Jan. 6, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
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Because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| President Trump got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
|
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MAGA Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
|
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | |
| We cover this with this, ah, when's it gonna end? | ||
| And we, you know, exhale when there are signs of... There's 20 people who are in charge, and no one should have any sort of... The people that are in charge are the insurrectionists, the alleged child sex trafficker, the wax, the kooks, and Marjorie Taylor Greene. | ||
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They're in charge, and they don't want it to end, so it won't. | |
| What do we do about that? | ||
| Yeah, Nicole, they are, and understand, they've been trying for a long time to be in charge, and so they're not going to let it go easily, because as soon as they let this moment go, in regular order, they just, even with some of these concessions, they still aren't going to have the same control. | ||
| A French philosopher said, in the face of an impossible or an immovable object, stubbornness is stupid. | ||
| And that is being tested by both sides right now. | ||
| Kevin McCarthy today needed to demonstrate that he could move voters, and he couldn't, right? | ||
| So now the question is, where do we go from here? | ||
| In that group, in that 20 or 21, there really are two factions, if you will. | ||
| There are those that are willing to consider moving towards Kevin, And there are those who absolutely will not. | ||
| And trust, as Garrett said, is one of the biggest currencies in this. | ||
| In the Never Kevin, the true Never Kevin crowd, the issue is trust. | ||
| There is no concession that you could give them because they don't trust Kevin will come through with it. | ||
| So Kevin's option right now is to show that he can move people. | ||
| And maybe he can move a few, but he can't move five or six of them. | ||
| And then the option for the true Never Kevins is to put up your numbers and to show us who is the coalition of Never Kevins. | ||
| Because if you truly have five that say we're not moving, Bovert, Big, Gates, Good, maybe Gosar, if that's it, you take the blood oath and you say we are not moving? | ||
| The power dynamic shifts. | ||
| One of them has to shift this power dynamic right now. | ||
| They both have an opportunity. | ||
| The question is who can go first. | ||
| Here's the solution. | ||
| Do you want to compromise in a coalition and to get the people paid and get on with the business and set up the committees? | ||
| How about this? | ||
| 100 days to save America. | ||
| And in that 100 days, Donald J. Trump will be voted tonight or tomorrow to be Speaker of the House. | ||
| And the Republicans say we're going to do it for 100 days. | ||
| And in the 100 days, you get everything set up, all the investigations set up, and Trump begins the negotiations now. | ||
| Not when they're running out of money. | ||
| They said, oh, the crisis is going to hit us in the summer or fall. | ||
| Well, that's where they're out of cash, and they can put the gun to your head. | ||
| We're out of cash! | ||
| The full faith and credit guy do it now. | ||
| Let's start it now. | ||
| We know what this is about. | ||
| You're not going to hide anymore, and you're not going to lie anymore, and you're not going to spin anymore. | ||
| And if you want somebody in the room, That understands how to do these types of negotiations. | ||
| His entire professional career is doing that. | ||
| It's Donald J. Trump. | ||
| 100 days. | ||
| Let's get him in the room. | ||
| And let's do the debt ceiling. | ||
| Let's do all the apparel. | ||
| Let's do the spending. | ||
| Let's talk about the madness. | ||
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And let's talk about the Federal Reserve. | |
| Who knows more about money or interest rates than Donald Trump? | ||
| Right now, we're on the verge of spending a trillion dollars on interest a year. | ||
| One trillion dollars a year. | ||
| Bigger than the defense budget. | ||
| You want to talk about a national security problem? | ||
| You want to talk about running around? | ||
| We got national security. | ||
| Gotta get Kevin McCarthy right now, because this is a national security problem. | ||
| We got all those guys, the military, veterans. | ||
| I honor their service. | ||
| Honor their service. | ||
| The national security issue. | ||
| National security. | ||
| Here's the national security issue. | ||
| You're spending a trillion dollars a year, more than the defense budget, which is out of control, on interest. | ||
| That's a national security problem. | ||
| And I got a solution and tell me if I got a better solution for right now for this afternoon, give it day. | ||
| How about this a hundred days of Donald Trump? | ||
| Let's get him in the room. | ||
| You don't think their heads will blow up. | ||
| You don't think that the Senate, Oh, you can't do that. | ||
| You're going to Trump. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| You don't, you want to put it in their ear. | ||
| You want to get up in the grill. | ||
| Give me Trump for a hundred days. | ||
| You give me Trump for a hundred days and you'll start the process of sorting out this mess. | ||
| And the fact that they hate it so much is the better reason we ought to do it. | ||
|
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Gates. | |
| Trump. | ||
| Gates. | ||
| Donald John Trump Trump Gates Donald John Trump Trump Donald Trump Okay, welcome. | ||
| It's Thursday, 5 January, Year of Our Lord 2023. | ||
| What a start for a year. | ||
| Let's go to the floor. | ||
| They're actually going through the vote. | ||
| This is the 10th round. | ||
| We've already gone through 9, which gets us past the 100 years ago, 1923. | ||
| We're now into the numbers of votes that it was essentially in the pre-Civil War, the most being 133 that brought Nathaniel Banks to the speakership later, a general in the Union Army in the Civil War. | ||
| Let's go to the floor for a second, Denver. | ||
| Let's just listen in and then we'll come back. | ||
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Jeffries. | |
| Bean of Florida. | ||
| McCarthy. | ||
| Beatty. | ||
| Jeffries. | ||
| Bents. | ||
| McCarthy. | ||
| Bera. | ||
| Jeffries. | ||
| Bergman. | ||
| McCarthy. | ||
| Byer. | ||
| Jeffries. | ||
| Bice. | ||
| Bice. | ||
| Biggs. | ||
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Hearn. | |
| OK. | ||
| Andy Biggs right there, I heard his voice, voted for Hearn of Oklahoma. | ||
| I think we were the first ones the other day to be talking about Hearn. | ||
| He's voting for McCarthy. | ||
| General Donald Bacon, he's a congressman now from Nebraska. | ||
| Congressman Bacon has now gone on TV a couple times and said about how they're going to get some sort of moderates to start working with Democrats. | ||
| Brett Baer of Fox News proposed that as saying that's the way McCarthy can break this. | ||
| That's an alternative. | ||
| Said that on one of the Fox shows at noon, the one that they're sitting on the couch. | ||
| He proposed that. | ||
| We'll get to that at the bottom with Boris. | ||
| Boris will be at the bottom, or Seb Gorka next. | ||
| I want everybody to, and then he said something about, you know, the districts, we want to hear from people, we're hearing from people. | ||
| No, in the districts right now, what you're hearing is overwhelmingly, we don't want you to vote for McCarthy. | ||
| We know that. | ||
| The number is 202-225-3121. | ||
| 202-225-3121. Make sure you call and let your congressman know what you're thinking. | ||
| If you have to, get the local office number of your congressman and call his local office and let them know. | ||
| And by the way, if you support McCarthy, that's fine. | ||
| Tell him you support McCarthy. | ||
| We're not here to tell you what to think. | ||
| But we do believe it is very important for you to have your voice heard because that's one of the things. | ||
| Look, we know there's a lot of people on the fence. | ||
| On one side of this, I think David Jolly And David is a former congressman from Florida. | ||
| He's no friend of MAGA, and he's no friend of the Trump movement, but he is a... | ||
| He's a very smart guy. | ||
| And of the 20, you have two camps. | ||
| You have one that have pushed this and wanted a package to make this less central control by the Speaker. | ||
| The Speaker's taking dictatorial power, right? | ||
| And they want to break that. | ||
| And for all my constitutional conservative colleagues and friends and all that, that are particularly the people that are all over These 20 is just being the worst thing and slowing down all the people at Fox News. | ||
| Why did it take them? | ||
| to get this reform package. | ||
| This reform package is huge. | ||
| In fact, the reason McCarthy can't totally close the deal, he's got guys in his camp that are saying, you're giving too much. | ||
| Particularly on the rules committee, on some of these subcommittees, on the joint task force of the committee, the new church committee, church commission, you're giving too much. | ||
| And even some seniority in these committees is saying, I'm not prepared to give up my seniority. | ||
| His blowback, his pushback right now is giving up too much. | ||
| But why was that never mentioned by anybody? | ||
| Why did it take these 20? | ||
| And they've been vilified. | ||
| They've been vilified by people that call themselves constitutional conservatives. | ||
| Constitutional conservatives. | ||
| Why did it take them to do it? | ||
| If they just rolled over all these guys to get the pom-poms out for McCarthy, if they had just voted and done it, none of these reforms would have been made. | ||
| You would have not opened up one of the great, and Trump once again had it right, one of the great, this is a teaching moment. | ||
| You know, a lot of people are actually watching Congress for the first time, and a lot of people are under the impression it's like the House of Commons. | ||
| For those who like political debate, if you watch Question Time, it comes on, I think, weekly on BBC, BBC American. | ||
| For junkies like myself and others, you watch it, it's just incredible. | ||
| They're up and in the grill of the Prime Minister, and they're asking questions. | ||
| It's always very articulate. | ||
| The high version of the English language and also, you know, you've got the Eastenders, but it's just fantastic and it's give and take. | ||
| You've got to be on your feet. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| It's brutal, as it should be. | ||
| That's how they wanted Commons to be. | ||
| People aren't under the impression that happens in Congress every day. | ||
| I mean, Matt Rosendale, we're so proud to have Matt on here, Congressman from Eastern Montana. | ||
| We'll play that maybe in the six o'clock hour, have a little time. | ||
| He gave a speech to put Donald's name, Byron Donald's name in nomination today. | ||
| And it was a fantastic speech about how this is a teaching moment. | ||
| People think this is how it always works. | ||
| It doesn't. | ||
| All the reforms, if it had gone along with the folks who just wanted McCarthy, none of this would have been done. | ||
| So, and of course, we're not saying vote for McCarthy. | ||
| But there are people in the 20 that are thinking about this, no doubt. | ||
| They're negotiating back and forth now. | ||
| There are some of the 20. | ||
| David Jolly said there's one group that's never going to happen. | ||
| They don't trust him. | ||
| We opened the show with it about trust. | ||
| They don't trust him. | ||
| There's others that don't trust him, but think that if they can get this package, they'll open it up so much and particularly change the rules. | ||
| Remember the Speaker. | ||
| The Speaker determines what comes to the floor to be voted on. | ||
| No, you want to build the wall, you want to designate the Mexican cartels as a terrorist organization, you want to do all these things you want to do, right? | ||
| Term limits, all this. | ||
| You want to do that? | ||
| The Speaker is the one that runs the deal there. | ||
| They have really taken power away from these imperial speakers. | ||
| So for all my constitutional conservatives that are dumping on the 20, excuse me, You guys wanted to roll over and vote for McCarthy right then. | ||
| You didn't want any reforms. | ||
| You weren't reformers. | ||
| You didn't want to take the institution and break it apart. | ||
| Let me bring in Dr. Seb Gorka. | ||
| Dr. Gorka, thank you. | ||
| We've got it right there. | ||
| If, because I can't see, right, because I don't have my glasses on, if you can please tell me when we hit the magic number, right, that he'll lose the 10th round because he's going to lose it here momentarily. | ||
| Dr. Gorka, give us your assessment of where we are, sir. | ||
| I'm just massively impressed. | ||
| You're the only podcast host in America who knows what EastEnders is. | ||
| I think my Newsmax colleagues were shocked yesterday when I told them, this is what parliamentary republicism looks like. | ||
| Enough with the stinking behind closed doors deals in conference. | ||
| I couldn't give a damn about your conference. | ||
| You can't wait two days after 40 years of the GOP screwing us. | ||
| You can't wait two days. | ||
| I mean, I had a caller on my show today said, Republican voters have been Charlie Brown for 40 years. | ||
| And the Reiners have been loosely taking away the football. | ||
| Well, now it's our turn. | ||
| You can wait two days. | ||
| You can wait two weeks. | ||
| And I had Dave Brat on my show just a few moments ago, and he made this point as a former congressman, and I know he's a regular on your show. | ||
| You've got to understand The speaker is an emperor. | ||
| It's just like you said. | ||
| He gets to decide what legislation comes to the floor. | ||
| He gets to apportion the committee seats. | ||
| So hang on a second. | ||
| This isn't this excuse I keep hearing. | ||
| Oh, well, the Freedom Caucus 20 can just block any legislation they don't like. | ||
| No, not if the king is Kevin McCarthy. | ||
| So, he'll probably be speaker, but hang on. | ||
| Let me just share with you, you know, hot off the press, before I went on the air today, somebody from Mar-a-Lago, who you know but whose name will not be released, sent me the following. | ||
| Now, the Gateway Pundit, not always reliable, but there's this article from the Gateway Pundit. | ||
| It's about somebody called Steve Bannon. | ||
| Huge! | ||
| Steve Bannon calls for President Trump for Speaker, and here's the buried lead. | ||
| Reliable source says President Trump would do it. | ||
| Now, that's from Mar-a-Lago about two hours ago. | ||
| I tweeted this in response that I think is rather fun. | ||
| How about President Trump Wow. | ||
| to broker the deal for Speaker or become the Speaker on January the 6th. | ||
| Peaceful and patriotic, hashtag. | ||
| You like it? | ||
| Seb, Dr. Gorka, I'm going to now name you King of the Trolls. | ||
| Okay, hang on, hang on, hang on. | ||
| It's genius. | ||
| It's absolutely genius. | ||
| I'm gonna take a short, we're gonna take a short break, pay some bills here. | ||
| Dr. Seb Gorka is in the house. | ||
| We're gonna take a short break. | ||
| They're in the 10th round, a 10th ballot now, historical. | ||
| We've bypassed what happened 100 years ago, so we're in historical territory now. | ||
| Always with Dr. Seb Gorka in the War Room. | ||
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Here's your host Stephen K. Bannon. | |
| Dr. Gorka, welcome back. | ||
| By the way, I want to report that McCarthy has lost the 10th round. | ||
| So we're now in truly historic territory. | ||
| We are now in pre-Civil War America, essentially, about the fight here. | ||
| But this fight is for high principles. | ||
| Don't believe the chaos theory. | ||
| This is not chaos at all. | ||
| There is a process here. | ||
| Dr. Gorka, you mentioned the parliamentary, we're not a parliamentary system, but what has happened over the last couple days has been nothing short of extraordinary. | ||
| Would you agree with that? | ||
| Utterly, and in a good way. | ||
| So, you know, as I tweeted out less than 24 hours ago, and it's already got, you know, 104,000 impressions, I was shocked. | ||
| I said, I'm okay with a little bit of chaos. | ||
| How about you? | ||
| I can stand it. | ||
| If we've been through a civil war, World War I, World War II, Korea, Vietnam, 9-11, I think we can delay Congress for a couple of days because the average American, the real American that runs this country by driving the trucks, by welding the rigs, do you think they'd notice if Congress didn't function for the next six months, Steve? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Honestly? | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| No. | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| I mean, gosh, I'm so glad he walked it back. | ||
| When Newt said yesterday that the Freedom Caucus 20 have a moral right to Kevin McCarthy to vote for him. | ||
| I kind of lost it because for me, you and Newt are the best political minds in America. | ||
| And I said, Newt, what do you mean moral authority and moral right to vote for Kevin McCarthy? | ||
| The only moral right they have is to God, the U.S. | ||
| Constitution, and their constituents. | ||
| They are representing their constituents, and the math here is fascinating. | ||
| We discussed this on the show today. | ||
| Okay, out of the conference, 80% want Kevin and 20% don't, or 90 and 10, but it doesn't matter. | ||
| That's irrelevant, because if you look at Republican voters, Steve, 80% of Republican voters don't want Kevin McCarthy. | ||
| So the conference is not how we measure America, Steve. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And they're not really representing their people. | ||
| By the way, the number is 202-225-3121. | ||
| Make sure that your voice is heard. | ||
| Listen, here's the other thing. | ||
| The reforms would never have been done. | ||
|
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No. | |
| These reforms are mad. | ||
| And it's inside baseball. | ||
| People say, Steve, don't talk about it. | ||
| It's too boring. | ||
| But no, our audience loves us so much. | ||
| They're huge! | ||
| This will take away the imperial power. | ||
| The only problem I have with the Republicans on the floor right now, particularly in some of these introductory speeches, and by the way, Rosendale's is perfect, you've got to point the finger over to the Democrats. | ||
| Because you have the Democrats on TV saying, well, you're seeing our party as a party that can govern. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Pelosi had Pelosi, Boehner, Ryan, Pelosi, the imperial speakers. | ||
| That's what we're talking about. | ||
| And they're taking away the power from the imperial speaker and investing it back into the people's delegates. | ||
| That's essentially one part of what this fight's about. | ||
| The other part is that we don't trust McCarthy. | ||
| He's completely part of the cartel and we're never going to give up. | ||
| So David Jolly's right. | ||
| There are two elements to the 20. | ||
| There are, but if we just want to be totally prosaic, then we understand. | ||
| You don't need to be a rocket scientist. | ||
| You don't have to be Elon Musk to understand. | ||
| Kevin McCarthy is in the mold of Boehner and Ryan. | ||
| It's very simple. | ||
| He'd be another Boehner or Ryan. | ||
| Now, I agree with Mark Levin, not in the last few days, but he said previously, he said at Christmas time, You know, Mitch McConnell is evil, at least Kevin McCarthy isn't evil. | ||
| But what has he done in 14 years? | ||
| That's my question. | ||
| But to you, you know, you've said to me offline, you don't think that McCarthy's got the votes. | ||
| In that case, what happens? | ||
| Because I've heard, and it shocks me, people say that Scalise would be just as bad. | ||
| So what's the senior strategist's scenario, Steve? | ||
| I have a simple one because, Seb, this is about money and power right now. | ||
| If you look at every article that's coming out, but the headline in The Hill this morning is about the debt ceiling. | ||
| The debt ceiling, the spending, that is why they took the gavel away from McCarthy in the first place. | ||
| The smart globalists in the Senate, in the Democratic Party, knew what exactly was going to happen. | ||
| They know the fact that the American people are worked up and they got this kind of representation called command by negation. | ||
| The debt ceiling is what freaks them out because that continues to let them keep the credit card. | ||
| That's how we've gone from 10 trillion in debt in a few years to 30 trillion in debt. | ||
| So I think the solution to the coalition to bring it together in Republican Party and to lead the negotiation and don't wait when they say the debt ceiling is going to be well, it's going to be summer or fall. | ||
| No, that's when they're out of cash and they got a gun to your they got the shotgun to your head saying, oh, we're going to default on Treasuries. | ||
| We got to increase the debt ceiling five trillion dollars immediately. | ||
| You're going to cause a global economic crisis. | ||
| Get Trump. | ||
| Let's get his name nominated. | ||
| I think it would be quite symbolic now that you've mentioned it. | ||
| Let's vote on 6th January 2022 to make Trump the Speaker of the House. | ||
| It has a certain symmetry to it, does it not? | ||
| There's a certain poetry to it. | ||
| I think we have to start using, the War Room has to start using, hashtag patriotic and peaceful, okay? | ||
| Hashtag patriotic and peaceful. | ||
| 100 days starting tomorrow, January 6th. | ||
| So Trump has it for 100 days as a speaker. | ||
| Maybe they extend it, but 100 days, that's recommenced to. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| And what he does is he sets up, they get organized. | ||
| He sets up the investigations to make sure they're going to be real investigations and not Trey Gowdy and the Benghazi crap he's spouting over at Fox, not that crap. | ||
| He sets up real investigations, but most importantly, he immediately gets into a discussion about the appropriations process, exactly what we're going to do, a balanced budget. | ||
| You know, Russ Vogt comes in, used to be his OMB director. | ||
| He already has the tenure. | ||
| And then Trump goes, OK, in doing this, we're also going to talk, we're going to negotiate the debt ceiling right now. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And the Federal Reserve's role. | ||
| He doesn't do it all in a hundred days. | ||
| It may go longer than that. | ||
| Trump is the person, he's the uniquely skilled individual to do this. | ||
| He is the best that we have. | ||
| Here's my one caveat. | ||
| You know the man. | ||
| You worked for him, as I have. | ||
| He's not shy in retiring. | ||
| Could you imagine a Donald Trump in practice demoting himself? | ||
| Because he's gone from president to third in line for the president. | ||
| Is that feasible, knowing the man? | ||
| Hold it. | ||
| We got the motion to vacate the chair. | ||
| No, any one person. | ||
| He agrees to all the reform package. | ||
| He agrees to all the reform package. | ||
| My fear is that they ask him to stay on and people say we can't run for president. | ||
| He would step aside when he stepped down and run for president. | ||
| What a better way. | ||
| I know he wouldn't stay there for more than a couple of months. | ||
| He wouldn't stay there. | ||
| But would he do it in the first place? | ||
| Let me say this. | ||
| Let me say something else. | ||
| And Trump put this out the other day. | ||
| Think about it for a second. | ||
| Trump says, you know, this thing has been in an odd way. | ||
| He said this has actually been incredible because everybody's talking about it. | ||
| Everybody's watching it. | ||
| And as the guys stand up, they say, hey, you at home think this is like this every day, that the chamber's full. | ||
| There's nobody ever in the chamber. | ||
| It's like the British Parliament. | ||
| But here's what. | ||
| Can you imagine Trump sitting up there as speaker and he calls everybody in? | ||
| No! | ||
| It'd be the greatest television show in the world, and you know what it'd be? | ||
| It'd be debates like in Commons. | ||
| You'd have the Democrats—by the way, I love when the Democrats get up there and start banging on the table, and they're making their point of view, this is what democracy is about, and then the Republicans counter it. | ||
| Quite frankly, the American people would sit there and go, hey man, a lot of the stuff the Democrats say is plain crazy, right? | ||
| But that's what we want! | ||
| Let's have Donald Trump as Speaker, bang the gavel in, and let's once a week have all Congress come together, and let's debate these bills. | ||
| Let's do it like Commons does it. | ||
| It would be the apprentice, but with real stakes, right? | ||
| Real stakes. | ||
| It would be the apprentice with real stakes. | ||
| I mean, high stakes. | ||
| And I'm saying have a full debate. | ||
| I would love the Democrats have some incredibly smart, very smart policy, very articulate, great speakers, and the Republicans have the same thing. | ||
| Put the appropriations, put the budget, put the debt ceiling. | ||
| Let's put the invasion of the southern border. | ||
| Let's put the biggest issues out there today every week. | ||
| How do we make this happen? | ||
| I sent my tweet to Mar-a-Lago about the President coming down tomorrow. | ||
| How do we make it happen with the Hobbits? | ||
| I think, well, first of all, the Hobbits, number one, I think you can call or go and make sure Trump's speaker, it was trending, Trump's speaker on Twitter, make sure you get on your social media or make sure you call to the general number for the Trump campaign and say, hey, I think it'd be great if Trump's speaker, show your support, if you support it, If you think it's a crazy idea, say it's a crazy idea. | ||
| But it has a symmetry to it, not just that. | ||
| It has two elements. | ||
| Trump is by far the best person you want in the room to basically negotiate away from this financial crisis. | ||
| The debt ceiling, the spending, all in a big package, right? | ||
| Number one. | ||
| Number two, if the American people like what they've seen for the last couple days, if Matt Rosendale and all these folks sitting there going, we're never together, and we like hearing from the other side, and we like contested debate, and I'm always a person that says, more speech, not less. | ||
| We want these debates. | ||
| You put it on. | ||
| By the way, C-SPAN would be number one. | ||
| Would you rather watch these people going at it? | ||
| with what they believe, with Donald Trump sitting there, hang on, or watch the same crap you see every night on MSC, CNN, and yes, except for Tucker, Fox News, right? | ||
| You'd watch this non-stop. | ||
| This is perhaps the most exciting aspect of what we're talking about, because it has the potential to shatter the Kevlar-Tungsten separation between America, the American people, and the elite. | ||
| Because suddenly politics matters. | ||
| Suddenly people who live everywhere watch and get engaged in politics. | ||
| 50 years, this idea that that's DC, I have no impact on it, I'm not interested in it, it's boring, you shatter it. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| It has drama and it has personality and it has narrative. | ||
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Yes. | |
| It's not this bloodless thing, it's not all the juice sucked out of it, so you hear this thing and you're talking in congress speak, you don't know what they're talking about and you don't care, but it's so directly engaged in your life. | ||
| Seb, I know you've got to bounce, how do people get to all your content, particularly social media, because you've got to be following Seb now while this vote's going on. | ||
| I am so excited about this. | ||
| I have no idea if we have a chance, but this is super exciting. | ||
| In the meantime, I am everywhere except the fascistic YouTube, so the website is sedgawker.com. | ||
| The substack is my full name, sebastiangawker.substack.com. | ||
| We're on Truth Social, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Rumble, you name it. | ||
| Follow me, look for Seb Gawker, Sebastian Gawker, and I will be there! | ||
| I'm pumped! | ||
| This is cool. | ||
| Dr. Seb Gorka. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Honored to have you on here, sir. | ||
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God bless. | |
| Happy New Year, Steve. | ||
| Happy New Year, brother. | ||
| Dr. Seb Gorka, my deputy over there in the White House and editor at Breitbart, has become a huge content provider, generator. | ||
| Okay, we're going to take a short break. | ||
| I'm going to come back and talk more about all of this. | ||
| this. I'll get Boris Epstein in to get his thoughts next in the war room. | ||
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I'll get Boris Epstein in to get his thoughts next in the war room. | |
| Yeah, so Brett, what is the difference? | ||
| I mean, Nancy Pelosi, you can find out what's in the bill once we pass it. | ||
| I mean, she was like the honey badger of House speakers. | ||
| Can you be that if you're Kevin McCarthy now? | ||
| Can you just be bold? | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm the only one who thinks that because everyone on the couch is saying no. | ||
| You are not going to have a lot of power. | ||
| You think that John Boehner had it tough? | ||
| You think that Paul Ryan had it tough? | ||
| With a tea party or a recalcitrant wave of the party that said we're not going to do this and they stand up and block different bills. | ||
| Just wait. | ||
| Just wait when the debt ceiling battle comes down the pike. | ||
| Just wait until other controversial legislation comes down. | ||
| He will not have a lot of power, and that's what I think he was trying to protect, but he has negotiated away. | ||
| But you have Bob Good telling reporters today, I will always vote against Kevin McCarthy. | ||
| Always. | ||
| You just had Matt Gaetz vote for former President Trump. | ||
| That's one of the others. | ||
| Gaetz voted for Trump as Speaker. | ||
| So listen, there's one way that this could be solved, and that is the negotiation includes Democrats, there's some kind of thing that happens as far as what they get, I don't know what it is, but 40 of them vote present. | ||
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And then the majority to win becomes 198, and Kevin McCarthy becomes Speaker because the magic number shifts from 218 to 198. | |
| It's possible, but that means that he's giving up a lot to Democrats and that would cost him inside his car. | ||
| I mean, I can't believe they're proposing gimmicks right there. | ||
| Gimmicks that get around the power of the American people so that we can... They've taken away the power of the imperial speaker. | ||
| You know, I keep saying Nancy Pelosi ran it with an iron fist. | ||
| But Pelosi, Boehner, Ryan, Pelosi again, and now whoever's going to be. | ||
| That day's over. | ||
| This massive reform package. | ||
| And there's two sets of people. | ||
| There are people here that were just looking for reform. | ||
| There are others that are never McCarthyist, the trust issue. | ||
| And I think the never McCarthyist is more than single digit. | ||
| I think it's in the double digits. | ||
| And so right now there is breaking news. | ||
| I want to make sure everybody's up to speed on it. | ||
| This is from Jake Sherman. | ||
| Let me see if I can get this. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| New sources tell us a deal between McCarthy and his opponents is close. | ||
| Chip Roy and Patrick McHenry have been negotiating it. | ||
| All the big players are now on Tom Emmer's. | ||
| Tom Emmer is going to be the whip. | ||
| First floor office Ralph Norman says he expects an offer in writing Tonight remember Ralph Norman from South comes on the show last night I said hey if they want to make a proposal give me a you know He's a real estate guy get show me a deal also Jake Sherman a punch ball just put this up McHenry the leadership's chief negotiator Said he feels very favorable about where things are heading and the pieces, he said, are coming together. | ||
| McHenry is a very careful speaker. | ||
| He's been in and around leadership for a very long time. | ||
| I want to bring in Boris Epstein. | ||
| Boris, they talk about chaos, but there's a method to this madness and the method to the madness are twofold. | ||
| Number one, There are a number of these individuals and I would respectfully say I think the vast majority of the Republican, not just the base, but Republican voters, I would say at least 80% are in the, hey, it can't be McCarthy, right? | ||
| It's just a trust issue. | ||
| He'll negotiate everything away. | ||
| We got these really horrific negotiations coming up and you've seen how he's given up everything here just to get the job we don't want him. | ||
| Then you've got another subset of that. | ||
| That are people like Ralph Norman, like Chip Roy, the concern about the debt ceiling, you've got others that want to take away the imperial power, and I know it sounds like inside baseball, but these rules changes are massive, and speakers have never given it up. | ||
| That's why Brett Baier was saying the guy would basically be incredible, not just on the one for the motion to vacate, but for all the different changes in the rules, the committee structure, the heads of it, etc. | ||
| Give us your assessment, Boris, of where we stand. | ||
| And I do want to talk about the President Trump situation. | ||
| Let's get out of the way the housekeeping of where you think we stand as McCarthy has just lost a historic or is in the process of losing a historic 10th vote on the floor right now. | ||
| OK, I think we have trouble with Boris's. | ||
| Let's see if we can't fix Boris's audio. | ||
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Steve, I'm here, I'm here, I'm here, I'm here. | |
| Okay, you gotta take it off. | ||
| I know it's a long time since we had you on Skype, but you gotta take it off mute. | ||
| You realize how to work the technology now? | ||
| No, it wasn't the mutiny, it was the deep state that's preventing my phone connection to the War Room posse, but I'm always going to fight through that. | ||
| I'm always going to fight through and always going to be there for the posse and for War Room. | ||
| So, another historic day, a lot of movement, now appears to be some sort of deal in the works. | ||
| We'll see how that ends up. | ||
| Obviously, they're voting through it now, they're on their 10th vote. | ||
| That seems to have a similar result from the previous. | ||
| We'll see what the bottom line is. | ||
| Here's the issue, the Fox News have called this one about as right as they called the Arizona election in 2020. | ||
| This is an absolute and total disaster for them. | ||
| And this notion of, oh, let's just make a deal with the Democrats. | ||
| All you have to know about Fox News, all you've got to know about Country Club Republicans is right there. | ||
| Yeah, let's just make a deal with the Democrats and we'll be okay. | ||
| It's going to work out. | ||
| We'll just sell our country down the river. | ||
| We'll have some more omnibus-type packages. | ||
| Our kids are going to be poor. | ||
| Our grandkids are not going to have a country, but that's okay because at least everybody's going to be happy. | ||
| Absolute and total nonsense is what that is. | ||
| It is absolutely unacceptable. | ||
| for a republican controlled house for a republican majority to go make some sort of deals with the other side that is not where we are where we are expanding strong and yet we've got to elect the speaker i said it yesterday i'll say right now i hope they do come to some sort of deal with the good out of and we all move on to the to the business of investigating prosecuting pushing back against the weaponization fighting against the targeting of political opponents and yes calling back some of | ||
| the disaster spending that's happened. | ||
| I absolutely, absolutely require that. | ||
| And I think it's absolutely vital for us as a country for that to happen. | ||
| But it cannot happen through some sort of coalition or another Frankenstein-type deal where Republicans sell our country down the river to the Democrats. | ||
| Look, President Trump said something the other day that it took even me a while to catch on. | ||
| He says, hey, in all this thing, and people say it's all so awful, there's actually something great coming out of it. | ||
| And people actually watching the process, everybody's talking about it. | ||
| Then Matt Rosendale gave this talk today about, really, this has been the best civics lesson of this. | ||
| People will focus on this because nobody ever watches. | ||
| You have it up on C-SPAN or you'll have it on a short clip on MSNBC or Fox for 30 seconds of somebody sitting in an empty house. | ||
| This is more like Parliament. | ||
| The place is packed. | ||
| Think about if Trump, and this is why I'm adamant about Trump as speaker. | ||
| Number one, he's the only one that can bring everybody together in the conference, right? | ||
| Because quite frankly, I think 55% of them have been elected since his first presidential election in 16. | ||
| They are really the Republican Party that Trump made, number one. | ||
| Number two, think about if Trump, once a week, just got everybody there and we debated the biggest issues in the nation that are going to come up as bills. | ||
| The debt ceiling, the appropriations, the budget, the southern border, right? | ||
| Take it. | ||
| Ukraine. | ||
| The intensity? | ||
| It would be must-watch TV. | ||
| People like this, and this is really on something fairly arcane about the direction of the country, but in a highly technical way. | ||
| Think about if you had the juice and the drama, and particularly against so many Democrats that can sit there and trust me, they can argue their position. | ||
| Big league, right? | ||
| And so can the Republicans, but you have it right there with Trump as the speaker. | ||
| Number two, Boris, with all the massive issues, and look, why do the Murdochs have it from Fox and Friends all the way to Hannity at night? | ||
| Why are they saying the same thing? | ||
| It's gotta be McCarthy. | ||
| The Murdochs understand. | ||
| They want the deaths to be increased, right? | ||
| They're World Economic Forum, right? | ||
| They're 100% in this. | ||
| They don't want Trump around. | ||
| They don't want MAGA around. | ||
| They don't want any of that around. | ||
| They want your eyeballs to watch your show. | ||
| Then they put shiny toys out there that are not relevant. | ||
| You want Trump in the room to negotiate the big deals. | ||
| There's not going to be a bigger deal coming up. | ||
| Then the financial capital structure of the country based around the debt ceiling and that's why everybody's talking about it and every you know today on MSNBC was saying hey they can't control this how they gonna control these crazies during the debt ceiling negotiations part of what's going on behind the scenes with Ralph Norman and Chip Boyd there is going to have some element of the debt ceiling and some commitment Some commitment to do spending cuts, and that's not even what we're asking for. | ||
| Our position here at War Room, not one penny increase to the debt ceiling in anything that has to be on any debt ceiling restructuring possible has to tie to the ownership of the Federal Reserve. | ||
| Boris, is there a better individual in our nation? | ||
| To bring the conference together, to negotiate the toughest deals we have as Speaker, and also to bring people together in what would be a robust debate about the biggest issues facing the American Republic today than Donald John Trump, sir. | ||
| Well, Steve, let me say this, and it's an honor to say it to you, it's an honor to say it to the poppy, and I say this as an American citizen, not in any other role that I have. | ||
| As an American citizen, there's not a leadership position in this country that I think There's anybody better for it than President Donald J. Trump. | ||
| President Trump absolutely embodies the leadership, the ability to negotiate, to stand strong, and all you've got to do is look at his career as a businessman, and now look at his four years. | ||
| Look at the USMCA. | ||
| Look at the NAFTA. | ||
| Look at his negotiating with the Chinese. | ||
| Look at the strong tariffs he put in place. | ||
| Look at negotiating with our allies like the French on tariffs. | ||
| Bob, same with South Korea. | ||
| Look at his strong stance against Iran. | ||
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President Trump is somebody who is allied to the FBI. | |
| Don't bury the lead. What about the Abraham Accords? | ||
| That's not an easy group to negotiate with. All of them. | ||
| What about the Abraham Accords? | ||
| You just named ten big deals that he could negotiate when he's got the FBI and the CIA and the military trying to do a coup, as we now know. | ||
| Seriously. | ||
| He's negotiated historic trade deals, put China on notice. | ||
| The first deal that she had was forced to sign. | ||
| He's got NAFTA, right? | ||
| He went and did the Abraham Accords. | ||
| He got NATO to pay the 2%. | ||
| He's got a punch list a mile long. | ||
| You don't think he can't get in here and clean this mess up? | ||
| And by the way, it doesn't have to be permanent. | ||
| A hundred days, if it works, do another hundred, and then he goes out, he cleans this mess up, and then goes out and gets back on the campaign trail. | ||
| Punch a hole in my logic, brother. | ||
| Well, I'm not here to punch holes in strong logic, okay? | ||
| I can't speak for the President on this specific issue, right? | ||
| But what I will say is, looking to President Trump for leadership, looking to President Trump For guidance. | ||
| Look at President Trump for strength is exactly what this country should be doing. | ||
| And that is why we need him. | ||
| We need him to lead our country. | ||
| He's, I mean, if you look at Joe, I mean, look at pathetic, hopeless Biden today, again, referring to Kamala Harris as President Harris. | ||
| Talk about 20,000, 20,000 sets of fentanyl, which would kill pretty much the whole country. | ||
| And he's, he's always killed about a thousand people. | ||
| We have an embarrassment in the White House. | ||
| We have embarrassment in the Senate on both sides, and now we've got this debacle going on in the House. | ||
| So, yes, it is absolutely logical to be looking to President Trump for strong, tough leadership and to steer our country back to where it was under his guidance when he was President. | ||
| And I will tell you this for 1000% sure. | ||
| It is absolutely vital to the survival of the Republic, to the survival of the United States, for President Trump to walk back into the Oval Office. | ||
| No later than Jan 20, 2025. | ||
| No matter what happens between now and then. | ||
| But if you haven't cleaned up, you know, if you haven't cleaned up, think of the enormous mess we're going to have if we don't get it straightened right now. | ||
| And here's the thing. | ||
| Never McCarthy. | ||
| First off, in the numbers 202, 225, 3121, take General Bacon up on his challenge. | ||
| He said it would be overwhelmed in the districts with people that wanted McCarthy and wanted people to roll over for McCarthy. | ||
| Let your voice hear. | ||
| If you support that, It's a free country, call in and let your voice heard for Kevin McCarthy. | ||
| If not, call and give the alternative, what you think ought to happen. | ||
| Boris, can you hang on? | ||
| I know you're rushed for time, but I got a couple more questions in this regard because it's such a historic day. | ||
| It looks like McCarthy has lost in the 10th round. | ||
| And I think they're going to keep going. | ||
| I don't think they're going to let him have an adjournment. | ||
| I think they're going to keep punching out, although there's all types of types of leaks now about potential deals being done. | ||
| We're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| Boris is going to hang with us. | ||
| We're going to be back. | ||
| Maybe go a little bit live to the floor also. | ||
| Just hang in there. | ||
| You're in the war. | ||
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| Boris, I want to go, how do you think, we know they're cutting deals. | ||
| McCarthy has been forced to accept this package, it looks like he's about to be forced to accept this package to break the imperial speakership. | ||
| In your mind, has he given too much away now and lost too much respect now that he's about to lose his tenth vote on global television to be effective as Speaker of the House at all? | ||
| Has he given away too much, too? | ||
| That's a decision he's got to make. | ||
| In a lot of ways, there's no such thing as too much, because in the end, the House is a deliberative body, and depending on what this deal looks like, or what it is in the end, if it forces more deliberation, and thereby guarantees a strong stance on debt ceiling, guarantees fights against the omnibus, guarantees a fight for the border, guarantees a fight against Weaponization of law enforcement. | ||
| That's a good thing, and nobody can argue against it. | ||
| So, no. | ||
| Again, I haven't seen the details of the deal, but depending on what those are or what they look like, I think it's likely going to be heralded as a win for the MAGA Patriots out there. | ||
| What about the group? | ||
| There is a larger group in the 20 that just say, hey, it's been a breach of trust. | ||
| We reached out to this guy months ago. | ||
| He didn't do anything. | ||
| He hasn't done anything for years. | ||
| You've heard some of these dramatic speeches on the floor of the House that the way he's run even the conference has been has been as a minority leader, has been very dictatorial, hasn't had any of these reforms, and they don't trust him. | ||
| In fact, giving stuff away. | ||
| What about those people? | ||
| And David Jolly said they've taken essentially a blood oath. | ||
| If he can get part of this 20 with some sort of reform package, but he can't get the rest, how long does this go on? | ||
| They're prepared to stay here, as Kate said, until the cherry blossoms bloom, to go past 133 that Nathaniel Banks did in 18, what, 55 or 56. | ||
| What is your assessment of how this rolls forward? | ||
| Well, again, I think tonight is another big inflection point. | ||
| Last night was, and now on to tonight. | ||
| It depends on how many sign on to the deal. | ||
| If there's 10 or more who sign on to this deal, I think that's a major indication. | ||
| But again, the numbers are so tight, Steve, right? | ||
| So if you still have five, seven, eight strong holdouts, then the question is going to be, what is that next step? | ||
| and then the next step has got to be to continue working it out among Republicans and not go and do some sort of fancy deal that involves Democrats and gives an inch away to the Democrats. | ||
| Now, if the Democrats say, hey, we're just going to, we want to move forward, we've got to get something done and somehow we'll facilitate, I don't see that happening. | ||
| But if we have to give an inch to them, I think that is an absolute non-starter. | ||
| Because the reality is what they're most petrified about is the ability to continue to print money and spend money and grow the administrative state and fund all of their bizarre programs. | ||
| McCarthy, in the process, has revealed that when it comes to crunch time, he'll blink. | ||
| I mean, that's the reality of his negotiating style. | ||
| Leave aside what you think of him and his policies, but just the negotiating style. | ||
| We can't blink on the debt ceiling. | ||
| We can't blink on this next appropriation process. | ||
| We can't blink on the ability to really do the hard cuts. | ||
| And by the way, they're gonna go nuts when you start cutting. | ||
| They go nuts when you're not increasing by an increasing rate on the growth. | ||
| How can you have anybody but Trump lead that negotiation? | ||
| Because when he gets into these negotiations, he's inflexible. | ||
| That's how he got the new NAFTA. | ||
| That's how he got the Abraham Accords. | ||
| That's how he got NATO to start paying the 2%. | ||
| That's how he got the Chinese to the table when they walked away. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You need a master negotiator like Trump. | ||
| You can't compare him and McCarthy. | ||
| You just can't. | ||
| I mean, it's just so logical about he has to do this because this is where you need the leadership and you need the leadership now. | ||
| And by the way, when you do this, you do this negotiation, you're going to negotiate against all of Wall Street. | ||
| All the global corporations here in the United States, the World Economic Forum, the Chinese Communist Party, all of those guys can be aligned on the other side and say, yes, we want you to increase the debt ceiling, we just want the United States to spend and spend and spend and spend. | ||
| How do you not have a Trump-lead that negotiation, sir? | ||
| Well, here's what I will say. | ||
| Just in the last few minutes here, I think what you had, President Trump, on Truth Social, the point of the fact that he is listening to the posse, he is hearing the outreach out there, he's been On social media, President Trump putting out a pretty hilarious picture, a meme, if you will, of what may happen if Joe Biden would have to give some sort of address to the joint session with President Trump as speaker. | ||
| So I would urge everybody to take a look at President Trump's truth account. | ||
| And here's the bigger picture. | ||
| Here's what this week has proven, and to your point, Steve, that this country is yearning is absolutely desperate for real leadership. | ||
| And there's no leadership that this country has had in any recent memory on any modern history that is on the level of President Trump's leadership. | ||
| That is where we are as a country. | ||
| That is where we are as a nation. | ||
| That's where we are as a movement. | ||
| And President Trump is the only true leader of the United States of America. | ||
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| Stay strong. | ||
| God bless. | ||
| All offense. | ||
| And I'll talk to you tomorrow. | ||
| Boris, thank you very much. | ||
| Okay, we're going to take a break. | ||
| By the way, it's still down. | ||
| I think they still haven't completed the 10th round. | ||
| I don't have my glasses on, so I can't see. | ||
| I can't even see my monitor, just barely. | ||
| We do know that McCarthy didn't win, although... | ||
| The news is not what's happening on the floor. | ||
| That was to be expected. | ||
| The news is what's happening behind the scenes and they're trying to, just people should understand, they are trying to cut deals and trying to reach some rapprochement with at least the people that are looking for, the knows that are looking for a reform package and a more detailed reform package and a reform package they can count on. | ||
| Okay, so that's taking place and you got the Chip Roy's and people like that working on it. | ||
| with Patrick McHenry. | ||
| We'll probably have an update in the six o'clock hour. | ||
| Also, you got the hardcore is not going to happen. | ||
| So we'll find out what the kind of the blood oath contingent of the of what we call the 20. | ||
| No, they're not insurrectionists and they're not terrorists, Fox News. | ||
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