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WarRoom Battleground EP 244: What Really Happened In Wuhan
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steve bannon
This is what you're fighting for.
I mean, every day you're out there.
What they're doing is blowing people off.
If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians get total control and total power.
Because this is just like in Arizona.
This is just like in Georgia.
It's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and misrepresentations.
This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged.
As we've told you, this is the fight.
unidentified
All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.
War Room. Battleground.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
marco rubio
Let me ask you, does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?
victoria nuland
Ukraine has biological research facilities which, in fact, we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of.
So we are working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach?
marco rubio
I'm sure you're aware that the Russian propaganda Groups are already putting out there all kinds of information about how they've uncovered a plot by the Ukrainians to release biological weapons in the country and with NATO's coordination.
If there's a biological or chemical weapon incident or attack inside of Ukraine, is there any doubt in your mind that 100 % it would be the Russians that would be behind it?
victoria nuland
There is no doubt in my mind, Senator, and it is classic Russian technique to blame on the other guy, what they're planning to do themselves.
willie geist
Some new comments from the head of the FBR adding to the debate over the origin of COVID-19 whether the Chinese government covered up where the virus came from.
This is a bipartisan congressional committee set its sights on what it calls China's threat to the United States and to our national security.
NBC News senior Capitol Hill correspondent Garrett Haake has the latest.
unidentified
A blunt new assessment from the head of the FBI about the origins of COVID-19, deepening the debate this morning over what triggered the global pandemic.
The FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident.
The FBI's agents, analysts and biological threat experts assessing that a lab in Wuhan, China was the virus's likely source.
The Chinese government denies that, but FBI Director Chris Ray says they've tried to hide evidence from the world.
The observation that the Chinese government seems to me has been doing its best to try to thwart And obfuscate the work here, the work that we're doing.
Ray's comments coming just days after news broke that the U.S. Department of Energy also concluded, with low confidence, that the virus, which has killed more than 1.1 million Americans, had likely originated from a laboratory leak and described it as an accident.
Other U.S. agencies believe the virus emerged naturally, a view which had been the mainstream scientific consensus for much of the pandemic.
anthony fauci
The evidence strongly points to this being a natural occurrence of the jumping of a virus from a bat to an animal species to human.
unidentified
The renewed debate over the pandemic's origin among the topics explored in the first primetime hearing of a new bipartisan select committee in Congress focusing on competition between China and the United States.
jim banks
Do you believe that China has taken the appropriate steps to make a future lab leak less likely?
unidentified
I think that the system that's in place in China does not permit for or prize serious safety.
The committee's Republican chairman telling NBC News he hopes its work serves as a national wake-up call.
I hope people understand why they should care about the threat posed by the Chinese Communist Party, why this is not just a distant over their problem, but increasingly a problem that affects all Americans right here at home.
steve bannon
Hey, welcome. It is Wednesday, 1 March, the year of our Lord, 2023.
Everybody now is talking about the Wuhan lab, which we told you exactly what happened on 23 January of 2020.
It's only three years ago.
One of the reasons they're doing this is Zelensky's rubbing up on Xi, so they finally have to make the CCP the true enemy of the United States, which they are.
But they're only doing this because their beloved Ukraine is now involved.
I want to go to Dr. Andrew Huff.
Probably... One of the most definitive books about all of this, The Truth About Wuhan.
Dr. Huff, thank you very much.
Walk us through, first off, why is it all now this huge big deal about Wuhan when people that are focused on this have known the truth for a long time, a number of years, sir?
andrew huff
Well, there's a number of things that are taking place.
So the truth about Wuhan and the story is starting to get into the mainstream now.
Even the left is buying on to the correct narrative, which this was likely the result of a laboratory leak or potentially intentionally released from the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China.
The U.S. government and the different agencies now are all trying to jockey in position to pin the blame on China.
This is the narrative shift.
That's taking place and I'm not going to allow that to happen.
Another interesting thing that's happening here is that this past week my book was acquired by a filmmaker and a producer in Hollywood after I received several different offers and they're going to make a feature film out of my book.
Simultaneously, all these different congressional hearings are heating up.
steve bannon
Hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it.
I love your optimism.
Are you saying in Hollywood that you could make, Hollywood is controlled by the CCP, are you actually saying that you think, I take it was not a studio, these are independent producers, you don't give me their names, but these are independent producers not associated with a studio?
andrew huff
They're independent producers backed by A-list Hollywood people, I can say that.
I'd say they're aligned with our cause, and I think many of them are seeing through the BS. Many of those people, actually, they're vaccine injured or they lost their jobs in Hollywood, and many of the people on the left are coming over to the right or to the libertarian side, depending on how you want to look at it, on this issue.
And yeah, the lefties who read my book said, this is the only thing that I've read that makes sense.
And that was from a famous Hollywood screenwriter.
steve bannon
So tell me, so walk me through, what is the truth about Wuhan?
And even now, you're seeing it totally obfuscated.
I mean, the DOE thing was strong, but it's not as strong.
I mean, these are dead certainties.
I mean, it's a level four PLA run Directly reported to the CCP, which has a network of these labs, both levels three and a couple of level fours throughout the country, that are all inextricably linked, tied together to their biological weapons program, sir. Yes, so there's a number of things.
andrew huff
And going back to this Department of Energy report, this is actually the second report.
So the first report from the Department of Energy came out in 2021.
That was from Lawrence Livermore Laboratory, their Z department, which is their intelligence wing.
This past week, the new report is from Los Alamos National Laboratory, which was the sister laboratory where I was doing this kind of work at Sandia National Laboratory.
And that was from scientists. So technically, there's actually three different government assessments now, which are pinning this to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
There's a lot to talk about here, and I'll try to break this down as concisely as I can.
The United States was trading advanced biotechnology from Dr.
Ralph Barrick's laboratory and Dr.
Ian Lipkin's laboratories at Columbia University and the University of North Carolina via where I was a vice president, EcoHealth Alliance, to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
The reason why this trade went down was that the United States government was trying to collect intelligence on the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
The only way to get Westerners into that laboratory was through giving them something.
It wasn't the money, it wasn't the contract or the grant that they needed.
The money is almost laughable.
$400,000 or $500,000 from the US government to the Chinese is not going to be enough to do a lot of complicated biodefense or bioweapons Or even dual-use research of concern, which this falls under, effectively making it a bioweapon.
So here we are transferring this advanced biotechnology to the Chinese, so we can sort of see what's going on in the laboratory.
The Chinese pull a fast one on us, and they're doing this in unsafe conditions, and it leaks out of their laboratory, quite predictably so.
And then that, you know, the interesting thing here where I think Director Ray is lying.
steve bannon
Hold it, hold it. Hang on.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hang on for a second.
Hang on for a second. Hang on for a second. Directed evolution or the gain of function, which is really the powering up of these viruses, was so dangerous that, correct me if I'm wrong, I think it's when they started seeing reports come out of the University of Maryland, which is essentially a commuter college, That members of the National Security Council and others in the Obama administration moved immediately to shut down gain-of-function experiments, correct?
Including Dr. Barak and particularly Dr.
Barak at the University of North Carolina and I think down at the University of Texas in Galveston.
There was a hold put on that.
So are you telling me during that time that we had a hold in the United States because it's too dangerous for us to do in labs that are controlled at the highest levels that the intelligence agencies thought it was a good idea to allow the same technology, which is essentially weaponization or directed evolution,
whatever you want to call it, to the Wuhan lab, which, currently if wrong, had just come online under the French built it, and the French were supposed to oversee it, but they got kicked out Right away, because they didn't want prying eyes, that somebody in our government, somebody in our intelligence services thought it was a good idea to allow these totally unsupervised level four labs to have this advanced technology?
Is that your theory of the case?
andrew huff
That's exactly my theory of the case.
And it's a little bit more like when the domestic ban of gain of function kicks in, In 2014, EcoHealth Alliance, where I was working, becomes the vessel to then do this domestically band gain-of-function work, outsource it to the Chinese, simultaneously giving them advanced biotechnology, both methods and materials, effectively bringing their bioweapons program up to speed.
Because we actually thought when I was working at San Diego National Laboratories that their bioweapons program was probably 10 to 15 years behind US technology.
So it's really through this partnership via EcoHealth Alliance where we bring them up to speed.
And where the intelligence angle comes in on this is that Peter Jasik told me that he was working with the Central Intelligence Agency.
And specifically, they're interested in the data we are collecting, the places we are working, that being China.
Hold it, hold it.
steve bannon
Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
It gets banned. And they actually have a National Security Council meeting about it being banned.
Quite frankly, people are surprised that what's the University of Maryland doing?
What are they doing? What's Barrick doing down in North Carolina?
There's so much confusion that People don't know what's going on.
They put a hard ban on it.
And people should understand, putting hard bans on scientific research is pretty extraordinary.
Who thought, if they're 10 and 15 years behind, and we do know, because they've had to come and sign protocols, they're a signatory to the original biological weapons treaty.
But every time we let them in the World Trade Organization, or I think even when they had to get permission, we had to have them grant them to let the French build the Wuhan lab.
They always have to come clean, and they always come clean that they're cheating on the biological weapons program consistently from the beginning.
Are you telling me that Central Intelligence Agency, the intelligence services, against the Obama administration's National Security Council and others who were adamant?
I think this was a unanimous vote to say, no, unanimous unanimity and coming together.
We've got to stop it here. It's too dangerous.
We've got to review what's going on.
That at that time, that Daszak's telling you that guys at the CIA thought it was good to, quote-unquote, get them up to speed from 15 years behind on their rudimentary yet dangerous, already offensive biological weapons program?
andrew huff
Well, Dr. Daszak didn't go into that level of detail.
And actually, when he asked me, he approached me as if he were looking for advice whether or not we should work with the CIA. In hindsight, looking back, I don't know if EcoHealth Alliance is already working with the CIA, which seems more likely, or if this was actually a new endeavor, a new business opportunity for EcoHealth Alliance and Dr.
Daszak. What this does suggest, though, is that either the Central Intelligence Agency is either terribly incompetent and they weren't aware of this gain-of-function work happening at the Wuhan Institute of Virology being transferred from United States academic institutions, or they're in on it.
steve bannon
Just for the audience, Dr.
Huff, I just want to make sure people know.
When we talk about this gain of function, we talk about this area of biology, and particularly bioweapons, and the research that's done at Fort Detrick and other places, the weapons labs, in a defensive posture.
I remember on my Navy ship, as bad as nuclear weapons were, in the order of priority of the most dangerous, biological was top, chemical was second.
Nuclear weapons and the radiation, as bad as that was, was third.
The biological and chemical are so hard to control.
That has to lead you to say, oh my God, how do we even control this?
You can see this from East Palestine, Ohio, with the phosgene gas that was used in World War I and the problems we've had there.
Didn't it strike you, being a professional, that this was kind of shocking to say that we would be transferring the weapons making that is just as significant and probably more significant than making nuclear bombs to the Chinese Communist Party, and particularly to people who are not at the level of sophistication to be able to manage this or handle it?
andrew huff
Oh, well, absolutely.
And so, when I first started working at EcoHealth Alliance, I was hired as a senior scientist.
I was incredibly successful.
I was a top-performing employee, and then I brought in about $6.5 million within my first year of new research funding.
Primarily due to that, I'm promoted to vice president.
And once I'm promoted to vice president, my butt's on the line.
And having worked in national security much of my life, I actually bring this up at one of the executive meetings.
I said, I actually went to Dr.
Daszak and I said, aren't you the slightest bit concerned that the Chinese are going to do something nefarious with this or they're going to rip off the company or steal our intellectual property?
Because really, I was looking out for myself and Equal Health Alliance, not even so much just the national security context of just being good stewards of our company.
And Dr. Daszak was very flippant in his response, you know, well, we're going to do this work.
steve bannon
You go through this in the book, and I want to make sure you do it.
Dr. Daszak, as our own Natalie Winters has, because we talked about this in the first week we started doing War Room Pandemic back in, right after Chinese New Year's, in Lunar New Year in 2020.
With your concern, Dr.
Daszak really became the most prominent voice early on for this just came between a mongoose, you know, kissing something else.
And it transferred up 1,000 miles into the wet market, right?
A Pangol or whatever it is.
Didn't Daszak, even before Fauci, wasn't Daszak the guy that was most out in front of this?
andrew huff
Well, absolutely. And that's all part of the psychological operation, which I was planned and orchestrated by the U.S. government, globalist entities, and multinational corporations.
You have to look at the facts here.
The narrative that has been spun by the U.S. government that China is to blame and they lied to us, like Director Wray was saying from the FBI, It's BS. They know exactly when this disease emerged.
It emerged in August or September of 2019.
And I believe the U.S. government catches wind of it in October, maybe November at the latest.
But after the World Military Games in Wuhan, which take place in late October of 2019, there are service members from all over the world that report getting sick.
And, you know, I used to serve in the military.
I worked with the Department of Defense.
I actually worked on their biosurveillance system to develop the technology to detect these types of emerging infectious disease threats.
And I know how well they work and what their limitations are.
And this is absolutely something that they would have detected.
So by the time Dr.
Daszak comes into the story and then, you know, he's put in charge of the origin investigation with the WHO, this is all smoke and mirrors being broadcast for the world.
steve bannon
Let's go back. When you say it was August and September, we got a pretty good trail of receipts to know it was at least late December when all this starts going back and forth between the Chinese CDC and others.
And we know about the World Military Games and the people sick there in October.
How do you actually get to August and September?
andrew huff
Well, you know, the government really screwed up when they decided to call me a fringe epidemiologist and come after me because I'm actually trained as a forensic criminal epidemiologic investigator by the FBI. So one of the ways that you can get at this problem is that there are people donating blood all over the world continuously.
And it acts like a historical record.
So what some smart epidemiologists like myself did in Europe is they actually went and looked at blood bank donations of all the fall and winter of 2019 and into the summer.
And what they found was that when they tested these blood bank donations with serology tests that they were positive versus SARS-CoV-2 coronaviruses.
And then they went and asked those people, you know, Conduct a little detective work.
You know, where had you been? Who had you been in contact with?
And it all traces back to Wuhan, China.
steve bannon
The Wuhan lab itself was opened, I think, was it late 2008 when the Frenchman actually came online?
Because I remember a couple of State Department employees went down there.
I think one from the local consulate in Wuhan and one from actually Beijing from the embassy went down And had a, not even an inspection tour, but a get to know you and kind of stick around and look at processes.
And they actually sent a memo back, I believe, a cable, as it's called, saying, hey, we ought to go to DEFCON 1 on this.
This is the most unsupervised amateur hour thing we've ever seen, and this could lead to big problems.
With Wuhan, when you say you're doing the blood checkings in August or September, this is literally in the first year of its operation?
andrew huff
Well, no, that would have been 2019.
So not in this first year of operation.
So this would have been September or August of 2019.
So I don't think that's quite within its year.
steve bannon
It actually— No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
But when did Wuhan actually— My point is that this came out of Wuhan immediately upon its being stood up.
As a level 4 laboratory.
andrew huff
I think that's a slight misunderstanding.
So the Wuhan Institute of Virology had existed for quite some period of time.
So Equal Health Alliance, according to the documents I have released online, started working with the Wuhan Institute of Virology in 2012 or 2013.
And that's in the Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus proposal.
I left the Equal Health Alliance in 2016.
What happens from 2014 to 2019 is that they continue, they being Equal Health Alliance, continues to work with the Wuhan Institute of Virology on this gain-of-function research, and it becomes more advanced up into the point where they submit a proposal to the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency in, I think it was 2018, looking to aerosolize bat viruses and vaccines.
And DARPA says, oh my god, this is the craziest thing that we've ever seen.
steve bannon
We're not going to fund this. So your work with in 2014 essentially coincides, my point is, coincides with it being shut down in the United States.
Immediately, and the Virology Institute I know is different.
They got the P4 lab too.
It's the same location but different entity.
controlled by PLA and CCP. But you're saying the intelligence services with either Echo Health Alliance as a cutout or as a contractor, you pick it, was transferring this type of expertise and technology or gain of function from at least around 2014,
2015, which was simultaneously the same time that the U.S. government Deemed it was too risky to be done here in laboratories and under scientists that are at the highest level of understanding and safety, correct?
andrew huff
Oh, absolutely. That's exactly what happened.
steve bannon
So you're saying if we had a congressional investigation and you were a witness, you would testify to all that under oath?
andrew huff
Oh, I've already given a deposition under oath with penalty of perjury with attorney Tom Renz.
I've also given sworn affidavits under oath with penalty of perjury stating all these facts.
You know, one of the craziest things that also happened while I worked at Equal Health Alliance, so once I'm promoted to vice president, I asked to be added to the USAID PREDICT program, so that's the United States Agency for International Development.
And this gain-of-function work and this going-around-the-world phishing for coronaviruses actually began under USAID, which is sometimes jokingly referred to as CIA-like.
So here they are going around the world collecting these coronaviruses.
They begin the gain-of-function work under USAID. And the nice thing is I think I finally convinced everyone in Congress because Senator Rand Paul about two weeks ago came out and he was using my talking points and he finally got it right.
He said, yeah, USAID was the program where this gain-of-function work I'm completely willing to testify.
Another really interesting thing happened in my story.
About three weeks ago now, I received a letter from the Russian Federation requesting that I help them investigate the biolaboratories in Ukraine, which I'm quite familiar with.
And also the origin of COVID. And there was sort of a thin-veiled threat.
If I didn't cooperate with an investigation, that I could be guilty of some Russian crime.
So here I used to have a top-seeker clearance working and all this stuff.
So I had to notify the FBI and the Department of Energy and a number of other three-letter agencies that used to work with that.
Here's the Russians asking me to assist with their investigation.
So I posted that to social media and then said, hey, this is funny that the Russians want me to help with the COVID investigation, but I haven't been requested by anyone in Congress to come in and testify.
Well, shortly thereafter, Marjorie Taylor Greene's staff got ahold of me and asked me if I'd be willing to testify, a soft ask, and I said yes.
So I'm not sure what poker game they're playing, but my biggest concern is, looking at the way that Congress is spinning the narrative right now, trying to pin the blame on China, is that maybe I won't be called to testify because I'm going to stick to my guns.
This is mostly a U.S. problem.
Without the United States funding this dangerous gain-of-function work, giving them the advanced biotechnology, SARS-CoV-2 never would have been made, and it never would have leaped out of their laboratory.
We wouldn't co-develop the dangerous mRNA jabs, and we wouldn't have all these people who were sick and dying from the disease and also from the side effects of the vaccine.
steve bannon
Did you ever bring up to Peter Daszak that these guys are a decade or so in back of us on this?
Why would the intelligence services, why would we want to transfer the most dangerous technology and processes that are even banned here in the United States that ever come up?
andrew huff
No, and I don't think he necessarily would have understood that conversation.
I think that, you know, Dr.
Daszak is mostly a figurehead for the organization and his scientific abilities are fairly weak.
And his understanding of national security issues.
I mean, he was always very flippant with security.
And when I identified problems, for example, I was sitting in another meeting after I'd been assigned to USAID PREDICT program, and I was assigned South Sudan and Jordan as countries as my first two countries.
And you operate very much as a scientific diplomat.
You go over there, you have to meet with the diplomatic mission, usually the ambassador from the US, plus all the different agency heads in the In Jordan, for example, you meet with the Ministry of Health, the Ministry of Agriculture, the university president.
It's a big dog and pony show.
They're taking a bunch of pictures. Plus, you meet with all the scientists, and you go inspect the laboratories.
When I started taking a look at these laboratories and the capabilities and trying to sense how capable and well-trained the scientists were that were working in these facilities, I became a little worried because in Jordan specifically, we were on the hunt for Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome virus.
It's a coronavirus. And you could argue it's a relative of SARS. And when I see the conditions that they're working in and I get a sense of how well these people are trained that we're going to execute the workforce on a contract that's concerned.
So when I went back to Ecos Alliance after this trip, I told them that I had serious safety concerns about the way that we were actually managing bio risk at all our international laboratories.
steve bannon
Dr. Huff, can you hang on?
We're going to take a short commercial break.
We're going to return tomorrow.
I just want to make sure before we go to break.
You're saying this around 2014, 2015.
So it was in the Biden administration during the time that they shut it down here.
Their CIA, led by John Brennan, actually worked with Peter Dosick and Echo Health Alliance to transfer that technology to a Chinese Communist Party lab.
Okay, just a short commercial break.
Dr. Andrew Huff, The Truth About Wuhan is the book.
He's the author and one of the key figures here.
Take a short break. Back in a moment.
unidentified
Ben K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome back.
Our guest is Dr.
Andrew Huff. So, Dr.
Huff, if you were to testify in the coronavirus committee right now that Marjorie Taylor Greene's on, of course, they've got the Chinese Gallagher's committee.
They've got all these investigations going on.
If you're to testify, you would recommend to them that John Brennan, the head of the CIA under President Obama, be called to testify because this, to your knowledge, and you have essentially first-hand knowledge, was a CIA-directed program to transfer this technology to the PLA and the Chinese Communist Party?
andrew huff
I don't know if it was a CIA-directed program.
What I do know is that my boss, Dr.
Peter Daszak, told me that he was working with the CIA. So whatever that means, in what context, I think there should be further questioning of Dr.
Daszak and the CIA to validate that claim.
steve bannon
But Echo Health Alliance, you don't have the right.
You didn't have the right as a company to transfer that technology.
Unless the U.S. government signed off on it, you just don't have the right to take this type of very dangerous technology that's essentially banned here in the United States from experimentation.
Any company doesn't have the right to just take it to Wuhan and sell it to them or make some sort of arrangement where they can use it, correct?
andrew huff
Well, I think if you look at ex-part control law, I think this might be a gray area.
I went and looked at it myself. I'm not an attorney.
But those questions should be asked, and there should be an investigation into that.
steve bannon
The money itself for the Chinese lab to actually pay for it, was that coming through some grant that Dossett got that was paid for, or the Chinese actually paid for it out of their own pocket?
andrew huff
I believe that some of it came from the U.S. taxpayers, but I think the bigger issue here, and it's sort of fun to ask people, do you think the Chinese need $500,000 of American money to do gain-of-function work?
steve bannon
I have no idea. I would not know.
I'm not a scientist. But my point is that the U.S. government, was the U.S. government paid for it?
Well, first off, they don't know how to do the level of gain of function you're talking about.
They don't actually have the technology or understand the processes to do that, correct?
andrew huff
Yeah, you're absolutely correct.
And the point where I was going with my question is it's almost laughable.
There's no amount of money that we would need to give the Chinese for them to conduct gain-of-function work independently.
It could be $1 million, it could be $10 million of U.S. taxpayer money.
The Chinese don't need it.
They have plenty of money and they're loaning all their money to us.
So the thing that the Chinese really wanted here was the advanced biotechnology and the methods and the training, and that's what they got.
steve bannon
And in that, Dasek, you believed as doing this, Dasek had full approval of the U.S. government, correct?
andrew huff
Well, absolutely. I mean, if they're signing off on the contracts and they're approving the work and they're reimbursing all the travel expenses, this has been approved by the U.S. government.
One of the interesting things are facts.
steve bannon
Hang on.
So what department approved?
You said signed the contracts, approved the travel, all this.
If it's not the Central Intelligence Agency, what department was it?
NIH? Was it one of Fauci's deals?
andrew huff
So USAID first.
And then after USAID, it was NIH. And then after that, it's hard to say.
And Equal Health Alliance was a profitable non-profit organization.
They also received donations from a number of different non-profit organizations.
Like, I'm trying to think back here, but so, for example, the Google Foundation made donations.
There were data sharing agreements with the Wellcome Trust.
The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation was an indirect supporter of a lot of the work.
So here you have a lot of these type of globalists and tech companies funneling resources into EcoHealth Alliance.
And then that's non-discretionary funding.
So then EcoHealth Alliance could use that funding however they wanted to.
Another organization that was involved was the Rockefeller Foundation in funding work.
So not necessarily all of it had to come from the U.S. government.
The fact of the matter is you had Americans doing this work, transferring the technology to the Chinese.
It should have been picked up by the intelligence community and it should have been stopped.
steve bannon
Dr. Huff, how can people get the book?
How can they follow you on social media and your website so you can see when you're going to speak, when you're going to do your media hits, and follow your writings?
andrew huff
Sure. So if you want a signed copy, you can pick it up on andrewhuff.com.
If you just want a normal copy of the book, you can get it at pretty much any big box store, Amazon, Walmart, Target, etc.
And if you want to follow me on social media, I'm pretty active on Twitter.
It's aghuff, H-U-F-F, and also on Getter and Truth Social, the same handle.
steve bannon
Dr. Huff, thank you. Explosive, and we look forward to seeing the movie, and we look forward to seeing who do you pick to, as early call, who do you pick to play you?
andrew huff
I don't know yet. We were trying to figure that out.
I was already sitting down with the writers and the producers and the filmmaker trying to figure out what we want to do.
If you go for big names, it costs more.
They make the movie less profitable, so I'm not sure yet.
steve bannon
I'd go with Brad Pitt, but hey, that's just me.
Thank you very much, Dr.
unidentified
Andrew Huff. Appreciate it. Thank you for having me again.
steve bannon
The new federal states at CPAC, they're going to be there with us the entire weekend.
But I want to go quickly to Rebecca Koffler.
Rebecca, you've got this piece up in the New York Post from earlier in January talking about the intelligence services and the thing.
Now you've got Andrew Huff, who is at Echo Health Alliance, saying, hey, The CIA had a big hand in transferring technology to the CCP, and that's going to be a big explosion.
I think he's going to testify. I think they're going to get guys over from the television.
Give us your overview, your former DIA. Why are we sitting here, and we played it at the Open, why are we sitting here on March 1st of 2023 and we're whining about the CCP not cooperating with us?
rebekah koffler
Why? It's because this is the biggest intelligence failure, Steve, since September 11th.
Remember, the terrorist attacks killed about 3,000 Americans.
This Chinese Wuhan virus killed more than 1 million Americans and 7 million people all over the world.
And it's because despite billions of dollars that we pump in as taxpayers into our intelligence, they can't protect us from these threats, whether it's China, whether it's virus, Russia-Ukraine conflict.
Iran until these threats actually materialize.
Look, he made a very excellent point, Dr.
Kav. And by the way, I do have the book.
I was going to ask you for a while to get him on your program, and here he is.
So what I can bring to this conversation is the knowledge of China's biological warfare doctrine, which is part of of its unrestricted warfare doctrine that the two Chinese colonels described in this book.
Believe it or not, not only the intelligence community, but also the State Department knew as early as 2005 that China did have an offensive biological warfare program.
The Wuhan Institute, together with the so-called Fifth Institute, We're developing the weaponizations of SARS coronavirus so that they can use them as what they call a genetic weapon.
Okay? And this was all known.
This is back in 2005.
So imagine how many years we've had to be able to counter those kinds of developments and prevent the threat that killed a million of Americans.
steve bannon
Rebecca, hang on one second.
I'm going to go to Prince and Nicole.
I'm going to come right back to you. Let's go over to CPAC, and they're going to join us.
They're going to be with us all week, Nicole and Prince.
Now, Carl, I want to start with you.
Given the interview we just had about Wuhan and about transfer of technology and Wuhan working in the American intelligence services, and you've got Rebecca Koffler that says it's a huge failure.
The PLA and CCP had an active offensive biological weapons program.
In the new federal state, this is pretty much known by all the members of the new federal state, and we talk about it all the time.
There's no secrets here.
That being said, what did you think last night of the kickoff for the China Select Committee, where they're talking about their strategic competitors, and it seemed very, very lightweight, very namby-pamby?
What is your initial assessment, given the controversy over Wuhan to what happened last night on Capitol Hill?
nicole tsai
Yes, absolutely. So remember, the CCP virus killed more than 1 million American people's lives.
And we're talking about competition.
No, this is not about the competition.
This is a life-and-death threat.
CCP is the existential threat to America, to American people's life, liberty, and the future.
And I would also argue that I saw on the news that there were two protesters holding a sign to say China is not our enemy and stop the Asian hate.
So I would say if we want to fight the Asian hate, if we want peace, love, and unity, we need to take down the CCP. Xenophobia, racist is the CCP, and this country needs to stand united together against the CCP. In this country, I think the Chinese Americans should be leading the crusade against the CCP. Last night, Prince, before I go to you, I want to just follow up with Nicole.
steve bannon
One of the congressmen came on because the signs up there saying China is not our enemy.
As you know, I'm one of the co-founders with Miles of the new federal state.
Absolutely, China is not the enemy, and the Chinese people are not the enemy.
The enemy is the CCP, and the CCP is number one.
What they're trying to destroy is Lao Bajing, is the Chinese people.
What didn't the protesters understand about that?
nicole tsai
Well, I think the protesters actually are saying the exact very truth that we want to promote.
We love China. We love the Chinese people.
But the CCP does not represent China nor the Chinese people.
In fact, the CCP wants to conflate the CCP and the Chinese people and China.
So I think the protesters need to be well educated.
And I think all the American people should also understand the clear difference between the CCP and China and Chinese people.
And I would also credit, you know, a big time to you and Mr.
Mao-Sung, who have been educating the Western society about the difference, which is critical because we do not want the CCP to criminalize all the Asian Americans, especially the Chinese Americans.
When we're fighting the CCP, this is not a racism.
We're fighting the CCP who is the biggest racist against the Chinese people.
And China is not our enemy.
China is our friend. And we need to establish the real relationship with the Chinese people who are not represented by the CCP. That would be the new federal state of China as a start.
steve bannon
Prince, let me go to you. I noticed, because this has all come up in the last 72 hours, ever since Xi said he's going to meet with Zelensky, and Zelensky says, I think there's some interesting things in the peace plan.
I noticed, Prince, that Miles Guo and Steve Bannon's war room are still not on Twitter.
Not that I'm complaining. I'm a Getter guy, exclusive to Getter.
I love Getter. I don't need Twitter and would never go there.
And one of the reasons I said I'd never go there is that Elon Musk is completely financed by the CCP. Now, Elon Musk put up one little tweet, I think, about Wuhan over the weekend, and the CCP came and said, hey, shut up.
If you don't shut up, we're going to pull the Tesla deal, which I've been saying from the beginning.
The reason he won't allow back the hardest core anti-CCP fighters is he's more compromised than Biden, or as compromised, because all of his cash comes out of Tesla.
What is your assessment of that, Prince?
unidentified
Thank you, Mr. Bannon.
And, you know, you were so right to point that the Chinese Communist Party factor out in the entire Twitter deal.
And I would even argue that behind Elon Musk and, you know, in relation to the investigation regarding the CCP virus, the American public ought to ask, why has it taken the American government this long after one million dead Americans to investigate the origins of this virus?
And why hasn't the Twitter deal been stopped or investigated?
Because, well, there's a potential CCP influence in there, which is the greatest adversary to America's existence.
So the real answer here is, Mr.
Bannon, that we have to clean out America first.
We have to root out the corruptions in this country, the establishment, who have been for so long.
Be in bed together with the CCP. They're getting too comfortable with it.
Now, remember, it was merely years after the American embargo on the Soviet Union that the Berlin Wall fell and visited the Soviet Union.
So as soon as the U.S. decouples from the CCP, the communist regime will fall on its own corrupt ways.
The Chinese people have enjoyed 5,000 years of thriving civilization without the CCP, and given that track record, I think they can do just as fine.
steve bannon
Thank you, sir. Nicole, let me go back to you on something Prince just said.
We've had Ray, the FBI director, and others on TV all weekend giving interviews, and people are making Prince's point.
They say, well, hold it. This is three years.
It's three years later.
What's going on? And they go, well, we can't make any more progress because the CCP won't cooperate with us.
The PLA won't cooperate with us.
They won't let us really get into Wuhan.
They won't let us talk to the doctors.
Is that the saddest thing you've ever heard, that the United States government is sitting there going, oh, but the CCP won't cooperate, so we just got to shrug our shoulders, and it's tough luck for the one million people, for the trillions of dollars, for the seven million people worldwide.
What would be the new federal state of China's recommendation of what the U.S. government should do to get to the bottom, the truth about the Wuhan lab, ma'am?
nicole tsai
Well, you don't negotiate with a criminal or a murderer.
The CCP has more than 90 million members.
But only more than a little over 100 people are considered the klaptocrats who control 99 % of the wealth.
And you know what? They place their wives, sons, children, and their assets in the United States of America.
So it's very easy for America to do is to apply the Global Magnusky Act or RICO Act, freeze their asset.
And, you know, cut off their asset.
This is the best way and the easiest way for American people, American government to sanction the CCP. And again, sanctioning the CCP is the best way to free China.
And this is the reason why we come to the CPAC and we have a very important message to share with all the freedom-loving American people that were here only to ask America, please stop.
giving introvert therapy or giving the financial blood and all the technology are transferred to the CCP because if America stop helping the CCP, the new federal state of China led by Mr.
Mao Zedong and Steve K. Bannon, we can take down the CCP within 100 days.
steve bannon
Prince, to wrap up here, is there any way that you can get to the bottom of this unless you play hardball with the CCP? Is the CCP a group, is this group anybody you can compromise with since they've stonewalled us for three years?
Or is your recommendation you have to play hardball?
unidentified
I think you absolutely have to play hardball, and I think that's an inevitable way, and there's no other way that's in the interest of the American people, that three years ago, Mr.
Bannon, that Miles Gore exposed the 13759 plan at the national press conference, and then he came on to the war room show to tell the entire world the truth about this long-plan biological war by the CCP. So if a country, if a regime like the CCP has spent several decades preparing for this war, Do you think they're just going to give up unless we play hardball?
So we think we absolutely have to do it.
steve bannon
We will see you at CPAC. They will be among our first guests and contributors at Tomorrow We Kick Off Live.
It's Nicole and Prince.
Guys, how do people get to the new federal states, the great shows?
We weren't able to do our Wednesday interview, but what's the social media?
How do they get to it on Getter?
nicole tsai
You can follow Mr.
Miles Guo on Getter and NFSC Speaks on Getter.
And we also have a beautiful booth here.
We're at the booth 422 and we also have two most magnificent media booths.
That's 31 and 32.
Stop by and we look forward to seeing you.
unidentified
Thank you, sir. We're going to get everybody there.
steve bannon
By the way, that booth right there is magnificent.
I am so jealous right now.
That's fantastic. So thank you guys.
Look forward to seeing you tomorrow. Thank you.
Thank you. That's Nicole's the host.
Thank you, Brent. Thank you, Nicole.
Nicole's the host of the show.
Let me go back to Rebecca Koffler.
Rebecca, do you agree, isn't it, you're a former DIA, and you guys are pretty, those are pretty tough hombres over at DIA. Is that a little embarrassing for the intelligence services and the FBI, Chris Wray to be whining to Bret Baier?
Well, they won't help us. You know, they're not cooperating.
They're not going to help us.
They haven't... That is absurd.
What should be done here, Rebecca Koffler?
We've got a couple of minutes. Walk through the Rebecca Koffler plan to get to the bottom of this.
rebekah koffler
Sure. This is absolutely absurd.
They should not be relying on the people who actually potentially engineered this virus to actually confirm the intelligence assessment.
I mean, they have...
Chinese experts, so-called experts, serve as fact-checkers.
It is absolutely naive.
But the problem is this.
The question is whether it is an intelligence failure or, as Dr.
Huff said, Is it a cover-up?
And I am more and more leaning to assess that this is actually a cover-up.
Because, Steve, back in December, when the Intelligence Oversight Committee, both in the Senate and on the House side, tried to do an investigation, the intelligence agencies failed to come clean.
They did not disclose the fact that the COVID-19 pandemic was consistent with China's biological weapons program.
These weapons, the Chinese view them as soft weapons, and they have advantage, according to the Chinese military theorists, with the Hard weapons like nuclear weapons and conventional weapons.
Why? It's because they can be used in peacetime.
And actually, the Chinese theorists describe exactly the situation that we experienced during the COVID pandemic.
They said this weapon could be used as genetic weapon in order to attack the population of the adversary and to strain their medical system so that it creates chaos and economic disaster.
And this was all known.
And the intelligence agencies failed to disclose this to the American people and to oversight committees.
steve bannon
Rebecca, we've got to bounce real quickly.
How do they get to your book and how do they get to your website?
rebekah koffler
RebeccaCoffler.com is my website.
I'm on Twitter, Getter, and Truth Social at Rebecca0132.
Thank you for having me.
steve bannon
Amazing. We're going to be back on in the next couple of days to talk about Iran.
A potential war exploding in the Middle East.
Rebecca Kaufman is all over from DIA. Okay.
It's the eve of CPAC. We're going to be live there tomorrow.
You're not going to want to miss it.
Nicole and Prince will be there.
We're going to have a lot of surprises tomorrow starting to see you at 10 a.m.
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