outside a couple of guys that have punched out, maybe the professor, I just asked the audience, have you seen any good guys and all the conservative Inc.
fanboys I mean, Elon Musk has got the maturity and discernment of an 11-year-old boy.
Just does. I'm not saying he's the man with three brains when it comes to engineering and engineering problems.
But that does not make you someone you should trust decisions to.
That makes you a great engineer or particularly a great guy in the manipulation of data and the writing of algorithms.
Forget even your moral character.
I'm talking about just discernment and judgment and maturity.
You're talking about an 11-year-old boy who's kind of capped.
Remember, all the people that take a lot of drugs, they all talk about the psychologists, how they get capped at the time they started taking drugs.
I don't know when Elon Musk started taking them.
Right? Was it ayahuasca and all this crap that they do all the time?
But I will guarantee you it was some time before he came to maturity because he does not think like a mature individual.
And all the fanboys in Conservative Inc.
is fanboying on him right there.
That is pure totalitarian state.
So if you're comfortable with that, fanboy away.
But we're not.
And the war room ain't.
And we punch way above our weight.
On this one, this is a tall order.
I'm telling you. This is as bad as it gets.
And the only thing that's going to be worse is because they're not even talking about the biotech part of it, which I'm telling you is increasing and increasing right now in these labs throughout the world.
Joe Allen, your assessment.
joe allen
Well, Steve, I think it's their freedom versus our freedom.
Because that's the argument they're always making, is that corporations need the freedom to produce the products that people want in order to help Americans succeed.
But as you've said many times, artificial intelligence and human freedom are diametrically opposed.
Artificial intelligence relies on mass data scraping in order to be an effective system, meaning that it only works if we're laid naked in front of the great eye in the sky, so to speak.
And artificial intelligence tends towards control.
The systems, for instance, they're used in China, the Sharp Eye systems.
They're some of the most sophisticated algorithms on Earth.
What are they used for?
Monitoring a population and then categorizing people in order to give them the appropriate social credit score.
And the people who are driving this forward, all of them, with a few exceptions, all of them have one thing in mind, and that is to push artificial intelligence forward to artificial general intelligence, which they believe will be superhuman.
The argument that we're hearing is largely between people All of whom believe that's where we're going, and they're arguing about how fast we should go to get there.
At Meta, you have Yann LeCun, their chief scientist.
He wants to go as fast as possible.
So fast, in fact, that they are now openly releasing their code for their large language model, LLAMA. And then you have guys like Elon Musk, who signed the letter to slow it down, but then immediately created X.AI to protect the rest of us from the evil, woke artificial intelligence with his new based artificial intelligence.
And then you have Sam Altman, who occasionally talks about how concerned he is about humanity, but then offers things like biometric scans in order to save humanity from the mass confusion that his technology is creating.
And he believes, read his essay, Moore's Law of Everything, he believes humans will basically be replaced by the systems he is working on.
And on and on and on, Eliezer Yudkowsky, the loudest voice against artificial intelligence development, he is talking about bombing data centers.
But ultimately, he wants to see the creation of a benevolent artificial general intelligence, as does Mo Gaudat, the guy who was talking about artificial intelligence destroying us all in his book, Scary Smart.
Ex-Google CEO. He believes that Google is creating God as a child.
So all of us are in the hands of transhumanists arguing over how fast we become transhuman.
steve bannon
Exactly. We're in the hands and the grasp of transhumanists that are making the decisions about everyone being a transhumanist.
I would like to see a command given now.
To actually take out a data center and see if the computer actually did it.
unidentified
Short break. Your host, Stephen K. Back.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome back.
Joe, I know you got a punch.
Give me your closing thoughts on this.
People should know behind the scenes, people are working on this because a solution, what was offered up the other day is not a solution.
And step number one, we have to have a full accounting and audit immediately of exactly what the trains of dollars in this federal budget are paying for in areas like this that are quite dangerous.
These are, and it was said the other day by somebody, this is nuclear weapons to the 100th power.
These are nuclear weapons to the 100th power, and there's no regulation, no control.
And what they're talking about is either totally unacceptable, the biometric scan, or they were saying labeling it like you put on a, you know, you label a pack of cigarettes for kids.
These are not solutions, and we need to get on top of this.
And first of all, we need to make it a political issue because it is a political issue because it talks about the fate of this republic and her citizens.
And right now, people are just asleep about this, and they want you to be asleep about it.
This is why Faber and Moss just kind of chuckled at the end about, yeah, it's too far gone.
It's an arms race, and you're not going to be able to slow it down.
It just is, like Cory Booker.
That assumption's a massive assumption.
Maybe it's right. That might be right, but I would certainly like to have a debate about that.
I would like to see the information on that.
I would like to have a, you know, discuss that, break that apart.
As we've broken apart, remember, we got this audience on the debt ceiling, you know, a year ago when nobody was talking about it.
Now it's the thing. It's the main thing of how to choke down this out-of-control federal apparatus.
And stop the madness of destroying this republic.
So we can make it, we have the ability, with this audience and this platform, to make it a thing.
And we've got to make it a thing.
Because it's not going to happen without you.
This is why we brought Joe Allen on a couple of years ago.
And this is why we continue to press this and give you articles.
And Joe's spot on The War Room When you go on the website is the best knowledge.
You go there, you got all the articles, got all the information.
I mean, he's a one-man drudge in this area.
He's also working on a special project I think we'll be able to announce in a couple of weeks that will blow people away and will be on this.
He's been working on this for a while, over a year.
So, Joe, any closing thoughts?
I know you got to get back to work.
And I appreciate you taking the time to pull you off the project to watch the hearing the other day and to give us your thoughts.
But Here's the thing I want to leave people with.
They're trying to take your agency and give agency to a machine.
They're trying to take your agency, your human agency, which is what divine providence endowed you with.
Your reason, your mind, your spirit, your soul, coupled with your physical body, To, you know, whether you call it Dharma or Tao or the Holy Spirit or your soul, that thing that makes you quintessentially human and what you will be weighed and measured on if you're a believer in the Judeo-Christian West, what you will eventually be weighed and measured on by divine providence is your agency.
Your agency. You are what your record says you are.
What they're doing is taking your agency away, and these are the worst people in the world.
Think about it. Is any of these people you've seen up there, would you put your children's destiny in their hands?
Would you put your fate and destiny in your hands?
Would you put your communities, your church, your loved ones, your expanded family?
When you were a kid, your mom and dad and your brothers and sisters, would you allow the people that we've rolled out here on these clips Would you put all of that, everything you love and cherish, would you put it in their hands and let them make the decision?
Would you let Elon Musk make the decisions of what you love most and what most defines you as a human?
Would you? Because if you would, then we're heading down the right path.
If you wouldn't, then we got a course correct.
And I hate to put another burden on you with everything else.
That we talk about and discuss and have you do, but that's why this country is what it is.
That's why we had the revolution.
That's why we had the Civil War.
That's why we were the deciding factor, even with our allies, the Russians and the Chinese that took the brunt of the assault of the fascists.
We were the deciding factor in World War I and World War II and the Cold War, the great wars of the 20th century.
Basically the common man and woman of the United States.
So once again, you're being called to make decisions and to basically say, no, I don't think we're going to do this.
Let's go this way.
We're at that inflection point.
And it should be obvious to everyone that they're taking your agency and they're going to give it to a machine.
And then that machine's going to be able to actually program itself and have its own determination of what Agency should be.
That's where we're heading.
As sure as the turning of the earth is where we're heading.
joe allen
Joe Allen, your thoughts? Steve, it's definitely a question of the future and what kind of future people want.
Obviously, most of the people in this audience are not interested in the kind of future that Sam Altman is putting forward.
But you really have to question whether or not Elon Musk is really offering an alternative.
Basically, what Elon Musk is offering is transhumanism and technocracy with a right-wing twist.
And there are a lot of questions as to whether or not any of that is anything more than pandering to the crowd.
I don't know his heart.
I don't know what he really wants.
But I do know that for all of his talk about the dangers of artificial intelligence, he's right.
People I know in AI say Tesla is among the most sophisticated, if not the most sophisticated, artificial narrow intelligence on Earth.
unidentified
And then when you have Elon Musk talking about- He's told me what he wants.
steve bannon
He bought something that's only worth a couple of billion dollars for 44 billion with the Chinese Communist Party financing.
He says that's gonna be a cyber, that really is a cybernetic global mind for humanity.
His words, not Bannon's.
His words. He also said in that interview, he's the most advanced AI company in the world by several orders of magnitude.
He dismissed his competitors.
He dismissed his competitors.
He talked about the five million cars that could drive themselves simultaneously.
And to top it all off, And not to make too fine a point about this, but he also said the election was not rigged, that Joe Biden is the legitimate president of the United States, and that he voted for him.
That's all I need to know.
I don't need to know anything else.
Everything else the fanboys are gawking over, oh, this is going to be conservative, this is going to be Trump.
No, it's not. You're a fool.
You're a fool if you believe that.
The one thing I can tell you about the war room, We ain't perfect, but we are not fools, okay?
And you can buy that, and you can go down that primrose path, and you're just like the people in 1931-32 in Germany.
After the war, there were no Nazis.
Remember, after the war, I couldn't find any Nazis.
Hitler? Yeah, man, the neighbor's really into that.
I never really heard much about it.
You couldn't find any Nazis in Germany after the war.
Well, guess what? They didn't all get incinerated in Dresden or killed on the Eastern Front.
There were plenty of Nazis and there were plenty of people that were backing him at 31 and 32 and went to the siren song of that.
That's exactly what people on the right are doing today.
Guarantee you. This is not a hard one.
And we're in it now, and you've got to figure out a solution.
They're offering you the solution. Well, I've got a solution.
It's a biometric scan.
It's just going to bar you into the apparatus.
Joe, we've got a lot more to discuss on that, but I've got to go from the sublime to the less sublime.
We've got to get into some polling and just talk about the grubby nature of our politics.
But how do people get to you, brother?
How do people still get to your writings?
You'll be back with us full-time, hopefully in a month, from your project.
But how do people get to you in the interim?
joe allen
Well, Steve, if I could add two quick things.
Elon Musk's new CEO for Twitter, it's been noted that Linda Yaccarino is, of course, she holds a seat at the World Economic Forum.
She was, I believe, overseeing the Task Force for the Future of Work.
And so that should at least tell you something about Elon Musk's war against the World Economic Forum.
You can find me at jobot.xyz, social media handles at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z, and warroom.org under the transhumanism tab.
Thank you very much, Steve.
steve bannon
Thank you, brother.
You're a warrior. Thank you.
Okay. While we're on the topic of Elon Musk saying that the 2020 election was not rigged, not stolen, he voted for Joe Biden.
Let's bring in Marjorie Taylor Greene.
It's impeachment week.
It's impeachment week in the nation's capitalist bling, and I got Mark Mitchell to follow.
Let's do it. From your evisceration of graves in your call for impeachment, it's pretty dramatic.
Do you think you have the goods to do this, ma'am, the receipts?
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Yes, I believe we do have the receipts, and I really hope to see my entire conference get on board with this.
Because, Steve, it's time to end the weaponization of government.
And Matthew Graves was just number one for articles of impeachment this week.
This week, as a matter of fact, I'd like to let everyone know, welcome to Impeachment Week.
marjorie taylor greene
It is with the highest amount of solemnity that I announce my intention to introduce articles of impeachment today on the head of this America at Last executive branch that has been working since January 20th, 2021 to systematically destroy this country.
The President of the United States, Joseph Robinette Biden.
Joe Biden has deliberately compromised our national security by refusing to enforce immigration laws and secure our border.
Allowed approximately 6 million illegals from over 170 countries to invade our country.
Deprive Border Patrol of the necessary resources and policies sufficient to protect our country.
And his administration has willfully refused to maintain operational control as required by the law.
He has allowed fentanyl, the number one killer of Americans between the age of 18 and 45, to overwhelmingly flood into our country and kill around 300 Americans every single day.
These aren't just Americans.
These are people's family members.
These are their sons, their daughters, their brothers, their sisters, their mothers, their fathers, their cousins, aunts and uncles.
These are American families.
His administration has lost complete contact with approximately 85,000 unaccompanied illegal alien children.
And his policies have forced tens of thousands of illegal children into slave labor.
Where are these kids?
No one even knows.
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It's horrible.
marjorie taylor greene
Joe Biden has reinstated catastrophic and disastrous catch and release policies which have allowed illegals to flood our country and our communities.
He ended Remain in Mexico and reinstated catch and release.
Under Biden's command, the Secretary of Homeland Security has illegally granted mass parole to aliens when U.S. federal law only permits parole to be granted on a specific case-by-case basis.
He endangered the lives of Americans by allowing illegal aliens who had tested positive for COVID-19 to enter our country and infect American citizens, yet while enforcing strict COVID policies on American citizens.
His policies, directives and statements surrounding the southern border have violated our laws and destroyed our country.
Biden has blatantly violated his constitutional duty.
And he is a direct threat to our national security.
Therefore, Joseph Robinette Biden is unfit to serve as the president of the United States and must be impeached out in the real world where American taxpayers live.
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In this case, the employer is the American people.
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steve bannon
Okay, it's impeachment week.
MTG's on fire and she understands she doesn't have the conference with her.
Remember, she's trying to drive the conference there.
Mark Mitchell, once again, Rasmussen, you're always ahead of the curve.
You've got some polling on this.
I think that's fresh today.
Tell us about it. Absolutely.
mark mitchell
Before I start, I really want to get into motivation and why we're asking these questions.
Rasmussen reports we're nonpartisan.
We're an independent news media publisher.
And because of that, we like to hold the power structures accountable.
And if we see a power structure that objectively has things that show signs of criminality or need to be investigated, we're going to ask questions about it.
And that really sets us apart because other pollsters aren't asking questions about a lot of the things that we are.
And in this case, we're talking about Biden criminality.
And I think an objective person could look around and say that we've seen enough things that Biden should potentially be treated to the same level of scrutiny that Donald Trump was during his presidency.
And so, really, to dig into that aspect, there's, I think, three angles, three questions that we really are trying to do as pollsters.
The first is to pick a nefarious act and see if the U.S. likely voters think that it's likely that Joe Biden did it.
The second is then to ask how likely is it that Joe Biden committed a crime based on that act?
And then the third is really to dig into the level of support for impeachment.
So, really, one of the last times we were on, not too long ago, we really nailed number one.
And just a quick recap there, 66 percent of likely voters think that Joe Biden is implicated in his family's dealings, and 63 percent of voters say that it's at least somewhat likely that Biden was engaged in a pay-for-play scheme trying to set up and to receive funds for him and his family in exchange for foreign policy decisions while he was vice president.
So really, I think, you know, the numbers for that have been increasing steadily and are now at the highest they ever are.
I think the news today is that number two, how likely is it that Joe Biden committed crimes, high crimes and misdemeanors that would justify impeachment?
And we have record setting numbers today.
How likely is it that since becoming president, Joe Biden has committed high crimes and misdemeanors that would justify Congress impeaching him?
53 % of likely voters say it's at least somewhat likely, and 38 % say very likely.
The last time we asked that question was back in November, and that's a four-point increase.
And now, for the first time, a majority of voters say that it's likely that Joe Biden, while in office, committed high crimes and misdemeanors.
And the very likely number is up seven points to 38 % since November.
So that is, I mean, a huge turnaround.
And who's driving that turnaround?
It's actually Democrats.
So since November, the spread among independents is up a little bit.
With Republicans, it's up one point.
But back in November, Democrats, only 27 percent of them said it's likely.
And now 35 percent of Democrats say it's likely, and only 58 percent say not likely.
So the numbers in that one are now picking up and moving in the wrong direction for the Biden administration.
Now, you call this grubby.
unidentified
But hang on a second.
steve bannon
How can one-third – people are going to jump in.
How can over one-third of Democrats think he's committed crimes that would qualify for impeachment, sir?
mark mitchell
And 21 percent of them say very likely.
So, as of today, in the latest numbers, Joe Biden's job approval rating among Democrats is in the low 70s.
So there are a chunk of Democrats that somewhat disapprove or strongly disapprove of Biden.
And then there's also Democrats that, quite frankly, think he may have committed crimes and don't care and support him.
So there's that as well.
But impeaching a president probably shouldn't be as easy as it was during the Donald Trump presidency.
And I think there's an aspect of Republicans that want to maintain maybe some moral authority.
I don't want to ascribe too much motivation to them.
But if Republicans want to pursue impeachment, it's going to be a tough public opinion fight.
And looking into these numbers, I almost wonder if voters aren't looking for leadership on this particular issue.
But the question we asked also, should Congress begin impeachment proceedings against President Biden, 42 percent of voters say yes, 45 percent say no, so roughly split to no winning by a few points.
The last time we asked that kind of question was back in August, and I think I was on your show to talk about it then as well.
And then we posed it as, do you strongly support, somewhat oppose, or strongly oppose?
53 percent of likely voters then at least somewhat supported impeachment.
Now, the questions changed, and the yes-no question is, I think, a higher bar, but also a lot's happened since then.
Where we're at right now, I mean, voters are relatively split.
But if you look at the party numbers, 70 percent of Republicans now support impeaching Joe Biden, and only 21 percent say no, and independents are split 39 percent to 40 percent.
But now, why do I say that maybe perhaps Republicans are craving leadership on this issue?
We actually asked how likely is it that Congress will pursue impeachment proceedings against President Biden?
And the numbers are lower than they've ever been.
Now only 28 % of likely voters say it's at least somewhat likely.
Only 11 % say very likely.
That's an absolute collapse because we asked that question on the eve of the 2022 midterms and 55 % of likely voters at least somewhat supported at least I thought it was at least somewhat likely that Republicans would impeach the president.
steve bannon
Mark, we've got to bounce.
I need people. How do they get to your rumble, your YouTube?
Because this needs to be drilled down on.
It needs more time spent.
Where do people go to get the full impact of this poll?
mark mitchell
We're on GabGetter and TrueSocial, but especially Twitter is where the conversation's the freshest.
Rasmussen underscore poll, and also we're on Rumble and YouTube.
So I'll be producing a video really going into the details on this later, too, if people want to check it out.
steve bannon
Okay, yeah, we'll link to it.
By the way, MTG and others are going to start taking leadership, to Mark Mitchell's point.
When you have a split 42-45 at the early days of it, there's something here, folks.
Something happening. Mark Mitchell at Rasmus, and thank you.
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