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April 1, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 2629: Whistleblower In Arizona Expose The Fraud
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andy biggs
08:31
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kari lake
09:26
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steve bannon
15:59
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boris epshteyn
02:59
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crom carmichael
02:27
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darren j beattie
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jeffrey clark
03:27
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nicolle wallace
01:17
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jake tapper
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steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
unidentified
Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon
I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
nicolle wallace
And there's this outrageous tweet by a U.S. senator, top Trump ally, Senator Lindsey Graham, who on the night of January 6 said he was done with Donald Trump.
Remember that? He said, it's fun, but I'm done.
So last night, or today, he tweeted this, quote, How can President Trump avoid prosecution in New York?
On the way to the DA's office on Tuesday, Trump should smash some windows, rob a few shops, and punch a cop.
He would be released immediately, end quote.
Lindsey Graham wrote that.
And there's also loser Carrie Lake with another tweet she can submit for her VP audition.
It says this, quote, I don't know about you, but I have never supported Donald Trump more than I do at this moment.
Charlie Sykes, this is such horse you-know-what.
They hadn't waned.
I mean, to suggest that they're now, what is the moon with getting bigger?
Waxing because they'd waned is horse poop.
I mean, they were all behind him.
DeSantis is down 20 points in most polls.
The notion that they're going to try to rattle Democrats by saying, oh, we were going to walk away and now we're not, is absolute lunacy, especially from the likes of Lindsey Graham and Carrie Lake.
unidentified
Yeah, I think it's fair to say that Lindsey Graham is going through some things.
I mean, that terrible plea for money was extraordinary, even for Lindsey Graham.
And then putting out those tweets suggesting that Donald Trump should behave like Antifa or something.
I think maybe it's a time for an intervention.
But have you noticed that there is a kind of a thread among some of the pro-Trump and the anti-anti-Trump folks on the right that you people are going to make us do this?
You liberals, you never-Trumpers and prosecutors, you're responsible for this.
You're going to make us nominate and support Donald Trump again as if they have no agency, as if it is not, you know, their votes that are going to put him back in the nomination.
steve bannon
Remember, oftentimes it hurts us as much as it hurts you to have to listen to it.
Friday, 31 March, year of our alert, 2023.
This is the last show of the first quarter of a historic year.
We're going to start the two hours with Carrie Lake of Arizona.
We're going to finish the two hours in the 6 o'clock hour with Laura Logan of Texas.
That's pretty good bookends, and in between, this show is going to get pretty wild.
Carrie Lake... All the noise, sturm und drang about New York, we understand it's illegal.
We know exactly what they're doing.
We know how they're going to do it.
We know why they're doing it.
But I want to talk about what is important and meaningful.
Tell me what's happened in Arizona today because they want to distract us from everything that's important and going on.
By going after President Trump.
We know President Trump's going to win the primary.
We know President Trump's going to win the nomination.
And President Trump's going to get back in the White House.
Carrie Lake has never faltered on that one nanosecond.
But tell me what happened under the cover of all this and the media coverage.
A big bombshell coming out of Maricopa County.
kari lake
What is it, man? Well, it's all interconnected, isn't it?
I mean, they don't want to talk about what's happening.
They want people to think that the election interference, the election cheating, it's not true.
They want people to think that.
So they're concentrating over here.
Look at this shiny object and they're concentrating on this bogus indictment.
of President Trump as a distraction to not talk about some of the really big things that are happening.
We know that that's not going to stick with President Trump.
We know it's just part of the witch hunt, you know, that they're just trying to bring this guy down.
And let me tell you, if Joe Biden really had 81 million votes, they wouldn't need to be doing this with President Trump, okay?
And what's happening in Maricopa County is our Arizona Supreme Court has allowed the smoking gun part of our lawsuit, the signature verification part, because we know the signatures don't match.
These mail-in ballots, hundreds of thousands are just bogus, fraudulent ballots.
And so the Supreme Court has said, hey, to the lower court, you've got to take this back up.
Well, we filed a request for public information to get our hands on those envelopes with the signatures on them, and we have been denied.
This is outrageous.
They sent us a letter saying that.
I'm going to look at my quote here.
They said it's, It's for the interest, the best interest of the people of Arizona that we don't release this information.
Our elections are a joke.
Signature verification is a sham.
And frankly, Stephen Richer and those folks down at Maricopa County, by denying to give us this evidence, have proved what we've been saying all along.
The signatures don't match.
And they want to prevent us from finding that out.
But they just, in my opinion, proved that by denying us access to those signatures.
steve bannon
They know they don't match. They 1000 % proved it.
Look, for the machine guys, I love you.
You always know I've not been a machine guy, although I do buy into Mike Lindell's.
We've got to get rid of the machines.
But if we had the ruling in any court that Carrie Lake got in Arizona about the signature verifications, Trump is in the White House.
Georgia, Pennsylvania, they both come right back into his category, right back into his category in Arizona.
If we had got in any court Trump's president, we know he won.
This is the key. This was the biggest bombshell coming here at Carrie Lakes.
The smoking-est gun they've got that we can quickly prove is the signature verifications on these phony mail-in ballots.
Is that not correct, Carrie Lakes?
kari lake
That's absolutely true.
And that's why they denied it to us in the lower court.
And that's why the Supreme Court said, hey, you got to take this up.
You denied it for the wrong reasons.
And you've got to look at this again.
And when we sent that letter to Stephen Richer, the guy who runs the most corrupt elections, I believe, in the country, and they denied us access to that evidence, to me, it just showed how guilty they are.
And they're not going to stop us.
We're not stopping at this.
And if Stephen Richer's listening, he's probably in the fetal position.
We are not stopping.
We are going to uncover the crimes committed.
We are going to reform our elections and have fair elections in this country.
You know, think about signatures.
Think about John Hancock's signature.
We always say, you know, the phrase, sign your John Hancock here.
He signed that signature, his beautiful signature, so loud and so large because he wanted King George to see it as basically a middle finger to King George, like, just try to stop us.
We're seeing how our signatures are what goes on these mail-in ballots, the only security we have on a mail-in ballot, and they don't want us to look at it.
We are going to make sure our signatures match, and those that don't match need to be thrown out.
Steve, we had three whistleblowers come forward and find out more are coming out right now, who said this whole system is a sham and it's a joke.
The signatures don't match.
They were pushing them through anyway.
They were even pushing envelopes with no signatures through and counting them.
as valid ballots.
And this is all tied to the 2000 mules where they're putting those phony ballots into the drop boxes.
It's all interconnected.
And it all started with COVID. They had to bring COVID on to bring the drop boxes to push the mail-in ballots because you know why?
They couldn't beat Donald J. Trump.
Americans love him.
They love his policies.
They know that he's the only thing standing between us And these really diabolical people who want to destroy this country.
And we've got a whole bunch of Americans standing up right now.
And we are not letting them destroy this country.
steve bannon
Kerry, hang on for one second.
I'm going to bring Boris in because he's stepped out of a meeting.
But when I come back, I want to ask you, what do they mean by the best interest of the citizens of Arizona?
We have an illegitimate governor.
They know that. Everybody knows that.
Just hang on one second. Boris Epstein, I know you stepped out.
Boris, walk us through, because the media has given us all kind of false narrative out there about what's happening.
I want to hear it straight from you.
What is going on?
What are the preparations for President Trump going up there?
And how do we avoid it becoming a circus?
Because we don't want this to distract.
Trump's up 30 points on DeSantis in leading Biden because he's focused on policy.
His policy's videos have been amazing to separate him out from a neoliberal neocon like DeSantis and from Biden.
So walk us through what's going to happen, sir.
boris epshteyn
Steve, I'm going to be with you.
I'm going to be with the posse. And you're totally right.
This whole endeavor, this whole charade is meant to distract the American people from a very simple, very direct fact that President Trump is the only one To make America great again, which is not just a slogan.
It is not. It is a marching order.
And he's the only one to save our country, which is an absolute disaster.
So, here's the bottom line.
The radical vote paid for and bought by Soros, Manhattan DA, has now decided to persecute President Trump, to weaponize law enforcement against President Trump.
And as the president has said, to conduct their new attempt in election interference, the new tool in their toolbox of election interference is law enforcement targeting.
And that's what's happening. Over 11 million documents have been reviewed over almost 10 years, and there's absolutely no error, no misdemeanor, no crime, no case.
And DA Bragg knows it.
Everyone knows it. And that's why there's been such a widespread outpouring of support and rallying behind President Donald J. Trump.
steve bannon
President Trump understands that they came up with COVID, the CCP bioweapon, in 2020 to steal the election because he won and everybody knows he's a legitimate president.
Are you saying now that this is what all these grand juries are about?
They know you can't stop the momentum he's got.
The only way you're going to stop him is try to put him in jail, sir?
boris epshteyn
That's absolutely right, Steve.
If you look all around the country, President Trump is up by 40, 50 points all across America.
And all these woke radicals can do, can think of, to stop them, is to bring phony charges, is to conduct phony investigations.
And if you look all across the country, from Georgia to New York AG, to this nonsense with the Manhattan DA, and of course what's going on in D.C. with the quote-unquote special prosecutor, these are all absolute hoaxes.
That's not a metaphor. That's a direct description of what these QUOTE UNQUOTE INVESTIGATIONS ARE PRESIDENT TRUMP DID ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING RIGHT ON EVERY SINGLE FRONT. HE'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, TO STAND FOR AMERICA,
AND WILL BATTLE BACK AND WILL BE VICTORIOUS OVER EACH ONE OF THESE WITCH HUNTS, JUST AS HE WAS OVER RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, UKRAINE, UKRAINE, UKRAINE, BOTH IMPEACHMENT HOAXES, THE FAKE MULLER INVESTIGATION, THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL RAID ON MAR-A-LAGO. PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL CONTINUE Beating the woke radical Democrats and winning for America.
steve bannon
Last thing, before I let you go, I know you got to bounce.
Carrie Lake, we're going to go back to her.
We're in this fight in Maricopa County over signature verification.
Is it true, sir, that if we had courts rule like they did for Carrie Lake to get in and check signature verifications in places like Pennsylvania, Georgia, and other places, that there would be no question Donald Trump would be at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue today?
boris epshteyn
The 2020 election seat was rigged and stolen, and it was rigged and stolen in an old-school way.
They flooded the ballots and gutted the checks.
They also did it with this collusion between law enforcement and social media to keep under wraps the census stories like the Hunter Biden laptop from hell.
The 2020 election was rigged and stolen.
We cannot let another election be stolen.
Joe Biden is absolutely illegitimate, no doubt about it.
steve bannon
Boris, how do people get to you on social media now more than ever?
Let me say one more thing even clearer.
boris epshteyn
President Trump won in 2016, President Trump won in 2020, and President Trump will be victorious again for the American people in 2024.
steve bannon
No doubt.
How do people follow you on social media, Boris?
boris epshteyn
Thank you, Steve. My information, the website is hotborrscp.com.
Hot on borrscp.com.
Sign up right now. Hot on get at borrscp.
Twitter at borrscp. Hot on true social at borrscp.
And the hottest on the gram, borrsc.
Stay strong, God bless, and Shabbat Shalom.
steve bannon
Thank you, Boris.
Look forward to talking to you over the weekend.
Carrie, the question to you, we'd love you to stay through the break.
What do they mean when they say for the good and the best interests of the citizens of Arizona?
I'm totally confused by that, ma'am.
We have an illegitimate governor pretending to be the leader of the state, ma'am.
kari lake
I think the best interest is for people like, it's in the best interest for Stephen Richer and Bill Gates and the people behind this fraudulent election, this stolen election.
It's in the best interest for the status quo who doesn't want to be found out.
It's in the best interest of preventing these criminals from being targeted and pointed out.
We want justice in our elections.
I was just out today Everywhere I went, I had probably a dozen people come up to me and some of them whispered it.
Thank you for fighting this fraud in our elections.
We're praying for you.
We've got to win this. They're taking our state away from us.
They're taking our country away.
The people are with us and they know they have to cheat in these elections because they can't win with their terrible candidates.
And we'll get back into the ways they're going to try to cheat in the future if we don't stop it now.
steve bannon
Kerry, if you can just hang up for one second.
Short commercial break. Kerry Lake on the other side.
Darren Beattie. Another blockbuster decision by a court today.
The guy that did memes about Hillary Clinton in 2016, he got convicted today of felonies.
All next in the War Room.
unidentified
We will fight till they're all gone.
We rejoice when there's no more.
Let's take down the CCP. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
steve bannon
Okay, we have some breaking news.
Let's get Darren Beattie in from Revolver.
Darren, this is almost hard to fathom.
The guy, McKay, was found guilty on this meme case?
darren j beattie
Yes. No, we've been covering this case for a long time and on this show, we have crossed the Rubicon and stepped into the gulag.
This is not a joke.
It's not a drill. A young man has just been convicted of a felony.
For posting memes mocking Hillary Clinton.
I discussed this on your show and I said this is the Biden DOJ's attempt to codify the disinformation scam into criminal law.
And that's exactly what you're seeing here.
It's absolutely incredible.
I'm shocked. I'm a very cynical person.
I'm shocked and it's Just very scary.
What the Kyle Rittenhouse trial was for the Second Amendment, the Doug Mackey meme trial is for the First Amendment.
There is no more important First Amendment case in the country.
And make no mistake, there's going to be an appeal on this.
I've been in touch with Mackey's lawyers.
There's going to be an appeal on this.
This is going up to the Supreme Court if necessary.
steve bannon
It's shocking. This is absolutely shocking they brought the case, but even more shocking than a jury found him guilty.
Darren, how can people get to Revolver right now to find out more about this?
We know you guys are all over it.
darren j beattie
Go to revolver.news at the very top to read about these latest developments.
And if you want to help this young guy out, you can go to memedefensefund.com.
This is very, very dangerous and uncharted territory that we're in right now.
steve bannon
As Darren Beattie says, we've crossed the Rubicon with the New York DA, and now we're stepping into the Gulag.
Darren Beattie, thank you very much.
Thank you. Kerry Lake, didn't the Supreme Court of Arizona give us an out from stepping into the Gulag?
They specifically... focused on the signature verification.
They specifically focused.
How can the administrative unit of Maricopa County go against the Supreme Court and quite frankly go against the people who want to find out who's the actual legitimate governor of the state of Arizona, ma'am?
kari lake
Well, the people already know who the legitimate governor is.
And you're looking at her, Steve.
The people want relief from that.
They know that Katie Hobbs is a fraud.
And they say, how do we get these frauds out of office?
We didn't vote them in. They lost.
And yet they're sitting at the top of our government.
And this is why we're fighting this.
And you're right. The Arizona Supreme Court sent the signature verification part of our case back to the lower court.
And now we know how they're going to try to fight it.
The folks who ran that fraudulent just completely illegitimate election are now going to say, you can't have access to the evidence you need for your case.
But don't forget, we have whistleblowers.
Several of them and more are coming forward.
And we're going to have testimony and we will fight this case.
And I hope that we'll find some justice in the justice system.
But who knows? I mean, look how we're finding out in the past several years How corruption has seeped into every single institution in our country.
I mean, our First Amendment has been destroyed with a case like what Mr.
Beatty was just talking about with a meme.
They're trying to make people afraid to speak out, use humor, send memes.
People are afraid to even use their First Amendment rights right now, Steve.
People are afraid to protest.
At a time when we should be protesting, people are afraid to stand up and protest right now.
This country is faltering and is on the way to crumbling if we don't stand up and use our rights immediately.
And I pray that we get some decent rulings here out of the courts.
We'll see what happens.
We're going to take it to the United States Supreme Court.
I believe the U.S. Supreme Court is ready for an election case, and perhaps ours is just the case they need to see.
But we're not going to stop.
If they think we're quitting and we're going to walk away from this fight, we will never, let me repeat, we will never walk away from this fight.
We're going to save this country.
We're not going to let these corrupt individuals.
And they're not just in the Democrat Party.
I hear a lot of people saying the radical left.
There's a lot of radical rhinos who are coming after our country and coming after the people who are trying to save our Constitution.
And there's a lot of rhinos who are coming after President Trump.
Let me remind you, it was the rhinos who cheated in Maricopa County and sabotaged Election Day to stop America First candidates such as myself and others.
It's on both sides of this party.
It's a corrupt system and that's why America First is the only way out of the mess these political elite have gotten us into.
steve bannon
Is there any remedy for Maricopa County to this decision?
Any remedy to go back?
Is there any venue at all that you want to sue to make sure Maricopa County lets you review?
What's going to take place there?
kari lake
Yes, we are going to sue to get this evidence.
We are going to sue.
Our attorneys are working on that right now.
Shouldn't be that hard.
They're trying to drag their feet and trying to stop us thinking that eventually we'll just throw up our hands and say forget about it, but we're not going to do that.
We will get our hands on the evidence and we have, as I said, many people who know exactly how this sham works.
of a process called Signature Verification Works.
You know, they can't win by just putting forth ideas because their ideas are decrepit and dead end.
So they have to look what they did to stop President Trump and stop us from saving our country.
They actually unleashed COVID. They brought us election month instead of election day.
They got rid of precinct voting.
They moved us into these huge vote centers which are ripe for fraud.
They threw in millions of extra mail-in ballots.
They count for two weeks afterwards.
They censored us.
They are unleashing now the judicial system, the corrupt judicial system against us by persecuting us.
This is a time, folks, to stand up and use your voice and speak out because we're on the verge of losing this country.
steve bannon
Kerry, how do people find out more about what's going on with you and your fight to claim the rightful winner of the governorship in Arizona, ma'am?
kari lake
They can go to karylake.com, K-A-R-I-L-A-K-E.com.
They can find me on Twitter, Getter, Truth, and all of the social media.
Prayers are appreciated right now.
We've got to pray for President Trump.
We have to fight alongside him because we're in really dark times in our country.
And I know your posse understands that, Steve.
We've got to wake up some of our friends who are not quite getting it and realize that there is no substitute for Donald Trump.
You're not going to find it in Ron DeSantis.
You're not going to find it in any of these other candidates.
We've got to have him win and take back control of our country so that we can get on a solid footing on the world stage.
We can prevent this steady march into World War III, turn our economy around, and get this country moving forward once again.
steve bannon
Kerry Lake, honored to have you on here.
We'll look forward to seeing the developments out there in the corrupt Maricopa County.
It's shocking. Thank you, man. Jeff Clark, I've got to talk to you about the Department of Justice actually suing Norfolk Southern in East Palestine, Ohio, about that entire situation.
But give me your overview of what you've seen here in the last 24, 48 hours of the Justice Department, New York AG, the entire legal process being brought to bear to stop Trump, election interference to stop President Trump from winning back the White House.
jeffrey clark
Sure, Steve. So let me actually start with something quickly on Doug Mackey.
If you didn't know it, that case was brought by Seth Ducharme, who was the acting US attorney in the Eastern District of New York.
He was handpicked by Barr to go take over that in the late days of the Trump administration.
So he didn't bring that case against Mackey until seven days after Biden Or so after Biden was inaugurated.
But he was a bar pick.
He brought that ridiculous case.
I mean, that case is just shameful.
And if you didn't know it, Seth Ducharme, what's he currently doing, Steve?
This will blow you away if no one's made this connection yet.
He's representing Charles McGonigal, the Russian spy who was the head of counterintelligence for the FBI in New York.
There's just so many suspicious coincidences and various things that have happened.
But I share Darren's shock that Mackey was convicted.
It's crazy. He was joking.
steve bannon
Talk to me about this latest development out of DOJ, at least in going after Norfolk Southern.
Was this expected? What's the details of this?
Because very little has come out except for the fact they're going to sue Norfolk Southern.
jeffrey clark
Steve, I read the complaint which has come out and they had a press release about it.
I think the bottom line for your viewers and listeners is that it's a kind of CYA maneuver at two levels.
First, I think that after the Inspector General was announced to be looking into the EPA's handling of this contamination and controlled burn and a whole nexus of decisions there after the derailment, You know, it doesn't seem so coincidental that magically a case appears a few days later.
So I think it lets Michael Regan at EPA say, you know, hey, I've sued now.
What else do you want from me?
And then second, I think that it is CYA at a second issue, second level, that'll probably be particularly important to you.
I think the key paragraphs of the complaint, and you can find this on EPA's, I'm sorry, on DOJ's website, are paragraphs 47 through 57.
The key part is when they talk about the decision of the controlled burn.
They simply say in paragraph 55 that Norfolk Southern vented and burned the contents of five rail cars containing vinyl chloride in a flare trench on February 6th in order to prevent an explosion.
But there's no indication that EPA told them to do that, that EPA agreed to do that.
It's just obfuscating it or trying to point the finger exclusively at Norfolk Southern, and I'm sure Probably in response to this lawsuit, Norfolk Southern is going to explain more about how that decision actually came to be.
Paragraph 56 is also very important, Steve, based on what was said about FEMA throughout this crisis.
That paragraph says, Prior to venting and burning, the evacuation area was increased to a one-mile by two-mile area based on plume modeling conducted by the Interagency Modeling and Atmospheric Assessment Center, And the Ohio National Guard 52nd Civil Support Team.
So first of all, that clears up the mystery from our early days about why the National Guard was involved.
But most folks probably wouldn't know it, but the Interagency Modeling and Atmospheric Assessment Center is actually part of FEMA. So you remember that early in the crisis, the Biden administration was saying, FEMA doesn't have anything to do with this.
But that's also turned out to be entirely incorrect.
steve bannon
Jeff, what's your social media?
How people get to you? We're trying to get you back on tomorrow.
I want to drill down on this. How do people follow you?
jeffrey clark
Sure. So I'm JeffClarkUS on Getter and Twitter and RealJeffClark at TruthSocial and our organization is AmericaRenewing.com, Steve.
steve bannon
You guys are the best.
Jeff Clark. We're going to drill down more on East Palestine on tomorrow's show.
Andy Biggs with The Great State of Earth.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
steve bannon
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Congressman Biggs, you know a lot.
You were a prosecutor, you're a defense lawyer, a lot about these types of situations.
We've made a pledge here in the war room not to spend too much time on this because they're trying to distract us from the fights we have, like these huge fights you're going to have coming up in the House on border security, on the debt ceiling.
These things are right after the Easter recess are going to be huge.
But just explain to our audience How bogus this thing out of New York City is, sir?
andy biggs
Yeah, Steve, it's bogus on a number of levels.
First of all, we're talking about misdemeanors, and these are offenses in New York City themselves that are rarely prosecuted, and if they are, they're treated exactly as they're supposed to be misdemeanors.
That's where what they're saying is that somebody entered something wrong, and they're basically in their checkbook, in their accounting.
And when you do that, in New York, for whatever reason, that becomes a misdemeanor offense.
But in order to get through the grand jury as a felony, under New York law, you've got to bootstrap it with an additional crime.
So what they've done is they're bootstrapping to a federal election.
They're saying this should have been, he entered it here on these lines that were inappropriate, and he should have declared it as a federal election's expenditure or an in-kind donation, I guess.
So when you get those together, that's called bootstrapping.
They're trying to bootstrap this into a felony.
unidentified
It's really, really weak.
andy biggs
You know it's weak when the Washington Post tells you it's weak, and that's what's happened here.
The other thing, too, is the leak is that President Trump's going to be charged For 34 counts.
Now, what I'm suggesting, I haven't seen it, I'm suggesting probably the case is they've taken every entry that's a mistake and they've called that a different count.
That's what a lot of prosecutors do.
They want to overcharge so they can intimidate And in this instance, they don't want to just intimidate President Trump.
They want to try to intimidate the world.
But they also are trying to embarrass President Trump.
And they're doing this for political purposes.
And I think all those things together kind of show the political motivation and intent.
And we aren't even getting into Bragg's campaign promises or those who funded his campaign, etc.
This guy is bad.
steve bannon
Is this election interference?
He's 20 or 30 parts up on his closest rival in the primary.
He's got 52 to 55 percent of the primary vote right now about all the national polling.
He's even or up on Biden in virtually every poll.
Is this election interference by the New York AG in the 2024 presidential election, sir?
andy biggs
Yeah, it is. I mean, when you think about it, they're trying to suppress the momentum that President Trump already has.
And more than just the momentum that President Trump has, they're trying to distract us from the lack of momentum or the slide in the Biden camp and the Biden administration, their policies.
So you have They've weaponized everything.
So they got ATF going after Second Amendment.
Americans don't like that.
They're trying to promote a radical transgender movement.
Americans don't like that.
They have let the border wide open.
Americans don't like that. They've got fentanyl coming in with over 100,000 people dying of opioid overdoses last year, most of them by mistake.
Americans don't like that.
You got crime in big cities.
You've got You see the rise of China as a hegemon.
You see Brazil entering into a dollar, a RIMBY arrangement with China.
Guess what, Steve? Americans see all this stuff and they feel it, and that's not even getting to the prices at the gas pump, your food prices, or any of the inflation or economic problems.
So for two ways, this is an election interference play.
Number one, they're trying to tarnish President Trump.
And number two, they're trying to distract Americans from what Americans really care about.
steve bannon
Congressman Biggs, you've been at the forefront of impeaching Joe Biden.
You've been at the forefront of border security with no happy talk, but real border security to secure the border.
You've been at the forefront of not another penny in the debt ceiling.
We've got to have big cuts in domestic spending.
You were at the forefront of the leaders that actually made tremendous changes in the House in the first week.
Of January of this year.
Where do we stand? You're going on recess.
You guys just started recess. You're not back until the week after Easter.
The schedule looks insane.
You've got the border security bill.
Now they're not going to put a budget in the debts.
They're going to try to go a different way. Please tell our audience going into the Easter season that we're on track to get this stuff done, sir.
andy biggs
Yeah, I think we are, Steve.
I think we've made progress on the border security bills.
There's eight of those bills coming out of the judiciary.
I'm told we're going to get those out and on the floor by May.
The debt ceiling issue, I keep pushing and pushing, and we've got some senators now that are with us, and a lot of my colleagues are there.
And the letter that McCarthy wrote to Biden It had at least a portion of the framework the Freedom Caucus and myself and others put out six weeks ago.
The point I guess I'm trying to make is we're seeing some movement.
I think we all would like it to go faster.
I'm frustrated that it hasn't gone any faster, but let's just be honest.
It is at least moving in the right direction at least today.
Now, that doesn't mean it's not going to be dammed up You know, by the 1st of May.
But right now, we're told that we're gonna get those immigration bills on the floor.
Not immigration. Let's never conflate that with border security.
We're gonna get those border security bills on the floor by mid-May, and we're gonna have, hopefully, debt ceiling stuff up right around the same time.
And when we go to debt ceiling, Steve, it needs to include clawbacks and rescissions so that we have a chance to push the debt ceiling out.
So if you can get $500 or $600 billion In clawbacks and rescissions, then you don't have to do a debt ceiling lift until after the fiscal year ends.
And that gives you another five or six months to find more ways to avoid a debt ceiling lift.
steve bannon
And you know how that works. I want everybody to understand the nomenclature here because this is an important point.
It's one of the reasons we want to have you on. The clawbacks about things are already passed, like a lot of this Biden spending on whether infrastructure, a lot of these other things.
The American Recovery Act has not been spent.
You guys want callbacks of that money to say, no way, we're not going to spend it.
That gives us a cushion on what the Treasury is saying is we're going to run out of cash, correct?
andy biggs
That's exactly right, Steve.
And there's a whole lot of ways to skin that cat, but not the least of which is to get a tax, say the Green New Deal tax credits and subsidies.
Which we had scored it in our plan at $350 billion, but I was told this week the number's closer to a little over $500 billion.
Let's say you got that back.
Steve, at the rate of our monthly deficit, that's five months you just bought.
And let's say that you actually get the IRS. That's another month that you've saved.
And so you could push that out six months.
Let's say you can get some of that money back on the student loan debt repayment.
In other areas, how about the money that we've got sitting just lying there in the COVID relief money that hasn't been spent?
Which, by the way, as soon as we introduced our plan, they started spending that as fast as they could, Steve.
So that's another $100 billion.
You have a chance to actually move that needle from $700 billion to even over a trillion dollars if you're relentless, you're focused, and you actually do this.
steve bannon
Do you think we got enough relentless up there right now to get this done, this aspect of it?
andy biggs
I don't mean to laugh about it, Steve, but no.
I mean, I don't want to be, you know me, I'm never going to blow smoke up your nose, but the reality is there's a lot of people that don't want to face that.
But I will tell you this, in some of the meetings that I've had with people, not in my group, not in my echo chamber in Congress, they all agree.
I mean, I'm asking for line-item budgeting.
I'm asking for zero-based budgeting.
I'm asking for the rescissions.
I'm asking for going through and actually holding, instead of giving states new money, find out how much money they have, which we suspect it's in the $150 billion range, and just say, we're going to allow you to use that instead of us giving you new money in the coming year, you're going to use that as money.
So that'll save you another month and a half or two.
steve bannon
Last thing, the border security bill.
With this border security bill that comes up in May, will it have Andy Biggs' stamp of approval, sir?
andy biggs
I'll let you know, Steve.
I know that they're fiddling around with a couple of the bills.
There's eight bills altogether, and one of them or two of them seem to be an issue for some folks.
I need to see what it is they're trying to do.
But I think we've overcome some of the big hurdles.
And I think, Steve, and I'll let you know, as for now, I am hopeful that even myself and those who really want true border security, people like Chip Roy, Bob Good, Rosendale, the gang of people who really want Gates, Marjorie, Boebert, Perry, all of us who really want real border security, I'm hopeful that we can get something that we can work on and get that out of the house by mid-May.
You know, so far this leadership has kind of excluded me from those talks, but that's okay because I'm getting reports.
And I just told him, I said, if you don't want me in there, that's fine.
That's up to you. But guess what?
If it doesn't secure the border, then I won't support it.
steve bannon
It's just that simple. And if you don't support it, MAG is not going to support it.
Congressman Biggs, how do people get to you on social media, particularly over the Easter break so we can keep up to date on everything that's going on?
andy biggs
Official is Biggs.house.gov.
You can go to Twitter or Truth at RepAndyBiggsAZ.
And you can check us out on Rumble, YouTube, everything.
We're trying to be as open and transparent as we possibly can, Steve.
steve bannon
Congressman Biggs, thank you very much for being on here and being so straightforward.
andy biggs
Thanks, Steve. Take care.
steve bannon
So the misdirection play, they're trying to make everything about what they're doing to President Trump in this completely phony, made-up charge and to get the whole world's attention distracted to that.
We're going to cover it smartly about how corrupt this is and how this is the elites trying to shut down the populist movement, the nationalist movement, the America First movement.
But there's so many important things going on they're trying to distract from.
Part of this is what's happening in the House right now.
Are the investigations working?
Are we going to be hardliners on the debt ceiling?
Are we going to be hardliners on the border?
It's all to come, and we're going to need your support.
The posse's going to have to weigh in here.
That's where we're trying to get you as much accurate information as possible.
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But we're not going to sit there every day and talk about every development that goes on the case because it's a totally bogus case.
A totally bogus case. It has nothing to do with the law.
It all has to do with election interference.
The globalist elites understand that now they've tried everything else.
The only thing they can do is lawfare against President Trump because he is going to win the primary.
He is going to win the general.
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steve bannon
This gets to what President Trump started doing after he went to East Palestine around the time was starting to put out these videos about policy that he lays out in his own unique way, these policies that are America first, that are MAGA, these populist and economic nationalist policies.
And others have a tough time responding because they're still from the old Republican Party, which is neoliberal, neocon.
That is the great intellectual debate.
That neoliberal, neocon structure is collapsing before your eyes, and you can see it everywhere, from the Brazil-China deal, which we'll talk to in the next hour, to what's happening with the Bloods and the Crips, the Persians and the Arabs, siding with China, everywhere.
And right now, that issue with Governor Sanders is huge.
President Trump has said Social Security and Medicare are off the table.
And Andy Biggs just told you, this getting to a balanced budget is not going to be easy.
We never said it was going to be easy, particularly if you take Medicare and Social Security off the table.
But you have to put the defense budget.
I'm the head of the Superhawks that take down the CCP, and I think you have to go to the defense budget because we should never get in a shooting war with the CCP. We can take them down in six months by cutting off their capital and technology.
It's as clear as the nose in your face.
It's one of the reasons the new book The Indictment is coming out that I know you're going to find absolutely amazing from the Committee on the Present Danger China.
So next hour we got Harnwell and we get into what's happening in Europe.
We've got Joe Allen, this headline today in the Financial Times.
Remember 100 days ago they were cheerleading artificial intelligence, now artificial intelligence, existential threat to humanity.
This paper is supposed to be about probity and not having your hair on fire.
It's already gone from Davos in 100 days to now it's an existential threat to humanity.
And some of the recommendations will shock you.
And Joe Allen is going to be here and join us for that.
And then we're going to finish with Laura Logan.
And she's going to bring it with both barrels as only she can bring it because she is one tough broad, as we say in the business.
She is on fire.
She's blunt. And she sees exactly the historic moment we're in.
You know, I keep talking about being in a fourth turning.
You're seeing it right now. We're everything underneath you.
Nothing feels like it ever was.
And I tell you, we have massive challenges in front of us.
Tomorrow on the show, we're going to get into those challenges and go into detail.
We were going to be covering It was the transgender day of vengeance, but oops, that got canceled.
They said because of threats, all that is bogus.
They didn't have enough people to show up, regardless of pronouns, okay?
And that whole thing needs to be, I mean, Biden today puts out a tweet praising it from the Oval Office.
It's mind-boggling.
The one thing I do know, and I can tell you that, and I'll get more into details, because, hey, I was as sick as I've ever been in my life, and I'm not somebody who gets sick.
I've only taken, what, one day off for being sick in three and a half years at my age, and that was because I got COVID. Man, the first time I got it, I got it bad.
But that was the other day coming back from East Palestine.
There's something deeply wrong in East Palestine, Ohio, and we're going to assist those people and get to the bottom of it.
Krom Carmichael, talk to me.
Haven't had you on in a while, brother.
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crom carmichael
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steve bannon
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