April 28, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
| MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | |
| I feel like we almost need to do a public service announcement to young conservatives. | ||
| Because when I was younger, we would try to emulate Ronald Reagan. | ||
| And the positive, the optimism, I still have it. | ||
| I still think America's greatest days lie ahead. | ||
| I still think, you know, we can find a middle ground. | ||
| We don't have to be hateful. | ||
| I mean, that shaped at least me and a lot of other people growing up to believe That you can disagree with everything that Tip O'Neill believes, and Tip O'Neill can disagree with everything that you believe in, and yet at the end of the day, you can talk and have a rule that at 6 o'clock at night, which they did, politics was put to the side, and they became friends. | ||
| Never became personal. | ||
| And think about what they were able to accomplish. | ||
| We've, unfortunately, conservatives have been growing up over the past five, six, seven, eight years thinking the way to win is to be hateful. | ||
| The way to win is to lie. | ||
| The way to win is, I hate to use this word, but with Tucker Carlson, it fits better than anybody. | ||
| Gaslighting. The very things that are a lie, you call it the truth and say, they don't want you, they're lying to you when they tell you this about January 6th. | ||
| They're lying to you, and we're the only ones telling you the truth, and da-da-da-da-da. | ||
| And people watching, for the most part, they dig below it. | ||
| Let's take his face off, please. | ||
| I'd rather look at David while I'm saying this. | ||
| They know he's lying. | ||
| But they think, oh, wow, he's getting away with it. | ||
| I can get away with it. | ||
| I just feel like we need to just stop at this point. | ||
| And as I've been saying for the last year, the laws of gravity are returning. | ||
| That if you lie about parents whose five-year-old children were slaughtered, you will go bankrupt. | ||
| If you try to beat the hell out of cops who are trying to stop a riot to overthrow the federal government, you will be thrown in jail. | ||
| And I could go on and on and on. | ||
| There are consequences, even for Tucker Carlson, the most powerful person in cable news, the most powerful person at Fox. | ||
| There are consequences to all of these actions. | ||
| And nobody's perfect, but the arrogance, the arrogance that we've seen time and time again, fueled by Trumpism, is just getting called out time and time again. | ||
| By the way, by liberal judges, by moderate judges, and by conservative Federalist Society judges. | ||
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That's exactly right, Joe. | |
| And, you know, I think it's really important to put out where Republican morality has failed, in many ways, the law has prevailed. | ||
| And that's what you're talking about with the prosecution of the January 6th defendants, where you're talking about the giant settlement that Fox has paid to Dominion. | ||
| Probably more Checks to come in the future. | ||
| And even in the Tucker Carlson situation, there's reporting that the Abby Grossberg lawsuit that was exposing sexism and bigotry in the workplace was a factor in Tucker Carlson's fight. | ||
| Okay, we're going to put a pin in it right there. | ||
| We're going to get back to that control room. | ||
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Just hold it right there because that's so... | |
| I actually thought... My producer said before, hey, they got a PSA up. | ||
| I actually thought... I'll get the fish hook out right now. | ||
| I actually thought it was a PSA. We got Burquam and Anthony Aguero down at the border. | ||
| Big breaking news about when Title 42 lifts, this invasion, as we talked about last night on the 6 o'clock show. | ||
| I've got the Darren Beattie from Revolver. | ||
| I could play another five minutes of that because Joe and them are on a roll. | ||
| But the obsession with Tucker Carlson, the obsession with our populist nationalist movement, 60 Minutes with Revolver, you see right there, they're frothing at the mouth. | ||
| This is their target. | ||
| Somebody put up an ad last night, one of the PACs, that they're running against ultra-MAGA. They're running against MAGA extremism. | ||
| Your thoughts and observations, sir? | ||
| Well, there's a lot going on there, as you say. | ||
| I mean, one clear dimension that's barely beneath the subtext is... | ||
| I mean, it must bother them to no end that Tucker Carlson just left them in the dust as far as ratings. | ||
| And also, they might have still some smidgen of... | ||
| Conscience left buried deep down in them that tells them that Tucker's actually saying things that they kind of think they should say, but they're too scared and they sold themselves a long time ago. | ||
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So I think there's a lot of interesting- And Tucker's making $20 million. | |
| Exactly. We're a free market society. | ||
| Tucker's making $20 million a year. | ||
| All these guys combined aren't making $20 million a year. | ||
| Exactly. So there are so many reasons for just personal and professional resentment that Come to the fore when you listen to these things. | ||
| But then there's the broader issue of simply, as I've said in other contexts, I've said on this show, now I'm thrilled to be in studio to be able to say it again in person, is that, you know, Tucker Carlson was a fluke on national television. | ||
| You know, it's one thing, you know, I came to War Room all the time. | ||
| We talked about the January 6th stuff all the time. | ||
| That's for a special audience. | ||
| That's for an informed audience. | ||
| That's for an engaged audience. | ||
| But to speak to a national audience on primetime, you're not supposed to be allowed to talk about it. | ||
| You've got to stay very, very carefully in the playpen. | ||
| You've got to be like Kilmeade and just give the yuck-yuck, give the... | ||
| Give the slop. I call it cattle slop. | ||
| You just got to give slop gruel to the cattle. | ||
| That's all you're supposed to do and it looks like that's where Fox is going right now. | ||
| 100%. They're returning to the era of cattle slop. | ||
| Hang on, we say returning. Tucker, with the hour of populist nationalism every night, and he had a lot of entrepreneurs and a lot of people that are registered Republican that are really kind of low-information voters when you consider the readers a revolver and war room or activists that are engaged every day. | ||
| Tucker was reaching them, and he was reaching what I call the Bernie Bros or Tim Pool audience, African Americans and young disaffected males who think they're being lied to. | ||
| That was the new audience he was bringing in. | ||
| The rest of Fox... | ||
| Even to the degree they started to come over to the right, it was because Tucker's audience was so big and it was becoming a gravitational pull to do that. | ||
| They're going to go back to the standard. | ||
| Look, the Murdochs who made the decision to fire him because they wanted that, they don't want populist nationalism in that slot. | ||
| They're all about neoliberal neocons. | ||
| They have the RNC talking points. | ||
| You're getting Lindsey Graham and Tom Cotton, the support of the wars, the support of Wall Street. | ||
| Don't go too hard on the budget deficits. | ||
| All of that. That's what Tucker was counter to in reaching a broader audience. | ||
| But why did these people go after him as an extremist? | ||
| This is the mantra they're doing. | ||
| You see it here now on MSNBC. Is Tucker Carlson an extremist? | ||
| Well, I mean he's an extremist with respect to the radical and malicious agenda of the corrupt and illegitimate filth that run the regime. | ||
| He's not an extremist with respect to the interests and beliefs of the American people. | ||
| In fact, he's very much in line with those interests and beliefs, and his ratings speak for that. | ||
| So the idea of calling the person who has the highest-rated show on national television an extremist, I mean, you might as well call the vast majority of the American people extremists, which is frankly what they do. | ||
| It has nothing to do with one's orientation relative to others. | ||
| Extremism is simply A disparaging term they use to refer to anyone who objects to the masters who control them, to the Murdochs, to the handful of powerful and corrupt people who think they have the right to dictate opinion to the rest of the American masses. | ||
| So the extremists, like so many other terms that they use, disinformation, what not, All the terms they use are not only fake, but they're actually telling because they actually describe what the people using them are and what they're doing. | ||
| I want to go to – we've got Ben Berquam on the border. | ||
| I want to talk about this extremism for a second. | ||
| This is one of the things that Tucker would very much focus on. | ||
| I also think Tucker was very close to President Trump, and you and I have this debate behind the scenes, brotherly fight. | ||
| Me with the CCP, you saying the administrative state, the deep state's the number one enemy, not the CCP. I think Tucker and the president would come down on your side, that the administrative state and the deep state, which I rank number two, is the most mortal threat. | ||
| Let's go to the border, and here's why. | ||
| Yesterday on this show, we had a congressman, Andy Biggs, that sat there and said he just got off a conference call with certain Executives in big counties on the border in Arizona. | ||
| And they were telling them they had just had a briefing by Border Patrol that says along the southern border of the United States, there's 700,000 to a million illegal aliens prepared. | ||
| When Title 42 comes off, they're basically prepared, he said, to storm the gates. | ||
| And the Border Patrol is not prepared for it. | ||
| The Biden regime is not prepared for this. | ||
| So this Title 42 that comes off is going to be something. | ||
| And, of course, the mainstream media will not cover this. | ||
| In fact, Joe Scarborough said right there, for us even talking about it, we're extremists. | ||
| Do we have Ben Berkwam, Real America's Voice, Ben Berkwam, and Brother Aguero down? | ||
| Ben, where are you guys today? | ||
| I'm over here in Matamoros, Steve. | ||
| I'm right on the Mexico side of the border. | ||
| Anthony is on the other side in Brownsville. | ||
| We were reporting from there yesterday. I'm actually in that camp we were in about a month ago, and it has grown probably double or triple what it was then. | ||
| It had over 1,000 then. | ||
| It has more than that now, and what's happening is as they come in, they're just going across. | ||
| We have 2,000 people a day crossing here, and I was interviewing people this morning, and they're all saying the CVP-1 isn't working. | ||
| As Mayorkas lied yesterday again and said it was, it's just an absolute joke. | ||
| And this is before Title 42 goes away. | ||
| They are lining up, they are mobilizing, and it's going to be a mass invasion when that goes away. | ||
| It's already a mass invasion, but it's even going to be worse. | ||
| Hang on, I'm going to come to you guys, just hold for one second. | ||
| This is one of the things that Tucker very much focused on, the invasion of the southern border. | ||
| Absolutely. And for that... | ||
| They call him a white nationalist, a white supremacist, which is not the case whatsoever. | ||
| One of the things is these people are suffering in these camps. | ||
| You saw 42 of them, I think, died in a fire a couple weeks ago. | ||
| But this is the mainstream media. | ||
| We had Todd Benzman in there yesterday in Reynoso, or just got back to Reynoso. | ||
| 15,000 Haitians are waiting for Title 42. | ||
| How can a guy like Tucker Carlson... | ||
| Report that fact, which you see on his show more than all Fox combined about this, and he's called an extremist. | ||
| Well, again, I mean, these are the things that the American people care about, but you're not supposed to talk about according to the corrupt and illegitimate filth that run the regime and who are, by the way, actively sponsoring this invasion of the country. | ||
| So, I mean, in the grand sweep of history, I don't think there's ever been a precedent whereby The illegitimate rulers of a regime, no matter how bad they are, no matter what kind of They visit upon their people. | ||
| I've never heard of an instance of them just welcoming this mass invasion in order to dispossess their own people. | ||
| Even Chairman Mao in China, who is one of the most brutal and murderous dictators in history, I like to speculate. | ||
| Can you imagine somebody going up to Mao, one of his advisors, and saying, you know, I've got a great idea. | ||
| Why don't we open up the borders to China and just allow a mass invasion such that In 40 or 50 years, China will no longer be Chinese. | ||
| Even the sociopath devil Mao would look that person in the eye and say, are you insane? | ||
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I think it would actually be a bullet to the back of the head knowing the way Mao rolled. | |
| Okay, real quickly, I want to go back to Ben. | ||
| Ben, you talk to CP1. It's an app. | ||
| It's not just an invitation anymore. | ||
| There's an organized process for the invasion of our country that's quite well thought through. | ||
| Am I correct, sir? Yes, and if you listen to the press conference yesterday, everything he said, it's all doublespeak. | ||
| He's saying, we're going to close it, the borders closed. | ||
| But then he says he's expanding it to Nicaragua and Honduras. | ||
| Everything they say is the exact opposite. | ||
| And we're down here talking to people. | ||
| You can see behind me, we have women and children, thousands of them in this slop, in this filth, living down here because they've gotten the invitation from Joe Biden. | ||
| And now they're here. | ||
| They're ready to go. It's setting it up. | ||
| Basically, Washington, D.C. set up this disaster so that then they can say, oh, see, now we have to do something about it. | ||
| But they created it. They created this entire thing. | ||
| And it's all on them. | ||
| And like you said, it's an app. | ||
| They can't run the app. I think they don't want to run the app. | ||
| I think they want this to happen. | ||
| Ben Burkaw, I'm Real America's Voice. | ||
| Anthony Aguero is down on the U.S. side. | ||
| I've got Darren Beattie, the founder, publisher, editor of Revolver News, very close to Tucker Carlson. | ||
| Been on the show a lot. | ||
| In fact, 60 Minutes went after Tucker, but there was 15 mentions of Revolver about the Ray-Up situation. | ||
| Short commercial break. Also, Richard Barris. | ||
| Some unbelievable polling from Emerson. | ||
| Going to get to all that next. | ||
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Your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | |
| Okay, welcome back. We've got an all-star lineup today. | ||
| I want to get back. Matt Boyle wrote an incredible piece. | ||
| And just make sure people know Matt is the lead political editor. | ||
| I think the national political editor at Breitbart, and his first job was with Tucker Carlson over at Daily Caller. | ||
| Matt was also very close to Andrew Breitbart. | ||
| Matt came over to Breitbart from Daily Caller, stayed very close to Tucker. | ||
| Matt was the guy With Tony Lee, I sicked on Megyn Kelly and the Fox team after the first debate in 2015. | ||
| 2015, the first debate, when they tried to kneecap Trump. | ||
| Bret Baier and Megyn Kelly tried to kneecap Trump in the first eight minutes of that. | ||
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So those guys went after her, and the rest is history. | |
| Breitbart didn't back down. One of the reasons we didn't back down, we had no financial relationship. | ||
| With Fox, and I had done that on purpose, and I had a great relationship and a lot of respect for Roger Ailes. | ||
| But Ailes will tell you, when Murdoch wanted something, and Murdoch wanted that, Murdoch wanted the hit on Trump right of the box in 2015. | ||
| Now, Matt's done an incredible job. | ||
| This piece is very well reported, researched, and not just because it reinforces what I've been saying, but what they've done, they've made a strategic decision. | ||
| They want that block back at eight o'clock at night. | ||
| They don't want Tucker Carlson talking to four million, four and a half million people who are not just Trump supporters but other people, too, talking populism, nationalism, talking about the administrative state, talking about the deep state, bringing up all the topics. | ||
| He would bring up. Look at Tucker in the last two weeks. | ||
| A great interview with Trump, but a great interview with Bobby Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. | ||
| And Tucker's always, I mean, quite frankly, the 60 Minutes thing, they went after Tucker personally, but the whole thing was popping up Revolver, where Tucker had given you the platform to get to a broader audience on the J6 and the Ray Epps piece. | ||
| Give me your assessment. | ||
| And here's the thing with the Breitbart article. | ||
| What they intend to do, and they may not be able to do it for a whole host of reasons, but what they intend to do is continue to pay Tucker the $20 million a year and keep him off of it. | ||
| Because Tucker, he could go build his own channel. | ||
| He could join a channel. | ||
| He could build a live stream. | ||
| He's got every option. | ||
| That kind of audience, and his little video the other night, the two-minute video, I think he's got 70 million downloads. | ||
| So he can do anything he wants. | ||
| But remember, They're $20 million to them, and they're tight as ticks, but $20 million to them is tip money to keep him off. | ||
| And this was my pitch at CPAC. The Murdoch's number one objective is to stop populist nationalism. | ||
| That is what they want to do. | ||
| They are neoliberal neocons, part of the globalist system. | ||
| And that's why they took Tucker Carlson off. | ||
| You, as close as anybody, your thoughts and observations. | ||
| No, I think it's a very perceptive analysis. | ||
| The Breitbart piece by Boyle, it's probably the best one that I've seen analyzing the issue. | ||
| It kind of harkens back to the golden era of Breitbart. | ||
| It's kind of nostalgic. | ||
| Let's not go there. Let's not go there. | ||
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Let's not go there. But Boyle, he's still on point. | |
| Yeah, absolutely. And it's very perceptive. | ||
| And again, structurally, it makes sense. | ||
| There's the managerial aspect. | ||
| Murdoch, they want to restore that kind of top-down narrative control where everybody is on message and the same thing. | ||
| They have little mediocre puppets like Kilmeade and the other jokesters who just kind of drink their coffee and laugh and laugh. | ||
| You know, it's just completely vacuous. | ||
| It's what I called cattle slop. | ||
| They want to go back to just slopping, giving the cattle their slop. | ||
| And unfortunately, a lot of people, you know, they're okay with that. | ||
| But that's where they want to go. | ||
| They want to return to the top-down narrative control. | ||
| Tucker could not be controlled. | ||
| And also there was a dimension of the Boyle piece about Bongino. | ||
| Bongino similarly couldn't be controlled. | ||
| And it just so happens to be that Tucker and Bongino were the only people on Fox that would... | ||
| Talk about Revolver News. | ||
| Talk about January 6th. | ||
| It's a remarkable coincidence there. | ||
| But yes, they want to take Tucker off the table. | ||
| They want to take that message off the table. | ||
| As I pointed out, it was a fluke that Tucker was on national TV in the first place. | ||
| He kind of got his position because... | ||
| The Murdochs tried so hard to kill Trump in 2016, and when they failed, even the Murdochs knew that they had to pay some kind of lip service to the populist nationalist movement that Trump represented. | ||
| So they say, okay, we'll give Tucker this slot here. | ||
| Little did they know that Tucker was not a Kilmeade. | ||
| Tucker was something completely different, completely unique with respect not only to his colleagues at Fox, but with respect to the entire American Union. | ||
| Well, he combined a unique intellect. | ||
| He's a curious guy. | ||
| So he's got a deep intellect and curious. | ||
| Number two, he's always been anti-authoritarian. | ||
| Even at Daily Caller, where he and I disagreed, Breitbart was a much more populist nationalist. | ||
| He was not at the time. He's always been anti-authoritarian and kind of anti-establishment. | ||
| He had that streak. | ||
| Then you add the facts, and his staff, people forget, he built... | ||
| That team of producers and writers were the best in primetime on Legacy Media, bar none. | ||
| I mean, he had a team. It's one of the reasons McCarthy came to him with the 41,000 hours. | ||
| It just wasn't Tucker himself. | ||
| It was the team that he had built that could go through the video and make his pieces. | ||
| It was the best produced show ever. | ||
| On legacy mainstream media, prime time, I would say Rachel Maddow is that level. | ||
| That's how good I think Maddow is. | ||
| I don't agree with her content, but it's a well-produced show. | ||
| Tucker was so much above the rest of the Fox stuff. | ||
| Right. And the rest, quite frankly, the last stuff you see on conservative TV. It's interesting you bring up Maddow because the ratings are certainly not comparable. | ||
| But if we look at the content, though, and I'm not... | ||
| I'm incredibly familiar with Maddow's show, so maybe I'm wrong here. | ||
| But there are numerous instances. | ||
| As I pointed out, Tucker is unique not only with respect to Fox News, with respect to the American media generally. | ||
| And there are a number of critical instances in which Tucker Carlson was the lone voice of dissent, the lone alternative view, with respect to the broad sweep of American media as such. | ||
| I can't think of a single example in which Maddo or anyone else can say, we're the only people on American media covering this alternative point of view on a critical issue. | ||
| Tucker was the only person who did that, especially when it came to foreign policy. | ||
| The one that jumps off the page, obviously, is Ukraine. | ||
| I mean, he was the only voice. | ||
| I mean, MSNBC and CNN have gone all in to the deep state. | ||
| Absolutely. Where it was the New York Times and the Washington Post that broke these massive stories of the Pentagon Papers all back in the 60s and 70s. | ||
| That's gone. They're the PR department for the regime, right? | ||
| It was Tucker. And I think that, hey, don't let it be lost on people. | ||
| His stance on Ukraine and the intellectual rigor he brought to that. | ||
| Not only helped all of us change the attitude on the Ukraine, people have been anti this Ukraine war from the beginning, but he was starting to get noticed because it's in prime time, and he's getting people that are not already activists and true believers, but he's getting those, you know, what I call the entrepreneurial class or managerial class that is really, quite frankly, low information when it comes to politics. | ||
| Right. Getting those, exposing those to, well, hold it, I thought that, you know, Nikki Haley told me this was for freedom and democracy. | ||
| Exactly. Right? I'm hearing something different. | ||
| What? You know, Tim Scott and... | ||
| And all the guys in South Carolina or Lindsey and everybody are telling me it's all, you know, we should be doing this like we did in Iraq and Afghanistan. | ||
| And then you heard one of the very first pieces Politico did was how in the Pentagon they're laughing. | ||
| They're celebrating. | ||
| They're saying this is great. They're high-fiving. | ||
| Tucker Carlson's gone. | ||
| What does that say about the military industrial complex? | ||
| Well, what it says is that all primetime media, and again, we can get to the 60 minutes thing because they're a clear example of this, all legacy primetime media, all of it is effectively state-controlled media. | ||
| Tucker was the lone exception. | ||
| Now he's gone. | ||
| And of course, the military industrial complex cheers. | ||
| Because, especially in the Pentagon, they're cheering, because not only did Tucker expose the hypocrisy and the ridiculousness of the stated war aims, he exposed the ridiculousness and incompetence on the personnel level. | ||
| Just how self-important and utterly mediocre these military officials really are at the highest levels in the Pentagon. | ||
| These people are empty suits. | ||
| They're nothings. All they do is coast along, taking their marching orders from lobbyists and the defense contractors until they can retire and take a nice $40,000, $50,000 a month contract from some You know, Middle Eastern country. That's basically... | ||
| Or get on the board of Raytheon. | ||
| Exactly. And another person thought like that was Donald Trump. | ||
| Let me go to Ben Berkwam. | ||
| Ben, you see this in the coverage of this border crisis. | ||
| We have congressmen tell 700,000 or people in Arizona, officials saying 700,000 to a million, they're being told, are prepped now at the border after Title 42 comes off. | ||
| A potential massive surge that they're blaming Republicans to try to balance the budget. | ||
| It's now the Republicans that are taking all the guys off the border. | ||
| Ben Burquam, your analysis, sir. | ||
| Steve, I gotta put the backpack down for this. | ||
| I was actually walking through the camp, but this one pisses me off so much. | ||
| Hang on a second. Actually, let me walk and talk as we talk about this. | ||
| Just the abject lies coming from Joe Biden to blame the Republicans. | ||
| And just make no mistake, the only reason why, I gotta clarify this, nobody has said this yet so far, the only reason why they want more money is to give more money to the United Nations, to the NGOs, That are operating this child trafficking and trafficking operation down here. | ||
| They don't want to actually fix the problem. | ||
| They don't want more money for Border Patrol. | ||
| They don't want more money for fencing and walls. | ||
| They don't want more money for infrastructure. | ||
| They want more money so that they can pay off the NGOs that are profiting billions of dollars. | ||
| It's an absolute lie. | ||
| Not only should the Republicans not give more money to this, the first thing, every single House Republican, if you're watching this, every single A citizen in America needs to call your House Republicans and say, defund these NGOs. | ||
| You want to stop this real quick? | ||
| You stop the operation. | ||
| You stop the ability for them to traffic people through the United States. | ||
| That's where it's coming from, these NGOs. | ||
| And this you can see right here. | ||
| I walked down into the camp. I'm going to actually walk you through in a minute when you tell me to. | ||
| But this, the camp is massive. | ||
| And you can see behind me that area of water in the river. | ||
| That's actually where they're crossing. | ||
| Everywhere else in the river, it's full of reeds. | ||
| There's three spots here they're crossing. | ||
| You've got the National Guard, Mexican National Guard, set up here as optics, just like we've seen before, pretending like they're stopping it, but they're not stopping anybody. | ||
| Your government has a program to exacerbate the invasion on the southern border. | ||
| You know, Tucker said it was the Great Replacement Theory, but he said it about American citizens. | ||
| It was not about race or ethnicity. | ||
| It was about American citizens. | ||
| They're flooding the zone with people that are not citizens. | ||
| And it's an active, ongoing program. | ||
| We're going to break it all down. Anthony Aguero, Ben Burkhorn. | ||
| We also have Richard Barris here in Sopoli. | ||
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All next in The War of... Stephen K. Bound. | |
| ...around the globe, an exemplary nation, and that has a booming middle class in this country that can sustain democracy. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Bye-bye. | ||
| We should note that during our conversation, Kennedy made false claims about the COVID-19 vaccines. | ||
| Data shows that the COVID-19 vaccines prevented millions of hospitalizations and deaths from the disease. | ||
| He also made misleading claims about the relationship between vaccination and autism. | ||
| Research shows that vaccines and the ingredients used for the vaccines do not cause autism, including multiple studies involving more than a million children and major medical associations like the American Academy of Pediatrics and the advocacy group Autism Speaks. | ||
| We've used our editorial judgment and not including extended portions of that exchange in our interview. | ||
| We thank Mr. Kennedy for the conversation. | ||
| Okay, let me be blunt. | ||
| ABC News, this is what they think of you as an American citizen audience. | ||
| It's too dangerous to have Bobby Kennedy up there answering a question. | ||
| Their editorial judgment, they cut it, and then they give this context where it's all false, right, on the vax and COVID and everything like that. | ||
| Where are we as a republic of free-thinking men and women when you have one of the major... | ||
| That's Disney, by the way. | ||
| If you're going to go to Disneyland and support that... | ||
| That's Disney right there, ABC Disney, Disney, ABC. Your thoughts, sir? | ||
| Well, I mean, yet again... | ||
| This is the reason Tucker Carlson's not on prime time anymore. | ||
| Exactly. Yet again... | ||
| The only thing you're supposed to see on mainstream approved television, which is sort of the gateway into consensus reality. | ||
| You know, there are a lot of things that we know and we can establish as fact, but they're just talked about, you know, on the internet or here and there. | ||
| People underestimate the kind of imprimatur of television, even as a crumbling legacy sort of medium. | ||
| It's still kind of the gateway into consensus reality. | ||
| Once it's spoken on An approved mainstream channel. | ||
| It can be something as sort of enlisted as a legitimate part of the discourse. | ||
| And that's why the gatekeeping function is so critical. | ||
| And that's why the American citizen, you're only supposed to see cattle slop. | ||
| The cattle are only supposed to get cattle slop. | ||
| And the cattle aren't supposed to... | ||
| Hear anything, you know, questionable about the vaccines or about Big Pharma or about, generally speaking, the disastrous policy response that our officials had to COVID. The cattle are not supposed to hear that because then they would moo angrily. | ||
| You can't hear that. | ||
| And so, luckily, they have... | ||
| Whoever this woman was, to step in like a good nanny, like a good nurse ratchet at the insane asylum and say, uh-oh, I'm sorry, you're not supposed to hear that. | ||
| Would you like your medicine now? | ||
| Would you like your medicine? | ||
| You're not supposed to hear that. | ||
| Don't trouble yourself with the vax stuff. | ||
| Pfizer wouldn't like that. | ||
| Here's your little medicine. | ||
| And that's basically how they treat the American public. | ||
| It's shameful. It's ridiculous. | ||
| And by the way, as much as they love to pay lip service to this term democracy, it's totally contrary to the principles of democracy because you need an informed citizenry. | ||
| And their whole purpose is to prevent us from being informed. | ||
| I think we got a clip also from, I want to thank the crack team here in the Florida Real America Voice studio and my own team. | ||
| Let's go ahead and play. I think we got a clip from Tucker and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. | ||
| Let's play it. The general theme of my speech was this corrupt merger of state and corporate power, which is turning our country into a corporate kleptocracy, into a system of socialism for the rich, and a cushy socialism for the rich, and this kind of brutal, merciless capitalism for the poor. | ||
| It keeps us in a state of war. | ||
| I have to say that's also a direct lift from Steve Bannon's speeches, but that's okay. | ||
| Brutal form of socialism for the wealthy, brutal form of capitalism, that's what you're not going to see in primetime on Fox anymore. | ||
| And that's why ABC thinks they can get away from it. | ||
| Exactly. President Trump and Tucker was amazing on foreign policy, but then Bobby Kennedy came in there and he was laying down about how you deconstruct the administrative state in this merger of corporate and governmental power. | ||
| Absolutely. No, I mean, RFK is a very exciting addition to the race for a number of reasons, because he's going to be challenging Biden, obviously. | ||
| And anybody who compares the messaging, I can't imagine anyone who would resonate more with Biden than with RFK. But he's also introducing a really important topic into the broader topic. | ||
| Sort of campaign discourse. | ||
| And that is the COVID issue. | ||
| That's the vaccine issue. | ||
| That's the lockdown issue. | ||
| He speaks about the lockdowns with incredible eloquence and perceptiveness. | ||
| So it's, again, that's kind of, you're not supposed to flank the system from either side. | ||
| And you saw this in a small way with Bernie. | ||
| And I think RFK is so much, so sophisticated. | ||
| So superior. But still, there was that kind of structural element of a challenge to the establishment or perceived challenge in the case of Bernie that was so unacceptable to the regime. | ||
| And the regime effectively neutered Bernie. | ||
| I don't think they're going to be able to neuter RFK. He's doing well. | ||
| His momentum seems to be strong, as we were talking about. | ||
| He's doing better than DeSantis. | ||
| Cue the Curb Your Enthusiasm music, given that he's married to Cheryl Hines. | ||
| Cue the Larry David music when we learn that RFK is doing better than DeSantis. | ||
| So it's an exciting part of the race, and his message is critical, and we need to hear more of him. | ||
| I want to bring in Richard Barris, the People's Pundit, because to... | ||
| Darren Beatty's point. There's a poll, I believe, out this morning that shows Biden at 70 percent, RFK now at 21 percent, up from 12, I think we announced it, went to 70, 21 percent, and Marianne Williamson at 8 percent. | ||
| The DNC has already said, because this is how they roll, no debates. | ||
| They're not going to have any debates. | ||
| No need for a debate, okay? | ||
| He's at 21 percent, and people should understand, except for Tucker, In the mainstream legacy media, he really hasn't gotten any airtime whatsoever. | ||
| They didn't carry the two-hour speech he gave to kick it off. | ||
| They didn't pick up Hillsdale. They haven't been in interviews. | ||
| And where he's seen interviews, it's like ABC. They literally say, come in. | ||
| Editorial judgment means that we can't show you 90 % of the interview because it's going to get you thinking about things you shouldn't be thinking about, and they're all false anyway, just as a preamble. | ||
| Baris, tell me about – there's an Emerson poll out this morning. | ||
| And look, I think Governor DeSantis has done a very good job in Florida. | ||
| I'm a big advocate of him finishing his term and then going on a full run at 28. | ||
| He's got a lot of work to do here in Florida, and clearly Disney and a lot of people are pushing back on some of the things I think he's doing right. | ||
| But this poem in Emerson is jaw-dropping. | ||
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Walk us through the numbers. Yeah, you know, Steve, I told you so. | |
| You know those people that always say, I hate to say I told you so. | ||
| Not me. I'll openly say it. | ||
| I mean, it was onward to 60 for Trump, weeks in the making. | ||
| DeSantis, look, people thought that when he announced he would somehow get some kind of a bounce. | ||
| That's never always, you know, always the case. | ||
| I mean, it can be with certain candidates. | ||
| But then what happens? Is that they get vetted. | ||
| They get a closer look. The scrutiny comes down on them. | ||
| The magnifying glass comes down on them. | ||
| And the truth is, DeSantis is not a very personable guy. | ||
| He's not a very, you know, one-on-one likable guy. | ||
| It's just the truth. He's a little bit odd. | ||
| Everybody knew that. So, you know, to win the presidency, you have to be liked. | ||
| This is really also the case when it comes to the Democratic nominee. | ||
| Because they're doing something more than keeping people out of the debate, Steve. | ||
| DeSantis fell with that scrutiny to 16%. | ||
| All right, and now Trump is above 60. | ||
| You have RFK creeping higher and Democrats are moving South Carolina to the front of the calendar. | ||
| Why? Because in Iowa and New Hampshire, you have to shake the hands of voters five times, six times, look them in the eye, answer all their questions. | ||
| It's not an expensive media market, so that's why we always have the tradition of competing in these small states first. | ||
| And Joe Biden is the first and only modern presidential candidate to win the presidency or even the nomination after getting his butt kicked in all of these early personal states. | ||
| I think there's really a bit of a narrative that's crossing both of these parties here, Steve, which is that people are doing whatever they can to hide these, I don't even know what else to call them, but defects. | ||
| Can we get the Emerson numbers actually on the screen? | ||
| I've got to be able to see that. | ||
| The Emerson poll, and you called it on this show I think a week ago, That Trump is going to get into the 60s, and I think at the time, I'm not sure you said teens, but you said DeSantis is going to drop to the 20s, the low 20s. | ||
| He's at 16 % in this Emerson poll. | ||
| The poll, it's 62-16. | ||
| It's 62-16. | ||
| This is a guy that was in certain polls was at 30 % or whatever and actually was leading Trump, I think, in certain polls right after the midterm elections. | ||
| He's at 16%. | ||
| This shows you his campaign right now. | ||
| Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. I'm just I got to point this out. | ||
| You have Mitt Romney's old polling firm dumping these polls out there, which I cannot believe some sites are even aggregating, without crosstabs showing that DeSantis is really close in some of these battleground states. | ||
| Florida will be out soon. | ||
| He's down in his own state to the former president, and it's not really that close. | ||
| So, I mean, that's a career ender. | ||
| And they're putting out these polls when somebody has a 30, 40, 45 onward to almost 50 point lead nationally in any primary. | ||
| They're not going to be down in these battleground states. | ||
| So, you know, somebody has to say something, call these people out for this because, you know, you got Nate Silver fired at 538, but this is the kind of stink. | ||
| That will remain in this industry if people don't, now that he's gone, call them out for it. | ||
| Polls aren't supposed to be used as propaganda. | ||
| We all know pollsters play games, but this isn't close. | ||
| If the race was like 10 points close, Steve, then maybe New Hampshire might be competitive. | ||
| Maybe South Carolina may be competitive. | ||
| They're not competitive. This is a blowout right now, going away. | ||
| If you look at the Emerson poll, he has no base. | ||
| There is no demographic base for DeSantis. | ||
| And it's very close to what we're showing. | ||
| He lost the older traditionalist Republican vote. | ||
| He lost the educated vote. | ||
| Trump has a 40 to 50 point lead among different working groups and certain income groups. | ||
| It's a blowout. It's not close. | ||
| Hang on one second. This gets back to – I'm a strong advocate. | ||
| The RNC should be like the DNC. The DNC came out and said, hey, no debates. | ||
| Kennedy's at 21 percent and surging. | ||
| He's higher than – demonstrably higher now than – DeSantis in a major poll, and they already said there's no debates. | ||
| RNC is talking about going to the Reagan Library and having the Washington Post guys chairman and do it, and they're going to have, I don't know, CNN and these others, groups. | ||
| Trump, why would you debate? | ||
| It's the Keebler-Elves. | ||
| Why would you debate the Keebler-Elves? | ||
| No, I mean, it's not even a debate unless Trump's there, and why bother? | ||
| Back in the previous cycle with the debates, Revolver ran very, very detailed analysis of the commission behind it and all of their associations. | ||
| It was a complete establishment operation, and it ended up as part of yet another dimension of the attack against Trump. | ||
| Go back. As much as I love seeing Barris and Beattie, And not myself. | ||
| Go back up to that chart. I want to put that chart up there. | ||
| It's so shocking. Yeah, it's more important than me. | ||
| Look at that. Come on, baby. | ||
| Come on. It's not even a question. | ||
| And at this point, I kind of feel bad. | ||
| I feel sorry for DeSantis. | ||
| I think he was misled. | ||
| The whole idea of him running in this cycle was ridiculous and counterproductive. | ||
| It's hemorrhaging the political capital that he built up as a good governor. | ||
| He should have just waited it out. | ||
| But I think people who had their own interests in mind, not DeSantis' interests, and who actually underestimated DeSantis, because the whole idea that DeSantis had this sense of urgency, he needed to do it now, was based implicitly on this notion that he's a COVID one-hit wonder. | ||
| That if he waited until 2028, COVID would be done and he wouldn't have anything to brag about. | ||
| So it's really an insult to him to say you have to do it now because the only thing valuable about you is that you didn't shut down the state in a year with COVID. So it's really done him a disservice. | ||
| I feel bad for him. He shouldn't run. | ||
| Barris, hang on. I got Ben and Anthony. | ||
| We're going to get a little jammed up here. | ||
| We're going to get it all done. We've got to get this information out. | ||
| Beating nailed it. The consultants are going to make $25, $30, $35 million in this. | ||
| That's what they're looking at. And the donors are looking at the same decision as the Murdochs. | ||
| They're neoliberal neocons. | ||
| They want somebody in that slot. | ||
| Okay? Look at that number. | ||
| Short break. We're back in the warm in just a moment. | ||
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Really? Did you know Ron DeSantis backed deep cuts to Social Security and Medicare? | |
| Ron DeSantis? Yeah. | ||
| He voted to cut Social Security or Medicare not once, not twice, but three times. | ||
| DeSantis even tried to raise the retirement age to 70. | ||
| I thought DeSantis was one of the good ones, but he's just another career politician. | ||
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| You see, Barris, I'm a huge believer in Beatty. | ||
| I'm a huge believer in President Trump, those little 90-second policy videos he's been doing. | ||
| Because once you get reinforced by the policy, you see that Trump is totally different than the rest of these Republicans. | ||
| And Ron is – and DeSantis – and this is why his campaign, his consultants have done a really poor job. | ||
| And I think it's part of the reason – I want to correct myself. | ||
| Barris did say on here he would be below 20. | ||
| I remember that Trump would be above 60. | ||
| He would be below 20. | ||
| I remember even people and some of the people in the chat room go, I don't see that happening. | ||
| Here we have Emerson with Trump at 62. | ||
| Can we just put it back up again? | ||
| Trump at 62 and DeSantis at 16. | ||
| I mean, these are incredible numbers. | ||
| And a lot of that, I think, is people starting to sit in about the policy differences and the fact we got the Third World War. | ||
| And I don't think Ron DeSantis, I think his consultants... | ||
| Did him a disservice by sending him, like, on a two-day or three-day jaunt over to Korea and Japan to burnish his international experience. | ||
| It looks ridiculous. It looks like some governor going over there, you know, bringing a couple of jobs back with a factory, which is fine. | ||
| Hey, I got no problem with that, but that's not going to put you on the same stage with Trump, who's bench-pressing the Ayatollahs in Persia. | ||
| He had Putin and the KGB backed off. | ||
| He had the CCP kind of in a box. | ||
| Now we're in a third world war. | ||
| It's just not working. This gets back to a mentality, and this I think is one of the important things for the audience. | ||
| The same decision-making that went in at Fox is the same decision-making that goes into these donors. | ||
| Yeah. They are neoliberal neocons and they hate Trump because Trump is the leader of a movement that they can't control. | ||
| Right. And they see – and I got to tell you, don't think it wasn't on the calculus of Lachlan and James Murdoch. | ||
| When they see Robert F. Kennedy Jr. | ||
| on that thing with Tucker Carlson and they go, man, we're going to have a year and a half of this. | ||
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Three nights a week. Mitch McConnell is not going to like that. | |
| It's not going to work. It doesn't work for us. | ||
| It goes to why I kind of feel bad for DeSantis because he's been so woefully and unfortunately misled. | ||
| Does DeSantis really want to allow himself to become the Brian Kilmeade of politics? | ||
| Is that what he is? | ||
| I think he's better than that, but this is the function that all of these establishment people are trying to use him for. | ||
| They're trying to use him as the Brian Kilmeade of politics, saying, okay, Trump we can't control, just like the executives couldn't control Tucker. | ||
| We need to take him off the list, and we're going to espouse this ridiculous line of Trumpism after Trump, which, as I've said, It's a scam. | ||
| It is a scam to get rid of both Trumpism and Trump because you can't disaggregate the movement from the individual. | ||
| It's ridiculous. That's not how it works. | ||
| But they're trying to use DeSantis as this instrument and he didn't know where his support came from. | ||
| His support came from the fact that he was aligned with Trump from the base. | ||
| That's why the base support him. | ||
| The establishment wouldn't attack him because they always had him in mind as the instrument to get rid of Trump. | ||
| Now he's put himself in an acrimonious position in relation to Trump, so he's going to lose that support. | ||
| And once the establishment is done using him as an instrument, they're going to toss him to the wolves too. | ||
| 1000%. As these numbers drop, and I said that at CPAC in my speech, as soon as they used up DeSantis, they'll go to Youngkin, they'll go to Tim Scott, Brian Kemp, I can already hear Brian Kemp's the new savior for all this. | ||
| Barris, once again... | ||
| Is this primary in your mind right now over? | ||
| Should we start thinking about the general election and pulling all the forces together to take down the Biden, Michelle Obama, Newsom, whoever they throw up at us? | ||
| This is where I wanted to go next, Steve. | ||
| The $200 million that big mega donors want to throw at Trump in this primary to lose and potentially damage him for a general election would be a lot better spent in matching Democrats. | ||
| Maybe you can't even match them, but you have to close the gap when it comes to this The national vote—harvesting gathering is a better word—vote gathering operation that they have built since COVID, which everyone thought or would disappear in 2022, it has not. | ||
| This is going to cost an enormous amount of money. | ||
| It at least has to be three battleground states, if not more, all to lose. | ||
| Because, Steve, I just don't know how you defeat a martyred I think a lot of people who are supporting DeSantis are listening to a lot of inaccurate historical analogies. | ||
| Like the primary will emerge a stronger candidate one is one of my favorites. | ||
| That's actually not true. | ||
| In my business, everybody knows that's why the DNC wants to keep RFK down. | ||
| Everybody knows that primaries, bitter primaries, do not help incumbents. | ||
| And Trump is not a new candidate. | ||
| He is more in the incumbent category. | ||
| Everyone who had a challenge, whether it was Carter, he ultimately beat Ted Kennedy, but he was defeated. | ||
| Herbert Walker Bush ultimately beat Pat Buchanan, but he was defeated. | ||
| Biden could be the only sole weak incumbent in this race. | ||
| That would be the smarter play here. | ||
| But again, once you hit 60, I don't know what DeSantis is going to do to reverse this. | ||
| Because again, there are reasons he fell. | ||
| And I don't mean to drone on here, Steve, but the first crack in his armor came from, ironically, when he flip-flopped on Ukraine and it became an issue. | ||
| And Tucker asked for all of these detailed responses. | ||
| Do you guys remember this? | ||
| This is when his armor first cracked. | ||
| And then the indictment came and just blew him away. | ||
| And it was, again, added scrutiny. | ||
| And Steve, I was on your show telling you he was Scott Walker 2.0. | ||
| That's what's happening here. | ||
| So unless DeSantis becomes a totally different person, this race is over. | ||
| Right. Richard, where do they go? | ||
| We're going to get to this. Richard, real quickly, what's your social media? | ||
| What's all that? Where do people get you, the People's Pundit? | ||
| Homebase folks, peoplespundit.locals.com and actually we'll be on after War Room on Inside the Numbers talking about this and other things in more detail. | ||
| A little bit more about Florida, what the polling says in Florida. | ||
| Again, it's a lot worse than I think consultants realize. | ||
| Does the wife have the day off normally in front of some incredibly impressive computer set with TVs? | ||
| Looks like you're now, you know, you're getting ready for your cover band practice. | ||
| She does! I'm calling management. |
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