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Feb. 24, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 2541: Protecting The Southern Border; The American Chernobyl
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john fredericks
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sebastian gorka
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steve bannon
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tiffany justice
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steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
unidentified
Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon
I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bamm.
...and has proved the most successful in the history of mankind for the flourishing of human beings.
And everyone wants his family, his or her family, and children to thrive.
And I submit that what we're talking about is not really a question of the stresses on the safety net, the provision of food for the people who can't provide it for themselves, the provision of medical care, the jail, the detention services, keeping the community safe.
This is about how we maintain and protect a culture that has been the most successful in the world.
And that is what is at stake, too.
steve bannon
This is live from Yuma, Arizona.
It's the House Judiciary Committee.
They're taking it on the road.
They've been there in Arizona all day.
We're going to have a live report from Congressman Andy Biggs, also Real America's Voice, own Ben Burquam.
This has been extraordinary.
Extraordinary testimony with the hammers like Biggs and Jim Jordan, and you've got Matt Gaetz, the entire crew.
I want to go now live on the other end of the country.
That's Arizona. We're going to go back to Arizona momentarily.
We have in Pennsylvania at the hearing of the Pennsylvania, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Senate, we have John Frederick.
We're also then going to go live to Ohio and we have America's Mayor Rudy Giuliani.
So we're packed. We got Seb Gorka.
I think we got Tiffany Justice, maybe Boris.
It's jam-packed.
Second hour the same way.
On the eve of the first anniversary of the Third World War kickoff in Ukraine.
Let's go to John Fredericks.
John, this story in Pennsylvania from East Palestine, and now you see this is not a national story, this is a global story.
You have uncovered, sir, what we're going to start referring to as the American Chernobyl, not the Ohio Chernobyl, the American Chernobyl, John Fredericks.
john fredericks
Well, the people of East Palestine and the people in western Pennsylvania, where we are right now in Beaver Run County, are saying the same thing.
They're calling it their Chernobyl.
The hearing today, the first hearing in the country put on by Doug Mastrano, who was chairman, of his committee on emergency preparedness and veterans.
Fireworks. I told you earlier about the residents coming on crying about losing everything.
They have nothing.
They can't eat. They don't have water.
Their children are sick. They have nowhere to go.
One of the most riveting comments, and I have to say it again, was one mom, two jobs, Single mom said, I can't go anywhere.
I have no money.
What will become of us?
I mean, that was...
You couldn't...
You could hear a pin drop.
And these bureaucrats come in, a bunch of feckless CYAs.
Now, the director of FEMA didn't show...
And none of the Norfolk Southern executives showed, but Mastriano says he's going to start issuing subpoenas.
But the director of Pima came.
That's the Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency, a Randy Podfield.
Well, he got absolutely skewered by Democrat-Liberal ranking member Katie Muth.
When he got done, he had about a 20-minute testimony.
And he gets old and he's modeling all the decisions they had to make and how they make these decisions and everything else and how it went down.
Never actually saying who made the decision of the controlled burn, which was not a controlled burn.
I'll get to that in a minute. He gets all done and she grabs the mic and she says, you just spent 20 minutes telling us your only concern was their bottom line and saving your butt.
I mean, that just, it was unbelievable.
Then, Michelle Brooks, Republican senator, said, Sir, you're a complete and utter failure.
I mean, you've never seen a bipartisanship like, this isn't Republicans and Democrats.
These are just people trying to get to the bottom of this.
We had an attorney there from Morgan& Morgan, who's going to file a class action suit for these residents, Rene Rocha.
Here's what he said. Get this, Steve.
He said there was two and a half times more vinyl chloride released in the air than is in all of the U.S. combined.
He said to pretend this wouldn't matter is dishonest.
This is a cover-up.
He said stop calling it a controlled release and there's no response.
I mean, we just went over and over and over.
Person after person basically saying there's no number to call.
I was just on a show earlier who said, hey, give our audience the number to call.
There is no number. Because if you call the number, they don't answer the phone, Steve.
This is turning into a complete disaster for Josh Shapiro.
He did an act. We don't even know where he was.
They still can't tell the residents here what actual chemicals were released.
They can't tell them...
What the remedy is or what to do, they're telling them that everything is safe, but nobody will drink the water.
They're testing it by the contractor of a Norfolk Sun.
The other thing that came out today is they couldn't get to the bottom of who made the decision, right?
So now they're blaming it on a fire chief.
Running a town of 5,000 people.
That's totally absurd.
But what came out today is it's likely this decision was driven by Norfolk Southern, who had one goal, and that was to get the tracks back up and clean to get the trains running on them so they continue to make their profit.
What residents were saying that live by the tracks today is every time a train goes by, the smell gets worse.
It intensifies. So actually having the trains run right now is putting additional toxins into the air, making it worse.
No answers from anybody.
Pima was a disgrace today.
I tell you what, if I'm Josh Shapiro, I fire that guy this afternoon or it's going to be the end of his career.
Steve, this is now getting into the realm of a major U.S. cover-up.
Where nobody is telling the truth to these residents about what happened.
They're sick. They're afraid they're gonna get cancer.
They don't have any money.
They have nowhere to go.
And nobody is stepping up to help them.
One resident said, I called everybody.
I spent two days on the phone.
Finally, after calling my state rep, this rep, that rep, nobody would ever return my call, Shapiro's office, everything.
She said, finally, a representative A marketing representative from Norfolk Southern returned my call and said, look, go to a hotel.
If that's better for you, save the receipt.
And down the line, there might be an avenue, direct quote, an avenue for you to get reimbursed.
steve bannon
Will you stop? Will you stop? They told a working class person, go to a hotel and pay for it, and we'll get back to you in six months?
john fredericks
Yes. Yes. Yes, Steve.
This is the most unbelievable thing I have ever witnessed.
You couldn't sit through this thing without welling up with emotion.
The stories of these people, these witnesses, whose lives have been completely destroyed.
But Steve, it's beyond that.
It's beyond, look, I have a home and now it's worth nothing.
The fear. They're scared.
They don't know what to do. Nobody's telling them where to go, what to do.
They're not giving them an antidote.
They're just telling them everything is fine.
Well, they know it's not fine because they have rashes, welts, headaches.
They're sick. Their pets are dying.
Their kids are sick.
I mean, one person said, what am I supposed to do with my children?
I don't know. Tell me what to do.
What number do I call?
Nothing. The response here has been absolutely despicable.
And this hearing, this hearing is not going to stop.
Because when you've got liberal senators...
Like the ranking member who I mentioned, saying, you know, you talked for 20 minutes here and gave me absolutely no information, just all CYA stuff, and that was Katie Muth.
When you've got liberal Democrats appalled, she was appalled by what she saw today.
And I said it, and Senator Michelle Brooks earlier, calling...
This guy, Randy Patfield, a complete and utter failure.
I mean, and screaming at him.
You've never seen a hearing like this before, but there was no coverage other than me and some small TV stations because nobody cares.
That's the problem here, Steve.
This is going to go down in history as one of the biggest cover-ups ever.
steve bannon
No, no, no. We're going to get to...
Look, here's the good news.
The process has started, and already they're focused on what's important, not the derailment.
That's another separate issue, okay?
What's important is who authorized the controlled release and then who authorized, quote-unquote, a controlled burn.
Because once you get to that, and you're going to find out it was the EPA and Biden's responsibility, and they sloughed it off, and now they're trying to blame Biden.
The fire chief, and this was all driven by Norfolk Southern wanting to open that track.
John, amazing reporting.
Are you going to be back on your show live tomorrow, and how do people get to you 24-7?
What is your social media?
john fredericks
Just follow us. I got the same handle for everything.
TrueSocial, Getter the whole bit.
Follow us on Getter Live, 6 a.m.
tomorrow at JF Radio Show, at JF Radio Show.
Getter Live tomorrow during my show, 6 to 10 a.m.
as I lead in the Steve Bannon and War Room.
You can get me there on Getter Live.
Just click John Frederick's Radio Show.
Steve, thank you for having me. Thank you for taking the time to give this national coverage that it deserves.
No one has their back, Steve.
Trump came. He's got their back.
Just like he had my back in 2008 and my family, he comes here.
He's got their back.
These are the forgotten people of America, Steve, and it's really despicable.
steve bannon
Well, they ain't forgotten no more.
The War Room's got your back 100%.
We're all over this, John Fredericks, and you're doing it.
Fredericks is like a bulldog.
John Fredericks, thank you so much.
Honored to have you on here. Look forward to tomorrow.
Thank you, Steve. We're starting with nothing but hammers.
Let's go. We got America's Mayor Rudy Giuliani.
Rudy, of course, the number one story in the nation right now is you sitting there with the mayor of East Palestine, Ohio, and Alfred E. Buttigieg is cooling his heels.
Tell us about your day today, sir.
unidentified
I didn't know that. We had a long conversation, but I didn't realize he was pretending it a bit.
I didn't realize exactly why.
And when I left, I didn't see Buttigieg.
You know, there were a lot of normal adult males.
You can't see them. And there were normal adult males around.
So I never even saw him there.
But apparently the mayor does not like him very much.
I think he lied to him a couple of times.
And the mayor wouldn't be the only one that...
steve bannon
What do you mean that Buttigieg lied to the mayor?
unidentified
Tell me about that. He made a statement like this happens a thousand times a year.
When was the last major toxic spill, Steve?
A thousand times a year?
He comes up with all kinds of crazy excuses for why he can't be there.
He's the kind of guy that if you work for your business every four days, he's a dilettante and you'd fire him.
And we should have known that with the whole situation with the shipments and the terrible tragedy we had last year with him.
But I mean, this guy is not worth...
He should stay home and take care of his kids.
He does not have the responsibility of an adult human being.
Imagine telling the reporter last night he's on personal time.
These people, some of them are here.
steve bannon
Yeah, there's no during a crisis.
Hey, Rudy, we're going to try to reboot you because we want to get a stronger signal.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
Seb Gorka is going to join us.
We got Rudy is live.
He's been in East Palestine, Ohio all day.
Rudy's been meeting with the mayor and other officials.
Pete Buttigieg went out there.
This is all because of President Trump.
President Trump had a forcing function.
The forcing function was...
Trump says he's gonna go.
All of a sudden, you've got DeWine.
You've got Shapiro. You've got Buttigieg.
Trump drives the action.
Rudy drives the action.
What happens when you get a doubleheader?
You get Trump one day and Rudy the next.
Rudy Giuliani, we're going to go back to him.
We've got Seb Gorka's going to join us.
Andy Biggs, we've got this amazing hearing of the Judiciary Committee about the invasion on the southern border from Yuma, Arizona.
Ben Burquam's out there.
Also, Governor DeSantis put out a hit list, a hit list on parental rights, and Tiffany Justice is going to be here.
We're jammed wall to wall.
short commercial break. We're back in the war room in just a moment.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bamm.
steve bannon
We have America's Mayor Rudy Giuliani in East Palestine, Ohio.
Rudy, what did you find out today and what is your involvement going to be with these folks going forward, sir?
unidentified
My involvement is going to be to try to keep focus on this so they don't lose concentration.
I'm afraid that they'll be here for two weeks.
And that'll be it.
Plus, give them some advice on what seems reasonable and what isn't.
This should have been very well prepared for.
We've had other situations like this in the past.
We've had spills.
We've had explosions of chemicals.
There should have been a plan that was followed here.
And Mudezhag was absent.
The president was absent. Most of the agency was absent.
The mayor Did the best he could with other mayors.
But this isn't right, what they're doing.
People here are actually asking me if Biden hates me.
This morning when I was at breakfast, a couple of people came up to me and said, why is Biden doing this on purpose?
Does he hate us?
Yeah, maybe he does.
Think about the speeches he makes about us, the MAGA people and the deplorables and The people who are Catholics who like the Latin Mass.
I mean, he's got a lot of weird ideas.
And apparently he just doesn't want to deal with these people.
It's like they're non-human beings.
steve bannon
But Rudy, you're committed, as Warren is, you're committed to have these folks back and get to the bottom of this, to do the investigations we have to do.
I imagine the mayor can sit there and look at you with all your experience.
unidentified
Yeah, I'm committed to being here five years from now because I said to them, you know, look, we don't know how this is going to come out.
This could be not as bad.
This could be terrible. I found that out with September 11.
There were aspects of it that weren't as bad and there were aspects of it that turned out to be much worse five and six years later.
But September 11 had the support and it had the background so that even 78 years later, somebody was sick, we'd take care of them.
Somebody here, if they turn up sick seven or eight years from now, nobody's gonna give a damn about it.
So I said, the mayor and the mayor in the area have to put together an organization that's gonna get support from the federal government so these people can be taken care of in the future.
And I told them that I would keep at it until that gets done.
steve bannon
Mayor Giuliani, how do people get to your radio show, your podcast, all your writing, social media, all of it?
Because now that Rudy's on watch, I think people are going to feel a lot better about this.
unidentified
That's RudyGiulianiCS.com RudyGiulianiCS.com I'm going to a meeting with them now and just trying to make sure it's all properly organized.
The next couple of weeks, I think there'll be a lot of attention.
The real issue is Is there going to be a tension in the future?
Because there's something very sick in this administration, the Biden administration, about the way they react to people like us.
steve bannon
To have folks of that caliber, they're the backbone of this nation, actually have to ask America's mayor, does Biden hate us?
That tells me everything I need to know.
Everything you need to know is wrapped up in that comment.
unidentified
Two men and a woman, just ordinary folk, you know, not politicians.
I don't even know what they do for a living.
steve bannon
Yeah, Giuliani, thank you very much.
Honored to have you on here, sir.
unidentified
Good job, Steve. Thank you.
steve bannon
Thank you, sir. Rudy Giuliani on the scene.
What kind of comfort would that be to a mayor to know that you got America's mayor that got a student 9-11?
That's the kind of guy Rudy Giuliani is.
Rudy Giuliani is out there on the ground.
And Buttigieg, that clown, shows up today.
Disgrace. And Savannah Hernandez from Turning Point.
We have her up on REV a lot.
She's in the worm. She's just fantastic.
She's on Daily Mail's lead story.
I got Seb Gorka. I'm going to get to Seb in a second.
I want to go out to Yuma.
We got Ben Berquam, who was in East Palestine, got on the plane, got there like three in the morning.
This is a pretty historic day.
On the invasion of the southern border, the Judiciary Committee in a hearing live in Yuma, Arizona.
Ben Burquam, put us in the room.
ben bergquam
Yeah, Steve, it's a big hearing, the field hearing in Yuma, Arizona, to talk about, to uncover Biden's border invasion, the crisis that Joe Biden has created.
And the moral of the story is, as you just heard America's mayor say, does Biden hate East Palestine?
Well, the people of Yuma, I think, feel the same way.
Not a single Democrat representative is represented here today.
It's all Republicans because the Democrats have simply abandoned this community and the border.
And we're in there with them right now.
We're going to continue to cover that.
steve bannon
Ben, we're going to have you back into the C Block with Congressman Biggs as we can step out.
So you can step back in there. We'll pull you in a few minutes.
Great reporting. And by the way, great show to go into East Palestine and then to head out there.
Fantastic. Thank you, sir.
Dr. Gorka, we're on the eve of the first anniversary of the beginning of the Third World War, and yet you have a crisis here in the United States.
You got an invasion on the southern border.
They got a live field hearing here.
You just heard Rudy of what's going on in East Palestine.
You heard John Fredericks in Pennsylvania today at the hearing.
When working class people Whose sons and daughters are the ones that die on the battlefields in Afghanistan and Iraq and the Persian Gulf and in Vietnam and all of it.
When they sit there and go, does Joe Biden hate us, Mr.
Giuliani? What does that say to you, sir?
sebastian gorka
Well, first, I want to commend you for having the mayor on and I want us to recognize America's mayor.
A man who put five of the top Italian mob families behind bars and then helped New York get back on its feet as mayor after September the 11th.
The fact that it has to be Mayor Rudy Giuliani.
talking to the people of East Palestine, hearing what they really think of this administration.
God bless, Rudy.
God bless you for having him on.
That gives me hope that there are still patriots of this ilk doing what has to be done.
Look, things are very, very bad right now.
We have a person in the White House who his own team, his own superior, Obama, His own former defense secretary, Robert Gates, for Obama, said that this man is incompetent and has been wrong on every single issue in the last 40 years.
And he's traveling to a quote-unquote war zone and being hailed by the mainstream media as the savior of Europe.
I played somebody. There's a guy called, a Greek guy from the CIA, Polyamoros is his name.
And he was on mainstream media yesterday saying that Biden reminds him of Reagan and he is the savior of Europe.
This is a guy with 26 years in ops at the CIA. Not a desk jockey, a former CT, counterterrorism ops guy.
What does that tell you about the swamp, Steve?
That somebody with 26 years...
With the top clearances, is prepared to be such a propaganda whore for this senile old man that he's going to call him the savior of Europe live on cable TV. Let's talk about those working class people that fought for Europe, that bled for Europe, that died for Europe. Do the math, everybody.
Since the end of World War II, 103,000 mostly working class Americans have died wearing the cloth of the Republic from Korea to the GWAT. From Vietnam to Afghanistan, 103,000 servicemen and women have been killed in combat.
Last year, 110,000 were murdered by fentanyl in America.
And Biden tweeted out two days ago, we're serious.
We're going to crack down on fentanyl to prevent the 70,000 deaths last year.
This cynical piece of human excrement Can't even get the figures right.
His own CDC, you gotta dig, but on the CDC website, you can find the figures for the last 12 months, and it's 110,000 people killed because of fentanyl, and the quote-unquote president says it was 70,000 and that he's gonna stop it as he dismantled the border day one after the inauguration.
These are the stakes involved, Steve.
And you know better than most because you've worn the cloth of the republic.
These people don't give a damn for those who bleed and die for this nation and those who are being poisoned in East Palestine.
They just don't care, Steve.
steve bannon
Dr. Gorka, the Chinese foreign ministers in Moscow right now, they're talking, the mainstream media is saying, you know, Morning Joe is talking about, oh no, the Chinese will never make this bet.
Was it Molotov-Ribbentrop pact that was done in 1939?
Was between the Nazis and the Soviets.
Is this the equivalent?
Because we know they're working in secret.
Talk to me about this.
sebastian gorka
Talk to me about what's happening right now.
That's a really good analogy. That's an amazing historic analogy.
Why? Because it's easy to overplay what we're witnessing between Beijing and Moscow right now.
Why? Because they hate each other.
Look, these are two nations that see each other as enemies.
And China wants to gobble up Russia piece by piece, starting with the surfeit of Chinese men that they're having marry the women in Eastern Siberia.
And Russia hates them.
I mean, look, Putin's a racist murderer.
He hates the Chinese as much as anybody else.
But the same was true for Russia, the Soviet Union, and Hitler's Germany.
And they had that secret pact.
They decided together to carve up Europe, to take, you know, Moscow was going to take Poland from the east and Hitler was going to take Poland from the west.
And they drew it up in secret.
So the idea that they hate each other doesn't mean there can't be a secret pact.
And you know what?
I don't have the evidence, but the idea that things aren't happening behind closed doors that will affect the US national interest right now in Moscow, Steve, you know it's happening.
There are very few strategic nations in the world.
Russia and China are two of them.
steve bannon
Yeah. We're going to take a short commercial break.
Andy Biggs is going to join us from Yuma.
Dr. Gorka is going to be here.
We've got Ben Burquam, Tiffany Justice.
Next hour, Dr.
Bradley Thayer, Frank Gaffney.
There's a redeployment, I think, of strategic nuclear weapons.
I'm going to get Dr. Gorka's thoughts on that.
Frank Gaffney's later.
Joe Allen, we are jam-packed.
And the pedal is to the metal.
unidentified
Only in the war room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
steve bannon
Okay, CPAC.org slash War Room, $47 off the ticket.
We're going to be there for four days.
You're going to be part of the audience.
This is going to be a command performance.
We're going to see everybody there.
We're going to be packed. We've already got amazing stuff that we're programming in that's going to happen.
So I want to see everybody there, like in Arizona, like in Dallas.
This is going to be fantastic. We're waiting for Andy Biggs.
I think he stepped off the panel.
He's going to join us in a second from Yuma.
We've got Ben Burquam. I want to go back to Dr.
Gorka. Dr. Gorka, we know the State Department today is...
sebastian gorka
Oh, I'm sorry. Friday morning, I'll be speaking from the CPAC. Friday morning.
steve bannon
Hang on one second, I'm going to come back to you, so we're going to get all this.
I got Andy Biggs.
Congressman Biggs, tell us about you.
Why are you guys in a field?
Why are you there for a field hearing?
What's it been like? What kind of feedback are you guys getting?
andy biggs
Well, we have been on this field hearing because this is really a crisis, and quite frankly, some of our guys haven't been down to the border as much, but we have to elevate this discussion, and the way you do it is you have a field hearing where you actually bring in witnesses So they don't know I'll have to come to Washington, D.C. So we have talked to everybody from farmers and ranchers and local business people, to local elected officials, to local law enforcement, to the community food bank.
These people could not have come to Congress to testify.
We came to them and they provided us incredible insight about what's happening here.
You know, everything from going to the border and seeing all the gaps.
Now, Steve, I've been down to Yuma I don't know how many times, but it always reinforces to my mind the acuteness of this crisis that's happening here.
A lot of people don't realize that we're facing everything from a hospital that's being traumatized because it's got $26 million plus in uncompensated care.
Think about that in a community of 100,000 people.
This is not New York where you have all these places.
You have people who are from this community that can't even get into a bed in an emergency room sometimes or even in the maternity ward.
The nearest place is 180 miles away, either in San Diego or Phoenix.
So it's not just fentanyl.
It's not just drug trafficking, sex trafficking.
It is the impacts of the total community impact of illegal aliens crossing our border with impunity.
That we're visiting today.
steve bannon
Congressman Biggs, I think what people are shocked about, these are American citizens coming up and giving this testimony and putting themselves out there.
Why are there no Democrats there?
andy biggs
Well, the Democrats have chosen not to participate because they don't, in my opinion, they don't want to face the truth.
They've crafted a narrative.
They said there's nothing going on on the border, and they don't want to face the truth.
They should have come here, and if they really believe that, engaged in the debate.
They don't want to debate. They don't want the truth to be known.
They don't want to expose that they've been wrong.
And so they chose simply not to come.
steve bannon
Do you believe you're getting more evidence?
You were the first out of the box, really, with the serious one, with the impeaching of Mayorkas.
Do you believe you're picking up more information today that will lead to that, sir?
andy biggs
Yes, I think so, and I think that more of our colleagues are convinced of it.
I mean, when you come down and you hear and see the physical evidence and you're talking to people, you're not talking to Andy Biggs anymore, you're talking to actual people who are impacted and infected, and you come to realize that this is purposeful.
I think people are starting, even within Congress, are starting to move our way and understand the gravity of the situation.
We had one member say today, we're going to lose our country.
We are going to lose our country if we don't secure the border.
That's one thing that President Trump was always right about, is if you don't have a secure border, you certainly don't have a country.
You have no geographical integrity.
We're amassing evidence.
We're going to have to We're going to have to have an official impeachment inquiry and then press on.
But I'm hopeful that what we're doing today will actually lay a further foundation for us to go forward.
steve bannon
Congressman Biggs, how can people get to you at your website and on social media to follow all this?
andy biggs
Or you can go to biggs.house.gov and those are the two most salient ways to get a hold of me and follow me.
steve bannon
Congressman Biggs, thank you so much for doing that hearing out there.
We're going to be playing clips tomorrow, tonight, all the time.
So it's fantastic. Great job.
andy biggs
Thank you. Appreciate it, Steve.
steve bannon
Biggs and this crowd is on offense.
This is what you've got to do. Field hearings, get the dramatic testimony, and then push it out everywhere.
Seb Gorka, I'm going to get to CPAC in your role in a second, but I've got to ask you, for the United States, you're a strategist.
Geostrategically, what is more important to us in ranking priorities, the southern border of the United States, sir, or the eastern Russian-speaking border on the Eurasian landmass of Ukraine and Russia, sir?
sebastian gorka
The southern border is the imminent threat.
It's the guy in the trench with the bayonet affixed, ready to push it into your gut.
But that doesn't mean something happening 8,000 miles away isn't important either.
I just wrote a piece for Substack yesterday where I talk about, here's the scenario.
Even if you don't care about Ukraine, I get it.
What happens if Ukraine is gobbled up?
What happens if we don't support the fighters?
What happens if Poland is next?
That's a NATO nation.
Do we say Article V doesn't matter?
Do we renege on our promises to our NATO allies?
What do Polish voters think about it or Baltic state voters or Hungarian or Czechoslovak voters?
steve bannon
Dr. Gorka, in all the years of NATO, did the Russians ever make an incursion at any time to hit the tripwire of Article V, sir?
sebastian gorka
No, because they didn't invade...I'm talking about if it happens with the NATO nation.
They didn't because we knew that...
steve bannon
No, no, I know that because...
Well, at least try to stop them, maybe not go to nukes right away.
But why is a fight between two Slavic people involve us at all?
unidentified
Why is NATO even involved?
So, let's just take this scenario to its ultimate, okay?
sebastian gorka
If we're a neo-Buchananite, you know, Tuckerite, and we say it doesn't matter, how far do you let Russia expand?
Does it really matter if they take Poland?
steve bannon
Dr. Gorka, I'm not saying that.
Is this about expansion or is this about NATO expansion?
unidentified
This is NATO... Oh, no, no, please, Steve, please, please, please.
sebastian gorka
Let's not have moral equivalency between...
You know, Russia, the CIS nations, and NATO. NATO is a club that you join voluntarily.
You don't get gobbled up by them.
I was in the Hungarian Ministry of Defense in the 1990s working as a civil servant trying to get Hungary into NATO. Nobody forced us to join.
We were desperate because we knew what it meant to live under the boot of the Russians.
You have to actually want to join voluntarily.
It's not an empire expanding, it's a club.
Would you agree if your neighbor said you can't join a club?
steve bannon
No! Was there any idea in the Reagan administration, was there any idea who brought down the evil empire, that at any time NATO, or the EU for that matter, would ever expand into Ukraine?
I would love to see the evidence of that.
sebastian gorka
Let me ask another question.
steve bannon
The answer is no.
Let me ask another question.
Hang on.
Hang on. No, no.
When it came down, when it fell.
How many NATO nations...
fought with the English and the Americans in World War II? Was our ally not the Russian people?
How many NATO nations?
unidentified
What's the combat casualties of all the NATO nations?
sebastian gorka
If you want to go back in history, what would have happened to those brave colonials like George Washington if Holland, Spain, and France hadn't supported us?
You would still be part of the British Commonwealth, right?
unidentified
Am I wrong? If France hadn't come to the aid...
steve bannon
I fully... 100%.
I agree with that, but I want to bring it a little more seriously.
Seriously, have the NATO nations, since America bailed them out in the First World War, in the Second World War, outside the English that were fighting for obviously their freedom and their island, but also their empire, and quite frankly the royal family wanted to cut a deal with the Nazis, the total combat casualties.
For all the NATO nations, because we know the Russians are about 25 million.
I think all the combat casualties were under, I don't know, 50,000.
The French quit in six weeks.
The Belgium, all of them rolled over.
Norway rolled over. The Finns fought bravely for a couple of weeks.
But the NATO nations, like today...
They're not paying for this.
The British can put up one combat division.
unidentified
Steve, we had these conversations in the White House.
sebastian gorka
It's called the Freeloaders Association, right?
Do you remember when Merkel came and she was...
Banging her chest about how seriously we take defense in Germany.
And you said, excuse me, Madam Chancellor, the increment President Trump is increasing the defense budget by this year is bigger than the German defense budget.
Yes, of course.
These are all freeloaders.
But war in Europe, sooner or later, you may not be interested in it, but war is going to be interested in you, to quote a certain man called Trotsky.
steve bannon
Are you concerned that, given the lack of industrial base that we have in this country right now, that we're pouring money into this, not just money, but pouring armaments into Ukraine, that should be shipped immediately to the Far East, to the Western Pacific, and particularly for the defense of Taiwan, Dr. Gorka? Yeah. You know, one day, you and I should do a two-hour war room with no other guests, where we talk about the threat in the Pacific.
No, seriously.
sebastian gorka
You taught me in the White House.
We need to do this.
We need to tell all the listeners that the theater is the Asian theater.
China is the number one threat.
The southern border is the five-meter threat.
The strategic threat is China, Steve.
unidentified
We are in complete agreement.
sebastian gorka
And that's not just because you're a sailor.
steve bannon
By the way, this is his struggle session.
This is what I had to do to game off Jihad and into CCP. Hey, but I did!
I did, right? He was my deputy.
It took me two months. Tell me about, by the way.
You're going to be on the show at CPAC, but tell the audience right now, how can they meet you at CPAC? When are you going to speak?
unidentified
How can they get access? There'll be no entourage.
sebastian gorka
I don't do the entourage thing.
I will be... I don't even know how to spell entourage.
I will be on the ground at CPAC Thursday, Friday.
I'll be speaking from the main stage Friday.
But guys, if you want to have fun at the biggest concerted convocation...
Hang out with the War Room guys, the War Room guests, Steve and everybody else.
I will be at CPAC. And you can spot me.
unidentified
I'm not hard to spot. We're going to have Dr.
steve bannon
Gorka. We're going to get his time.
We're going to have Dr. Gorka actually live on the show, whatever morning works for him.
sebastian gorka
We're going to talk China.
unidentified
We're going to talk China. Are we going to talk China?
steve bannon
No, I'm still trying to wean you off Ukraine.
I've got to wean you off Ukraine first when we talk China.
sebastian gorka
No, no, no. It's not Ukraine. It's not Ukraine.
It's not Ukraine. It's the Eurasian landmass.
Let's talk about Spikeman and Mackinder and the Rimland and the Heartland.
steve bannon
Okay, I got that.
I'm with you. Listen, you're Hungarian.
Why can't you be more like Viktor Orban?
Why can't you be more like Viktor Orban?
sebastian gorka
Because I worked for Viktor Orban when I was in Hungary, and I can tell you stories, dude.
You don't want me to unload on Viktor.
He talks a good game, but he ain't the great savior of the West that he portrays.
steve bannon
I think you worked on him when he was just coming off being a communist.
Dr. Gorka, how can people get to all your content?
The radio show, the substack, all of it, brother.
sebastian gorka
Yeah, if anybody was a communist, it was Viktor Orban.
My dear friends, it is sebastiangorker.substack.com, sebgorker.com, all the social medias except YouTube.
We are on Rumble, on Twitter, on Facebook, on Telegram, you name it.
Just look for my name, Sebastian Gorker or Seb Gorker.
And I'll see you guys at CPAC Thursday and Friday next week.
steve bannon
Okay, Seb's going to be with us live.
We're going to give you time. He's also going to speak on Friday main stage.
You want to go there. By the way, Seb is one of dozens of the top contributors and people here in the war room are going to be there.
It's going to be jam-packed. Dr.
Gorka, thank you very much. We're going to come back.
We're going to go to Arizona.
We've got Ben Burquam at the Yuma hearings.
We also have Tiffany Justice.
Governor DeSantis has just put out a new hit list on parental rights.
She's going to join us all next in the War Room.
unidentified
We will fight till they're all gone!
sebastian gorka
We rejoice when there's no more!
unidentified
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steve bannon
Okay, welcome back.
I want to make sure, by the way, on Saturday night at 6 p.m.
in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma at the Cowboy Hall of Fame.
That is the Museum of Western Heritage.
I'm going to be there.
It is the Lincoln-Reagan dinner.
I'll be giving the talk.
We're going to actually get to meet everybody.
Go there right now to the website to make sure that Grace Chong and Captain Bannon push it out.
If you're in the general Oklahoma City area, we'd love to see it.
This is the Oklahoma County GOP, and they're all grassroots.
We couldn't be more excited.
I do very few of these, and I'm so excited to go out there.
This museum is a sacred place, and I'm so honored to be able to give a talk there for Lincoln and for Reagan.
Let's go to Yuma. We started in Pennsylvania at this hearing today.
We're going to finish up in Yuma and in Florida.
Ben Burquam, put us in the room.
Tell us what's been going on today.
ben bergquam
Steve, we've got the hearing going on behind me, the congressional hearing, field hearing of the border invasion, Biden's border invasion.
And you just heard Harriet Hagman, she just wrapped up, Senator from Wyoming.
Thank God she crushed Liz Cheney.
This is the fight for America's future.
It's a fight for our children and our grandchildren.
And as Joe Biden's, he has abandoned the people of Ohio.
He's abandoned the people on the southern border.
And I just want to show you some of the evidence I got yesterday.
I was just down there at 3 a.m.
actually it was today 3 a.m.
this morning when I landed went down to Yuma and it's it's just non-stop we saw groups coming across I found this passport of a young girl who eight-year-old young girl from Colombia don't know if she was trafficked or not but the amount of human trafficking child trafficking slavery is out of control Money from India.
We continue to find that.
Currencies from all over the world because they know that they're going to get your money when they come into our country.
Other passports. IDs from Panama, which is unique because people in Panama typically don't come illegally into the United States except the pressure that's coming from Colombia and Venezuela.
And then this one is really great.
Norway. Found a passport from Norway.
And I was talking to Matt Gates this morning.
He said he was talking to Border Patrol.
And the reason we're getting Norwegians coming across, they're dumping their passports.
But it's mainly Syrians who've already immigrated to Norway, gotten political asylum, but now see that the gravy train is open in America, so now they're coming across.
But they have to dump their ID before they come, or else they don't qualify for asylum.
It's an absolute disaster, and I've just got my final thought to Kamala Harris.
The last thing I have is... A stack of money from Venezuela.
This used to be worth about $100,000 U.S. It's worth a penny today.
It was given to me by Chuck Holt, and I was down there when I was on the southern border.
This is the root cause to all of you Democrats.
It's socialism, communism, and corruption.
You are the root cause.
The people that are not in this room, that should be in this room, they are the root cause.
And until we stop this, America is not America any longer.
steve bannon
Ben, are you heading back to East Palestine?
What is your travels over the next day or two?
ben bergquam
Yeah, I'm actually, we're looking at flying back possibly tonight.
I can't get this worthless currency back in my pocket, so I'll just hold it.
We're looking at flying back tonight, and I may be there on the ground with John Fredericks tomorrow, but there may be some other border stuff going on tonight, so it's a little bit flexible, but as soon as I can be back in East Palestine, I'll be there before heading to CPAC. We'll have you on the border or East Palestine.
steve bannon
Ben Berkwam, real quickly, what's your social media?
ben bergquam
How do people get to you on REV? At Ben Berkwam on all social media and Real America's Voice, americasvoice.news or frontlineamerica.com.
steve bannon
Fabulous, fabulous journalism.
Look forward to talking to you tomorrow. Let's go to Florida.
Governor DeSantis has put out a hit list on school board members.
Tiffany Justice, get us up to date because Governor DeSantis is on a roll on this.
tiffany justice
He absolutely is.
He put out a 10-point plan education agenda where he really said where he stands as far as education is concerned.
We want education and not indoctrination.
We want our schools open.
We will not support woke gender ideology or CRT in schools.
And so this list is representative of That school board members that do not align with the DeSantis education plan.
And he was very clear that there is no place for people that want to indoctrinate our children serving in elected office in Florida.
You know, Florida's where woke comes to die.
So very excited to be able to work with him on this project.
steve bannon
I got a question. What I'm very impressed is that he's come out.
He's got a lot of corporate pressure against him, a lot of me, obviously all the media, all these NGOs.
Is he backing off an inch on this or is he doubling down?
tiffany justice
He's doubling down.
And I think I would just say for our moms, you know, they take a lot of confidence in that.
Our moms are attacked all the time.
So many horrible names are said, so many articles written that are not true in mainstream media.
And so for us to see a governor who's cutting through the noise and who is saying, listen, if you say you want to indoctrinate our kids and teach them that boys are girls and girls are boys, we're not going to stand for that.
And I think it's only kind of adding fuel to the fire here for him and definitely for us as parents.
steve bannon
Do you see that we can use Florida as a model and roll this out to the rest of the nation, given the network of Moms for Liberty you've set up?
tiffany justice
And it's happening already, Steve.
So in 2021, we had a Parents' Bill of Rights in Florida that was signed into law.
The governor signed it into law.
And I'm happy to report today that there are 13 states where Parents' Bill of Rights is moving through committee.
So yes, absolutely.
We're seeing the Parental Rights and Education Bill that said that gender identity and sexual instruction should not be taught in grades K through 3.
That bill is moving in different committees across The United States of America in state legislatures, and some are taking it further where parents wanted it to go, which was K-8 or completely no gender ideology or sexual orientation instruction at all in public schools.
So absolutely, I think people are watching Governor DeSantis stand up on these issues and other governors Like Governor Sanders, Governor Reynolds, Governor Stitt, Governor Youngkin, you know, making meritocracy where we need to be when we talk about what is the goal of American education.
We want these kids to learn and we want to unfold their full potential.
And I think he is giving a blueprint for what that looks like.
steve bannon
Tiffany, what's the social media?
How do people get to Moms for Liberty?
tiffany justice
How do people get to you? Yeah, MomsForLiberty.org.
You know I say it every time.
We've got a big map. Click on that map on your state.
See if we have a chapter in your county.
You can follow me on Twitter at 4TiffanyJustice or at Moms4Liberty.
Make sure you do a capital M. Apparently Twitter has some weird rules about capitalization and Twitter handles.
But definitely follow us and reach out.
We would love to have more membership, Steve.
And really, I think the beauty here is that moms and dads are making education a priority.
And having a seat at that table the other day just proved that.
steve bannon
The parental rights movement, one of the most important movements in this nation right now.
Tiffany Justice, thank you.
unidentified
Honored to have you on here. Thank you.
steve bannon
Okay, we're going to take a short commercial break.
There are big things happening on the Eurasian landmass, from nuclear weapons to new alliances.
We're going to get to the bottom of all of it.
Short commercial break.
We're going to return with the second hour of the War Room momentarily.
unidentified
We rejoice when there's no more.
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