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steve bannon
This is the primal stream of a dying regime.
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon
The reason I got a free shot, all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Babb.
Saturday, 15 April in the year of our Lord, 2023.
steve bannon
It's the tax weekend.
I know a lot of you are sweating looking at it.
I always have thought that tax day ought to be the same day you vote.
You notice they've separated those out, that the farthest really on the calendar is, you know, April, early April, mid-April from November?
That's for a reason. If you combine tax day and voting day, you'd have very different outcomes in this country.
All the anxiety you're going through this weekend as you get ready for Tuesday taxes.
And we've got a lot to go through.
Okay, next week on Monday, they're going to have the hearing in New York.
We're going to be either live or somehow stream it.
We're going to get all the highlights of that.
You've got the McCarthy speech from the debt.
We're also working on MTG. Others are talking about going on offense on the cartels.
It's time that...
We're playing defense too much.
There's no southern border.
We're going to have Colonel Mills on.
We're working on it. I think we're going to have it done by Monday and actually talk to you.
If you had to do deep interdiction into Mexico to take out the cartels, how would you actually do at the beginning of a war plan to really take on the cartels?
So you get to see all that. More stuff on the VAX. Dr.
Malone, I think Robert Kennedy Jr.
is going to be at, I think it's next week, is going to announce in Boston for the presidency.
I think Dr. Malone is going to be there.
So we've got a lot going on.
So much, though, is changing every day.
And this is one of the reasons we're focused on this artificial intelligence, because it's going to change everything.
It just is. And some of it's so dark that we can't even get into.
As we develop it and are able to explain it, we'll come back with details.
We're not hiding it from you. We just don't understand it well enough to be able to present it coherently.
Joe, one thing I want you to do, and we've got a cold open.
By the way, Josh Hammer from Newsweek, the editor of the op-ed section of Newsweek, really the best in the country, is going to join us next.
And then we're going to talk about the Satan clubs are popping up in schools all over.
They've got to be addressed. Joe Allen, I need you just definitionally, because one of the things at the war, and we want to make sure everybody understands and gets the nomenclature.
When you talk about artificial general intelligence versus artificial intelligence, a lot of our viewers have been with us from the beginning.
When you joined us a couple of years ago, know that.
But explain, when you say Altman is a believer in artificial general intelligence, and we know that Elon Musk is, and we know that Zuckerberg is, and Bill Gates.
What does that term mean, what we just think about artificial intelligence, and why is that beyond a game-changer as we address this issue of artificial intelligence, sir?
joe allen
Steve, the many definitions of artificial intelligence, it really becomes a problem when talking about it.
The original definition of artificial intelligence going back to 1956 with John McCarthy at the Dartmouth conference, that was any computer system that thinks like a human, right?
So this is human-level machine was the conception many decades ago.
Artificial intelligence, basically, they call it the AI winner.
It floundered forever.
The last 10 years, it has really ramped up.
And as it's ramped up, people have distinguished between different types of artificial intelligence.
The two you just mentioned, this is really the most crucial distinction to make when thinking about the technology that exists now and what they want to exist in the future.
So artificial narrow intelligence exists now.
And artificial narrow intelligence is just an AI system dedicated to a single type of task, a single cognitive domain.
And so an example would be an AI with visual recognition that's trained to identify tumors in an X-ray.
Another would be the AI systems that play games, like the games Chess or Go or any of the other games that AI has been trained to play.
Another one would be to create battlefield simulations, right?
And then, of course, ChatGPT or GPT Technology, all those chatbots, their narrow range is in natural language processing, even though this is why people are freaking out about GPT, There's some flexibility there,
so it's able to recognize, for instance, objects and translate that into text and make meaningful statements about it, which there are separate systems that do that, of course, but you're talking about a massive system that's starting to show these emergent semi-generalist tendencies.
Now, when you talk about artificial general intelligence, what that means is you have multiple cognitive modules All operating at once.
The machine can move from one domain to the other, to the other, to the other.
These systems would be operating simultaneously.
This is conceived of as being human-level intelligence in the sense that humans, obviously, and any animal, operates with a kind of generalized intelligence.
The same brain does different things across different tasks.
But the big difference with artificial general intelligence would be That it would operate at superhuman capacities.
So all of these narrow systems I've just mentioned, all of them operate at superhuman capacities.
All of them. The best humans, anyway, don't stand a chance against them.
And then, of course, mediocre people don't either.
The idea, then, is that once you've created an artificial general intelligence, you now have, in effect, superhuman intelligence, a godlike entity.
This is the way they conceive of it, this godlike entity.
And something that's also really important to note, Steve, is that even though the goal would be to make it as much like a human as possible, including sort of programs that simulate emotion, including empathy, self-preservation, so on and so forth, instincts, In my evaluation, there's literally no way it's going to be anything like a human.
It would be something very alien, something very monstrous.
People oftentimes compare it to the show goths from H.P. Lovecraft's horror stories back in the day, and people oftentimes compare it to an alien mind, and people oftentimes compare it to a demon.
But that's the important distinction there.
Superintelligence Would be any system that gets out of human control.
It could be narrow or general.
Also very important, with the main distinctions to be made, narrow intelligence and general intelligence.
steve bannon
Also, talk to me, is it AGI where you reach the stage where it actually can recreate itself?
I mean, at artificial intelligence, it's sweeping everything we've created, but at artificial general intelligence, the thing itself starts to recreate itself and expand its own powers?
joe allen
Absolutely. And even so, like a narrow intelligence like GPT, right?
GPT-4 is capable, and chat GPT, it's capable of writing code.
And Google's systems at DeepMind are capable of writing code.
They don't have access to their own systems, so they're not actively rewriting their own codes.
But they are improving on the work of human coders, and they're creating codes that human coders aren't creating.
And the idea, and this is talked about, we've covered this a lot, guys like Ben Gertzel, guys like Ray Kurzweil, and especially guys like Nick Bostrom, the idea that they put forward is that these systems would be going in and improving themselves.
And so once that self-improvement process starts, Nick Bostrom calls this an intelligence explosion.
It would just improve exponentially out of human control.
And that's why they talk about alignment, AI alignment, because if an AI reaches a superintelligent phase, then the superintelligence would quickly escape human control and may not have our best interests at heart.
That is why the Future of Life Institute put out that open letter.
steve bannon
I want to ask about Lovecraft for a second, but I want to put something out of Denver.
Bennett Miller, one of the great cinematic artists, a writer-director, did Moneyball, if you remember that, and just a fabulous director.
I sat for interviews with him on the topic of transhumanism a number of years ago.
He's got a—to show you how scary this is, But also how haunting.
He's got a, if you put it up at the Gagosian, which is one of the premier galleries in New York City on Madison Avenue.
He's got a showing.
If you're in the New York area, this is totally free.
You can go. Obviously, they want you to buy these things.
All of these prints, all of these photographs, all of these images.
Bennett Miller had, I mean, this is all from artificial intelligence, all of it.
And it's not the science fiction stuff you're used to seeing.
This is haunting, it looks like from the 17th, 16th, it looks like 17th, 18th, and 19th century, early 20th century.
It is stunning and haunting all artificial intelligence.
It's a gallery. We're actually going to put it up.
I'll get Grace and Mo put it on the site.
You ought to go. If you're in the New York City area, anywhere, it is definitely worth going by and seeing this.
Teilhard de Chardin, the Jesuit anthropologist, I guess he would be, Is considered the intellectual with the noosphere is one of the intellectual thinkers in back of the Internet, the noosphere, right?
The web of thought that encapsulates the world that the Internet kind of has become.
H.P. Lovecraft is talked about when you talk about transhumanism, particularly artificial intelligence.
Why is that? Lovecraft was from the earliest 20th century, correct?
It was a kind of a science fiction mystery writer, even horror fiction at the time.
Joe Allen, give me a minute or two for the audience.
We're trying to build your information knowledge base here.
Why do people talk about Lovecraft?
They talk about D. Chardin, about the Internet.
When they talk about artificial intelligence or transhumanism, they talk about H.P. Lovecraft, sir.
joe allen
Yeah, Lovecraft's Cthulhu mythos is extraordinarily popular and very, very influential in science fiction or horror, depending on how you want to look at it.
But the idea, the basic idea in that mythos was that our world is a kind of controlled, safe place, but the greater powers of the universe are these super intelligent, horrific, oftentimes tentacled or, you know, just monstrous beings that, should they enter our world again, would destroy us.
And so he was obsessed with these sorts of cults.
They were oftentimes framed in the kind of voodoo And these cults were trying to summon these monsters, these Shoggoths, back into our world.
And so the reason it's compared to artificial intelligence is that in the same way that these Shoggoths were being summoned by these bad actors on Earth, And in the same way, these Shoggoths were completely beyond human comprehension and posed a real threat to all humanity because of this odd cognition that doesn't regard humans as valuable.
Artificial intelligence in its raw state, before you start putting on safety layers, and certainly in its raw state, it is It's pretty uncontrollable.
It just kind of does what it wants to do, so to speak.
Because it's working on fuzzy logic, because it's working through statistical patterns instead of step-by-step algorithms in traditional programming, there's this unpredictability about it.
And the more powerful the machine, the more unpredictable it is.
And so that comparison to the Shoggoths, I think it's very apt.
You simply have a system, you can't understand why it came to the conclusion it did, because the system is so vast, it really can't be audited in any meaningful way, and you don't really know why it's doing what it's doing, unless it's steered, right? Unless, you know, Yudkowsky and Musk, people like that, unless you bring it into human alignment, it is not going to necessarily do what you want it to do.
steve bannon
I don't believe there are controls.
Maybe we'll talk about that next week.
I don't buy into the fact they've really got controls.
I think this thing can burn through any control you have.
I just think that.
I'm a believer that we're building the Antichrist.
Joe, you've been amazing to carve out your time here today.
I know you're busy working on a bunch of big projects.
How do people get to you over the weekend?
joe allen
How do they follow you, sir? You can find me at warroom.org under the transhumanism tab, jobot.xyz, my social media at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z. New piece at the top of my social media about the digital undead, Microsoft, Amazon, and other startups creating profiles of you and a sort of zombie version of people so that when you pass on, your loved ones will have you around.
unidentified
Very, very eerie. Very eerie.
steve bannon
Joe Allen, thank you.
Keep fighting the good fight.
One of America's top young thinkers, Josh Hammer, from Newsweek, next in The War Room.
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The War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Babb.
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Only certain people are allowed in, but who's allowing?
That's the real question.
Who is it? I don't.
Maybe there isn't one. And maybe that's the beautiful part of it.
Do you have any relationship to the concept of girlhood?
I absolutely do. I find girlhood to be inspiring.
There are a lot of human beings who are girls who transcend what their gender is supposed to be.
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What do you think, people?
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Okay. Oh, we got to do my signature.
steve bannon
Okay, thanks. Okay, Josh Hammer, the editor in charge of, I think, the most impressive op-ed page or part of a magazine over at Newsweek joins us.
Josh, there's a huge boycott going on.
I think the market cap of the stock is down $4 or $5 billion.
We hear that the sales are plummeting.
Walk our audience through what is going on here.
The very first day that he did the rack of Bud Lights, we actually played the clip and told our audience that we thought that people should stop buying Bud Light because it's so egregious.
But walk us through your piece and how important is this in American culture right now?
josh hammer
You know, Steve, if you had played that video for literally probably 15 more seconds, I probably would have had to run to the bathroom and just start puking my lungs out, to be honest with you.
I mean, it is just profoundly sad, but also evincing and indicative of where we are as a country, that this sort of video gets the Gen Z folks hooked, that this is what they're hooked on.
Get that off right off the top here.
But when it comes to the Bud Light stunt in particular, and call it a stunt, call it a gambit, whatever you want to call it, but it really obviously is kind of the quintessence of performative corporate virtue signaling.
When this happened at this point probably two weeks ago or so, I had so many apolitical friends, friends who, unlike you and I, Steve, are not necessarily kind of demonized.
We plugged in, watching the news, checking social media, talking about this stuff day in and day out.
I had so many generally just apolitical friends from childhood through the past five years of my life text me and say, what the hell is going on here?
I mean, I think to my one childhood friend who's been a buddy of mine literally since we were in kindergarten together, he texted me and said, Josh, I've been a Bud Light drinker for years.
That's my go-to drink at the supermarket, at the bar, you name it, I'm done.
I am just literally done.
And I heard that sentiment or something along those lines.
over and over again.
And the pushback, it hasn't necessarily been kind of quarterback coordinated from a 35,000-foot altitude view or something.
I mean, there's no one kind of shouting from the commanding rooftops.
It's not like one person.
It's been a fairly kind of organic kind of grassroots uprising that has resulted, as you said, In Anheuser-Busch losing about $4.5 to $5 billion in their market capitalization, in their stock price, in their corporate value as of the time that you and I are speaking.
And it's been unfolding all across America.
This past week, I think it was Fox Business, ran a headline about the carnage.
They used the word carnage or the carnage in the bloodbath about what is happening in Bud Light right now.
They quoted this bar owner in Missouri who's saying that he's going to stop ordering Bud Light in his bar, John Rich, the country star.
Was on TV earlier this week.
He owns a popular country bar in downtown Nashville.
Bud Light was his number one best-selling beer.
He's going to stop ordering it because no one wants it anymore.
So the big takeaway here, and I have a few examples in my column this week.
This is not the only example, but the big takeaway here.
is that conservatives and the right in general, because query whether the term conservative is even appropriate in the year 2023, the right, rightists, Americanists, traditionalists, whatever you want to call us, we have just as much capability as does the left to rise up in unison and to dictate our preferences as consumers.
I mean, all we're trying to do is just use the market.
We are just using our consumer preferences to shift behavior.
And when the corporations have capitulated to wokeism, the extent to which they do, Yes, we need public policy solutions, antitrust, all that stuff.
I think you and I agree on pretty much all that stuff.
But the consumers have a role to play, too.
And that's been very hardening and encouraging, actually, I think, to see the American rights stand up like this.
steve bannon
They had the young woman who's, I think, the brand manager.
She'd gone to Harvard. She was on Talking, and they had a clip.
We actually played it, talking about how to get into Fratty.
The commercials weren't working.
They had to re-change the brand.
Dylan is also associated with Nike, with doing a sports bra, right?
The Nike and Anheuser-Busch are two of the most sophisticated companies in the world when it comes to market analysis, advertising.
I mean, these people are, this is a machine, and that machine runs off analytics.
What are they seeing when they look at American culture in 2023 that we're not seeing?
Because they're clearly seeing something.
And they're not, listen, so far, even with a massive hit to market cap, Nike's taking blowback, Tampax.
Others are associated with it.
They're not backing off right now.
So what are they seeing in the math, do you think, these two sophisticated marketing behemoths at Nike and at Anheuser-Busch that maybe Josh Hammer and Steve Bannon are not?
josh hammer
Well, you know, I think the innocent explanation is basically what you're suggesting here.
I think the innocent explanation is what I think Alyssa Heinerscheid is her name.
She's kind of the now infamous vice president of marketing for Bud Light, where on that video she said our customers are too fratty, we need to find new audiences.
You know, if you take her at her word, I think that is kind of the more innocent, anodon, innocuous explanation.
The slightly more pernicious explanation.
is that this is not about reaching new audiences.
Rather, this is trying to use the power of a corporate behemoth of Anheuser-Busch's stature or Nike, Disney, any of these other kind of iconic American companies that once upon a time were as American as apple pie, and using that power to try to transform society.
I mean, fundamentally, when we speak about so-called woke capital, a term that I have somewhat mixed thoughts on, but when we actually use that term, that's really what we're getting at.
We're talking about kind of corporate actors trying to make cultural or civilizational change, the likes of which would have been, frankly, probably impossible outside of the direct political process as recently as 10, 15 years ago.
This is a fairly new phenomenon, obviously.
So it's just not obvious to me, I guess, that we're missing something, because I'm not convinced that they're actually just doing a straight kind of marketing perspective.
But, you know, again, the proof will ultimately be in the pudding.
I mean, we'll see how far this market cap drops, right?
We'll see how far the stock price ultimately drops.
But if you look at kind of the transgender issue, the public polling on this issue is very, very, very far.
From a slam dunk for the left, you know, transgender, gender-affirming care surgeries, whatever kind of dystopian term you want to call it for minors, that continues to be a politically winning issue for the right based on the numbers that I have seen.
Certainly transgender sports is very much a winning issue for the right.
steve bannon
They're blowout numbers.
You're talking about numbers of two-thirds of 70 percent.
This guy first came to, Dylan first came to our attention.
We played it, remember. He was brought into the White House before the 2022 midterms.
He was given a one-on-one interview with a guy named Joe Biden from not the Oval Office, but they were in the White House.
I mean, this guy has been promoted.
So clearly, and when you see the polling it's so far against, what are they seeing?
This is my question. What are they seeing that we're not, that they continue to push this?
He goes from, he was very prominent on the TikTok.
He's got 10 million followers on TikTok.
Not that TikTok's a CCP information warfare device, far be it for me to say that.
Remember, he's a huge star on TikTok.
He was promoted with all these other folks on TikTok.
He went to do an interview with Joe Biden and got to ask a couple of questions.
josh hammer
Josh Hammer. So I guess two things come immediately to mind, and I'm just guessing here.
I don't claim to have definitive thoughts on any of this stuff, but the first possible explanation is that if you cut a narrow slice in like the 18 to 29, call it 18 to 35 demographic, Gen Z, and kind of the earlier half of millennials, that polling probably looks quite a bit different.
And if you think about who the modern Democratic Party's most active engaged, reliable voter base is.
It is kind of that Gen Z millennial demographic.
So to an extent, they're probably just trying to fire up their base.
And, you know, not just the Gen Z. I mean, in general, kind of the affluence, the PhDs, people who have postgraduate education, those are the bread and butter Democratic Party voters these days.
And there's a fairly direct correlation, I think, between kind of the number of fancy degrees one has, if I recall the polling correctly, and how liberal someone is on these kind of traditional woke issues, I guess, for lack of a better term, when it comes to critical race theory, transgenderism, things of the nature.
So to an extent, they're probably just trying to simply just fire up their base.
The other thing that I think might be going on here, it's really kind of just a tail wagging the dog situation, I think, Steve, to an extent.
You know, the median Democratic politician, I think if you were to kind of inject truth serum into him as recently as probably two or three years ago, probably would not be on board with transing the kids.
But you have this incredibly loud, disproportionately vocal, active wing that is adamant about this.
And they make threats.
I mean, think back to what happened to Nashville recently.
They found this lunatic Transgender Shooters Manifesto, and Nashville Police has still not released it.
Why have they not released it?
Well, it's fairly obvious, right?
I mean, I remember the tweets that I saw on Twitter from transgender activists saying, like, how dare you?
You shall not release this, right?
So they were just capitulating to a very loud, angry mob that has, I think, a narrow slice, but a very loud, narrow slice.
steve bannon
Josh, how do people get to Newsweek to this op-ed section?
It's so powerful. How do they get to you personally on your social media?
josh hammer
Sure, so our op-ed section is just newsweek.com slash opinion.
I'm on Twitter, Josh underscore Hammer, also on Getter as well.
And yeah, it's a pleasure as always, Steve.
steve bannon
Thanks for having me. Josh, thanks for making time for us today to join us.
Incredibly powerful piece.
We're going to push it out everywhere.
Grace, Captain Bannon, let's get on this.
This is a huge, huge cultural, societal, civilizational, as Josh Hammer calls it, issue.
Short commercial break.
We'll be back in the war room in just a moment.
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War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome back.
Saturday, 15 April, Year of War, 2023.
A lot of things to get to. The Bennett Miller, there's a free gallery, the premier gallery up on Madison Avenue.
Bennett Miller's got this artwork.
And so you should start immersing yourself in this artificial intelligence.
You're going to go, these are not these, like, cartoons.
A lot of stuff out there on...
on the internet about artificial intelligence art.
This is not it. This looks like it was taken by Matthew Brady during the Civil War.
It looks like it was at the Dunker Church at Antietam.
Very haunting. These are haunting from the earliest 20th century, 19th century.
And Bennett is an expert.
I know this. Bennett Miller is one of the great young artists in our country as a filmmaker.
Right? He did Moneyball.
I've seen it in tons of others. Moneyball is the one that's always been my favorite.
A fantastic film about baseball, but really about mathematics.
And he's been deeply enmeshed.
The reason he hasn't made a film in a number of years, he's been deeply enmeshed in artificial intelligence and things related to transhumanism.
And Sam Altman, there's a discussion when you go to the gallery and you get some background.
You know, he's been very involved in interviewing Sam Altman and talking to Sam Altman and all these guys.
That's number one. Number two is that, so go check that out.
Totally free. Or you can go online and see it.
But if you're in the New York City area, particularly if you're in Manhattan or one of the boroughs, go in there, check it out.
It'll be quite an experience.
Monday morning, talking about New York City, the Judiciary Committee is going to be live.
Elise Stefanik has been...
And now Goldman's going to be from the Democrats.
That's going to come in a little hot.
That's going to be at 9 or 10 o'clock.
We're going to cover it on the show.
My understanding is C-SPAN says they're not going to cover it live because this is going to be brutal.
Matt Gaetz, I know Matt was here the other day.
He talked about he was supposed to do a deposition here.
He's actually not going to do that to go there.
So Matt will be there. That's going to lead into the McCarthy speech on Monday about laying out the program for the debt ceiling.
What I see so far, I'm not totally excited, but Russ, vote is more because this gets you 218 votes and this gets you the bid and the ask against what Biden's put out, which is not tenable anymore.
It's not tenable. I want to see bigger cuts.
What I've seen doesn't look like the magnitude of cuts, but maybe you couldn't get to 218.
Hey, it's all negotiation. You're in the middle of it.
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Mary Beth, thank you for being here and being here during the week.
Something you've brought up a couple weeks ago, and we're trying to get our arms around it, it's very disturbing.
And here's why it's disturbing.
There's so much pressure on kids and parents, particularly young parents.
The thing that's been so amazing about the Moms for Liberty is parents' rights movement.
If parents are getting engaged, going to these school boards, and they're shocked about what they find out, the porn and the...
The library and the fights they have to have these school boards and these administrators and the teachers aren't like the old nice teachers who, hey, recess, let's do math.
It's all these teachers with purple hair and they want to talk about their own sexuality to young kids, which is totally inappropriate.
But on top of all that and the fights, you've been sending me something that's incredibly disturbing.
Satanic clubs, and not just Satanic clubs in grade schools, but Satanic clubs in grade schools like in the Commonwealth of Virginia.
It's like in suburban Richmond down there outside of Virginia Beach.
I mean, this is stunning. Why it's not on the front page every day is stunning to me.
unidentified
Give me your thoughts. So I do not have children in the school system.
So I found out through a friend of mine.
steve bannon
I think we could tell that. They're a little older.
unidentified
Just in case you were wondering.
steve bannon
They're in their 40s.
No, no, they're not. Late 20s.
unidentified
Or grandchildren. Late 20s.
But I was made aware when it was coming to a school in Chesapeake, Virginia.
And so I contacted my friends.
They went to the school board meetings.
What was coming? The Satan Club after-school program.
steve bannon
This is so unbelievable.
You can't tell me in a public school they have an after-school club when the kids have the clubs like the Arts and Crafts or the band or cheerleading, they're playing sports, but also the theater club, they're doing this.
There can't be an after-school club for Satan.
This is too unbelievable.
unidentified
Well, they're currently in Colorado, Ohio, Virginia, California, North Carolina, New York, and Pennsylvania.
They're targeting 5 to 12 year olds.
And they're making it sound kind of cutesy with they're not teaching faith.
steve bannon
How can you make Satan cutesy?
unidentified
Well, they're going to teach science, critical thinking, creative arts, and good works for the community.
steve bannon
But it's from a satanic point of view.
unidentified
Yes. And it comes from the satanic temple.
And they follow their seven tenets, which I guess are like our Ten Commandments.
But the second one of the tenets stuck out to me when I was just briefly.
And I'm not an expert in this.
I'm just now starting to dig in.
steve bannon
Slow down. And when Merva digs in, you know, she's like a dog.
She's like Carrie, like a dog with a bone.
No, but here's what I'll get.
You have a religious group called the Satanic Temple or an anti-religious group, the Satanic Temple.
They sponsor these clubs, after-school clubs.
Are you telling me that they are school district boards?
That approved this to actually be in taxpayer-funded schools after hours.
Is that what you're telling me? They're in these states, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, in Ohio, in Colorado, these other places, North Carolina, and the Commonwealth of Virginia.
unidentified
Is that what you're telling me? That is correct, from what I understand.
So how they're getting in, these schools have an after-school program called Good News Club, which is evangelical or Christian.
So when they're in the schools...
steve bannon
The good news of the gospel.
unidentified
Right. So now they're coming in under that guise that you can't legally get them out because they're a religion too and they have a right.
steve bannon
It's not a religion. It's an anti-religion.
unidentified
I know. But the school boards are not standing up for it.
steve bannon
It's not standing up against it.
unidentified
Yes, correct. Sorry.
Not standing up against it.
And what's stunning me is that there's not enough parents and grandparents out there to fight it.
There's no churches fighting it.
It's just like a very few people.
steve bannon
What do you mean no churches fighting it? Churches got to be fighting this.
unidentified
Well, we haven't seen a lot of activity with churches fighting it.
I think if you had a ton of people, churches, families, showing up at school board meetings, putting the pressure on, showing up, they possibly could back down.
steve bannon
You're telling me if you send a kid, a child, and they're targeting 5 to 12-year-olds, pre-teenager, you're telling me if you send a kid and they're in 2nd and 3rd grade, 1st grade, There could be active recruiting in that school by people to join the after-school Satan Club.
unidentified
Is that what you're telling me? That's what I'm telling you.
And there's even a little devil on the flyer.
They make it cutesy.
You know, even they have little snakes playing with each other.
I mean, it's... I find it sick, but...
steve bannon
But why are the...
Around these areas, let's take Chesapeake, you know, why are the evangelical churches and, God forbid, the Roman Catholic Church, and not like, you know, the social justice warriors over there, this is kind of a...
What they're leading these kids to is eternal damnation, right?
If you're a believing Christian or part of the Judeo-Christian West, They're leading these kids to damnation, to hellfire, to a life of...
And this is one of the reasons the suicide rate's so high.
Suicide rate's so high because people...
I put it up on Getter the other day.
People have lost hope.
They've lost that underpinning in civic society.
Why is in your checkings...
I realize you're just getting into this.
In your checking so far, why are...
The preacher's not preaching this.
Why are they not huge demonstrations?
Why is it... You don't hear...
There's nothing compared to the drag queen story, which is, trust me, terrible, and we've got to shut that down, but it has been shut down.
But that's caused a firestorm, right?
We just had Josh Hammer on from Newsweek.
The whole thing on the Budweiser and the in-your-face with the transgender women or guys, whatever you want to call them, that has got $5 billion off the market cap of Budweiser.
People are not drinking Bud Light for the first time since they were in college.
Why is this not getting that type of traction when this actually is more pernicious?
The other ones are terrible.
Don't get me wrong, terrible. This is where you're pitching Satan because, hey, if they start with the funny devil and the snakes, they're going to lead to the black mass and to the human sacrifice and all that.
unidentified
I think parents are afraid of people coming after them.
And I think in some of the reports I read, that's exactly what happened.
If you spoke out against it, they targeted you.
And so people are afraid.
I think for the churches, and I hate to say this, I think it's money that if they offend anybody, They may lose funding from people coming in, you know, giving from the dollar.
And I've been saying that for a long time.
I think the churches are weak because it boils down to money.
steve bannon
You know, this is what Tom Williams talked about last week when it had the Saturday show, the coming Christian persecution.
Dr. Williams, one of the things he talked about is the accommodationist persecution.
What the Roman Empire offered the early 1st century Christians, the emperor is saying, hey, look, I don't even believe this stuff myself, that I'm actually God.
All you've got to do is burn the incense, and we're all good.
You don't have to believe it, and they wouldn't do it.
And he's saying right now, I said, why is this stuff not preached?
And he says, listen, everything that's preached is all happy-clappy, right?
It's all Jesus as your buddy.
It's all Jesus as a social worker, social justice warrior.
They don't want to get down to, they never want to talk about hell, they don't want to talk about damnation.
Is that your point?
unidentified
Yes. Yes.
And they even say that in the club, that they don't want to teach the children.
They're the alternative to teaching them hell and damnation.
They're like a lighter, happier, non-judgy kind of club.
steve bannon
They don't want to talk hell and damnation because they're going to be damned.
They don't want to tell the little kids at the beginning that, hey, bad news is you join the club, you end up in the deep pit of hell.
That's not maybe a great marketing pitch.
unidentified
But the thing that worries me, it has a lot of parallels with how the Nazis With the Hitler Youth?
Yes, how they did the youth.
What do you mean by that? Well, they would take the Sabbath, they would take the kids away from the parents and make it fun.
And so then the kids wanted to go outdoorsy.
It was fun. Then they started saying, well, your parents are dumb.
We know more.
You know more than your parents.
They're old-fashioned. So it has a lot of parallels, which concern me.
steve bannon
It should concern you. That's what they're trying to do.
Okay, hang on. Let's take a break.
By the way, as you can tell, Mary Beth, you didn't speak to your, like, fine, right?
See, everybody says, why does Bannon interrupt all his guests?
I say, hey, I'm just at the dinner table when I was a small kid, the mouthy one.
unidentified
I didn't have a chance.
steve bannon
No, you didn't. We kept saying she was special.
You didn't talk to your friend, did you?
unidentified
No, I didn't. I was still nervous.
steve bannon
You're doing great! People have been bugging me.
When are you coming back?
And I wanted to have you back up for a long time.
unidentified
Well, I feel like I always bring bad news.
So I'm like a bad news bear, but I need to make people aware because a lot of people don't know.
steve bannon
Well, a lot of your friends are concerned because their grandparents are aware, and they said there's nobody fighting this.
unidentified
Nobody's fighting it. We have a few of us trying to come up with a game plan, so that's what my plea today is to...
steve bannon
So we're getting a game plan here.
Okay. We're going to take a short commercial break.
We're going to come back. We've got the D Block on a Saturday.
Mary Beth is in the house.
She's actually been here most of the week and been a great...
If you notice, I've been covering more interesting stories because I've been getting updated, not just by the engine room, but by the slip of the paper during the...
She's the one that had the book.
She was reading paperclip. I felt so smart in front of Lara Logan.
I had the book. That was ours for my sisters.
I had to rip it off her. Okay, short commercial break.
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Satan's not an evil guy.
He wants you to learn and question why.
He wants you to have fun and be yourself.
And by the way, there is no hell.
Science is important, so we understand the world.
Satan looks for truth.
Let's help him boys and girls.
Satan's not an evil guy He wants you to learn and question why He wants you to have fun and be yourself And by the way, there is no hell Everyone is different And that's okay with Satan He'll always treat you equal Whether you're black,
white, or gay Satan's not a teary of God.
He wants you to share and to be God.
He wants you to have fun and be your son.
By the way, their case don't matter.
When all is said and done, Satan doesn't actually exist.
He's an imaginary friend who can teach us how to rule.
Satan's not a scary guy. He wants to be shared and to be loved.
He wants to hear that if I'm in, he'll be your son.
If I'm away, there is no man. Satan's not an evil guy.
steve bannon
Okay, I want to quote, I think it's Matthew, the King James Version of Matthew.
But whoso shall cause one of these little ones who believe in me to fall, it were better for him that a millstone were hung around his neck, and that he was drowned in the depth of the sea.
That is our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
That's what he thought about. That's his rebuttal to the satanic club.
You absolutely nailed it.
You see how evil it is? It makes it happy-clappy.
You're going to get in nature. It's going to be self-empowering.
So we're going to get organized in this and help people get organized because this is unacceptable.
unidentified
You agree? Yes.
And I think if it isn't in your school system, it will be soon.
So please be on the lookout for it.
Like I said, it kind of snuck up on us.
We had no idea. I've told people about it.
They think I'm crazy when I talk about it.
But Google it.
Look for it. And definitely look for it in your school system.
The second tenet stuck out to me.
It said, struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
And to me, that speaks a lot about activism.
steve bannon
Big time. They're beyond the rule of law and they want to take down these institutions.
Yes. We want to reform them and rejuvenate them.
They want to destroy them. They said it takes precedent over.
This is insidious. They're putting this in five-year-old kids' heads.
unidentified
And the volunteers are not school children.
They are people...
That are with the satanic temple and have been vetted by them, and that's very frightening.
This is pure evil. And think about turning your child over to someone in the school building with you not there, and I'm assuming you can attend, but you more than likely are going to be working.
steve bannon
But think about not turning them over.
Just one of your child goes to an after-school program, or you're one of the parents that have to work and they've got to stay after school, and other things in the satanic temple.
People are wandering around the school hall, because trust me, they'll be looking to grab these kids and put them in there.
unidentified
So that's very concerning to me.
The other thing is that I feel like we have some blame in this, too, the Christians.
I'm old enough to remember the blue laws when everything was closed on Sunday.
You went to church. You came home.
You had your big family dinner.
You maybe went on a family drive.
It was all about God and family.
We've gotten so far away from that.
Now... All your Little League, you know, sports are on Sundays.
You have your ACT test.
The stores are open.
And I'm guilty of it.
Over time, you know, I'll go to the grocery store or I'll do something.
But if we push back, that stuff will stop.
But we haven't. We've been tricked.
into just going along over time and the easy way out.
And so I employ everybody just to think about pushing back.
Because if we start doing that, we'll make a difference.
steve bannon
We're going to get organized in this.
I want to thank you for being up here this week.
It's been fantastic. Spend quality time.
And also, no, you're crazy.
That's what I tell you. She's hit me nonstop.
There's a couple of members of the engine room that are nonstop giving me ideas.
And I go, that is the craziest thing I've ever seen.
And of course, three weeks later, it turns out it's true.
Okay. I have to eat a lot of crow with this grout.
Thank you very much. Thanks for having me.
We're going to get organized in the Chesapeake situation throughout the country.
This satanic situation is just awful.
unidentified
And please help us fight. I hope y'all all, the posse gets into the fight with us.
steve bannon
And blow up your priest on Sunday, tomorrow.
Go to him and say, hey, how come we're not fighting this?
Where are you on this thing?
And the preachers, too.
The Protestants, too. You should ask them, how come I'm not hearing you preaching about the persecution of the Christians worldwide, including here in the United States?
There's two types of persecution.
The white persecution, the red.
The white is to suppress you, take away your opportunities, make you feel terrible, etc.
The red is where they actually start killing people.
And Tom Williams says we're coming to the second.
Okay, we're going to be up on Getter all weekend.
Congress is back next week, but man, we're on fire.
We're going to be doing some special broadcast all throughout the week.
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Okay, I want to thank everybody, Real America's Voice Team, everybody in Denver.
Mary Beth, thank you for coming by and hanging out.
Thanks for having me. It was a great...
What's that voice?
unidentified
What's the NPR voice? You got the NPR voice.
Thank you. Thank you very much.
steve bannon
Wow. She's a star, I tell you.
She was a star when she was young.
Once she started speaking, you couldn't shut her up.
Thanks. I'm so glad to have you.
Okay. See you back here Monday morning live at 10 a.m.
Up on Get Her all weekend.
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