April 1, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
| I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
| MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Bamm. | |
| It's Saturday, 1 April, on the Year of Our Lord 2023. | ||
| It is the first day of the second quarter of a historic year. | ||
| We've had the Harvard Business School and, of course, with Dr. | ||
| Navarro, the Harvard Department of Economics take on capital markets and the economy. | ||
| I will come back and spend more time on Dr. | ||
| Rubini, who's also at Harvard, about the insolvency of the banking system. | ||
| A little later, but I want to go to the Harvard Law School. | ||
| A revered Professor Dershowitz has given his life to the training of the finest legal minds in our nation. | ||
| Many of the federal judges and the top lawyers in the country were students of his. | ||
| Professor Dershowitz, your book Get Trump has really been the blueprint of having a rational conversation about this. | ||
| Before just getting to the charges, In reading your book and then following your interviews around on other sites, which are just incredible, I've kind of become addicted to them. | ||
| Could this, could Trump's lawyers Actually walk in and get this dismissed. | ||
| One of the things I find intriguing, you're sitting there going, they don't really have the underpinnings of fraud here. | ||
| Is that the case? | ||
| Is this thing that big a sham that you believe that if you had a judge that was really even-handed, you could get this dismissed just outright, sir? | ||
| I think any first-year law student could get this dismissed in front of any objective judge. | ||
| Start with the misdemeanor. | ||
| There is no misdemeanor here. | ||
| President Trump, former President Trump, settled. | ||
| A case paid $130,000. | ||
| No one in history has ever paid hush money and then put on his corporate form. | ||
| Oh, the reason I paid the hush money, honestly, was to keep my wife from learning the fact that I had an adulterous affair or I was accused of having an adulterous affair with a form of porn star. | ||
| No one in history has ever put that in a form and no one in history has ever been indicted for a misdemeanor for not putting that in a form. | ||
| This is part of Get Trump. | ||
| And, you know, the title, Get Trump, it's not original with me. | ||
| I'm not smart enough to come up with a good title like that. | ||
| This title comes from the Attorney General and District Attorney's campaigns in New York. | ||
| Their campaign slogan was Get Trump. | ||
| Here you have Democrats running for prosecution offices, promising to get Trump, the man who was about to run against the leader of their party, the President of the United States, You better have the strongest case in the world. | ||
| You better have a videotape of Donald Trump killing somebody on Fifth Avenue rather than paying some money, which thousands of people do every year, to have either false or true charges leveled against them. | ||
| And then to rely on Michael Cohen? | ||
| Today's New York Times has a very revealing story about that, about how the case got And apparently Bragg decided, ah, now I believe That Michael Cohen is telling the truth. | ||
| Well, I have some headline news for Mr. | ||
| Bragg and for the American public. | ||
| I'm about to sue Michael Cohen because he hasn't stopped lying. | ||
| He lied about me this week on a tweet. | ||
| He said that I was involved in Jeffrey Epstein's underage island. | ||
| I've never been accused of anything like that, and the one woman who accused me in New York said she now realizes she may have made a mistake and misidentified me and confused me with somebody else. | ||
| But you get Cohen continuing to lie. | ||
| He's not stopped. He lies about me, and that will come out in court. | ||
| And so I think that Trump's lawyers will have additional evidence now To show that Michael Cohen is not the kind of guy who just lied to his lawyers, lied to the federal government, lied to the state government, and then suddenly God has come down and told him to tell the truth, and he's telling the truth. He's still lying about me. | ||
| He's mad at me because I called him a liar, and he's mad at Trump, and that's why he was lying about Trump. | ||
| Let me just go for a second. | ||
| Let's go back to Bragg all of a sudden having this revelation that you could believe Cohen, and then I want to get to your defamation. | ||
| Clearly Cohen's throwing that out there to make sure that you can't become one of the leading voices of Trump's defense. | ||
| In the New York Times piece, what's the revelation that Bragg has about Michael Cohen that now thinks he's telling the truth? | ||
| Well, the revelation really comes in the form of political pressure. | ||
| What happens is he says he's not going to prosecute. | ||
| And then in the New York Times says that created an outrage in New York, a real pushback. | ||
| He got a tremendous amount of pressure because in New York, Trump is the most evil man in the history of the world. | ||
| And so suddenly he was persuaded that Michael Cohen must be telling the truth because if he's not telling the truth, there's no case against Trump. | ||
| And if there's no case against Trump, Bragg doesn't get reelected. | ||
| He promised to get Trump. | ||
| And if he doesn't get him, he doesn't get reelected. | ||
| He doesn't get a half million dollars from George Soros, which he got for his first campaign. | ||
| And so the revelation is nothing new at all. | ||
| Cohn continues to lie. | ||
| Cohn doesn't know the difference between lying and telling the truth. | ||
| And I can't imagine an ethical prosecutor—and I have to A chapter in my book about the ethics of prosecutors, I can't imagine an ethical prosecutor looking a jury in the eye and saying, you have to believe this man, Michael Cohen, although he lied to his lawyers, to the federal government, to the state government, to everybody else, now suddenly he's discovered that he has to tell the truth. | ||
| If he does that, Trump's lawyer says, but look what he said about Alan Dershowitz just a few days ago. | ||
| He's lied. He'd made up a story. | ||
| That's what he does when he gets mad at people. | ||
| He lies about them, and he's mad at Donald Trump, and he's lying about him. | ||
| I can't imagine proceeding with Michael Cohen. | ||
| Now, they can try to make the case. | ||
| In my book, Get Trump, I show how they can try to make the case without Cohen, just by using Pecker from the National Enquirer, The man from Trump's financial, but they're not going to have it. | ||
| And the New York Times story makes it clear today that without Michael Cohen, there is no case. | ||
| You know, Bragg has now hired dozens and dozens of lawyers, many of whom I know. | ||
| Some of them are my former students. | ||
| They're terrific lawyers, and they've labored for years and years and years, and they produced a mouse. | ||
| A mouse named Mickey. | ||
| It's a Mickey Mouse case. | ||
| The misdemeanor is not valid. | ||
| Then turning it into a felony? | ||
| Let me give you the pièce de résistance. | ||
| So they say that the statute of limitations was told. | ||
| It's been seven years since this happened. | ||
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Statute of limitations is two years for misdemeanor, five years for felony. | |
| They say, no, no, no, there's an exception because he was out of state and we couldn't find him. | ||
| He was in the White House. | ||
| But he was out of state. | ||
| And if you're out of state, the statute of limitations doesn't continue to run. | ||
| Well, duh! He was out of state the day he was arrested. | ||
| He was in Florida last Thursday. | ||
| If they could indict him when he's out of state in Florida on Thursday, why couldn't they have indicted him the Thursday before and Five years earlier, seven years earlier, their statute of limitations argument makes no sense at all. | ||
| And any decent judge would throw out the case on statute of limitations arguments. | ||
| Then if there is a trial, it can't be in Manhattan. | ||
| It can't be in Manhattan. | ||
| It has to be in Staten Island. | ||
| It has to be in Rockland County or out of state. | ||
| And again, let's get personal. | ||
| I defended President Trump in 2000 as a civil libertarian. | ||
| I wasn't a Trump supporter politically. | ||
| But I defended him as a civil libertarian. | ||
| I lost all my friends on Martha's Vineyard. | ||
| Larry David said he would never talk to me. | ||
| I was disgusting. Ten times that would happen to any judge in New York or any juror in Manhattan who rendered a verdict in favor of Donald Trump. | ||
| Oh my God! That's the man who allowed Trump to become our next president. | ||
| Don't talk to him. Don't have anything to do with him. | ||
| No judge, no juror would be able to resist that kind of pressure. | ||
| Is that the kind of fair trial? | ||
| Our Constitution demands? | ||
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No way. Let me go back. | |
| A couple of things. You're saying the book record misdemeanor is a joke, and even then upgraded to a felony is a bigger joke. | ||
| Bill Barr said it's held together by chicken wire. | ||
| You're saying it's not even held together. | ||
| Oh, it's not held together, Paul. | ||
| There's no interconnectivity here. You know, they claim 1 and 1 equals 11, but it's 0 plus 0 equals 0. | ||
| There is no misdemeanor case. | ||
| There is no felony case. Now, it may have other things in the indictment. | ||
| They may say that he undervalued his 40 Wall Street building for tax purposes and overvalued it for purposes of getting loans. | ||
| If every real estate owner was indicted for that, the real estate industry in New York and all over the country would disappear. | ||
| Morova Bank's They hire the best auditors in the world to do an independent check on the value of these buildings. | ||
| But he may add things like that. | ||
| He may add other financial records cases. | ||
| Maybe he'll add the case of the hush payment to McDougal. | ||
| It won't amount to a thing when you go after the man who's running for president against the leader of your party. | ||
| It better be the strongest case in history. | ||
| It better be airtight. | ||
| It better be a slam dunk. | ||
| It better be so good that he's going to plead guilty, and the people in his own party are going to say, you better plead guilty like they did with Richard Nixon. | ||
| This is not that case. | ||
| Democrats, friends of mine who hate me for having defended Trump, who hate Trump, are now calling me and saying, but this case? | ||
| There's nothing to it. | ||
| There's nothing to it. Let's keep an open mind. | ||
| Tuesday we'll know what the indictment is. | ||
| By the way, why do we know there's been an indictment? | ||
| Because somebody has leaked it. | ||
| That somebody is either in Bragg's office or in the grand jury. | ||
| That's a felony, a five-year felony, a real felony committed right under the nose of District Attorney Bragg. | ||
| And as far as I know, he's doing no investigation of it. | ||
| In today's New York Times, they have even more details of what went on in the grand jury room. | ||
| They have details of the argument that was made, of the preparation that was made. | ||
| That could only come from people within Bragg's office. | ||
| That's a felony. | ||
| Why isn't he prosecuting that felony? | ||
| Why isn't the New York Times demanding that there be an investigation as to how this leak occurred, this illegal leak occurred? | ||
| It's another example of Get Trump, but don't get people who are trying to get Trump. | ||
| Give them immunity. Exempt them. | ||
| People say no one's above the law. | ||
| Are the people in Bragg's office above the law? | ||
| No. No one is below the law. | ||
| You don't apply a statute the way this is being applied, never before in history done, to somebody who's running for president in order to try to stop him. | ||
| But they can't stop him. As I show in my book Get Trump Again, even if he is indicted, and he has been, convicted, He's imprisoned. | ||
| He can run from prison. Eugene V. Debs ran from prison. | ||
| I spoke to Donald Trump the other day. | ||
| He called me to tell me that he loved my book. | ||
| He wished I'd vote for him, but he hopes everybody will read my book. | ||
| It's a brilliant book. I really appreciate that. | ||
| But I said to him, Mr. President, I have some advice for you. | ||
| He said, oh, wow, you have some advice. | ||
| What's the advice? I said, invest in a t-shirt company that will make the t-shirt based on your mugshot. | ||
| It will be the largest selling t-shirt in history since Frank Sinatra. | ||
| had his mugshot made into a poster. | ||
| So in the end, this will backfire, I think, against the Democrats and against Bragg. | ||
| But in the meantime, it's done tremendous damage to the rule of law, and that's what I care about. | ||
| I don't care so much who gets elected president. | ||
| I do. I'm going to vote for the person I think is going to be the best or the least worst. | ||
| That's not my point. | ||
| My point is do not destroy the American legal system, the rule of law, something that we've worked on for 250 years and become the best country in the world. | ||
| We're destroying it. We have a minute in this segment. | ||
| You're one of the most revered professors at the most revered law school in the nation. | ||
| You, as you said, have trained a bunch of these lawyers. | ||
| What happened in the process? | ||
| How could lawyers trained by you at this revered institution of Harvard Law School be on the staff of Bragg, who I believe is a Harvard Law School graduate? | ||
| Sir, we've got about a minute and then we'll come back. | ||
| Well, I don't blame them for being on the staff. | ||
| I blame them for not protesting this prosecution. | ||
| Look, Trump derangement syndrome is real. | ||
| I know. I see it around me all the time. | ||
| Decent people, good people, people who have worked for me as research assistants. | ||
| When it comes to Trump, their brain just shrivels up and they say, look, this is Adolf Hitler. | ||
| This is the worst person ever to become president of the United States. | ||
| We have to stop at nothing to do it. | ||
| People have talked about taking other, even more extreme measures to stop it from happening. | ||
| Even if you don't want Trump to be president of the United States, you have to use legal means. | ||
| That's why we have elections in this country. | ||
| Vote against him. Campaign against him. | ||
| Make campaign contributions. | ||
| Find real crimes if you must. | ||
| But don't make up crimes and destroy our legal system. | ||
| In an attempt to get Trump. | ||
| That's why I wrote my book, Get Trump. | ||
| And the best message you can send to Bragg is buy my book, keep it a bestseller. | ||
| That will tell Bragg that people are watching. | ||
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There's accountability. Maybe not in New York City, maybe not in Manhattan, but around the country. | |
| Professor Dershowitz, just hang on one second. | ||
| We'll keep a little bit in the next box. | ||
| The book is Get Trump. | ||
| From Sky Horse, we'll make sure it's up on all of our sites and at Amazon. | ||
| Short break, Professor Alan Dershowitz on the other side. | ||
| I want to draw your attention to one particularly dangerous trope that has emerged from the right wing attacks against Bragg. | ||
| If you've been following the Republican outrage machine, including many elected Republicans, you've probably already heard about the conspiracy theory that Bragg was handpicked and funded by the Jewish billionaire George Soros. | ||
| In fact, Bragg was elected by voters in New York County in 2021, and it's well documented that Soros never gave any money directly to Bragg. | ||
| He donated to a political action committee that supported progressive candidates who were seeking to be prosecutors, and that group included Bragg. | ||
| But that is too nuanced for the folks who are trying to stoke fear and doubt in our judicial system. | ||
| It's not an accident that the right wing is trying to tie Alvin Bragg to George Soros specifically. | ||
| The conservatives' use of George Soros as a boogeyman is steeped in racist conspiracy tropes, made to stoke fear among white conservatives that rich Jewish overlords secretly control things behind the scenes. | ||
| The banks, the media, Hollywood, and now, in fact, the courts. | ||
| These racist, deplorable conspiracy theories have a long history in this country and around the world, but it's been remarkable to watch how quickly this latest racist conspiracy theory attempting to tie George Soros down. | ||
| Professor Alan Dershowitz, who has really dedicated his life not just to the rule of law, but the defense of Israel and about anti-Semitism here in the United States. | ||
| So in the previous segment, you said he was a Soros-backed candidate. | ||
| Are you guilty of falling into a right-wing Anti-Jewish conspiracy theory trope, as MSNBC says, Professor? | ||
| Well, I have been active in the fight against anti-Semitism since I was a young man. | ||
| I was chairman of the Anti-Defamation League's Boston civil rights group. | ||
| I've written six books against anti-Semitism, and I am one of George Soros's strongest opponents. | ||
| I think he has done terrible things to America, terrible things to the world. | ||
| And it is not anti-Semitic at all to attack George Soros as an individual. | ||
| I've never attacked him as a Jew. | ||
| I don't even know whether he is, whether he identifies himself as a Jew. | ||
| I've attacked him as somebody who has pushed for woke progressive candidates. | ||
| And I've attacked the fact that District Attorney Bragg used money given to a PAC for progressive woke district attorneys. | ||
| Anytime anybody is attacked as an anti-Semite for criticizing Soros, please cite me. | ||
| I am one of Soros' leading critics, and I am one of the leading critics of anti-Semitism. | ||
| So it is inconceivable to me that I would ever, ever support an anti-Semitic trope. | ||
| But I do support anti-Soros tropes. | ||
| And I hate the fact that some people in Europe, particularly in Eastern Europe, have used Soros as a kind of representative of Jewish power, but I've never done that. | ||
| As far as I know, that's never been a trope that's been picked up in the United States. | ||
| It's an Eastern European trope. | ||
| And the idea that somehow Soros is exempt from being criticism because he's a Jew, it's another form of bigotry. | ||
| Always attack people on the merits without regard to their And don't worry about being called an anti-Semite if your facts are correct and your accusations against sources correct. | ||
| And MSNBC didn't point out any mistake of facts, and certainly I can't be accused of anti-Semitism in any way. | ||
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I fought against it all of my life. | |
| Professor, being as well known as you are in the book, being the success it is, by the way, the book is Get Trump. | ||
| It's on Amazon. It's at the great Skyhorse publisher. | ||
| Has MSNBC or anybody over there reached out to you to have you on to discuss this topic, sir? | ||
| I've been totally canceled by MSNBC, by CNN, by the New York Times. | ||
| I used to be the most frequent writer in the New York Times as a lawyer. | ||
| I wrote what? Dozens and dozens of op-eds. | ||
| Also, my book, Get Trump, is not available in independent bookstores. | ||
| It was the number one bestseller last weekend, after your show, by the way, the number one nonfiction bestseller on Amazon.com. | ||
| But if you go to an independent bookstore in New York City or anywhere in the country, they'll say, we don't carry books called Get Trump. | ||
| So if you want the book, you have to get it on Amazon.com or on Barnes and Noble. | ||
| But you can't walk into your local bookstore And by the book. | ||
| The book has been absolutely cancelled by people who don't like the concept of Get Trump and the title Get Trump. | ||
| They don't realize that the title Get Trump comes from Democrat candidates for Attorney General and District Attorney of New York. | ||
| I want to make sure everybody gets a copy of this book. | ||
| You've got to read it. This is the best prep for all the circus that's going to go next week. | ||
| Remember, we're not going to fall in the trap of the circus. | ||
| We're going to go after the facts here and what's important and spend most time on the big stories driving this country. | ||
| We're at the beginning stages of a third world war. | ||
| On the Eurasian landmass, you've got a financial crisis. | ||
| Professor Nabini's got, I've got it up on Guetta right now, the insolvency of the American banking system, the important things. | ||
| Professor Dershowitz, you broke, I think, some news here. | ||
| I just want to make sure I go back on Michael Cohen. | ||
| Because Michael Cohen is now central to this, whether you like Michael Cohen or don't like Michael Cohen. | ||
| As the New York Times reported today, he's central to Bragg's epiphany that all of a sudden he's truthful. | ||
| You said that he tweeted out something about you and Epstein in this Epstein Island. | ||
| You say it defamed you. | ||
| You're going to assume for defamation. | ||
| If he apologized or took it down, would you back off that, or are you going to go after him hard on this? | ||
| Well, let me read you the email he just sent to me, Alan. | ||
| As you know from our conversation on my podcast, I have and has always had tremendous respect and admiration for you as a constitutional lawyer and scholar. | ||
| If you were angered at my tweet, why not just have called me and express that to me? | ||
| I am happy to remove the tweet. | ||
| I am happy to remove the tweet, but similarly, I ask that you treat me with the same respect that I treat you. | ||
| Feel free to call me at any time. | ||
| Well, he's willing to remove the tweet. | ||
| That's not enough. When you throw a skunk into the jury room, you can take the skunk out, but the smell still remains. | ||
| He accused me of associating with a pedophile on an island with young people. | ||
| It's just a total and complete and categorical lie. | ||
| And the woman who originally accused me has now issued a formal statement saying she now realizes that she may have misidentified me, confused me with someone else. | ||
| In other words, I was never there, even when she accused me, by the way. | ||
| She never accused me of anything on Epstein's island. | ||
| I've never been on any island with young people, with underage people. | ||
| So it's an absolute defamation. | ||
| And no, it's not enough for him to remove the tweet. | ||
| That may be an admission by him that he's lied in the tweet, but he has to go a lot further to avoid a lawsuit. | ||
| And I suspect that A, there'll be a lawsuit. | ||
| And I suspect that Trump's lawyers will use this tweet, both of these tweets, the original tweet And then the one he sent me an email as proof that he hasn't changed his ways, that he's still prepared to lie about innocent people if he doesn't like what the innocent people have said about them. | ||
| He's mad at me. I understand them being mad at me. | ||
| But when you're mad at somebody, you don't lie about them. | ||
| I understand he's mad at Donald Trump. | ||
| And yet we know now that he's lied about Donald Trump. | ||
| So I suspect that this tweet and the email may become useful to Trump's lawyers If there is a trial and if Michael Cohen testifies. | ||
| I just want to make sure he just sent you that email and he was mad at you and said this because you've been pointing out that he's been basically a liar throughout this entire process, correct? | ||
| That's right. I've been telling the truth. | ||
| He didn't like the truth, so he made up a lie about me. | ||
| And that seems to be his common modus operandi. | ||
| But you can't just continue to lie about people. | ||
| And this puts the lie to his claim that, oh, yeah, I was a liar, I lied, I lied, I lied. | ||
| But now suddenly I've decided I'm going to always tell the truth. | ||
| So what does he do? He tells a demonstrable lie about me, demonstrable, clearly. | ||
| He won't try to defend what he said. | ||
| He'll probably just say, look, I was angry and I'm sorry I did this. | ||
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That's just not good enough. Professor, last thing before we let you go. | |
| By the way, the book is Get Trump. | ||
| We'll also talk about it in the next segment after the professor leaves. | ||
| Professor, about going in and getting this thing dismissed, in a rational world of the rule of law, you could walk in with facts and get this thing dismissed before any of a circus trial, correct? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely correct. | ||
| And if his name was not Donald Trump, he'd get it dismissed even in New York. | ||
| And if the case were brought in cities other than New York, it would be dismissed. | ||
| It's only the fact that his name is Donald Trump, and it's Manhattan, and the case is just so transparent. | ||
| It's so made up. | ||
| Now, again, wait until we see the indictment. | ||
| Maybe there's a smoking gun. | ||
| But absent a smoking gun, absent real proof of a real crime, not a made-up crime, even the New York Times called it a creative crime. | ||
| You know, Thomas Jefferson once said that for Criminal Statute to be Constitutional, it has to be so clear that a reasonable person, if he reads the statute while running, imagine that image, he's reading the statute, he's running down the street, here he is reading, reading, reading, and running, and running, and running, and he has to be able to understand it. | ||
| Well, I'm going to read this indictment while sitting with 60 years of experience in criminal cases, and I doubt that I'll be able to understand it because It's not understandable. | ||
| You can't make a felony out of a non-misdemeanor the way they're trying to do. | ||
| And so I think any decent lawyer, and Trump has great lawyers, should be able to get this thing dismissed before it ever gets to trial. | ||
| My prediction? Judges in New York will not do that. | ||
| They don't want to go home to their home in Manhattan and have people point at them and say, that's the judge who made Donald Trump president of the United States. | ||
| He's at fault. | ||
| That's what people are going to be afraid of. | ||
| That's what jurors are going to be afraid of. | ||
| Why this trial cannot be conducted in the Borough of Manhattan. | ||
| I love Manhattan. I live part of the year in Manhattan. | ||
| I walk the streets of Manhattan. | ||
| My remaining friends, most of them live in Manhattan. | ||
| But boy, I would not want to be in front of a jury in Manhattan if they knew I had defended Donald Trump in front of the United States Senate. | ||
| Professor Dershowitz, how do people get to you? | ||
| We know how to get to the book. | ||
| We're going to put it back up. How do they get to you for your writings? | ||
| Well, the best thing is, of course, get the book on Amazon. | ||
| And then you see me on Substack. | ||
| I have a podcast Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday called The Dersh Show. | ||
| And, you know, I write at least one op-ed a week. | ||
| I'm on my 53rd book. | ||
| Somebody said, some librarian said, I have written more words than any Harvard professor in the history of the university. | ||
| Not necessarily better, but more. | ||
| So, you know, I write every day and you can read me every day. | ||
| Professor Dershowitz, honored to have you on here. | ||
| The book is Get Trump. | ||
| Let's get it now. Load up on Amazon or go to Skyhorse or Barnes& Noble. | ||
| Get Trump. | ||
| Professor Ershowitz, thank you. | ||
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This is your host, Stephen K. Bamm. | |
| Okay, welcome back. | ||
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| East Palestine. I want to now do more. | ||
| I was going to try to get time today, but it's just too jammed. | ||
| But I commit we're going to do it On Monday. | ||
| There's something deeply wrong in East Palestine. | ||
| They're the best people. | ||
| That's the salt of the earth out there. | ||
| I was as violently ill as I've ever been in my life when I got back from there. | ||
| My entire team is sick. | ||
| Now they're not as sick as I was, but from Captain Bannon to our great producing team, also security, everything, everybody out there is sick. | ||
| There's something deeply wrong. | ||
| Jeff Clark, we gotta help these people. | ||
| Get to the bottom of this, of what actually happened, who's responsible, and what's going to happen to sort things out and make this right because it is unacceptable what's happened out there. | ||
| Jeff, we're beginning to see it, and I love the fact you said the other day the DOJ's suit against Norfolk Southern is a little bit of covering fire because now the EPA Inspector General, and I think that is partly from the show and from other things we're putting up all the time, People in D.C. understand there's a big problem with what happened in East Palestine. | ||
| Is there any doubt in your mind about that, having worked inside the apparatus at the Justice Department in this area, sir? | ||
| No, Steve, and thanks for having me. | ||
| Clearly, bad decisions were made, and just the way in which the complaint, and I think you have it to show people, is written that the DOJ filed with EPA against Norfolk Southern shows that, because the government was on the ground, | ||
| which they make a big deal about when the decisions were made, but they pretend that they weren't involved in the decision to do the controlled burn, which is the real decision to Yeah, that's the press release that is up. | ||
| And the key paragraphs, I think, in the complaint are paragraphs 55 and 56, especially if you look at them together. | ||
| Paragraph 55 says that Norfolk Southern vented and burned the contents of the rail cars, right? | ||
| Talk about EPA authorizing that, EPA being consulted about it, and then paragraph 56 right after that goes on to say, well, we did modeling with an entity that's part of FEMA. Originally, the administration had denied that That's the Interagency Modeling and Atmospheric Assessment Center that's part of FEMA. Originally, they'd said FEMA didn't have anything to do with this. | ||
| Now the complaint itself from DOJ admits that they did. | ||
| So if they were involved in the modeling, how could they not have been involved in the decision to authorize the controlled burn, and yet the complaint's written as if it was just purely Norfolk Southern's decision and EPA didn't have anything to do with it? | ||
| If you contrast actually this new federal complaint filed by DOJ and EPA against Norfolk Southern with the one that was filed by the state of Ohio, Steve, there's actually a count in the state of Ohio one. | ||
| That goes after and argues that there was open dumping, and that's exactly what happened, right? | ||
| They vented the car to the trench, and then they set it on fire. | ||
| That's open dumping, which violated Ohio law. | ||
| We don't see that being focused on by the DOJ complaint, because that would mean that EPA was complicit in all of the environmental disastrous effects that are happening there, like made you and the team sick when you were out there Jeff Clark's cut to the heart of it. | ||
| This is all about dumping the chemicals out into the ditch, digging a ditch, preparing for it, knowing they were going to do it, dumping it out, and setting it on fire. | ||
| That's the heart of it right there. | ||
| With really no analysis, no care for what was going on, just to get it and get it done because they think of these people as trash. | ||
| We're making progress on getting this because you've got to get rectified there. | ||
| As part of what are we going to do? | ||
| What really got into the atmosphere? | ||
| Because what shocked me is this kind of haphazard, not really detailed, not giving people information about what's going on for soil reclamation, for the water. | ||
| You saw the Rube Goldberg thing they had in the creek. | ||
| For the air, and I can tell you, I very rarely get sick. | ||
| I got one time with COVID early on in the COVID situation right after the election around Thanksgiving of 2020, and then the day I got back from East Palestine and my entire team was sick. | ||
| There's something deeply wrong in East Palestine, Ohio, and the surrounding areas. | ||
| And we need to get that sorted. | ||
| Clark, how important is it for the voices in East Palestine to get in front of the Inspector General of EPA, sir? | ||
| So, Steve, I think just as you're pointing to, they need to get to the Inspector General and, you know, urge the Inspector General of EPA to really look hard into who made these decisions at EPA, how high did it go? | ||
| Was there negligence in how that was handled? | ||
| Was Michael Regan, the EPA administrator, a direct part of that? | ||
| Or was he out to lunch? | ||
| Whatever the facts are, the inspector general needs to probe into that. | ||
| And then second, Steve, you'll remember that early on, recognizing what a total cluster this was, that Josh Shapiro, Pennsylvania governor, said, well, I'm going to have a criminal investigation of this. | ||
| Well, I haven't heard anything about that since then. | ||
| And I think the people of East Palestine And others of your viewers and listeners, you know, should reach out to increase the pressure on him because he shouldn't be able to basically, you know, come out, sort of try to distance himself from the decisions that were made and say he's going to look at it criminally. | ||
| He gets a kind of media bump for that temporarily. | ||
| But then, you know, nothing actually happens. | ||
| I think, you know, his feet need to be held to the fire. | ||
| And I think the inspector general needs to hold the EPA administrator's feet to the fire. | ||
| And you think that this, if you get to the details here, this could raise to the level of criminal negligence, sir? | ||
| I think it could, Steve. | ||
| Obviously, there have been so many stories about who was responsible for what. | ||
| We heard initially that it was the National Guard that did this. | ||
| I think the DOJ-EPA complaint helps clear that up a little bit by talking about the Ohio National Guard being involved in the modeling. | ||
| Then we heard that the fire chief was in charge. | ||
| Then we heard that it was only Norfolk Southern. | ||
| And then we heard from the story that you and I both concluded to CNN was a kind of leak by Pete Buttigieg's people to throw the trail off of him and say, you know, that this was an EPA screw up. | ||
| So, you know, everyone's pointing fingers at everybody else in different directions. | ||
| And, you know, if the inspector general is fair, he should be able to sort through all of that and get the story out to the people of what actually happened. | ||
| Jeff Clark, how do people get to you? | ||
| You're doing great work over there with Ross Ford. | ||
| How do people get to you? So I'm at JeffClarkUS on Twitter and Getter and on RealJeffClark on Truth Social and the Center for Renewing America is at americarenewing, all one word, dot com. | ||
| Jeff Clark, thank you. Great work. | ||
| Thank you, sir. Let me go to Rome. | ||
| We've got Ben Harnwell. | ||
| Ben, you've got the headline from yesterday, China warns the EU to back off Macron and, of course, the president of the EU is heading to Beijing. | ||
| You've got the Austrian – we don't have time to play it, but the Austrian parliament – Essentially, the far-right group there, which has a huge share of the Austrian parliament, walks out on Zelensky's talk yesterday. | ||
| You've got increasing people flipping, including the French, behind the scenes with the UAE, flipping to use the Chinese yuan to get off the US dollar. | ||
| Right now, in how the Trump thing is being reported, where is Europe right now? | ||
| Since they're a vassal state for us because we underwrite their security, where do they stand right now in the beginning stages of this third world war, sir? | ||
| Largely as a bloc, if one can see Europe as a monolithic bloc, which it's not, but just to simplify, it's following as it has been for the last 15 months. | ||
| America's lead, for good or for bad. | ||
| That said, there are green shoots, if you will, starting to come through of dissents from a number of member states. | ||
| Whether this is following a changing political dynamic on the ground and that people are increasingly impatient with the war and they want to see both parties at the negotiating table, or whether it's more due to the fact that the money simply isn't around and the European economy over the next 12 months is projected to nosedive, as is, of course, that of the United States. | ||
| Whether that is a form of realism that is impacting certain member states' dynamics. | ||
| What is absolutely certain is that two months ago at the Sanremo music festival, Zelensky wasn't invited to give his spiel. | ||
| For an American audience, that's basically like the Italian Oscars. | ||
| That said, not even at the Oscars was Zelensky invited to speak. | ||
| As you were mentioning in your introduction, 30, I clearly call them far right. | ||
| I personally don't think the FPO, the Austrian Freedom Party, is far right. | ||
| That is what the press, that's the typical scare term, adjective to describe them. | ||
| I use that as a term of endearment, but continue on. | ||
| Yeah, okay. It's basically where the European People's Party would have been, I don't know, 30, 40 years ago before the EPP embraced socialism. | ||
| Like the AFD, our friends, the AFD in Germany, Steve, it's a party that's very close to the grassroots and that is reflected in its policy positions. | ||
| I've not seen since this war started anything quite so definitive or stark. | ||
| As a group of 30 members of parliament in a sitting legislature, get up, stand up in the middle of a speech and walk out in protest and opposition, which is what they did to Volodymyr Zelensky when he was addressing The Austrian Parliament, that is really a new low watermark of European impatience with this war. | ||
| They said that what Zelensky was asking for impinged on Austria's neutrality. | ||
| Now, going over the border, if I may, just the Austrian border into Switzerland, there is a hero, I would think, on a par with Viktor Orban. | ||
| And this is the Swiss president, Alain Berset. | ||
| He might not be a household name in America. | ||
| I don't think he's probably even a household name in Switzerland. | ||
| Traditionally, the Swiss president tends to keep a very low profile. | ||
| But he said a couple of days ago that Swiss weapons must not be used in wars. | ||
| Citing the Swiss War Material Act, Which bans the re-export of arms to recipient countries in international armed conflicts. | ||
| He basically said, and I quote, protection of humanitarian and human rights law and the Geneva Conventions may sound passé to some, but it is more important than ever. | ||
| And it would be extremely dangerous to throw these fundamental principles overboard now. | ||
| The context of that, Steve, is that Switzerland is coming under massive international pressure, also from the United States, obviously, to grant a derogation to this ban on exporting Swiss-made to countries that are currently in war. | ||
| And Switzerland is actually digging down, again, on the argument of neutrality. | ||
| That might be, in the European context, how the member states, the European Union member states, shoehorn themselves out of this road with no apparent exit. | ||
| Ben, can you hang up one second? | ||
| I was going to put the last block with Lara Logan's amazing interview with us last night, but it's actually longer than the block, so I'm going to do that on Monday. | ||
| Lara was here last night. | ||
| She had not given an interview, I think, a month, a month and a half, and just was extraordinary in her summary of where we are. | ||
| So we've got more of Ben Harnwell. | ||
| We'll take a short break. Ben Harnwell on the other side in the last segment of the first day of the second quarter of 2023 in the boardroom. | ||
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| I mean, couldn't be clearer. Ben Harnwell, one of the central parts here is the debt ceiling. | ||
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| I talk about this debt ceiling. | ||
| And let me tell you, we're a long way from making this happen, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| I can tell you, the Republicans over in the House have already blinked on doing a budget. | ||
| They've blinked. We'll get into more in that details next week. | ||
| To me, that has to happen. | ||
| You have to do that. You have to show now that you can make these cuts without touching Social Security and Medicare. | ||
| You can do it by Medicaid and defense spending. | ||
| You can. And defense has got to be cut. | ||
| One of the ways you cut defense spending and still take down the CCP is focused on non-kinetic ways to do that. | ||
| You bring back these obligations. | ||
| One of the central reasons is this war in Ukraine. | ||
| Ben Harnwell, are you seeing a shift over there that these nations start to realize their economic situations like in France? | ||
| People are in the streets because obviously they no longer can pay for the earlier retirements they have in the United States. | ||
| I think they're trying to take it up to 62 to 64. | ||
| They're in the streets fighting with Macron right now. | ||
| He's heading to China. | ||
| Do people understand the reality of the economic situation over there and why this Ukraine war? | ||
| Are you just pumping billions of dollars, tens of billions, hundreds of billions into a charnel house between two Slavic entities, sir? | ||
| Well, if there are people in France who see the economic reality of things, they're probably not the people who are rioting and protesting to defend their rights. | ||
| To retire at 62. | ||
| I tell you who does probably understand the reality of things, not just in France, but in the European Union in general, and that's Emmanuel Macron himself. | ||
| I know we give him a bit of stick on the war room, you know, because he's small, he's got a Napoleon complex, and he married his mother. | ||
| But he broadly, I would say, if you consider the guy totally as a Frenchman, his instinct, I think, It is more or less the best one can hope for out of France. | ||
| It is interesting that he is going, that he is the head of state who's going with Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Commission, to China between the 4th and 8th of April to discuss the Ukraine war. | ||
| It's pretty unusual. I can't remember the last time The president of the European Commission made an overseas journey and took only one other head of state with her, or even took a head of state with her. | ||
| And if you want a crazy Harnwell prediction as to what's going on here, there are going to be some changes in the European Union. | ||
| Largely because Jens Stoltenberg has refused an extension, says he doesn't want one, to his mandate as Secretary General of NATO. So he'll be leaving. | ||
| I think he's going to the Central Bank of Norway, which was sort of delayed now, will have been delayed for two years, autumn this year. | ||
| And there is talk of Ursula von der Leyen stepping in and replacing him. | ||
| Her term would come to an end. | ||
| Anyway, in 2024. | ||
| Why do I highlight the fact that Emmanuel Macron is going with von der Leyen to China? | ||
| Well, you know, he escaped by the skin of his teeth in the confidence vote on French pension reform last week. | ||
| This is his second mandate. | ||
| It would be unusual, but if Ursula von der Leyen is going to cut short her term as president of the European Commission, I wouldn't see it as unfeasible, as unseeable as Macron calling it quits in France and going over to To be president of the European Commission. | ||
| The interest, the importance of this, Steve, with regards to the war in Ukraine, is that Macron is probably the leader who is 100 % pro-European, who is most skeptical towards the US military-industrial complex and most open to serious negotiations with Putin. | ||
| That's the background to these dynamics. | ||
| Ben, we get... We have to bounce. | ||
| How can people get you over the weekend before we get you back on here Monday? | ||
| Thanks, Steve. It's simply my surname on Getter, at Hanwell. | ||
| That's who I am. And I've posted some interesting things over the last few days if folks want to get on there and check it out. | ||
| Yes. Perfect. | ||
| Okay, thanks. East Palestine, we couldn't hook up. | ||
| There's going to be a protest out there today. | ||
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| We're going to be back Monday. | ||
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| Love to hear your comments, your observations. | ||
| We'll be back here Monday live. | ||
| You've been in the war room. | ||
| Big weekend ahead of us. | ||
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