Feb. 28, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is what you're fighting for. | ||
| I mean, every day you're out there. | ||
| What they're doing is blowing people off. | ||
| If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians get total control and total power. | ||
| Because this is just like in Arizona. | ||
| This is just like in Georgia. It's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and misrepresentations. | ||
| This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged. | ||
| As we've told you, this is the fight. | ||
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All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth. | |
| War Room. Battleground. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | |
| All right. Well, as you can see, Jack Posobiec here sitting in for Stephen K. Bannon while Steve is off fighting the regime once more. | ||
| But fortunately for all of us here in the audience that I've got sitting next to me, riding shotgun as well, the beautiful and lovely Tanya Tay Posobiec. | ||
| Sweetheart, thank you so much for joining us today. | ||
| Thank you for having me. So when you woke up this morning, you didn't even know that you were going to be hosting, did you? | ||
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Well, what I've realized in our marriage is every time I wake up is a new day full of adventures with you. | |
| I did promise. And I never know. | ||
| I did promise that it would never be boring. | ||
| That it would never once be boring. | ||
| And have I kept that promise? Every single day. | ||
| Every single day, yeah. | ||
| When, you know, when we're not having people show up outside of our house screaming. | ||
| Just kidding. Just kidding. Never happened. | ||
| Never happened. But wanted to get into the news, but because we have here Richard Barris, the People's Pundit. | ||
| Now, Richard and I haven't spoken in a little while, but we're getting closer now. | ||
| To the primary season, we've got a couple of candidates that have kicked off, and I wanted to bring Richard on to kind of explain to us what he's looking at and what the big data poll is looking at in terms of the electorate right now. | ||
| Do we have Richard? Yes. | ||
| Richard, are you up? Sure am, buddy. | ||
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How you been? Been great. | |
| How are you, my friend? Living the dream as always. | ||
| It's good to be back on. | ||
| And hello, Tanya. It's lovely to see you. | ||
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Laura says hello. Great to see you. | |
| And say hi from me, too. | ||
| So, Richard, I wanted to get into this because we've seen a lot of these polls out there lately. | ||
| I'm sure you've seen them as well. | ||
| We're looking at the primary field. | ||
| Pretty much all of them at this point are including DeSantis, even though he has not announced. | ||
| I think there's kind of a will-he-won't-he sort of situation going on right there. | ||
| But certainly people are including him. | ||
| He's doing numbers, the Washington Post. | ||
| Just had a huge story yesterday saying that if you look at the numbers for where Trump and DeSantis are, they're both in that line of where you've seen a lot of people go on to eventually win the nomination. | ||
| You've also seen other candidates out there like Nikki Haley, who's thrown her hat in, Vivek Ramaswamy has thrown his hat in. | ||
| Another name who will be speaking later this week at CPAC is Mike Pompeo. | ||
| I think there's a lot of questions about him. | ||
| There's even kind of a I sort of buzz around the neocon warmonger John Bolton as well. | ||
| So I wanted to get your take on what you're seeing with the Republican primary electorate right now in terms of all these polls. | ||
| Where do things stand? | ||
| Do you think Trump has it locked up? | ||
| Or do you think, like the Washington Post is saying, that Republican primary voters are ready to move on from Donald Trump? | ||
| Yeah, so we are including Mike Pompeo in our polling. | ||
| We're including, you know, we're not going crazy like some of these other polls where we're just wildly speculating. | ||
| If there's real talk, Jack, and you know and I know we speak to people whether something is serious or not. | ||
| Nikki Haley is in there. | ||
| Mike Pence is in there. | ||
| Donald Trump's in there. DeSantis is in there. | ||
| And I, look... | ||
| It's early, but to say that they're ready to move on from Trump is ridiculous. | ||
| The fact is we did see him tick down after the midterms, but then he popped right back up, Jack, and he's looking like he's stronger than in any time before. | ||
| We also include someone else, so we're gauging how many people are just not for Trump. | ||
| But the fact is he's been in the majority numbers now. | ||
| So it's early, but it's hard to say he's not an early favorite. | ||
| DeSantis voters are more educated voters and a Republican primary. | ||
| And I just want to say this. They're college-educated voters. | ||
| There's a big difference in my mind. | ||
| And Republican primary is not dominated by these voters. | ||
| So if it's working class and Trump is still thumping everybody by 32, 35 points, then it will be Donald Trump. | ||
| Somebody has to pick away the working coalition from Trump. | ||
| That's it. It really is that simple. | ||
| So when you're looking at this in terms of it, are you doing national electorate or are you going state by state? | ||
| Are you doing any early states looking at anything like that? | ||
| We'll do early states fairly soon, but right now we're just looking at the national trend because a couple of months ago I wanted to get a baseline and we'll have a trend from there. | ||
| These early states tend to move with those national numbers, if people remember. | ||
| Ted Cruz was the state favorite, except for the Seltzer poll. | ||
| He was the state favorite going into the Iowa caucus, but those national numbers were moving so quickly in 2016 that Trump almost beat him. | ||
| And he would have beat him if it wasn't for the dirty Carson dropped out trick, which I don't know if everybody remembers, but I can actually make a strong mathematical argument that Cruz would not have won the Iowa caucus if he didn't pull that dirty trick. | ||
| And then obviously by the time we got to New Hampshire, that was Trump's first pretty big win. | ||
| He took every county in South Carolina, swept those 50 delegates. | ||
| So we're looking at the national this early because it really is a good indicator. | ||
| The states will lag behind, but they will follow the national numbers. | ||
| The momentum will, for the most part. | ||
| For the most part. Well, and people, by the way, people forget that trick all the way back in early 2016. | ||
| This was the first competition, right? | ||
| It's not a primary, it's a caucus. | ||
| But there was this, was it a call or was it an email? | ||
| I remember that went out and then it went out to press and it started getting reported everywhere that Carson had dropped out and that was urging people to vote for Cruz and it just wasn't true. | ||
| It wasn't true at all. Yeah, it was both. | ||
| It was an email that went out that we're robocalling. | ||
| And for people who don't understand the Iowa caucus, Trump had no precinct captains. | ||
| He had no infrastructure. He just had these, like, base, grassroots people, unaffiliated with the campaign, making the case at each caucus site. | ||
| Whereas Cruz had precinct captains, and he had infrastructure, and he had people who were associated and knew the Carson people. | ||
| So he would go out. | ||
| Carson did not have that whole area covered. | ||
| And his team went out and basically, at last minute, said, Carson dropped out. | ||
| He wants you to back Cruz. | ||
| And they made that case. | ||
| And look, it's not just me. | ||
| Even Karl Rove. And, of course, Karl Rove was anti-Trump. | ||
| But even Karl Rove said, look, the math is right. | ||
| Those who are saying this are making a legitimate point. | ||
| And it's not – we're talking about four caucus-goers per site. | ||
| If you just convinced four per site, Jack, it would have been over. | ||
| So – and that was without Trump having any organization. | ||
| He has an organization this time. | ||
| So that's important for people to remember. | ||
| And Iowa's in the first primary contest, you know, he wasn't the favorite last time because he wasn't the traditional conservative. | ||
| But what issue has dominated the Iowa caucuses since like the 80s, Jack? | ||
| Abortion, Roe v. | ||
| Wade, social conservative values. | ||
| Trump is the only one who's going to be able to tell the caucus goers in Iowa. | ||
| They're all making promises. | ||
| I ended Roe v. | ||
| Wade. That's powerful. | ||
| That's absolutely huge. | ||
| And I think a lot of people have to remember, too, that in 2016, the fact that Trump didn't win that first out of the gate caucus, it was used then to create this narrative that he's never going to reach the threshold for delegates. | ||
| He's never going to reach the threshold delegate. | ||
| He's never going to make it to the RNC, which then, by the way, after he did get there and get there in spades, that was then used to say, well, he'll never make it to 270. | ||
| He can't get it. | ||
| He can't win the electoral. There's no path through the Electoral College. | ||
| He's never going to be able to do this. | ||
| He was able to do that as well. | ||
| But that was used to create this idea of a horse race and to say that Trump doesn't have it locked up. | ||
| He just doesn't have it down because they game the system of the Iowa caucus. | ||
| What I'm going to say, though, is do you see that same type of media narrative forming? | ||
| Because I certainly do. | ||
| And it's not, by the way, just on the side of the left, because you also have people like Paul Ryan who are now coming out, and we saw this last week or just a couple of days ago. | ||
| I posted it on Twitter, and it went all super viral, where he said that he's not even going to go to the RNC, which is being held in Milwaukee, Which is his home state, the state that he represented in Wisconsin 1 for 20 years. | ||
| He said that he will boycott the Republican National Convention if Donald J. Trump is the nominee. | ||
| So you're seeing this same type of the media and the establishment lining up against Trump and the working class. | ||
| Do you see that same kind of narrative? | ||
| I do, and the same strategy. | ||
| If you remember, Mitt Romney laid it out at, I believe it was the University of Utah, you know, vote for the strongest candidate in every state. | ||
| We already see people doing this, and look, you know, this is not to create a fracture between DeSantis' people and Trump's people, but the fact is, DeSantis is being used to be the stronger candidate in Florida. | ||
| So if you're in South Carolina, Nikki Haley's running. | ||
| Surprise, surprise. Vote for Nikki Haley. | ||
| And this is what they did in 16. | ||
| They just cobbled together the strategy way too late, Jack. | ||
| This time it's going to be a little bit more – they have had some time, and they're going to try to be a little bit more sophisticated with it. | ||
| But I will tell you this. This idea – I was talking to other pollsters today, earlier today about this. | ||
| You had the Emerson poll come out. | ||
| You have the Harris poll come out. | ||
| And the reason why is because this other pollster and I, same dynamic, which is that Trump is running stronger. | ||
| But also, if you look back, right now, depending on the poll you're looking at, whether it's any of them, the console poll, Politico's poll, Trump is performing. | ||
| He's at a level right now. | ||
| Again, once again, in a crowded field like it was in 2016. | ||
| He's at a level that he didn't even achieve in 2016. | ||
| He basically won that primary at 40 % to 45 % of the vote in the polls, in the national polls going forward. | ||
| And that's true even as late as Wisconsin where they mounted the fight with Ted Cruz and then Indiana, which ultimately when Ted Cruz lost, that was it, right? | ||
| They started to at least ease up on this. | ||
| But yeah, I think that it's the same dynamic, but I mean the Washington Post is leaving a big part out. | ||
| He's performing stronger than he ever did in 16. | ||
| So something has to happen to hurt him. | ||
| There is an element, though, that wants him to just—they tell us that Trump is their number one choice. | ||
| But they do want Trump to focus on his record. | ||
| And we're looking and trying to measure that right now and see where— How significant is that? | ||
| Can it cost him the nomination? | ||
| But they want him to basically just Grover Cleveland, this puppy, Jack. | ||
| You know? You ousted me. | ||
| Everything was going well. | ||
| I had a great record. You ousted me. | ||
| The country fell apart exactly how I told you it was going to fall apart. | ||
| I told you so. | ||
| I have a record. | ||
| I gotta come back and fix this thing up. | ||
| Just like Grover Cleveland did. | ||
| You know, which would be, if he wins, he would be the second president behind Grover Cleveland. | ||
| to serve two non-consecutive terms like this. | ||
| Again, I just don't know how much that part of the electorate is yet, steadily, really committed, because those people would be persuadable. | ||
| I think at this point, Trump's ceiling is pretty high. | ||
| I mean, his floor is pretty high, and something else would have to happen, unlike last time, where he's got a vulnerability, but it's early. | ||
| You can't drag on beyond New Hampshire and South Carolina. | ||
| You just can't. He'll win like he did last time. | ||
| Well, and one of the most interesting pieces that I saw in the Washington Post analysis, and it was sort of an analysis of the poll of polls, and I think you're also seeing this bear out in the Emerson poll today that came out, was that when they asked... | ||
| They went to the Trump supporters, and they also went to the DeSantis supporters, and they said, who's your second choice? | ||
| So who's your second choice? | ||
| So for Trump supporters, pretty much their top second choice was Ron DeSantis. | ||
| But for all the DeSantis voters, or pretty much every single supporter, it was all Donald Trump. | ||
| And there was actually that clip that was going around on Fox News this morning that basically said that she had the shirt on, and she said either or. | ||
| So with that type of dynamic, does it make sense then, does Trump want it to be one-on-one, or does he actually perform better because then he has the option of being able to go after more of those voters who are looking at him potentially as a second choice, or to your point, could be persuaded? | ||
| Yeah, I think it would be—and I'm glad you brought that up, that part of the poll up. | ||
| And it was—think about this, too. | ||
| When they're looking at this poll of polls, I would argue that a lot of those polls are way too educated for a Republican primary. | ||
| That's why you're seeing really two universes right now. | ||
| You have us. Harris, Emerson, and then you have some of these other ones that are kind of out in left field, even though Fox is too educated, yet Trump still did so well in that poll. | ||
| If you're anti-Trump, you'd want it to consolidate quickly. | ||
| If you're Trump, you'd rather it be fractured for a while. | ||
| But here's the real hidden gem that nobody wants to say and you will not hear about in the media. | ||
| We're including a question among Trump voters, and really it's everyone. | ||
| I'm just – the difference is with Trump voters. | ||
| If your guy does not win, will you vote at all in the fall? | ||
| Because there's this massive chunk of Trump voters who just aren't going to vote Republican. | ||
| They're not going to vote at all, Jack. | ||
| Let me just leave everybody with this little food for thought, something to marinate on. | ||
| 2016, we saw something that was unusual. | ||
| This Obama coalition, Bernie coalition even come out and vote for a Republican candidate. | ||
| In 2018, they just completely stayed home. | ||
| In 2020, we saw again not only them but more come into the electorate. | ||
| And then in 2022, they stayed home. | ||
| So one of my main questions right now, If Trump was not to get the nomination, how many of these voters would not vote? | ||
| Period. Because I'm convinced, I mean, I think anyone who's being honest, has to admit that there is a vote block that will come out for Trump that will not come out for a Republican. | ||
| The counterargument to that is, well, he brings out Democrats, too. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, no matter who is the nominee on the Republican side, Democrats are going to mail their ballots in, you know, like, wink, wink, mail their ballots in. | ||
| Those ballots are coming. | ||
| So you better make sure you get as many voters to the polls to counter them as possible. | ||
| And I'm going to have a good idea by – not even by the end of this thing, Jack. | ||
| I mean the point is to try to gauge this early because I'm thinking it's 20%, 30%. | ||
| It's huge. There are just a ton of Trump voters who say it's Trump. | ||
| And that's it. And Richard, you know, and Sweetheart, you can mention this as well because, look, we've been up to, we were in central Pennsylvania recently and we were in western Pennsylvania. | ||
| We went up to do a little skiing on the weekend. | ||
| I've got a skier here, someone who's very interested, who loves it, actually fell in love with it. | ||
| I fell in love with it a couple of years ago. | ||
| So we went up. | ||
| We were, what, in Western PA, and then we were up in Harrisburg recently. | ||
| But tell us, what were the signs that we saw on every single house when we were driving around up in Pennsylvania those last two weekends? | ||
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So the area of Pennsylvania where we were at, there's not much of a highway to say. | |
| And some of the little towns that we were passing by, they had huge, just those giant Trump 24 banners. | ||
| And if I had to take a pick, I would say that majority of this little town will be voting Donald J. Trump. | ||
| They already have them up. | ||
| We're, what, 18 months, 20 months away from the election. | ||
| They've got Trump 2024, some have Trump 2020, some have Trump won. | ||
| Rich, I've never seen... | ||
| Have you seen anything like this in American politics? | ||
| This idea that in these key parts... | ||
| Of the Rust Belt, and it's the same story in West Michigan, it's the same story, of course, we just saw East Palestine, that they, even out of office, they're still going for this guy. | ||
| They still have this connection. | ||
| I don't think there's anything been like this since the start of American, at least modern political history. | ||
| Modern political history, if it's been around, we weren't alive for it. | ||
| If there's another example, we were not alive for this. | ||
| In our own area, there are certain parts of even other battleground states like Florida and North Carolina. | ||
| I think a Republican candidate is going to do well in Florida. | ||
| It's not going to be Republican plus 20, folks, so don't get your hopes up there. | ||
| In a presidential cycle, Florida will narrow again, although I think Florida is Republican at this point. | ||
| But you look at some of these other states that are getting really close, Jack, and by us, for instance. | ||
| There are these working-class Hispanics. | ||
| There are dumpsters all over the place because they're putting up houses, and they haven't stopped spray-painting the dumpsters Trump. | ||
| And on one side, it's like Trump won. | ||
| The other side is like now we're getting close to the election. | ||
| And you're North Carolina. That's North Carolina. | ||
| And these are like Guatemalans and Mexicans. | ||
| These are working class Hispanics. | ||
| If you go up to them and you ask them whether they'll vote for anybody else, there is no chance. | ||
| And I'll let you in on a little thing we're going to be talking more about. | ||
| In the polling that we did in 2022, looking back at Laxalt, we had Lombardo winning by about a point and a half, two points. | ||
| He won, but Laxalt fell shy. | ||
| We did not have Lombardo up by five like some other people. | ||
| I mean, Laxalt by five by some other people, but we did think Laxalt was going to inch it out. | ||
| Looking back at why Laxalt and Lombardo had close races versus, and it's not just Nevada, it's everywhere. | ||
| Why Trump was polling so far ahead of these other candidates It's urban and then the rural. | ||
| He squeezes more out of rural voters as well. | ||
| But these non-white working class urban voters. | ||
| So in Clark County, we had Lombardo down by about five. | ||
| That's what happened. But Trump was up by three in Clark County in our polling. | ||
| In Washoe, it was about even. | ||
| Lombardo just eked it out. | ||
| We had Trump up by eight. | ||
| Why? It's not white voters in Reno. | ||
| These are working class, non-white voters. | ||
| And I shared the polling with you in Pennsylvania. | ||
| Even when we thought Oz could eke it out a little bit, he was nowhere near Trump, who was up by seven. | ||
| Why? Because of non-white and other white voters in Allegheny, where Oz did bad. | ||
| Trump was at like 45%. | ||
| So, you know, these voters... | ||
| It's just a big question in my mind. | ||
| I think it's one of the most important questions this cycle, which is if Trump doesn't get the nomination, if he's the favorite right now, but if he doesn't get it, how bad would this hurt the inevitable candidate? | ||
| Those voters, will they vote? | ||
| I think the answer right now, Jack, is no. | ||
| And coming out of 2020, just hearing from these people and polling them well in what, two years? | ||
| I don't know what somebody who's not a Trump could do to get them to vote. | ||
| These are people who are either new to the process and are inspired by him, Or they're really old to the process and quit a long time ago because they felt like their vote just didn't matter. | ||
| I think Harrisburg, Juniata County, areas like that in Pennsylvania, those are like perfect examples of those voters who just maybe after Bush v. | ||
| Gore just said, that's it, I'm done. | ||
| So they've been there. | ||
| They just didn't have much vote history, and now they do. | ||
| And then you have a lot of these newly naturalized, especially Hispanic men, who would vote for Trump but would not, would not, obviously. | ||
| Even though they told us if they were going to vote, they probably would have voted for Laxalt, but they didn't. | ||
| If it was a presidential cycle, they would have voted. | ||
| And we saw this, by the way, even in the Central Valley in California. | ||
| So it's real. | ||
| It's a big problem for Republicans, Jack. | ||
| Big problem. Look, I think it's huge, and it's something where, and I've said this, and President Trump has retweeted or re-truthed, whatever you want to say, my proposal for this, to say that you need to have, if you're in a state that allows ballot harvesting, allows the drop boxes, you've got to get in the game. | ||
| You have to put these in the back of every church. | ||
| You've got to have them on every Sunday that's there. | ||
| If there's a, you know, if there's a... | ||
| A gun show, shooting range, at the racetrack, you know, all of these things. | ||
| You've got to be able to find the voters where they are. | ||
| Because, by the way, and I say this as a son of Pennsylvania, that in the state of Pennsylvania, because, and I'm just going to put it out there, and as political prognosticators, we have to talk about this, that there is a very good chance that Fetterman's seat could come out. | ||
| Up in 2024, there is a good chance just because, look, the medical issues are what they are, and my heart goes out to him and the family, but it is what it is, and under Pennsylvania law, that the current governor, Josh Shapiro, would only have the ability to appoint someone until the next general election. | ||
| When is that? 2024. | ||
| There's also Casey's seat, which is coming up, and there's some rumblings out there, by the way, that I don't know if everybody knows this, but there's some rumblings that Bob Casey might not go up for re-election. | ||
| So that Casey name that basically gave him immortality and vulnerability in Pennsylvania, now you have two potentially open seats. | ||
| Or, you know, if Shapiro appoints like a Conor Lamb, he'd be running for a full term in his own right. | ||
| Or excuse me, he'd be running for the final two years and then have to run in two years again like Ossoff. | ||
| So you might have a chance where Pennsylvania, you've got all those electoral votes that are on the table, plus two Senate seats, which, by the way, would swing the Senate all on the ballot on one year in a presidential cycle. | ||
| I think you're going to see a ton in Pennsylvania. | ||
| Yeah, Jack, we call it the Keystone State for a reason, right? | ||
| I mean, really. That's right. | ||
| It's always important, but it could be even that much more important. | ||
| I'm with you 100 % on that. | ||
| People always ask me all the time, how do we counter this ballot harvesting? | ||
| The fact of the matter is, you counter it, the best thing you could do about shenanigans or harvests of operations that are legitimate is to reduce the size of the remaining outstanding ballot count. | ||
| And how can you do that? | ||
| Chase ballots yourself. | ||
| That's the best way to do it. | ||
| We did speak to a lot of people who did a really good job last year doing that. | ||
| Mark Molinaro in New York, his campaign was all about nudging those votes out there. | ||
| I think California got lucky. | ||
| I'm not giving them praise like so many other people do. | ||
| They did not get lucky. | ||
| They got a very white turnout and a very low turnout. | ||
| Again, when you look at places like the Central Valley where Democrats harvest, some of those Republicans are in deep, deep trouble. | ||
| They will lose their races if Hispanics come out and they don't have a reason to vote Republican up and down the ballot. | ||
| And just that's something – more food for thought. | ||
| So they didn't – They didn't bring themselves to go to the polls and vote Democrat before, even with Democrats trying to harvest their ballots, but they still were not given a reason to vote Republican with the candidates, some of those candidates that Kevin McCarthy backed and put on the ballot. | ||
| It wasn't enough. | ||
| It didn't sell them. | ||
| In 2024, these are people who do have presidential cycle vote history. | ||
| They will come out, and they'll make a decision one way or the other. | ||
| If you don't give them a reason to vote Republican at the top, chances are you're not going to give them one to vote at the bottom as well. | ||
| So you could be looking at David Valadeo, Mike Garcia, definitely John Duarte, just all going down. | ||
| Duarte won by like 400 votes in a majority Hispanic district where 50.8 % turnout occurred, Jack, and it was 70-plus percent white. | ||
| Richard, we are coming up on our final minute with you. | ||
| Where can people go to follow you? | ||
| What are you going to be looking at ahead? | ||
| Yeah, we're going to be doing that public. | ||
| It's going to be a public poll, a nomination poll real soon, Monday, Wednesday, and Fridays, noon to 12. | ||
| It's Inside the Numbers. But the best place to follow us, Jack, and what we're doing is on locals, peoplespundit.locals.com, and you can just see everything that's going on from there. | ||
| Follow it all from there. Richard Barris, thank you so much for being with us. | ||
| The People's Pundit. | ||
| Any message for Laura, by the way? | ||
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Well, my best wishes to the whole family, and I just hope to see her soon. | |
| We'll see you soon, my friend. | ||
| And strap in because we have a lot of work. | ||
| Richard, we're going to be leaning on you a lot over these next 20 months through the primary, going through that cycle all the way to Milwaukee in 2024. | ||
| In the summertime, you and I will go get cheese curds together. | ||
| And then, of course, all the way out. | ||
| I'm not going to Milwaukee and not getting cheese curds. | ||
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You know that. Of course. You'll have to bring some home with you as well. | |
| Yeah, I'm gonna have him and then I'm gonna bring him home and Kyle Rittenhouse is gonna be there too and it's gonna be great. | ||
| Epic! Looking forward to it, guys. | ||
| We're all going. We're all going. | ||
| All right, Rachel. We'll see you there, my friend. | ||
| Folks, stay tuned because we have an update from Ukraine coming up next with the great Jordan Schachtel. | ||
| else's to get right there. Jack Pesobic, Tonya Taylor, host of Human Events Daily here sitting in for the great Stephen K. | ||
| Bannon warm battleground. | ||
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What's the eternal growth? | |
| NATO allies have agreed that Ukraine will become a member of our alliance, but at the same time, that is a long-term perspective. | ||
| What is the issue now is to ensure that Ukraine prevail as a sovereign independent nation, and therefore we need to support Ukraine. | ||
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I see that the future of Ukraine is to be part of European Union and also member of NATO. We have taken many steps forward when it comes to military aid to Ukraine, and I'm very glad that we are now cooperating together much more closely to give Ukraine more heavy weapons. | |
| I think the discussion now, even though it's have taken some time. | ||
| It's been very important concerning, for example, the Leopards. | ||
| So countries are cooperating together more closely and more widely. | ||
| And this is a very good thing. | ||
| We have to support Ukraine as long as it takes. | ||
| And they also need more heavy weapons. | ||
| And the faster and the sooner we can give them more heavy weapons, the sooner the war will end. | ||
| And this is something that we also need, that cooperation between the democratic countries. | ||
| Finland has taken many decisions on armed support to Ukraine and we are willing to continue this as long as it takes. | ||
| You know, corrupt, controlled by a few rich people. | ||
| I mean, really unfortunate for the people in Ukraine. | ||
| Ukraine has better agricultural land than the United States does. | ||
| I mean, it is the breadbasket of Europe. | ||
| It's an incredible location. | ||
| Alright, Bill Gates there saying that the government of Ukraine is one of the most corrupt in the world. | ||
| And then you got Stoltenberg from NATO saying that we absolutely must bring Ukraine in, that it will be a member of NATO, which of course we're told is one of the things that started this entire conflict over and over because Russia does not want Ukraine, this buffer state, this formerly neutral country. | ||
| To be part of NATO and of course you've got the Prime Minister of Finland say that we're gonna do everything that it takes. | ||
| We're gonna do everything that it takes to continue this war. | ||
| Well to help explain all of this because I think it's confusing for so many people especially people who have family and friends that are in the region or from the region and understand the history of horrific warfare that's going on in this theater. | ||
| I wanted to bring on Jordan Schachtel, the publisher of the dossier on Substack, who has been just an absolute expert on Ukraine. | ||
| And Jordan, I don't know, have you ever actually agreed with Bill Gates before? | ||
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Is this a first for you? This has to be a first. | |
| And Tanya, Jack, thanks for having me. | ||
| I appreciate it. So break it down for us. | ||
| Why is it that on one hand, you got a guy like Bill Gates, of all people, coming out saying that this is one of the most corrupt governments, but then also, at the same time, the head of NATO is saying they will be made a member, they're going to be brought in as a member, when of course corruption is one of the things that they look for when it comes to EU membership, NATO membership, etc.? | ||
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Yeah, and this whole idea that in the middle of fighting a war that we're somehow going to also wage this battle to make Ukraine a more transparent place, like, this is the worst possible time when they have so much—I mean, they shouldn't have leverage against us, but the reality is that, you know, this administration is just giving everything to them that they want, that they requested. | |
| You know, the hearing today in Congress was all about sending them F-16s. | ||
| Soon we can get their pilots trained on these sophisticated fourth generation platforms that they've never even seen before, that they can't even read the language. | ||
| So it's going to be an uphill battle to get transparency. | ||
| Some of the reports that are coming out of Ukraine are fascinating. | ||
| Of course, they've integrated these fascist militias into their special forces, because how can you blame them? | ||
| They're fighting a war, but that's a whole separate issue. | ||
| So you have this issue of extremists obtaining our weapons. | ||
| You also have this issue of there's no real accounting process there. | ||
| Their military high-ranking officials, as of recently, have been writing paper receipts when they get our weapons. | ||
| And now, Colin Call, one of the top defense officials in the US in the Biden administration, close advisor to Joe Biden himself, said that they've actually now exported scanners to Ukraine so they can scan in these munitions now when they get them. | ||
| So they're very positive that there's going to be some type of transparency, but I totally agree with Bill Gates on this issue that There's no way we're going to fix the corruption in Ukraine, especially in the middle of a war that is capturing everyone's attention right now. | ||
| Well, you've written quite extensively about the oligarchs in Ukraine. | ||
| We hear about the oligarchs of Russia all the time. | ||
| Most are pro-Putin, but you also have these sort of anti-Putin oligarchs that are mostly outside of Russia. | ||
| But we suddenly stopped hearing completely about the oligarchs of Ukraine, and I've certainly reported on this quite a bit. | ||
| What is the status of them right now? | ||
| Because you had an interesting piece up the other day where you said, You look reading the tea leaves that you didn't think that Russia was a country that was ripe for a coup, but potentially Zelensky might be looking at one himself. | ||
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Yeah, our corporate press has been on a spin campaign on overdrive in recent weeks and months because Zelensky, or whoever is directing him, has been firing basically every single high-ranking member in Kyiv, every member of their bureaucracy, the deputy minister of everything. | |
| The three top-ranking officials in the Ministry of the Interior Department, which is a significant position, they recently died in a helicopter crash over Kyiv. | ||
| So there's all this weird stuff happening. | ||
| Just Sunday, Zelensky fired his top general, who was responsible for commanding the joint forces in Ukraine. | ||
| He's gone, hasn't really given an excuse to what exactly is going on. | ||
| And we know through his public bickering with particularly Klitschko, you know, the former boxing champion who's the mayor of Kyiv, that Zelensky is very well aware of the reality that there are people who are trying to Usurp his political position. | ||
| Zelensky, of course, is very influential with his foreign backers. | ||
| But domestically, the situation is getting more and more dicey. | ||
| Whereas in Russia, it's the exact opposite situation. | ||
| Unfortunately, the polling in Russia isn't great, but there's an independent pollster called the Levada Center. | ||
| Which is recognized by the West as an independent pollster, and they have Putin's approval rating at 82%. | ||
| So I don't think that Putin should really fear so much of a coup, even though the Western presses and Western officials are insisting that is the case. | ||
| I think it's much more likely that Zelensky's internal The political position of power is certainly in play and will continue to be so as the fog of war kind of clears, as its honeymoon period continues to drift away, | ||
| as all these hundreds of billions of dollars continue to Enter Ukraine, and Ukraine is seemingly not capable of pushing back these Russian offenses in areas where the population seems to be not so hostile to Russia. | ||
| So he's got a lot on his plate, and there are certainly going to be opposing forces within the country that Zelensky's foreign supporters might not be able to handle so easily. | ||
| Well, I think that's right, and I think everyone should remember that Zelensky's main opponent, or for folks who aren't aware of this, when he ran for president, was the former president of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko, who is an oligarch in his own right. | ||
| He's actually known for confectionaries. | ||
| They call him the chocolate man. And this idea that he is, by the way, still a member of the Rada, which is Ukrainian parliament, and so he still wields a strong amount of political power, so could be a potential rival for Zelensky if he's able to gobble up, sort of collect these different various factions that perhaps don't like the fact that Zelensky has been taking this money. | ||
| And at the end of the day, because we see day after day after day And not to put you on the spot, but I know that you look at some of the stories that have come out, the families. | ||
| Does it seem to you like these families that are caught in the middle of this are getting any of this money, all these billions of dollars that are going back and forth? | ||
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So the topic of Ukraine is probably one of the hardest for me to talk about because I have so many ties to that part of the world. | |
| This is where I came from. | ||
| And looking back at it, I mean, we're looking at a one year mark and God only knows how long this will continue going on. | ||
| And if you hear about the policies that are being discussed with all the talks from NATO, You know, all the billions of dollars pouring in the country. | ||
| We are so far from even reaching any agreement or coming to the peace. | ||
| And I think if you come to the common folk and if you ask them what they want, they don't want the money. | ||
| They don't want all the guns pouring in their country. | ||
| I think they want peace. | ||
| I think they want their sons home. | ||
| I think they want their husbands home. | ||
| I think they want the families who are right now scattered all over the world. | ||
| Speaking million languages, the ones that they don't even understand, having their kids going to schools that are dictating their rules. | ||
| I think they just want everybody home in Ukraine. | ||
| And I think the main focus should be... | ||
| And safe. Definitely safe and... | ||
| They want to keep the family together because no amount of money can make up for a missing dad, a missing brother, a lack of sons by their mother's side. | ||
| So for the people of Ukraine, and if we really talk about what the people of Ukraine want, We need to approach them and not just listen to all the politicians who are interested in the money aspect of it because money is power, is influence. | ||
| And what the common people want, they want peace and they want prosperity of their home and they want to be in their countries. | ||
| Wow. Tell us how you really feel. | ||
| Tell us how you really feel. | ||
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Just my few, you know, cents on this. | |
| Just a couple ideas. But Jordan, that's exactly right because prior to all of this, this war, it's exactly what Bill Gates said that I think Zelensky, the main thing people knew him for was the Panama Papers. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, it's, you know, Tanya makes a great point that, especially in Ukraine, it's a country that's very divided, but we only hear really one perspective. | |
| And that's because Zelensky has basically eliminated the media and political opposition. | ||
| through orders of fiat, where he just says that he has the power because of martial law, and he's shutting down your TV station, or he's imprisoning his political opponents, and this is the fight for democracy they're supposedly having. | ||
| But yet, I mean, the oligarch situation in Ukraine, along with many post-Soviet countries, is unfortunately brutal, and there are a lot of people responsible for that situation occurring. | ||
| And I can't believe I'm saying this, but Bill Gates is exactly right. | ||
| This is a land with extremely rich resources, yet And if you think that U.S. aid is going to the individual Ukrainian citizens, I would point you to the $2.3 trillion that was allocated to Afghanistan and all of these reports from rights organizations where the children are starving in Afghanistan. | ||
| So where did all the money go? | ||
| You think this $100 billion every single year that's going to Ukraine is going to feed families? | ||
| Sadly, no. It seems that it's just going to support the war effort to pay off bureaucrats to make sure they're on sides. | ||
| But the people who always get screwed in these wars is the average citizen and the average family that's not politically connected. | ||
| And it's kind of just the global theme of intercontinental conflict with these great powers. | ||
| Well, I think that's exactly right. | ||
| And at the same time, we also have to remember there are people back in the United States that are making money off of this. | ||
| There's been some reporting that your good friend and mine, Colonel, Colonel, Colonel, Colonel, Colonel Alexander Vindman is, you know, hanging a shingle out there with he and him and his brother, and they want to create a defense contracting company that's going to be doing logistics to try to make money off of the middle piece of this because you're going to have all this American equipment going over there, tanks and other vehicles that are potentially going over maybe even M16s as well and who's going to do the maintenance on them. | ||
| Who's going to be able to do that? | ||
| You can't train somebody to learn how to fix one of these things just in the middle of the war while you're fighting this, and you haven't done any training on it before, the Bradley fighting vehicles, the strikers, etc., that they're talking about bringing over. | ||
| So what does Zelensky want to do? | ||
| Or excuse me, what does... | ||
| Vindman want to do. He wants to go and set up Americans, bring veterans over, defense contract. | ||
| This is the same type of mission creep that happened in Afghanistan. | ||
| And prior to that, it happened in Vietnam. | ||
| Well, suddenly now there's Americans there that are veterans. | ||
| And then, oh, what happens if one of those veterans get hit? | ||
| Because if you set up one of these centers, what do you think the Russians are going to strike first, right? | ||
| They're not going to go for each tank, but if they can take out the place they build it. | ||
| Look, it is mission creep. Jordan, fantastic mission. | ||
| Let us know, where can people go to follow you to get more information? | ||
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Yeah, you can find all of my work over at The Dossier at Substack, dossier.substack.com. | |
| So much appreciate having conversations with you guys. | ||
| Always good times. Incredible. | ||
| Jordan Schachtel, I urge everyone to go and check out The Dossier, check out his work. | ||
| Appreciate it. We'll have to have you on and certainly have you on for Human Events Daily as well sometime. | ||
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Absolutely. Thanks. | |
| And that really is, I think, one of the biggest pieces, and I appreciate you saying that, dear, is that I think in all of these cases that you're right. | ||
| And look, I look at it from a military perspective. | ||
| Is Bakhmut going to be encircled? | ||
| Is Soledar going to fall? | ||
| What's next? What's going on in Odessa? | ||
| Is Transnistria going to kick off? | ||
| But at the same time, There are people, little people, the regular people, the normal people, the Lao Bai Jing, the deplorables that are just caught up in the middle of all of this that they never get asked, do they? | ||
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They really don't. | |
| They just got handed a decision that right now this is what's happening without even being heard. | ||
| Many of them have no choice but to flee the country because they don't want to get caught in fire. | ||
| They fear for their life. | ||
| And I think what those people really want is to live in their houses, you know, go to their schools, not have to worry about speaking another language. | ||
| Ukrainian people are literally being stripped of their national identity when they're being sent all over the world as refugees where nobody speaks their language, their kids are not learning their language, where they have Well, close to zero of Ukrainian culture to fall on. | ||
| We're looking at the destruction of Ukrainian national identity. | ||
| People don't realize that a lot of those people, just to point out that you're also going to have situations where people leave. | ||
| They may not be able to come back. | ||
| They may not be able to afford to go back. | ||
| They've got to find work. Now, you don't speak the language if you're in France, if you're in Germany, even with Poland. | ||
| At least there's more there, but I think you're right. | ||
| I think that's absolutely true. | ||
| We do have a special guest here. | ||
| I believe we have Boris Do we have Boris on the line? | ||
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I'm here. Hey Boris, you're here with Jack and Tanya. | |
| Hey hey. Hey Jack, hey Tanya, how y'all doing? | ||
| Fantastic. Thanks for having on. | ||
| Now, we just had, we were talking to Jordan Chuctel about Ukraine, but then we were also going through Richard Barris. | ||
| A lot of these new polls that we're seeing come out of the presidential field. | ||
| It's early. He says that he thinks Trump is the favorite. | ||
| You're seeing some support for DeSantis, obviously. | ||
| They're coalescing there. But there's also these other guys out there. | ||
| What are you looking at when you see these polls? | ||
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How do you break them down? Well, the poll that came out today from Emerson, is about as close to reality from a mainstream left-of-center poll. | |
| President Trump at 55, the governor of Florida is at 25, and all the other gnomes are under eight. | ||
| What's interesting is that Pence and Nikki Haley each group two points from January, and that total of four is what the governor of Florida went down from 29 to 25. | ||
| President Trump at 55 continue to dominate the field, absolutely destroying everybody else. | ||
| And that's where this race stands. | ||
| It's not a real contest. | ||
| The MAGA movement, the Republican Party, the real Republican Party, are with President Trump. | ||
| You saw this even on Fox News this morning. | ||
| You got Brian Kilmeade at a diner in what I believe to be DeSantis' district, trying to go around saying, who do you support? | ||
| Everybody said Trump. They found one woman in a DeSantis shirt. | ||
| She said, well, I'm not sure. | ||
| Maybe DeSantis, maybe Trump. | ||
| The American people with President Trump And the polls are reflecting that he's dominating this race. | ||
| Now, do you think it's going to stay that way? | ||
| What if Pompeo gets in? | ||
| What if Tim Scott gets in? | ||
| Some of these other names? Do you think that'll have any effect whatsoever? | ||
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Yes, I think the effect it'll have is it'll make it even clearer how much the American people in our country need Donald Trump, President Donald J. Trump, back in the Oval Office. | |
| And I think his lead is only going to continue to grow, and you've seen that over the last several months. | ||
| And again, look at what's still happening. | ||
| Pence, Nikki Haley, others, they're not pulling for President Donald J. Trump. | ||
| President Trump continues to go up. | ||
| They're pulling from DeSantis and others. | ||
| And it's a competition for second, third, fourth place. | ||
| That's why it would be smart for all these so-called candidates to not get in the race. | ||
| Call us behind President Trump, and let's go win the White House back. | ||
| Do you think that when, you know, looking at the VP side, that any of these might, many of these people might be throwing their hats in because they're looking to actually run for a VP pick, actually looking for that second slot? | ||
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Maybe yes, maybe no. | |
| Jack, I think that's a good question. | ||
| You never know if it was motivation. | ||
| Maybe a VP slot, maybe it's to sell books, maybe it's to get contracts. | ||
| But what is absolutely clear is none of them have a shot to be the Republican nominee. | ||
| That's going to be President Donald J. Trump. | ||
| And for those who haven't gotten in, they should be thinking long and hard about About whether they want to end their political careers and enter the quicksand. | ||
| Because if you look at 2016, President Trump decimated the Republican establishment before crushing the Democrat establishment. | ||
| And I don't think any of these candidates... | ||
| Boris, we're just about... | ||
| I'm running out of clock here, man. | ||
| Where can people follow you? Thanks so much. | ||
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BorisCP.com is the website. | |
| HotBorisCP.com. Hot at BorisCP.com. | ||
| Get it at BorisCP on Twitter. Hot on true social at Boris. | ||
| And the hottest on the ground, Boris underscore Boris. | ||
| Stay strong. God bless. |
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