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Jan. 27, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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steve bannon
This is the timeless scream of a dying regime.
unidentified
Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon
I got a free shot of all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
MAGA media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Babb.
Lee Zeldin got one.
I'm not sure how that works, but anyways.
Mike Lindell...
Mike Lindell received four votes.
Harmeet Dillon received 51 votes.
and Ronna McDaniel received 111 votes.
So I'm pleased to announce Ronna McDaniel has been elected chairman of the Republican National Committee and the gavel is yours.
Congratulations. We've got to get Mike and Harmeet up here.
Mike and Harmeet, can you please come up?
Thank you for the race you ran, for the leaders you are in our party.
We are so grateful for you.
Congratulations, Ronna.
Congratulations, Ronna.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Congratulations, Ronna.
Thank you.
Congratulations, Ronna.
Good luck.
I need a drink.
I want to go to the bathroom.
Where's Mike?
Come on out.
Come on out.
We're going to see him.
Go ahead.
Thank you.
I can't say enough wonderful things about, oh yes, you may.
Thank you. Thank you.
Love you. About Mike and Harmeet.
Art Whittich asked that we sing a song together.
We all have come to the most unanimous decision of unity that we will not sing a song.
But please, please join.
We need all of us. We heard you grassroots.
We know. We heard Harmeet.
We heard Mike Glendale. But with us united and all of us going together, the Democrats are going to hear us in 2024 when we take back the White House and the Senate.
Thank you. Okay, welcome.
steve bannon
It's Friday, 27th, January, Year of Our Lord, 2023.
Welcome to the afternoon and early evening rendition of the War Room.
I want to start with Liz Harrington, Chief Communication Strategist for President Trump.
Liz, thank you. I have you on here.
To talk about tomorrow, and you gave a brilliant interview with John Solomon, talking about President Trump's solution for Ukraine, that things are going to lay out tomorrow in New Hampshire.
But I start with you and Matt Schlapp.
You used to work at the RNC. Ronald McDaniel, we have heard the grassroots.
How do you take that, and do you buy that, Liz Harrington?
liz harrington
Well, I'll echo what President Trump said, which is, congratulations, now let's stop the cheating.
Let's stop the Democrats from cheating.
Stop the Uniparty from cheating.
And I think that has to be the top priority.
And I absolutely hope she's sincere.
And this was a heated debate, even if the vote didn't look like that in the end.
The American people have had it.
They've really had it with leadership.
They've had it with youth party-style politics.
And I think if she is smart, which she is, she will listen to the grassroots and really take a hard look at these issues and work with Mike and Harvey to really bring this party together and to actually win and get a free and fair vote.
steve bannon
Liz, you were actually at the RNC, I think came, it was after the 3 November 2020, and came over and were, you were the executive editor here at War Room, I think for a year before you went back, you went to work for President Trump.
What would you, this audience, let me say, we had live streams up on Getter, multiple live streams, Grace Chung and Nicole Grady have just stopped, tens of thousands of people.
I can say easily, Jane Zirkle was running one, that it's going 100 % to zero, that people are in a good place.
You know the grassroots as well as anybody.
What would you tell our audience right now?
That they should do, given that they're not just extremely disappointed.
They're quite surly.
They're a little angry, right, because they are huge supporters of President Trump and the precinct strategy.
But most importantly, they're members of this movement, this grassroots movement that wants to change the country, and they just don't think the RNC has been listening to them.
So what would be your message to them, ma'am?
liz harrington
I think they should not give up and hold their feet to the fire.
It's not dissimilar to the Kevin McCarthy fight.
And already, to his credit, we've seen Kevin McCarthy following through on certain big promises that he made.
And the pressure needs to continue.
And I think that's the key message for the grassroots here.
You have to continue to put your money where your mouth is if you're not happy with the RNC. Then donate just directly to candidates you do support.
Make them aware of who you're supporting, who you want to see in these primaries.
And make sure that Rana follows through on these key things that she just promised.
She should bring in Mike Lindell.
He has spent tens of millions of dollars really building out Experts and grassroots and lawyers who are working on this election integrity issue.
Be serious. You should actually bring some of the people in, work together, and come up with a plan for 2024, because we certainly need it.
steve bannon
Liz, let's pivot to tomorrow.
It's kind of the kickoff events.
They're very different. You guys are going to wait on the big rallies to sometime in the future.
But New Hampshire, and we're going to cover, just for our audience, we're covering live the New Hampshire speech with President Trump tomorrow.
We're going to be doing pregame from 10 to 11, supposed to start at 11.
We're also going to have other news and other people on.
It's going to be jam-packed for 10 to 11.
President Trump is supposed to speak now.
At 11, we will follow that in its entirety, and then the war room will be around to do post-game analysis and observations before we turn it over to Wayne Allen Root.
That's all tomorrow, so make sure it'll be a very special day.
He speaks at a convention tomorrow in New Hampshire and then goes to South Carolina for a smaller event.
I want to make sure, just our audience here, you were very perceptive on the John Solomon Show here on Real America's Voice.
Talking about President Trump's thoughts about Ukraine and what needs to be done.
You said that this is going to be a major part of his speech tomorrow, ma'am?
liz harrington
This is a major issue right now.
And President Donald J. Trump is the only person in either party saying, let's put the brakes on this.
Let's not escalate to nuclear weapons after tanks.
He's leading on this because he's the only person who actually doesn't support endless wars.
And we saw that in his first term, the first time in generations he didn't get into new overseas entanglement.
He was actually ending wars.
And so I think he's going to focus on this because it's a huge issue what is facing our country and the world.
But also, there's a vacuum in the Republican Party as well, but leadership in general.
that are speaking for the people on this.
They don't want to escalate this.
They want to worry about our border.
They want to secure our peace and prosperity here at home first.
And that's what this is all about.
It's America first, laying out that agenda.
And so I think he's going to go all of these issues and show how he is one person so unique, who's already done it once, but can, for the new challenges we face right now today, Exactly what the prescription will be for a great, strong America.
steve bannon
Liz, how do people follow you?
We know you've got to bounce, you've got to catch a plane, and we're going to hopefully grab you tomorrow before these events.
Absolutely. How do people follow you?
What's the social media?
liz harrington
Truth Social, at RealLizUSA.
I'm also kind of back on Twitter.
unidentified
We'll see how free it is, but at RealLizUSA.
steve bannon
Kind of. The Pathfinder.
Liz Harrington, the Pathfinder.
Liz, thank you so much.
Honored to have you on. We'll talk to you tomorrow.
Really looking forward to the President's speech up in New Hampshire.
Thank you. By the way, Charlie Kirk is actually in Dana Point.
He's heading to a plane. He's going to call us.
As soon as we get Charlie, we're going to bring him on.
I got Matt Schlapp. Matt, what would you...
CPAC is known as a grassroots event.
We had a fantastic and amazing time in Dallas, and we're going to be...
We've got a whole special offer for the War Room Posse.
We want as many people to attend this March 1st through 4th.
But what do you say there's a lot of...
Beyond hurt feelings, a lot of people are just saying, hey, people are not listening to us.
What would you have to say to them?
matt schlapp
Yeah, well, first of all, I give great credit to Harmeet Dillon, Mike Lindell, and people who ran for RNC chair.
I've run these races before.
They are, you know, as inside baseball as they possibly could be.
It's hard to dislodge an incumbent.
I give Ronna McDaniel a lot of credit.
I mean, she scraped it through and she held on with one ballot.
I wouldn't have anticipated that she would have been able to take care of that in one ballot.
And what I'd say is this, look, I've lost a lot.
I've won a lot. And when you lose, you lick your chops.
You figure out what you do differently next time.
And now we've got to fight socialism.
I mean, the fact is, is a message has been sent to those who said Kevin McCarthy was inevitable.
No one should fight him. And a message has been sent to that big white building, the RNC, the Eisenhower building, that, hey, it's business as usual and we're going to do things the same way.
Ronald McDaniel and Kevin McCarthy know that if they're to succeed in these jobs that they've just been elected to, they're gonna have to really work with, in a coalition, MAGA America, America First America, the conservative movement.
All these people, they're the heart and soul of this movement.
It's hard to win some of these internal battles, but the fact is, if you pull the vast number of people that pull the lever for Republicans across this country, They have America first principles.
They have conservative principles.
And they drive the whole movement.
We just need to remember that.
And as we move forward, we got to make sure that we get the policy victories that we want.
That is the most important thing.
Not always the person, but the policy victories.
steve bannon
Talk to me, make the analogy, do you think, because, you know, the criticism coming from Karl Rove and from Newt and Fox nonstop, you know, even Geraldo last night jumped on the Hannity show, and Sean did come to Gates' defense.
Why did you guys do this in public?
Well, you know that they tried to talk to Kevin and his team beforehand, and they just weren't prepared to budge in.
It had to be public, and we had to use our leverage.
Can you make, when Rana...
And look, I have nothing against Ronna personally.
This is all about the grassroots and listening to them.
When she says, we've heard the grassroots, what would Matt Schlapp tell this audience that they ought to look for to see if that's true?
And McCarthy, you can see this so far.
I mean, it's almost like a chain.
Look, we're not being Pollyannish, but he's about as changed as you could possibly be.
I mean, you can tell he's got some ties with some of the big donors and the corporatists.
Who he's peopled these committees with.
Particularly rules on some of the heavyweight committees, appropriations, ways and means, you know, putting in a MAGA type in ways and means, the investigations, the debt ceiling so far, he's been dug in.
So if you see that that worked to a degree and you've got to monitor it every day, what would you tell people to look for at the RNC that she really is listening to the grassroots, sir?
matt schlapp
What we want, what the grassroots across this country really want, Steve, and you know this, is...
Let's quit trying the same old things.
You can raise a lot of money with Brie and Chablis and feather the nests of all the consultants that play in politics and run the TV ads.
But in the end of the day, the left is kicking our butts because they're more innovative and they use technology and they cheat a lot.
And the fact is, is that the people who animate the Republican Party are by and large Christian activists, people of faith.
They're not going to cheat. Even if people say we ought to do the same thing they do, their values prevent them from doing that.
Remember, there was a time in politics, I even remember the 2000 presidential campaign I was on in the 2004 campaign I was involved in, when the Republicans were the innovative ones.
We were the ones that developed or at least grabbed onto micro-targeting.
We were the ones who said we could reach out to African Americans in key states like Ohio to make a big difference on values issues.
And then somehow we let the Democrats hopscotch us.
And this is one of these moments where Anything that we're doing that's the same old, same old, we should scrap it.
We should go back to the fundamentals on voter registration and get our people on the ballot, I mean, on the rolls.
But the secondary thing is we do have to use technology and we do have to get the best ideas from the entrepreneurial class to try new things.
The RNC is a stale, old, It's a paint-by-numbers building, and it's why we are losing, because we feel like if we just do bus tours and have rallies and get people all kind of motivated, we will win elections.
steve bannon
That's wrong. Matt, hang on for one second.
We're going to hold Matt Schlapp, CPAC through the break.
Charlie Kirk's going to join us.
stick around in the War Room.
unidentified
Your host, Stephen K. Babb.
steve bannon
Okay, for the next two hours, we're going to be going in and out of what happened in Dana Point today and make sure that your voices are heard.
We understand people are quite upset.
Matt, we've got, you know, I don't know, a couple hundred thousand people in all the different chat rooms all over, right, chatting, and they're not even paying attention to the show.
They're still... Just, I mean, live it.
I haven't seen this even on the Kevin McCarthy thing.
And I got to ask you a question. You were on the first plane that went out to Las Vegas.
Yes. And you met Kurt Schlichter out there and I think Ambassador Grinnell.
We put different teams. Boris went to Arizona.
Bossy and Corey went to Pennsylvania.
I think Rudy went up there. People deployed to every place.
Some people went to Georgia. We deployed people everywhere.
You guys went to Vegas. And what you saw there is what you saw there with the RNC. And then we just had Adam Laxalt should be in the United States Senate.
There's just no doubt that was stolen from Laxalt, 100%.
So when you sit there and this is what, remember the grassroots, when they give a 50 bucks, it is the difference between taking the family out to dinner to have some downtime and have some family time or giving it to a cause.
Right? And so they're sitting there and they see these situations, and you saw it up front and personal, what was not done in 2020 and allowed that to be stolen, and then to come back in 2022.
So, I mean, having seen it up close and personal...
Where it's just not about voter registration.
Yes, voter registration, all that, the get out to vote, the buses, all that.
But the Democrats are in a different business.
Yes. And it looks like the RNC just hasn't understood that, you know, in the transportation business, some people were in the horse and buggy and other people were building trains.
matt schlapp
Well, the big failure...
What's your assessment? The big failure was they didn't learn the lessons of 2020 and try to implement them in 2022, which is why I think this whole kind of revolt happened.
I think Harmeet Dillon has been saying...
You've got to prepare for this battle before this deal, before all the fraud happens.
I definitely agree with that.
But there's a mentality here.
As soon as the Republican Party allowed itself to get talked down on these basic questions of What is racism in this country?
We allowed them to say to normalize this idea that you could have dirty rolls filled with people that are illegal voters and that you could then mail ballots to them maybe more than once and then you would reduce the scrutiny and all the signatures on those ballots, which is exactly what they do in Vegas, then they did it again.
So that as long as a ballot, not a vote, not a person, but just a piece of paper hits a box, It's going to be counted.
And the verification systems that we always had...
steve bannon
But here's the point.
The stealing of Laxalt was actually, I think, worse than stealing Trump's.
It was so in your grill, and people had done so much.
They had the rallies, and remember, at the end of the first count, he's up by 24,000 votes, and they know exactly what they have to count, and then they come back and win by exactly what they do.
That's what I think has people disappointed.
Wouldn't you be open? The timing of CPAC now couldn't be more fortuitous.
Would you be open to have an open conversation about exactly these topics and the direction of the RNC and all of it?
With the grassroots, because CPAC turns out, we've got a special deal we're going to talk about in a second, but walk me through CPAC, what's it going to be, and you guys open to have, we've got to have a partner's discussion here, because we're going to lose the base.
At some point in time, it's not everybody, but if you lose 10 % of the people, and they said, you know what, I just can't do this anymore, I'm going to go play golf, that 10 % is the difference between victory and defeat.
matt schlapp
That's right. Yeah, and look at these close races.
We lost the lion's share of the close races.
Yes, that's due to illegal voting, but it just can't be that you lose every close one.
Right, Steve? I mean, even when you're flipping a coin, you win 50 % of the time.
I knew just enough about statistics to know that's right.
And as far as what CPAC's point is, all these disagreements we saw with the 20 taking on McCarthy, Which made a huge difference in how the House is going to handle questions of spending going forward.
This division we just saw at the RNC, those debates have to take place on the CPAC stage.
I'll tell you another one. We got a lot of people running around saying it's the pro-life movement that caused us victories in November.
I don't agree with that.
We ought to have that conversation.
Should there be federal legislation to limit abortion?
Should it only go through state capitals?
What can actually be done to get a handle on this illegal voting?
Do we have technologists on our side that we can lasso and hopscotch them on some of these technological needs.
Can we change everything we do as a party in a movement?
And I think we have to have all those debates on the stage.
We have to get consensus, or at least the lion's share of us have to understand what the action is from this point forward.
We just can't jawbone it anymore.
I'll be honest with you, Steve.
I don't want to jawbone it anymore.
It's too exhausting.
We either make change or we're going to lose the country.
steve bannon
Perfect. Now, this year you're back in D.C. I think you couldn't be more fortuitous of that, that the one in Florida, enormously successful, the Texas one, our audience absolutely loved.
I mean, people are still buzzing about that, and that's why we want everybody out there to come to CPAC. But tell us you're in D.C. Walk us through what's going to happen to the degree you can.
We know you roll out. We do know President Trump's going to be there, but I know you're going to roll out.
unidentified
President Trump was announced. Overall, go ahead.
matt schlapp
You were announced, Steve, just moments ago.
So if you like Stephen K. Bannon, you're going to want to be there.
I'm going to pepper you with questions about what you want to get accomplished at CPAC. But here's where my head is.
My head is that I don't want platitudes.
I don't want quotes from great conservatives at previous CPACs.
I want to know reality-based solutions in each one of these areas.
How do you stop a government that's weaponizing all the parts of DOJ to destroy anybody who stands for America's founding?
How do we stop the politicization of the medical community that's now on the brink of poisoning our kids with Stuff that isn't good for them in response to this Chinese corona.
What are we going to do about the fact that everything when it comes to illegal voting is all about, well, it's all fine, it's all normalized because we're healing our racial divisions.
We're going to get that. We have to stop that and we have to fight that.
What are our answers on all these things?
And on technology, I tell you, I know you know this because you know this world better because of your former finance background, but we've got about 10 or 20 Pretty exciting technological answers for Red America, whether it comes to phone or search or their data needs.
And they're just burgeoning in the market.
I think our people are hungry to not just complain about things, but to find real solutions, including real market-based solutions on our technological needs.
And when it comes to the Republican Party itself, the reason why people are so proud of what the 20 did in the Speaker's fight And they're proud of what Harmeet and Mike Lindell did in the RNC chair fight, is that if we don't fight and grow our numbers going forward, we're doomed. And that's why so many people are pleased that Donald Trump's running again.
Because as much as they respect and admire a lot of these other names who are considering running, who's the one person who stood up against Washington and extended a middle finger?
And if we don't do that this time starting on day one, instead of two years into the administration, we are cooked.
steve bannon
Matt Schlapp, how did they get to you?
How did they get to CPAC to get all the answers?
I think you go to CPAC.org.
That's right. And you go slash War Room.
I want everybody to get the War Room discount.
unidentified
It's a big discount. It's big.
steve bannon
Thank you. By the way, we're going to pack it.
Our folks had such a great time in Dallas.
And then they had a great time in Turning Point.
They love these live things we do.
unidentified
And Real America is always going to make a huge, huge, huge...
matt schlapp
Some people say Charlie's a competitor.
I always tell Charlie, I want your events to be bigger than ours, and then I want our events to be bigger than yours, because if all that happens, we're gonna save the country.
I just want to say that we've got to reclaim the capital, Steve.
We've got to come to Washington, D.C., where they wrote Black Lives Matter on 16th Street, changed the whole kind of complexion of this city, elected a radicalized mayor, started to defund the cops.
Crime is out of control. Drugs are out of control.
Let's reclaim this city.
Let's come back to this city and show them that it's our capital, too.
steve bannon
Amen, brother. Matt Schlapp.
Matt, real quickly, your social media, where do people go?
matt schlapp
Well, I like this thing called truth because Twitter's been very mean.
So I'm on truth a lot.
I just said a couple before we went live.
It's at mschlapp.
You can follow me on all the platforms, but I'm kind of liking truth.
steve bannon
Thank you, brother. Appreciate it.
Matt Schlapp, CPAC. We're going to spend more time in the next hour and a half going through our involvement in that.
Charlie Kirk is with us on the phone.
Charlie, you had a lot to do out there in Dana Point.
Give us your update. Your assessment, your Twitter stream was pretty impressive.
Walk us through it. Thank you.
unidentified
We worked our tail off and we were on the ground in Dana Point today, actually all week, trying to Trying to effectuate some change.
You know, 90 to 98 percent of Republican voters said that they were upset with how the RNC is being run, and they wanted to see a regime change.
111 members of the RNC today, despite my best efforts, and I talked to a lot of them, they decided that that doesn't matter.
I do want to make something clear, though, Steve.
It's not insignificant, the vote tally that Harmeet got and Mike Lindell got, 55 people.
That's a big number, considering you're trying to win a country club election.
So that shows that there is some movement and some progress.
But if I was in a moral victory, I would have supported RANA because I actually want to win.
And so I'm disappointed that we didn't win.
But secondly, despite all those amazing patriots, there was, out of the people I talked to, the people that had the RANA buttons and stickers, I knew some of them.
I went up to them and some I didn't know.
And I was just very blunt. I said, why?
And it wasn't that they felt that the RNC was doing such a spectacular job.
Some of them were delusional.
Where they said that November was an amazing success and one of the best midterms ever, which is just not true.
But there was this repeated thing of, well, I know Rana really well, and I think the RNC is being misunderstood by the voters.
And I said, well, 98 % of our voters want a change.
And they said, well, they're wrong, and we're here, and they're not.
And that was disappointing to me.
steve bannon
Charlie, can you hang on?
I know you're trying to catch a plane.
Can we hold you through a commercial break and then come right back to you?
unidentified
Yep. You got it. Okay.
steve bannon
Short commercial break.
We got Charlie Kirk who was there.
He's trying to catch a plane, but we're going to hold him for a few minutes.
We also have Ben Burquam, Oscar Blue are down in the Darien Gap.
They've come out from the jungle and we're going to interview them.
We're going to maybe try to track down Boris.
We got a lot going on.
Darren Beattie. We've got 90 minutes to go, and it's going to be packed from wall to wall.
Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA, and the host of The Charlie Kirk Show right here on Real America's Voice is going to join us with his after-action combat report from Dana Point in a moment.
unidentified
We will fight till they're all gone.
We rejoice when there's no war.
Let's take down the CCP. Host, Stephen K. Mack.
steve bannon
Charlie, you wrote this Twitter link that we've got up on the screen, and we're going to put it in all the chat rooms.
I need everybody to read it because it's the most on point after action report.
Walk us through that because you did that right off the heat of battle.
And it sounded like you were a little hot, but you were on point.
Walk us through your assessment.
unidentified
Well, thank you, Steve. Yeah, I mean, look, I broke it down in a couple categories, which is foremost the good, that there's 55 great members of the RNC. Probably right around that number, and I met so many of them, and these are people that listen to the grassroots, and they're knocking on doors, and they're volunteers, and they're the best we have.
And I really appreciate it getting to know them.
The second category of people are just, they're kind of squishy.
They just say, well, we'd rather have continuity than chaos, and not necessarily the biggest fan of Rana, but we don't want to upend the apple cart.
And then the last is probably 100 or so people that, when I talk to them, they just have contempt for the grassroots.
When I told them that, you know, hey, 98 % of your voters want to see some sort of change here, they would say, well, you know, we are in the committee and they're not, and they don't understand what we do here.
And apparently, I guess what they do here is lose Senate seats and take a lot of money in.
And not exactly deliver results.
And so I said, look, it's unsustainable.
steve bannon
But a couple of people were actually pretty blunt with you and said, hey, people need to stop watching Tucker Carlson and Steve Bannon's War Room and your show, Charlie, and they need to start reading newspapers.
Give us some of that feedback.
unidentified
We want to hear feedback. There was a voting member who approached me who was pretty upset with me.
I sent out an email a couple weeks ago basically saying that we're going to be actively involved in removing committee men and committee women and state party chairs that don't represent their voters in this upcoming vote.
He was not exactly a fan.
And I said, well, you know 98 % of your people want to see change.
He said, oh, I know that. I said, why do you think that is?
He said, well, it's because people are watching Charlie Kirk, Steve Bannon, War Room, and Tucker Carlson too much.
And they need to go back to reading newspapers.
I said, yeah, I don't think that's exactly right.
It was just shocking to hear, right, that somehow conservative media in this program is the problem.
That should just give you a little bit of a taste of the attitude and the contempt.
I was in the room when the vote happened, and I consider it to be a throbbing middle finger, a message from 111 people of the RNC that are telling this audience, the War Room Posse, our audience on the Charlie Kirk Show, okay, we hear that you're upset, and we don't care.
And by the way, please send us $25.
And that's basically the great anger that I have towards this is that they're going to disobey and just ignore the will of the grassroots and then probably turn around and many people in this audience are going to get text message emails and direct mail in their mailbox in the coming weeks asking them for a donation.
steve bannon
Well, I tell you what, Charlie, what I'd like to do, because I know you're heading back home, is maybe on Monday, before your show, we'd like to take the half hour between the linkage and get you on and start talking about solutions.
I think people want to hear from you on solutions, and I appreciate it.
I think everybody appreciates you going out there.
The interview with Governor DeSantis, It was incredible.
And Governor Santis, it's a win-win for him because he backed the grassroots.
It doesn't matter what the vote count is.
He came out and backed the grassroots.
He's a pretty straightforward guy.
He's not putting a charm offensive on you.
He's giving it to you with the bark on.
He says change has got to come.
We need change. He understands where the grassroots heads are.
Charlie, how do people get to you over the weekend and follow you on social media?
unidentified
Yeah, they can listen to an interview with DeSantis.
We talked about a bunch of different topics, too.
We talked about African-American history studies, that whole thing that's been in the news.
We talked about the Don't Say Gay Bill, which is not actually that.
We talked about the new college that they're doing in Florida.
They can just check out the Charlie Kirk Show podcast.
Super thankful for this audience and the War Room posse.
So just do our podcast, open up the podcast app, and type in Charlie Kirk Show.
And I'm going to be doing a podcast Over the weekend, recapping my time at the RNC. I'm going to get my thoughts together even more and really write it out and keep it organized.
steve bannon
It'll be great. Yeah, if you do that, that's what I'm going to get into now.
If you do that, we'll push it out on our getter site and everywhere.
Charlie Kirk. And by the way, Kosovic did an excellent job sitting into the hot seat, the big chair at the adult stadium.
unidentified
Charlie Kerr. He's the man.
God bless you, Steve. Thanks.
steve bannon
Okay, I got two special guys.
All your prayers.
Okay, your prayers didn't get answered in Dana Point, but it got answered down in Central America.
Oscar Blue Ramirez, Ben Burquam, and Michael Young came out of the Darien Gap in one piece.
Let's bring in Ben, Real America's Voice investigative reporter, Oscar Blue.
Guys, tee it up. We don't have as much time as I thought we were going to have.
I'm going to keep you through the next block, too, though.
But tee up what we're about to see, which is, quite frankly, extraordinary.
Tee it up, Ben and Oscar, and then we'll cut right to it.
ben bergquam
Well, we started our journey at the Venezuela-Columbia border about two weeks ago, just over two weeks ago, to show what the mainstream media doesn't want you to see.
And you asked us what our objective was, and it's really, it's very, it sounds simple and kind of abstract to shine light in the darkness and expose the left for the liars that they are.
But man, God has just shown through on every single part of this, and we had the opportunity.
We're actually going to go across the Darien Gap.
We're looking at opportunities to do that, one of the most dangerous places in the world.
We were looking at opportunities to do that with some of the tribes down there, and we talked to Centerfront, which is basically the Special Forces of Border Patrol that run the border protection.
They go after the narco-terrorists that run this area, the cartels that run this area.
And when we brought it up to them, they said, first they said, we recommend you not do it, we recommend you fly out of Panama, you don't go across there, but if you do do it, we can't give you protection.
They ended up coming back to us the next day and saying, We've decided to come with you.
We're going to do something we've never done before, and we want to escort you guys all the way across from Anachacuna on the Panama side near Colombia all the way across to the end of the Darien Gap where the smugglers are taking people, and we had that opportunity.
It was really a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.
oscar blue ramirez
Blue? Well, yes, you know, it was a really horrific journey that I can say inside the Darien Gap.
I don't recommend it to nobody.
It was three days and a half of, you know, multiple cramps, dehydration, exhaustion, ultimately.
But the most important thing is that we went in there with the authority, with Centerfront, to show us the reality and the truth.
We didn't go as all the leftist media.
They instead of you know of stopping this and try to do something to stop this they incentivize and they pay coyotes to go there that is the only way for the leftist media to do it for us it was different we went in with the authority with center front and the footage that we are going to provide to you guys is going to be completely unbelievable shocking as the route it is completely dangerous it's a matter of life and debt In some moments, if you put one step wrong, you will fall into a cliff and you will die.
It is that simple that you can lose your life in this particular place where it's incentivized by the open border policies of the Biden administration.
Those are the only ones that need to be held accountable, that administration, for this disastrous and horrible journey inside of the Darien.
steve bannon
Let's play this. I want to play the package, but I want people, when you're watching this, I want you to understand that this is what women and children come up through.
And I mean small children. I'm talking a couple of years old, right?
Mothers bringing newborns.
But this is when you're going to see these two guys, and trust me, Ben Burquam and Oscar Blue are pretty tough hombres, right?
Let's go ahead and play the package, guys.
We'll come back and have a minute on this side of the break.
Let's go and play it.
unidentified
We're getting an opportunity to go in what no other network, no other individuals have been blessed and invited to do by the colonel, to go in and be escorted across the Darien
Gap with Centerfront.
I got it.
ben bergquam
guys. We're heading in.
We're heading up our first mountain.
of the day, already seeing tons of trash.
This jungle is just littered with trash and we're just at the beginning.
Wait till we get in the middle.
And I just found this, it says Juliet, a child's arm about the size of my daughter, maybe three or four years old, left behind.
No idea if Juliet's alive or dead.
She made it. She was taken, trafficked, you don't know.
We've got our first tent. Looks like someone made camp here.
Again, you don't know what happened to them.
This is a terribly difficult journey.
And we've been on the trail for about an hour now.
To get to the point where we are, sometimes it takes people three or four hours, and when you've got kids, you know, they may have started late, decided to sleep here, realized you can't use a tent up here, and just left it.
Right here at the top of one of the mountains, actually we're still going up, not the top, one of the rest areas, we've got condoms, the UN condoms used All over the place.
Condom. Condom.
Condom. Condom.
Condom. Used.
unidentified
All used. Right here.
ben bergquam
There's a very high probability that there was a rape.
Multiple rapes happened right here.
Thank God for the UN giving out those condoms so women can get raped instead of telling them not to come.
Unbelievable. These demons give out birth control and condoms knowing these women are going to get raped.
You see the blanket they could have been bedded down with?
He just pulled out. It's pure evil.
Pure evil. This whole ground here is littered with condoms.
It's like a bed of condoms.
Similar to what we see on the US side.
We call them rape trees when you got the panties and bras in the trees.
But you got panties and bras all over on the ground here too.
And condoms everywhere.
It's just pure evil. brought to you by the United Nations, NGOs and leftists.
I'm sure you guys are really proud of yourself.
unidentified
As we woke up this morning, getting ready to head out.
ben bergquam
got a group of illegal migrants coming in.
unidentified
This is the child abuse that we have so much talk about.
This is complete child abuse.
You cannot put a child through this.
As you guys are going to see later on in the footage that Ben and I are going to provide for you guys, you guys are going to see how horrific that journey is and imagine putting a child that we have set consistently.
This is child abuse.
And they say there's a big group of women and children that is coming behind.
ben bergquam
It's 6 o'clock, 6 a.m., and had a group of what they claim to be Haitians.
We see this. They may all be Haitians, but we're seeing many from Cameroon, many from West Africa coming across as well.
This was all men, two women, and two children.
And just watching that poor little child be bathed right here and then carried like a sack back over to the group is just heartbreaking.
And then to think that there's, it's all the men here and they've basically left the rest of the women and children behind.
So we don't know how far behind, but they said it's a massive group that's coming through.
Just, here you go, Joe.
Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Open Borders Democrats, The Daily Beast, New York Times, Los Angeles Times, CNN, MSNBC. You did this.
steve bannon
I mean, look at the danger.
It's unbelievable. All of those folks are coming, and you're going to pay for it, this audience.
They're going to be wards of the state.
That's exactly what's going to happen.
Ben and Oscar, give me 20 seconds each.
We're going to go to break and bring you guys back.
Ben, what did we just see?
ben bergquam
The couple things.
The absolute destruction of the rainforest.
The left pretends to care about climate change.
While we had Davos going on last week, they don't give a damn about it.
They just care about money and power.
And the death and rape of women and children.
oscar blue ramirez
Absolute abuse to humanity and human torture that is incentivized by the open-border policies of leftist, communist, socialists, and absolutely the Democrats.
That is what we're seeing in the jungle.
steve bannon
Short break. We're going live back to Ben Burquam and Oscar Blue Ramirez.
It just came out of the Darien Gap, one of the most harrowing journeys in this world.
We're gonna get a first-hand account from these two heroes next in the war.
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We had Grace. We had Nicole.
We got Jane Zirkle. We had Captain Ben.
Everybody were doing live streams nonstop.
The real action of what was going on at Dana Point.
We're going to be doing a lot more over the weekend.
We got President Trump tomorrow.
Real America's Voice live coverage.
Show starts at 10.
Live coverage of New Hampshire starts at 11.
His speech. President Trump historically has run, I don't know, a couple of three minutes late.
We're going to be there for the whole thing.
We're going to stick around afterwards and give post-game coverage until we turn over to Wayne Allen Root's show on Saturday.
I want to go back to Ben Burquam and Oscar Blue Ramirez, Real America's Voice, investigative reporters, and things you're doing on the border.
One thing, and this is for the podcast and radio audience who can't see it, and this is why you've got to go to worm.org and get on our newsletter or email list.
You get to see the footage. We send the footage out to you guys.
Where are you guys right now?
Tell the audience, because I know you just went through the most dangerous journey, one of the most dangerous journeys on Earth, but it looks like you're in a beautiful resort right now.
I mean, it looks magnificent.
Where actually are you guys so that people understand where this beautiful place is?
ben bergquam
Well, you know, it's funny, Steve.
Like, that's part of what we saw in the jungle, too.
It's one of the most beautiful places on the planet.
Now we're in El Valle de Anton.
We're actually hanging out with the one and only Chuck Holton.
The work he's done and Michael Yan have done really were the prelude for what we were able to do going across the Darien Gap.
They gave us support and cover as we did that.
And we are in one of the most beautiful places on the planet.
I think we're getting a rainbow behind us on the mountain, God's promise to the Israelites, but to us as well.
steve bannon
It's spectacular. Oscar, give us your assessment.
By the way, I just want to say that Masako was in Davos.
Always part of the deal when we sent you out with Michael Yan.
She's got to be there to chaperone.
But to know that you were with Holton, too, who's even wilder and crazier than Michael Yan, I'm very disturbed by that.
I just found this out now. Oscar, tell me about where you guys are right now.
oscar blue ramirez
We are in the beautiful part of El Valle d'Anton.
It's in the middle of a volcanic area.
It's just beautiful. After four days of complete exhaustion, you know, God's plan is our mission.
So we accomplished that.
That was one of the most toughest things possibly that Ben and I have ever been in our lives.
And our whole purpose and our whole mission is to show and expose the lies of the left to stop this torture of the children.
And humanitarian torture, the left lives out of humanitarian misery.
That is what they're doing. And on top of that, they're polluting, they're contaminating.
It is total, massive abuse.
That is our number one purpose.
And right now, we're resting after four days of a really exhausted journey that we did, Mr.
steve bannon
Bannon. Oscar, you're one of the toughest guys I know, and you guys have been planning this for a while, and Burquam is an incredibly tough guy.
Did your attitude change when you were actually going through it yourself with the danger and how rugged it is about how dangerous it is for women and children?
oscar blue ramirez
Well, both of us.
And I want to say something in front of the public.
I'm really proud of my brother Ben Berquan because he's a total leader.
Both of us we are, but in the midst of the moment that we were, both of us, you know, struggling to go up a mountain because we were feeling cramps bend.
I broke one of his toes, going up the mountain, coming down the mountain.
The last day, I was not drinking water because my body was not taking it.
I was not able to also eat food, so it was just a matter of psychological survivor.
So it is really difficult, but God put this test to us to know what are we capable of.
And I'm really proud of Ben because he showed me how much he loves his country, how much he wants to do something to expose the evilness and the godliness that exists out there.
And both of us, we try to do our best that we can.
And our attitudes completely change from one day to be strong, and the other day God tested our vulnerabilities, and we put that into the greatest perspective to achieve our mission.
ben bergquam
And Steve, if I can add to that, you know, you mentioned it.
Go ahead. We're pretty in shape, guys.
Both of us are fairly fit.
unidentified
How do women and children make it through there?
ben bergquam
Well, that's the question. And the sad reality is many of them don't.
We're going to be providing more video.
In fact, I believe tomorrow morning on the show, we're going to be releasing some video never before seen.
There was a mother with a child under one years old that was still nursing that we came across in the jungle that said she had been in the jungle for 10 days, 10 days.
Honestly, it makes me sick to my stomach.
Any woman, any child going through that, and we know of mothers with multiple children that have gone through that.
We saw that the first day when we were in Kapoor Ganon going up the mountain.
No child should go through this.
No woman should go through this.
As men, it was difficult for us, but what we see going on, and the sad reality is we talk to them, and they all say the same thing.
Nobody told us it was going to be like this.
They lied to us. They said it was going to be easy.
We paid them our money and we got lied to.
And sadly, as you mentioned, Steve, many of them never make it out.
steve bannon
Ben, how do people get to you, get the footage, put up?
We're going to have you back on next week to go through more detail.
But this weekend, where do people go to get everything that you guys are putting out now?
ben bergquam
We're going to be putting it on social media.
And again, we have to say this.
Huge shout out to Rob Sig, Real America's Voice News.
This is the only network that's bringing this to you.
We're going to be putting out specials.
We have hundreds of hours of footage that we're compiling now.
Real America's Voice, americasvoice.news.
My social media, at Ben Berquam, B-E-R-G-Q-U-A-M. You can find it there at frontlineamerica.com in blue.
oscar blue ramirez
To all the team of Real America's Boys News, everybody that works behind the scenes, thank you so much.
And also the team that put also logistically this together, Mr.
Michael Young and Mr. Chuck Holton that provided a lot of help for us.
My social media, Getter, Oscar Blue, Twitter, Oscar Blue, OscarBlueRamirez.com.
And of course the best network that exists in the world, Real America's Boys News, sir.
steve bannon
No, no. I mean, for Rob Sieg, Parker Sieg, the entire production team, everybody that runs the channel and the network, incredible.
BBC's not doing this.
ABC, CBS, CNN, nobody's doing this.
National Geographic's not doing it.
It's dangerous. And it looks magnificent.
The footage is incredible.
Guys, you're patriots and heroes.
God bless. Still be safe.
We'll get back to you as soon as possible.
unidentified
Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir.
steve bannon
This trip's incredible and it's going to change a ton of minds in this country.
Number one, you see the danger?
And every person getting there, they didn't tell me this, the cartels, these people, the officials take their money and then leave them.
Okay, we're going to be back for the next hour of the War Room.
It's going to be lit. We're going to get back into this RNC situation.
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