Jan. 20, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal stream of a dying regime. | ||
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big line? | ||
| MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Babb. | |
| Okay, we go from Davos to the hard reality and tough reality of sharp elbows. | ||
| hurt feelings, and really the intensity of politics. | ||
| We're going to get back, we're going to have some more in Davos, more on March for Life, more on, we're going to go live to the Darien Gap with our investigative team down there about the invasion of the southern border, really where it starts from, Venezuela and Colombia, all of that. | ||
| Plus more, also in West Virginia, we're going to talk about Joe Manchin and his performance in Davos. | ||
| But I want to start, RNC Chair Rana McDaniel joins us. | ||
| Rana, you were at the March for Life prayer service this morning. | ||
| What did you tell the March for Life folks? | ||
| I said it's a great day to celebrate. | ||
| I mean, for 50 years, we've been hoping for the overturning of Roe v. | ||
| Wade. It happened. I said elections have consequences. | ||
| And when Donald Trump was elected, he put Supreme Court justices on the Supreme Court that brought this historic day. | ||
| And it's a very wonderful day to celebrate our party being a pro-life party. | ||
| And I think now we've got to take it out into the states and continue that argument with the American people. | ||
| You hear a lot, and particularly more the business interest, In the financial interest in the Republican Party, there's a lot of finger pointing about, oh, the reason we didn't have the red wave, the reason that we didn't get the 50, 60, 70, 80 seats, all this to blame. | ||
| The reason that we got blown out in Pennsylvania and others is the pro-life movement. | ||
| What's your assessment of that? | ||
| Is that a real thing inside the Republican Party now to try to get weaker on life, particularly at the state level now? | ||
| Oh, no, I don't think you get weaker. | ||
| I think you've got to be able to talk about it, though. | ||
| And I think a lot of consultants this cycle said to candidates, don't talk about it, talk about the economy. | ||
| But if you're having $30 million spent against you on a lie, like the Democrats were doing in state after state, saying we won't give life-saving care to women having a miscarriage or an ectopic pregnancy, The lie becomes the truth. | ||
| And so our candidates have to go out and say, yeah, I am pro-life. | ||
| I'm proud to be pro-life. But let me talk about the Democrats here who are for gender-selected abortions on a baby's due date on the taxpayer's dime. | ||
| And if we don't push back, then we won't win. | ||
| And the Democrats are coming at us. | ||
| They're creating a lot of lies in this space. | ||
| And I think a lot of our candidates didn't know how to talk about it this time. | ||
| This last cycle, and we need to arm them as they head into 2024 to be able to talk about being probably pro-life. | ||
| I've noticed even in conservative media, in particular over at Fox, I just see that there is this blame put on the pro-life movement for November. | ||
| What's the RNC? You're running again. | ||
| Obviously, it's very contentious. | ||
| We've had Lindell on a lot. | ||
| He's going to join us today. We've had Harmeet on a lot. | ||
| We've had you on. | ||
| When you say that Canada's got to get better, walk me through the plan at the RNC because I think the pro-life movement needs to hear this because I think they're being scapegoated right now. | ||
| This was not the problem, but they're being scapegoated. | ||
| Listen, Steve, the RNC, we put out a memo in the summer. | ||
| This is something I'm very passionate about as a mother of two kids. | ||
| I think it's important that women, we talk about this in a compassionate way, that we get out, that we talk about being pro-life. | ||
| I'm proud to be the party that stands for life and our conservative principles. | ||
| But if you go silent and you let the Democrats fill the airspace, you're going to lose. | ||
| And one of the things I learned out of 2018, when we took the repeal and replace vote on Obamacare, Democrats took that to the midterms and said, we repealed coverage for pre-existing health conditions. | ||
| And it really hurt Republicans. | ||
| And so even though abortion was pulling low and Dobbs was pulling low this cycle, and a lot of consultants were saying, don't talk about it, we do need to talk about it. | ||
| Because if Democrats are spending 30, 40 million against you, you can't just let that space be empty. | ||
| So get out, put them on the defensive. | ||
| You know, if they say, hey, What would you do if something happened to your daughter and she was assaulted? | ||
| You say, you know what? I wouldn't have a daughter because Democrats believe in gender-selected abortion, which is out of control and out of step with most of the world. | ||
| So we've got to fight back on this issue. | ||
| One of the things I'm doing is I have a Future of the Party candidate advisory committee. | ||
| Blake Masters is on that. | ||
| Other candidates we've already met. | ||
| And we're actually coming up with language that each of our candidates has to be ready to talk on this issue and push back on the Democrats. | ||
| You bring up the consultants. | ||
| One of the hits on you is that the RNC has gotten too driven by consultants. | ||
| Right there, even in the political process, you do certain things at the RNC, but you're saying, hey, these consultants come in on the candidate side, and they're going to do what they do. | ||
| They're going to take their own polling. | ||
| This is one of the reasons that, as you said, the candidates were not prepared. | ||
| They didn't make it a top priority. | ||
| They didn't talk about the wins and how we had to go forward and how, quite frankly, two-thirds of 75 % of the American people actually, when it's explained to them, agree with you. | ||
| Do you think that also seeps into the RNC itself, that there's too run by consultants? | ||
| When you hear Harmeet, you hear Mike Lindell. | ||
| Mike Lindell comes from a business perspective. | ||
| Harmeet's a lawyer. But they say there are too many consultants, and that's, at the end of the day, what really runs the RNC, ma'am. Yeah, I disagree. | ||
| I mean, we had 46 different RFPs for our paid voter contact for our digital. | ||
| I mean, we're looking at every consultant. | ||
| And I think we do look at them after and say, what was your success rate? | ||
| What was your product? And how does that go? | ||
| But I'm always having competitive bid process in every aspect of the RNC. And obviously, there's a lot of mail that goes out and digital. | ||
| And I think that's good. But let me go back to the candidate consultant. | ||
| You know, Steve, The RNC, we're getting this false equivalency of being the coach, right? Well, I don't pick the players. | ||
| The voters do, which, by the way, we want. | ||
| One of my opponents is saying that the RNC should get involved in primaries. | ||
| I disagree. The voters should pick who their candidate is. | ||
| And we don't call the plays for the candidates. | ||
| A lot of that's done by the consultants. | ||
| How many consultants have you talked about this cycle? | ||
| Who controlled these races? | ||
| Have you said this consultant was part of this race? | ||
| This consultant did this in this race? | ||
| They're nameless and blameless. | ||
| They go make millions of dollars. | ||
| They push candidates in some cases to put more money on TV because they get more money on the back end. | ||
| And that's why when I brought this Future of the Party Advisory Committee together, we're putting together a template and a booklet for candidates to say, this is what I should be paying on my TV. This is what I should be paying on my SMS texting. | ||
| So that we're helping candidates know what the right rates are. | ||
| But I'm never going to be part of the consultant class. | ||
| Would you be open, then you're open to, actually we had you back to go through and talk about the consultants? | ||
| Yeah, I think we should. | ||
| I mean, listen, see... Either charge them too much? | ||
| I think we should. | ||
| Listen, when you go in, I was with a candidate this cycle. | ||
| They said, Ronna, what should I be paying for SMS texting? | ||
| I said, probably four cents per text. | ||
| They said, my consultant's charging me 17 cents. | ||
| That's ridiculous. A lot of these candidates become cash cows for the consultants and the consultants know they can slink away into the darkness and nobody knows their name and nobody talks about them and then they can say, oh, it was the RNC or it was the state party or it was the candidate. | ||
| We have to start engaging our consultant class and making them accountable that go work for these Senate candidates and all across the country and make sure we're putting daylight on what they're asking these candidates to do. | ||
| I had one candidate, I'm not going to say who, but who was paying 18 % of his TV buy to his consultant. | ||
| Well, guess what? That consultant's saying, put everything on TV. Let's not do mail. | ||
| Let's not do digital. Let's not do that, because that's where I'm making my money. | ||
| And I know this, Steve, because I was the daughter of a candidate. | ||
| When my mom ran for Senate, she was a single mom. | ||
| She had, you know, I'd watched her cut up all her credit cards. | ||
| She had just divorced my dad, who was a Romney. | ||
| And she ran for Senate. | ||
| And we saw, I saw it firsthand. | ||
| This isn't just something I'm talking about, and I watch her say, we've got to put money aside so that the consultants don't make me bankrupt when we come out of this race. | ||
| And those are things I think about all the time. | ||
| How do we protect our candidates and how do we make sure that the consultants are being held accountable? | ||
| And holding accountable consultants at the RNC, what process are you going through with that? | ||
| Because that's a constant complaint you hear. | ||
| I understand you're bidding out contracts, but the consultants actually run the place instead of the committees and people on these committees. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I disagree with that. | ||
| Am I misled in that belief? Yeah, I disagree with that. | ||
| I mean, I will say this. | ||
| There is a rigorous process to be a consultant for the RNC for security reasons. | ||
| We're always being, you know, attacked and there's cyber issues. | ||
| They do have to carry insurance. | ||
| They do have to have an ability to ward off cyber attacks if they're going to be plugging into the RNC infrastructure. | ||
| So those are things. But we have a vendor day, Steve. | ||
| We open it to the state parties. | ||
| We say, tell us your small vendors, bring them in. | ||
| We want to get to know all of them. | ||
| That bidding process is open. | ||
| When I look at a mail vendor, the things I'm looking at is creative content, capacity, but we spread it out. | ||
| I think we had 17 different mail vendors this cycle. | ||
| I mean, this is something we have to spread out, but we want to make sure that we know what their work product is. | ||
| I have the salt list come to my house, so I see all the mail pieces, because let me tell you, I get pretty ticked off if a mail piece comes after the election. | ||
| That's a waste of money. So those are things you have to do as you're doing this. | ||
| But yeah, we're going back. We're saying what mail pieces were effective. | ||
| Talk to the candidates, talk to the state parties, see what worked for their state, how they thought those consultants worked, and then we need to review that after every cycle. | ||
| Tell me about Henry Barber, his role in this, because he's, and correct me if I'm wrong, he's a renowned never-Trumper, anti-Trumper. Is he in charge of what, the audit or the candidate audit? | ||
| Because I think he's a consultant also. | ||
| Do you have consultants like that actually in charge of these things and reviewing this? | ||
| Henry's an RNC member from Mississippi, so we have four that are part of the After Action Report. | ||
| Harmeet is one, Henry, Kim Borchers from Kansas, and Jane Brady from Delaware, and they're running that process. | ||
| I don't know of Henry as being a consultant, but he's a member of the RNC, and I don't think he's a never-Trumper either. | ||
| Let's go. Is Henry's not a never-Trumper? | ||
| Okay. I don't think so. | ||
| Nine states. I think there's... | ||
| There's a current situation down in Florida at the executive committee level. | ||
| Trying to have a vote, I guess, of no confidence. | ||
| Nine states have already essentially voted that, right? | ||
| Including, as we talk on here, Florida, Ohio, Tennessee, Texas, and we would say Arizona are kind of the most MAGA of the states. | ||
| Both Tennessee, Texas, and Arizona, among six others, Have voted no confidence in that they either support Harmeet or they want a change of leadership? | ||
| How does that set with you? | ||
| You know, I think there's been a lot of misinformation put out from Harmeet's campaign. | ||
| And it's intentional, right, Steve? | ||
| So the members who know us best, I have the vast majority of support from the members. | ||
| They've been with us, they've served with us for six years, and we're talking to them. | ||
| And they're grassroots, too. | ||
| But Harmeet's saying, I'm going to put this grassroots pressure on them To come out and go to these members and say all these things about the RNC that just frankly aren't true. | ||
| And as I talk to grassroots members and I get on these Zooms and I talk about the truth about the RNC, they go, oh, I didn't know that. | ||
| So I think some of these are stemming from that. | ||
| And again, the RNC members have shown great support for me. | ||
| And we're going to continue to have listening tours. | ||
| One of the things I'm going to do after this is Go across the country and have a grassroots listening tour and talk to county chairs and talk about the RNC and make sure they know what we actually do and make sure we're hearing from them as well. | ||
| Can we hold you through the break? | ||
| I've got a few other questions, but just one. | ||
| You say Hermit's putting out false information. | ||
| Could you give us a highlight reel of that? | ||
| Oh, you know, I'm not going to go down to that level, but there's been a lot of false information out there. | ||
| So you're saying that she's lying about? | ||
| When you say false information, is she lying about you? | ||
| I think there's been a lot of lies about me, yes. | ||
| And the top one or two lies about you would be what? | ||
| Well, I think just the beginning of that, the RNC picks the candidates and picks the plays. | ||
| We don't do that. We're not doing the strategy. | ||
| I think that's disingenuous. | ||
| I think a lot of the stuff about the spending has been misinterpreted and put out intentionally in a dishonest way. | ||
| But again, Steve, I'm focused on how do we bring people together and how do we get our party unified to win in 2024? | ||
| And that's the campaign I'm running. | ||
| So I'm not going to worry about those things. | ||
| That's the campaign that's being run on the other side. | ||
| I'm focusing on how do we unite around what we need to defeat, which are the Democrats and Biden and the terrible disastrous policies coming from his administration. | ||
| Ronna, just hang over for a second and take a short commercial break. | ||
| Ronna McDaniel, this is very intense, personal, You can say, you can observe nasty, throw down, hard throw down on who's going to be the chair of the RNC and what's going to be the direction. | ||
| short commercial break, we'll be back in a moment. | ||
| I've got to say here it fits perfectly. | ||
| You get two boxers in a ring. | ||
| You find out really quickly who the champ is and who the pretender is. | ||
| You get two people up on a debate stage and one starts sweating profusely. | ||
| You know immediately who the pretender is and who the champ is. | ||
| And the champ goes in, mocks him for sweating, and then jabs, jabs, jabs. | ||
| He sweats a little bit more. | ||
| And then he just goes in for the kill. | ||
| And Trump did that with 16 people in 2016. | ||
| And again, I haven't seen anybody that can get in his face, that's good enough to get in his face. | ||
| I had a good friend of mine, A Republican friend that was at the DeSantis inauguration, and he said business leaders from across the country were flying in. | ||
| They were lined up, as far as you can see, to just be in the presence of Ron DeSantis. | ||
| I said, yeah, and a lot of those guys, they were doing the same thing with Jeb Bush in 2015. | ||
| So we'll see. Maybe DeSantis can take a punch. | ||
| My guess is, just all of us talking right now, my guess is DeSantis says, wait a second, why do I go to the meat grinder that chewed up and spit out 16 Republicans politically? | ||
| Why don't I let Trump run again? | ||
| I'll serve out my term. | ||
| I'll end up with, you know, 80 % approval ratings among Republicans. | ||
| And then in 26, I just opened my presidential campaign and I don't have to even take on the champ. | ||
| Right. I think that's probably what he's thinking in Tallahassee because I think he knows he does not want to cross Donald Trump on a debate stage. | ||
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Interesting. Interesting. | |
| Ronna McDaniel joins us. | ||
| Welcome back. Ronna, there's an article, a piece in the Washington Post, the Jeff Bezos Amazon Washington Post, which I think the rumor is now he's going to be downsizing. | ||
| He doesn't like the economics of it. | ||
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I saw that today, yeah. But here's the thing. | |
| They're saying that you're making a pitch to certain members of the RNC on this vote to say, look, I'm the one that can control Trump. | ||
| I'm the one that can make sure he doesn't run as a third party candidate. | ||
| Let's just start there. Yes, ma'am. | ||
| There is no way in any world or universe where I would ever say I can control Trump. | ||
| And Steve, you know that's true, and I know that's true. | ||
| That's just factually, it's a lie. | ||
| What I will say is, we do need to come out of this primary united. | ||
| And we have a lot of candidates running saying, I'll never support Trump. | ||
| And if you're gonna get on this debate stage, you're gonna have to say, I'm gonna support the nominee. | ||
| Everybody's going to have to say that, that I'm going to support the eventual nominee. | ||
| And I am absolutely saying that because we cannot have a rigorous debate process and come out with a nominee and have anyone say, I'm walking away. Because what we are up against with Biden, and I was just at the border, Steve. | ||
| I was just down in McAllen. | ||
| I saw it. I was in Hidalgo County. | ||
| What they are doing is criminal at our border. | ||
| What they are doing with our schools is criminal. | ||
| What they are doing with our debt. | ||
| And if we fight each other, and I will say this, and if you look at my campaign, I am talking about unity. | ||
| I am talking about how do we bring it together? | ||
| And we cannot have such a vicious, divisive debate process that everybody doesn't agree to come behind the nominee. | ||
| And we have a lot of people saying, I won't support Donald Trump. | ||
| And those are the things I'm talking about on the debate stage. | ||
| We have to come together. | ||
| We've been, the Republican Party's been united before. | ||
| These, and I think this gets to the heart of it about controlled opposition, about the corporate interests and the money. | ||
| And I think this is what gets the grassroots. | ||
| You're absolutely correct. You went to McAllen. | ||
| You see the invasion of the southern border. | ||
| We saw – but the party has been united after we won in 16. | ||
| Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, and they fought Trump at every step of the way on really going after China hard on trade. | ||
| They really went after him and didn't ever approve the wall. | ||
| The omnibus bill just passed, $1.8 trillion, that took the gavel out of the Republican Senate. | ||
| The party has been united in the past. | ||
| In fact, their victories were united. | ||
| But the issue is, and it's the reason we have $30 trillion in debt and $9.5 trillion at the Federal Reserve. | ||
| The unity was unity about being controlled opposition. | ||
| So these issues just didn't pop up here magically in the last 30 days. | ||
| These issues have been building for decades and decades and decades, and particularly under the Bush administration. | ||
| So when you say unity, what do you mean unity? | ||
| Isn't an angle of attack of what really going to be an alternative to the Democrats? | ||
| And quite frankly, when you see what just happened in this last Congress at the end, you had 18 collaborationists led by Mitch McConnell. | ||
| I mean, the reason we're in this situation is it hasn't been an alternative. | ||
| Well, let me put it this way. | ||
| Hang on. | ||
| You now have weaponization of government committees, all that. | ||
| That was all brought on by the heroic 20 that stood there against all opposition from everybody to sit there and fight. | ||
| And now at least we have an angle of attack to take on this, including the debt ceiling, which is going to be a massive undertaking. | ||
| And for decades, The Republican Party has been united, but it's been united around being a soft version of the Democratic Party, ma'am. Well, first of all, I don't think you're going to get the nomination for president or party unless you're a bold leader and you're going to have to go and talk about these issues. | ||
| I think this is what the voters are going to determine, but that's going to be up to the voters, and the RNC has to create a vehicle to have a fair, transparent, well-run primary and debate process. | ||
| But what I will say to the unity thing, Steve, is You have Carrie Lake on your show all the time. | ||
| But coming out of her gubernatorial debate, gubernatorial race, her opponent wouldn't endorse her. | ||
| You had a Republican mayor in Mesa say, I'm not going to support her. | ||
| You had the former state party chair in Arizona start a pack against her. | ||
| And guess what? We didn't win that governorship. | ||
| And it's mainly because of Republican-on-Republican infighting. | ||
| So in Georgia, we had similar situations. | ||
| We were knocking doors of high-propensity Republican voters who were saying, I'm not voting for Herschel, for a variety of different reasons. | ||
| If we are fighting each other so much that we lose sight of what we're up against, then we won't win. | ||
| And so that's what I say. | ||
| We're going to have to come off that debate. | ||
| But the Republicans that oppose Carrie Lake in Arizona are a perfect example. | ||
| They're much closer to the Democrats. | ||
| They believe in the Democrats. Well, I'm not saying I agree with that. | ||
| They believe in the open borders. | ||
| I'm not saying I agree with that. | ||
| If you had an effort, if there was an effort to build this into truly a working class, middle class party, the votes are out there. | ||
| There's just not attention. There's just not attention. | ||
| By the way, still kowtowing to the moneyed interest is what's got us in this place. | ||
| But you want all those votes. | ||
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You've got to get all the votes. | |
| You've got to get everybody. You want Republican and Democrat. | ||
| And we can't be so vitriolic with each other that Republicans say, I'd rather stay home. | ||
| And you also have to support the nominee. | ||
| And so that's what I'm saying. | ||
| With this debate process, we all have to agree, and I think all of us, that we're going to support who the voters choose, who they choose through a rigorous primary process to support that nominee. | ||
| When you say a rigorous primary process, the Keebler elves, having 15 or 16 people on stage, that can never break 1 or 2%. | ||
| Are you going to keep this? | ||
| President Trump is the one announced candidate. | ||
| Is there any doubt in your mind in a Republican primary? | ||
| That he will win the primary in 2024 and win the presidency in 2024. | ||
| Is there any doubt in your mind about that right now? | ||
| The RNC has to stay neutral on that. | ||
| And that's the one thing Harmeet and I do agree on. | ||
| You just have to. We can't. | ||
| We can't talk about that. | ||
| But what I will say is you've got to go win Iowa, then you've got to go win New Hampshire, then you've got to go win South Carolina, and then you've got to go win Nevada and then South Carolina, and then the rest of the map is going to play out. | ||
| Do you believe that President Trump won in 2020 and was stolen, and rightfully, since he got 74 million votes, that he is the rightful nominee and we've got to take another shot at this or we've lost everything, every purpose as a party? | ||
| I mean, listen, I've testified on January 6th. | ||
| I think there were all types of problems in 2020. | ||
| And we all saw this. | ||
| I mean, if you look at Pennsylvania, right? | ||
| So 2016, the total mail-in vote in Pennsylvania was, what, 260,000? | ||
| In 2020, it was $2.6 million. | ||
| So there were all types of problems. | ||
| The reality is, Steve, if you're figuring it out after the fact, that's a problem. | ||
| You've got to figure it out before. And that's why I've invested in election integrity and litigation. | ||
| We just announced a new lawsuit in Washington state where they're getting rid of signature match. | ||
| They're trying to get rid of that. We have to fight for voter ID laws. | ||
| We have to be out there fighting every single day. | ||
| We were in 84 lawsuits this election cycle. | ||
| It's the first time in the history of the RNC that we've been able to do election integrity, and we had 80,000 poll workers and poll watchers. | ||
| And we're going to need that and then some for 2024. | ||
| Yeah. Is the reason that we weren't on top of this in 2020 was the consent decree? | ||
| Is that the reason? Yeah, the RNC couldn't do it. | ||
| Because you just made the case, we can't do it. | ||
| We couldn't do it because we were under consent decree. | ||
| So all the election integrity stuff that could have been... | ||
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Yeah, it could have been done at C. And the consent decree limited us to do what? | |
| The state party chairs could do it, Steve. | ||
| The RNC couldn't. So when I was state party chair of Michigan in 2016, I had poll watchers. | ||
| I trained them. We had a robust process. | ||
| We obviously did that. So state party chairs could do it. | ||
| Candidates could do it. The Trump campaign could do it. | ||
| The RNC was the only one that couldn't because of the consent decree. | ||
| And I'll give you an example. Wisconsin is a state where you can actually elect poll workers. | ||
| It's not just you go and apply to be a poll worker. | ||
| They're actually an elected position. | ||
| So in 2021, we had to get those poll workers on the ballot, recruit them to run, and we elected 5,000 in Wisconsin. | ||
| 465 of them were just in Milwaukee County, right? | ||
| So when Ron Johnson wins in Wisconsin this cycle, I think it's in large part because of the poll watching and poll worker efforts that the RNC put forward. | ||
| But remember, all the blame game people, the RNC couldn't do it until this cycle because of a 40-year consent decree that only went away when the judge died. | ||
| I know you're pressed for time. | ||
| Could you hang through just another commercial break? | ||
| Sure. We have a couple other questions on the other side. | ||
| Ronald McDaniel joins us. | ||
| We're going to have Mike Lindellup, the Attorney General of West Virginia. | ||
| Brother Morrissey is going to join us. | ||
| Also, we're going to go back to the March for Life. | ||
| Hang on. We've got a lot more in store. | ||
| We're going to return with the chairman of the RNC in this very tough, personal, and nasty race for the chairman and chair of the RNC. | ||
| Ronald McDaniel joins us on the other side. | ||
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Take a bow, CCK! Take a bow, CCK! Everything's just beginning, but the games you want to play... | |
| Bring it on and now we'll fight to the end, just watch and see. | ||
| It's all started, everything's begun, and you are over. | ||
| Welcome back. | ||
| Ronna McDaniel is with us. | ||
| Ronna, you talk about unity. | ||
| I've got letters from two, I think you would admit, two of the most gracious, smart, People with discernment, that would be Bernie Marcus and Dick Uline saying that, hey, you've done a good job, but it's time to move on. | ||
| You've got the grassroots, and I tell you the grassroots, at least from the War Room audience and our expanded audience, is united in that you've got to go. | ||
| You've got Tucker Carlson, Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro, Charlie Kirk. | ||
| You've got a huge range of people that are not united on a lot of topics the same way. | ||
| Is this a Pyrrhic victory? | ||
| Is this the hardest thing you've fought for is to stay as RNC chair and at the end of the day it will be a Pyrrhic victory? | ||
| If you do squeak out a winner, you do win. | ||
| In the process, the apparatus of the RNC will be damaged because people, I can tell you, just my sense, and trying to be fair here, these people are not, if they believe they're going to win, but if they don't win, they're not going to let it go after that. | ||
| They're going to be a continual assault on the apparatus of the RNC to make fundamental change. | ||
| Ma'am, your thoughts on that? | ||
| Well, first of all, I think that's a shame. | ||
| If you're running, you should say we're going to come together around whoever wins and work with them. | ||
| So that's certainly what I would pledge. | ||
| I'm going to win. I feel strongly about that. | ||
| Of course, I have people like Kellyanne Conway and Dave Bossie and Reince Priebus, who was a former chair. | ||
| And I put out a letter of 150 major donors who are supporting the RNC, including Liz Uline, who's Dick's wife, who is a big supporter of mine as well. | ||
| Listen, it's going to have to be bringing people together. | ||
| And I'm going to work with Harmeet and Mike. | ||
| And how do we bring everyone together? | ||
| Because what unites us is far more important than what divides us. | ||
| When we are heading into a 2024 cycle, and I'll say this, Steve, I think it's hard to come in as a new chair and ramp up and have the voter registration, the election integrity, the community center outreach, the fundraising, have that ready to go. | ||
| It's going to be at least a year ramp up, and I just don't think we can take our foot off the gas. | ||
| So here's what I'm saying. | ||
| I want more transparency. | ||
| Let's look at the vendor contracts. | ||
| Let's do all those things. | ||
| Let's make sure we're looking at how we can be innovative and aggressive and find new ways to Preach out to young voters and use all the mechanics of ballot harvesting and early voting. | ||
| But we also have to remember we're in the presidential race right now. | ||
| And if we're fighting each other and if we lose this critical time, we're not going to be successful. | ||
| And I'll say one other thing, Steve. | ||
| I've run a state party before. | ||
| Let me tell you what was harder. Running Michigan and going around and saying Donald Trump's going to win Michigan. | ||
| When nobody believed me, the RNC wasn't as in in Michigan, which I don't blame them because we weren't necessarily a battleground state. | ||
| My major donors didn't believe me in the state, and I was this woman from Michigan, you've heard Trump say it, that said, you can win our state that hadn't been won in 30 years. | ||
| So that was a much harder fight. | ||
| This is not going to be a pure victory. | ||
| This is going to be, how do we bring everybody together to win in 2024? | ||
| And if people don't want to work together and they walk away, that's going to be a shame. | ||
| But I'm committed to doing that with Mike, Harmeet, with everybody. | ||
| How do we come together to win in 2024? | ||
| And one final thing. | ||
| This election, the RNC invested in voter registration at the highest level ever. | ||
| And we had huge waves in Florida, North Carolina, Iowa, and states where we invested. | ||
| We also saw in states like Arizona, even Maricopa County, we had an 80 % of the voters in Maricopa County voted before Election Day. | ||
| So we did invest in paid voter turnout before Election Day. | ||
| It was up from 2018. | ||
| So some of these things that you're hearing and some of this miscommunication and the misinformation, please, everybody, keep an open mind. | ||
| I'm not bribing RNC members. | ||
| I'm not giving people plum assignments. | ||
| I am sitting here saying I care about our country. | ||
| I'm a conservative platform Republican. | ||
| The RNC, based on the turnout this cycle, we would have won the Electoral College. | ||
| And that is something we need to replicate to win the White House in 2024. | ||
| And I'm going to work with everybody, Harmeet, Mike, everybody, How do we come together to win this and make the RNC as strong as it can possibly be? | ||
| Justin, in Arizona, because Carrie Lake I think is one of the most magnificent candidates we've had, and there's no doubt when you look at the math, she won. When Robeson and those people would not, you talk about coming together, and coming together they have to work, and if you lose, you're going to come together, and the people should come together if you win. | ||
| Did you have a conversation with Robeson? | ||
| Did you ever tell Robeson and these people the exact speech? | ||
| You just gave a great pitch there on that topic. | ||
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Did you give Robeson and said you've got to come in? | |
| Well, I certainly talked to Doug Ducey. Listen, Karen was upset that we didn't get involved in the primary, for sure. | ||
| But I definitely talked to Doug Ducey. | ||
| I actually asked Doug to work with Kelly Ward. | ||
| I went into the state. I called him after the election. | ||
| He committed that the RGA would put money in. | ||
| I was actually asked to do that by Tyler Boyer. | ||
| The RGA didn't go through the state party. | ||
| They went through Yuma County. That's always a problem when you're going through a county party. | ||
| It always makes it less effective. | ||
| I think Carrie Lake's PAC went through Yuma County as well. | ||
| So this degradation and this infighting of our party is not good going forward. | ||
| But I would ask state party chairs Talk to your candidates. | ||
| Sign a unity pledge before the process starts. | ||
| I think it's why the RNC is important that we stay neutral and primary. | ||
| When you talk about this in the presidential primary, I just want to say, it's a fact. | ||
| You didn't call Karen Robeson, and you didn't tell her, not ask her, you didn't tell her, you've got to get on board here. | ||
| If you're going to run as a Republican, you can't just take your ball away. | ||
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I would ask the state party chair of that state, did you do that? | |
| Because I certainly did it when I was Michigan chair, but I didn't call every candidate across the country and say, are you going to do that? | ||
| I'll do that going forward, sure, but we're going to do it at the presidential, but I wasn't the state party chair for that state, so I would ask that. | ||
| And certainly I went into the governor and said, how do we bring this together? | ||
| Okay, how do people follow you? | ||
| Social media, because this is going to get heated up next week. | ||
| By the way, are you open to be in this debate that Harmeet and Mike Lindell have already agreed to? | ||
| You know, this is such a ridiculous fake, this is another fake news lie. | ||
| This person put out a debate, John Frederick, says, oh, we're going to do a debate. | ||
| I have to conduct business at the RNC. I've got meetings all day. | ||
| And he says, here's this time, and she's not doing it. | ||
| They never asked me. | ||
| They never cleared it with my schedule. | ||
| So this is part of the misinformation, folks. | ||
| Just pay attention. I was never, ever asked to be part of that debate. | ||
| And I can't. If Real America Voice comes to you and says, hey, give us an hour on your schedule that's free no matter the time of day, would you be open to that? In California? | ||
| No. We're going to have a forum there. | ||
| This is gone. | ||
| I've been on your show. We're going to have a forum and a process there in front of the members. | ||
| But don't throw a debate on me at the last minute and say, oh, now she can't do it when it's already in a pre-scheduled meeting that I'm running. | ||
| I mean, we're going from 7 in the morning till 11 at night every night that we're in Dana Point. | ||
| So that's what our schedule is going to be, and it's booked. | ||
| And I'm conducting. Okay. | ||
| So how do... How do people get to you on social media? | ||
| How do they follow you? Yeah, well, I have a website now, so it's ronna4chair.com, and then also Twitter's at GOP Chairwoman, and I'm on Facebook as well. | ||
| Ronna McDaniel, thank you very much for coming on the show. | ||
| Appreciate it. Thanks, Steve. | ||
| Okay, let's get in. We're going to get to West Virginia in a minute, but I've got Mike Lindell. | ||
| Mike Lindell, will you be on a debate? | ||
| Are you open to be any time, day or night, to be on a debate next week in California? | ||
| Yeah, Steve. I just took notes there, and there's going to be a little debate right now. | ||
| Can I do a one-minute read here of notes I took? | ||
| You can do anything you want, Mike. | ||
| Just take it. Well, you know, it's almost like Ronna watched my video I did for all the members this last week and put it out to all the 168 of what I plan on doing, being the RNC chair. | ||
| She said in your show here, she said, She's going to look into mailer prices and emails and look into vendor contracts. | ||
| She also said that she's going to do a grassroot tour. | ||
| She's going to do that. | ||
| And then she said she's going to fix fundraising costs if they're too high. | ||
| She said that she's going to go out and do Meet with these people. | ||
| When you come down to Canada, it's like Cary Lake. | ||
| Now you're going to actually go meet with the right people. | ||
| Steve, all the things she's saying, it's too little, too late. | ||
| That ship sailed. | ||
| You should have thought about that after 18, after 20, and after 22. | ||
| And these are all the things I've already been doing. | ||
| I've been dealing with the grassroots for two years. | ||
| We're tired of it. We want our voices heard. | ||
| Hang on. Give me your central... | ||
| Because we took time with her. | ||
| We asked her questions, let her answer. | ||
| I'm not supposed to be an interrogator, right? | ||
| We're trying to be as even-handed as possible. | ||
| I understand that upsets certain members of our audience now and again. | ||
| But what's your central beef? | ||
| Just make your case. | ||
| You heard her. Make your case. | ||
| Why Mike Lindell and why Mike Lindell now? | ||
| She just reiterated, right towards the end there, when you hit her with the Cary Lake being one of the greatest candidates this country's ever seen, and she went and talked to Doug Ducey. | ||
| Doug Ducey is on the other side. | ||
| I mean, Doug Ducey, Brad Rasenberger, Robin Voss, these people shouldn't even be talked to. | ||
| We already know that they're Democrats, basically. | ||
| But what she did there, you brought it up. | ||
| Why didn't they get behind Carrie Lake? | ||
| She's, you know, everything she wanted down there and they didn't help. | ||
| And this is still going on, Steve. | ||
| I'm the one, we are the ones that have appealed her case to be governor. | ||
| We're not giving up yet. She is the rightful governor of Arizona. | ||
| If you don't fix the election platforms, It's over. | ||
| We have been doing this for two years now. | ||
| She says, well, we can finally get involved in election integrity. | ||
| You collected $80 million in 2020 at the end of 2020 saying that's exactly what you're going to do, and you never spent it on that. | ||
| So all the things within the RNC, you can streamline costs. | ||
| I do that all day long as a CEO. I'll fix all that right away. | ||
| But one of the things I'm two years ahead of her and Harmeet is I've been working with the grassroots. | ||
| We've been working to fix this country's election This is what has to be done, and we're well on our way, and we need the RNC to get behind these things that are gonna get the candidates out there. | ||
| I'll be able to look, I'm gonna bring trust back to the RNC, Steve, to look a donor in the eye and say, put money here and it's not. | ||
| Yeah, but this is central point. | ||
| Unity is a false narrative because Robeson didn't support her because Robeson does not believe in what Carrie Lake and Carrie Lake's people believe that support her. | ||
| You've got to expand that base out of working class and middle class people that are out there. | ||
| You've just got to take the mess to him. Robeson represents the business and real estate interests of Arizona. | ||
| So does Doug Ducey. They're not going to support you. | ||
| Doug Ducey never endorsed her, I don't think. | ||
| They don't stand for what we stand for. | ||
| This is this thing of unity. | ||
| Unity is a false, is a mirage. | ||
| Because the coalition is, in the Cold War under Reagan, you could do it. | ||
| It doesn't exist today because you have a populist nationalist, America first, that is Trump and the Trump movement, that is just diametrically opposed. | ||
| So Mike Lindell, how do you, why would your victory at the RNC be anything but a total disaster then, sir? No, it'd be the biggest uniting of the RNC ever. | ||
| What's not united, you brought it up and Rana never answered the question. | ||
| You brought up your Charlie Kirks and everyone else out there that has a problem with the current leadership at the RNC. Steve, these are all the grassroots, these are the people of this country. | ||
| The people, if you did a poll, Rana's getting 1%. | ||
| Not even some of them in the negative or I mean less than one percent. | ||
| I mean this is what we are you we have to unite now from the bottom up. | ||
| Just like what they tried to do in South Dakota where they were gonna take away the voice down we finally have at the precinct committeeman level. | ||
| And thank the Lord that we got involved and we got that so it was stopped. | ||
| But this is the uniting. | ||
| I will unite this party like never before because you're starting from the bottom up. | ||
| And you know what? You guys at the top, you better come on board or you know what? | ||
| You're outnumbered. This is it. | ||
| We have to come together. | ||
| But it's in a different way. | ||
| You need a different input to get a different output, Steve. | ||
| It's five failures in a row. | ||
| This is a critical time in our country. | ||
| I want to track Carmeet and the others and you down. | ||
| I get a bounce now. What's the social media? | ||
| How do people find out about this specifically? | ||
| You running, not your other stuff, you running for RNC Chair. | ||
| Where do they go? You can go to MikeRNC.com, right? | ||
| MikeRNC.com. You can check it out there. | ||
| It's a video I did for the thing. | ||
| You can go to Getter. You can go to TrueSocial. | ||
| You can go to... I'm on every social media platform, but you can go to Frank Speech. | ||
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Get there. Okay, brother. | |
| We'll track you down this afternoon. | ||
| Mike, thank you for carving time out. | ||
| We're going to West Virginia next. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Mack. | |
| Okay, welcome back. | ||
| We're going to finish at the March for Life movie. | ||
| We're going to do coverage all day long with America's Voice. | ||
| I've got to go to West Virginia, though. | ||
| Attorney General Morrissey. Start two things. | ||
| Manchin and Davos. | ||
| And quite frankly, the other... | ||
| I don't get... West by God, Virginia is Trump country. | ||
| And I don't understand how you have a senator there that is voting as a collaboration, is voting for Mitch McConnell all the time, voting to just give unlimited amount of money to Joe Biden and all these disastrous programs he has. | ||
| So Attorney General Morrissey, you've done such an amazing job on fentanyl, opioids, all of it. | ||
| I got to ask you, what is the problem with the Senate representation in West Virginia? | ||
| It should be two hardcore Trump folks. | ||
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What's going on, sir? Look, we need to have all of our federal representatives moving in the same direction. | |
| We know that it is a very big Trump state. | ||
| I think the America First agenda is alive and well here in West Virginia. | ||
| But I think the broader point is you have a number of us that are fighting to dismantle the administrative state. | ||
| You guys know what I did. West Virginia, the EPA, the team approached. | ||
| We used 23 states, biggest win against the swamp in decades. | ||
| And then you see the Inflation Reduction Act. | ||
| You see the omnibus bill. | ||
| You see all these bills move in the opposite direction. | ||
| There is a way to take on the swamp and win. | ||
| But to do so, you have to be rock-ribbed in these red states. | ||
| We know that every state is not West Virginia. | ||
| There's some purple states where folks might struggle to get some of the votes. | ||
| But in West Virginia, we can elect strong conservatives to public office. | ||
| And I think you're going to see more of that in 24 and beyond. | ||
| So how does that happen? By the way, your lawsuit, I said this at the time with Mike Davis, who was a clerk for Gorsuch, and we're doing the March for Life wall to wall. | ||
| I think in history, when they look back, your victory... | ||
| At the Supreme Court will be the bigger case than even the right to life because you took it to the heart of the administrative state, and this is the leviathan that we've got to take apart. | ||
| That's what this whole debt ceiling thing's about. | ||
| This is what the weaponization of government is all about. | ||
| It all comes off you one. | ||
| So how does West Virginia have Joe Manchin? | ||
| Joe Manchin's over there. He's saying a few things to the Europeans, but he's behind the scenes. | ||
| He's a globalist. He's behind the scenes there cutting his new deals. | ||
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How does West Virginia have guys like Manchin and the Republican, who I won't mention, who's a collaborationist, sir? Look, when I saw Manchin overseas, I said he's not representing West Virginia values, and we need to make sure that There are people that are standing up for conservative principles. | |
| I know that when I see Joe Manchin talking about one of the problems we have is First Amendment free speech, I roll my eyes and think, what the heck's going on? | ||
| Just a year ago, we were all trying to root for him because we thought that at least among the Democrats, he wasn't Bernie, he wasn't Elizabeth Warren, but he's not voting in West Virginia interest. | ||
| I want to make sure we have a group of people doing that. | ||
| Remember, the key thing is this is a long-term process to dismantle the administrative state, which has grown to epic proportions. | ||
| And I think West Virginia EPA takes a big bite out of it because it prevents the bureaucrats from reinventing Statutory language to allow them to unilaterally grow without Congress approval. | ||
| That's significant. | ||
| And I think if Congress focuses on that, we can actually use West Virginia of EPA as kind of the cornerstone to reduce the size and scope of government. | ||
| Let me also say, though, the Dobbs case was huge. | ||
| We have to protect innocent life, and I commend the Mississippi Attorney General for all the work she did. | ||
| We helped her a lot in that, but I do have a lot of pride for West Virginia for EPA. It's a huge case, and we're going to be building on that, whatever position I'm in, in the next few years. | ||
| Oh, no. Dobbs, what happened, and I tell people, when you move on something, watch Morrissey, because he's a serious guy. | ||
| Last thing, we only got about a minute and a half. | ||
| I got to ask you about your move to make fentanyl a weapon of mass destruction. | ||
| Take a minute and give us that, sir. | ||
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Absolutely. So, Steve, you know that between the ages of 18 and 46, number one cause of death is fentanyl. | |
| And you also know that West Virginia has been the epicenter of the opioid crisis and also of the fentanyl problem. | ||
| And when I go after border issues, That best manifests itself through the volume of fentanyl that's flooding up through the border into the heartlands up to West Virginia. | ||
| So I've been pushing back with a lot of my AG colleagues and saying, look, the feds need to do a lot more in three key areas. | ||
| One, Garland needs to prosecute a heck of a lot more. | ||
| He's not doing it. That's number one. | ||
| Two, we need to get Secretary of State Blinken We need to have him engage with China and Mexico because a lot of this is avoidable. | ||
| If you go back to April of 2019, the Trump administration was engaging China to push back on the illicit fentanyl coming into the U.S. Then the administration changes. | ||
| We got nothing, not a zip. | ||
| And then, of course, finally, I think we need to denote that fentanyl is so dangerous. | ||
| It should be a weapon of mass destruction. | ||
| That gets the resources and the attention it deserves. | ||
| And I would go further. | ||
| If we had more time, I could talk about some of the work that the AGs are doing, looking at the financial ties that these drug cartels have here in the U.S. It's insidious. | ||
| It needs to stop. | ||
| And we need people that are willing to speak out about it and do something about it. | ||
| We're going to have you back on. | ||
| Attorney General Pat Morrissey, how do people get to you? | ||
| Social media, website, how do people find out more about you, sir? | ||
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People should go to teammorrissey.com, two R's one S, and I will just note, Steve, that I'm very seriously looking. | |
| at a run in 2024 for governor or for Senate. | ||
| You know that we barely lost last time as the swamp invaded with so much money. | ||
| Here's the good news. We're going to be much better prepared. | ||
| You'll learn lessons from past battles. | ||
| We've done incredible work in the AG's office in recent years. | ||
| If you like what you hear, go to TeamMorrissey.com because there probably won't be another candidate with a record of conservative accomplishment that runs this year for higher office. | ||
| I ask you to take a look. | ||
| And we can do some great things together. | ||
| Attorney General Morrissey, thank you. | ||
| We're going to get everybody in the posse. | ||
| Go take a look right now. Thank you, sir. | ||
| Thank you. West Byte, Virginia. | ||
| Let's go to Mo Bannon. You're going to be up on Getter today, a Real America's Voice. | ||
| Tell people where to get you for your coverage. | ||
| You're going to be back up here at 5 o'clock with us. | ||
| Tell us where to go. They can follow me on Getter at Maureen underscore Bannon and I will be going live throughout the march. | ||
| Right now we're about to start the rally before the March for Life and then the March for Life and then Father Pavone and Priest for Life will be doing the Silent No More where you will have women and families that have been affected by abortion speaking out on the steps of the Supreme Court. | ||
| But there are so many people here from across the country. | ||
| Morale is high. People are here to speak for those who can't speak for themselves. | ||
| Fantastic. We're going to be coming into, I'll be joining you on Getter. | ||
| Also, Real America's Voice, Charlie Kirk's up. | ||
| Wall-to-wall coverage from the War Room back at 5 o'clock. | ||
| We're going to have some of the people leading this march. | ||
| Mo Banner will be with us. | ||
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Also, Charlie Kirk next, Charlie Kirk Show, Real America's Voice. | |
| Stick there. Get to Mo on Getter. | ||
| I'll be up on Getter also. | ||
| See you back here. See you on Getter. |
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