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Jan. 25, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 2469: The Disaster In Maricopa County
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steve bannon
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christina bobb
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joe allen
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thomas williams
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tiffany justice
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jake tapper
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joe scarborough
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laura ingraham
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unidentified
The final scream of a dying regime.
steve bannon
Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
Mega Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Vance.
Congressman, now Fox is reporting that any decision from Biden is not going to come until after he delivers the State of the Union.
laura ingraham
So what do you ultimately expect that decision to be now?
unidentified
Well, things in Washington aren't always what they seem.
matt gaetz
Consider this. It was Joe Biden's Democrat personal lawyer that was rummaging around his stuff looking for, what, evidence of a crime that his septuagenarian client committed nine years ago?
And then he alerts the Democrat staff at the White House That does the absolute worst thing you could possibly do.
unidentified
They sat on the information.
They should have diffused the Trump matter and then inoculated themselves in the process.
Then the moment this is leaked to CBS, you have the Democrat Biden Department of Justice appoint a special counsel.
And now the big tell is that even Joe Biden's strongest allies in the Congress, like Senator Coons, are saying that they approve of the appointment of a special counsel to criminally investigate the president.
Maybe the deep state and a lot of these Democrats have figured out that they'd rather roll with Gavin Newsom than Joe Biden.
The Republicans might not even have to help the Democrats take out their trash.
Well, Congressman, before President Biden answered the question on the classified...
steve bannon
Okay. Okay.
unidentified
Got to cut that mic on. You got to cut it on.
steve bannon
We're going to get to the Gates piece.
He was blown up.
It was amazing. He was on fire last night.
I think it was the prep on War Room on Laura Ingraham last night.
But I want the staff to cut what he said about Ukraine because I want to come back with that.
Very specifically, Matt Gates said no more money on Ukraine until we get a full accounting on Zelensky and everything else.
There should be that we should force The President of the United States has to come to Congress, particularly all the conservative Inc.
fanboys, Zelensky fanboys, all the constitutional conservatives, quote unquote. Let's go back to the Constitution.
Let's have Biden, let's force him to come to the House, at least ask for a resolution.
But even maybe even make him do more on that.
But we ought to have a coherent explanation.
And part of the coherent explanation is why is the head of the CIA, why is Burns in Kiev briefing Zelensky?
Why is the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Millie there?
Why are we all of a sudden putting up provocative land warfare equipment like Abrams tanks to position for a major project?
Ground campaign in the spring, which all the reporting is on CNN, BBC, all of them.
We're talking about the siege at Bakhmut to get ready for a major ground offensive to take back Crimea.
I can't underline that enough times.
If you had a problem with Crimea, you know, Obama in the deep state, the administrative state, that was, if memory serves me correctly, back on your watch, right?
The Bush-Biden apparatus should have worried about this at that time.
And why are you not in Taiwan?
The Chinese Communist Party is the existential threat to this country, the influence in this country, in Wall Street, the corporations, Silicon Valley, big tech, everywhere, the venture capital firms, and in Washington, D.C. Why is the head of the CIA and General Milley not in Taiwan briefing?
You know why? Because they're afraid of the CCP. They're afraid of what the reaction would be for Beijing.
Whereas we have Tom Williams up here, we have 340 million Christians.
When a guy like Tom Williams writes a book with a serious publisher, like Sophia Institute, it's about the coming persecution, it's going to get worse. And when a guy like Tom Williams tells you, hey, the persecution of Christians now, violent persecution, not the ostracization you get here in the United States, but in Europe, the violent persecution of Christians is as bad or worse as first century Rome.
When they try to destroy the church by persecution, and when you have as the taproot of the spirituality of the Christian church, both for the evangelical community and for the Catholic community and for the Orthodox community, comes from the Desert Fathers, right? We have looked the other way and allowed the Desert Church to be totally eviscerated on our watch On our watch.
You can't point the finger at anybody else.
Tom Williams. Why is this not preached from the pulpit every Sunday?
Why are evangelical ministers not preaching this?
I never hear this from any Catholic pulpit.
Why is that? Why is it complete silence?
How can we browbeat the New York Times?
In the Times of London and the Financial Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, MSNBC, NBC News, CBS, how can we browbeat the hostile secular media when it's not being preached?
And people are sitting there.
I didn't know that. I didn't know that was happening in Nigeria.
I didn't know in sub-Saharan Africa the churches.
You have this tremendous growth in vibrant church and they're being eviscerated every day.
I didn't know that. I didn't know that the biggest threat to Xi that he talks about all the time are the hundred million plus Christians underground in China.
How can we browbeat the secular media, sir, when the church itself Is complicit in the silence here and looking the other way, Tom Williams? I'm just going to give you one case in point, Steve.
thomas williams
In March 2019, you remember this case.
It's front page.
It was top billing in every single news program in mainstream media.
It was when a man in Christchurch, New Zealand broke into two mosques, started shooting up Muslims, and killed 51 people.
That was huge news, and it was a terrible story.
It should have been huge news.
What you don't know, probably, is that in that same week there were 120 Christians killed in Nigeria that were not even reported on at all by CBS, by NBC, by CNN. This is something that was just said, oh, so Christians died.
You know, Christians die all the time.
Who cares? There are lots of Christians.
It's something that in the mainstream media, it's like it's a non-issue.
And I think for a lot of Christians, we don't want to be whiners.
We don't want to be people that are saying, look at us, look at how badly we're treated.
And I think that sometimes we have a duty to speak out and we don't do it.
I'll give you another example.
This is one that's very telling in my mind.
If you look at Wikipedia, there's actually an entry in Wikipedia for Christian persecution complex.
Now, think about that for a second.
Christian persecution complex, how Christians have this idea that they're persecuted when they're really not.
Can you imagine if there were a Jewish persecution complex or a Muslim persecution complex as entries in Wikipedia?
They're not, by the way.
It's only dealt out to Christians.
It's simply a completely Unlevel, completely biased way of looking at Christians.
You're supposed to turn the other cheek.
You should take persecution for granted.
Just get used to it. And I think that we sometimes allow that message to keep us from saying what we have to be saying.
steve bannon
Tom, what is the beginning?
You're a guy that can think things through.
What's the beginning of the solution here?
What then is to be done, sir?
thomas williams
Well, one of the things is I love and I love to shine a light on some of these Christian watchdog groups.
That actually are not afraid to talk to numbers, not afraid to say what's going on, like AIDS at the Church in Need, like some of these, like the Hudson Institute with Nina Shea.
I mean, there are a bunch of really good groups that put out facts and figures and keep those who want to be informed, informed. That's the first thing.
Second thing we can do, I think, is really bolster these religious freedom groups.
I think one of the greatest responses we have is to push religious freedom for everyone.
This is not looking for privilege.
This is not saying that Christians should have it, other people shouldn't.
This is a way of understanding that faith matters.
And that Christian religious freedom is something that we as a nation in the United States, we as the West have to get 100 % behind, and we're not. And allowing places like China to just walk over the Uyghur Muslims in Xinjiang or the Christians throughout the entire country, to allow them to do that without throwing in their face every day is criminal.
It really is. It is abandoning our brothers and sisters in a way that's completely unfair and unjust.
steve bannon
Tom, where do people get access to you and where do they get access to this great new book from Sophia?
thomas williams
So at tdwilliamsrome is my Twitter handle.
I've got a website also, www.thomasdwilliams.com.
And Sophia Institute Press is the best place to go for the book.
You can also go to Amazon, of course.
I'd prefer you buy it through Sophia.
It's nice for them to get that attention directly, but Amazon carries it as well.
steve bannon
How do they get to? Give us the website for SOFIA. Where do they go?
thomas williams
SOFIA Institute Press.
If you type that into any search engine, it'll pop right up.
steve bannon
First entry. Okay.
Want to make sure Grace Chung and Captain Ben, everybody put it up in all our chat rooms.
Tom Williams, honored to have you on here.
Thank you very much. Great book.
We'll make sure we push it hard.
thomas williams
It's a pleasure. Thanks, Steve.
steve bannon
Thanks, brother. The key to this, and you see the activity in the beginning with the new committees and the energy and the focus.
Look, it's not perfect.
We want to win more.
We want to win all the time, right?
You are what your record says you are.
But that came from the hard work of people that got us this, what, 10-seat majority in the House.
Nancy Pelosi ruled with an iron fist and got a lot done for her side with that, and we're going to do the same thing.
That's a massive Obviously the investigation, southern border, all of it massive.
And it takes this audience to stay on top of people every day.
In fact, I'll break down the Politico story in tonight's show that talks about the power of this audience and getting on the Senate from the omnibus.
But at the end of the day, you've got to win elections.
I want to go to Arizona.
I've got Christina Bob coming up in a second.
But I want to go to Sophia Bush.
I want to go out to Arizona and talk to this hearing the other day was absolutely stunning.
This was Wendy Rogers, and this was a Senate hearing where actually it's officially part of the record of the state of Arizona.
And what I heard there was not what I've been hearing in the mainstream media out in Arizona about the elections.
Ms. Bush, can you walk through what your group Your testimony, the evidence that you put forward that I think is nothing short of explosive and I hope is captured in this appeal that Carrie Lake is doing about this election that just took place, particularly in Maricopa County, ma'am?
unidentified
Yes, absolutely. So we were commissioned by the former Senate president, Senator Fan, to analyze the signature verification process that's used.
And to make a long story short, it's an absolute joke.
There is absolutely no way.
We've done all of the mathematical statistics.
We've put in thousands of man hours determining what it takes to verify a signature.
And there's no way that they are verifying signatures based on not only our findings, but the fact that you cannot verify, such as in 2022, 1.3 million signatures using 25 workstations over a course of 19 days.
The math doesn't add up.
It's not possible.
Yes. Shelby, hang on for a second.
steve bannon
I just want to know what the existing rules about mail-in ballots and signature verifications are right now in Arizona that you have to comply with.
unidentified
Can you just walk us through, and I'm going to get into what your findings were, but what are the existing rules of the game that you have to officially do about signature verification, ma'am? So the unfortunate part is in the state of Arizona, the rule just states that you have to review the signature before tabulating the ballot and validate it.
That signature, if it's invalid or cannot be validated, then the ballot should not be removed from the envelope and it shouldn't be counted.
And that is the basis of the rules here in our legislation.
However, the Secretary of State creates policy.
And the policy and procedures manual shows you 12 points of signature verification that must occur in order to pass the signature.
And, you know, the reasonable attitude is 6 out of 12 points should pass the signature, but these signatures aren't even meeting that criteria.
steve bannon
So you both have a statute and then you have the procedures manual, which is about that thick.
And I think the fight was it didn't get updated for 22, so you went off the original one.
But there you have a 12-point.
I tell you, Shelby, just hang on for a second.
We're going to take a short break.
Shelby Bush from Arizona, her testimony in front of the Senate, Wendy Rogers' committee, is pretty explosive.
In fact, it's very explosive.
And the question is, why has nobody looked at this until Shelby Bush's group came along?
Short commercial break.
Shelby Bush in Arizona, Christina Bob, we have Tiffany Justice.
unidentified
were jam-packed in the war room.
He was your host, Stephen K. Bamm.
steve bannon
you you Okay, welcome back. So, Shelby Bush, it's $1.3 million.
You've got a statute, you've got a law, and then you've got a policies manual and a procedures manual.
They're 12 steps, and my understanding is it's got to be human.
It can't be artificial intelligence.
I think I'm writing that.
Roughly, of the $1.3 million, your group, how many do you think of those $1.3 million are invalid?
unidentified
Well, confirmed by Texas A &M Professor Emeritus, we have determined with a 99.999 % probability that nearly 300,000 ballots in 2022 would fail signature verification and should not have been tabulated.
steve bannon
Okay, so here's why I'm missing it.
Why, since that is in the procedures manual, in the process manual, that is what you have to go off of, and it's also part of Arizona statute for law, why are those 300,000 counted?
Why is there not a firestorm?
And correct me if I'm wrong, it's not even part of...
It can become part now, I think, because we've had a public...
It's officially part of the documents in the Senate of Arizona, but it was specifically kicked out of Carrie Lake's initial efforts to make sure that people understand that Hobbs is illegitimate and Carrie Lake's the real governor.
Why did it take your group to do this?
Why did the people that run the elections not in the normal course of business following the procedures and process manual Come up and say, hey, 300,000 of these are invalid, ma'am.
unidentified
Because the county is an absolute joke.
I mean, the way that they process, the way they handle their elections, it's an absolute joke.
I mean, look, at the court hearing, if the word signature verification even came up, they all had an allergic reaction.
Because they know that it is just riddled with incompetence.
There is zero accountability and zero oversight of what really goes on with these ballot envelopes.
And again, the math doesn't add up.
They know they can't process these envelopes and they're not even trying.
Some of the stuff we have seen would absolutely blow your mind.
steve bannon
Could you just tell us, give us one or two examples.
The audience wants their mind blown this morning.
Give us one or two examples that you think are the most egregious.
unidentified
Sure. So we processed a dead voter ballot envelope.
The man died several days before the election.
And on the ballot signature component where they're supposed to sign their name, somebody wrote on there, voter is deceased as of October 1st.
Signed his name, and that passed right through without any form of challenge whatsoever.
Over 800 blank ballots with no signature at all, which is a secondary statute violation, because in the state of Arizona, there's no curing a blank envelope without a signature on Election Day.
That vote shouldn't count.
We found 1,800 out of 300,000 analyzed that had no signature whatsoever, no phone number, no date.
We have seen voter registration files with the wrong signatures on them.
It's a disaster.
steve bannon
So, Shelby, how did Bill Gates and the guys at Maricopa County go on TV all the time?
And say it was the most perfect.
It had a speed bump, maybe about the size of the envelope, but they took care of it in minutes after it was over.
And this was one of the best run, if not the best run, election in the history of Arizona.
Ma'am, how does that happen?
How do you have that disconnect?
unidentified
Well, let me tell you how perfect this election was.
We also analyzed the slog files.
Okay, the slog files are the system log files that tell you every read in those tabulators for the 2022 election.
They claim that the EAC is the regulating agency that takes care of those tabulators and decides which ones are used and how they're used.
These tabulators are not to exceed an error rate of.002 or 1 in 500 ballots.
On Election Day, Maricopa County used 446 tabulators.
Not one of them met EAC standard.
As a matter of fact, they averaged 235 times the EAC standard, rejecting over a quarter of a million ballots.
In ballot feed errors.
This is not just an imperfect election, as they like to claim.
They say, well, there's no perfect election, but this is an incredible election.
This was an absolute disaster and a disservice to the citizens of Maricopa County.
steve bannon
So you have a court case with Carrie Lake that is, and Abe Hamaday too, but you got Carrie Lake is now in an appeal, and they had her response last night.
We'll get more on that this afternoon.
You've got Senator Rogers and others that are having these hearings.
Where does this go from here?
This is blockbuster news and of course the Arizona paper doesn't want to cover it.
Nobody out there really wants to cover it.
Where do you and your group go from here?
You've got the receipts.
You have the evidence.
Where do you take it?
unidentified
Well, obviously, we take it to the media.
We take it to the court of public opinion.
I mean, we've got to start there.
We need to wake up the eyes of the American people because they have to start fighting to reclaim their elections if they ever want to have any voice in this country.
And so, you know, maybe we file a lawsuit ourselves, but we are going to continue to analyze this data, to continue to expose what's happening in our election, And I'm going to tell you, the tabulators have been a big issue and people talk about the tabulators and they absolutely need to go.
Just think about if any other piece of equipment you had Failed at a 50 % rate.
How many people would want to use that in their homes, use that in their offices?
This is a 50 % failure rate on Election Day.
And if the voters are not angry about that, I don't know how to make them angry.
And if the courts cannot see That the American people deserve better than a 50 % failure rate, that's worse statistics than baseball.
And baseball is the only sport I know where you can succeed one out of three times and be considered a champion, right? I mean, this is an incredible disaster.
And so we're going to keep voicing things.
We're going to keep exposing truth.
We're going to talk about chain of custody.
And our senators need to step up in this state, and they need to get rid of these machines, and they need to reclaim these elections for the American people.
steve bannon
I've got it up on Getter, but somebody did, I think, an online poll, and it had, I think, 2 million people.
I've got to get this, 2 million people, and 91 % believe that the election was stolen in Arizona.
I mean, the population's I think it's angrier and angrier than what they see is going on.
Will any of this be able to get into Carrie Lake's lawsuit, do you think?
unidentified
I would sure hope so.
I would imagine, you know, much of the stuff that we exposed in the hearing on Monday, it was information we tried to get into that court case.
I did a declaration. I put this evidence forward.
But like I said, the courts had an allergic reaction.
The county had an allergic reaction because they know They know that this is proving their failure, and it's there.
It's in black and white. I don't know how you deny it, and I don't know how the courts can continue to hide from it.
steve bannon
Shelby, quickly, how did they get to you, your group, your coordinates on social media?
unidentified
Where did they go? Sure, it's wethepeopleazalliance.com, wethepeopleazalliance.com.
And if they go to that site, they can read all the declarations of the workers in EmTech who came forward to talk about the disaster, the declaration, and all of the evidence in the presentation is available to them on the website.
steve bannon
Shelby Bush, thank you very much.
Honored to have you on here. Great work.
We'll make sure we put it out there and maybe get you back for a briefing.
Thank you so much, Steve.
Christina, Bob, is this what you're talking about in your book?
Tell me how your efforts and what you saw, because this reminds me of Pennsylvania in 2020, ma'am. Yeah, no, you're exactly right.
christina bobb
I was just thinking that. I was listening to your guest, Shelby Bush.
They've been doing a great job out in Arizona.
Her work continues.
The book covers the early days immediately following the 2020 election through the 2021 election, and then her work has continued on, and they're seeing the same trend, only it's getting worse.
It's getting more obvious.
I mean, Carrie Lake's race In my opinion, it is proof that the election was stolen to the point that your poll shows that 91 percent of the people believe Arizona was stolen.
We didn't have that kind of support and belief right after 2020 because the media had done this blitz media campaign trying to convince everybody that this was the most secure election ever.
So I think Carrie Lake's race Really solidified for people who may have questioned or doubted.
Now they go, oh yeah, okay, we have a problem with our elections now.
steve bannon
Why have they not let us, why were we not able to get signature verification into this lawsuit?
I mean, maybe now, and I'll ask you this after the break.
By the way, we've got Tiffany Justice on deck from Moms for Liberty.
Why has it been so difficult getting the signature verification into this case in Arizona and into these other cases, ma'am? Because it's a legitimate issue and we have a chronically impotent judicial system.
christina bobb
I mean, Republican judges, not just Republican judges, the Republican Party for the last 40 years has become the party of cowards.
And the judges that cowards appoint are also cowards and don't want to take up real issues that crazy leftists don't like.
And the signature verification issue is a very real problem that they don't want to have to deal with, in my opinion.
That's what we're seeing. Judges are scared.
steve bannon
Christina, Bob, just hang on.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
We're going to talk more about your book and more about efforts here, particularly in Arizona, to right these wrongs.
Also, Tiffany Justice is going to join us from Moms for Liberty.
Short commercial break. We're going to be back in the warm in just a moment.
unidentified
We'll be back in the warm in just a moment.
We'll be back in the warm in just a moment.
We're taking down the CCP! Spread the word all through Hong Kong.
We will fight till they're all gone.
We rejoice when there's no war.
joe scarborough
Let's take down the CCP! Less government in our lives, but more book bans.
Less government in our lives, but more cancellation of classes that actually examine our history.
Less government in our lives, and yet actually laws now?
That are talking about stopping 10-year-old girls from being able to flee their states after they've been raped by a relative or somebody else so that they can go make a decision with their parents.
steve bannon
Tiffany Justice, in this whole situation, the mainstream media is in complete meltdown.
on every aspect of the parental rights movement.
You came on here over a year ago.
You said the first step is we've got to take over school boards and get parents involved in school boards.
And not just leave it to these officials that have been running these school boards forever.
And the parental rights movement will then start to take over.
And then the next step will be you actually start to see victories and changing out administrators and, you know, librarians, all of that, right?
So walk us through where you think we stand on the parental rights at the school board level.
And then where are you starting to see the green sprouts of victory of actually starting to change things, ma'am? So somehow we have our...
tiffany justice
Can you hear me? Is that okay? Sorry about that.
steve bannon
How's that? Yeah, that's okay.
It's the mute button.
It's the mute button. I know.
unidentified
I'm sorry. Start at the top.
steve bannon
Since you're a regular, we thought you had it.
Start at the top because we didn't hear the first part.
Where do we actually stand in making progress here, ma'am?
tiffany justice
So, yes, we are making progress.
Thank you for having me on.
I told you about, gosh, I think it's probably a year ago now, that we were going to reclaim these school board seats and start reforming public education, and that is absolutely happening.
So I got word yesterday that during a school board meeting in Broward County, Florida, for those of you That aren't familiar.
That's like Fort Lauderdale area.
That's also where the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School happened on February 14th in 2018.
They've had an extremely liberal school board that also stood against the governor when he said no more masks on kids.
They continued to break the law.
It had this superintendent, Vicki Cartwright, who was an awful disaster, rude to the parents, rude to her own board members sometimes that opposed her.
And she was given her walking papers yesterday.
Or maybe she decided to part ways with the district, as they like to say.
So they said, when should her last day be?
I said, if it's tomorrow, it's not soon enough.
And so I'm happy to see that these rogue superintendents who think they're going to do whatever they want, whenever they want, are losing their jobs.
So what I told you was going to happen is happening.
And as you can see, I'm pretty excited about it.
steve bannon
We had the folks on from South Carolina.
We're seeing this all over the place.
So how does this work? People get involved.
They go and testify.
They get broomed or designated domestic terrorists.
Then they get serious and say, hey, I just can't go and testify because they're just going to blow me off and turn me into the authorities.
I've got to organize and start to get a campaign, either support somebody that I think would do a good job or step up to the plate and do it yourself.
Once you win that, Then it's the whole thing about how the schools are actually run, how the districts actually run on every aspect of it.
And if people are not doing their jobs, including parents, into this process as a major stakeholder, that's when you start removing people?
tiffany justice
Is that the process? Well, I think these school board members are getting in and they know they want to remove some of this woke ideology out of the schools and they're very concerned.
Again, they've been watching these superintendents.
So it's not like the people that ran for school board in Broward County just woke up one day and decided we don't like this superintendent.
They've been watching the superintendent.
They've been going to the meetings.
They've been listening to what she said.
They've watched her break the law.
So when they get onto the board, the school board directs the superintendent.
The superintendent may put the policy the school board passes into action.
He may decide what the procedural implementation will be.
But the superintendent works for the school board, make no mistake.
And so this superintendent wouldn't take direction.
And if you're not going to take direction as a superintendent from your school board, then you're going to lose your job.
And what we need right now, and I've said to you before, is more conservative educational leaders.
So if you're out there and you're a teacher or you're an administrator somewhere, you need to start standing up for what you believe in.
It's really important because I think very soon there's going to be a huge market open for you to be able to advance in your career.
These school board members are looking for good people to hire right now in Florida.
alone. Brevard County has an interim superintendent.
They'll be doing a search. Sarasota County will be doing a search for an interim and a full-time superintendent.
Now you have Broward County.
So if you're looking to move to Florida and you're a conservative involved in education, start figuring out how you can get these positions and take us in another direction.
And I promise you, we're doing it all over the country.
So you know, we endorsed in over 500 races in 2022 for school board.
We won over half of those.
And flipping some school boards.
You talked about Berkeley County, South Carolina.
They changed to their administration, their administrator was, their superintendent.
That's going to be happening all over the country.
And you don't have to wait to flip your governor's seat or your state legislatures in any way.
You can make this change happen in your own local community already.
There are 16 states that will have school board elections in 2023.
We're working in that endorsement process with our chapters, looking to fund our political action committee so that we can actually be able to get some money to support these candidates, to get them over the finish line.
And this is how you change America.
One school board seat at a time.
We reclaim education and now we're reforming it.
steve bannon
All the polling are saying that this actually goes beyond politics in many regards, particularly for centrists and independents.
They're saying, hey, and even some moderate Democrats saying, hey, these schools have got to be sorted out.
These are the most important assets I have in my life, my children, and I'm not prepared to turn them over to woke, and I'm not prepared to turn them over to indoctrination and propaganda.
Tiffany, the battle in 16 states, and then as you predicted a year, year and a half ago, the personnel department, the human resources, the ability to get Conservatives are people that understand that parents are a stakeholder in this entire process is the next stage.
Where do people go for Moms for Liberty to find out more information?
tiffany justice
MomsforLiberty.org is our website.
We've got a big map there.
Click on the map to start a chapter or join one near you.
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steve bannon
Tiffany, thank you so much.
unidentified
Honored to have you on here. Thank you, sir.
steve bannon
Major Bob, I want to bifurcate this.
We started with McCarthy throwing down Harder and really going after Shift and Swalwell, and they're gone off Intel, which was their power base.
Remember that, their power base.
All these MAGA, you've got all these fighters.
From Boebert to Gates to Eli Crane, you've got Rosendale, all of them, the 20, and the Magnificent Six.
You've got Chip Roy.
You even got MTG, and I realize that a lot of people in the audience are still upset with MTG, but she's still a fighter.
She's going to be on oversight.
You've got all this.
We're showing victories.
And by the way, victories often come incrementally.
You're seeing this massive parental movement.
I think I speak for the audience, and I understand we're getting legislation, and Matt Gaetz said, yes, say, hey, we need Arizona to do what Florida did, and Florida got control of our elections, but if you polled The war room posse, still 95 % would go, man, this thing is so screwed up.
Nothing's getting done. And then I see Shelby Bush come out and tell me that essentially that Carrie Lake did win in Arizona, and yet the city of Yuma is now collapsing in front of our eyes, where Carrie Lake said she would have shut down on day one, which had been four weeks ago, she would have shut down the entire border down there.
What progress in your mind Are we really making about getting these elections sorted?
Shasta County, California just announced yesterday, no more Dominion, no more machines.
But are these like dribs and drabs?
Or do you believe, and do you believe your book and your experience as you go around the country and evangelize this, is enough to turn this mess around, ma'am? Well, I think it takes all of us.
christina bobb
And as you know, that is the message of the book.
We all have to get involved.
This is an all-hands-on-deck situation.
I completely believe that we will correct this, that we will do enough before the 2024 election to correct it.
I believe Donald Trump will be the next president of the United States.
I work for President Trump.
I'm part of the campaign. I couldn't do this job if I didn't believe it was possible, if I thought there was so much corruption that we can't overcome it.
Clearly, I hope I'm living by example, that I believe that this is possible.
I'm trying to do what I can to help educate people in But it takes all of us.
And the Democrats have stolen some seats in some areas where they have power to control the elections.
They have this apparatus of election fraud, and that is their advantage.
Our advantage is that we vastly outnumber them.
We have so many more of us than they do of them, and we have to use our advantage to our advantage, meaning everybody's got to get involved.
So I would say for those of you that have concerns or are wondering Is it possible?
Get involved and figure it out for yourself, because I think once you do, you'll realize there's a lot of great people fighting for this.
There's a lot of reasons to have hope for 2024, and I expect to see a positive result if enough people get involved.
steve bannon
Is there any doubt in your military mind that Donald J. Trump won the election on 3 November of 2020, ma'am? No, none whatsoever.
christina bobb
I think it's clear to any objective observer, if you just take an objective look at the evidence, the situation, and what happened, I think anybody would come to the conclusion that Donald Trump won that election.
steve bannon
To win in 2024, just the math, it may come down to Wisconsin, Georgia, and Arizona. Are you confident, since you've been very involved in the Cary Lake situation, that as we sit here today on the 25th of January in the year of our Lord, 2023, that the situation with the elections in Georgia, Arizona, and Wisconsin, the apparatus,
the rules, the machines, all of it, have been changed and sorted, that we will not expose ourselves, or President Trump's not exposed to having an election in 2024 stolen?
christina bobb
Today, as we sit here, no, that's not the case.
It would be stolen, just like they just stole it from Carrie Lake.
I believe Carrie Lake crushed that election and they stole it from her.
But we have time and we know what we can do to make the corrections.
We know the legislation that needs to be passed.
Get in touch with your local legislators and make it happen.
And I fully believe that we will get to the point where we can do that.
But today, no, I don't think it's where it needs to be.
steve bannon
I take it this book is going to be the launch of your crusade to sort that out and change it?
That's what you're dedicating your life to?
christina bobb
I hope so.
Yes, sir. I hope so.
The goal of the book, and thank God for you using your voice and putting your stamp on it, it's my clarion call to try to rally the troops and say, this is an all-hands-on-deck situation.
This is the situation.
I try to explain it simply.
I try to give examples of what people can do to get involved, what others in various communities have done, and say, just get involved.
Roll up your sleeves and get involved.
Even if you're not sure what you're doing, just start somewhere.
And I believe that we will right this ship.
I fully believe in the future of America.
I believe we are the freest nation ever to exist.
I believe we will continue to do that.
But we all have to get involved.
steve bannon
Christina, Bob, how do people get to your social media?
christina bobb
How do they find the book? It's available on Amazon and you can find me on Truth and Getter at Christina Bob and Instagram and Twitter Christina underscore Bob.
steve bannon
We're going to have to have you back on and take more time and go back through the freest country on earth.
Because let me repeat, Donald J. Trump won the election in 2020.
Not Joe Biden. And you're going through right now.
Elections have consequences.
Stolen elections have catastrophic consequences.
And America's into the middle of the whirlwind.
These radical Democrats sowed the wind and now we're reaping the whirlwind.
Christina, thank you so much for coming on.
christina bobb
Look forward to getting you back. Thank you so much.
steve bannon
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Download now. I want to start with OpenAI because OpenAI was founded in part out of a fear that artificial general intelligence or sort of superhuman intelligence shouldn't be in the hands of any one company and was perhaps coming faster than we think.
Is it really just right around the corner or is it farther off than perhaps even you thought it was initially?
sam altman
I think it's a question of timeframes.
Like, I view the next few decades for this sort of most important technological milestone in human history, I view that as right around the corner.
And so the debate of is it 10 years or 100 years, I don't think that matters too much given the magnitude of what's happening.
Like, it's coming soon enough and it's a big enough deal that I think we need to think right now about how we want this deployed, how everyone gets the benefit from it, how we're going to govern it, how we're going to make it safe and sort of good for humanity.
unidentified
Elon Musk, who founded this with you, has been concerned about the apocalyptic possible future of AI. How realistic is that apocalypse?
sam altman
I think it's always hard to say, like, when you have any incredibly powerful new technology, here's exactly how it's going to go.
I will say that I am personally optimistic.
We are going to get to the good future, but I think that's going to require incredibly hard work from very talented people that needs to start now.
But when you look at the trend as a whole, I think it's going to be incredibly positive.
unidentified
But you do believe that AI can supersede human intelligence?
sam altman
I believe it absolutely will. There's a big debate about timeframes.
I think it takes like unique human arrogance to believe that AI cannot supersede humans.
unidentified
But what about that scares you?
sam altman
What does it mean to build something that is more capable than ourselves?
What does that say about our humanity?
What's that world going to look like?
What's our place in that world? How is that going to be equitably shared?
How do we make sure that it's not like a handful of people in San Francisco making decisions and reaping all the benefits?
I think we have...
An opportunity that comes along only every couple of centuries to redo the socioeconomic contract and how we include everybody in that and make everybody a winner and how we don't destroy ourselves in the process is a huge question.
steve bannon
The most important technological advance in human history.
Oh, by the way, we might destroy ourselves.
What's the over and under on that?
Joe Allen. You know, Morning Meek and these guys are running around with chat GPT stuff you've reported on months and months and months ago.
But the serious thing here is artificial general intelligence, sir? Absolutely.
joe allen
And that was Sam Altman, the co-founder of OpenAI.
He and a number of other people, including Elon Musk, founded it.
And it was just announced.
We reported on the possibility.
The likelihood was just announced that Microsoft is investing $10 billion that will give them exclusive rights in some senses.
But the big point of that is that By pouring all this money into it and by giving it the Microsoft Azure cloud platform, you're talking about a rapid acceleration in the process towards better and better and better AI. It was also just, I think, yesterday, Jan LeCun, the chief AI scientist of Meta or Facebook, was kind of hating on the project, saying that, oh, well, it's nothing new.
We have stuff like that.
Everybody has stuff like that.
In some ways he was trying to blow it off, but what that really means is that I think Meta and also Google, who had Lambda and other large language models, chatbots, I think they're going to probably step into the game just so that they don't get left behind, meaning that the competition will drive this forward faster and faster.
And the man, Sam Altman, who we just heard from, In 2021, less than two years ago, he wrote an essay called The Moore's Law of Everything.
And what he predicted in that essay, in a very positive light, because you can tell he's a very positive guy.
He's as positive as they come.
He was talking about how in the next five years, you will definitely see AI that can read legal documents competently and give medical advice competently.
So there go your lawyers and doctors.
Of course, it was just reported not long ago that there's an AI being used in a courtroom in England.
As a sort of, you know, a council in someone's ear.
He said in the next 10 years you'll start seeing AI that can competently do things on the assembly line, that human beings now are the only ones who can.
And you will also see the rise of AI companions, people normalizing, turning to their AI as a person in their lives.
Then, of course, he says in the decades after that, AI will be able to do everything, meaning artificial, general intelligence, and de facto, because it will be able to take in more data, because it will have basically a permanent memory, and because it is lightning fast as opposed to the chemical, interactions in the human brain, it will be de facto artificial super intelligence.
And he says, with much excitement, this technological revolution is unstoppable.
So what I see coming in the very near future, undoubtedly copywriters and other writers, their jobs are in serious jeopardy.
And because of OpenAI's Dolly 2 art generator, you are going to see commercial artists just put out of business.
They'll be done. Everything will be done on a computer for many companies.
unidentified
I think the most important thing though, Steve...
joe allen
Yeah, go ahead. Well, the most important thing here is that people will be, they already are turning to AI as these sort of companions, right? It's a small subculture.
That subculture will grow.
You will see a huge influx of deepfakes and we'll end up in that Philip K. Dick sort of reality where you can't believe the authorities and you can't believe your own eyes.
steve bannon
Now here's what's going on. By the way, we're teaming up, Joe.
We're going to have Joe back on the 6 o'clock show.
Because of the way that the show is programmed, we have a little more time and space to get to some of these deeper issues.
We're going to have Joe back at 6.
Here's the thing. Everybody run around the book of Revelation on the Antichrist.
This is the Antichrist.
We're creating it. It's obvious.
Remember, it all comes in happy.
It's going to solve problems.
It's going to solve the world.
All the problems are going to go away.
Your problems are going to go away.
The downside of this is bottomless.
The downside of this is bottomless.
Absolutely bottomless.
A bottomless pit of dystopia.
We'll be back at 5 for two hours.
We're going to have Joe Allen back in the 6 o'clock hour.
We're going to be on fire tomorrow morning.
In fact, Joe Kent's going to be with us.
We're going to actually do the debate from Dana Point.
That'll be the opening act for at least the first couple of minutes in our 5 o'clock show.
I'm then going to go and interview the combatants.
We will then have Joe Kent's going to be in studio.
We're going to have hopefully special Rudy at 6 if we can pull that off and work it out.
But Joe Allen will be back at 6.
We're going to have a lot on fire 5 to 7 tonight.
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