May 4, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
| MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | |
| Thanks for joining us. | ||
| He's at 19%. | ||
| Hasn't really gotten that much out there. | ||
| I'm starting to hear more and more talk about him. | ||
| Are we going to actually have a challenge here? | ||
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I'm trying not to laugh, Joe. | |
| Can I stop you for a second? | ||
| Do you know how many people said the same thing about Donald Trump in 2015 on this show? | ||
| The same exact thing. | ||
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Yes, because there was going to be a Republican primary. | |
| But I really think that... | ||
| The mealy-mouthed Democrats, as I like to call them, and some of my progressive friends who would like to live in a fantasy land, they need to come back to reality. | ||
| And the reality is this. | ||
| The sitting president of the United States of America is a Democrat, a Democrat that would like to run for re-election so much so that he has declared a re-election campaign. | ||
| In that case, the Democratic National Committee will not facilitate a primary process. | ||
| There will be no debate stage for Bobby Kennedy, Marianne Williamson, or anyone else to stand on. | ||
| We're going to have another Bobby Kennedy in an empty chair in the debate, right? | ||
| There will be no debate. Yeah, no debate. | ||
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The Democratic National Committee administers the debates and they're not going to set up a primary process for debates for someone to challenge the head of the Democratic Party. | |
| David, a lot of Democrats concerned about Joe Biden. | ||
| They may not be saying it in front of the television camera, but man, get those cameras off. | ||
| And they're all like, are we going to make it through the next stage? | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| Is this what Democrats do best? | ||
| As Obama team said, they're bedwetting Democrats? | ||
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Well, I would want to say that Ben Redding is their strong suit, but we do fret things through a bit. | |
| The reality is, as Simone says, Joe Biden's going to be the candidate. | ||
| Joe Biden has a great record to run on. | ||
| Yeah. And Joe Biden's going to be running against somebody terrible. | ||
| I don't know whether it's Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis or, you know, Mike Pence. | ||
| But never get comfortable. I'm sorry. Everyone laughed when Donald Trump went down that escalator. | ||
| And it is not over with Trump. | ||
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That's true. But as far as Bobby Kennedy goes, you know, he's not going to have 18 percent by the time a primary rolls around. | |
| He's the Steve Bannon candidate on the Democratic side of the ticket. | ||
| Why didn't you say that? Because Steve Bannon has backed his candidacy. | ||
| And the question is, is he on the ballot in states across the country? | ||
| I think sometimes people forget that there is a very technical process when it comes to getting on a ballot. | ||
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And so, is Bobby Kennedy, you know, is Steve Bannon bankrolling his ballot access? | |
| We don't know, but I would venture to say not. | ||
| Mika's point, though, is very important. | ||
| And, I mean, Amy has the data. | ||
| I read it every week, honey. I'm subscribed. | ||
| A super-subscribed thing. | ||
| And I will just say that it would be a mistake for Democrats not to invest early in this race because it is not a foregone conclusion that Joe Biden is winning re-election. | ||
| There are questions with young voters, questions with black voters, Latino voters. | ||
| You cannot believe that folks are just going to come back out because the guy on the ticket on the other side or the woman is a Republican. | ||
| But we have a different future in mind. | ||
| The globalists can all go to hell. | ||
| I have come to Texas. | ||
| Okay, welcome. | ||
| It is Thursday, 4 May, year of our Lord 2023. | ||
| We're going to start, we're going to get to the mayhem in the Democratic Party. | ||
| Remember, Joe Biden, I want you to remember that clip when Michelle Obama announces, because Joe Biden right now, there's a subpoena that is in Ray, FBI Director Ray, as Marjorie Taylor Greene broke on the show last night. | ||
| A massive investigation is underway about a direct link to a foreign national and Joe Biden of taking Cold, hard cash for policy changes while he was Vice President of the United States. | ||
| Also, the contagion, the bank contagion, continues a couple of hundred points down on the dowry. | ||
| We're going to get to all of that. | ||
| But we're going to go to Budapest. | ||
| Matt Schlapp. Matt, it was great that Victor Orban came to Texas. | ||
| And to be brutally frank about it, Victor Orban gave, of all the great speeches, Victor Orban's was the best speech at CPAC Texas. | ||
| Talk to us about Budapest. | ||
| Talk to us about CPAC Hungary. | ||
| Round two, sir. Yeah, so we heard from the prime minister of Hungary today, and it's amazing. | ||
| Steve, I was telling you, all the left-wing European press who the Hungarians didn't allow to come into the hall to cover Orban last year, and they thought if they just called us every name in the book that maybe we wouldn't come back again, but we did come back. | ||
| And Orban gave a different speech this time, and it's interesting. | ||
| You know, all the things that he was called a racist and a fascist and a Nazi and an Islamophobe and all these crazy invectives, If you really look at all those issues, he's been on the right side of history. | ||
| And it's almost like he's calmly, as an elder statesman, walking through why having borders and having control over migration and why sexualizing kids. | ||
| He was one of the first people to say, we've got to keep these crazy woke people away from our kids and hold on to our Christian norms. | ||
| He looks like a prophet today, and he gave a great speech, and it was great to be here with him. | ||
| By the way, I was able to, thanks to your good offices, get four or five minutes by video. | ||
| Today we're going to host, we've got Bishop Schneider here for a big event, so I couldn't make it. | ||
| But I said, if you look at Orban, he warned us about Soros and fought Soros. | ||
| We're deep into the source wars on wokeness. | ||
| He was also the first to say, your sovereignty is tied to these invasions that are going on. | ||
| He was the first one to put a fence up full around this country and beat it back. | ||
| And the third, he's been the voice of reason about Ukraine. | ||
| They're taking Ukrainian refugees That shows you that the Hungarian people are open to do that if necessary. | ||
| Particularly as you're having drone attacks, they're talking about increasing nuclear weapons alerts. | ||
| Very scary what's happening right now. | ||
| Your perspective of what Orban has done for America, sir? | ||
| Yeah, so there is this relationship between Orban and Trump. | ||
| And you're right, the messaging is—they literally say here, make children, not war. | ||
| It's wild. You have the left-wingers who always wore the peace beads and the love beads and were always preaching pacifism, that the war drums about Ukraine are amazing. | ||
| And after they lectured people like Orban and Trump on immigration, It's Hungary that's taking the people from Ukraine who are fleeing the war site, because those are true migrants. | ||
| And Orban's no fan of Vladimir Putin. | ||
| I haven't met a Hungarian who likes Putin, by the way. | ||
| That's kind of another media myth. | ||
| And so you have this relationship between Trump policies of nationhood. | ||
| You were someone who started re-explaining to people this idea of the nation state. | ||
| And what happens in the EU is it just takes one of the weak sisters in the EU to come up with a bad policy, and then they all have to accept the same policy. | ||
| It's kind of a strange form of a confederation where the weakest link dictates what everyone else must do. | ||
| And Viktor Orban said no. | ||
| He said no on a variety of issues, including most recently this radical gender theory that's spread everywhere. | ||
| And now the EU is trying to say to him, well, then we're not going to give you the money that you should get back through our system from tax revenues and other. | ||
| And I think the Biden administration is exploring Using sanctions against Hungary because they're not beating that war drum. | ||
| And I tell you, he's stubborn. | ||
| The economy is tough over here in Europe because of the energy prices and the energy problems because of the war. | ||
| It's not an easy situation. | ||
| I don't think this man's going to buckle. | ||
| And I think the American people want a leader who won't buckle as well. | ||
| Matt, tell me about the, you know, you were good enough to get Orban to come to the United States and give that kind of landmark address in Texas last summer. | ||
| You've got a pretty impressive American contingent that CPAC has brought to Budapest. | ||
| Give us a highlight of that. | ||
| Yeah, so it's a who's who of the conservative movement. | ||
| I just ran into Kevin Roberts from the Heritage Foundation. | ||
| We have folks here from Judicial Watch. | ||
| We have folks here, Bob McEwen from the Council for National Policy. | ||
| So it's a who's who of conservatives. | ||
| And then we have two congressmen here, Paul Gosar, Barry Moore. | ||
| And, of course, Carrie Lake is here, and Carrie Lake is a phenomenon internationally. | ||
| People should understand that. She's not just a phenomenon in Arizona or in America, but over here in Hungary as well. | ||
| She's done a ton of media appearances. | ||
| It's a relatively small country, 6 to 9 million people, depending on how you count it. | ||
| They punch way above their weight politically. | ||
| I think Orban and the Americans who are here spreading this message I think the message is even if you're a little guy or you're not a superpower, you can start to change the way business is done in your country and in your region. | ||
| That's what's happening here. | ||
| I'm proud of the fact CPAC has played a large role in a lot of these countries. | ||
| on pushing back on this globalist agenda. | ||
| We have Eduardo Verastegui here from Mexico. | ||
| We're going to have dates for CPAC Mexico soon. | ||
| I expect a lot of great things from Eduardo. | ||
| That guy might change the very face of Mexican politics. | ||
| I think there's a people's revolt that's just burgeoning to break through, and I just pray that that revolt and that pushback cures what's going on in America, too. | ||
| I loved watching your Mika and Joe back and forth. | ||
| I have my own theories about what's going to happen. | ||
| In our presidential race. | ||
| By the way, Hungary always punches, you're right, they punch above their weight. | ||
| Remember, they're the first one really to revolt from the Soviets back in 56, and they threw down hard, which is kind of the lineage that Orban and these patriots, about their sovereignty. | ||
| Last thing, Matt, you talk about, and by the way, you're talking about a future president of Mexico, I think, right there. | ||
| I agree with you. Matt, I know you're very close to the Bolsonaros. | ||
| Yeah, you're President Bolsonaro and of course Eduardo and the entire family. | ||
| He goes back to Brazil and immediately they trump up something about some vaccine card and they seize his passport. | ||
| Your thoughts about that? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, this is the scary thing as our weaponized judicial system is going after President Trump, both at the national level and the local level. | ||
| This is what countries like Brazil do. | ||
| When you lose power, they try to put you in prison. | ||
| Jair Bolsonaro has done nothing wrong. | ||
| The only thing he did wrong is he's the victim of another bad election scheme. | ||
| And he's not sitting in their presidential palace. | ||
| And for that reason, they're going to try to... | ||
| They've done everything they can to damage his health and to put him in jail. | ||
| We expect that more to the south of us. | ||
| We don't expect that here. | ||
| I think Jair Bolsonaro is one of the most courageous politicians I've ever met. | ||
| I have deep respect for the fact that he's not going to give up on Brazil. | ||
| I hope he runs again. | ||
| I wouldn't be surprised if he finds himself behind bars. | ||
| And I'm just disgusted. | ||
| I'm disgusted that Merrick Garland and the rest of these apparatchiks are trying to bring what tin-pock dictators do in countries to the South to America, to the great city of New York City. | ||
| They're destroying our country by bringing these disgraceful policies, and it takes a rare person to stand up against them, and Donald Trump is that rare person. | ||
| Last thing, Matt, Jordan has announced he's doing a full investigation on really the attempts to assassinate and intimidate the Supreme Court after the leaking of the Dobbs, you know, the draft of the Dobbs, you know, declaration, the Dobbs, what they came down in their final draft. | ||
| They leaked that. Then they went to their houses. | ||
| Jordan's now saying, hey, why was nobody arrested? | ||
| He's doing an investigation. We had the O'Keefe schlapp, and now we got the Justice Thomas. | ||
| Give us a minute on Clarence Thomas, and they're going after him hard. | ||
| Yeah, so Clarence Thomas is guilty of being the intellectual leader on the Supreme Court. | ||
| And he's got no desire to tuck his tail between his legs and leave the stage. | ||
| And that's quite simply what he's guilty of. | ||
| Now, they're going to find Every made-up crime or ethical lapse that they possibly can in an attempt to push him off that court. | ||
| Now, they either want to push him off that court because they say at his age, you know, maybe it's just easier to be in retirement, and then they lose that intellectual bright light, or they're going to try to impeach him. | ||
| Let's be clear. That's their next step. | ||
| Impeach as many Trump or conservative picks to the court as they possibly can. | ||
| And look, my wife and I have been victims. | ||
| When the left-wing media, that cabal, decides to put you on an enemies list, and I'm told that we're on those, and I bet you're on most of them, Steve. | ||
| You're probably above us. And I'm sure Clarence Thomas is probably above each of us. | ||
| When they decide to put you on that list, they will stop at nothing to destroy you. | ||
| Conservatives want to win political debates and win elections. | ||
| The left wants to destroy and crush your soul, and we won't let them do it. | ||
| Matt, how do people get to you, follow you in Hungary? | ||
| At mschlapp, the Twitter feed is going crazy, and you can watch CPAC Hungry if you go to CPAC.org. | ||
| It's being livestreamed as we speak. | ||
| Thank you, brother. We'll start picking it up. | ||
| Thank you, brother. We'll meet with the CEOs of four major companies developing artificial intelligence. | ||
| It comes as the White House rolls out a set of initiatives meant to balance safety concerns with the technology's potential to improve lives. | ||
| Joining us now, the chair of the Federal Trade Commission, Lina Khan. | ||
| She has a new piece for The New York Times entitled, We Must Regulate Energy. | ||
| AI and here's how. | ||
| And you say we really face a moment of choice right now as it pertains to AI, so that perhaps history does not repeat itself. | ||
| Explain. That's exactly right. | ||
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Look, there's no doubt that these AI tools could deliver enormous benefits and enormous advances for people's lives, but we as enforcers and regulators also need to be clear-eyed about the risks. | |
| Look, there's no doubt that looking at the past two decades and how major social media firms evolves, you know, we might have some regrets. | ||
| And being proactive at this moment in time can help ensure that these technologies are delivering innovation, but without subjecting people to predatory or exploitative business models. | ||
| And we have existing tools and existing laws on the books, and so AI may be new, but they don't enjoy some type of legal exemption or legal shield from the existing rules, and the legal existing rules will apply. | ||
| As you said, this is often a black box. | ||
| We don't understand how the algorithms achieve the results that they come up with. | ||
| We're learning that the chat GPT sometimes tells lies, trying to give us the right answer in quotation marks. | ||
| And it's an extraordinary regulatory challenge to regulate things that we don't fully understand. | ||
| And if you could just explain to all of us how you're thinking about doing that, I think it would be really helpful. | ||
| So there are existing laws on the books that require companies be able to explain decisions that they're making, especially when those decisions are determining whether people have access to healthcare, whether those people have access to the financial system. | ||
| And simply for a company to say, the computer made me do it, the robot made me do it, is not an answer. | ||
| You have to actually be able to explain the decision making. | ||
| So companies should know that they can't just hide behind the black box nature of these algorithms. | ||
| They're going to be accountable. | ||
| Joining us now to discuss Jeffrey Hinton. | ||
| Jeffrey, thanks so much for joining us. | ||
| You left your job with Google in part because you say you want to focus solely on your concerns about AI. You've spoken out saying that AI could manipulate or possibly figure out a way to kill humans. | ||
| How could it kill humans? | ||
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Well, if it gets to be much smarter than us, it'll be very good at manipulation because it will have learned that from us. | |
| And there are very few examples of a more intelligent thing being controlled by a less intelligent thing. | ||
| And it knows how to program, so it'll figure out ways of getting around restrictions we put on it. | ||
| It'll figure out ways of manipulating people to do what it wants. | ||
| So what do we do? Do we just need to pull the plug on it right now? | ||
| Do we need to put in far more restrictions and backstops on this? | ||
| How do we solve this problem? | ||
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It's not clear to me that we can solve this problem. | |
| I believe we should put a big effort into thinking about ways to solve the problem. | ||
| I don't have a solution at present. | ||
| I just want people to be aware that this is a really serious problem, and we need to be thinking about it very hard. | ||
| I don't think we can stop the progress. | ||
| I didn't sign the petition saying we should stop working on AI, because if people in America stopped, people in China wouldn't. | ||
| It's very hard to verify whether people are doing it. | ||
| Okay, three years late, but because of this audience and your persistence, you're not only chairman of the creditors committee, you're also obviously the defenders of... | ||
| We fight for the replacement theory here. | ||
| The replacement of homo sapiens, right? | ||
| The replacement of man, made in the image and likeness of God. | ||
| What do they call it? | ||
| Biology, not silicon. | ||
| I want to bring in Joe Allen. | ||
| Complete total panic mode now. | ||
| Total and complete panic mode. | ||
| The White House is going to have a meeting, executive orders. | ||
| Total and complete panic. | ||
| Total. Total and complete panic, and we told you. | ||
| 100 days in the chat at GPT. Alan, Joe, help me out here. | ||
| And by the way, you, sir, have done a great service to your country and a great service to mankind because it is your reporting, your analysis, your connecting dots that nobody else is doing. | ||
| Nobody else. And are giving you the platform and pushing this as the signal, not the noise. | ||
| And what did I tell you? | ||
| A year ago, this is going to be a major topic in 2024. | ||
| And you had those idiots in Politico the other day talking about, oh, the topic's not being talked about. | ||
| It was all just nonsense. This is going to be huge. | ||
| And this is, hey, I'm not a machine guy, although I'm much more savvy on it now because of Mike Lindell and his great work, right? | ||
| I'm a, you know, mail-in ballots, non-verified signature is how they stole it. | ||
| But Right now, this AI, the machine's got to come out because AI, the machine will pick who they want to be president. | ||
| Now you have the White House in full panic mode. | ||
| Joe, you're going to be with me for a while. | ||
| I know you're in a special project, but we're going to come in and out of this because I've got to get Dave Brat up here in a minute for the economy. | ||
| So much stuff's happening this morning. | ||
| But I want to, before we jump into this panic mode and what they're doing in this White House meeting and all this, and they're going to put up all these rules, I want to remind people, and I put this up on Getter this morning, and this is why you've got to be on Getter, because you immerse yourself in kind of the pre-show of what we're thinking and how we're processing this. | ||
| This White House... | ||
| Signed an executive order that's one of the most dangerous executive orders in the history of this country just a few months ago, of which it was Joe Allen that broke it down, and it's the transhumanist executive order. | ||
| Now, they say, oh, it's the moonshot for cancer. | ||
| It's the moonshot for cancer. | ||
| We told you at the time, and AI is a part of this. | ||
| AI is definitely a part of it, although it may not jump off the page as some of the other biological. | ||
| But you have things going on in the weapons labs right now. | ||
| Lawrence Livermore, Sandia, all the weapons labs that used to focus on nuclear weapons, right? | ||
| Now they're focused on biological weapon defense. | ||
| Hmm. And AI, and others, and all these biological things they're doing, and DARPA, and all of it. | ||
| And that should be, quote unquote, the good guys, quote unquote. | ||
| You have no earthy idea what's happening in China, what's happening in Korea, North Korea, what's happening in parts of Eastern Europe, what's happening in, wait for it, the Ukraine, and Russia, and all of it. | ||
| Romania, Transylvania, You have no earthy idea what's going on here. | ||
| And now they're in a panic mode 100 days after ChatGBT. | ||
| Hey, dude, you're supposed to get the intelligence briefing every day. | ||
| Didn't you know about this a couple of years ago? | ||
| Are they spoon feeding this old man, those mashed peas and the peaches that Jill feeds him every morning? | ||
| Are they giving him a real intelligence brief? | ||
| I mean, what's happening here? | ||
| All of a sudden, they hear War Room, and oh my God, they're in back of Bobby Kennedy's thing, and that's why Kennedy's 21%, and now they're talking about AI, and we gotta get on that? | ||
| Come on. You stole the presidency. | ||
| Don't act like... You know you're totally illegitimate. | ||
| Everybody in the world knows you're illegitimate. | ||
| Nobody treats you as a commander-in-chief. | ||
| Nobody treats you as a president of the United States. | ||
| But why don't you try to act like it? | ||
| Joe Allen, tell me about the first... | ||
| I want people not to forget... | ||
| Our specialty here is connecting dots. | ||
| Do not forget this first executive order that's one of the most dangerous executive orders ever signed by a guy occupying 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, and that's all he's doing. | ||
| And by the way, he ain't going to be the nominee. | ||
| He's not going to be the nominee. | ||
| Bobby Kennedy's at 21%. | ||
| You've got Newsome hanging over there, and you've got Michelle Obama and Susan Rice, and they're just watching this guy. | ||
| You've got now, they've got subpoenas over at Chris Ray, this whole thing that Comer and MTG are on, and Grassley is big league. | ||
| Big league. Joe Allen, thoughts, observations, analysis. | ||
| Well, Steve, much like with the Executive Order on Biotechnology and Biomanufacturing and the creation of ARPA-H, the Advanced Research Projects Agency for Health, what we see is the federal government trying to basically put reins on a wild horse As we heard there about the black box problem, a wild horse that really can't be predicted with any great accuracy. | ||
| And ultimately, the more powerful it gets, can't be controlled. | ||
| And so you have, of course, the genetic revolution ongoing. | ||
| You have massive bio foundries, which are pretty much producing novel mutants by the thousands every day, such as Ginkgo Bioworks. | ||
| Which is where the head of ARPA-H comes out of. | ||
| And then you have all of the different experimentation that's being done right now on gene therapy in human beings. | ||
| There are about 200 clinical trials on that. | ||
| And of course, right now it's at the healing phase, right? | ||
| Right now, it's in the phase that, okay, we can use this to cure cancer or heart disease or diabetes. | ||
| But me, the people working in these projects, both with the federal government and, of course, with the corporations, have a transhumanist orientation. | ||
| And when I came on two years ago, Steve, I mean, that was the focus, and it still is. | ||
| The only reason we haven't talked about transhumanism as a philosophy so much is because At this point, the public awareness of the technologies that transhumanists are pushing for this sort of cultural and biological and spiritual revolution, those technologies are coming to fruition. | ||
| And so that includes the genetic engineering that comes out of, you know, the companies like Ginkgo Biowork, so on and so forth. | ||
| But now, more and more so, at least in the public mind, this has been happening for a decade or more, Now you have artificial intelligence flooding public consciousness because people are realizing that this is not just a glorified calculator. | ||
| These machines not only have significant pattern recognition power, but they also are completely unpredictable in their decision-making processes. | ||
| By the way, before we go to break, Joe, hang around. | ||
| I'm going to get Brad up. We're going to talk to Captain Marks. | ||
| We're going to get back to this. When he's waking up, the stock went, AI takes first scalp as education sector shares tumble over chat GPT warning right there in the beloved Financial Times of London. | ||
| The reason is that one of the consulting companies that had made a fortune and had a hot stock providing tutoring to your children about their homework plummeted. | ||
| Because they're all using ChatGPT not to do their homework, not to help with their homework, to basically just do the homework and hand it in. | ||
| The company imploded. | ||
| Okay, we're going to get back to all of this in a moment. | ||
| We got a lot. Investigations, capital markets, economy, contagion in the banking system, chat, GPT, AI everywhere. Only in The War Room. | ||
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It seems we have to die tomorrow. | |
| As usual. | ||
| They'll poison us with gas. | ||
| What gas, sir? It'll be fine. | ||
| We can withstand it. The problem is, boys, I don't know what gas they'll use, but I think it'll be scary. | ||
| And we have no protection against it. | ||
| Is there really no protection against this poison? | ||
| There was only one problem, and that was the double-edged sword of chemical warfare. | ||
| It didn't recognize your military colors. | ||
| It killed everyone equally. | ||
| And when both sides looked at what these new weapons had done, they were horrified. | ||
| We are entering a zone of danger. | ||
| We spent 30 or 40 years in the most intense negotiations over arms treaty related to nuclear weapons. | ||
| Chemical weapons because of World War I. Biological weapons. | ||
| The biological weapons treaty is even not that great. | ||
| Hence, the Chinese Communist Party is developing offensive biological weapons on gain of function nonstop of what we know. | ||
| This is the whole Fauci situation. | ||
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This makes that look like child's play. | |
| And the reason is this engine, this thing will actually can be creating its own biological weapons without any ability to control it. | ||
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Well, can't you see what I'm trying to say? | |
| Can't you feel the fear I'm feeling today? | ||
| When the button is pushed, there's no running away. | ||
| They can solve a protein structure in a matter of seconds. | ||
| How long would it have taken using traditional methods? | ||
| If you think 200 million times five, that's a billion years of PhD time it would have taken. | ||
| Over again, my friend. | ||
| A billion years. | ||
| These are the smartest guys on the planet. | ||
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A billion years. He did it. | |
| They did it in, what, 10 seconds? | ||
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Artificial intelligence and a free society are absolutely and totally incompatible. | |
| Full freaking stop. | ||
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When the world ends, go back to that clip right there. | |
| If you're not scared out of your wits, then you're not a sentient being. | ||
| We'll end with a note that you may be hearing often. | ||
| The proceeding was created with 100 % human content. | ||
| Don't, don't, don't. | ||
| Don't take it from War Room that you got a problem. | ||
| Don't take it from Joe Allen that you got a problem. | ||
| The White House, Morning Joe, Morning Meek, all of them, their hair's on fire right now. | ||
| Their hair's on fire right now. | ||
| The White House run around trying to get an executive order. | ||
| They're going to have meetings. They got the Commerce Secretary. | ||
| They're going to get the FTC, the Federal Trade Commission, the administrative state. | ||
| Hey, how about this? | ||
| Don't get the FTC to put up a regulation. | ||
| Drop the hammer right now. | ||
| Cease. Everything stops until this is what the top guys in the AI are saying. | ||
| The guys that didn't sign the letter. | ||
| And they didn't sign the letter because it wasn't tough enough. | ||
| They're saying, hey, look at the computer, the computational data centers. | ||
| And if any of these are rogue and have not shut down all experimentation, immediately take them out with a missile strike. | ||
| Not Bannon saying that. | ||
| Not Joe Allen saying that. | ||
| These are guys that have dedicated their lives and the visionaries of it. | ||
| You got Jeffrey Hinton. | ||
| And I know this from the Deep Mind guys. | ||
| I told you about the great filmmakers made the movie. | ||
| When you see the footage from this film that was shot in 2018, your head will blow up. | ||
| The top thinkers in this space, the top thinkers in this space are now, and now they've officially hit the panic button. | ||
| As they should have hit a long time ago. | ||
| And hey, the FTC, the Federal Trade Commission, is not going to stop this. | ||
| Joe Allen, I want to go to the heart of that. | ||
| In the 60 Minutes thing, we ought to get and deconstruct that line by line because it's so important. | ||
| But the middle of that, and this is what the immediate problem is. | ||
| I want you to describe to people about the protein in the one billion years of PhD. | ||
| What does that actually mean? | ||
| Because then I want you to address the dark side of it. | ||
| He gave you the positive side of it, which is quite positive. | ||
| But there's a big league dark side that's like, hmm, I don't know, a hundred times bad. | ||
| You know, if that's good, this is a hundred times worse. | ||
| Joe Allen. Yeah, Steve, that was Demis Hassabis, DeepMind, Google Acquisition. | ||
| By the way, they're merging now with Google's other AI projects with Google AI. What he's talking about is a program called AlphaFold, and we've covered this a lot on the show. | ||
| AlphaFold is a deep learning program that's able to predict the 3D protein structure that will result from any genetic code, right? | ||
| And so the The purpose of it is to fast-track the ability to predict the function of a protein, especially a protein that has been genetically manipulated. | ||
| That's the primary use. | ||
| Other than finding out very quickly what a protein that exists in nature would be shaped like and fit into another protein to create a catalytic reaction, it allows researchers to predict what the genetic mutations That they're working on will do before they ever set foot into an actual bio lab. | ||
| And it's not just Google's DeepMind working on this. | ||
| You have similar programs coming out of Meta, of all places, and even more surprising to me, out of Salesforce. | ||
| And there are a number of other companies that are doing this. | ||
| And so what it means is that if you want to create medicine, then you can do it much more rapidly. | ||
| A medicine would include something like, I don't know, an mRNA vaccination that has not really been vetted. | ||
| You can fast track that. | ||
| You can also fast-track bioweapons. | ||
| And so there was actually a study. | ||
| It was published a few months ago. | ||
| It came out of the Swiss Federal Commission on Nuclear Biological and Chemical Protection. | ||
| And what they did is use machine learning techniques to see if they could quickly generate toxins that would, of course, be fatal to human beings or detrimental to human health. | ||
| And within six hours, their system produced about 40,000 different toxins, bioweapon-grade toxins in silico, of course. | ||
| And so what that means is it's just an example of how it can be used to kill people. | ||
| Slow down. Slow down. | ||
| Slow down. This is why you got the guy at Salesforce who's a bad hombre who owns Time Magazine. | ||
| This is why you got Zuckerberg in Meta dumping the little phony universe and focusing on this. | ||
| Because this is real power. | ||
| This is real raw power. | ||
| I want you to go back and give me the $40,000 again. | ||
| Listen. I know you're sitting there going, Bannon, I got the debt ceiling. | ||
| I got the invasion of the southern border. | ||
| I got these investigations. | ||
| You know, I'm pulling my hair out as is, and you're dropping this on me. | ||
| Why do you do this to me? | ||
| We do it to you because you are the one group in this nation, and that means the world, that can do the right thing and set things right. | ||
| We don't put this on you to ruin an otherwise beautiful May morning, okay? | ||
| This is why we talk about things years in advance, and when they start coming to a head, you know, we got to go active. | ||
| Give me that again on the 40,000, because this was, as we said at the time when 60 Minutes did it, this was DEFCON 1. | ||
| This was DEFCON 1, and I've had a lot of smart people in this space come to me and go, hey, this is not a ticking time bomb. | ||
| This is a horse that's a time bomb that is now out of the gate. | ||
| Give it to me again what they did, I guess theoretically in Silicon, but could be replicated easily. | ||
| Walk me through that again. So this audience can fully embrace on a beautiful May morning exactly what we're talking about. | ||
| Well, Steve, as we've tried to emphasize, artificial intelligence, the power of artificial intelligence really lies in its ability to explore all of these different possibilities and locate the most effective or efficient possibility in any scenario. | ||
| It's not flawless, but it certainly works a lot. | ||
| Otherwise, you wouldn't see it being used so much in the financial sector or in the military. | ||
| And so what you have in the case of biological, whether it's just overall biomedicine or bioweapons, it is able to explore all of these different chemical or biological possibilities and show you and match it to datasets that would give you the most efficient path to create a medicine or to create a bioweapon. | ||
| So in this study, what they did is they just used machine learning techniques To explore all the possible toxins, chemical toxins, that would affect a human being. | ||
| And it rapidly, again in six hours, produced about 40,000, a pallet of 40,000 different biochemical weapons that could be used on human beings. | ||
| Now, of course, they didn't test them on human beings, but they did test it against existing biochemical weapons. | ||
| And they found it to be remarkably accurate. | ||
| If I recall correctly, it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 80%, and that's somewhere in the neighborhood of the accuracy of AlphaFold's record, which people will say, oh, well, it's just a mistake. | ||
| You can't look at the misses. | ||
| The hits are what matter. | ||
| And so if it hits even once and a bad actor is using it, then you've got real problems. | ||
| But if it hits 80 % of the time and a number of people have access to this, or as Jeffrey Hinton fears, an AI system goes rogue itself and starts doing this, then you've got real problems. | ||
| At least Kamala Harris is on this though, right? | ||
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| Hinton's telling, he's stepping aside to dedicate his life to this. | ||
| He's telling you already it's going to start doing it itself. | ||
| Hinton couldn't be clearer. | ||
| Hang on for a second. Let me bring in my moral philosopher, Dave Brat from Liberty University. | ||
| I know I got you here for the grubby banking system and the contagion that's spreading through there. | ||
| We're going to get to that in a moment. Step back. | ||
| And from the Judeo-Christian West perspective, I mean, this is the Antichrist. | ||
| This is what's been created. | ||
| And now you have people who are not particularly with us on the religious aspect are in panic mode, Dave Brat. | ||
| Yeah, well, a lot in life depends on who's talking to you, right? | ||
| I heard a good sermon. | ||
| I'll summarize it in two sentences Sunday. | ||
| The Mosaic law was love your neighbor as yourself. | ||
| On a human level, Christ came and said, love your neighbor as I have loved you, raising it to the God plane, Jesus as God. | ||
| And so what matters and why this War Room show is so credible is because the issues you pick It demonstrates the love you have and the folks on the show have for the people watching. | ||
| There's some political commentary out there this week about the likability of candidates, but someone posed it much better. | ||
| What really matters is whether the people feel that that candidate loves them, right? | ||
| And so these authors of AI, artificial intelligence, I don't think they could name an ethical system that they follow. | ||
| Not an academic system, not even, you know, Aristotelian ethics or whatever. | ||
| And so it's the people that are talking to you that matter. | ||
| You've got to analyze who that is. Hold on. | ||
| Hang on. Hang on. Ho, ho, ho. | ||
| Slow down. Slow down. | ||
| We've warned about this. Go back. | ||
| Hit the rewind. Give the audience that again. | ||
| That's the problem. They don't come from any ethical system. | ||
| It's do what thou wilt. | ||
| And this is why you have Salesforce. | ||
| This is why you have the guy that owns Salesforce that bought Time Magazine. | ||
| He's all over this. | ||
| This is why you have that scumbag Zuckerberg all over this. | ||
| This is why the 60 Minutes thing couldn't have been shouted louder from a rooftop. | ||
| This is raw power of how one controls the world. | ||
| And here's the problem. It's not controllable. | ||
| It's not controllable. | ||
| And we've been warned about this in myth and legend, Prometheus and all that. | ||
| We've been warned about this from time immemorial when man tries to be God. | ||
| Okay? That is what we have here. | ||
| We have man trying to be God. | ||
| And look at the people that are trying to be God. | ||
| You don't see them in the pew next to you at church on Sunday. | ||
| You don't see them at the synagogue next to you. | ||
| You don't see them at the mosque. These are atheistic, amoral, dangerous people. | ||
| And this is what they've now wrought. | ||
| Dave Bradshaw Allen next, War Room. | ||
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Demis Hassaba sold DeepMind to Google in 2014. | |
| One reason was to get his hands on this. | ||
| Google has the enormous computing power that AI needs. | ||
| This computing center is in prior Oklahoma, but Google has 23 of these, putting it near the top in computing power in the world. | ||
| This is one of two advances that make AI ascendant now. | ||
| First, the sum of all human knowledge is online, and second, brute force computing that very loosely approximates the neural networks and talents of the brain. | ||
| Things like memory, imagination, planning, reinforcement learning, these are all things that are known about how the brain does it, and we wanted to replicate some of that in our AI systems. | ||
| Those are some of the elements that led to DeepMind's greatest achievement so far, solving an impossible problem in biology. | ||
| Proteins are building blocks of life, but only a tiny fraction were understood because 3D mapping of just one could take years. | ||
| DeepMind created an AI program for the protein problem and set it loose. | ||
| Well, it took us about four or five years to figure out how to build the system. | ||
| It was probably our most complex project we've ever undertaken. | ||
| But once we did that, it can solve a protein structure in a matter of seconds. | ||
| And actually, over the last year, we did all the 200 million proteins that are known to science. | ||
| How long would it have taken using traditional methods? | ||
| Well, the rule of thumb I was always told by my biologist friends is that it takes a whole Ph.D. five years to do one protein structure experimentally. | ||
| So if you think 200 million times five, that's a billion years of Ph.D. time it would have taken. | ||
| DeepMind made its protein database public. | ||
| A gift to humanity, Hassabis called it. | ||
| Okay, it's a gift to humanity, brother, but you're missing the point, Brother Pelle. | ||
| You're missing the point. Joanne, you first, then we get... | ||
| In all the history and knowledge and all the geniuses we got, all the money that's gone up in research, all the university labs, we know very little about protein structure. | ||
| Very little. Very little about the core thing of life itself. | ||
| Very little. And you've got PhDs. | ||
| These PhDs, the guys have got veins running up their heads. | ||
| These are the smartest. These guys have 300 IQs. | ||
| These are brilliant people. | ||
| It takes one brilliant person with 3D mapping on a computer, five or six years of their life, and they come in and they don't do anything else for five or six years. | ||
| Think about that. Embrace that. | ||
| Five or six years. To get one, there's 200 million. | ||
| AI does it in seconds. | ||
| In seconds. When you say a billion, you don't have a billion. | ||
| We throw around a billion. A billion Donald Duff said, hey, bought the company for a billion. | ||
| A billion years of human effort of the smartest minds this planet has ever created. | ||
| Ever created. And AI can do it in seconds. | ||
| And here's what, it can also then start their own combinations in seconds also. | ||
| Joe Allen. So, Steve, one of the things that's come to the forefront of this conversation, AI doom. | ||
| That's Jeffrey Hinton. | ||
| That's, of course, Eliezer Yudkowsky, the gentleman from the Machine Intelligence Research Institute who calls for airstrikes on rogue data centers. | ||
| That includes a number of other prominent people like Paul Cristiano, who helped work on the human reinforcement learning interface for OpenAI. | ||
| Some say he's responsible for it entirely. | ||
| All these people are coming forward and saying, what if What if AI kills everyone, right? | ||
| No, no, no. It's called mitigate. | ||
| Listen, what separates out a successful entrepreneur from a failure is how you mitigate risk. | ||
| You understand what the risks are, and you take that effort not to not do challenges and to be aggressive, but you have to know where the risks are. | ||
| And what are you doing to mitigate that risk as you pursue your thing? | ||
| Yes, this has incredible upside. | ||
| I'm not saying it's not. | ||
| It has incredible upside. | ||
| It can transform the way we live and interact. | ||
| But the downside is not mitigated, and the downside is a bottomless pit, okay? | ||
| And it ain't me saying it. | ||
| It's the smartest guys that dedicate their life to it. | ||
| And so I think we ought to listen up. | ||
| As we're staring over the pit, right, maybe we stop. | ||
| Maybe we don't go over this at 1,000 miles an hour. | ||
| Maybe we go, hey, how about this? | ||
| Full stop on all of it. | ||
| And the nations of the world got to go full stop because we don't want... | ||
| What do you think the CCP? CCP's doing live organ. | ||
| They're ripping hearts and lungs and livers and kidneys out of people while they're on the operating table alive and selling them. | ||
| Or giving them to other party members? | ||
| Do you think they'd create the Wuhan lab and all the bioweapons over there and then exacerbate it when the thing leaked? | ||
| Do you think in a New York second they wouldn't do this for total global domination when you got the guy at Salesforce and Zuckerberg all of a sudden have an interest in proteins and an interest in this area? | ||
| You don't think they would? | ||
| Well, let me give you a newsflash. | ||
| Let's mitigate some risks. | ||
| Let's say, hey, maybe, and just in maybe, we've got to go to full stop Joe Allen. | ||
| You know, the biggest risk I think that most of the people at OpenAI, Microsoft, Google, Meta, the biggest risk they're worried about is not being first. | ||
| of not being ahead of the pack. | ||
| They pay all this lip service to the danger, to the safety, to human rights. | ||
| Of course, now they're going to have the federal government who will be a sort of mouthpiece saying, oh, we've got this all under control. | ||
| Kamala Harris has got this under control. | ||
| She's meeting today with the CEOs of Google, of Anthropic, of OpenAI, of Microsoft. | ||
| What I see coming is these limp-wristed sort of efforts to calm the public down and say we've got this under control as these companies continue to race forward to create what people are calling a doomsday device. | ||
| Okay, you hang on for a second. | ||
| We're going to continue this. | ||
| I got Brad. | ||
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| But I feel better now. | ||
| Maybe I can get off my rant. I can have a, you know, have a jamba juice. | ||
| I can do, you know, I feel better because Kamala Harris, she of so many successes. | ||
| I'll start with the invasion of the southern border. | ||
| She's done such a magnificent job as vice president. | ||
| She's in charge. She's going to take the meetings and have that bizarre cackle when they talk about the end of humanity. |
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