Feb. 8, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
48:45
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| This is the primal stream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
| I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big line? | ||
| MAGA media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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Warren, here's your host, Stephen K. Vance. | |
| Okay, it's Wednesday, 8 February, Year of Our Lord 2023. | ||
| It's the morning after, I don't even know what you called this thing last night, right? | ||
| Just the lies and misrepresentations and our enemies throughout the world. | ||
| In Beijing right now, they've got to be laughing. | ||
| It's a disgrace. I want to get some sense of this, Congressman Ralph Norman. | ||
| I tell you what, Congressman, thank you for joining us. | ||
| I want to play, can we start with the Nancy Pelosi clip? | ||
| It goes forever, but I just want to give a taste of it and then get your observations. | ||
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We won't ask that question. | |
| It is fascinating that Republicans only seem, I speak as a former Republican, Republicans only seem to care about the debt and the deficit when there's a Democrat in the White House. | ||
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He's had no problem raising the debt ceiling when Donald Trump was president. | |
| We did it three times when he was, we had three Encounters had different results. | ||
| But here's the thing. I'm a big pay-as-you-go person. | ||
| PAYGO. Sometimes I get heat from my own caucus on that. | ||
| You want something? We either substitute or pay for it. | ||
| The Republicans are PAYGO, except when they want to give tax cuts to the rich. | ||
| Then they don't want to pay for them. | ||
| So that's a big chunk of the Trump debt that has been increased. | ||
| So they don't want to pay for that. | ||
| Congressman Norman, I've got to ask you. | ||
| Nancy Pelosi, is she a pay-as-you-go? | ||
| Is that just an outright bald-faced lie, sir? | ||
| Steve, not only is it a bald-faced lie, it is pay-go in she and her husband's pocket, particularly with stock trades. | ||
| I mean, the lady is a complete fraud. | ||
| The only thing she didn't do is rip her dress off and throw it away like she did the speech from Donald J. Trump. | ||
| It doesn't surprise me, but she's totally clueless. | ||
| Every time I see her hands and her theatrics, she's a complete embarrassment. | ||
| It's more of the same. It doesn't surprise me. | ||
| There will be more to come. For her to be announced on the House floor by this fraud of a president that she's going to go down as one of the best speakers in the history of the country, really unbelievable. | ||
| Congressman, you've been, in fact, you were one of the mighty 20 that changed the direction of the whole country, and you did it, and you said, hey, I didn't know if Kevin was serious about getting to a balanced budget. | ||
| Given where we are, given what you heard last night, given the gulf between the bid and the ask here on even beginning a dialogue in a negotiation on the debt ceiling, where does Ralph Norman think we are, sir, and how do you think we get to the goals that you set out? | ||
| First of all, let me just say, I'm going to give you what was good about the speech last night. | ||
| That speech by that man should unify every conservative all across this country against anything he tries to do. | ||
| That's the good part. | ||
| Now, you're exactly right to me. | ||
| Economic security is national security. | ||
| And the reason the five of us and then as it got to the 20 did what we did is because if we're bankrupt, you cannot operate a small business, a lemon stand, much less a country. | ||
| So what we're going to do is start the trajectory down. | ||
| Of spending, we've got a spending problem. | ||
| And Kevin McCarthy, while initially he was putting us on a 20-year timeframe, we don't have 20 years. | ||
| This country cannot go another 20 years like has happened under particularly the Democrats and Republicans as well. | ||
| So what you will see over the next couple of weeks is a framework of a budget that actually cuts. | ||
| And the Democrats, they can throw out Social Security. | ||
| All they want is... | ||
| I mean, that's their whipping boy. | ||
| Granny's going over the cliff. | ||
| Republicans are leading the way, and we're going to dispel that. | ||
| Now, I get we've got to get 218 votes, but what we will lay out, it's going to have to come from the people up. | ||
| You know that, Steve. I mean, it's going to have to be from the citizens rising up and saying, you need to do this, and we will point out some of the things that We're going to do away with to get this country back on a sustainable future, which it's not on right now. | ||
| Congressman Norman, you're the first one really in this whole the five days to change America to put it out there about getting the nation's finances in order and the way you do that, you've got to address spending and you've got to address it immediately. | ||
| Do you anticipate we put the framework, we had Russ Voden here to start the show in studio this morning, that you will propose in this regular order in the appropriations process of starting this year that there will be meaningful and significant cuts To the administrative state, to these programs, starting now. Not some cap that comes in a couple of years, but starting now. | ||
| Absolutely. It's got to be in writing. | ||
| And Russ Vogt is one of the ones, his budget, which was a seven-year budget that I follow and one that we will use as we move forward. | ||
| And it's not that difficult. | ||
| Look at the wokeism that's being funded all across this country. | ||
| Look at the Green New Deal that the taxpayers' dollars are being spent on. | ||
| So we're going to lay that out. | ||
| Agency by agency in the 12 appropriations bill, and we're not going to give them the luxury of putting us in a box like they did in December, where so many people voted, where the Senate Locked our hand, handcuffed us till September on that omnibus bill. | ||
| So we'll face it head on and we'll see how we come out. | ||
| But I'm very optimistic. | ||
| We've got everybody on board as far as the conservatives. | ||
| And I think Kevin will promote it because that's one of the things he committed to. | ||
| His is 10 years, but we're going to actually do it. | ||
| But we got to do more than just, we got to show it where we're cutting. | ||
| Everything should be on the table. | ||
| Congressman, Russ made a comment, and I like your thoughts on that. | ||
| He said, look, for too long, the Republican Party up here has always looked at how to dismount, how to just take a defeat. | ||
| That you need a bold turn and focus on big ideas and ideas we're going to get back up and going to win on. | ||
| Are you seeing the mindset change? | ||
| Because this is going to come from political will and toughness and the ability to grind this through. | ||
| Are you seeing that right now? | ||
| Do you think we have that will and that toughness up here among that core group that we can power this through, sir? | ||
| Everybody is a conservative until it cuts their particular program in their particular district in their particular state. | ||
| Now, there is a difference. | ||
| Those of us who have been in the business arena, you negotiate. | ||
| You don't take the first. You don't settle. | ||
| I guess the biggest thing I would message I would send, we're not going to settle now. | ||
| We're going to actually have real cuts. | ||
| We're going to lay it out, and the American people are going to have to bring those who are not used to the rough and tumble of a deal, and not just words. | ||
| If all we're going to do is have words and shuffle the deck, And still end up with the same result, that's not going to work. | ||
| But now, you know, we've got 20 of us that are still available. | ||
| If we don't get that, we will hold out until we do. | ||
| And I'm sick and tired of, well, what we heard last night was just words. | ||
| That wasn't even, there were lies and words. | ||
| And Republicans have got to back it up. | ||
| If we don't have the steel, if we don't have the toughness, we're going to have to get it. | ||
| And we've got a short time to do it. | ||
| Congressman, how can people follow you on this? | ||
| Because this is going to be the main event. | ||
| How do people get to know you better and how do they get to follow you? | ||
| RhettBralfNorman.com. Follow me on social media, Twitter, and we're going to lay it out there. | ||
| In the next couple of weeks, I think the American people will like what they see. | ||
| And it's common sense what things that we're going to cut. | ||
| Regulations have to go with that too, Steve. | ||
| We can't just, I mean, we've got so many other things, energy independence that need to go to get this country back, but it's right now, it's spending on programs that should have been sunsetted a long time ago, and I think you will see us do that, and we've got to have the will to carry it through. | ||
| Well, this audience, the most massive audience of activists in the country, 1,000 % have your back from the very first time you came on. | ||
| I mean, it was like water to people in the desert. | ||
| So just let us know when. | ||
| They're at the ramparts and ready to back your play at any time. | ||
| So the next couple of weeks and months are going to be quite enlightening about the fight we got ahead of us, sir. | ||
| So honored to have you on here. | ||
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Mahana, thank you. Thank you, sir. | |
| Congressman Ralph Norman from South Carolina has been at the tip of this and the leadership of this. | ||
| This is why we wanted to start today with Vogt and Lou Dobbs and people like Norman. | ||
| Serious people that understand the crisis we're in. | ||
| No more happy talk. By the way, it's going to be a fight. | ||
| Remember, you're the chairman of the creditors committee. | ||
| You're the full faith and credit of this nation. | ||
| It depends upon you. It rests on your shoulders. | ||
| And this is going to be a fight because this is about money and it's about power. | ||
| Do we have Matt up? | ||
| Let's get Matt Schlapp. | ||
| Hey, Matt, we've had all morning talk about this fight over spending, over the debt ceiling, the things that came up last night. | ||
| It couldn't be a better time to have CPAC rolling along because they're going to be presenting these budgets in the next couple of weeks. | ||
| Give us an update on CPAC. I see some of the great new speakers you've got up. | ||
| But walk people through. People are getting stoked now because, understand, we've got to fire off the football to change the direction of this country, sir. | ||
| Well, a couple of things. First of all, I give you credit for all these announcements coming out. | ||
| You know, CPAC is a big ordeal. | ||
| It's millions of dollars to put it on. | ||
| We want to strike the right tone. | ||
| So we're kind of like fiddling with the agenda as we go. | ||
| But in the last 48 hours, you can really see the tenor of the people that are coming. | ||
| Look, there's two themes here. | ||
| The first theme is, we got a little power back in Washington. | ||
| We got to reclaim our capital. | ||
| And part of that is, now that we have the House of Representatives constitutionally, that's the power of the purse. | ||
| We've got to have the Republican Party say, we've actually got only two powers. | ||
| We can subpoena people through the Government Reform Committee, and that's Congressman James Comer, who's going to really, really become a very important person in our country. | ||
| The second thing is the power of the purse. | ||
| This is why this speaker fight was so critical. | ||
| And Ralph Norman, I just love that man. | ||
| I love him as a human being and I love him as a leader. | ||
| Because we have to fundamentally change, through threats if necessary, the fact that the Republican Party will finally use the power of the purse for the first time substantially since 1995 and the perceived failure of the government shutdown of Newt Gingrich and the gang back then. | ||
| We feel like that's a loser to try to fight on money, and it's not. | ||
| Because if we don't fight, who will? | ||
| We're going to lose the country. | ||
| And I think today's Republican, who's gotten elected to Congress, gets the fact that we have to change our process and use that power. | ||
| If the leadership doesn't use the power of the purse on the debt extension and the budget and a couple of these must-pass things, there's going to be a new leadership. | ||
| Steve, I'm telling you, they 100 % understand that. | ||
| You know, it's serendipity because you've decided because of the COVID situation, you went to Florida, you went to Texas. | ||
| These things were fantastic. You decided to bring back CPAC to the nation's capital. | ||
| And you see last night, Ralph Norman's opening with us was quite, I thought... | ||
| Brilliant. If you want to see what to unify around, Biden did it last night with that speech, and you couldn't have a better kickoff to this to bring everybody together, to really get together, have an open talk, a partner's discussion, and then fire off the football after the first couple of days of March. | ||
| When you say that strike the tenor and the type of speaker, what are the themes, the things you're going to be talking about, like the workshops, and then the personalities? | ||
| Who's coming, and what are we going to be talking about? | ||
| I'll break a little news on War Room, my favorite I literally get the text early in the morning from Bannon saying, come on, man, what do we got to talk about today? | ||
| There's so much, and I've been a little slow on the switch, so I've got to make up for that. | ||
| JD Vance is coming, which I think is critically important. | ||
| I think he's a very important new voice. | ||
| We have a whole slew of senators coming, by the way, the right ones. | ||
| We announced Ted Cruz within the last 24 hours. | ||
| We have Laura Trump coming from the great state of North Carolina. | ||
| She's got a bright future. | ||
| Team Trump seems to be fully embracing CPAC, which won't surprise you. | ||
| And although he's got to go make the case as to why he believes he should be the nominee and the next president, the people of CPAC have a sentimental affection for the president because of everything that he did. | ||
| And I think it's going to be a great kind of homecoming for him. | ||
| But there's going to be some of these people that want to take him on, which I'm for letting this process unfold. | ||
| I think if Trump is the eventual nominee, I think he will be. | ||
| It makes him better to go through that process and, you know, sharpen steel. | ||
| And you say the topics. | ||
| We're going to be on that stage talking about, you know, what are we doing in Ukraine? | ||
| Is this going to lead to a greater conflagration in nuclear war? | ||
| Republicans are of two minds. | ||
| You have some Republicans that are like fun, fun, fun. | ||
| You got other Republicans that are saying this is a danger. | ||
| We're going to talk about that on the stage. | ||
| We have some people that are de-transitioning from this whole craziness of the gender battles that, you know, they're using to indoctrinate our kids. | ||
| That's going to be on this stage. | ||
| Those people are going What's the right way to handle pro-life now that we have the Dobbs decision? | ||
| All this will be on the stage. | ||
| Matt, can you hang on one second? | ||
| We're taking a short break. Matt Schlapp, head of CPAC, joins us on the other side. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bach. | ||
| There's a bunch of breaking news out of Ukraine. | ||
| Zelensky's in London as president. | ||
| So we're gonna have Posobiec, Darren Beattie, and Ben Harnwell. | ||
| Ben Harnwell from Rome join us momentarily. | ||
| You know, Matt... It was really, we're going to be there with a full, not just entourage, we're going to do the show and it's really about popular demand. | ||
| Our audience had come to us in the chats and everything like that. | ||
| The ones that made it to Dallas had such an incredible time and that's really kind of where with Real America's Voice we perfected the first time we really did the live audience participation. | ||
| We did it later with Charlie Kirk and the guys, but that's where we really started. | ||
| And people loved it so much, and even people that couldn't make it said, hey, just looking at it, I wish I had come. | ||
| That's what we're going to do at CPAC. We're going to have a whole full, do the show, audience participation. | ||
| Go to cpac.org slash worm right now. | ||
| You get $47 off. | ||
| And I guarantee you, you're going to have camaraderie and meet people and talk about issues, but you're going to leave there and not just be the most interesting person at the dinner parties you go to when you get back home. | ||
| You're going to be one of the leaders of this movement because this is all about the people. | ||
| And you just heard Ralph Norman and Russ Vogt on here say, hey, we're going to need the War Room Posse up on it. | ||
| Coming in the next couple of months. | ||
| And that's why CPAC is so important. | ||
| Carrie Lake is going to be there. | ||
| Is there any other Carrie? And that sets, I think, a tempo. | ||
| When you've got J.D. Vance, you've got Carrie Lake, you can see the direction of this thing. | ||
| Any other people that we should... | ||
| Russ and Ralph, too, are going to be there. | ||
| It's going to almost be like War Room is going to be going on in the hallway, and then War Room is going to be on the stage, Steve, because the people, Jack is going to be there. | ||
| You're having the conversations that are taking place in living rooms around this country. | ||
| These are the issues people care about, and some of them are somewhat controversial. | ||
| Within the conservative movement, the America First movement, the Republican Party, how far aggressive should the Congress be? | ||
| Should we be talking about things like gender confusion in our kids? | ||
| Is Marjorie Taylor Greene right to have a bill to prevent them from giving our kids these chemicals, sometimes without the parents? | ||
| Even knowledge. We're on that bill. | ||
| We think she's got it pitch perfect. | ||
| We're gonna hear from these people that are victims of this ideology. | ||
| The left tries to act like they care about people and they're tolerant. | ||
| As we all know, we've come to realize, some of us later than others, it's BS. It's not because they're more compassionate. | ||
| It's because they have a maniacal ideological view of America where they want to rip her down and build her up in this monstrous way and kids are being slaughtered through abortion and kids are being destroyed through our schools and CRT and this gender confusion. | ||
| If we can't make this fight, if we can't stand up for that unborn child, give them a chance to breathe and to live, and we can't protect our kids at their tender ages, then what are we here for? | ||
| You know, just you having the de-transition people up on main stage is gonna have the mainstream media completely melt down. | ||
| Trust me, that'll make, you know, and I didn't have time to play it, but you had this demonic thing at the Grammys the other night, brought to you by Pfizer, and then Jordan Reed, and we haven't had a chance to do it, we're gonna do it in the next couple days. | ||
| Because of pressing concerns of all this other stuff is that Joanne Rhee came on the next day and she spiked the football. | ||
| She said, hey, we're winning the culture wars. | ||
| You guys got nothing to say. And you guys have lost. | ||
| You got to understand your loss. That's why I think CPAC is so important, particularly on the whole thing of woke and weaponized. | ||
| You made a comment when you were on the other day, and I would be remiss if I didn't bring it up in the fact that the liberal media, progressive media, absolutely vapor locked. | ||
| I want to make sure the audience got the subtlety of it. | ||
| You said, hey, I'm going to go full Hungarian. | ||
| That meant Viktor Orban, and we love Viktor Orban. | ||
| In fact, had a chance to meet him again at CPAC Dallas. | ||
| The Warren Posse loved his speech. | ||
| I think in all the great speeches that were given in Dallas, his was the landmark. | ||
| What did you mean by you're going to be Viktor Orban for this CPAC? What does that mean? | ||
| I said we're going to go full Hungarian, which is we learned when we went to Hungary for CPAC, Steve, that you had all this European media that thought that it was weird that we would have flown over Rome and Paris and all these other great capitals to go to this little country, Hungary, with someone they consider a fascist leader. | ||
| Like, there must be something nefarious. | ||
| Why would anybody want to go to Hungary? | ||
| We went to Hungary and realized these people are wonderful people that have a great story to tell. | ||
| And the Hungarians who ran the conference said, look, if you're a fake journalist that just wants to lie about Viktor Orban and what we're trying to do from a policy standpoint, why don't you just not come in the doors? | ||
| And I was like, well, that's a terrible thing. | ||
| At CPAC in America, we let everyone in. | ||
| And I've even realized even recently, it's like there are some media outlets in this country, I don't know who funds them, by the way, I think that's the next step to start asking, that they are interested not in being any member of the media. | ||
| They're just in destroying as many Steve Bannons as Many people associated with CPAC is as many people like Donald Trump as they possibly can. | ||
| That's not being immediate. | ||
| That's being a political organization, and they need to be treated that way. | ||
| Why would we give the DNC media passes to come to CPAC? We wouldn't. | ||
| So these people are just basically arms of the DNC, maybe even arms of the regime in Beijing, maybe even arms of other enemies across the globe like George Soros and others. | ||
| The World Economic Forum. | ||
| And guess what? We're not going to treat them in the same way that we treated them in the past. | ||
| It's time for us to get smarter. | ||
| And if I'm slow to the game, I won't be anymore. | ||
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I'll tell you that much. Amen. | |
| One more time, Matt, where can people go? | ||
| You can go to CPAC.org slash war room to get your discount, but find out more even about CPAC. Where do people go? | ||
| Yeah, just go to our website, conservative.org, cpac.org, see all the speakers that are coming. | ||
| You really won't want to miss it, but let me just say this one final thing. | ||
| If we have a big crowd at CPAC, and if we send the message that we haven't given up on the nation's capital, even though it's got a perfectly terrible mayor and Pelosi and gang have been running things for too long, if we send that message, you give so much hope to so many people, and then you as an individual, you're feeling despondent, you wonder what can you do to save your country. | ||
| If you come to this event, I guarantee you. | ||
| You're going to leave so full of vim and vigor to go out there and make these fights for the country. | ||
| It could actually change things. | ||
| And that's why we do the conference. | ||
| It's not just about people talking. | ||
| It's about changing the course of history. | ||
| Yeah, no, it's the camaraderie, and it's the teamwork that comes out of there, and I think you saw that in Dallas. | ||
| I just think it's great that it's back in the nation's capital, because we need to be here. | ||
| As much as people don't like being around here, I can tell you. | ||
| But you've got to be here, because this is where the point is. | ||
| Got to be here. Matt, how did they get to you on social media? | ||
| At mschlapp on all the platforms, as I told you, I'm increasingly liking truth. | ||
| That's a good place to be. | ||
| I enjoyed following all the comments on that crazy speech last night. | ||
| I said it was like watching grumpier old men and fast forward. | ||
| It was like I couldn't understand what he was saying, but whatever he was saying, he was saying it real fast. | ||
| And not just that, every now and again, it was like he would blurt out, get off my lawn. | ||
| I mean, he would start shouting at the most bizarre times. | ||
| I think they jacked him up to get through it last night, but he was like, get off my lawn. | ||
| Okay, Match Lab, thanks. Look forward to seeing you. | ||
| March 1st through 4th in the nation's capital. | ||
| Okay, do I have the Ben Harnwell? | ||
| Let me bring in Ben Harnwell. | ||
| I got Pasoba coming up and Beattie coming up. | ||
| Breaking news out of Seymour Hersh, the investigative reporter and mudslinger, I guess you would call him. | ||
| Ben, Zelensky shows up in London today. | ||
| Make this make sense to me. | ||
| What's going on? He's clearly begging for materiel because he doesn't feel he's getting enough. | ||
| And he was telling about it two weeks ago they were going to pivot and go to liberate Crimea. | ||
| And now, and if you've seen the reporting over the last 24, 48 hours, the poor folks in Bakhmut are just taking it from the Russian. | ||
| I think Russia's hitting it. | ||
| The Russian army's hitting it from 12 different countries. | ||
| Attack points and just constant shelling nonstop. | ||
| Give us an update on why is he in London? | ||
| Why is he in the city? Why is he in Parliament? | ||
| Well, I suppose there's the official reason, Steve, and then there's the question mark reason. | ||
| The official reason is because popular support, not at the governmental level, at the level of the people, is starting to peter out We're almost coming up to the one year anniversary of this war. | ||
| And he therefore, as part of his visit to Europe, going to Brussels tomorrow, he needs to show up political support so that the cash and the armaments continue flowing. | ||
| That said, explicit to this request is what he mentioned when he addressed the joint houses of parliament, was that he wanted fighter planes Now, interestingly, the BBC, whose analysis is always 100 % junkable, | ||
| but whose knowledge of the facts is normally pretty hot, they had a journalist, I don't know if we're going to be able to play it whilst I'm here, but they had a journalist talking from outside Number 10 Downing Street on a split screen whilst Zelensky and his crew were on their RAF plane still at the airport at Stansted. | ||
| And she said, this journalist as she was talking, that Rishi Sunak has ruled out supplying fighter planes to Kyiv. | ||
| Now that was the big thing that Zelensky wants. | ||
| The US has already said no for now. | ||
| So it would appear that the UK is lining up behind the US position here. | ||
| But, you know, if Zelensky was sitting on his plane, he should have just been listening to the BBC, realised that the whole thing was pure theatre, got back on his plane and flown off. | ||
| Because you have the joint session. | ||
| I mean, it's a very prestigious thing. | ||
| I mean, it's like an uber... | ||
| A state visit thing. | ||
| State visits don't always get the joint sessions of parliament. | ||
| He's going to go and get his audience with King Charles III. So these are very prestigious parts of the visit. | ||
| But it's theater because what Ukraine really needs right now, if it is to have a hope of turning the war around, are heavy artillery and fighter planes. | ||
| And these are the things that seem to be drying up. | ||
| But they also need, it's betwixt and between. | ||
| They won't give them the armaments they feel that could change and reverse these battlefield losses, and that's still to be determined because Russia is supposed to be on the edge of defeat, and now they've got a 500,000 man, according to the defense minister, | ||
| who we don't know is in or out in any day because of the zero tolerance on corruption that They're now claiming he's one of the worst corrupt guys, and with all the logistics he paid for, they paid for it like five times X. I'll tell you what, short break, got Harnwell in Rome, Darren Beattie's on this, Jack Posobiec, big breaking news on exactly what this war is all about. | ||
| going to post on bd here uh... and we're going to continue discussion next in the world okay welcome back Um... | ||
| You just heard about CPAC. POSO is going to be there. | ||
| We're going to be there. Make sure you go to CPAC.org slash worm. | ||
| Get your discount, $47 discount. | ||
| Today, we're going to do the live show there. | ||
| We want everybody to participate, plus a lot of breakout sessions. | ||
| Get to know you. Camaraderie, joint sharing of knowledge, all of it, and teamwork. | ||
| And then fire off the football when it's over. | ||
| March 1st through 4th, President Trump's going to give the wrap-up speech on this Saturday afternoon. | ||
| You want to be there. | ||
| Jack Posobiec, Blockbuster News. | ||
| I got Harnwell and Darren to change their schedules and also join us. | ||
| Walk us through what was released today by Seymour Hirsch, who's kind of a muckraker, investigative reporter, but he's got no love lost for the right or for the MAGA movement, but he also has no love lost for the military-industrial complex. | ||
| Give us your assessment of what he released today, kind of a bombshell about the Ukraine war. | ||
| Well, Steve, it's interesting because You know, there's the story and then there's the story of the story. | ||
| So there's the story that Seymour Hersh has released, which essentially, in a nutshell, is this. | ||
| He is claiming, based on his sources and his reporting, that the United States bombed the Nord Stream pipelines and that this was done in a covert operation with Navy deep-sea divers, particularly divers that are out of Panama City. | ||
| From Diving and Salvage Center, not necessarily through SOCOM or JSOC or any of the various SEAL teams, that it was done through Navy divers. | ||
| And that it specifically references the old story of Operation Ivy Bells. | ||
| That if you understand anything about the Navy, if you want to go read... | ||
| I remember when I joined Navy Intelligence, they said something to me the very first week. | ||
| They said, we can't... | ||
| encourage you to read Blind Man's Bluff by Sherry Sontag. | ||
| They said, no matter what you do, do not read the book Blind Man's Bluff by Sherry Sontag. | ||
| Do not go to the store this afternoon and pick up a copy of Blind Man's Bluff because one of the main stories in it, not the only one, but the main operations that they detail in this book, which came out at the end of the 90s, which goes back to a Cold War operation called Ivy Bells, It was all about Navy deep sea divers and Navy submarines going all the way in. | ||
| By the way, that one wasn't even in international waters. | ||
| This was back in the 70s during the Cold War. | ||
| This was wiretapping the undersea communications, the upstream collection that the United States was conducting of the Soviet Union, of the Soviet military during the Cold War in Soviet waters, by the way, in Russian waters right off the Kamchatka Peninsula. | ||
| And so Seymour Hersh makes a reference to that that says, look, this is a very similar operation to something that was done back in the Cold War. | ||
| Any Navy intel officer worth their salt knows about Operation Ivy Bells. | ||
| And in that one, Steve, just as many other operations go, and anyone who's worked in that world understands, even the own crew of the ship, the crew of the submarine, was given a cover story as to why they were out there, as to what operations they were conducting, and you would compartmentalize all the way down to only specific divers knowing actually what the mission of the submarine was at the time. | ||
| Now, of course, Ivy Bells, this was a multi-mission sequence, and there's a huge accident scene where one of the subs is almost caught. | ||
| They have to race out of there. In this case, what Seymour Hersh is stating is that Ukraine, at the end of the day, that Ukraine, Russia, Germany, everything that we're seeing right now wasn't necessarily about freedom and democracy, that it was about the United States ensuring the petrodollar's dominance over Europe. | ||
| And that's what it's been from the start. | ||
| He references, of course, Victoria Nuland, who made the comment That if this kicks off, Nord Stream 2 will end one way or the other. | ||
| President Biden, of course, we have him saying that he would shut down Nord Stream 2 if Putin and Russia continue their invasion of Ukraine. | ||
| We have him, of course, at his word saying that. | ||
| And what Hirsch is saying here, and the comment I made earlier about the story behind the story is the timing on this is very interesting because I've heard people say that this is designed to hurt Biden, but I've also heard people say, well, you know, this could have actually been leaked by the administration themselves on the heels of the State of the Union to where they can say, | ||
| of course, officially they'll deny it, they'll deny that CIA Langley had any involvement in this whatsoever, but maybe they want it out there because they think it makes the president look strong in the face of him completely failing to stand up to the Chinese spy platform that flew across the continental United States. | ||
| I'm going to get Beattie and Hunterwell in here, because obviously Zelensky's in London today, talked to Parliament about the jets. | ||
| But this also ties together, a supporting thing of this is Bennett, the former Prime Minister of Israel, talking about talking to Putin. | ||
| And on the first days of the war, or before the war, they wanted to have a negotiated deal, and Zelensky was on board and Putin was on board, but the U.S. was not on board. | ||
| That would play into this thing about Nord Stream 2 and wanting to make sure that Germany and the rest of Europe didn't even double down or become more intertwined with the natural gas resources of Russia but really depended upon American LNG. That would fit into this narrative. | ||
| Would you agree, Jack? | ||
| Well, it would certainly fit into the timeframe because what we're told going through Seymour Hersh's article, and I strongly encourage everyone to read it. | ||
| You know, just like anything else, you have to ask questions about anything you read. | ||
| But as you go through it, when they're looking at the exercise that was given as cover, it was called Baltops 22. | ||
| So that takes place in June. | ||
| The explosion, the Nordstrom explosion, doesn't take place until later in September. | ||
| Now, if you combine that with what Naftali Bennett is saying, and by the way, the Germans, the Norwegians, the Swedes, everyone's come out and said they can't find evidence that Russia was behind this thing. | ||
| Which, if you remember, that's what Darren and I were saying from the very start, because this was, as President Trump told us, Russia's leverage over Europe. | ||
| This was also an economic deal between the EU and particularly Germany and Russia, which was mutually beneficial for them at the detriment of the United States. | ||
| So with the explosion of Nord Stream 2, you have to ask, of course, Qui Bono Qui Malo, who benefits And who suffers? | ||
| So who benefits? Obviously, it's the Americans who suffers. | ||
| It's the Germans. It's everyone that is now at the economic detriment of losing out on that gas. | ||
| And for the people saying that somehow Russia benefits from blowing up their own pipeline, it just never really made any sense. | ||
| It never quite passed the smell test of why they would want to lose a project that they had invested billions and billions of dollars of political and economic capital. | ||
| Jack, for one second, I've got to get back to the balloon in the non-briefing of the Gang of Eight, which right now looks stunning. | ||
| Darren, let me bring you in and then Ben. | ||
| Darren, your assessment, and by the way, everything in this, this is why Homage to Catalonia is such an important book to read, Orwell's book, because the whole war is misinformation on both sides, right? | ||
| You can't trust anything the Russians put out. | ||
| You can't less trust anything the Ukrainians or NATO puts out. | ||
| But given that, Darren Beattie, you've been all over this topic. | ||
| Give us your assessment, first assessment of the Seymour Hersh of what it means. | ||
| Well, I loved everything that Jack said. | ||
| That was an excellent, excellent report and analysis of the intricacies of it. | ||
| And of course, I remember not too long ago, Jack and I were on here with some kind of stooge representative of the national security state who didn't do a very good job. | ||
| At least you would think these representatives of the intelligence community, their job is to be good liars. | ||
| We didn't even have that. | ||
| So it was very clear what the situation was from the beginning. | ||
| The argument never really made sense that it was the Russians who blew up their own pipeline. | ||
| But I think what remains interesting about this is that Yes, it was bad for Russians, but it was really bad for Germany as well. | ||
| And if you read certain parts of her story, it says, okay, the Germans had this new prime minister, and he originally paid lip service to this notion that Macron was promoting this strategic autonomy, that Europe was going to gain more independence from U.S. control. | ||
| And that whole conception was entirely I think it re-invites us to look at this sort of Russia-Ukraine conflict from the lens of really the United States reasserting complete and total dominance over the affairs of Europe, | ||
| and in particular of Germany, because this was a very vital thing for the German economy, particularly Nord Stream 2, and we just blow it up, and it's an open secret within Europe that's Their way of telegraphing that it's the United States for these European countries to say, well, there's no evidence it was Russia. | ||
| That's their way of saying it's the United States. | ||
| But at the same time, they're not going to do anything about it. | ||
| And that tells you everything you need to know. | ||
| And so in a geopolitical sense, this really kind of reinforces the dominance and hegemony of the United States. | ||
| And in a twisted way, even though it was highly And for a number of reasons, it shows us that there are still bastions of competence, some pockets of competence within the United States. | ||
| I'm somewhat impressed that they were able to pull this off, even though they leaked it to some aging reporters. | ||
| Still, it's a rare example of competence. | ||
| So the United States, again, in keeping with Earlier discussion of the indefinite power of the US dollar, despite how clownish and ridiculous and in many cases evil our regime is, it has a counterintuitive robustness that asserts itself. | ||
| By the way, Jack and I can vouch for the competence of Navy divers, right? | ||
| And I'm very much for the dollar being the prime reserve currency, at least for the foreseeable future, would be chaos in this country. | ||
| But I would like to do it by cutting our budget and shutting down the Federal Reserve and getting our control over this debt instead of blowing up a natural gas pipeline. | ||
| Coming into Germany so we can sell natural gas at LNG and drive prices up here for folks in the United States. | ||
| Steve, remember what I said? | ||
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| Ben Harnwell, Zelensky's in London today with the Tin Cup looking for fighter jets. | ||
| Give me your assessment. | ||
| Is this story more important than Zelensky being in London, sir? | ||
| Yeah, it's a lot more important. | ||
| And looking at the timing from this article, Jake Sullivan is there months before the Russians invaded Ukraine, heading strategy meetings on how they're going to take out these pipelines. | ||
| Looking back, with the benefit of hindsight, you can now start thinking. | ||
| Remember that John Miesheimer thesis that he was pushing back in 2014, and you were talking about this right in the early days of the war, where Miesheimer said, you know, What the US is doing here, what NATO is doing here, pushing its boundaries up to Ukraine, is walking Ukraine down the primrose path to being invaded by Russia. | ||
| And I was sort of saying to myself, okay, I get that, I get that, but why would NATO do this? | ||
| And I sort of landed on the conclusion. | ||
| Okay, this is NATO seeking a post-war, a post-Cold War role. | ||
| It needs a war. It needs Russia to do something to continue to justify its existence. | ||
| And that's certainly been a consequence of the Russian invasion. | ||
| But looking at the dates here, looking at the Mearsheimer thesis, I'm starting to ask myself whether the whole Ukraine war, encouraged along by NATO, was simply a pretext For the U.S. military industrial context to go in and take out these pipelines. | ||
| Jack, by the way, hang on. | ||
| We're going to take a short break. To that point, the New York Times have got this incredibly brutal reporting from Bakhmut. | ||
| They're telling the Russian army, the rejuvenated Russian army, is hitting on 12 different attack points. | ||
| And they have a little girl there that's like seven years old, one of the last families there. | ||
| As Beattie calls it, the American imperial elite, are they cold-hearted enough to have started a war that this little girl is going to get shelled like the rest of her city just so they can control gas assets going into Europe and therefore prop up the petrodollar in the foreseeable future, sir? Steve, I'll just say it's amazing the trouble that the regime can cause when the petrodollar is on the line. | ||
| And we've seen it before. | ||
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| Darren Beattie, the founder of Revolver, Jack Posobiec from Human Events Daily, and our international editor and head of the Rome Bureau with War Room Rome, Ben Harnwell, all next in the War Room. | ||
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| Jack Posobiec, how did they get around a presidential finding on the blowing up, or at least he alleges the blowing up by Navy divers? | ||
| Don't you find it odd as an intelligence officer? | ||
| As far as we can tell, they have not briefed the Gang of Eight on the CCP spy airship, sir? | ||
| Well, Steve, once again, what they're doing is instead of making smart geopolitical decisions for the direction of our country and trying to work with partners, instead they're watching episodes of the West Wing and trying to LARP their way through the presidency. | ||
| And so you saw this ridiculous speech last night, which was basically just ripped off of everything that Donald Trump said in 2016 on the campaign trail. | ||
| And they called him a racist and a misogynist and a Nazi and a xenophobe for. | ||
| And here comes Biden repeating the exact same phrases without, of course, the rhetorical flourishes of the forgotten man and America first. | ||
| But I almost thought he was going to end by saying make America great again. | ||
| The reason that they didn't have to brief the Gang of Eight on this is because they kept it outside of the channels that they would have needed to. | ||
| So had this gone through SOCOM, had this gone through JSOC, Then they would have had to brief the Gang of Eight, but because they kept it Navy only, this is exactly what you would see on Season 5 or Season 6 of The West Wing, which I never watched before, but if you want to understand the Biden administration's playbook, just go watch that show. | ||
| You can watch it on 1.5X like I do, and you will absolutely be able to predict everything they do because they're ripping it from bad Aaron Sorkin TV scripts. | ||
| Where they're going in and saying, ah, we found a special loophole so we won't have to brief Congress, and then we'll leak it to see more Hirsch, and that's going to make us look good and make us look strong in the face of the Russians, in the face of the Chinese balloon. | ||
| And so what they're doing, Steve, is they've been completely divorced from the reality of the American people, which is why, by the way, Republicans won the House and why the Gang of Eight is constituted the way that it is, and I hope for certain That Speaker of House Kevin McCarthy, as well as this new appointment of Matt Gaetz to the weaponization of the federal government committee, will actually be able to bring them to some sort of accountability to find out what are they actually doing. | ||
| Because these decisions, Steve, they don't just affect the country. | ||
| They don't just affect the people of Ukraine. | ||
| They don't just affect the people of Germany. | ||
| They affect every single one of us in our families as well. | ||
| Jack, how do people get to you, all of your content, and particularly Human Events Daily? | ||
| Yeah, Human Events Daily, of course, it's up. | ||
| We've got the Sunday show. Today's entire show is going to be at Nord Stream, no question. | ||
| Okay, brother. That's 10 o'clock when people can get it here in Real America's Voice. | ||
| That's right, 10 p.m. on Real America's Voice. | ||
| Okay, thank you, brother. And you can get him up on Tilda. | ||
| He's nonstop. Darren, we're going to get you back. | ||
| You got two blockbuster stories on Revolver. | ||
| One about these Christian commercials and Hobby Lobby, it looks like it's in the back of them, and the meaning and purpose of them, because it's big money, and they're very dramatic spots, and they're on National Football League games, so somebody's putting up big dollars. | ||
| You've also got this thing about Hillary Clinton's 10-year jail sentence, but I want to spend time and do that later. | ||
| You're closing thoughts on the Seymour Hersh and the whole Ukraine situation in Zelensky in London, sir. | ||
| Yeah, well, first, just to add to the technicalities of it, there's a part of the Hersh's commentary in which he suggests that the public allusions to the possibility of taking down Nord Stream by both Biden and Victoria Nuland, | ||
| who's been a favorite of ours in our discussions, actually crossed a threshold which also allowed them to conduct the operation without the usual sort of oversight. | ||
| So it's interesting how it all fell into place. | ||
| And one other thing is, Even though this was planned before the invasion, I think it's fair to say that the invasion itself created a larger sort of political media environment in which the US was able to get away with it much more easily. | ||
| And so that kind of forces us to say, well, in Putin's strategic calculus, was whatever he gained from this invasion of Ukraine worth losing the Nord Stream pipelines? | ||
| It's hard to Say that the answer is yes at the moment. | ||
| So I think it also kind of reinforces the degree to which Putin's decision was a profound strategic miscalculation from the point of view of Russia's interests as well. | ||
| Perfect. How do people get to you in a revolver? | ||
| How do you back on about these other big stories? | ||
| How do they get to you? At Darren J. Beattie on Twitter, Revolver.News. | ||
| We have two in particular really important white-hot pieces that I'll come undiscuss very soon. | ||
| One is the most important First Amendment case you've never heard of. | ||
| Biden's trying to throw a guy in jail for 10 years for mocking Hillary on Twitter. | ||
| And the second is the DeSantis takeover in Florida education system, how that's a blueprint for Republican governors everywhere. | ||
| So I very much look forward to discussing those in detail. | ||
| Perfect. Thank you, sir. | ||
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| Ben Harnwell, you're head of... | ||
| By the way, just in closing, we're going to get you back on to more about London. | ||
| But why is Alinsky not going to Rome? | ||
| Give me 30 seconds of that. Why is he not stopping by to see Georgia Maloney? | ||
| I don't know. It's an interesting question, Steve. | ||
| We discussed it before coming on air. | ||
| It's a bit of a slap in the face, I think, given her loyal support against the wishes of the majority of her own membership and her party in supporting Ukraine. | ||
| Can I just finish, however, on the Nord Stream pipeline? | ||
| We got 30 seconds. | ||
| We'll have you back on. | ||
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