Feb. 14, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
| MAGA media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | |
| The court is now in session. | ||
| I'm presiding judge Emilia Velasquez. | ||
| This is a time and date set for the arraignment on case number 2023-00041, State of Arizona v. | ||
| George Allen Kelly. | ||
| And if I can have the defendant please state his name for the record. | ||
| George Allen Kelly. | ||
| May I ask a question, Your Honor? | ||
| Yes, you may. I can't read without my reading glasses. | ||
| Okay. They're not prescription reading glasses, just 1.5 magnification or anywhere close to that. | ||
| All right. So I'm going to go ahead and have these glasses provided to you so you can go ahead and see the complaint. | ||
| Thank you. And I just want to make sure that you heard what I said right now and that you have full awareness. | ||
| Yes, I heard what you said, and I'm aware of everything I can hear. | ||
| And now thanks to you, I'll be aware of what I can read. | ||
| Very good. I can open. | ||
| Alright, so it appears that you have one count against you, and that's first-degree murder. | ||
| That's alleged on or about the 30th day of January of 2023. | ||
| Intending or knowing that this conduct would cause death with premeditation did cause the death of the victim with the initials of GCB, and that's a class one felony. | ||
| I'm going to go ahead and appoint an attorney, but I will tell you that it's an indigent attorney list, right? | ||
| Public defenders. Would you Kindly. | ||
| Well, just one moment. So what's going to have to happen is you're either going to have to retain your own attorney or you're going to have to go ahead and talk to the attorney that will temporarily be appointed and discuss with her rates. | ||
| I will talk to the attorney that you're going to appoint. | ||
| All right. Very well. | ||
| So at this time then, I'm going to go ahead and appoint Ms. | ||
| Brenda Larkin and she will be coming into the jail to see you. | ||
| So at this time, Mr. | ||
| Kelly, then, I'm going to continue to hold you on the $1 million cash bond. | ||
| So your next hearing is going to be the 8th of February, and it will be at 9 o'clock in the morning. | ||
| Your Honor, may I ask a question? | ||
| Brad? You used the word indigent. | ||
| Would you please give me your definition of indigent? | ||
| It's someone that has an income a certain income that doesn't qualify them for that qualifies them for a hired attorney but somebody who's not that doesn't make a certain amount of money a year right somebody who's not making more than probably twenty thousand dollars twenty five thousand dollars a year that's more than accurate I understand thank you Your Honor, may I ask one more question at appropriate time? | ||
| One moment, please. Go ahead and proceed, Mr. | ||
| Kelly. I noticed coming in, Your Honor, my wife is present in the court. | ||
| May I ask her to make an appointment for an audio-visual conference and I have not been able to talk to her or anyone? | ||
| So that's something that has to be discussed with the detention facility downstairs. | ||
| So that conversation would have to be had with them, sir. | ||
| Okay? So if your wife wants to have communication with you, she can go to the sheriff's office and they can go ahead and make the proper accommodation that they need to make. | ||
| I appreciate you giving that instruction. | ||
| It's Tuesday, 14 February in the year of our Lord, 2023. | ||
| We got a lot going on from Alaska to Washington, D.C., to Ohio, where DeWine was forced to have a conference today, a press conference after our show this morning, and he admitted... | ||
| He finally admitted that he gave authority to do the control burn. | ||
| We're going to get into all of it, including the economy and much more. | ||
| But we're going to start with Sheriff Mark Lamb, one of the greatest sheriffs in this country. | ||
| Sheriff Lamb, I'm kind of confused here. | ||
| It's a first-degree murder charge, a million dollars cash bail. | ||
| He can't even see his wife. | ||
| I don't think he gets his glasses. | ||
| The guy makes under $25,000 a year. | ||
| What the hell is going on down in Arizona, sir? | ||
| That's an American citizen right there. | ||
| Am I not correct about that? | ||
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You're absolutely correct. | |
| While I do not know the details of this case, I think in most Americans' eyes this seems excessive, especially while we're seeing across this country time and time again Hardcore criminals, guilty of probably as bad, if not worse, are being allowed to be released. | ||
| We had a guy in our own county, killed his mom, his mom, his dad, his sister, and his six-year-old niece, and got less of a bond, and he killed him with a knife. | ||
| So I just think that this feels excessive, especially in his state in life, and leaving his wife out there to fend for herself on a On that property where clearly illegals are coming through there, I certainly think that they could have done better here. | ||
| But I do not know the details of the case, so I will reserve that for them, that they may have something that I don't know. | ||
| Well, it seems like they put it all out in the public. | ||
| I mean, he lives right down in that hardscrabbled ranching area. | ||
| I mean, he's right on the border, right? | ||
| I mean, he's as close to the border as you can possibly get. | ||
| Illegal aliens come through there every night. | ||
| You know how they come through on like a superhighway. | ||
| The cartels are bringing them up. | ||
| And I think he shot warning shots early in the day, and then he looks like he shot an illegal alien coming across and killed him. | ||
| Is that a first degree murder charge? | ||
| Is that a million dollars cash bail? | ||
| Is that being isolated almost in solitary confinement away from your wife at the age of 74 years old, sir? | ||
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I think they're going to have a tough time making that case, Steve, especially he used the term premeditated. | |
| Premeditated is when I sit in my house and come up with a plan to go and kill somebody. | ||
| I do not believe they're going to be able to meet that burden of proof, and I think they're going to have a tough time meeting the burden of proof beyond self-defense. | ||
| We have the ability to protect our properties, and here's a 73-year-old man with clearly an elderly wife as well. | ||
| What right do they have to protect their property? | ||
| If he feared for his life and the life of his wife or somebody else or feared serious physical injury, then that certainly falls within the justification of using deadly force, whether they're armed or not. | ||
| It's his ability to articulate that. | ||
| Sheriff Lamb, just give me the example you gave in your county. | ||
| What happened with this individual? | ||
| How many people did he kill with a knife and what was he charged with? | ||
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He killed his mom, his dad, his sister, and his six-year-old niece who, by the way, he decapitated. | |
| And I believe his bond was $500,000 cash. | ||
| And we're a very pro-law, rule of law county where we hold people accountable. | ||
| So I just look at this bail and I see it as pretty excessive. | ||
| And I think this is what the Constitution was trying to keep American citizens from having undue bail or placed upon them, you know. | ||
| Look, I'm not the judge in this case but it certainly doesn't seem right. | ||
| Sheriff Lamb, this is what strikes people in the rest of the country, that it appears that the border is out of control. | ||
| It's wide open. There's an invasion of the country. | ||
| And where you have certain authorities, they're not coming down on the illegal aliens or the criminals coming across or the cartels coming across. | ||
| But when they got to come down on something, they drop the anvil on American citizens. | ||
| Is that an incorrect perception that the rest of the country has right now? | ||
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No, it's not an incorrect perception. | |
| It is the perception that the American people are getting. | ||
| Why? Because we're seeing time and time again where criminals are not being held accountable. | ||
| And then a good citizen does something like this to protect his property, and he's held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. | ||
| So this is what Americans are seeing, and you're seeing it. | ||
| I'm seeing it. It feels political in nature in many cases. | ||
| And I don't think this case is helping that narrative. | ||
| This poor old guy, you heard him in there talking, he seems like a very nice guy, no criminal history, to be there on a million dollar cash bill that I highly doubt he's going to be able to achieve. | ||
| And then they shut down the GoFundMe on top of that. | ||
| So it doesn't look good. | ||
| Sheriff Lamb, is it just our perception? | ||
| It seems things in Arizona have even gotten worse since Katie Hobbs illegitimately took the position. | ||
| Is that a wrong perception, too? | ||
| It seems like she's even more aggressive in the open borders campaign of other source-backed individuals like herself. | ||
| Is our perception of that wrong? | ||
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No, I think your perception is right. | |
| What we're seeing across this country in Arizona, we're starting to see that here, is As more and more left-leaning, hardcore liberal attorney generals and county attorneys and judges are being elected, what we're seeing is that they're being more and more emboldened in their decisions to hold the American people accountable. | ||
| And that's alarming to a lot of us. | ||
| It was alarming to me. I kept saying that the most important position in this last election, I thought, was the attorney general. | ||
| And I will tell all of you that your county attorneys, your attorney general, those are the people that are responsible when you get something like a million dollar bill. | ||
| And judges, of course, do. I mean, we always talk about term limits. | ||
| If we're going to talk about term limits on politicians, we should absolutely include judges in on that because not only are they legislating for the bench, but a lot of the egregious behavior we're seeing is coming from judges in this country. | ||
| Sheriff Lamb, how can people follow you? | ||
| How do they follow you on social media? | ||
| And how do they find out more information about you? | ||
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What's your website? Come see me at AmericanSheriff on Instagram, Sheriff Lamb on Facebook. | |
| You can check us out at AmericanSheriff.com and come see all the good things we're trying to do here. | ||
| We're trying to uphold the rule of law, standing up for freedom, the Constitution, the American people. | ||
| I think the majority of Americans still feel that way. | ||
| And this is still the greatest country in the world, and that's why I fight for it every day. | ||
| Sheriff Lamb from Pinal County, every time I go around the country, people say, hey, if you run into Sheriff Mark Lamb, say hi. | ||
| So hi, thank you very much for doing this. | ||
| You've got a lot of fans, not just in the war room posse, but throughout the country. | ||
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Yeah, thank you, sir. I didn't mean to stamp over you. | |
| Thank you for being such a strong voice for freedom and for all things right and common sense. | ||
| So thank you. Thank you, brother. | ||
| Fight on. Sheriff Mark Lamb, the Sheriff of Pinal County, Arizona, and a guy who stands there for the Constitution and law and order in the cauldron down there in southern Arizona. | ||
| Let's get Todd Bensman. Todd, before I talk about it, you've got a great excerpt from the book in the Post. | ||
| Give me your perception of what we've seen in this situation down south of Tucson on the border with Mr. | ||
| Kelly. Right. | ||
| Well, I mean, first of all, I'm with the sheriff and saying we don't really know the full story of that circumstance, but I'm always suspicious anytime somebody's self-defense GoFundMe page gets canceled. | ||
| That's a kind of a red flag that maybe there's some politics seeping into a case. | ||
| There's no reason why somebody can't have a, we're innocent until proven otherwise, you can have a GoFundMe page. | ||
| The border right now, though, you agree with me that the cartels now, it's an open highway. | ||
| I mean, the invasion's as bad as it ever has been, Todd? | ||
| Well, it's changing. | ||
| What you're seeing is a real surge in runners and gotaways, people that are just pouring over, especially east of Tucson and in Juarez, El Paso. | ||
| And in the Rio Grande Valley area again, they're running. | ||
| People are You know, in vehicles and trucks and through the brush and all the rest of that. | ||
| We are seeing a redirection of migrant give-up traffic. | ||
| We call that give-up. | ||
| The people that, you remember, 3,000 people all at once coming in and then they're just waiting there for Border Patrol to come get them to process them into the country. | ||
| Well, now they're being processed in through ports of entry, as I've explained over and over on this show. | ||
| So it looks a little bit calmer in places. | ||
| I had a Border Patrol agent call me just the other day and say, man, it's like dead here all of a sudden. | ||
| But that doesn't mean that just as many people aren't coming in. | ||
| They're just coming in in a different way, being handed off in the ports of entry. | ||
| Tens and tens of thousands. | ||
| I was looking at the numbers just yesterday. | ||
| Very significant numbers are still coming through. | ||
| But then you've got people that can't get in through that program or won't wait for it because they have obvious criminal histories and they're running. | ||
| That's why you're seeing that. | ||
| Well, that's my point. Well, that's what happened to this guy. | ||
| The runners are the most dangerous, right? | ||
| They're the guys that either can't get through it or maybe carrying something they can't get a parole for, right? | ||
| Yes. Ben's been hanging right there. | ||
| The New York Post thing's amazing. | ||
| We got Todd Benzman from CIS. We got the Peter Navarro. | ||
| Jeffrey Clark is going to draw us to Michael Patrick Leahy. | ||
| Big developments in Ohio today on the controlled burn. | ||
| All next in The War Room. | ||
| We got Benzman on here now. | ||
| He just, you know, he hit his mark. | ||
| Because of the games they're playing on the invasion of the southern border, and we're going to have Navarro in here in a second, who was Trump's right-hand man in trying to shut this thing down. | ||
| You got the runners. | ||
| Because they do the humanitarian paroles, the game, the system, and get more illegals into the country, and this is why Mallorca's all of them are going to get impeached. | ||
| We've got to shut it down. The runners are actually more dangerous. | ||
| Right? Because now you get the real bad guys that know they can't get in the other way. | ||
| They're going to come. This is how the cartels come up. | ||
| This is how the drugs come up. So you've got a 74-year-old man that can't see. | ||
| He's got a wife lonely. And by the way, this ranch is hardscrabbled right down on the border. | ||
| And they're blowing up every night just like a superhighway. | ||
| And he takes some guy out coming across. | ||
| Supposedly earlier in the day he fired warning shots. | ||
| We don't know all the details, but he took some guy out. | ||
| They got him on a first-degree murder and a million-dollar cash bail. | ||
| And Mark Lampstown in Pinal County, they got a guy, what, killed his mother, killed his father, killed his sister, and decapitated the baby. | ||
| Decapitated the baby, all kill him with a knife, not a gun. | ||
| I mean, up close and personal, kill him with a knife. | ||
| $500,000 bail. | ||
| I want you to get Burning Man over this. | ||
| Because this is what's happening in this country. | ||
| They're gaming the system to allow an invasion of this country where we're spending all the frickin' time and money on the eastern border, Russian-speaking eastern border Ukraine. | ||
| They have an invasion of this country. | ||
| Todd Benzman, how many people have come in on Biden's watch? | ||
| I would call me illegal. I know you get different categorization. | ||
| Just give me the body count. How many have come in? | ||
| Is it five million? | ||
| Is it six million? How many? | ||
| I mean, conservatively, it looks like about five and a half million if you count the gotaways so far. | ||
| We got two more years. I want everybody to think about that. | ||
| That's bigger than how many states in the union, right? | ||
| Were there 20 states below that? | ||
| I want everybody in this audience to think about it for a second because they don't want you to be awakened. | ||
| They want you just to lull you to sleep on all this other stuff. | ||
| UFOs, the aliens, got the aliens over top of you. | ||
| But don't look at the five and a half or six million illegal aliens in this country. | ||
| And like they said, they got a right to asylum. | ||
| You don't have any right to asylum. | ||
| It's the citizens of this country's country. | ||
| Benjamin, tell me, the New York Post is now, they've done a great excerpt of your book. | ||
| Tell me about it. Well, if you want to find the trail out of this mess at the border, you have to understand the trail that got us into the mess. | ||
| And that trail, as I point out in the book, disclose in the book, starts with the Mexican government, which waited until after the election, two days after the election, and passed a pre-written law, federal law in the Mexican Congress that effectively required the emptying of 58 detention centers throughout Mexico of all families. Anybody with a family | ||
| that has kids, all are released. | ||
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We just lost him. Yeah. | |
| Okay, let's get Navarro. | ||
| Peter, I'm going to bring you on. I'm going to bring Peter in by phone. | ||
| Let's reboot. Let's reboot Benzman. | ||
| Peter, you were President Trump's right hand on this. | ||
| Correct me if I'm wrong, brother. | ||
| Wasn't it Peter Navarro that dropped the hammer on Mexico about tariffs? | ||
| You're not going to play ball here if you're going to be cute about this? | ||
| We're going to jack up some tariffs. | ||
| We're going to inspect every truck that comes across the border. | ||
| We're going to play economic hardball. | ||
| And didn't they fold, sir? | ||
| Let me correct your syntax, Admiral. | ||
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It was Trump trying to control the border. | |
| Hey, we did it! No, it was a great day in the Oval. | ||
| The president, after a year and a half or so, he was just like sick and tired of all these legal games everybody was playing. | ||
| He said, hey, how can we do this? | ||
| And it's like, can we throw tariffs on them? | ||
| And I look at Cipollone and say, yeah, we can do this under this statute. | ||
| And so, like, immediately we threatened Mexico with tariffs. | ||
| agreed immediately. Well, the press went after us for like, I don't know, eight hours. | ||
| No, no, but hang on. | ||
| Hang on. Hold it. Hold it. | ||
| Hold it. Slow down. | ||
| Slow down. I want to go back because I want the people to have the lived experience of being in the Oval Office of Donald J. Trump. | ||
| People have got to understand, when Trump's trying to do this stuff, Peter, they come at you with every different angle. | ||
| Legal, State Department, can't be done, this can't be done, this can't be done, it can't be done that way. | ||
| A million different ways you can't do it. | ||
| No, the border's just got to be open. | ||
| Five and six million people just got to come across. | ||
| They just got to come across. They're hitting you. | ||
| What does Trump say to that stuff, Peter? | ||
| How much patience does he have with that? | ||
| Not nothing, okay? | ||
| Well, there was this thing called the famous Dolly G decision. | ||
| The judge under Obama Basically created the whole catch and release and using kids as bait to get over the border. | ||
| And every time we tried to do something their way, it didn't work. | ||
| And finally the boss goes, this is bull, you know, bull-ass. | ||
| Let's get this done. | ||
| And he thought outside the box. | ||
| Tariffs. And it's like threatening Mexico with tariffs to stop illegal immigration, right? | ||
| We could do that. | ||
| Under national security rules, I looked at Cipollone and said, yeah, we can do that. | ||
| He did it. Heads exploded in the lib press. | ||
| But within 24 hours, Mexico sent by 25,000 troops to the border and adopted our safe third, which was keep them on their side of the border. | ||
| And what? You know what? Trump goes, okay, let's double this down. | ||
| I think it was O'Brien at the time. | ||
| Goes down to the Northern Triangle. | ||
| We light up Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador. | ||
| Same thing and done. | ||
| And Biden, one of the first things he did was undo that. | ||
| And that's why we got two million coming in. | ||
| This whole incident, Steve, is like, it's crazy because these guys, the runners, as you call them, were cartel members of AK-47. | ||
| And this guy's got a rifle. | ||
| He defended himself. | ||
| We don't even know if the guy who was shot was shot by him. | ||
| It's just, look, it's a two-tier system of justice, whether it's at the border, whether it's in Washington, Zee, or anywhere in between. | ||
| You know, there's a bounty on Trump people. | ||
| There's a bounty on American citizens versus illegals. | ||
| This is not Trump's America. | ||
| To that point, as I know this segment's short, episode two dropped of MAGA and the Republican Red Wave Never Was, my podcast. | ||
| It's the six-volume episodes that are going to be debuting all this week on Bannon's War Room. | ||
| And Steve, the posse put me in to the Top 50 of podcasts overnight, okay? | ||
| That's Admiral Bannon's audience. | ||
| And this is really good stuff. | ||
| Hang on. | ||
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There's some nice stuff in there about Kerry Lake and Joe Kent, by the way. | |
| Hang on, hang on. Give me that again, because this is Grace Chung at Captain Bannon. | ||
| This is the War Room audience. | ||
| We put you in the podcast. | ||
| How high up? | ||
| So I started the podcast and it was like, you know, ranked like 180 or something like that. | ||
| It was coming down because I started it slow overnight. | ||
| It went, I don't know, it's like 38 or 33 or something like that. | ||
| And then politics, okay? | ||
| And that, your audience is amazing. | ||
| This documentary though, Steve, is so important because it basically lays out what we need to do to win In 2024, and there's a whole...I mean, the two people that broke my friggin' heart in the 22 election were Joe Kent and Carrie Blake, okay? Carrie had it stolen in...it's not even arguable. | ||
| It was the worst deal in American political history. | ||
| It was just so brazen. | ||
| And Joe Kent, basically, he lost a plus-seven Republican district because of the Republican Rhinos Run and attack ads in the primary. | ||
| We can't make these stupid kinds of mistakes. | ||
| And the RNC didn't give him any money because he didn't use the consultants, right? | ||
| He had $80,000. We're going to get it up tonight. | ||
| We're going to blow it out, Peter. Let's play this clip from MSNBC on inflation. | ||
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I want your comments. To find the good news in today's inflation report from the Labor Department, joining me now is NBC News Business and data reporter Brian Chung. | |
| So, mixed bag. Yeah, certainly. | ||
| Well, the overall numbers is that 6.4%. | ||
| That's how much more expensive things are in January 2023 compared to January 2022. | ||
| And when you look at the categories that led to a lot of the price increases over that time, well, it was rent, for example, just the The cost of putting a roof over your head, but also food. | ||
| That's what Americans are feeling certainly when they go to the store. | ||
| So eggs, margarine, butter, flour, airfare also going up as well as people continue to go out and try to do that revenge spending. | ||
| So all in all, it's certainly better than the 9.1 % pace we saw in the summer, but price is still very expensive. | ||
| The grocery store is painful. | ||
| Very, yeah. Eggs up over 8 % just between December and January, so no relief on that side yet. | ||
| Great. Brian Chung, thank you very much. | ||
| We're going to get another inflation report in March, right? | ||
| Every month we get to do this. | ||
| Yeah, March, right. Hello. And then we're going to find out about whether they're going to raise rates again at the Fed. | ||
| That's right, in the middle of March. Middle of March. | ||
| All right, Brian, thank you very much. | ||
| Peter Navarro, your assessment, sir. | ||
| News release from the Biden White House. | ||
| Hey, eggs are expensive. Let them eat bacon, right? | ||
| They're the Marie Antoinette. | ||
| The big debate now on Wall Street is how fast inflation is going to come down, because that dictates how fast the Fed's got to raise interest rates. | ||
| And you watch the markets every day, and they go up or down depending on what people think about inflation. | ||
| But here's what I know, Steve. | ||
| Here's what I know. The incomes and the real wages of American blue-collar MAGA, black-brown, and blue-collar workers Are going into the toilet, okay? | ||
| That's where we're at. | ||
| And MSNBC won't talk about that, CNN won't talk about that, because they know that that is a message that hurts the Biden regime. | ||
| And it is a regime. | ||
| It's not a presidency. | ||
| It's a regime. So, you know, this economic situation, you know, I keep... | ||
| Keep saying that the other shoe is going to drop in the markets. | ||
| And there's a lot of hedge fund managers and, you know, the Morgan Stanley's world saying that the market is cruising for a crash. | ||
| And I'm sticking to that forecast because this inflation ain't going away. | ||
| It's just not going away. | ||
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Let them eat bacon, right, Biden? | |
| Extra expensive? Let them eat bacon. | ||
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Let them eat Dunkin' Donuts. | |
| Peter, how do people get to the podcast? | ||
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We've got about 30 seconds. Taking back Trump's America, just go to Apple Podcasts or Google Podcasts. | |
| You can go to my Twitter and getter feeds, Real Pete Navarro, Real Pete Navarro, and there's all sorts of news about the episodes. | ||
| And, of course, you can go to the war room thing. | ||
| And we'll have...we're going to go back to the time capsule tomorrow talking about Reagan and... | ||
| Episode two. We're going to get a top ten. | ||
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Thank you, sir. Bringing people back, we made it clear that, hey, the next piece of this is your water source. | |
| We want to test that. | ||
| Now, the good news is the majority of people who live in the East Palestine community are, in fact, on municipal water. | ||
| And those municipal sources are deep wells that they were able to intentionally reserve using the most distant ones only for feeding the water supply. | ||
| But nevertheless, there are quite a number of people who are on private water systems, mostly private wells. | ||
| We have strongly encouraged all of those people on private wells to get their wells tested, and that will be done at no cost to them. | ||
| This is something that is part of the remediation, and it's very important for the reasons I just described. | ||
| If you are one of the people who live in the impacted area and have a private water source, you're not on municipal water, I'd encourage you to call a number. | ||
| I'll read the number out. | ||
| You've heard it before. | ||
| It's 330-849-3919. | ||
| And indicate, I believe I'm in the affected area and I'd like to have my water source checked. | ||
| We're strongly recommending those who have not yet had their water source checked to use bottled water. | ||
| Bottled water is being made available again. | ||
| Same phone number that you can call if you need access to that. | ||
| This is going to be particularly important if you are pregnant, if you are breastfeeding, or if you are preparing formula for an infant. | ||
| We would encourage you to avail yourself of that water. | ||
| The bottom line is that from the very start of this, we have taken every step possible. | ||
| to assure that people's safety was first and foremost, and that with the compounds that we're talking about in consultation with experts at the national level, we have first made sure that we were providing a clean atmosphere, clean air, and now we are actively working to assure that people, for the long run, have clean water. | ||
| Thank you, Governor. | ||
| Governor, if you were to live in the area, would you feel comfortable moving back into your home? | ||
| Well, let me take the first part. | ||
| Look, I think that I would be drinking the bottled water and I would be continuing to find out what the tests were showing as far as the air. | ||
| I would be alert and concerned. | ||
| but I think I would probably be back in my house. | ||
| What? This is unbelievable. | ||
| You think you're mad in the opening segment? | ||
| About Mr. Kelly with the first-degree murder charge and the million-dollar cash bond locked up and looks like solitary confinement down there in Arizona. | ||
| You're about to get really mad. | ||
| I got to bring in Leahy first, Michael Patrick Leahy, the Ohio star. | ||
| I got Jeffrey Clark, who is President Trump's head of the Environmental Protection Force in the Justice Department, where the real deals get done. | ||
| Leahy, my head's blown up. | ||
| And I don't want to say we forced this from the war room by being on to whining these guys, but it is, you know, it's interesting that all of a sudden, after we're hammering them for a couple of days, they pop up and have a press conference. | ||
| But are they telling people now you should be drinking bottled water? | ||
| What, a week after? | ||
| They didn't do this before. | ||
| Is this the first warning? And he's sitting there going, yeah, I think the air stay indoors. | ||
| What's going on here? | ||
| Well, at that press conference today, the His Ohio health officials sort of downplayed the air and water consequences of this first derailment and then the controlled burn on February 6th. | ||
| One of the things that we did notice, however, is vinyl chloride is a carcinogen, and I don't think they really were focused that much on the long-term effects that having these chemicals in the groundwater Could possibly have. | ||
| That was an element that they underplayed. | ||
| I do have an answer to you for your question earlier today. | ||
| Hold it. Hold it. But hang on. | ||
| But hang on. Whoa, whoa. Slow down. | ||
| Slow down. Until today, because you said the governor, until today, they sent the kids back to school yesterday. | ||
| Until today, have they come out and told people they should be drinking bottled water? | ||
| Yes or no? And then, does the governor say, I would stay indoors? | ||
| He's the governor of the frickin' state. | ||
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Why are you sending the kids back to school? | |
| Did they put out things about drinking bottled water and saying about staying indoors? | ||
| Yeah, they put this out in a low-key sort of way. | ||
| But I think you're right. | ||
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the media pressure. No hold it ho ho ho ho ho ho ho whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa that was all taken off. | |
| The city's back to normal. They brought, quote unquote, back to normal. | ||
| They brought people back in. | ||
| They haven't told people to continue to shelter in place. | ||
| That was a new thing today. He says, yeah, I would stay indoors. | ||
| That's why the reporter asked the question, correct? | ||
| You are correct. I'm just reporting what he said. | ||
| Okay. Okay. | ||
| So let's see. No, no, no. | ||
| Here's my point. Here's my point. | ||
| They come up today and you said long-term, the head guy right there said you should be drinking bottled water. | ||
| And particularly if you're pregnant, you know, maybe even shouldn't be around. | ||
| Is this, I don't get it why they're doing this. | ||
| Look, it's good they're doing today, but why has it been this huge kind of gap? | ||
| In any kind of information or any kind of telling people what's going on? | ||
| Why did it take today to have this press conference from the last time he helicoptered in and had a press conference the last time? | ||
| I think it was the media pressure, in part the media pressure that you placed on him from War Room and some of our reporting at the Ohio Star. | ||
| But let me get back to the question you asked about the... | ||
| Remember, the incident happened February 3rd. | ||
| On February 6th, three days later... | ||
| There was a control burn. | ||
| You wanted to know who made that decision. | ||
| You asked me several times this morning. | ||
| I have the answer to that question. | ||
| It's our lead story at the Ohio Star right now. | ||
| He admitted in his press conference that, quote, we made the decision, the collective we. | ||
| He talked to, it was Governor DeWine, part of that we. | ||
| He consulted with the Governor Shapiro of Pennsylvania because they're 50 miles away from They're right on the border with Pennsylvania, 50 miles away from Pittsburgh, and also with, quote, unnamed federal agencies and unnamed state agencies. | ||
| So the we, it looks like to me, the we is Governor DeWine, because none of the others really had any authority. | ||
| He did not, however, cite in his press conference what legal authority gave him the right to make that decision. | ||
| What authority does he have? What's the story he had? | ||
| Because the water goes all the way in the Ohio River Valley, and the air goes right over Pennsylvania. | ||
| But hang on for one second. Did he talk about any analysis? | ||
| Because remember, there's two things going on here. | ||
| There's a controlled release, right? | ||
| There's a controlled release of the chemicals into the ditch, and then there's a controlled burn of the chemicals. | ||
| They did a release. | ||
| We have to know. It feels like Norfolk Southern had the quickest way they could do this is get the stuff out of the tanks, burn it, move the tanks, clear it, and get the trains running again. | ||
| That's what happened here. | ||
| Where's the analysis? What's the alternatives? | ||
| How do you burn this stuff in the atmosphere? | ||
| You know why they did it? Because it was the quick way to move it. | ||
| You could ask this guy five questions in complete meltdown. | ||
| Go ahead. Here's what he said. | ||
| He said that they did modeling of where the air would move in the plume when they did the controlled burn. | ||
| And he said that they developed that with the Ohio National Guard in conjunction with the Department of Defense. | ||
| So he said they had analysis before he issued that. | ||
| The collective we, but it was basically DeWine that made that decision to do the control burn. | ||
| Yeah, but hang on. The control release gets the stuff out. | ||
| You scoop it back up, put in something else, and truck it out of there, or take it back out. | ||
| You don't have to burn it into... | ||
| Anyway, you hang on for one second. | ||
| You guys have done a great job. | ||
| I've got to make this point, Steve. I've got to make this point so that we can be fair to... | ||
| Okay, go ahead. Go ahead. So what he said... | ||
| Okay, go ahead. I want to be fair. | ||
| ...on that morning of February 6th, what he said... | ||
| That the decision that he faced was either those five carriages with the hydrogen, with the vinyl chloride rather, could possibly explode, sending metal shards up around into the air and down for about a mile, or to release it in a controlled burn. | ||
| That's how they framed I don't know if that's true, but I mean... | ||
| That's the wrong... | ||
| Let me be blunt. That's the wrong framing. | ||
| You do a control release, so you take away the possibility of having the explosion. | ||
| Got that. We don't want shards of metal going everywhere. | ||
| You do a control release into the ditch, and then you pull it back into something. | ||
| You don't have to burn it. That's a separate decision. | ||
| You can put it back. Show me the alternative of putting it back into something else and trucking it out of there, putting another rail cart, getting it the hell out of there, and not burning it into the atmosphere. | ||
| That was an option that a former naval officer might come up with, right, who actually knows how to get things done. | ||
| But it was not an option that they considered whatsoever, Steve. | ||
| Okay, hold it. | ||
| Hang over a second. You guys are doing a great job. | ||
| Let me get Jeffrey Clark in here. | ||
| Clark, you ran it for Trump over in DOJ. What in the hell is going on? | ||
| Who actually in your mind has authority to make a call like that? | ||
| Is it the governor? Since the air goes all over the mid-Atlantic and blows into Pennsylvania, sir? | ||
| No, Steve. And, you know, you're right on in your analysis, as usual. | ||
| But under an executive order for a land-based release like this, it should be the federal on-scene coordinator who, in this instance, was eventually designated Who is someone from EPA, that person should have been making the analysis. | ||
| Now you can consult with the two governors, but for the two governors to do it on their own and not have EPA even do the air plume modeling once you did the controlled burn or what is often called in these kinds of situations in situ burns, right? | ||
| It's at the site burning. | ||
| It is inexplicable to me. | ||
| Why the Department of Defense? | ||
| Why wouldn't EPA, who are the real masters of plume analysis, do that? | ||
| Hang on, hang on. Jeffrey, you got to stop here. | ||
| My head's blowing up. You got the EPAs in guys' backyards. | ||
| They got a little creek running through, and they're putting them in prison because they want to grow some corn next to the creek. | ||
| You got the EPA in everybody's business. | ||
| They got their own police force. | ||
| Why in the biggest thing that's happened here recently, all of a sudden, they're like little lambs. | ||
| You've got to help me out here, because you'd have DOJ, DOD, EPA, all of them would be up somebody's keister. | ||
| So please explain to me how the on-scene coordinator, who's clearly calling back to the White House, how are they not saying, everybody stand down, we're from the government, and we're here to help, sir? | ||
| Well, that's what should happen, Steve. | ||
| And say what you want about the Obama administration, right? | ||
| I mean, everybody and his brother from every conceivable agency, I think it got up to something between 12 and 17, were down at the Deepwater Horizon disaster. | ||
| But this one seems to be one that's not gotten a lot of attention. | ||
| And I think the diagnosis is that EPA is not doing, you know, classic environmental protection. | ||
| They're focused more on You know, cultural Marxist ideas like environmental justice that the Clinton administration hatched and that this administration really has an apotheosis of. | ||
| And, you know, they're focused on the fake issue of climate change. | ||
| But if you're talking about protecting the key things that people care about for the public health, like the air and water and avoiding contamination, it seems like they're AWOL. I just want to make sure because we're breaking some news for you. | ||
| You're the first guy that has any kind of logic or credentials. | ||
| Once again, your understanding of the law being Trump's assistant secretary of Department of Justice, attorney general in this area, you're saying that the governor does not have the legal authority to make that call. | ||
| Is that correct, sir? Look, you know, if it were hyper-exigent, you know, I could see Governor kind of trying to make a call. | ||
| But I've seen a letter that references the federal on-scene coordinator. | ||
| I've seen a letter go out that under the CERCLA statute, which is about You know, cleaning up waste sites and the like. | ||
| EPA is involved in this. | ||
| So I don't understand why they weren't the ones making the determination. | ||
| Because you're basically talking if you're going to do a burn like this, kind of media trade off, like a pollution media trade off between are you going to experience more water pollution or more air pollution? | ||
| And, you know, which do you do? | ||
| Or, you know, you put economics to the side, and as you were saying, they vented the train cars, and then they lit it on fire, but they could have vented them and then scooped it up. | ||
| Yeah. Jeffrey, hang on for one second. | ||
| Leahy, hang on for one second. | ||
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| Michael Patrick Leahy. | ||
| Governor DeWine. And we're not trying to get in his business here. | ||
| I mean, he's a governor. He's won by a massive landslide. | ||
| But I'm confused. | ||
| And here's what's got me worked up. | ||
| This is deplorable central. | ||
| Eastern Ohio, Western Pennsylvania, you see the little town of East Palestine. | ||
| It ain't the Hamptons, right? | ||
| It's one of these backbone of America, working class towns. | ||
| And it seems like when it deals with working class people, nobody cares. | ||
| Did he say that he actually had the authority he took charge of this and the EPA wasn't anywhere around? | ||
| Yeah, the town of East Palestine is a wonderful little town, 5,000 people about 50 miles from Pittsburgh in Ohio. | ||
| He never mentioned once the legal authority by which he went forward with this controlled burn on February 6th. | ||
| And we were talking about the modeling. | ||
| It was done by the Ohio National Guard and the Department of Defense. | ||
| As far as I can tell, he did not reference once any onsite monitor from the EPA at the location. | ||
| And frankly, I think your guest who worked for the Trump administration, the Department of Justice, makes a compelling case that the illegal authority for this should have rested with the EPA's onsite monitor. | ||
| I don't know if there was, in fact, an EPA onsite monitor there on February 6th. | ||
| Jeffrey Clark was the head of the environmental branch as assistant attorney general of the United States. | ||
| He'll be the attorney general of the United States in the third Trump victory, second Trump term. | ||
| Jeffrey, do you normally have the company do this? | ||
| I mean, I thought something like this happens. | ||
| You have outside groups. | ||
| EPA's got all these contractors that are specialists in this. | ||
| And I understand Norfolk Southern knows how to handle the hazard material, but shouldn't you bring in somebody? | ||
| And wouldn't you like to see an analysis between the controlled release and the controlled burn? | ||
| They're two different things. You do the control release. | ||
| You get it away from the cars. | ||
| They're not going to blow up. But you get it out in the ditch, and then maybe you have the alternative of us scooping it up or sucking it up, and you transport it out on the ground and not burn it into the Earth's atmosphere. | ||
| Would normally there be tons of analysis, companies there talking, and maybe Norfolk Southern has a point of view, because what they want to do is get the cars off the track, and they want to get the track running again, because time is money for those guys. | ||
| Wouldn't you have some independent group there saying, hey, let's think this through for a second, sir? | ||
| That's right, Steve. | ||
| You would have a seat at the table for Norfolk Southern, right? | ||
| But you would definitely have all of the relevant government agencies. | ||
| You know, EPA here is particularly key because they have jurisdiction over both the Clean Air Act and the Clean Water Act. | ||
| And they would do an analysis, ideally. | ||
| Different scenarios would be presented, and they'd decide what the safest option was. | ||
| And then if all else is equal, costs can be avoided as another variable, but it's way down the list of how you would prioritize it. | ||
| In the Deepwater Horizon situation, there were Endless analyses of how to try to cap the well, what kinds of remediation to take. | ||
| I'll tell you a quick story about the in-situ burns that were done there. | ||
| That spill was 40 miles off the coast. | ||
| And, you know, there was still controversy about whether to burn it off or not, right? | ||
| But at the end of the day, it really was a no-brainer to do that in situ burning 40 miles off the coast because it kept the oil from coming into shore and the fouling, you know, oyster beds and closing beaches and the like. | ||
| But here, you're talking about a residential area. | ||
| You're going to do a burn of a million pounds of vinyl chloride, which basically releases hydrochloric acid quickly in terms of how it reacts in the atmosphere and phosgene gas from World War I. I mean, that seems like a very questionable decision, Steve. | ||
| I'd like to see the environmental analysis that came to that being the best option. | ||
| This is what we're going to get to and we're going to get it by hook or crook because those folks out there deserve to know about this. | ||
| Fosgene, by the way, we only had a bunch of treaties after the First World War. | ||
| It was so brutal on humans, right? | ||
| This is why the First World War is known as a killing field because the chemical weapons right there is created. | ||
| It's so bizarre it was done like this, and particularly Leahy, the governor comes in with the water guy and they're saying, yeah, you better be drinking bottled water, particularly if you're pregnant. | ||
| And DeWine answers a question to say, oh yeah, I would be staying indoors. | ||
| Is this dropping like a bomb in Ohio right now, Michael Patrick Leahy, this press conference this afternoon? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There are a number of folks that are actually on social media That are saying it's been overblown. | ||
| And then there are others that are saying it's been underreported. | ||
| I think the local media, I looked at Cleveland.com before I came on here, and they're reporting on the press conference, of course, mainstream media there. | ||
| They had nothing to say about who made the decision to do the control burn or the legal authority. | ||
| Wake them up. | ||
| Wake them up. Yeah, they did emphasize, however, that all of the short-term air and water problems were not that great. | ||
| That's what they emphasized at Cleveland.com. | ||
| Okay, right now, how did it get to your site? | ||
| How did it get to you, Leahy? | ||
| TheOhioStar.com, TheOhioStar.com for this story, TheStarNewsNetwork.com for our site, and you can reach me on Twitter, Getter, and Truth Social, Michael P. Leahy. | ||
| Thank you. Jeffrey Clark, how do people get to you, sir? | ||
| You're doing great work over the roughs floating the team. | ||
| So our website is americarenewing.com. | ||
| I'm at JeffClarkUS on Twitter and Getter, and at RealJeffClark on Truth Social, Steve. | ||
| And we're going to break some other news. | ||
| I'm actually running the confirmation hearing for Jeff Clark for Attorney General. | ||
| Rachel Maddow, Chris Hayes, Ari Melber. | ||
| Suck on that. My man, Jeffrey Clark. | ||
| Thank you, brother. Appreciate you coming on. | ||
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