April 7, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is what you're fighting for. | ||
| I mean, every day you're out there. | ||
| What they're doing is blowing people off. | ||
| If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians, get total control and total power. | ||
| Because this is just like in Arizona. | ||
| This is just like in Georgia. | ||
| It's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and misrepresentations. | ||
| This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged. | ||
| As we've told you, this is the fight. | ||
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All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth. | |
| War Room. Battleground. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | |
| Okay. It is Good Friday, 7 April in the year of our Lord, 2023. | ||
| The two most somber and reflective days in the Christian calendar. | ||
| It's also Passover. | ||
| Two most somber days in the Christian calendar, Good Friday and Holy Saturday. | ||
| And on Holy Saturday, we always do our special, The Descent into Hell. | ||
| Christ is sent into hell. | ||
| And tomorrow we'll have Dr. | ||
| Tom Williams join us from Rome. | ||
| Also, we're going to play some of the clips from my previous interviews with Dr. | ||
| Taylor Marshall. Now, I think we're going to get Dr. | ||
| Taylor Marshall here live in the Good Friday show to talk about certain topics That we want to address over the holiest, most somber weekend in the Christian calendar leading up to Christ's resurrection on Sunday morning. | ||
| I want to start with Joe Allen. | ||
| Joe, we'll play a little bit. We'll start with a cold open with you, and we'll get to that. | ||
| You know, Joe, you're a pretty interesting guy in the fact that one of the reasons I was struck by your writings at first and we reached out and wanted you to come over to the War Room team and really make you an editor of all things about the singularity of transhumanism is that we knew at the time, because I followed this for probably 10 or 12 years now, Actually from 2004, I guess it's longer than that, 18 years, 17 years. | ||
| How profound and important this topic is as far as signal and just things manifested in the... | ||
| But the reason that made you different and interesting to me is that you really come at this as a, really, you have a theological background. | ||
| I mean, you've got a master's degree from the same university and the same college and school that Dr. | ||
| Martin Luther King went to. And the quality of Boston University's theological department is renowned throughout the world. | ||
| As we've gone into the details of you and what you've laid out over the last couple of years you've been with us, in the convergence of what we call post-homo sapien, in the part of Scripture, I think, from both Matthew and Mark about the warning of Christ about the only unforgivable sin is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. | ||
| It's led us to then focus, particularly since Davos and ChatGBT, where you've had this, in the 100 days, this explosion in the revelation of artificial intelligence. | ||
| So my thesis has been, and I become more, you know, doing the reading every night that I do with not just what you give us, but other things that we can kind of find through your writings, that The Antichrist is actually being built today in these research labs, | ||
| that the artificial intelligence and artificial geo-intelligence—and I think this shows you the fear of secularists and people who are not Christians or not particularly religious—the fear that's in their heart now that this must be stopped. | ||
| Your thoughts, particularly given your theological background, of artificial intelligence, artificial intelligence, as potentially the actual Antichrist. | ||
| You know, Steve, I've written about this a bit, and I don't take a hard theological stance on it, mainly because I grew up in a Southern Baptist region where predictions of the Antichrist were constant. | ||
| And so I... I'm always hesitant to ever put any kind of specific identity or any kind of specific dates onto things like this because they're very easy to get wrong. | ||
| But when you look at the book of Revelation and you look at the description of the Antichrist, and especially if you look at the etymological root of Antichrist in the Greek, right, that, you know, anti being opposed to but also being in place of, | ||
| And I think that technology, and especially the sort of idolatry around technology, the worship of technology, fits into that schema very, very neatly. | ||
| And whether that means that the end of the world is imminent, I don't know. | ||
| I would say, honestly, Steve, that the Antichrist, right, and the beast... | ||
| Those images describe worldly powers long before Jesus and certainly during the Roman Empire, right? | ||
| Numerologically, 666 is associated with Nero and 616 associated with Nero. | ||
| And I think that it doesn't mean a lot of people use that to somehow negate the idea that the mark of the beast is imminent or that it has anything to do with our present day. | ||
| They say, no, they were just talking about Rome. | ||
| I think what John of Patmos was describing is really a universal motif that was relevant during Jesus's day and after in the Roman Empire. | ||
| Arguably, it's been relevant all over the world in various empires, and it's certainly relevant now, the idea of a one-world power that requires a method of identity in order to buy or sell, you know, the rise of an antichrist, | ||
| a being or entity, or perhaps a number of entities that are in place of Christ, they're held up in place of Christ, In the end, the salvation of the world after a period of horrific pain and destruction. | ||
| I may be speaking too loosely here for a lot of people's satisfaction, but again, I think that Since I was a very young child, I always heard the end of the world is imminent. | ||
| It was going to be in the late 90s. | ||
| It was going to be the year 2000. | ||
| It was going to be the year 2012. | ||
| These sorts of predictions go back to at least the year 1666, really before that. | ||
| The argument that the Antichrist is imminent goes back to the early part of the second millennium. | ||
| I think, Steve, that that image, that symbol is absolutely relevant and accurate. | ||
| The idea of an entity being held up in place of Christ, that is undoubtedly what artificial intelligence has become for a lot of people in the developed world and probably in the undeveloped world, too, although I don't have any knowledge about that. | ||
| And I think that especially symbolic is the fact that, like, GPT caught everyone's attention Because GPT has a facility with words. | ||
| And probably, to me, one of the most, if not the most powerful descriptions of Jesus comes from the beginning of the book of John, the Gospel of John. | ||
| And that is that the word became flesh, that Christ is the word, that the logos, the underlying reality of the universe, is the word. | ||
| In Genesis, God creates by speaking through the word. | ||
| And now you have a non-human intelligence that, even if it isn't capable of human reasoning as we reason, has a facility with words that is convincing to significant numbers of people. | ||
| And that those people really do, especially at the extreme end, and we're talking about people in Silicon Valley, we're talking about certainly a lot of those you would find at Davos, and of course anyone who identifies as transhumanist, you have this new religion of technology, a techno-religion, the idea and the dream of Homo Deus, of Life 3.0. | ||
| It's mostly in the secular space, but really among the most disturbing developments in all of this, Steve, to me, are the high number of Christian organizations who are eager to adopt these technologies and bring them in as being these technological or digital mediators between their congregations and Christ. | ||
| No. Very disturbing. | ||
| Hang on, Joe. | ||
| I want to bring in Dr. Taylor Marshall. | ||
| Doctor, first off, Thank you for joining us. | ||
| Last year on our Holy Saturday show, Descent into Hell, we actually spent an entire hour with Dr. | ||
| Taylor Marshall. As we're preparing for the show, because we always do kind of the Good Friday show in the evening and the Saturday show combined, we have Dr. | ||
| Tom Williams on. He's just written this incredible book about the coming Christian persecution. | ||
| We went back and have reviewed the last couple of years in our special. | ||
| Your segments were so good. | ||
| I'm telling the audience now, we actually have pulled some of the segments from last year, and we're going to incorporate it into the show tomorrow. | ||
| So I want to thank you. We get kind of a twofer on Dr. | ||
| Taylor Marshall, and we got Dr. | ||
| Tom Williams on tomorrow. So the Saturday show, The Descent Into Hell special, will be quite fascinating because we've incorporated a lot of Dr. | ||
| Taylor Marshalls. Last year spent the entire Saturday with us. | ||
| Dr. Marshall, two things have happened this week, and the reason I wanted to have you on the Good Friday show is that we've had this, and we have Joe, and he's our editor for everything dealing with the singularity, transhumanism, artificial intelligence. | ||
| You've had this expansion of artificial intelligence that now has these secular technologists so frightened. | ||
| They're saying, hey, some are saying we've got to stop it for a six-month moratorium. | ||
| Some are saying, hey, we've got to unleash Missiles to shoot down to start to crush the data centers because this thing's so much farther advancing to take down humanity. | ||
| At the same time, you have the Covenant School Massacre, which is obviously a massacre directed at Christianity and at Christian children that in the secular world has now been Twisted that the problem was is that the woman who identified as a man, it was because of her time at the Christian school, because of her Christian parents, because of the counseling she was getting from the pastor, that it was Christianity that warped her and turned her into essentially an assassin. | ||
| Can you just give our audience a situation report? | ||
| Because you're one of the most profound thinkers we have out there in the modern church. | ||
| Where are we today when you have on one level what I think is potentially the rise of a man-built antichrist, coupled with the fact that the church is under more persecution, I think, than it's ever been since first century Rome, sir? | ||
| Well, one of the principles of Creation is that God created the whole world through the Logos. | ||
| And the Logos is a Greek word. | ||
| It means rationality. | ||
| It means word. | ||
| It means logic. | ||
| It's the matrix, the good matrix, by which God created all that's orderly and beautiful in the world. | ||
| And John's Gospel says the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. | ||
| As Christians, we believe Jesus is the divine logos. | ||
| He is the order. He is the word. | ||
| He is the rationality of everything created. | ||
| And as mankind moves away from order, moves away from God's established natural realm, And this, of course, is going to play into how we understand marriage, gender, etc. | ||
| As we move further away from logos, we move across the board towards chaos. | ||
| And we are seeing chaos break out year by year and become even more twisted, more unnatural, and more satanic. | ||
| And this is going to yield not only sexual immorality and depravity, it's going to yield ultimately And that is what we're seeing on the political realm and on the social realm with these shootings. | ||
| These are people who are denying God, denying the logos, denying the divine plan for nature. | ||
| And when that happens, we are going to spin into chaos. | ||
| And that's what we're seeing in the last several weeks. | ||
| How does that tie with what's coming out of our research labs? | ||
| I mean, as we have Joe on all the time, this introduction of artificial intelligence to the general population started in Davos 100 days ago. | ||
| I mean, people have talked about artificial intelligence and been worked on, but it really came to the world's elites less than 100 days ago. | ||
| And now all of a sudden you have these technologists That are saying, we need an immediate six-month, I mean, this is Elon Musk, these are some of the biggest names, we need an immediate six-month minimum moratorium. | ||
| You have others are saying, and these are people that have driven the research in artificial intelligence, saying, hey, now that we see what this actually means, we need to actually have potential military strikes onto, if people wouldn't sign up to shut it down now, military strikes. | ||
| Is there a possibility in Logos to Chaos that a big part of that could be driven by man's hands and man's own inventions and technology? | ||
| Well, you just look at the word artificial intelligence. | ||
| When God created mankind, he made them in his image. | ||
| And what that means, according to all the classical theologians and philosophers, is that he gave man intelligence and a free will. | ||
| That's what it means to be in the image of God. | ||
| So what's going on right now is the Frankenstein project. | ||
| Can we as humans put ourselves into God's place and can we create intelligence? | ||
| And that is ultimately the sinister satanic Luciferian plot that we are gods, we the elites are gods, and we can create intelligence. | ||
| And that right there, it's diabolical, and it will attempt to, without God's power and grace, it will attempt to override and destroy humanity. | ||
| And I think just like in the story of Frankenstein, or if you want a modern version, Jurassic Park, they start playing with these things, and then it comes back to destroy them. | ||
| And that's what we're seeing. | ||
| This AI is extremely powerful, and it's extremely dangerous. | ||
| When you say Luciferian, can you describe that? | ||
| Can you define that for the audience? | ||
| So, in the Jewish and in the Christian tradition, there was one high angel who was very close to God, and he was named Lucifer. | ||
| And Lucifer means bearer of light. | ||
| In other words, he was the one who sort of bore the light before God, his chief attendant. | ||
| And when God revealed some plan. | ||
| Some people say it was the incarnation of Christ. | ||
| When he revealed his plan, he led a rebellion saying, I'm not going to serve that. | ||
| I'm not on board with that. | ||
| And he went from being the light bearer to being filled with darkness. | ||
| And he wanted himself to be God. | ||
| The whole idea of Satanism or Luciferianism is not necessarily worship of Satan per se. | ||
| It's the worship of oneself as a god. | ||
| And that's what the elites want to do today. | ||
| That's what we see coming out of Davos. | ||
| That's what we see even through the entire COVID scandal is men, women playing God. | ||
| And that is the spirit of Antichrist. | ||
| That is the spirit of Antichrist. | ||
| We are going to place ourselves as God and not recognize the one true God who's created us. | ||
| What about what Joe just mentioned, that one of the disturbing things you're seeing, and particularly with ChatGPT, and remember, these are fairly rudimentary level when people talk about this, that you actually see parts of the organized Catholic and Christian churches and some evangelical preachers look at these tools as tools that can actually help grow their flock or reach their audience. | ||
| Is that something that can lead very quickly to something much darker? | ||
| I think it can lead to something dark. | ||
| I mean, we don't even know what this is yet. | ||
| And so I think it's always the prudent measure to pause and I think not use it. | ||
| Just like when you have people saying, you need to get this vaccine, you need to get this booster, you need to do this, you need this. | ||
| I think it's always important that we pause, listen, figure out who's telling us these things. | ||
| Are they trustworthy? And probably waiting and being patient and doing our study and doing our due diligence. | ||
| I think it is incredibly difficult because when you look at what ChatGPT is doing is they're basically just scouring data sources, chiefly the internet, which we've known for years is not that accurate on these things. | ||
| And just as search engines, which are more primitive, can skew the delivery of information. | ||
| Political, social, investments, monetary, religion. | ||
| Now the ChatGPT can create not just a search result, but can create an essay, a book report, imagery, all these things. | ||
| And we don't really know where it comes from, what the algorithm is. | ||
| What the origin is and how it's being presented to us. | ||
| And it's being presented to us as truth, fact, reality. | ||
| And that's extremely dangerous. | ||
| So I really think that Christian leaders, pastors need to be cynical, need to be skeptics with regard to this wave of AI because it's dangerous. | ||
| I think it's going to lead us to a bad place. | ||
| What do you mean by that? | ||
| From your study and your observations now, because look, it is clearly shocked The most sophisticated people in the technology space have been, and this is why I keep telling people, hey, you've got to look at critical path and scale here. | ||
| Within 100 days of its release to the elite in Davos, of which all the other topics they were talking about, the Build Back Better, they just all got dropped. | ||
| It was like the golden calf. | ||
| They worshiped ChatGBT. | ||
| I've never seen anything like it. I've been studying Davos for 20 or 30 years. | ||
| This is the single time I've seen anything galvanize Davos man around something. | ||
| Within a hundred days, we have the most sophisticated people in that space saying we must have a six-month moratorium today. | ||
| So it has shocked even the elites who thought they knew they were doing something. | ||
| Dr. Taylor Marshall. Well, the evil Always turns in on itself. | ||
| Evil consumes and eats itself. | ||
| Why? Because evil has no divine life inside. | ||
| And I think these elites maybe realize... | ||
| There's two things maybe going on here, Steve. | ||
| One is they realize that perhaps it would become an alternative source of information that they can't control. | ||
| That would be one reason why they would want a six-month moratorium. | ||
| Maybe, you know, Frankenstein has left the building, he's gone, and they can no longer control it. | ||
| That could be one reason. | ||
| The other reason might be that they realize that this could be completely devastating. | ||
| I mean, if you just think about the education complex, you think about books, you think about publishing, you think about websites, this thing could start creating Basically, an entire Wikipedia beyond anything we even, you know, Wikipedia could look miniature compared to what this could begin to create. | ||
| And again, we don't know what it is. | ||
| Maybe it's akin to when books started being published, but even then, that was just producing what had already been written. | ||
| This is actually creating information and data to be consumed by people as truth. | ||
| I don't know what's in the mind of the elites in Davos. | ||
| I do think it is stunning that even they want to push the pause button on this. | ||
| I mean, what do you think, Steve? | ||
| Why do you think they want the six-month moratorium? | ||
| For that, I'm going to turn to our expert, Joe Allen, because I've got my own thoughts. | ||
| I actually think they've been overwhelmed as nefarious as they are. | ||
| I think when you look at really what's happening that and what's in the weapons labs and what's in CCP and other places, they understand that this thing is very quickly with no regulatory basis or framework at all is very quickly going to spin out of control. | ||
| You have an arms race and it's an arms race and no one can win. | ||
| That it's only going to have downside because the tools and the methods and the processes to control this are just not there. | ||
| Joe Allen, am I too far off there? | ||
| From Dr. Marshall's comment about, you know, when you look at the elites in Davos, you always have to look at it with a jaundice eye because they definitely use the pandemic to go to extreme measures about how they would have more control. | ||
| They're not often people that say they want less control. | ||
| Is it the fact that you think that it's spinning too far and too quickly out of control? | ||
| Well, if you look at who's signing that open letter from Future of Life Institute on the moratorium, the top signatories are people involved in Future of Life. | ||
| So you've got Russell Stewart, Max Tegmark, and then of course you have Elon Musk who funds it, who has funded it. | ||
| Yuval Noah Harari is the major Davos figure that's a signatory. | ||
| The cynical mind jumps to conclusions like, oh, Elon Musk is trying to knock out his competition at OpenAI since it got out from underneath him. | ||
| Or Yuval Noah Harari wants to somehow manipulate this into some kind of control narrative that we need more government. | ||
| I honestly, Steve, I think that Most of these people have real sincerity in the desire to slow this down. | ||
| Most of them know that a six-month moratorium isn't going to happen, and most of them also know that six months isn't long enough to really make any impact. | ||
| But what it is, it's a way of starting a conversation in the public. | ||
| What do we want to do? | ||
| out of these technologies, and they put out the worst possible cases of losing employment, even of fulfilling jobs, of losing control of our civilization itself. | ||
| And the root of that fear, I think, is because of the unpredictability of GPT as a whole, especially GPT-4. | ||
| And right now they're training GPT-5, which is scheduled to stop its training phase in December. | ||
| And so I think that they really are, I think most, if not all of them, really are incredibly concerned about A, the impacts on society, but also B, what happens when you create a system that shows generalist intelligence and what happens if that system is out of human control? | ||
| Dr. Taylor, Marshall, I know we're going to lose you, and you're such a central part to tomorrow. | ||
| We've got a couple of minutes. It's Good Friday. | ||
| Any message to our audience of what they should be thinking about, where the world is, where America is, where Christianity is? | ||
| And like I said, Dr. Marshall, we're going to reprise his great interview from last year for a couple of major segments tomorrow with Dr. | ||
| Tom Williams. We've got a couple of minutes. | ||
| Any thoughts as you leave us on Good Friday? | ||
| I think in particular people are feeling cynical. | ||
| They're feeling with everything going on with Trump, with the shooting, with social norms, getting totally out of control. | ||
| The key to Good Friday is that God so loved the world, He sent Jesus Christ. | ||
| Jesus Christ gave everything, all of His blood, all of His suffering, even His own life as a sacrifice for us. | ||
| And we can't be self-centered and we can't be cynical. | ||
| We have to be a sacrifice for our family, our friends, for the world. | ||
| We have to take up the cross and follow Jesus Christ. | ||
| That's the message of Good Friday. | ||
| That's the message of fasting, which we perform on Good Friday. | ||
| And if we follow that self-emptying, that self-sacrifice, the outcome of that is resurrection, glory, joy, and that's what we all seek. | ||
| So it can't be self-centeredness, it can't be cynicism, it has to be sacrifice, and that's going to bring us to resurrection, glory, fulfillment, and purpose. | ||
| So I think that's the message of Good Friday, which leads us right into Easter. | ||
| Dr. Marshall, how do people get to you in your writings? | ||
| Where do they go? You can go to taylormarshall.com or the best places on YouTube at Dr.Taylor Marshall. | ||
| I'd be glad to see all y'all over there. | ||
| Dr. Taylor Marshall, thank you for joining us on Good Friday and the very inspirational message about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. | ||
| Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. | ||
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| Marshall, we had a great special last year. | ||
| He will be part of that. We'll integrate in some of the interview I had last year with Dr. | ||
| Marshall. We've got Dr. Tom Williams on the coming persecution of Christians. | ||
| Tomorrow's show is going to be very, very powerful. | ||
| We want everybody to join us at 10 a.m. | ||
| Eastern Time. We're going to take a short break. | ||
| Our own Joe Allen is going to be on the other side as we continue on about, is artificial intelligence the new Antichrist? | ||
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| A new religious language in the future is going to be electronic. | ||
| Electronics is going to be the language of theology of the future. | ||
| You can say that for thousands of years already, People, millions of people, have found meaning in playing virtual reality games. | ||
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We just call these games religion. | |
| But the moment we admit that information processing is the source of intelligence, that some appropriate computational system is what the basis of intelligence is, and we admit that we will improve these systems continuously, then we have to admit that we're in the process of building some sort of god. | ||
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Now would be a good time to make sure it's a god we can live with. | |
| It doesn't matter that it's not running on a meat machine, it's running on electronics or nanotubes, but if it's similar kinds of processes, If you believe that the human being is conscious, which I do, we'll have to accept that for the non-biological systems as well. | ||
| That was like ChatGPT's blind version of like throwing the ideals at a place where they were exactly the wrong ideals to solve the problem. | ||
| And the problem is that demon summoning is easy and angel summoning is much harder. | ||
| Open sourcing all the demon summoning circles is not the correct solution. | ||
| You know, in sort of quasi-mythological New Testament account, The slogan of the Antichrist is peace and safety. | ||
| Perhaps we should fear the Antichrist. | ||
| Perhaps we should fear the one-world hotelitarian state more than Armageddon. | ||
| Meet Amazon One, the fast, convenient, contactless identity service that allows you to enter, identify, and pay using only your palm. | ||
| Ditch your wallet and just hover your palm over an Amazon One device to enter, identify, and pay wherever Amazon One is available. | ||
| So go for it. | ||
| Well, you can now pay for your Panera sandwich with the palm of your hand. | ||
| You've heard that right. The restaurant chain partnering with Amazon to test its palm reading payment technology. | ||
| We want to bring in Naren Chowdhury, Panera Breads. | ||
| How exactly does this work? | ||
| Because it might scare a lot of people. | ||
| I think use of biometric identification is happening all around us, as we know on airports, etc., and supermarkets already. | ||
| So I just see this as a natural evolution of using biometric technology to drive convenience, loyalty identification, and payment. | ||
| Swiping and tapping our cards and our apps are not just the easiest way to spend money, they're the safest way. | ||
| Unless, of course, we misplace our phones or our wallets and then it's a nightmare. | ||
| And soon your hand may be all that you need to buy anything that you can afford and many things that you can't. | ||
| Because a company called Walletmore is developing a very teeny, teeny, tiny chip. | ||
| You see it there in the x-ray? | ||
| That should creep you out. | ||
| The chip is like the ones that are found in smart credit cards or debit cards, and the chip gets embedded just under your skin and makes your whole hand a credit card. | ||
| It gets inserted into your skin. | ||
| A chip, and not the type you eat, but a microchip, has been implanted in Brandon's left hand. | ||
| So after that was inserted and the swelling went down, I'm able to open up the front and back door to my house. | ||
| I can walk up to people and have them tap their phone to my hand and instantly transfer my contact information, my portfolio, my COVID vax card. | ||
| The slogan of the Antichrist is peace and safety. | ||
| Okay, welcome back to our Good Friday special. | ||
| I want to thank Dr. Taylor Marshall for being with us for the first half of the show. | ||
| Like I said, tomorrow we have Dr. | ||
| Tom Williams and we're going to cut in some of the classic interviews we've done with Dr. | ||
| Taylor Marshall on our Holy Saturday specials. | ||
| So Joe, your cold open here for the second half of the show I think actually reinforces my point. | ||
| We are in the process of building the Antichrist Right before us, which promises peace and safety. | ||
| I know you did that just to trigger me. | ||
| So thank you very much because you did it. | ||
| But here on Good Friday, and I understand given your cultural upbringing in the South, right, to be too apocalyptic is to maybe revert back to some of the way you were raised. | ||
| Given everything you've studied in your theological background, as we said at the start of the show, you graduated from the same school of theology as Dr. | ||
| Martin Luther King, don't you think it's plausible that we can talk about the Antichrist is actually built by human hands and human minds until it takes on, we've actually tried to become God and try to build these many gods and this spins out of control? | ||
| Yeah, you know, Steve, this is something that I speak to religious people about a lot, and I think that the most important element in the entire transhumanist movement and that push towards sort of techno-religion is the idolatry of it. | ||
| The Bible doesn't have a lot to say about technology in particular. | ||
| It hints at a lot of things. | ||
| Of course, in Ezekiel, you've got the wheels in the sky. | ||
| The Iron Age comes during the time of David, and you can see weaponry allowing the kingdom of Israel to rise, that sort of thing. | ||
| But it doesn't talk about anything like what we talk about when we're talking about computer technology. | ||
| The virtual reality and all of that, but the visions do hint at it. | ||
| For instance, the beast will have an image that is able to speak. | ||
| This is oftentimes spoken about among theologians, especially more apocalyptic theologians. | ||
| You also have The idea or the the prophecy from John of Patmos in the revelation that in order to buy or sell people have to take the mark of the beast on their right hand or their their forehead and what we saw there in that video and we've covered this we covered this when it was first announced that Amazon would have a palm payment system and of course we've covered the RFID microchipping and that sort of Techno-cult fetish that is all over the world, | ||
| especially Sweden, here in the U.S., it's impossible for me not to see sorts of echoes of the Antichrist or echoes of the beast in those technologies and the use of those technologies. | ||
| And I'm certainly not saying that they're not the The workings of the Antichrist, the only thing I would say is that these sorts of specific predictions, they go back for well over a thousand years and they never come to pass. | ||
| In fact, many would say that the first Christian communities were expecting the world to end And it did not come to pass. | ||
| So it could happen tomorrow, but I certainly wouldn't dare estimate when. | ||
| When talking about this sort of payment system, though, what I see in it is a culture that is totally secularized, that has completely discarded the sort of warnings that you hear in the book of Revelation. | ||
| There is no real sense of alarm among those people who adopt it, who take that mark, so to speak, and either all the way with the RFID chip in order to pay or with just general Amazon or Whole Foods or Panera Bread customers who want to keep track of their loyalty points and conveniently pay for their sandwiches, groceries, and other goods. | ||
| I think that what really bothers me about that sort of secularization and that lackadaisical approach to technologies, especially technologies that can be used to create mass surveillance grids and mass control grids for either the government or corporations to directly control and monitor our behavior, | ||
| I think that Christian communities represent a bulwark against those sorts of technological developments because, on one hand, the sorts of Religious or symbolic connotations that taking a payment mark on the hand has, | ||
| but also just the broader scheme that I think religious people are very much averse to the idea of using technology in the same sorts of ways that traditional cultural and religious social organization once was responsible for. | ||
| So, in short, that's a long way of saying, Steve, it sure seems like the Antichrist, doesn't it? | ||
| In the last couple weeks, I mean, you and I talked about this when you first came on board, and they've had a number of articles in the last couple of weeks. | ||
| And it's interesting, the people that were highlighting the articles, some of them signed the document of AI. It was reinforced, I think, last week or the week before in a flurry of stories that the number one focus for the ultra-elite billionaires, I mean, the people that are worth $30, $40, $50 billion, you know, the Elon Musk, the richest guys in the world, the $100 billion crowd. | ||
| Their number one focus across the board, whether it's Teal, Bezos, Elon, is eternal life, to live forever. | ||
| And they're maniacally focused on that. | ||
| They're funding lots of research you don't hear about. | ||
| At the same time, a number of those people were the first that If they did not sign the document itself saying we've got to stop AI, they are sponsors of the research of people that came out and said that. | ||
| Tie those together here on Good Friday. | ||
| We've had these ultra-billionaires that once again is getting out, and I've said this from the very beginning when I first started Transhuman, I said, hey, all these elites, everything they're focused on is they want to live forever and they could care less, but what they want is depopulate this earth. | ||
| Get it down to under 500 million people. | ||
| Their whole thing is to live forever. | ||
| And all the stuff, everything I've seen just reinforces that. | ||
| Talk to me to connect that with what happened on the document. | ||
| So I think there's a lot to tease out there, but You definitely have all of these guys from Jeff Bezos with Altos Labs. | ||
| You've got Sergey Brin and Larry Page with Calico Labs. | ||
| You have Peter Thiel investing in all sorts of different startups, at least interest in a parabiosis or a vampiric blood transfusion startup. | ||
| In order to live, maybe not forever, but certainly to keep the body preserved as long as possible, to maintain youth as long as possible. | ||
| In the transhumanist literature, and this includes a lot of writing by guys like Eliezer Yankowski who are pushing to stop AI, the hope is that you will eventually have an AI system that is good enough that it's able to basically, you kind of transfer Your mind, they would see it as just your neurological function, your mind, over into a digital form. | ||
| And so the preservation of the body is really a kind of short-term measure in order to get to the point that the technology is good enough that you can transfer your soul, basically, your mind, over into a computer. | ||
| And, you know, I think religious people see that as a... | ||
| Hold on. Isn't that the key, that you can't transfer the soul or your spirit? | ||
| They may be able to do the system of neural links, whatever it is, within the human brain, but you can't transfer your spirit or your soul? | ||
| Well, you know, I would say that the entire prospect is ridiculous. | ||
| The way they think about it is, I think the way that they believe that the human mind could actually maintain consciousness as it's transferred over, it begins with something known as the Moravec transfer that was described in Hans Moravec's 1988 book, | ||
| Mind Children. Basically, you have a computer system that is copying layer by layer, millimeter thick layers of the patient's brain over into a digital replica. | ||
| And as that person's brain is being scanned, the brain is actually being removed. | ||
| And so, at the end of the process, the brain has been scraped down, kind of like peeling an onion until it is nothing, and transferred over into a digital form, and Morvec had at least some inkling that that would mean your consciousness would actually transfer over into a computerized form. | ||
| You have other very well-respected philosophers like David Chalmers who describe something similar to that in more modern terms. | ||
| Just as the brain decays or even before it decays, silicon neurons, artificial neurons replacing the neurons of the brain. | ||
| So that eventually the person's brain is now the sort of immortal silicon brain. | ||
| And then the digital representation of that brain inside the artificial brain could be transferred into a computer. | ||
| I know all of this sounds insane. | ||
| And I personally think it is insane. | ||
| But this is a belief system that is part of a techno cult. | ||
| I couldn't say how many of the people from Bill Gates to Elon Musk to Peter Thiel actually believe it, but I do know among the hardcore transhumanists, most of them believe something like that. | ||
| Yeah, and there, you know, when you say that, these are the people that are the absolute edge, the leading edge of research in this field. | ||
| And as you can see from Davos, they are being flooded with capital right now. | ||
| They have before, but right now it's a feeding frenzy. | ||
| This is the most... At every company you're talking about in the world, it's all about AI. It's all about AI research. | ||
| That's why I'm saying that plea for help from them on the moratorium, you haven't seen really any serious follow-up on that whatsoever because the system itself is moving so quickly down that path. | ||
| And so when you say it's a techno cult, It is a techno-cult that is very dangerous because it is extraordinarily powerful. | ||
| And I'm not a conspiracy theory guy at all. | ||
| This is not conspiracy theory. This is the leading-edge research in these weapons labs, in these universities, at these private companies, not just in the United States but throughout the world, that are now being flooded with resources because people see the commercial and military and national security aspect of this. | ||
| And so basically the ability to grab power. | ||
| And you have an arms race That's why I think this weekend, the holiest and most somber weekend of the Christian calendar, we want to reflect on that, and then tomorrow we're going to get into more of it, including the shift from the Judeo-Christian West to the post-Judeo-Christian West to the anti-Christian. | ||
| Judeo-Christian West, where this is all going to turn us. | ||
| Any closing thoughts? I really appreciate it. | ||
| Of course, always, your cold opens are amazing. | ||
| Any thoughts on Good Friday as we wrap the show and get ready for Holy Saturday? | ||
| Well, on the dark side, to begin with the dark side, I think that whether or not one conceives of this technological system and the people who rule over it, Including the deep techno cult transhumanist types who inform much of the thinking among those leaders. | ||
| Whether you believe that's the Antichrist or Satan, I personally am convicted without a doubt that this represents a materialist replacement of spiritual traditions that have gotten us to this point over the last tens of thousands of years. | ||
| And I think that these This replacement, this great replacement of our elites, it began with modernity, and it is now accelerating to the point that they have a miracle working powers through technology. | ||
| And the ability to control and sway the public psyche and control people, their physical bodies, is astounding. | ||
| Beyond all of the hype, just the actual technological capabilities are astounding. | ||
| And it really does represent, certainly in a Christian perspective, it represents something profoundly satanic. | ||
| But I also think, Steve, that It's not necessary that that system will prevail, nor is it true that the majority of people in America are under sway of it. | ||
| Despite the rapid deterioration of religious culture in America, across the West, and across the world, it is a collapse, but it is not a disappearance. | ||
| And I think that the seeds of those religious communities, there's every reason to believe that they will continue on and then they will grow and flourish when the conditions are right, when people's hearts are right. | ||
| And so it's a dark time, to say the least. | ||
| I would never deny that. | ||
| But I also, the one thing that does really give me hope, and I experience this all the time, are those human communities that have remained close-knit, especially the sorts of religious traditional communities that have remained close-knit and really do, as I said a moment ago, they form a bulwark against technocracy, and ideologically they form a bulwark against the extremes of transhumanism. | ||
| And I think that really... | ||
| For Easter and beyond, that is something to be appreciative of and something to turn to in a very strange and confusing time. | ||
| Joe Allen, how do people get to you, particularly if they want to get to your writings over this religious weekend? | ||
| As always, jobot.xyzwarroom.org under the Transhumanism tab. | ||
| Social media, chain, at J-O-E-V-O-T-X-Y-Z, and happy Easter. | ||
| Good Friday, happy Easter. | ||
| God bless. Thank you very much, Steve. | ||
| Yeah, Joe, have a fantastic Easter. | ||
| Thank you for joining us on the Good Friday show. | ||
| Appreciate it. I want to thank Dr. | ||
| Taylor Marshall. Also, like I said, Dr. | ||
| Marshall, we're going to revive some of the great interviews that we've had with him about the descent into hell tomorrow. | ||
| I want to make sure everybody makes it live, 10 a.m. | ||
| Eastern Daylight Time. Tom Williams, the coming persecution of Christians. | ||
| He's going to get into the entire covenant shooting to what's happening today and throughout the world. | ||
| I want to thank everybody in Memphis. | ||
| I want to thank everybody who's tuned in here for our Good Friday special. | ||
| I want to thank Dr. Taylor Marshall, Joe Allen tomorrow, Dr. | ||
| Thomas Williams from Rome, and Dr. | ||
| Taylor Marshall will join us. | ||
| Don't miss it on the War Room. | ||
| See you back here at 10 a.m. |
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