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March 14, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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WarRoom Battleground EP 252: Justice For J6
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julie kelly
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kash patel
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steve bannon
This is what you're fighting for.
I mean, every day you're out there.
What they're doing is blowing people off.
If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians get total control and total power.
Because this is just like in Arizona.
This is just like in Georgia.
It's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and misrepresentations.
This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged.
As we've told you, this is the fight.
unidentified
All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.
steve bannon
War Room, Battleground.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome. It's Tuesday, 14 March, the year of our Lord, 2023.
I couldn't imagine two better people to hang out in the early evening with than Julie Kelly or Kash Patel, and we've got them both tonight on a number of issues and really thank them for changing their schedule around today to join us.
I want to start with everything related to J6, what's happened, this kind of what McBride released the other day, this amazing development in the Proud Boys case.
And I want to bring in Julie Kelly from that, from America Greatness.
She's done the best day-to-day reporting and analysis of this.
Cash is going to join us here in a second.
As you know, Cash is the author of Of the upcoming unredacted version of government gangsters that somehow is working its way through the Pentagon or DOJ or somewhere, but we'll get an update with Cash in a minute.
Julie, get our audience up to speed.
There's been some, you know, Alex Jones put some things out last week.
There's explosive revelations coming.
There's this report. You actually said it's something you hadn't seen.
julie kelly
Get us up to speed of what's going on and one of the questions I got is this kind of like when Julie Kelly tells me something out there she hasn't seen is this like the analogy to the 44,000 hours of footage that you know they got in the Tucker get a release to is this something they've been holding back explain to our audience exactly what's going on they have been and apparently after Joe McBride posted this and this was a 96 page report and That was published by DC Metropolitan Police Department that detailed the protests that were planned the 4th,
5th, and 6th. Their entire response team, including intelligence and undercover units, how they should be dressed, what they should be looking for.
This report I have never seen.
And apparently after I posted it, when Joe sent it to me, some defendants came back to me and said that this has been Designated, highly sensitive government information, just like all of the surveillance video.
But it again is more evidence that undercuts the idea that law enforcement was completely unprepared.
They had no idea what was going to happen that day.
And to me, Steve, one of the most illuminating parts of it is that there were at least two anti-Trump rallies that were planned in Washington, including one at the Capitol, Around the same time that the joint session was scheduled to convene at one o'clock that day.
So we haven't seen any response from DC Metro Police or DOJ as to why this has been basically kept under seal for now more than two years, just like the videos and just like so many other pieces of exculpatory evidence.
January 6th was not at all anything close to an insurrection.
steve bannon
I want to make sure that Captain Bannon and Grace link to this.
I put it up the other day on GitHub, but I want to make sure we link to it again.
Just one more time, because I remember in Cash, and Cash was acting a Chief of Staff over at the Pentagon.
And this is kind of totally different than I think what Chris Miller was told.
And Chris Miller's book, I mean specifically, because I've read those chapters a couple of times.
Go back again, this 96-page report.
Joe McBride got it.
You helped get it out there and released, but it's been under wraps now for almost two years.
Specifically, what are the big reveals in this report about Metro and intelligence and government assets?
julie kelly
I think the biggest reveal is that once again, law enforcement was not caught off guard.
That Donald Trump did not incite the violence at the Capitol.
That intelligence agencies, and we know this now from in the January 6th committee, even that intelligence agencies from the Department of Homeland Security, FBI, DOJ, DCDHS, all had warning signs that violence might occur.
And the very fact that this report exists, and it goes through all of the street closures, it goes through the expected protests that were going to happen.
It talks about surveilling churches and hotels and airports.
It specifically designates by name officers who were going to be deployed at certain vantage points throughout the Capitol, especially between the White House and Capitol Hill.
It talks about using undercover assets, which, by the way, we know also happened.
There's a pending motion by a defendant who's representing himself that uncovered three undercover DC police officers who were behind Ashley Babbitt before she went into the Capitol, and one of them can be heard Imploring people to follow them and go inside.
The government's trying to cover that up as well.
All of this is coalescing at a perfect time on the heels of the release of the Tucker tapes as the American people are slowly realizing, maybe quickly realizing, Steve, that what they thought they saw on January 6th is not the reality and that something really sinister and nefarious happened that day.
And how the government, House Democrats, and yes, the news media have been covering it up ever since.
steve bannon
Okay, the J6 committee, this is what I'm confused about.
They had access to all this.
Did they make a conscious decision not to air this or talk about it publicly?
Because if you look at it, maybe I'm wrong, but you've covered this in minutia.
I think I've followed it pretty closely since I drew a four-month prison sentence for it, a federal prison sentence over it.
Did the J6 ever—I actually think that their narrative, at least what they put publicly, countered what's in this document.
Did they ever cover this in detail?
And if they didn't cover it, wouldn't Liz Cheney and Kinzinger at least had copies of it?
Was this a conscious suppression of this information by J6 committee, or did this ever even get hinted at?
julie kelly
It absolutely was a cover-up.
I'm sure that they have this document.
But as you will recall, Steve, there was internal strife at the committee, which is why the final report was delayed at least six times.
Because you had investigators on a specific team, I believe it was the blue team, that spent 18 months investigating what agencies had what intelligence, why law enforcement was so ill-prepared, what law enforcement agencies were involved.
That information ultimately at the direction of Liz Cheney was buried in an appendix in this 8,837-page report.
So this prompted a lot of outrage from the investigators and staffers, some of whom resigned from the committee in protest.
Then after the report came out, one of the lead investigators gave an interview with Ken Dillonian, one of Kash Patel's favorite reporters, by the way, at NBC News, who complained about How the committee did not do its due diligence, did not inform the American people as to why law enforcement intelligence agencies were so ill prepared.
So this is probably one of the thousands of pieces of material hidden away in the hundred boxes or so, bankers boxes of evidence that the January 6th committee has abandoned, never made available to the public despite promises that they would.
So I think it was very illuminating and I want to commend Joe for making it public.
Because it's time now to play hardball the way the government has.
They have materials that the government has arbitrarily designated as classified, sensitive, etc.
Let it loose. Publish it.
Let's see it all. Stop letting the government hide this material, not just from the American people, but the defendants whose lives are on the line by this vengeful, ruthless prosecution by Merrick Garland and Lisa Monaco's DOJ. Hang on, let's put a pin in that part about the prisoners, and I'm going to come back to it in a second.
steve bannon
I want to bring in Cash. Cash, we've had Chris Miller on the show twice.
Once, I think in one of his first interviews about his book, and then after Morning Joe tried to grill him, we had him back on again about the book.
I've gone through the book a couple times, and I want to go back to that Sunday when he had to actually force a meeting.
He tried to get an in-person meeting, and people said, no, no, no, there's too much going on, so they did a Zoom meeting, I think.
If you look at this report, I think, and if you read the book, these participants here actually, participants on that call actually lied and misled.
Chris Miller, who was acting Secretary of Defense, you were acting Chief of Staff.
Can you square these?
Because it looks like totally different than the information Chris Miller was told on the Sunday before the Tuesday, and he was trying to get people ready and focus on this.
He had a very tough time corralling people.
And then, at least in the meeting, and I not just went through the book, but I asked him two times on the thing, nowhere near This is what you would expect to have happened.
That's not what they told Chris Miller.
Did they purposely, the departments of our government purposely mislead Chris Miller because he was an interim designee by Donald J. Trump and you were chief of staff over there?
kash patel
Yeah, I'm going to answer that in a second, but this is how I like to phrase it.
How is it that Dunkin' Donuts and Starbucks had better intelligence than our FBI, DHS, and Metropolitan Police Department in D.C.? How is it that Dunkin' Donuts and Starbucks knew to board up all the shops around the Capitol one week beforehand, but our intelligence community and law enforcement apparatus did not know that?
Now let's fast forward to the meetings.
I was there. I was chief of staff at DOD. I was with Chris every second of every day for these weeks, almost entirely.
And what we tried to do numerous occasions was get the leadership structure on the phone, and all they wanted to do was deflect.
Whoever was the acting AG, I can't even remember anymore, barely participated in any conversation.
Chris Wray, the director of the FBI, wanted nothing to do with it.
And I refuse to believe then, and I've said it every day since, that the FBI didn't have intelligence on the events of January 6th.
We now know that they did.
They finally released that report from the Virginia field office, and we are now finally starting to see all the other intel that was there.
They withheld this information from the Secretary of Defense.
It doesn't matter if you're acting or otherwise, you are still the number one military civilian in the United States of America, beholden only to the President of the United States.
And that is why we went to Donald Trump and said, we still feel you need to act.
And that's why Donald Trump authorized up to 20,000 National Guards men and women days ahead of time.
And if you don't believe us, look at Biden's Inspector General from his Department of Defense.
He said the Trump DOD leadership acted appropriately, swiftly, and without delay when it comes to the events of January 6th, and our involvement was to augment the security posture there.
That means we now know they lied about Intel, and we of course know that Nancy Pelosi and Mayor Bowser refused the request of National Guard because they cared more about optics and politics than the security of the capital structure.
steve bannon
Okay, I'm going to go back to Julie in a second on the legal side and the prisoners themselves and about the explosive nature of this and the Tucker taste.
But this is what—and help me out here.
And Julie, I'll come to you for this in a second.
This is why we have to have an entirely rebooted January 6th committee that lets the Democrats have, even as bad as they are, and they leak depositions on the weaponization.
We just got to run a tighter. You have to have a real committee, like the Watergate Committee, like the Pearl Harbor Commissions, like the 9-11, like the financial meltdown of 2008.
You have to have a formal one.
Not like I'm arguing in appeals court that this was not a real committee because you didn't have a ranking member and you didn't have minority counsel.
So minority counsel can get the information and cross-examine witnesses.
The American people, I said this on Tim Pool the other night, Before this even came out, you have to...I guess it just came out.
The American people need to know exactly what happened from 3 November.
And I'm not saying go back to the summer love.
Just start at 3 November and go through the whole thing.
And get it all on the table.
All the footage that's relevant.
All the reports. All the material.
Who was the intelligence? What was the federal government's involvement?
You know, did Trump make good moves?
Did he not make good moves?
Let the chips fall where they may.
But what's so maddening about this is you see these blockbusters come out.
And it's like, wow, how did that happen?
And didn't we already have a committee?
And how did that committee not have this?
And then Julie says, well, look, there's some guys who may have quit over it and may be buried down in a box.
This is the way, this is why the Warren Commission report is not, nobody believes it today.
We can't have this.
This is a ticking time bomb.
This is a sore. This is a cancer in the heart of American, this republic and American democracy.
And it puts every institution in our government, people say, oh, man, I just want to burn everything down.
I want these institutions to try to reform themselves and save themselves.
If we don't have a new committee and the Republicans sit there and you talk to these guys and they go, oh, no, no, no, no.
Politics is about the future.
We've got to put that in the rearview mirror.
We don't want to talk about it. You can't.
We can never overcome this wound until we get to it.
kash patel
Your thoughts, sir? Look, as the guy that ran the Russiagate investigation and we actually put out a committee-led effort to tell the truth, I agree with you.
As the guy who was the first, Steve, remember, I was the first guy subpoenaed by the January 6th committee.
Top 255,000 in legal bills.
I went in there with the truth.
I armed them with the information about Donald Trump and our meeting in the Oval Office and the intelligence and the lack of leadership.
I provided them with nine exhibits, including the DOD Inspector General report, the Capitol Police timeline, Mayor Bowser's letter, and Nancy Pelosi's refusal.
They actually cut my exhibits from their final report and called it a clerical error.
These people never wanted the truth.
All of this speaks to the fact of what you're saying.
We need a real committee.
I don't know that we're going to get it, but we in Congress, when we're talking about constitutional oversight, that is our one goal.
Like we did with Russiagate when we put out the Nunes memo and everything else.
It didn't matter what the media said.
We were serving the American people by putting out the truth, and that's what January 6th needs.
steve bannon
Hang on. Hang on, I'm going to tell this audience right now, I'll guarantee you one thing.
If we don't get it now by forcing McCarthy's hand, we will get it in the afternoon of January 20th of 2025.
This will be ordered by then President of the United States, Donald J. Trump.
We're going to get to the bottom of this thing.
This is too important. Remember, the Pearl Harbor commissions and committees went for a number of years.
I think it was like eight or nine years they kept going.
And they still didn't quite get it right.
Julie Kelly. Do we need—does McCarthy and Jordan and this team need to step up today and say, hey, we've got to hit rewind on this.
We've got to go back and do this the right way.
We've got to start over again and let the Democrats have their best.
Let them have Goldman. Let them have all these guys that they think they're all tough prosecutors.
Do we need a real committee to get to the bottom of this, ma'am?
julie kelly
We absolutely do, and I hope that you keep calling for that.
This weaponization committee is not the body that should be addressing such a massive ongoing problem.
This is the future, Steve.
Department of Justice just now announced the arrest of another January 6th protester, a man from New Jersey who's charged with civil disorder and other trespassing misdemeanors.
Matthew Graves, the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, said that this caseload will double the Since when do we put a quota on criminal investigations?
This campaign of terror against Trump supporters and Americans who dared to protest Joe Biden's illegitimate election is ongoing.
We need a special January 6th select committee to do the work.
And to Cash's point, the acting attorney general at the time was Jeffrey Rosen.
He assembled elite FBI forces at Quantico the weekend before January 6th.
What were they doing?
What were they preparing for?
And when he deployed them to Washington, D.C. the morning of January 6th, what exactly did they do?
I'll tell you something else that we just found out from body-worn camera footage.
Michael Sherwin, who was the acting D.C. U.S. attorney at the time, was undercover in street clothes walking around the Trump speech and then walking towards the Capitol as he was talking with police officers.
Guess who else he was communicating with the whole time?
Stephen D'Antuano.
I know you know that name, Steve Bannon, Stephen D'Antuano, who's running the Washington field office.
We also know from witness testimony, Stephen D'Antuano's name is all over.
People saying that the Washington field office and Stephen D'Antuano specifically was collecting intelligence from field offices across the country.
Everything ran through that man and his office.
Who did the January 6th committee not interview?
Stephen D'Antuano, or Christopher Wray, by the way.
This was a total sham cover-up.
They left the Capitol intentionally unsecure because they wanted the events and provoked the events of that day for the very reason of why here we are 26 months later, unbelievably, the FBI investigating, interrogating, harassing, and now DOJ prosecuting from a four-hour political protest now more than two years ago.
It is ongoing. It needs to stop.
And the Republicans need to recalibrate their efforts.
Stop talking about parents who are being surveilled at school board meetings, etc.
That's old news. This is new news.
It's developing every single day.
Time to get on the ball.
I commend McCarthy for what he did with the video.
There's a lot more just like it out there ready to be uncovered and the American people told the truth.
steve bannon
What's your understanding on Capitol Hill?
What's holding this back? You hear that even McCarthy is getting massive blowback by the RINOs and the Republican Party saying, oh no, we have to focus on the future.
We can't go back to January 6th.
It reminds people of this awful day.
What does your reporting tell you?
julie kelly
I think that there is some frustration that things are going so slowly, that the staffing of these committees overall is very slow.
Apparently, what I've also heard is there's not the budget available, which I don't know how you can control the budget strings to some extent and not have that happen.
But look, Steve, January 6th has always been about the base.
When I started recovering this, I could get very few House Republicans, MTG, Paul Gosar, Louis Gomer to even talk to me about this.
No one else would hear me out.
That dramatically shifted towards the end of 2021.
You know why? Because they went home, and this became such an issue with the base.
And Cash and I saw this at CPAC, and I see it wherever I go.
It is such an issue with the base that they were forcing House Republicans, Republicans in Washington, to confront the issue of political prisoners, to confront this prosecution.
And so it has always been a top issue with the base.
I would suggest now it could be number one.
Probably comparable to illegal immigration.
But the American people now know that they have been deceived by the January 6th Committee, Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, this Department of Justice, the FBI, the entire Biden regime continues to lie and cover up.
And we could bury it except that it is fundamentally altering our legal system of justice in America and opening up the weapons of war Against American citizens, that cannot be tolerated.
And so that is why a special January 6th committee has to be formed and unleashed.
steve bannon
One of the areas of my appeal is obviously on the structure of this committee.
And that's, you know, people can argue about that.
There's some legal theories about the tapes, about in the congressional hearing, whether it should be a new congressional hearing.
Obviously, we think it's got to be, there is a counter-argument maybe both in Republicans and Democrats.
That's what democracy is about.
What's not open for question, though, correct me if I'm wrong, is in a legal process where people are being held in solitary confinement, being held a couple years before they come to trial, could face long terms in prison, the releasing of exculpatory evidence to their defense teams to make their case.
What I think is confusing is that, and help us out here, because you've covered this, the Tucker tapes, and then last week, whatever this brouhaha was about the Proud Boys, where they essentially shut the case down for a couple of days, and then the release of this report.
Explain to our audience, are these defendants, Whether they did bad things or not, are they all getting due process?
Are they all getting full and complete access to everything that went on so that they can defend themselves in a federal court for pretty extensive criminal charges?
julie kelly
No, and let's go to the Proud Boys.
No one wants to touch the Proud Boys because I guess they're icky or because Christopher Wray says they're a domestic terror organization.
Of course, they were out there fighting BLM in Antifa for years and trying to help the police.
You could disagree with what they did on January 6th.
One of them wasn't even there.
steve bannon
And places like Portland and Seattle, you know, I always consider it like a men's drinking club, like a beer club that would come together, but they were in Portland.
Michael Yon hung out, observed them for a while in Portland and in Seattle and other places that kind of, you know, that Chaz group and Element, they always had the Proud Boys were there, but they were kind of like a men's, it seemed like to me like a men's drinking club, right?
That's Or are guys getting together and do this?
julie kelly
And keep in mind, in December of 2020, when the Proud Boys were there for one of the Stop the Steal rallies, four of them were stabbed outside of a bar by a BLM activist.
The ones creating the violence were not the Proud Boys, it was the left-wingers.
So at any rate, regardless of what you think, and there's a lot of misperception about this case, four of those men have been held under pretrial detention orders for more than two years.
They are not. They have not been convicted of any crime.
They do not have any criminal record.
Judge Tim Kelly has kept them behind bars for more than two years because they quote unquote attacked the Capitol.
Now you have Judge Tim Kelly fully invested in conviction so he can justify his cruel decision to keep these men incarcerated away from their families, away from their defense attorneys, kept in solitary confinement for months during the first part of their imprisonment.
What's happening in this trial?
Due process? No. Let's start right there.
Innocent before proven guilty.
Sixth Amendment, Speedy Trial Act, Fourth Amendment.
I mean, all of the Bill of Rights protections have been completely obliterated in this D.C. courthouse.
Now what's happening is evidence that has been concealed, possibly destroyed, certainly doctored, as we know it was coming out in the trial last week.
And just as one of the defense attorneys had one of the lead FBI case agents on the hot seat, Confronting her about messages that they found, also talking about violating attorney-client privilege, intercepting emails between one defendant and his attorney, passing that information along to that lead prosecutor on the case.
I'd love to hear Cash's view on that.
Judge Tim Kelly shuts down the cross-examination, dismisses the jury and the cross-examination to that extent.
Never continues. DOJ came up with all sorts of excuses about these incriminating messages.
They were classified information.
Oh, this had to do with an old case file, blah, blah, blah.
So at any rate, these incriminating messages that show more malfeasance by the FBI and DOJ have now been removed from the spreadsheet called classified and sensitive information.
And this FBI agent and the entire agency got off the hook once again.
steve bannon
Before I turn to Cash, how can you keep information classified if it could be used in somebody's defense?
Isn't some mechanism that the jury, they go behind, and some, they throw the press out, but you can downgrade it enough so the jury can see it if it's about a man or woman going to prison for a while?
julie kelly
You would think so.
In a fair system of justice, you would think that that would be the case.
But Judge Tim Kelly, Took the spreadsheet from the defense, told them they couldn't review it again, couldn't share it, couldn't use it, gave it, so the DOJ unilaterally decided on its own, without anyone there, what was classified or sensitive, took out the messages, gave it back to the defense,
or scrubbed clean of anything that they didn't want the jury to hear, limited, severely limited the cross-examination, and, Steve, more outrageously, this judge, Tim Kelly, has not yet held a hearing on clear Sixth Amendment violations, and there's no indication when he will.
steve bannon
Can you hang on for a second, Julie?
Julie Kelly's with us. We have Cash Patel.
We can take a short commercial break.
right to return to this quite controversial issue about American justice and JSAIC in a moment.
unidentified
and I'll see you next time.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome back.
I want to bring in Cash Patel.
So before the break, Cash, Julie was blowing my head up.
And I'm not a lawyer, but I can't.
It's hard for me to get my hands around that this is the American justice system.
And particularly, you know, D.C., this is like the Yankee Stadium of federal courts and federal judges, right?
I mean, this is the big leagues.
It's pretty stunning.
So is Julie correct in what she's talking about, or is this misinterpretation from a non-lawyer?
kash patel
No, look, as a former public defender, I was a federal public defender who tried 60-some-odd cases to jury conviction.
And a former national security prosecutor, prosecuted terrorists in national security cases involving classified information.
What I see here is the bastardization of due process, not just by DOJ and FBI, but by the judicial system, who's supposed to be the check on all of it when rogue prosecutors suppress evidence.
And I can tell you, as a federal public defender, I caught prosecutors hiding exculpatory evidence too often.
And it took a mountain to lift to get that in front of a federal judge to show them the evidence necessary to get them to rule our way.
And that's what needs to happen, unfortunately, in this case, is some of these defense attorneys are gonna have to take on DOJ and the courts.
And the key here is to show the judge That they were lied to by the DOJ and FBI. That's how you win here.
That's how you expose the information that's being suppressed to so many of these defendants.
You can't talk about it writ large.
It is due process for the prosecutor to divulge every piece of information, including exculpatory and impeachment evidence.
We call it Brady and Giglio, but it's a constitutional right per the Supreme Court for every defendant.
But it's on the defense attorney to make the case to the judge to say, judge, not only did they suppress this information and violate the law, but they, the DOJ and FBI, lie to you, the court, which is a contempt of court charge, a separate charge that the judge can levy himself.
That's the only way I've ever found that you can get a judge to act.
steve bannon
We know that President Trump will take care of this and act upon this upon his return to the White House, but what can we do today?
What do you recommend?
What can this audience do?
What action has to take place?
What's Cash's recommendation?
kash patel
Every piece of video evidence that hopefully comes out more and more, whether it's through Tucker or whether Speaker McCarthy gives it out, and every piece of money, every single source that was utilized by the FBI and Metro PD was funded by taxpayer dollars.
Congress has to go get those documents, just like we got the Christopher Steele and Stefan Halper documents to show the corruption at the FBI and DOJ. I believe you're going to find the same level of corruption here with the FBI and DOJ's involvement with January 6th.
Congress has to subpoena those documents.
The public must demand that.
Secondly, the defense needs assistance in these cases, and the public must come to their aid by scouring through every piece of paper that Congress produces and every second of videotape that we see now on January 6th to show acts of violence by either law enforcement personnel or sources, the likes of REAPs, And then show acts of innocence that now we've seen with the videotaped footage that has just been released by Tucker.
We need to do that on an ongoing basis, and these defense attorneys need assistance identifying specific items for their defendants so they can take it and file it in federal court.
That is the only way we are going to see a result in the next two years, short of the next Trump administration, is with a defense attorney who will show that evidence was withheld, the DOJ lied, and they lied to the judge.
steve bannon
Even as powerful as Tucker is, I mean, it's pretty evident after the first night, somebody at senior command of Fox News or the Murdochs themselves pulled the plug in any new footage.
We haven't seen any new footage, I don't believe, since that first night, which was explosive in and of itself.
You've had, you know, The Mother, The QAnon, Shamanon.
You've had some great shows, but I think it's pretty obvious.
It looks like no more...
It's coming in that route. Do you disagree with me?
Does it look like the debt of the 44,000 hours we've kind of got what we've got at least till now until McCarthy makes a decision about releasing the rest or even putting it out there to be crowdsourced?
kash patel
I mean, Matt Boyle interviewed McCarthy on Breitbart the other week.
I think just Friday, McCarthy doubled down and said, I'm going to release all the footage.
So for right now, I got to take the guy at his word.
He kicked off Swalwell and Schiff and all that stuff.
He said he was going to release the footage.
He did it in part by giving it to Tucker.
So maybe in the next week or so, we'll see.
If it doesn't happen the next week or so, then I think we revisit the conversation.
But he said he's doing it.
steve bannon
Okay, hang on for a second. Let me go back.
Julie, your thoughts on the footage.
I mean, Tucker's first night was explosive enough.
I think he got this entire conversation for the nation.
I think he had four million people watch that night.
I'm not sure new footage has come out there.
Not that I don't think Tucker Carlson wants to put it out.
I think higher ups, including the ownership structure of Fox, may not be that enthusiastic because of how explosive this was.
Your thoughts about the footage?
If McCarthy and Matt, and Cash is right, Matt Boyle is the very first question I asked him, and Speaker McCarthy is pretty straightforward.
Hey, I'm giving this to other news organizations, you know, pretty quickly.
What do you think needs to happen here?
Particularly, I don't even trust news organizations now.
I think it's got to be crowdsourced like Cash says.
We crowdsourced 3,500 War Room volunteers, crowdsourced all of the Pfizer documents with Naomi Wolf, but it took that kind of effort.
I think 220 lawyers, 225 lawyers, 3,500 volunteers, some of whom were very sophisticated researchers to crowdsource those documents about the vaccine.
Where do you think we stand and what's your recommendation?
julie kelly
So I supported initially giving this to Tucker because it had to be a surgical strike.
It had to land with maximum impact, which is exactly what it did.
If you would have had a bunch of Internet researchers or different accounts who are flooding the zone with different clips, maybe making mistakes there, that would have really undermined the impact that we know that Tucker's presentation had.
You don't have the Senate Majority Leader run to the Senate floor the morning after Tucker Carlson's show and force or condemn or order the Murdochs to take him off the air if they did not see how this was affecting their narrative unraveling in real time.
So I do still think it was the right approach.
Now moving forward, I mean, I would like to see it.
I know certain cameras I want to see.
I want to see movements of certain police officers and certain protesters to see exactly what happened to them.
So I do support that now.
I want to add one thing to what Cash was saying, how to hold this entire process accountable.
It's way overdue time to impeach a judge or two.
I can't even remember the last time a federal judge was impeached, let alone one in D.C. What these judges are doing has to be a huge part of any select January 6th committee.
As I told you, Steve, and I know this clip really went viral, the judges here are the villains.
They are supposed to be the ones, number one, protecting the rights of defendants, Protecting the Constitution in due process and catching the government in this adversarial process because they control all the evidence of hiding evidence, manipulating evidence, doctoring evidence, destroying evidence, which they just talked about last week in the Proud Boys trial.
You can't have someone like Judge Tim Kelly, by the way, a DOJ, a creature of DOJ, not just main DOJ, by the way, But who worked for years for the D.C. U.S. Attorney's Office, the same office prosecuting every January 6th case.
This is the incestuous old boys and girls club in this tiny town of Washington.
And you see this judge who not only has ties to the same people handling the case, but fully invested in convictions because of what he's already done up until this point.
The judges in the D.C. District Court need to also be held to account.
And let the American people see and read what they've been doing as well.
steve bannon
You know, it's stunning, and I'm getting back on, but Jeff Shepard, who was a young guy in the White House Counselor's Office in Nixon's White House, has made it his life's work since Watergate to write a couple of books, The Real Watergate Scandal, and I think he's got another one.
He goes through, and what's shocking is when you see it through the documents that have been released by Jaworski's files, all these files that got released, he's put together a document trail that completely throws out the Woodward-Bernstein thing as some sort of lightweight part of it.
He makes this compelling case of this illegal interaction.
Between the staffs over in the Hill, but really the prosecutors in DOJ and the judges, including Judge Sharica.
I mean, when you read it, I'm not a lawyer, but when you read it, it blows you away.
But his point on Watergate is exactly the point you're making now on J6. He's saying, hey, the story that's never been told is the work of the federal judges with Prosecutors, which were, with no defense attorneys around, totally inappropriate, with Hill staffers leaking information.
He said they basically formed, they actually have a document they had called the Roadmap to Prosecutions, that they were dead set on getting Nixon from the very beginning and kind of worked this through.
So, very explosive here.
Julie, there's so much more to talk about here.
Your reporting has been incredible to keep people on top of this.
How do people get you on both your social media and how do they get to the book?
julie kelly
Thanks so much, Steve. So the book is available at Amazon.
All of my work can be found at American Greatness, amgreatness.com.
I spend a lot of time on Twitter, Julie underscore Kelly, too, following these trials in real time, posting snippets of motions that have been filed, and even more important, the transcripts of what's happening in these trials.
You can't cover these trials by phone.
You have to go to D.C. and see them in person.
Unfortunately, they should be made public.
But to the extent that the transcripts are available, I Continually post updates of what's happening in that trial and other trials and sentencing hearings as well.
steve bannon
No, it's been incredible and your Twitter feed is must for anybody that's watching this at all.
So thank you. Honored to have you on here, Julie Kelly.
unidentified
Thank you, Steve. Cash, I'm a pivot to national security.
steve bannon
Anything that's come up in this and Julie's part of this that you want to comment on before I play a cold open for you?
kash patel
All I say is, Steve, thank you for launching the Jan 6 Justice For All video and song exclusively last week.
It's number one five days later.
The Oscars tried to use Lady Gaga to knock it out of number one on Sunday night.
It's still number one.
We're raising six figures for January 6 families.
Thank you to the War Room Posse for launching Justice For All.
It's unreal what this song is doing.
steve bannon
I want to say I understand from very knowledgeable sources that Lady Gaga's dad is a big fan of the war room.
They say, hey, look, we love you.
We love your daughter. We love all of it.
But hey, it was Cash.
It was the J6 choir and President Trump.
Incredibly moving. I knew from the moment you talked to me about it, Cash, It would burn down the internet, but I wasn't ready for what a great job John Rich and others had to produce that.
It's so moving and so powerful, and it'll be number one for a while.
We push it out. We try to push it out every day, so thank you.
We've got a call open for you.
Let's go ahead and play it, and then I want you to respond on different things that happened today in national security.
tucker carlson
And then maybe the most newsworthy response that we received was from Florida Governor Ron DeSantis.
DeSantis has well-known views on many topics, of course, but until tonight, no one could really say with precision where he stood on the war in Ukraine, which is arguably the most important topic in the world.
And now we know. DeSantis is adamantly opposed the position that most Republicans in Washington have taken on Ukraine.
DeSantis is not a neocon.
Who knew? While the U.S. has many vital national interests, DeSantis writes, securing our borders, addressing the crisis of readiness within our military, achieving energy security and independence, and checking the economic, cultural, and military power of the Chinese Communist Party, becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia is not one of them.
Without question, he writes, peace should be the objective.
The US should not provide assistance that could require the deployment of American troops or enable Ukraine to engage in offensive operations beyond its borders.
F-16s and long-range missiles should therefore be off the table.
These moves would risk explicitly drawing the United States into the conflict and drawing us closer to a hot war between the world's two largest nuclear powers.
That risk is unacceptable.
DeSantis goes on to oppose the policy of regime change in Moscow, which is very popular in Washington, and he points out that the Biden administration has created an alliance between Russia and China, and that's a disaster for the United States.
We cannot prioritize intervention in an escalating foreign war over the defense of our own homeland, especially as tens of thousands of Americans are dying every year from narcotics smuggled across our open border, and our weapons arsenals, critically for our own security, are rapidly being depleted.
So that's DeSantis' position, clarified.
unidentified
Now to our breaking news.
brianna keilar
A Russian jet has forced down a U.S. drone over the Black Sea after damaging its propeller.
unidentified
Briana, this played out early this morning over international waters of the Black Sea, according to U.S. Air Force Europe.
An MQ-9 Reaper drone, a U.S. Air Force surveillance drone, or spy drone, was flying over the Black Sea when, according to the Air Force, two Russian fighter jets conducted what they're calling an unsafe and unprofessional interception.
So somehow that Russian fighter jet managed to damage the propeller, forcing the U.S. to bring down the drone in international waters.
U.S. Air Force Europe issued a statement.
Let me read you a part of this.
This incident demonstrates a lack of competence in addition to being unsafe and unprofessional.
These aggressive actions by Russian aircrew are dangerous and could lead to miscalculation and unintended escalation.
steve bannon
Okay, I want to bring in Kash Patel, who was over at DNI, was in the House Intelligence at DNI, and then was Chief of Staff at the Pentagon.
Let's take the last first.
This is what you and I, in the White House, we're always concerned about.
You start getting too close, either in Syria or here in Ukraine, in just the fog of war, things are going to happen.
The next thing you know, you're going to have a—this is what the escalation and the accelerationists want.
They want these assets next to the Russian assets.
And I'm not trying to say the Russians are blameless here, but this is about what's going to happen.
This is how escalation starts inadvertently under law of unintended consequences.
kash patel
Kash Patel. Yeah, let's just sort of set the landscape of what an MQ-9 Reaper is.
This is like the F-35 of drones.
It's like the 747 jumbo jet commercial airliner version.
This is not something that fits in like your, you know, little caddy bag when you go traveling.
This is a behemoth.
And we're talking about an MQ-9 Reaper.
Was it armed? Was it unarmed?
We use these. This is public information.
MQ-9 Reapers are used to execute complicated drone strikes, kinetic strikes around the world.
Was it collecting intelligence?
Did it have a SIGINT probe on it?
How many tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions of dollars were wasted by the downing of this aircraft?
And Steve, let's just pause there.
The downing of a United States drone by the Russian military.
Why is President Joe Biden not front and center at the White House at a podium demanding Putin explain what happened?
And if it wasn't an absolute mistake, then there better be retributions.
This is the failure in leadership from our commander-in-chief, and the media will barely cover it.
Just think about this.
What if an MQ-9 Reaper drone went down during the Trump administration that Putin took out?
It would be headline news for a month, as it should be.
There needs to be an investigation.
People need to remind themselves the seriousness of this.
I think this is the key.
steve bannon
By the way, they would have started an impeachment trial if Trump hadn't hit something back.
He's too soft on Putin.
But Trump wouldn't have had the Reaper up over the Black Sea.
This is the problem. And this is what the acceleration is.
What they want to do is push some sort of conflict so you can have an Article 5 situation.
And next thing you know, you've got guys shooting at each other.
And I'm not saying the Russian pilots weren't cowboys here, right?
It's very little information coming out, but it looks like they've said already they're dangerous and reckless.
Of course, that's the Pentagon saying it.
But what are your thoughts about we just have too many assets over there?
You know, it's not supposed to be our war.
It's not supposed to be our proxy war.
Are you concerned about we've got so many assets over there right now?
Naval assets, air assets, we're actually doing the targeting for them.
We now know we're doing AI targeting for them, sir?
kash patel
So what it is, Steve, it's the too cute by a half scenario.
We've got DOD contractors on the ground in Ukraine so we can say we don't have American conventional forces on the ground in Ukraine.
And when you shift that to aerial assets, it's the same thing.
What they're saying is we have unmanned aerial vehicles and assets both in the air and sea.
And when they get shot down, it's okay, no big deal.
There wasn't an American in it.
But, of course, the worst catastrophe if there was any American involved.
But I think this administration is using that excuse or that justification to say we're not really there when we're doubling down.
And I agree with you. I don't think we should be spending hundreds of millions of dollars to fly these vehicles that cost hundreds of millions and billions of dollars to collect intelligence for these trains.
steve bannon
This is a major weapons platform.
Yeah. Exactly. Cash, quickly, you're one of the architects of the American first national security policy in its practice.
Ron DeSantis has always been with the neocons.
And last night when Tucker read DeSantis' response, the Twitter went nuts.
The neocons, I kept putting up, it was sad.
They were brokenhearted. Walk us through how important what DeSantis is.
And of course, the Warren Posse is going to light me up and say, Bannon, he's still not saying they've got no more money now.
But he did say it's not in the vital national security interest, or even the national security interest.
He called it a regional border conflict, but it broke their hearts.
kash patel
How big a deal is this? Look, any leader that says that, in my opinion, is saying the right thing, because we don't need to get dragged into World War III. As Donald Trump said last night, he's the only one that can prevent World War III. And Ron DeSantis has a platform, whether you like him or not, put that aside.
If any leader with WOSTA and the Republican conservative movement can say, can take on the defense industrial complex, And the goons in Congress who want us embedded in another 20-year war, then we have to listen.
So I'm glad that he's saying we don't need another conflict, not to mention the fact that we have an invasion in our southern border and Chinese fentanyl pouring through that we need to take care of first and our vets.
Let's not forget them. But I'm glad that there's another voice out there, not just President Trump.
Trump's been saying it rightfully so since day one.
We need more voices to say it.
Because that's the only way you take out the defense industrial complex, which owns so many politicians in Washington, D.C., which is why we have unmanned aerial vehicles and MQ-9 Reaper drones flying over the Caspian in the Ukraine, because when one gets shot down, they'll fund the next one to get paid.
So the cycle keeps going.
So the more voices, the better.
I'm glad we're talking about it.
steve bannon
Yeah, we're moving the Overton window, and this audience is doing a great job.
Cash, quickly, all your content, how they get to the J6 choir, how they get to your order of the book, as soon as it's out of DOJ and DOD, and how they get to all your content.
kash patel
Thanks. Yeah, just go to fightwithcash.com, fightwithcashwithak.com.
Buy the song, buy the song, buy the song, justice for all.
It's number one. Let's keep it going.
All net proceeds to Jancic's families.
unidentified
The hashtag J6PCT. Of t-shirt we made.
kash patel
We only have a couple hundred left out of the couple of thousand.
FightWithCash.com for the t-shirt all net proceeds to Jancic's families.
And of course, check out all our material at FightWithCash.com.
And I'm on Truth Social at Cash.
unidentified
Thanks, Steve. Cash, thank you very much.
steve bannon
Cash Patel, former Chief of Staff of the Department of Defense, one of the senior advisors to President Trump on national security.
We're going to be back here live.
I commit to you, the shows tomorrow will be every bit as good as the shows today, maybe even better.
See you tomorrow morning at 10 a.m.
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