Feb. 3, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big line? | ||
| MAGA media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Babb. | |
| At this point, the balloon doesn't pose to have any, to pose any risks to citizens. | ||
| How is it that the US can assess that, given that the balloon is at such an altitude without actually getting eyes on it up close and assessing the equipment that's on board? | ||
| And secondly, are there any alternatives being considered to shooting it down? | ||
| Is there any option to take this balloon out of the sky intact to maybe get a better look at that equipment? | ||
| Yeah, so again, this is a surveillance balloon operating at about 60,000 feet. | ||
| Clearly, you know, we did a very close assessment in terms of what it's doing. | ||
| And as I mentioned, military commanders have assessed that there is no physical or military threat to people on the ground. | ||
| And so in that regard, we'll continue to monitor. | ||
| In terms of way ahead, we will continue to review options, but I'm not going to have anything further to provide on that. | ||
| So thank you. Is the option of shooting down the balloon, particularly as it's going over more populated areas, off the table? | ||
| Is that still amongst the options that the U.S. military is considering? | ||
| And if so, under what conditions would it do so? | ||
| Yeah. Thanks, Nancy. So at this stage, what I can tell you is, again, we're reviewing options. | ||
| I'm not going to go into more specifics than that. | ||
| And when and if there's any updates to provide, we'll let you know. | ||
| It's been ruled out. Again, we're monitoring it and we're reviewing options. | ||
| Just leave it there. And then a senior defense official yesterday said that similar incidents had happened under the previous administration, and yet some of those administration officials have come forward and said they're not familiar with it. | ||
| Is there any way you could give us more details on when it's happened, whether it was over the continental U.S. or over U.S. territories? | ||
| Is that something you could potentially take to provide the public more details about the extent that these things happen? | ||
| So what I would tell you right now is that information is classified. | ||
| I'm not able to provide it other than I can confirm that there have been other incidents where balloons did come close to or cross over U.S. territory. | ||
| This trip was coming at a time when they were trying to tone down the temperature in the relationship, and then the Chinese end up doing something like this. | ||
| It's entirely appropriate for Blinken to postpone the trip. | ||
| He can demarse him on this next week or next month. | ||
| It doesn't matter. But this is, again, a sign of how the relationship, this is coming in the aftermath of Austin's visit to the region and announcement of new base arrangements with the Philippines, increased U.S.-Japan If you were still with the NSC, how would you advise the Biden administration moving forward, Victor? | ||
| Well, I mean, I still think they have to keep their eye on the ball, right? | ||
| China is the pacing threat. | ||
| Continue to deal with this question of how the Ukraine war is affecting China's designs on Taiwan. | ||
| Continue to build up defense capabilities in Taiwan. | ||
| Improve capabilities of all the allies in the region. | ||
| China's the pacing threat, so that's what we have to focus on. | ||
| This particular balloon is certainly a problem, and again, it speaks to their broader intelligence Gathering campaign against the United States, but we have to keep our eye on the ball with regard to that, and then also find guardrails in the relationship, which is what Blinken's trip was about. | ||
| But we can't do that if the Chinese are doing things like this that embarrass the administration. | ||
| Carrie, your latest article for Foreign Affairs is entitled, Don't Fear Putin's Demise. | ||
| You write in part, quote, Putin's effort to restore Russia's lost empire is destined to fail. | ||
| The moment is therefore ripe for a transition to democracy and a devolution of power to the regional levels. | ||
| But for such a political transformation to take place, Putin must be defeated militarily in Ukraine. | ||
| A decisive loss on the battlefield would pierce Putin's aura of invincibility and expose him as the architect of a failing state, making his regime vulnerable to challenge from within. | ||
| You heard the report, Putin's threats of nuclear weapons. | ||
| Do you not fear that? | ||
| Do you not fear that if Putin is pushed to the wall, and if he feels that there's an existential threat not only to his regime, but to his life, that he would use nuclear weapons? | ||
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By the way, he hasn't said nuclear. | |
| It's a fantasy of those who are trying to pretend that, you know, the hypothetical threat of nuclear attack could make us slow down supply of weapons to Ukraine. | ||
| Putin talked about different kind of wars, but he never, never mentioned nuclear. | ||
| I listen in Russian original. | ||
| So that's why, again, be sure that, you know, Putin keeps playing the same card. | ||
| He's bluffing. It always worked. | ||
| And now he could sense that there is still a weakness on the side of his counterpart. | ||
| I'm not talking about Ukrainians who are resilient, who are fighting heroically. | ||
| But look at America and Europe. | ||
| There's still disagreement about the strategic goal of this war. | ||
| We still have senior members of this administration talking about They're trying to push this false narrative that every war ends up at the negotiating table. | ||
| Nothing could be further from the truce. | ||
| World War II, the war on the values, has not ended on the negotiating table. | ||
| American Civil War has not ended on the negotiating table, because when you fight for principles, there's nothing to negotiate. | ||
| So, let me repeat the question though, Gary, and we agree on much, and we have agreed on much for a very long time, but I think you actually do have to worry about a madman who is sitting on more nuclear weapons than any other country on the planet. | ||
| Do you not fear the possibility that Vladimir Putin could resort to using nuclear weapons? | ||
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No, anything can happen. | |
| You know, you could have a big asteroid hitting Earth. | ||
| Yes, definitely we should take into account- Well, I mean, this is a little different than a big asteroid hitting Earth. | ||
| If we had more time, you know, I could tell you that the chances are very, very small. | ||
| That's morning, Joe. | ||
| That's what the elites in this city watch every morning, that kind of loose, dangerous talk, when they're talking about a border dispute on the eastern, Russian-speaking eastern border of Ukraine. | ||
| According to World War II and the American Civil War, we need a total complete victory over the Russian army for unconditional surrender. | ||
| On the 80th anniversary or close to the 80th anniversary a couple of days ago of the surrender of the German Sixth Army, it's Stalingrad and Putin has brought up Stalingrad for the people to hold. | ||
| I want to bring in Dr. | ||
| Kevin Roberts, president over at Heritage, a lot of things about debt, about money. | ||
| He's written an incredible piece over the American conservative on the defense budget. | ||
| But I just want to, before we get into the details, I just want your overview given You understand history as well as anybody. | ||
| Where are we right now on this? | ||
| We've got...and it's not a balloon, right? | ||
| It's a surveillance. | ||
| Of course, they say it's a weather surveillance. | ||
| It's a spy. You know, it's a supply device, a spy device right now over the United States floating around, the arrogance of that. | ||
| And this headline, we said this morning, we started the show saying... | ||
| In the Financial Times, Blinken to meet Xi during landmark China visit in sign of thawing relations. | ||
| And this was the cheerleading, the Uniparty, the Party of Davos, the City of London, Wall Street. | ||
| Yes, things are thawing. | ||
| When they're at war with us, economic war, political war, information war, and before the show was over, Blinking it postponed. | ||
| So, Dr. Roberts, put it in perspective, particularly this increasingly war toxins sounded, and now you got MSNBC with Kasparov on there talking about a crushing defeat of the Russian army in Ukraine, right? And we don't have to worry about nuclear weapons because the probability is, you know, an asteroid could hit the earth. | ||
| This kind of loose, dangerous talk, Dr. | ||
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Kevin Roberts. Steve, thanks for having me in spite of the fact that you subjected me to more Morning Joe than I've listened to probably in my life. | |
| But that aside, my friend, let me say that that exchange on Morning Joe between the anchor and Mr. | ||
| Kasparov reveals a concern that I have and that tens of millions of Americans have had since the beginning of the Ukrainian conflict, and it's this. | ||
| With each tranche of US military aid to Ukraine, and I think it's helpful to defend people or help to defend people fighting for their sovereignty, the rhetoric has changed from the United States is never going to have our own troops on the ground to just in the last week, in addition to what we just heard, members of Congress saying, well, we need to open the door to American contractors being there to show the Ukrainians how to use the tanks that we're sending. | ||
| You and I both have been around long enough to know that you give the imperial city of D.C. a couple of weeks to change that rhetoric to the next step, which is, well, we need a small contingent of American military there. | ||
| All of that to say this, the Russian army is not going to be defeated by Ukraine. | ||
| This war is at best at a stalemate. | ||
| And what worries me for our kids, For people's grandchildren in the United States, is that the only way Russia would ever be defeated decisively is if there are American troops on the ground. | ||
| And that's not where we need to be focused. | ||
| Clearly, the balloon continuing to fly over the continental United States needs to be our focus. | ||
| And not only is it a travesty, not only is it evil, it begs a lot of questions about how financially conflicted the President of the United States is with the CCP. Heritage is known, I think, best as when Ronald Reagan, you know, being the intellectual foundation for the Reagan Revolution and particularly for the evil empire and confronting the Soviet Union at the time. | ||
| So I think when people naturally think of heritage, they think of hawks, you know, and I consider myself a hawk. | ||
| But I'm also quite concerned about the national security implications of our spending and our debt, and the defense budget has got to be brought up there. | ||
| What is the mindset of Heritage still as our most important think tank of Heritage, particularly in national security and national defense, when you look at and you weigh and measure Ukraine on one hand and the defense of Taiwan on the other, sir? | ||
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Well, I can tell you to your general question about our posture. | |
| We believe in Reagan's principle of peace through strength. | ||
| You know, I'm a son of the Cold War. | ||
| You yourself served the country in that, Steve, as so many of your audience did. | ||
| That hasn't changed. | ||
| What's changed, and this is something that I touched on in an American conservative piece, is that in 2023, our fiscal situation is much weaker than it was in 1983. | ||
| And I would like to think that if President Reagan were part of this conversation you and I are having right now, he would say, you guys need to understand, you probably can't fight a one-front war, let alone what the Pentagon tells us they can do, that you can fight a two-front war. | ||
| So our defense scholars at Heritage, for the first time in the history of our index of military strength, Steve, rated the United States military as weak. | ||
| That concerns me because I want to be sure that America has a strong presence around the world, a very responsible one. | ||
| But this is the problem. Just as we discovered in the 1970s and 1980s that led to this Goldwater-Nichols Act of 1986 that totally redesigned the Department of Defense, there were people then who said, we can't do that because the status quo is good. | ||
| This is the point. | ||
| For those of us who believe in peace through strength, For those of us who believe that the right focus is on the Chinese Communist Party and not spending over $100 billion of our precious resources on Ukraine, we have to confront that the Pentagon is irresponsible in its spending. | ||
| To be sure, non-defense spending is irresponsible too, and we need to cut that as well. | ||
| But what we're trying to push at Heritage is an honest conversation across the political spectrum, starting on the political right, That we ought to be able to be building missile programs and munitions programs for the next war. | ||
| But of course, to sum up here, Steve, as you know well in Washington, D.C., just asking those questions means that you're an enemy of the status quo. | ||
| The key thing to understand is that if someone is opposed to the reform of defense spending, they are opposed to America winning the next war. | ||
| To be pro-defense spending reform is to be pro-America winning the next conflict. | ||
| That's the conversation, just as we did in the 1980s, that we're trying to lead. | ||
| Given the respect, by the way, we'll take a short commercial break. | ||
| Dr. Robert is going to join us on the other side. | ||
| The question I have that we would like answered coming back is that given the respect people put in the Heritage Index, how do you spend $800 We'll be back in a moment with Dr. | ||
| Roberts about how we're going to get our hands around this national security issue, the debt, spending, and the defense budget. | ||
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Next in the Word. Let's take down the CCP!...address the presence of the Chinese surveillance balloon in US airspace. | |
| I spoke this morning with director of the CCP Central Foreign Affairs Office, Wang Yi, to convey that in light of China's unacceptable action, I am postponing my planned travel this weekend to China. | ||
| As you know, President Biden and President Xi agreed during their meetings in Bali in November that I would travel to Beijing to follow up on their discussions. | ||
| We've been working across the U.S. government to prepare for a substantive set of discussions on issues that matter to the American people and to people around the world. | ||
| And we've been engaging for some time with our counterparts in Beijing to prepare for these meetings. | ||
| Yesterday, the Department of Defense announced that we had detected and were tracking a high-altitude surveillance balloon that remains over the continental United States. | ||
| We continue to track and monitor the balloon closely. | ||
| We're confident this is a Chinese surveillance balloon. | ||
| Once we detected the balloon, the U.S. government acted immediately to protect against the collection of sensitive information. | ||
| We communicated with the PRC government directly through multiple channels about this issue. | ||
| Members of my team consulted with our partners in other agencies and in Congress. | ||
| We also engaged our close allies and partners to inform them of the presence of the surveillance balloon in Art Aerospace. | ||
| We concluded that conditions were not conducive for a constructive visit at this time. | ||
| In my call today with Director Wang Yi, I made clear that the presence of this surveillance balloon in U.S. airspace is a clear violation of U.S. sovereignty and international law, that it's an irresponsible act, and that the PRC's decision to take this action on the eve of my planned visit is detrimental to the substantive discussions that we were prepared to have. | ||
| I told Director Wong that the United States remains committed to diplomatic engagement with China and that I plan to visit Beijing when conditions allow. | ||
| Republican Congressman James Comer of Kentucky, chairman of the House Oversight Committee, is in focus now. | ||
| What is your greatest concern as we track something that is the size of three buses now that China says was taken by wind, wind that we can't substantiate? | ||
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Well, I have concern this is going to be another example of the Biden administration's weakness on the national scale. | |
| I mean, you look at what happened in Afghanistan. | ||
| That hurt the reputation of America's military strength. | ||
| That hurt the reputation of our commander-in-chief. | ||
| And now we have China clearly playing games with the United States. | ||
| This balloon never should have been allowed to cross over past the Pacific coast under the continental United States. | ||
| Never should have happened. My concern is that the federal government obviously doesn't know what's in that balloon. | ||
| Is that bioweapons in that balloon? | ||
| Did that balloon take off from Wuhan? | ||
| We don't know anything about that balloon. | ||
| But the fact that this balloon was slowly making its way to the United States For several days, and this administration never alerted anyone about the possibility of this balloon coming over the United States. | ||
| It's very concerning. It's very concerning they didn't shoot it out of the air before it even reached the continental United States. | ||
| Oh, Chairman, let me stop you there. | ||
| What do you mean never alerted anyone? | ||
| Our guest is, you know, Comer is not an individual. | ||
| He's a lawyer. Kind of like Columbo, because he's running these investigations and oversight. | ||
| Somebody comes in with a sarin fire. | ||
| So, Dr. Roberts, I'd like to... | ||
| Once again, ask you about this current situation, but I also want people to understand. | ||
| Your heritage assessment of the United States military is weak. | ||
| It's not just the weakness of the Biden administration. | ||
| It's also force structure. | ||
| It's kind of the systemic issues dealing with the United States military, the Pentagon, all of it. | ||
| It's not just that we have. | ||
| It's over and above or deeper than just the hapless political leadership in this country. | ||
| Am I correct on that? You're 100 % correct. | ||
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In fact, Steve, the Biden regime is just the exclamation point on what has been a very long-running trend, really accelerated during the Obama years explicitly by President Obama to make sure that our military was weaker, smaller, quote-unquote less expensive, and only because of some courage on the policy point by President Trump. | |
| Are we not in an even greater unmitigated disaster now? | ||
| I really want to underscore the point about the significance of the Heritage Foundation saying that our military is weak. | ||
| When our scholars, including a three-star general who heads up this work and people who have served this country admirably, realized that objectively for the first time in that index was what the score was going to be, they rushed to my office and they said, Kevin, we can't believe it's this bad. | ||
| We know in our heart of hearts that things are terrible, but the numbers are terrible. | ||
| Any person listening to this needs to know, you have to start fixing this now. | ||
| And this is a Department of Defense that rather than focusing on developing new programs, new planes, new tanks, new war material for an increasingly likely conflict with the CCP, is instead spending billions of dollars on sensitivity training and pronouns and diversity, equity, inclusion. This has to stop. | ||
| And I'm so grateful that even though the Republicans have just a slim majority in the House, they at least have the gavels of all of the committees, and they're doing an excellent job, in my opinion thus far, in showing what we must do in order to regain our strength. | ||
| So this article in American Conservative, you talk about Moneyball, and I think the question our audience has is, hey, Dr. | ||
| Roberts, how did the guys at Heritage say it's weak and we're spending $800 billion a year, really a trillion dollars a year in defense? | ||
| How can we spend this much money and now we're on the Heritage scale, we're actually weak? | ||
| And your solution is what, sir? | ||
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There are three big factors that contribute to that unfortunate reality of spending basically a trillion dollars and the military still being weak. | |
| The first is that there's groupthink inside the Pentagon. | ||
| No disrespect to our men and women in uniform, even those who are left of center in key positions, we're grateful for their service, but the problem is Twice in the history of the Department of Defense, at least, that agency, which is what it is, has become susceptible to groupthink, which blocks off innovation. | ||
| And we know, as I mentioned, the Goldwater-Nichols Act of 1986, a long forgotten but very important restructuring of the Pentagon forced the Department of Defense to be prepared for the next war. | ||
| So the first factor is the Pentagon itself. | ||
| The second is the political reality, Steve. | ||
| I've visited with several dozen members of the House in the last couple of weeks on this issue, and not a single one of them, even those who are right-minded about reforming the Department of Defense, looks forward to those votes where they're going to be ending some military programs. | ||
| In their district, and potentially starting some new military programs in someone else's. | ||
| But once in a while, we have to have political courage to do the right thing. | ||
| And the third thing, as I'm sure your audience intuits, the amount of money in Washington, D.C. spent by K Street lobbyists to perpetuate programs like the CH-47 That the army has been asking for three years to end means that there are all kinds of forces arrayed against innovation. | ||
| And so the solution is for Congress this term to demand that there be two or three substantive cuts of missile munitions programs that don't work. | ||
| I urge, require the Department of Defense to begin building those programs that in fact prepare us well for war in China. | ||
| Heritage has a slew of recommendations in what I would call the social sphere of the Pentagon, where unfortunately under Biden we've been spending way too much money. | ||
| You've got Rick Stern over there. | ||
| You have a balanced budget program called the Heritage Budget Blueprint. | ||
| We're going to make sure everybody in the audience gets access to that. | ||
| But this defense spending is in the larger context of the debt ceiling in the negotiation. | ||
| What is Heritage's position in this, sir? | ||
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Our position is actually, believe it or not, very similar to Speaker McCarthy's. | |
| I think he's done a good job on this thus far, and it is this. | ||
| Rather than being focused on the dollar amount, we need to be focused on extending the debt ceiling for two years. | ||
| Keep in mind, I'm a fiscal hawk and I'm saying that. | ||
| I wish the debt ceiling were a lot lower. | ||
| I'm nodding to the political realities. | ||
| You've got to read between the lines and realize that what the Democrats are trying to set up, is that the Republican nominee, whoever he or she will be in 2024, will be fraught with that decision. | ||
| McCarthy's playing a very important play here by wanting to extend the debt ceiling two years. | ||
| Second point, really important, there has to be spending caps. | ||
| For every dollar that the debt ceiling is increased, there needs to be a corresponding dollar of cuts in discretionary spending. | ||
| It's crucial that we do that in order to set up And this is where I'm coming from with that article on defense spending, Steve. | ||
| The next big budget fight on defense spending, on non-defense spending, that's when the Republicans, that's when the conservative movement will be able to get our hands around it. | ||
| My colleague Richard Stern guides this work for Heritage and is excellent. | ||
| Yeah. We'll have Richard on. | ||
| Let me ask you what in the time we've got remaining. | ||
| Are you going to do the spending cuts? | ||
| We've got an appropriations process that's hurtling towards regular order and not an omnibus bill, but we've committed to actually have an appropriations plan that lays it out this spring, this summer, so it's approved before September. | ||
| You've got the debt ceiling fight now. | ||
| Are the big cuts that you're talking about going to come in that appropriations process that will be outside the debt ceiling negotiations? | ||
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Some of them will, just because of the math problem that it is. | |
| And those that will, to be somewhat specific, Steve, will be especially in the social area of the Pentagon. | ||
| We know at Heritage it's going to take a long time to get the Department of Defense to make a pivot on some of these munitions programs. | ||
| That's why we're raising the flag now that we have to start the conversation. | ||
| And I'm grateful to so many members of the House and Senate on our side who recognize, because they are, like you and me, defense hawks, We have to change what we're doing because if we're against these reforms in the Department of Defense, America will only be weaker. | ||
| Dr. Roberts, how do people get access? | ||
| We've had some of the great folks from, we had EJ on yesterday, we had some of the great folks, Mike Howell, etc. | ||
| How do people get more access to Heritage and your social media? | ||
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Heritage.org is the website. | |
| You can follow us also on Twitter, Instagram, all the social channels. | ||
| You can follow me at KevinRobertsTX, Kevin Roberts, Texas. | ||
| Fantastic. And we're going to push out your blueprint on the defense side to get to focus on Moneyball. | ||
| Dr. Roberts, thank you very much and great job over Heritage. | ||
| Fantastic. Thanks, Steve. | ||
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Take care. Okay, short commercial break. | |
| We're going to get Boris, and we're going to talk about Ukraine. | ||
| Now they want an unconditional surrender. | ||
| That's the new thing. It's not liberate Crimea. | ||
| Now it's unconditional surrender of the Russian army. | ||
| If you don't think your sons and daughters, that they want your sons and daughters in the charnel house of eastern Ukraine, you would be incorrect. | ||
| That's exactly where they want. | ||
| Not just your money. They want your kids. | ||
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All next in The War Room. | |
| The moment is therefore ripe for a transition to democracy and a devolution of power to the regional levels. | ||
| But for such a political transformation to take place, Putin must be defeated militarily in Ukraine. | ||
| A decisive loss on the battlefield would pierce Putin's aura of invincibility and expose him as the architect of a failing state, making his regime vulnerable to challenge from within. | ||
| You heard the report, Putin's threats of nuclear weapons. | ||
| Do you not fear that? | ||
| Do you not fear that if Putin is pushed to the wall, And if he feels that there's an existential threat, not only to his regime, but to his life, that he would use nuclear weapons? | ||
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By the way, he hasn't said nuclear. | |
| It's a fantasy of those who are trying to pretend that, you know, the hypothetical threat of nuclear attack could make us slow down supply of weapons to Ukraine. | ||
| Putin talked about different kind of wars, but he never, never mentioned nuclear. | ||
| I listen in Russian original. | ||
| So that's why, again, be sure that Putin keeps playing the same card. | ||
| He's bluffing. It always worked. | ||
| And now he could sense that there is still a weakness on the side of his counterpart. | ||
| I'm not talking about Ukrainians. | ||
| Who are resilient, who are fighting heroically. | ||
| But look at America and Europe. | ||
| There's still disagreement about the strategic goal of this war. | ||
| We still have senior members of this administration talking about negotiated outcome. | ||
| They're trying to push this false narrative that every war ends up at the negotiating table. | ||
| Nothing could be further from the truce. | ||
| World War II, the war on the values, has not ended on the negotiating table. | ||
| American civil war. | ||
| It has not ended on negotiating table, because when you fight for principles, there's nothing to negotiate. | ||
| So, let me repeat the question though, Gary, and we agree on much, and we have agreed on much for a very long time, but I think you actually do have to worry about a madman who is sitting on more nuclear weapons than any other country on the planet. | ||
| Do you not fear the possibility that Vladimir Putin could resort to using nuclear weapons? | ||
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No, anything can happen. | |
| You know, you could have a big asteroid hitting Earth. | ||
| Yes, definitely we should take into account... | ||
| Well, I mean, there's a little difference than a big asteroid hitting Earth. | ||
| If we had more time, you know, I could tell you that the chances are very, very small. | ||
| But the problem is, you know, if we let this blackmail work, then, you know, we have to probably close NATO. Because then the same threat will be used to conquer Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, any other country. | ||
| This is a unique moment where we can actually end this story of Russian empire and offering all Russians and countries surrounding Russia a chance to live in peace. | ||
| Simple thing. If Putin stays in power, the war will never end. | ||
| Because every empire survives only by expanding. | ||
| Economically, Russia is in terrible shape. | ||
| There's no hope of economic expansion, which means war. | ||
| So beating Putin on the battlefield and creating conditions for his removal in Russia, because many Russians, you know, as has happened before in our history, will never forget the military defeat, the geopolitical catastrophe. | ||
| That creates right conditions for regime change inside our country. | ||
| So that's the best hope for everybody, not only Ukrainians. | ||
| Boris Epstein, he's arguing right there, and they're nodding their heads, for an unconditional battlefield defeat of the Russian army in Ukraine. | ||
| Sir, is that madness or not, sir? | ||
| Steve, honored me with you, honored me with the war room posse. | ||
| Garry Kastrov never did recover from being crushed by the IBM supercomputer or by Kromnik to that vein. | ||
| I guess that this is what happens when you have liberal chess players trying to pretend to be some sort of experts on international policy or world politics. | ||
| Kastlov knows almost as little about international affairs as everybody does over there mourning Mika. | ||
| Mika Brzezinski, whose father was one of the worst Foreign Affairs actors in American history, and of course, you know, Morning Joe, who knows nothing about nothing except for what may or may not have happened at his congressional office over there in Florida almost 20 years ago. | ||
| Here's the problem. The problem is that, no, talking about nuclear weapons is not like an asteroid hitting Earth. | ||
| And talking about a full military defeated in Ukraine for Putin, by the way, again, I was one of the first people from our side of the spectrum politically to say that this was a major mistake by Vladimir Putin, and I'm proud and honored to have done it on this air almost a year ago now. | ||
| It was a mistake then. It remains a huge mistake now. | ||
| However, pushing for a goal to be the full military defeat and then regime change in Russia is actually driving America toward what Gary Castle not even realizing in his own sort of feeble political mind It's calling for, which is a repeat of World War II. Look at the examples you gave. | ||
| all world war two and all the civil war well okay gary so if you want millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of people around the world and specifically of america to die for your political perspective that is a perspective that is shared by many but that you know in the end that is that that is getting you Then you can continue to push it. | ||
| But here's my question. If Gary's so into this and he's all in on, you know, hey, let's go and have a full military victory in the Ukraine and everybody's got to be engaged on the front line, what's he doing on morning Niko? | ||
| Why isn't he over there in the Ukraine fighting? | ||
| Let me play. By the way, he makes a criticism there about people about negotiation. | ||
| This is right after President Trump goes, hey, I can solve this in 24 hours. | ||
| He said it in New Hampshire. He said it again in South Carolina. | ||
| He said it repeatedly. President Trump is out today with a new video. | ||
| Can we go ahead and play that and have Boris's response? | ||
| Let's play President Trump about the CCP. It's rarely even mentioned that China has many thousands of spies working in the United States in business, finance, academia, technology, media, and likely Even government, very sadly. As president, I established a special initiative at the Department of Justice tasked with the sole mission of targeting Chinese espionage in the United States. | ||
| Joe Biden terminated that program right away, suggesting that it was somehow racist. | ||
| According to published reports, this came shortly after 160 faculty members of the University of Pennsylvania, where I went to school, the Wharton School of Finance, home of the now infamous Biden Center, wrote to Merrick Garland, and demanded that the Chinese Espionage Initiative be shut down immediately. | ||
| Congress needs to dig deep into the financial operations of the University of Pennsylvania, its Chinese donors, the Biden Center, and the Biden family, and figure out what the hell is going on. | ||
| As president, I took the most dramatic action of any administration to curtail China's ability to conduct We're going to have espionage in the United States. | ||
| And when I'm back in the White House, those efforts will be expanded in a very, very big way. | ||
| Instead of hunting down Republicans, a reformed FBI and Justice Department will be hunting down Chinese spies. | ||
| We will create new partnerships with businesses and universities to give them the tools to protect themselves from insider threats. | ||
| We will also impose whatever visa sanctions and travel restrictions are necessary to shut off Chinese access to American secrets in compliance with our demands and in compliance with our laws. | ||
| The FBI even recently admitted that China operates a secret police force on American soil. | ||
| How do you like that one? Imposing the iron fist of the Communist Party. | ||
| The rule. | ||
| Think of this. The Communist Party rule on Chinese nationals and the United States. | ||
| Just think about that. | ||
| We will shut that down and we will shut it down cold. | ||
| Thank you very much. Boris, we just had, you know, this morning they said Blinken, the Financial Times said Blinken's going over to meet with Xi and Tiger Yee because there's a thawing of relationships, sir. We're about to have these huge investigations start next week. | ||
| They're already taking depositions. | ||
| We have a spy balloon the size of the carriage on its size of three school buses. | ||
| And the Biden administration refuses to shut it down. | ||
| In fact, Jon Tester has just come out with a tweet, or Jon Tester has been quoted, it's been out by CNN, that he's the senior appropriator in the Senate. | ||
| He's saying that he's calling for a hearing immediately. | ||
| To have the Biden administration, this is a left-wing Democrat, to have a Biden administration come before the Senate and say exactly how this happened, how long have they known about it, why weren't people notified? | ||
| Because Testa understands he ain't going to be reelected in Montana, right, with this debacle in the White House. | ||
| So give me your assessment of this Chinese situation right now and your belief from President Trump's perspective since he put out this very powerhouse No doubt a powerhouse video. | ||
| President Trump going right to the heart of the matter. | ||
| President Trump put in place a system to identify and deal, eradicate with the Chinese spy program, eradicate the Chinese spy program in the U.S. Joe Biden called it racist and dismantled it. | ||
| Is that the same Joe Biden whose crime family has been getting billions of dollars from China? | ||
| Is that the same Joe Biden who's been buying home after home, mansion after mansion? | ||
| With money that came from God knows where, not from this time in the Senate, the same Joe Biden whose son, Hunter Biden, is a bad man for the Biden crime family and has proven through the laptop from hell to have extensive relations, including those rent payments that are so murky in terms of the House of Wilmington, but coming likely and possibly from the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| So what we have right now is an illegitimate leader. | ||
| with knee-deep ties to the Chinese Communist Party, who's refusing to deal with Chinese spies in America, dismantling programs that would do so, and now allowing a Chinese spy balloon to travel peacefully across America. | ||
| And, you know, of course, Jon Tester looks, he sees, he thinks, hey, here's a campaign commercial, the balloon with Tester's face on it. | ||
| He doesn't like that any. So now he's hauling them into hearings. | ||
| President Trump this morning Very simply saying, shoot down the balloon. | ||
| Four words, which if we had a real leader in the White House, and we will when President Trump is back in there, that would have already happened. | ||
| And not all this nonsense with General Milley saying, no, that's a bad idea. | ||
| You know, there could be some damage if the balloon is shut down. | ||
| Hello? Montana is not exactly a populated urban area. | ||
| You've got a lot of space over there, Steve. | ||
| You know that pretty well yourself. | ||
| This is a disaster for America. | ||
| It's a disaster for Joe Biden. | ||
| And once again, and I don't say this happily. | ||
| I say this sadly, but it's reality. | ||
| Elections have consequences. | ||
| Stolen elections have catastrophic consequences. | ||
| And that is why we don't have actual leadership right now in our country. | ||
| Boris, I know you've got to bounce. | ||
| We've got about a minute. Weigh and measure what you're seeing on the Capitol Hill, etc., of this rush into Ukraine. | ||
| Now they're all of a sudden surprised they've got 500,000 Russian troops on the border versus the handling of the CCP, sir. | ||
| The warmongering has got to stop. | ||
| We've got to be very serious here. | ||
| Again, Putin made a huge mistake. | ||
| He should have never, never invaded Ukraine. | ||
| It was a huge mistake. And yes, there's a way to deal with it. | ||
| The way to deal with that is to engage both sides. | ||
| Tell Putin that we are going to arm Ukraine to the tilt. | ||
| Tell Ukraine, hey, we're not going to give you anything else. | ||
| You two better come together and figure it out. | ||
| Yes, that is called a negotiated resolution. | ||
| And by the way, each war does have a negotiated resolution. | ||
| Gary Kasparov, go stick your chest. | ||
| Okay, buddy, no matter how it is, in the end, it's negotiated. | ||
| And yes, including the civil war here in the United States. | ||
| So the key here is this. | ||
| Let's get to a resolution. | ||
| Let's not let this blow up into World War III. We cannot afford that financially. | ||
| We cannot afford that militarily. | ||
| And we cannot afford that in the matter of American lives. | ||
| How do people get to you, your morning newsletter, everything on social media, Boris? | ||
| Thank you so much for having me. | ||
| My information, the website is hot. | ||
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| Stay strong. God bless. | ||
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| We try to make sure that we provide a framework. | ||
| So that all the information you see can then fall into something that helps you make sense of what's going on. | ||
| And one of the things I did years and years ago, in fact, I was at the Pentagon in a graduate school in Georgetown, was to go back, not just read the books about World War II and talk to the people who fought it, but to go back and actually look at the newspapers and how you led up to it and how the news reported it. | ||
| Right now, I can tell you we're in the dark valley of the 1930s. | ||
| These things are happening every day. | ||
| And the situation in Ukraine, we have to get our arms around, we have to say, stop, this is not going to happen. | ||
| We had Matt Gaetz on, and I realize Matt Gaetz is a very controversial And there are people in this town that don't think very highly of him. | ||
| There's other people that think very highly of him. | ||
| And I know our audience thinks highly of him. | ||
| I think you saw that today in his thinking. | ||
| This situation with the War Powers Act or forcing the Biden administration. | ||
| And look, you've seen it right here. | ||
| John Tester. John Tester. | ||
| Is as left-wing as any guy you're going to get in the U.S. Senate. | ||
| Clearly it's an election year and he's worried about Montana and Montana is Trump country. | ||
| But Tesla does not put a shot across the bow when he says, I'm hauling people before the Appropriations Committee, which I'm the senior defense appropriator. | ||
| And they're going to answer my questions of how did this happen? | ||
| How did we hear about it? This is the problem with this regime. | ||
| On the debt ceiling and on the financial condition of the country, we really don't know where we stand. | ||
| We just don't. Why? | ||
| The government refuses to put out their numbers. | ||
| Especially the debt ceiling is supposed to be hit. | ||
| It was technically hit in January, but it was supposed to be out of cash by extraordinary measures, their concept, by June 5th. | ||
| That's just not true. I can tell you right now, 1,000 % that is just not true. | ||
| It's not true. And if they put forward their numbers, I can show you how it's not true. | ||
| It's just not true. Okay? | ||
| And you could go on for a long time and continue to pay the interest in debt. | ||
| But here's the point. They will not come forward with anything about happy talk and these generalities and all this. | ||
| And that's why we have to force Treasury to come forward and give us a financial model. | ||
| Tell us exactly where you are and when you want a clean debt ceiling, how is it sustainable the next year, and the next year, and the next year, and the next year? | ||
| You just heard, you know, Dr. | ||
| Kevin Roberts on here talking about kind of a political solution so as not to encumber a 2024 nominee to basically kick it two years down the road. | ||
| Now, I'm one of the dead-enders. | ||
| I obviously don't agree with that. | ||
| But I do appreciate that Kevin McCarthy and Dr. | ||
| Roberts and other people I respect, that is one alternative. | ||
| I'm a dead end. I want to see the numbers. | ||
| I want to fight that battle now. | ||
| And I don't think you're encumbering a 2024 because I think we have to have an adult discussion about where the nation's finances are and how we continue to finance this without just putting money at the Federal Reserve. | ||
| Right? The other is about this Ukraine situation. | ||
| We are now in a situation where they're talking on MSNBC, and this is how it goes. | ||
| They throw it out there, then they start pushing it. | ||
| That now we're talking about open, not just have we given the tanks, not that they want the F-16s from us, not that they want the missiles and the rockets and all of it, they want the support crews, and now they're actually talking about confronting the Russian army. | ||
| This would be American combat troops to deliver a devastating battlefield defeat, a battlefield defeat that would lead to unconditional surrender. | ||
| To do that in World War II, What? | ||
| 120 million people died? | ||
| 125 million people? | ||
| If you did all the calculations? | ||
| Over 100 million people? 100 million people to get to the unconditional surrender of the Japanese and the Germans? | ||
| Remember, we had to bomb Nazi Germany back into the Stone Age and we had the Red Army, hello, the one they wanted to defeat. | ||
| And in Japan, it took two nuclear weapons. | ||
| The first one, they weren't going to surrender. | ||
| The second, they thought, oh, these guys got unlimited. | ||
| We better do this. This is the kind of insanity and we need to force a War Powers Act. | ||
| Biden must come to the table. | ||
| If Tester thinks he's got a problem where it's been over the Aleutian Islands and we didn't hear about it for a couple of days ago, and now we know that Alexander Burns, the head of the CIA, was up there briefing people in a classified briefing, I think on Tuesday, and never brought this up, that a spy balloon was over the continental United States. | ||
| This is the kind of problem we have. | ||
| Stolen elections have catastrophic consequences. | ||
| We're seeing that every second of every day. | ||
| Okay, the second hour we're going to get into this, we also have Ed Dow. | ||
| There's more math about the died suddenly. | ||
| Ed Dow is going to join us. | ||
| Joe Allen, we're going to get into this more. | ||
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