April 4, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is what you're fighting for. | ||
| I mean, every day you're out there. | ||
| What they're doing is blowing people off. | ||
| If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians get total control and total power. | ||
| Because this is just like in Arizona. | ||
| This is just like in Georgia. It's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and misrepresentations. | ||
| This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged. | ||
| As we've told you, this is the fight. | ||
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All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth. | |
| War Room. Battleground. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | |
| Think you know Ron DeSantis? | ||
| Think again. In Congress, DeSantis voted three separate times to cut Social Security. | ||
| That's right, three times over three years. | ||
| Worse, DeSantis voted to cut Medicare two times. | ||
| DeSantis even voted to raise the retirement age to 70. | ||
| The more you learn about DeSantis, the more you see he doesn't share our values. | ||
| He's just not ready to be president. | ||
| Make America Great Again, Inc. | ||
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| I'm gonna tie that back to what is exactly happening today because they're after President Trump for one reason. | ||
| They understand what they've done to this country and what they intend to do to this country and you can see it around you every day. | ||
| It doesn't really need an explanation. | ||
| But right now, we need the leadership that gave us four years of peace and prosperity, even if you hate the sound of Donald Trump's voice or the sound of his name. | ||
| That's just the reality. | ||
| And I think the best way, you see what's happening in New York, and we're going to try to spend As little time on that as possible, but meaningful time. | ||
| I think as we've done it today so far to really get to the heart of what's going on here, and we will obviously have more coverage throughout this hour if things break, and we will have additional coverage obviously tomorrow. | ||
| But between the race in Wisconsin tomorrow, What's going on in the economy? | ||
| What's going on with the war? | ||
| What's going on at the southern border? | ||
| It's just too much to cover, and we need to prioritize and make sure that you get the signal, not the noise. | ||
| The one thing about Governor Santos, and I'll be talking more about this later in the week after the Trump event. | ||
| You know, I pride myself in really watching these speeches, watching what people are putting up. | ||
| You know, governor DeSantis, that, and I keep not advising people, but when I say, I think you ought to focus on policies and not personalities here. | ||
| The policies of Trump and DeSantis could not be more different. | ||
| And I think you saw this from governor DeSantis, I initially gave the answer on the Ukraine, which is the appropriate answer, and then was backed off in a second by a couple of Republican establishment types, saying, Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| You must be in full online on the Ukraine. | ||
| and immediately you fill in the line in your crank. | ||
| I listened to his speech, all 55 minutes of it, on New York. | ||
| I think it was Saturday at the Air Museum out there. | ||
| There's not a lot there. Just not. | ||
| I mean, there's some interesting things on Woke, and yes, there's some interesting things, and you know, where Woke goes, I got that, and that is important. | ||
| But in the prioritization of what we must do, and by the way, I'm all for going after the corporations. | ||
| We like to prioritize ourselves being the leaders of that, or one of the leaders of that here in the war room. | ||
| But our issues and what faces us is far deeper than just that. | ||
| And you have to have some kind of worldview. | ||
| You have to have a sense of how the world works. | ||
| What are the interconnections of that world? | ||
| And what America's place should be in it? | ||
| You have to lay out that vision and the details that kind of back that up. | ||
| And I think what you have is just a standard stock cookie cutter Neoliberal neocon with a little libertarian, you know, thrown into it. | ||
| But we're willing to keep an open mind, but we'll continue to press on this as we go forward. | ||
| But right there, and that is a very, the Social Security thing is the Paul Ryan mindset to how to sort out the financial and economic problems of the country. | ||
| And as I said at the time, it was dead wrong then. | ||
| It's even more wrong now. | ||
| And he's never, Governor DeSantis has never gone and disavowed that, this whole privatization of Social Security and all that. | ||
| Anyway, more on that. We've got a lot to go through in this hour. | ||
| One thing we've got to get out is that The Financial Times this morning, OPEC members and surprise oil output cut of more than one million barrels per day. | ||
| Move will raise U.S.-Saudi tensions. | ||
| I want to bring Dave Walsh in. | ||
| Dave, you've kind of warned about this, and you've been very adamant that this OPEC plus cartel is a quite dangerous thing, and we've kind of allowed it to go on. | ||
| It wasn't really an issue in the Trump administration because of the full-spectrum energy dominance we had. | ||
| But it's raised its ugly head during the era of the illegitimate Biden regime. | ||
| And this is another aspect to destroy the US dollar, in addition, because so many of these deals are going to be done without petrodollars. | ||
| Walk us through. You've warned us first. | ||
| OPEC is a problem we've never really confronted. | ||
| OPEC Plus is a bigger problem we've never confronted. | ||
| And tie that into the announcement that was kind of made over the weekend and the impact, as you see going forward, sir. | ||
| Well, they're talking about, soon enough, two million barrel a day reduction, kicking off with a million barrel a day, but largely the kingdom and Russia kicking in about half a million barrels each in the initial tranche of this. | ||
| Official goals cited as the world economy looks like it's softening, concerns about the Western, specifically the U.S. banking crisis. | ||
| But what their goal is, is to stabilize the price of oil at least $80 a barrel as a floor, they've said, and hope to get back to plus three digits, $100 a barrel plus, you know, quickly enough. | ||
| That's the goal and objective. | ||
| So, I mean, OPEC still wields a tremendous amount of global power. | ||
| And it's growing. If you look back at our peak production year under President Trump, November of 19, we had 13 million barrels a day of U.S. crude production. | ||
| Even last year, most of 22, we were still about 10 percent below that. | ||
| You know, self-imposed production and exploration restrictions offshore north of Alaska and the Arctic, which we continue with announcements of only two weeks ago. | ||
| In the case of Arctic oil in Alaska not being harvested forever based on the latest Biden decree. | ||
| But we're, to this day, 663,000 barrels behind where we were in the November 19 peak. | ||
| So we're, you know, we've moved in a neutral position kind of on the bench. | ||
| OPEC has taken note of that. | ||
| And now you've got this strong collaboration with India, who have now doubled their contract commitments through the Indian Oil Corp to to the Russians through their largest Rosneft exporter. | ||
| Japan has kicked in now with a commitment to Sakhalin Island for crude oil, which is a bit of a surprise, but they were granted a stay of execution by the U.S.-NATO alliance through the end of September because of their continued need for LNG from Sakhalin Island, which they had committed to last November, the Japanese They receive about 9 % of their LNG from Russia, very diversified LNG supply. | ||
| But hang on, but don't bury the lead. | ||
| Didn't we also find out, not just LNG, and maybe I misread this or didn't understand it, I thought we also found out they were buying other oil and natural gas products that were specifically banned by the restrictions we put on, the trade restrictions we put on. | ||
| Didn't we find out that Japan Our great ally had also been kind of side-dealing on us, or was that all under the auspices of this? | ||
| Well, the Sakhalin Island LNG contract was renewed by Japan last November, which is about 9 % of their LNG imports consistently. | ||
| This was a byproduct of that. | ||
| We had granted a stay through September, the alliance, the Ukraine alliance, that Japan could buy crude product from Russia through the end of September. | ||
| So they've exercised A 800,000-barrel commitment, not in dollars, from Sakhalin Island in oil, which is a small portion of their imports, but still in oil and not in dollars from Russia. | ||
| But Japan does import 9 % of its LNG, a significant part of its LNG in Russia, two-thirds from Australia, Malaysia, and Qatar. | ||
| A small portion from the Dominion Coast Point Facility, Kanzai Power, and Tokyo Gas are large holders of a 20-year commitment from Dominion Coast Point, but that's only 6 % of their LNG importation. | ||
| The Russian piece has been consistently 50 % larger than that. | ||
| But now, along with that, for the month of September, we have an oil import going on from Russia. | ||
| Japan's only got nine reactors operating. | ||
| The post-Fukushima action involved the shutdown of 52 reactors, so they're desperate for for fuel for gas turbines that they've supplied internally to supplant that power, along with the fact that they built 13 gigawatts of new clean coal capacity in Japan to displace the 40-some reactors that are still closed. | ||
| Plans are to reopen them, but they're sanguine and they're pragmatic about the need to continue their industrial economy, to compete with China, to be competitive on a global scale. | ||
| They're still in the game as far as a major industrial power. | ||
| They talk about the global warming thing, the net-zero thing, but the reality is they're committed as ever to compete head-on-head with China economically. | ||
| We've got now people in five billion countries completely non-committed to this net-zero thing, global warming thing, beginning with China, with India. | ||
| India now doubling down on its importation in Not in dollars, in rubles and in their currency now growingly from Russia of 6 million barrels a day a month doubling now to 12 million barrels a month at prices about 8 to 10 dollars below the global threshold right now of 80 dollars. | ||
| India importing at about 70 dollars per barrel from Russia. | ||
| I'm assuming Japan's in about the same area. | ||
| You know above the 60 dollar threshold but below the global price. | ||
| The CCP is trying to lead a counter movement to the American order and they're doing it through the use of energy and to destroy the petrodollar. | ||
| Is there any doubt in your mind about that, sir? | ||
| There's no doubt whatsoever. | ||
| I mean, you know, their funding over here and the rhetoric they support over here through their political donations and their PR over here is indeed all about net zero and all about global warming abatement. | ||
| And all about zero carbon, etc. | ||
| In reality, they're not practicing this in their country. | ||
| They're amping up unnecessary oil imports. | ||
| They import about 9 million barrels a day. | ||
| They produce only 4 million barrels locally. | ||
| They desperately need the 14 to 15 million barrels to feed their industrial economy. | ||
| They know that to this moment, coal-fired generation is 60 % of their electric power generation. | ||
| They've got 25 plants under construction, 20 nuclear plants under construction. | ||
| The renewables thing is about 9 % of their internal electricity supply. | ||
| So the reality is they know how to compete industrially, how to set up a defense process for their country using fossil fuels, nuclear power, coal, of course, and, you know, and enough renewables to say they're in the game, but basically to fund massive exports of those products to the West, who, you know, the West continue to be taken not seriously now. | ||
| as an oil consumer nor an oil producer. | ||
| We're looking at, with this OPEC restrengthening, the fact that we're not taken seriously as either a buyer going forward of major quantities of oil or a producer, as we've let that slip now by 10 % last year from the Trump peaks. | ||
| Curiously, the NSC comes out today and says, oh, the U.S., we'll continue to work with all nations and all energy markets to ensure energy supply for Americans. | ||
| at low prices, while not taking strident actions to elevate production in this country. | ||
| So that sends a very strong signal to OPEC +, and the balance in China that we're not in the game. | ||
| We don't intend to be in the game. | ||
| We intend to be committed to the environment, the environment, the environment, not industrial productivity, not competitiveness, not military strength, but only the environment in respect to this concern Which, you know, is it real? | ||
| I don't believe it is myself, and many, many scientists know the CO2 thing. | ||
| We've got six billion people in the world in countries who are not on board with committing to policies to reduce carbon emissions. | ||
| So the whole thing is becoming a very moot thing at this stage. | ||
| The impact, now they have OPEC, OPEC Plus has said we're going to take out a million barrels a day, and implied if they need to take more out, they'll do it because they want to get to that $100 a barrel. | ||
| What impact will that have, do you believe, on inflation, and what impact will that have on our audience as just basically not just the country's life, but their own personal economic and financial situation, sir? | ||
| Well, we've enjoyed average gas prices, for example, at about $3.35 a gallon in the U.S. based on $72 global, $68 to $72 prices. | ||
| In the mid-80s that we've now hit in the last week, we can probably expect to be close to $3.80 to $4 a gallon. | ||
| We get to $100 a barrel again, we'll be back to $4.50, $4.70 a gallon. | ||
| That's just the way it works. | ||
| And the price of natural gas will begin to trickle up along with They tend to be somewhat linked. | ||
| We've enjoyed 260 to 270 a decatherm for the last few months, but that'll begin to escalate as well, along with oil. | ||
| So no, it's going to have a devastating impact on inflation. | ||
| Our inability to kill OPEC in the crib, it's been around a long time, but we have not really taken seriously challenging efforts to make it go away. | ||
| And now we're paying the deer price. | ||
| What would you, if the Biden regime was open to your counsel, what are the two or three things you would tell them immediately have to be done? | ||
| Because you're not going to get our economy turned back around. | ||
| The energy is the predicate of all this, the basis. | ||
| This is why President Trump, when we first came into office with President Trump, it was full-spectrum energy dominance, not independence, dominance in every different field. | ||
| What would you tell the Biden regime right now? | ||
| The country needs to send immediate strong signals to the Saudis, the Chinese, and the Russians that we're in the game. | ||
| We're going to limit restrictions on pipeline transmission of oil and gas. | ||
| We're going to limit to, for a time period, long moratorium on environmental restrictions in the Arctic offshore to drilling and transporting natural gas and oil. | ||
| We're in the game. We're going to get back in the game. | ||
| We're going to elevate production to 14 to 15 million barrels a day. | ||
| Easily, we've got that in the Permian, in the Gulf of Mexico, in western Pennsylvania, in the Bakken, out in the Dakotas, and particularly up in North Alaska. | ||
| Easily the ability to go to 14 to 15 million barrels a day and then work closely with Brazil, Mexico, Canada, get England back in the game, work with Norway, develop a teaming process to take on, which those countries I've mentioned have about equivalent capacity as OPEC+. So there is absolutely the challenges, but you've got to be committed to exploration and production. | ||
| And not ESG mantra that we're done, we're done, we're done with fossil fuels. | ||
| As we continue to communicate that, people believe us and they're acting out on what we're saying because that's all we're saying for most of the administrative heads of our government. | ||
| From the SEC to the Justice Department, the Department of the Interior. | ||
| It's all the same messaging. When you see the budget, he just gave a $6.8 trillion budget that had, I don't know, a trillion, trillion and a half deficit. | ||
| You see these big fights. I'm going to talk about this in a second. | ||
| Can any of this be achieved, closing the budget deficit, all this, while we have a cartel that essentially has their hands around? | ||
| We've walked into the fact of allowing them to have their hands around our throats and could drive oil back up to $100 a barrel, sir? | ||
| No, it becomes very difficult. | ||
| And actually, amping up exports of LNG, amping up exports of crude oil do nothing but benefit our balance of trade. | ||
| Those are now the number two and three largest products we export in the country that combat the balance of trade deficit that we have. | ||
| Natural gas growing will double two and a half times within five years, the exports of LNG. We've got to amp that up. | ||
| We've got to work again to get to the 15 million barrel a day threshold to strengthen the currency. | ||
| These are two of our largest exported commodities from the United States of America. | ||
| To strengthen the currency, we've got to export strongly. | ||
| We've got to strengthen the dollar with exports, get the balance of trade under control. | ||
| The tax revenues also accrue from that. | ||
| Hate to advocate for that, but that's a byproduct of having strong exportation and a strong industrial Sector, of which oil and gas, petrochemicals are a key part. | ||
| There is no prayer of balancing the budget without the enormous tax receipts that these great products that drive human productivity drive. | ||
| Again, we continue to talk about displacing our primary fuel supply with stuff that literally doesn't exist today. | ||
| And that coming from government who are not a technology developer, that's irrational. | ||
| But that's what we've been doing. | ||
| And now we've got the Kingdom, Russia, China believing us. | ||
| They believe us. We're not a player. | ||
| No, and they're using this as an angle of attack and an inflection point. | ||
| The most unfair tax is the regressive tax of inflation, and now you add increased fuel prices because energy underpins everything, right? | ||
| From your energy bill to driving to work to getting mass transport. | ||
| Dave, what is your social media? | ||
| How can people follow you on social media? | ||
| Before I get to that, you know, Granholm just a few days ago came out on light bulbs. | ||
| We need to buy LEDs only. | ||
| We're going to make standard light bulbs illegal. | ||
| But that's a signal. | ||
| It's a signal of a commitment to inflationary actions by the administration. | ||
| I can be reached at Dave Wallace Energy. | ||
| And same on the other social media, Dave Wallace Energy. | ||
| Amazing stuff, Dave. | ||
| Thank you very much. Thank you. | ||
| Okay, this whole fight, the economics and the capital markets here is of paramount importance. | ||
| That's why this Trump situation is not about the law, and we're not going to waste time speaking about the law because it's not about that. | ||
| This is very simply, they cannot beat President Trump at the ballot box, so they must use lawfare to go after him. | ||
| One of the reasons they know they can't beat him at the ballot box is that his plan of peace and prosperity kept us out of this Third World War, in particular this financial and economic crisis. | ||
| A big part of that predicated upon going from Trump's full-spectrum energy dominance into this fiasco that we have today. | ||
| You add that with the invasion on the southern border. | ||
| You add it to the massive spending. | ||
| Because remember, the spending is not a benefit. | ||
| The spending is a tax on you. | ||
| This gross overspending is a tax on working class and middle class people because you pay for it. | ||
| You underwrite it. And you have to ask yourself, what kind of benefits am I really getting from it? | ||
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| The third installment now, the end of the dollar empire. | ||
| The first installment was the politics of money. | ||
| The second was the pressure on the dollars, the prime reserve currency. | ||
| The third is the debt trap. | ||
| What that specifically talks about is this massive fight that's going to come up about the debt ceiling, the national debt, the debt on the balance sheet of the Federal Reserve, and particularly this massive overspending that continues on, and the implications not just to the country, but to the community, your family, and yourself. | ||
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| Because right now, it's been a hedge for 5,000 years. | ||
| And we see countries like Japan and China and India, the same countries that are forming against us to take down the dollars, the prime reserve currency. | ||
| They're buying gold with both hands as fast as they can. | ||
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| Our task and purpose here is to immerse you in information, and this is information you need, and you need it today. | ||
| We're going to get more into, we've got to get through tomorrow. | ||
| Okay, we've got to get through tomorrow. | ||
| We're not going to cover it as the circus atmosphere that so much of the media, and that's where we had the OJ intercut in the first. | ||
| It's a disgrace what they're doing on TV. They know it's a disgrace. | ||
| This is a psyop, a complete psyop, and we refuse to play along with it. | ||
| So we will have the smartest people talking about what's really going on in regards to the situation in New York tomorrow. | ||
| We also have other massive news. | ||
| I want to bring you Krom Carmichael up for a moment. | ||
| Krom, I got a little ill last week going to East Palestine, Ohio. | ||
| And I've just now recovered, but in that time I was down and missed the show for a day. | ||
| It got me to think, the most important thing we have in the posse right now is our health. | ||
| And everybody, every person that comes to this show and is on this show as a contributor, everybody comes to the show and is an audience participant as an activist. | ||
| And you'll see this tonight when we do the Scott Pressler A livestream on Getter is absolutely essential. | ||
| When you see this travesty tomorrow, you're going to realize you're absolutely essential to the health of this republic and to making sure that we can bequeath to our children and grandchildren the same constitutional republic that was bequeathed to us. | ||
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| Yes Steve, thanks so much and thanks for everything that you do. | ||
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| Krom, thank you very much. | ||
| Honored to have you on here. Appreciate it. | ||
| Thank you. I appreciate you bringing Salty to all the War Room posse. | ||
| Really appreciate it. You have hearts of lions, folks. | ||
| Let's take care of them. | ||
| Okay, short commercial break. We're gonna be back with another action-packed half hour only in the War Room. | ||
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War Room Battleground with Stephen K. Bannon. | |
| you Okay, welcome back. | ||
| When this is looked at in the long reach of history, this travesty and our looking into the abyss, of what these radicals have done to our constitutional system and are doing to the rule of law in Manhattan, New York, a hotbed of traitors and people that hate this country and want to destroy the foundation of this country. | ||
| I think we'll be topped by one thing's going on, and this is why we've been obsessed with it for the last couple of years. | ||
| I want to bring in Joe Allen for a second. | ||
| Joe, I want to read the Time magazine from over the weekend. | ||
| I finally got a chance to go through in detail. | ||
| But this is about what's happening right now with artificial intelligence. | ||
| We have warned about this, the lack of regulation, the lack of control, the lack of what's happening. | ||
| And with the first hundred days of the launch of ChatGPT in Davos, we are now at a crisis already. | ||
| And this is because the top thinkers of the world, the top 1,000 people have said, hey, we have to have a moratorium. | ||
| We have to have a minimum of six months. | ||
| Upon further review, upon further review, we have to have a six-month moratorium. | ||
| If we don't have a six-month moratorium, this is a problem. | ||
| And of course, as we've argued, the Chinese and others are never going to agree with that. | ||
| But even for them to come out and say that. | ||
| But more disturbingly, individuals that are as steeped or more steeped than they in this have come out and said no. | ||
| The six-month moratorium and kind of do it is absurd. | ||
| It has to be much more. It must be full stop on this immediately. | ||
| And I just want to give, before I turn it over to you, and then we're going to play your cold open after you respond to me. | ||
| Because people just think, hey, when you guys are talking about artificial intelligence, you're talking about the superbrain, the connection of these computers, and I can see it's digital. | ||
| It's deeper than that. | ||
| What is it, Yudkowsky? | ||
| Is that how you pronounce his name, Joe? | ||
| How you pronounce the gentleman that wrote the piece? | ||
| Yes. I just want to quote from this and turn it back over to you. | ||
| To visualize, and he's comparing that you have as much a chance of winning against here as the 11th century had against the 21st century, or some species way down the food chain would have to defeat Homo sapien in any kind of sophisticated way. | ||
| He goes, quote, to visualize a hostile superhuman artificial intelligence. | ||
| Don't imagine a lifeless book smart thinker dwelling inside the internet and sending ill-intentioned emails. | ||
| Visualize an entire alien civilization thinking at millions of times human speeds initially confined to computers. | ||
| In a world of creatures that are, from its perspective, very stupid and very slow. | ||
| A sufficiently intelligent AI won't stay confined to computers for long. | ||
| In today's world, you can email DNA strings to laboratories that will produce proteins on demand, allowing an AI initially confined to the Internet to build artificial life forms or bootstraps straight to post-biological molecular manufacturing. | ||
| Joe, I don't think And our audience is supposed to be the most sophisticated, but we're going to have a call to arms here about what has to happen to regulate this. | ||
| Tell me the seriousness of some of these top people, because I spent the weekend talking to some people behind the scenes, and I can tell you some of the smartest people in the world are absolutely petrified of what they are now realizing are coming out of these research labs and these weapons labs just on our side of the football. | ||
| God help us. You saw what the CCP virus did to the world on the biological weapons side, and they got a lot more where that came from. | ||
| Thinking about what they have in the AI virus area has some people catatonic. | ||
| Joe Allen. Steve, first thing to get into the audience's consciousness is just where Eleazar Yudkowsky is coming from. | ||
| We've covered him for probably two months now. | ||
| And the important thing to remember is that he is at the farthest end of the Doomer spectrum, right? | ||
| He is literally the worst-case scenario guy. | ||
| He's also among the most intelligent people talking about this. | ||
| A very complicated person. | ||
| He's a very neurotic person. | ||
| But his reasoning was strong enough to have tremendous influence on Nick Bostrom, who we've covered continually, author of the book Superintelligent. | ||
| Also on Elon Musk, through Bostrom and directly. | ||
| Also on Sam Altman. | ||
| Also on Peter Thiel. | ||
| So all of those people Listen to Yudkowsky basically up until this point, although I would say Elon Musk is very much on his wavelength still. | ||
| And what Yudkowsky is arguing is that you really, at this point, due to the complexity, the neural network complexity and unpredictable output of GPT technology, particularly GPT-4, you don't know when it could get out from human control. | ||
| So there's various ways that could happen. | ||
| You just mentioned two right there. | ||
| A lot of people scoff. | ||
| I don't know that they're that plausible, but I definitely know it's nothing to scoff at. | ||
| And the two you just mentioned are the idea that this artificial intelligence out of human control connected to the Internet could begin to manipulate people to create viruses. | ||
| That would kill human beings, or this is, I think, quite a bit less plausible, but to create post-biological molecular systems or nanotechnology that would begin to create havoc among actual biological beings, us, human beings. | ||
| So this guy, Yudkowsky, while he does sit on that far end of the spectrum, I think that the reason he's had such impact It's because everyone was completely stunned at the capabilities of GPT, especially now with GPT-4 showing excellence on all of these different human intellectual metrics. | ||
| Whether or not you go to bed tonight terrified of robots killing you, I think it's absolutely important to listen to people like him because people like him are the reason that we didn't go to nuclear war with Russia or other nuclear powers during the Cold War. | ||
| He's pointing out what I think is a very legitimate danger, and that is just simply a digital system that is non-deterministic, and therefore it is somewhat out of human control. | ||
| And the problem he points out is if it gets any more advanced, right? | ||
| So the moratorium that was called for by the Future of Life Institute calls for a six-month moratorium on the training of anything above the level of GPT-4. | ||
| And what Yudkowsky is saying is that that is pathetically inadequate and that there needs to be a global and international agreement among all powers that the training of any system probably at GPT-4 or lower should be completely abolished. | ||
| Now, he goes to the extreme. | ||
| This is something we talked about last time that a lot of people, I think, are very stunned about. | ||
| He goes to the extreme of saying that if any nation or if there are any rogue data centers on foreign soil, that the US or any country should be ready to launch an airstrike on foreign soil. | ||
| And he specifically says at the risk of nuclear war, because to him, the risk of artificial general intelligence out of control is worse than nuclear war. | ||
| At that point, he pretty much loses me. | ||
| Because I think that those sorts of extreme responses, not that anyone in Washington is smart enough to understand what he's saying anyway, but those sorts of responses obviously are, I think, way, way overboard considering the unknowns of the situation. | ||
| But I do think that his alarm is certainly worth listening to. | ||
| Do you think given, and we'll play the quote open here in a second, do you think given, I mean to have a thousand of the top thinkers and I mean some of the biggest brand names in this space come out and say they need a six month moratorium, a minimum of six months moratorium is shocking in and of itself. | ||
| Do you believe given that warning that this is getting the type of coverage that I can tell you behind the scenes, both in the financial and hedge fund community and also I think in certain military circles, People are duly, extremely worried because they don't have a sense that anybody is on top of this, right? That anybody's on top of this. | ||
| But do you believe this has gotten the type of, not just coverage, but had the type of impact that clearly the signers of that declaration intended it to have? | ||
| Yes, I do. | ||
| I do think that it sparked off an understandable sort of race to the most sensationalist interpretation, whether it's sensationalist in Yudkowsky's kind of perspective, which has been solid. | ||
| It's not like he's just suddenly come up with this argument. | ||
| But also, I think that a lot of people, specifically Meta's chief AI scientist, Jan LeCun, people like him have taken it upon themselves to completely mock the possibility of AI being a danger in any form, not just the most extreme forms, but pretty much any form. | ||
| He compares it, for instance, to air travel. | ||
| Air travel was always dangerous, and we did it anyway. | ||
| We put in the regulation after the fact. | ||
| I think he really underplays it. | ||
| And there's another of other serious thinkers who do underplay it. | ||
| And so it's created this polarization, which we mentioned last time, where you've got one extreme, people who are just completely terrified. | ||
| And that includes a lot Of the people who are very much in a position to know, top AI experts and others in technology that really do understand the true risk, the nuts and bolts. | ||
| And then at the other end, you just have this kind of, you know, this blind dismissal that this is nothing but science fiction and people panicking. | ||
| I would say that myself and others that I know who are actual AI programmers and understand the code in and out and the ultimate effects in and out, I stand much more towards the alarmist side. | ||
| I think that people have very much underplayed the dangers of most of the technologies that have been deployed over the last few decades. | ||
| Like I say, though, I do think that this is also an opportunity for the government to seize upon the panic. | ||
| To secure more undue powers for themselves, much like what you see right now with the Restrict Act and the Data Act coming up behind it. | ||
| So it's a really tricky situation. | ||
| I think that it's really, really important that the general public understand That there is a real danger, not just in AI, but all the technologies that we're talking about. | ||
| And these tech companies, by and large, are operating under the sort of premises of accelerationism. | ||
| They believe that we have to go forward on all of them, whether it's genetic engineering, whether it's human brain-computer interfaces, whether it's robotics, or whether it's artificial intelligence. | ||
| Especially artificial general intelligence, all of them just want to rocket forward in the name of either competition or as if it were some sort of cosmic fate that human beings create these potentially destructive technologies just because it's in the nature of our nature and the nature of the cosmos itself, which is a kind of stunning techno-cult sort of perspective. | ||
| But a lot of the people who are in these different companies Speak this way. | ||
| Sam Altman, probably the most outspoken among them. | ||
| Let's go ahead and play. Memphis, can we go ahead and play the cold open for Joe? | ||
| Let's play that and Joe will come and explain it. | ||
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In a few moments, Colossus will address us directly. | |
| This is the voice of world control. | ||
| I bring you peace. | ||
| It may be the peace of plenty and contempt, or the peace of unburied death. | ||
| The choice is yours. | ||
| Obey me and live, or disobey and die. | ||
| The frightening story of the day man built himself out of existence. | ||
| Colossus, the Forbin Project. | ||
| The Supreme Council of the USSR has ordered as of 2300 hours Moscow time tomorrow, The activation of an electronic brain, exactly like ours, which they call God. | ||
| They built Colossus, supercomputer with a mind of its own. | ||
| Then they had to fight it for the world. | ||
| I don't think artificial intelligence is a threat. | ||
| People like us, street smart, we're never scared of that. | ||
| We think it's a great fun, and we want to change ourselves to embrace it. | ||
| I don't know, man. That's like famous last words. | ||
| So paint a picture for us. | ||
| One, five, ten years in the future. | ||
| What changes because of artificial intelligence? | ||
| So part of the exciting thing here is we get continually surprised by the creative power of all of society. | ||
| I think that word surprise, though, it's both exhilarating as well as terrifying to people. | ||
| Would you push a button to stop this if it meant there was a 5 % chance it would be the end of the world? | ||
| I would push a button to slow it down. | ||
| And in fact, I think we will need to figure out ways to slow down this technology over time. | ||
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Until quite recently, I thought it was going to be like 20 to 50 years before we have general purpose AI. Now I think it may be 20 years or less. | |
| Some people think it could be like five. | ||
| I wouldn't completely rule that possibility out now, whereas a few years ago I would have said no way. | ||
| What do you think the chances are of AI just wiping out humanity? | ||
| It's not inconceivable. | ||
| Okay. That's all I'll say. | ||
| There's an expert from the Machine Intelligence Research Institute who says that if there is not an indefinite pause on AI development, this is a quote, literally everyone on Earth will die. | ||
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Your delivery, Peter, it's quite something. | |
| It sounds crazy, but is it? | ||
| It was like ChatGPT's blind version of throwing the ideals at a place where they were exactly the wrong ideals to solve the problem, when the problem is that demon summoning is easy and angel summoning is much harder. | ||
| Open sourcing all the demon summoning circles is not the correct solution. | ||
| I do not think it is possible to understand the full depth of the problem that we are inside without understanding the problem of facing something that's actually smarter, not a malfunctioning recommendation system, not something that isn't fundamentally smarter than you, but it's like trying to steer you in a direction yet. | ||
| No, like if we solve the weak stuff, if we solve the weak-ass problems, the strong problems will still kill us. | ||
| The thing I want to communicate is the sort of difference that separates humans from chimpanzees. | ||
| But that gap is so large that you, like, ask people to be like, well, human, chimpanzee, go another step along that interval of around the same length and people's minds just go blank. | ||
| Like, how do you even do that? | ||
| The problem is that we do not get 50 years to try and try again and observe that we were wrong and come up with a different theory and realize that the entire thing is going to be, like, way more difficult than realized at the start. | ||
| Because the first time you fail at aligning something much smarter than you are, you die. | ||
| Okay, explain to us what we just saw there, sir. | ||
| Steve, I put that together really to give the audience a range of opinions. | ||
| And also at the opening, a lot of audience members have asked for that. | ||
| So that's a Colossus 1970 movie based off of a 1966 novel by D.F. Jones. | ||
| And the movie itself or the story, you know, very, very early on described a scenario in which Human beings, the American military, create an artificial superintelligence. | ||
| Russia creates one of its own, and things get hairy. | ||
| So these ideas have been bubbling around for a long time. | ||
| In fact, Alan Turing, arguably the first, certainly among the first real computer scientists, said that he believed thinking machines would outpace humans, and he was saying that back in the 1950s. | ||
| But then you have Jack Ma and Elon Musk, classic debate, Jack Ma completely unconcerned about artificial intelligence. | ||
| That was 2019. And then you have Sam Altman talking about if he thought that there was a 5 % chance that his AI system would cause the end of the world, he would push a button to slow it down. | ||
| I think that probably one of the more stunning for a lot of people was Jeffrey Hinton, who is at University of Toronto and Google Brain. | ||
| And there you have Jeffrey Hinton just a few days ago saying that he would not rule out the possibility of AI wiping humanity off the earth. | ||
| Of all of them, he is probably the most sober and serious, and yet he takes this very seriously. | ||
| And then, of course, Rounding off, Eleazar Yudkowsky. | ||
| And Yudkowsky is, as I said earlier, undoubtedly a neurotic and profoundly strange individual, also extremely intelligent, And I think that he has done more than anyone to really kind of map out and reason what the possible paths to not only a beneficial AI, but the destructive AI. Him and Nick Bostrom, who took a lot of his inspiration from Yudkowsky. | ||
| And so, as anyone listening to this thinks this through, because I think right now, Steve, I think that right now we're at the kind of height or we're on our way to the height of the wave of coverage and tension and sensationalism, and that will ebb before artificial intelligence does much else but confuse people and make them somewhat subservient to the machine, | ||
| I think. I think that right now is a great time for people in our audience and especially for the politicians who are going to have to deal with regulating this to seize the opportunity of public consciousness to understand that this is a very relevant topic. | ||
| Even if it's not the end of the world, it could definitely mean profound impacts on the public psyche, on the education system, so on and so forth, to reason through those and respond accordingly. | ||
| No, we've got to move rapidly. | ||
| By the way, the Jack Ma piece, I can guarantee you, he's just a mouthpiece for the CCP there. | ||
| The CCP doesn't want any slowdown of what's happening in our official intelligence right now. | ||
| People should assume that's not a good thing. | ||
| Jack Ma is talking as a total puppet to the CCP. Hinton's is the one that should shock you, because this is not a guy with his hair on fire. | ||
| Joe, we've got to go. How do people get to all your writing, sir? | ||
| Steve, you can find me at jobot.xyz, warroom.org under the transhumanism tab. | ||
| Getter and Twitter at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z. Thank you very much, Steve. | ||
| Okay, brother, thank you. By the way, tonight live on Getter, 7.30 p.m. | ||
| Eastern Daylight Time, we'll have up Scott Pressler from Wisconsin. | ||
| We're going to be back at 10 o'clock tomorrow morning. | ||
| Tomorrow's going to be a very tough day. | ||
| We're going to make sure we're going to guide you through it so you get all the information you need without any of the crap. | ||
| Okay, so we'll be back there at 10 a.m. |
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