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Dec. 21, 2022 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 2388: Am Fest Recap: What We Learned And How To Win Moving Forward
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charlie kirk
07:15
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natalie winters
12:23
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steve bannon
13:59
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jack posobiec
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jake tapper
00:08
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steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies.
unidentified
Because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon
President Trump got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
unidentified
MAGA Media.
jake tapper
I wish, in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved!
unidentified
Guys, guess what?
But Christmas came early yesterday.
Woo!
We are going to trial.
Yeah!
Oh This is so historic, and you know what?
I couldn't have done it without you.
About a little over a day ago, I stood here on this stage and I said, please pray, not just for me, pray for our attorneys, pray for our witnesses, pray for the judge, my goodness.
You did it, and yesterday we got great news.
We're taking these bastards to trial.
It is Christmas time.
Thank you.
And we are saying Merry Christmas again.
That's right.
But!
But!
I'm a Christian.
But I'm done turning the other cheek.
**Cheering** Because now is the time for action.
Now is the time for victory.
Now is the time to take back our country.
And we're doing it.
We're taking it all back.
charlie kirk
So now when we say, hey, you know, America Fest is completed.
Make a plan.
Make a promise to yourself.
Make a challenge to yourself.
The easy thing in 2023.
Would be to complain and say, this is kind of an off year.
The necessary thing is to say, I'm going to do something in 2023.
I did not do in 2022.
And if you're looking for that place to start, that's why Turning Point exists.
Turning Point exists to fill you up, make it easier for you to do that for the resources, the training, the staffing, the programming, the messaging, all of that, because we need this movement.
And because of you, it's stronger than ever.
2022 is a complicated year, but I think we can look back and say, hey, We've been so blessed and we still are blessed to live in the greatest country ever to exist in the history of the world.
And our future is solely determined on what we do.
Let's make a decision to do something meaningful and impactful.
God bless Turning Point USA and God bless all of you.
steve bannon
Impeaching Joe Biden's too good for him.
Then we got to bring the criminal charges and send him to prison for treason and selling out this country.
Is there any doubt, is there any doubt you've gone through the laptop from hell?
Remember, it was a year later and they spent all that time with Twitter and Facebook and all of them prepping and saying, oh this is Russian disinformation.
They did, they had all of our phones tapped, they had mine, they had Rudy's, had everybody's that was working on it.
They knew what they were doing.
This is all out in the open now.
It was an open coup by Wray and Barr and the DHS, CIA and the people that work for them.
And we, all politics is performative until we get the investigations and get to the bottom of every name.
The 51 intelligence officers and everybody else that sold this country out.
All these traitors must go to prison.
All traitors must go to prison!
All traitors must go to prison!
Who is that guy?
When the Irishman gets the microphone... We're here for the board meeting upstairs of Turning Point USA.
They're questioning Charlie Kirk.
No, welcome.
It's Tuesday, 20 December, the year of our Lord 2022.
You're in the War Room.
We're honored to have... We're here at Charlie Kirk's headquarters, Turning Point USA, at the famous studio.
Charlie, thank you so much.
Natalie Winters, D. Jack Basovic, everybody.
We're here for AmFest Postgame.
Post game analysis.
We've got you only for one block.
Give us your assessment.
I gotta tell you, I've been to a lot of CPACs and CPACs is terrific.
But going to the old days when Andrew was there, there was something about this.
It felt like Lexington and Concord.
It felt like...
A ton, thousands and thousands of young people, activists.
And for the War Room Posse, they showed up, a little older element, it merged into one, and I gotta tell you, people were fired up.
charlie kirk
Yeah, I mean, it was an event unlike any other.
It was magical.
It was the largest multi-day event in the history of the conservative movement.
Now, it would have been the largest event if it wasn't for those darn MAGA rallies, but it was the largest multi-day event.
If you exclude party conventions, okay?
Because that's a special thing.
But that's a big deal.
You know, you got 11,200 people that came through there, Steve, of all ages.
And people said their lives were changed.
And people said they're going to run for school board now, state rep.
They're going to start holding people accountable, do FOIA requests.
And the magic of AmericaFest really was in the breakouts.
The breakout sessions is where I got the most feedback.
Because it was about two to three hundred people in the room.
They were to ask intimate questions.
steve bannon
Talk about the breakups.
What kind of topics did you cover and who was there covering them?
charlie kirk
How to spot a woke pastor and why to change your church if they're not preaching the gospel correctly.
And, or if they're going in that woke direction, how to run for school board, how to run for student body president if you're a student, how to start a turning point chapter.
Do you notice the word I'm using?
How.
How.
And that's really the takeaway we receive from so many people, is they feel better equipped.
So it's not just giving them the technology and giving them the equipment, but also giving them a little bit of a chance to see the people they look up to.
unidentified
These were working groups, right?
We call them breakout sessions, but what you're referring to are actually working groups where you come together, you're giving them the tools, there's a lot of interactivity, there's Q&A, and it's all how-to.
It's not just, you know, somebody selling you something in there, like a seminar.
steve bannon
Tell us about the scale of it.
You say about how.
I was stunned by not just the scale of the audience, Behind the scenes, right?
You had all these breakout rooms, you had all that.
The scale of this, 11,000 people, probably at any one time, 7,000 or 8,000 actually in space.
In the room, that's right.
Another 4,000 or 5,000 in breakout rooms.
charlie kirk
Or the exhibitor hall, right?
We had 120 exhibitors that were there.
Some for-profit businesses, non-profits, great organizations there.
Media Row itself could have been an event.
It was huge.
I mean, you probably had 500 people just showing up for a war room just to watch every morning at 8 a.m.
steve bannon
But I went to a media row to do, we pre-recorded some stuff for Jack, and I'm walking down, I go, what is this thing?
And we get to Jack's thing, and it's only halfway, it goes all the way.
charlie kirk
You turn the corner, there's another media row.
steve bannon
How many media outlets covered this?
charlie kirk
We had well over 85 in person.
steve bannon
85?
charlie kirk
And that doesn't count the online influencers, the ambassadors, so think about all the micro events that we had too.
So we had a pastor's dinner last night, had 195 pastors from across the country.
We had an Educator Summit going on simultaneously, 500 teachers from across the country, government and private school teachers.
We had our Influencer Ambassador Summit last night that Jack was there, over 120, I think 120, 150 online social media influencers, combined social media reach of over 40 to 50 million people.
We had our student breakouts, we had our high school breakouts, our college breakouts, we had our school board breakouts.
So you look at kind of every vertical that we have to try to make gains in in the conservative movement, There was specialized training across the board for that.
And then, of course, the big plenary sessions where we had the big guys, Tucker, you, Steve, Jack, you know, Laura, Ingram, the big ones.
And so they get charged up, they get the training, and also, finally, the community.
How cool was it, Steve, to hear the stories, to meet the people?
Because, Steve, you say always populism, nationalism.
That means you've got to listen to the people.
You've got to shake some hands.
You've got to hear some stories.
And I made a point of that.
I spent more time out in the hall more than any other event I've ever done.
unidentified
I've never seen you out that much.
I've been coming for a few years now, and you go through, and you're always on to this meeting, on to this thing, on to this thing.
This time you didn't do that.
You were out, you were talking to people, you were doing the show.
It was really cool to see.
charlie kirk
Yeah, I told the team, I said, hey, these people, they're in the midst of what I think is an inflation recession.
We're nice enough to buy tickets and travel across the country.
I want to spend as much time as I can with them.
steve bannon
Talk about across the country and across the world.
I was blown away.
We're sitting there doing War Room and guys are from Boston, they're from New England, they came here from Hawaii.
unidentified
Charlie, how many states?
charlie kirk
All 50 states represented.
unidentified
All 50, wow.
steve bannon
And how many countries?
charlie kirk
At least 10 countries that we know of.
unidentified
Wow.
charlie kirk
And so, I mean, there could have been more.
There was Australia, there was Italy, there was Japan, there was UK.
steve bannon
Well, guys from New Zealand, right?
unidentified
Yes.
steve bannon
Had guys from China, guys from Hong Kong.
charlie kirk
Canada, Mexico, yeah.
steve bannon
Incredible.
How long does it take to plan and get this, to actually do this, and to do it at the scale that you do it?
charlie kirk
Well, first of all, it's amazing.
This was all done by 25, 26, and 27-year-olds.
There was no professional events firm.
unidentified
Nothing?
steve bannon
You didn't hire, you didn't subcontract?
charlie kirk
We subcontracted the stage, which we, there's no way you could do that, right?
We subcontracted some of the AV, but from the event logistics to booking speakers, all that, it's all in-house.
Which is, that's unheard of, right?
steve bannon
Huge shout out for the turning point.
Thank you.
Now come on, it was just Sarah and Michelle.
charlie kirk
It's world class, right?
steve bannon
And it's seamless.
charlie kirk
Thank you.
That comes with a lot of work and precision.
unidentified
You even had Tim Pool do his show for the first time ever live.
steve bannon
And he's such a freak.
No, no, no, because you've got to go to...
Harper's Ferry, you gotta go to the compound.
I mean, he was saying you gotta do the whole thing.
Yeah, Kanye says you gotta show up, right?
He brings his roadshow to us.
unidentified
And that was seamless.
steve bannon
So you gotta show up, right?
No.
charlie kirk
He brings his roadshow to us.
steve bannon
But no, what it is- And that was seamless.
You felt like you were in the Tim Fools show.
First time ever.
You felt like you were in the Tim Fools show.
charlie kirk
First time ever in front of people.
Live audience.
But look, it's a culmination of all of our events.
Why are we able to do this?
Because we have the chapters.
Because we have the field program.
Because we have Turning Point Academy.
Because we have TPUSA Faith.
And so, if the only thing we did at Turning Point was AmericaFest, we would have made the world a better place.
That's one of hundreds of things we do.
It is the biggest.
It is the most impactful.
But it's just a little bit of a window of the machine that we've been blessed with at Turning Point USA.
steve bannon
So where do we go from here?
This is to summarize where we are, and also to fire off the football for 2023.
Really got you for a couple of minutes.
Walk us through, how's this fire off the football?
charlie kirk
So turning point action is also a big part of what we're doing.
And I mean, we're looking at 127.
On the 27th of January is the RNC vote.
And so, you know, a lot of people say, hey, Charlie, I'm not sure how to think about this.
Let's ask our audience.
So we asked our audience.
The results came today.
98% of people that attended, no, 98.3% of people that attended say that Ronna Romney should be fired.
unidentified
98.3%.
That's Richard Barris polling.
charlie kirk
That's Richard Barris, independent polling, right?
And so, the approval, disapproval, 98% of our attendees disapprove of the RNC.
And so, 127 is a big day.
And, you know, we'll see how people end up voting, but that clubby 168, I think, needs to start listening to voters.
steve bannon
How important is the apparatus of the RNC, in your mind, to turn around?
charlie kirk
I mean, it's instrumental because according to federal election code, not to bore people with, you know, federal regulations or campaign finance, the RNC can do stuff that a super PAC, a C4, and outside groups cannot do.
It can coordinate with campaigns, it can share data, it can raise money through committees, it can work with state central committees, it can do voter registration and standing with city and local governments when it comes to voter complaints.
The party itself What, like it or not, is able to raise money and share data with your desired candidate.
That's a big deal.
Super PAC can't do that.
A C4 can't do that.
And so if you don't have a functioning party, you're not going to win in 2024.
steve bannon
The poll was big because, and it broke down then for Harmeet and Mike and Rana.
But people didn't come in here predisposed.
I mean, that kind of was an organic thing.
Nobody came and campaigned and said, Rana, Rana, Rana is terrible.
charlie kirk
No, it wasn't.
And no, I mean, by the way, I'm not making this personal about Rana.
I think she's a sweet person.
She's always been very kind to me.
I'm always very clear about this.
I think she should go run for Congress in Michigan.
But if you lose, especially a Senate seat in a year that should have been a red wave, you should be fired and a new regime should come in.
steve bannon
OK, before we lose you, and by the way, the brother Posobiec is going to join Natalie Winters, myself, and Jack in the next segment.
Two Posobiecs too much.
That's how to bring Natalie.
You gotta have cover.
Real quickly, we got 90 seconds.
Pretty explosive interview yesterday with Congressman Boebert.
It caused like a huge catfight.
charlie kirk
Yeah, I love them both.
I didn't, I don't know what...
unidentified
It's still going.
charlie kirk
It's still going.
steve bannon
It's only getting worse.
charlie kirk
I deleted Twitter.
I asked a very specific question, not knowing there was any kind of a background between Boebert and MTG, saying Marjorie Taylor Greene, whom we all respect, thinks Kevin McCarthy should be speaker.
That's a fact, right?
You don't have to agree with it, and I guess I started some sort of a range war.
unidentified
My eyebrows have become kind of like an internet meme now.
Is it still going on?
It's still going.
steve bannon
It's still going.
It's picking up momentum.
unidentified
I went and popped in just now and all I see on Twitter are my eyebrows.
charlie kirk
I was accused of asking direct questions.
I said, of course, I mean, it's the Charlie Kirk show.
unidentified
Sure.
charlie kirk
I said, I want to know, are you a hard no or not?
And I just kept on asking, because I'm curious, right?
Like, where do you stand?
Gates, to his credit, was like, yeah, I'm a hard no.
I was like, well, what if you're head of appropriations?
I'm a hard no.
What if you're whip?
I'm a hard no.
I said, all right, you're a hard no.
That was it.
And I want to know where people stand.
I love Lauren Boebert.
She's terrific.
I think Marjorie Taylor is amazing.
I mean, they both speak at our events.
I'm sorry to see them fight.
steve bannon
Charlie, great event, great sub-events.
We'll be doing a lot of after-action reports for 2023.
charlie kirk
We're thankful for War Room.
It was evident they showed up in big numbers.
I think they were blessed by being there.
I think our students were blessed by their energy.
It's this great multi-generational convergence that has never happened before.
steve bannon
And I had so many people come and say, we're so glad we made a decision to come.
I mean, from all over the country, more than possible.
And at the end of all that, Charlie Kirk has got to go run to babysit you go to the middle of it i think i think i think you for having a very good for commercial break back here to recruit students for them the this is a lot of is that okay uh... welcome back I guess it was that we're gonna do this without an open this time?
unidentified
That's okay.
steve bannon
It's the War Room, baby.
unidentified
Alright.
We're here- We'll do it live!
steve bannon
We're here for postgame.
Okay, we've now- we've now traded out, uh...
Charlie Kirk.
How do we get, like, the brothers Pasovic?
How do we rate that, Kevin?
Thank you very much.
unidentified
I don't know.
It's your call, man.
Double trouble.
steve bannon
First off, I'm going to turn to Natalie here for her assessment.
In the first block, we were a little misogynist.
You're not sitting there.
You're just not eye candy.
You're the best investigative reporter in D.C.
natalie winters
I'm always working.
steve bannon
You're always working.
Here's the thing.
I had a very reflective speech to give today.
At the kind of, you know, the last speech before Charlie sums up AmFest.
unidentified
What happened to that speech?
steve bannon
Well, Jack Posobiec's up before me and Jack Posobiec goes Latin mass on me.
Jack Posobiec, talk about a high wire act without a net.
Jack Posobiec breaks out into our father, I think it was, right?
unidentified
Potter and Oster.
steve bannon
If I remember from my Alta Boy days, in Latin.
Tell me about that.
unidentified
Well, look, you know, that was because, though, Steve, it wasn't just for a gimmick of doing it, but we were doing that, we were offering it for Father Frank.
steve bannon
Yes.
unidentified
We were offering it for Father Frank, and what I said up there was, I said, look, let me tell you something about my friend Father Frank.
Father Frank is crazy.
Father Frank is nuts.
steve bannon
Why?
unidentified
Because Father Frank sees what they're doing to these unborn children.
He sees the machinations of the way that these various groups like Planned Parenthood and others work with the administration, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, these people who we are told are Catholics, and it makes him very, very upset.
And in response, what has the Vatican done?
For the man that's run The Priest for Life for 30 years, are they going after Biden?
Are they going after Pelosi?
No.
They're going after Father Frank.
And we found out today, and I'll credit Dr. Taylor Marshall with the scoop on this, that it was Pope Francis himself that signed off on this.
steve bannon
Wow.
Of course he was, that's why I said you can't debate it.
Daily Mail today has a story about the Pope's right hand, the other Jesuit, is like doing Holy Trinity threesomes.
unidentified
The Holy... right so...
Whoa!
No it's true, no it's true.
steve bannon
Whoa!
With the Jesuit artist that does the paintings with the like the pedo eyes in it, right?
I don't want to go QAnon full- Call that Balenciaga style.
unidentified
Is it the same church in Georgetown that Biden goes to?
I don't know.
steve bannon
So this is a priest who would have been defrocked.
This is a priest who would have been suspended completely.
The threesome priest.
unidentified
But with nuns.
So this is a priest who would have been defrocked.
This is a priest who would have been suspended completely, but...
steve bannon
The threesome priest.
unidentified
But, with nuns.
steve bannon
With nuns.
unidentified
But, because this priest is a Jesuit, whereas Pope Francis is our first ever Jesuit priest.
And the Jesuits, you gotta understand, these were like...
They were like the Navy SEALs of the priesthood back in the 1500s.
These guys were tough, they were intellect, they knew Aquinas.
steve bannon
They had to have a PhD to be part of it.
unidentified
They had to have a PhD.
Steve, they're the ones who founded the universities.
steve bannon
I went to Georgetown when it was still Catholic.
unidentified
You were there back when they still had slaves, right?
No, don't worry.
They sold him.
It's okay.
And Steve wasn't cut in on that deal.
You weren't on that one, right?
steve bannon
Only the Jesuits.
unidentified
No, just the Jesuits.
steve bannon
That's where they give in half the university back then.
By the way, you notice they hid that only for a hundred years.
Oh, we didn't see that?
The council didn't report that?
unidentified
It's outrageous.
What happened, though, is somewhere along the line, really in the 1960s, this order gets infiltrated, and that is where you see the most liberal pushing the LGBT agenda.
Oh, we have to welcome an inclusive church.
steve bannon
No, liberation theology.
It went totally communist back in the 60s.
And it's through the Jesuits.
unidentified
And this is where you get, this is where Pope Francis derives from.
steve bannon
He's a radical and a Latin American.
unidentified
It hasn't even congratulated his own home team on winning the World Cup yet.
Argentina wins, nothing from Pope Francis whatsoever, because the guy seems more interested in protecting his order.
jack posobiec
And I know we're going high Vatican hierarchy on this, but you have to understand that there is this Jesuit order that has become infiltrated, liberation theology comes out of South America, and then you put that into the Vatican so they'll take care of their buddies, they'll take care of their friends, whatever they're doing.
unidentified
But you've got a guy like Father Frank, you've got a guy who's standing up for the rights of the unborn.
And regardless of which church you go to, that's something that we all should agree on.
steve bannon
The Liberation Theology ties to the Frankfurt School that came over around the war.
But from the University of Paris, these great universities, they realized they couldn't sell the Europeans on this because it was too crazy an idea.
They said, oh, let's go to Central America and Latin America.
And they took the contagion.
The Jesuits took the contagion there.
I want to get you two guys in here.
Tell me about, particularly Natalie, because you're traditionally what AmFest is about, this younger generation.
What was your assessment of AmFest?
natalie winters
Well, I think the sense of camaraderie that events that Turning Point puts on really can't be overstated.
You know, I only graduated college less than a year ago.
I didn't spend a lot of time there, but there really is... I mean, I know people hear about the indoctrination attempts that goes on on campus, but it really is demoralization in the sense that... What do you mean by that?
They want kids who not even necessarily are conservative and self-identify as conservative, but people who don't buy into the mainstream narratives.
People who, you know, aren't eager to write their papers about feminism and all of these left-wing talking points.
They really, I think, capitalize and weaponize the fact that you feel ostracized and you feel alone.
It's part of growing up.
You want to belong to something.
You want to feel a part of something.
And I think that's how they get a lot of these people to kind of join the cult that is, if you want to call it liberalism, leftism, wokeism.
I mean, frankly, it's Marxism at its core.
So I think events like Turning Point, and that was sort of what I gathered from a lot of the people my age that I got to speak to, which I usually don't spend much time around people my age, was that it's Turning Point that sort of is the counter to that, right?
It's the antithesis.
It's you can still have a sense of community Really a sense of purpose, which I think people who don't buy into the BLM agenda, right?
It's a lot easier to be a young person and be on the left because your entire social calendar is already built for you, right?
You know the activities you have to get involved in.
You know the protests you have to go to.
steve bannon
And the acceptance you're going to get, both by the faculty and the administration.
natalie winters
My life would have been a lot easier, right?
steve bannon
This is what I think is surprising.
The University of Chicago is known as a bastion of the Chicago School of Economics.
It's got the politics, the Straussians.
People think of it almost as a graduate school.
You're telling me even at some place like Chicago, it's infiltrated by this social justice wokeness?
natalie winters
Exactly.
They look to, I think, the Chicago School of Economics as sort of a scarlet letter on their sleeve.
They don't appreciate it.
And there's no better example of this, not to get anecdotal, but I had rushed.
I had joined a sorority in my first week of being there, and I was actually kicked out of it for being affiliated with War Room.
I'm not kidding.
I was the crazy Bannon girl.
steve bannon
You kicked out of your sorority?
natalie winters
Yes, I did.
unidentified
How have we not heard this story before?
No, I've never told it!
How long did you make it through Rush?
The craziest part is... Did you have to do the bleach on the stairs?
natalie winters
No, so I Rushed.
I was a new member.
steve bannon
You were already in the sorority.
You're accepted.
natalie winters
So I was part of the, whatever the equivalent of the pledge class is, right?
unidentified
Right.
natalie winters
I don't even know what any of this means, because I was never a part of it.
unidentified
She has no idea.
natalie winters
So I'm in it for maximum four days, and I get an email from the chapter president, the vice president, and the national representative.
steve bannon
The national representative?
The national representative.
They already went to the lawyers involved.
natalie winters
Well, it's funny you say that.
I have to appear for a hearing because they say I'm transphobic.
Which, if anyone knows me, I mean, get me for hating the Chinese Communist Party.
Like, transphobia, that's like the least of my beat.
I barely cover that.
steve bannon
She's from LA, trust me.
That's not an issue.
Natalie has issues, but that's not an issue.
natalie winters
So I show up to this hearing and they start questioning me about my beliefs.
steve bannon
Oh, you go into a star chamber?
I never heard the story.
natalie winters
I know, it was like a skiff.
It was in the library, it was a soundproof room.
So it was a skiff, it was basically a skiff.
I show up and they start questioning me about basically what my career plans are.
If I decide to, if I want to continue working for War Room, working with Rahim and the National Pulse and what kind of stories I'd be covering.
And they very slightly, you know, suggest, because they were holding a vote on whether or not they should sanction me.
steve bannon
I'm serious.
unidentified
Sanction me.
I had been a member for four days, and I was 19 at the time.
natalie winters
And I'm sitting there, I'm like overwhelmed.
But I said to their face, I said, of course, I went off in typical Natalie Winters, you know, think how I go off on Fauci.
That was how I went off on them.
And I outlined all the reasons why what they were doing was absolutely crazy.
Of course, also The transphobia issue aside, they said we cannot support you becoming a member of this chapter because what if one of our other members of your pledge class was transgender?
How would they feel?
And I was like, only would a sorority put the needs and desires of a transgender person above a biological woman.
unidentified
You said that!
natalie winters
Of course!
Of course!
But the silver lining to the story and why, to tie it all back to Turning Point, why it's important is because I knew that I had an ecosystem back in Washington, D.C.
like War Room, like Rahim and the National Pulse and my conservative friends to support me where I was confident saying to the sorority, You know what?
I won't use the bad word that you used on Tim Pool.
But I said that to them.
I said, I don't care.
I don't need you.
By the way, your sorority sucks.
And the guys in the props are ugly, so I don't even care.
So I said, I don't want to be a part of your sorority.
Take me off your list.
I was a third generation legacy at this sorority.
steve bannon
At the sorority one?
I said, I don't want to be a part of this.
Oh, you mean your grandmother and your mother?
natalie winters
And I said, I don't want to be a part of this.
And by the way, I'm going to move to Washington, D.C.
I'm going to start working for War Room, and you're going to see me on live TV.
Walk down to there.
unidentified
So now we know the back story of the work ethic of Natalie Winter.
natalie winters
It's all really just a cat fight.
steve bannon
Yeah, it's vengeance.
OK, we're going to get back to it, because what you're telling us is that for young people, And I also think for the War on Posse.
unidentified
You have no fury.
steve bannon
Well, you're not alone.
natalie winters
It was that I had a community to go back to and something to work forward to, and knowing that if I wore my conservative values on my sleeve, I could still have a job, I could still work, because being from LA, I was told that I was a crazy person, right?
unidentified
I wouldn't have a future.
Do you want to name the sorority?
steve bannon
Delta Gamma.
Oh my god, Delta Gamma!
There we go!
unidentified
Blow him up!
Blow him up!
steve bannon
Okay, this week's version of Animal House.
unidentified
We're going to take a short commercial break.
steve bannon
Double secret probation.
We're going to be back with more stories about Delta Gamma in a moment.
unidentified
Delta Gamma winters.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bass.
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He said it, folks!
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Hold it.
Continue on the story.
We found in the break, we found in the break, we found in the break, a massive buried lead to this.
natalie winters
A very big buried lead, which is uncharacteristic.
steve bannon
The woman from National, hold it.
Wait, wait, let her say it, let her say it.
unidentified
Go ahead.
natalie winters
Okay, I also found the email that I got from them.
unidentified
Can you read it?
natalie winters
And so this, I got a lot of, there were a lot of reports, but this was the one of the person explaining how I was transphobic.
This is what she said, although I personally am not a black transgender woman, I would not feel comfortable sharing a sisterhood with someone who calls my truth clown world.
The new members referral to a black transgender woman that was calling attention to the disproportionate amount of hate crimes committed against her specific demographic as clown world was shocking.
The repeated rhetoric about transgender individuals, LGBTQ plus individuals, same sex marriage and the new members social media and journalism left me extremely uncomfortable.
I struggled how I could in good faith encourage a woman who identifies with the demographics targeted by this new member in her tweets and journalism to join our sisterhood if I knew Natalie Winters might be sitting right next to her at chapter calling her truth a clown world.
steve bannon
Are you telling me that they, hold on hang on, that Delta Gamma chapter in University of Chicago lets guys in the sorority?
natalie winters
Well, to be fair, and this is the funniest part of the whole story, so about two years after I left, all of UChicago Greek life basically disbanded because they all said it was too racist to still exist, so I was actually ahead of the curve.
steve bannon
They shut down all the sororities and fraternities?
natalie winters
It was an internal movement.
This is happening all over the country.
It wasn't like Harvard, where it was top-down, like the institution themselves saying... Hold on, did Harvard kick the fraternities and sororities all over the country?
unidentified
We should have talked about this when Charlie was here.
Turning point's been all over this.
steve bannon
Oh, I didn't even know that.
unidentified
That's a whole thing.
natalie winters
But UChicago, because even though you think UChicago writes level-headed, conservative kids... Super intellectual.
No, but it's a perfect example of the wokes kind of eating their own because they actually disbanded the sororities and But then they actually all just reformed and started this, like, new society thing.
So it's also kids can just party and drink at the core of it.
But the buried leaves, yes.
steve bannon
No, no, stop.
You're not getting off the hook that easy.
So the thing is, it's a very interesting story.
Tell me about the adult, the woman from the chapter.
unidentified
She goes, oh, you mean the Chinese woman, right?
I know.
natalie winters
You would think it's someone who studies CCP infiltration.
steve bannon
I would always... Do you have a Confucius Institute of Chicago?
natalie winters
So UChicago, well, there are no Confucius Institutes anymore because they got rid of them.
steve bannon
Because Natalie Winters blew them up.
natalie winters
Thanks to DG, right?
So the joke's on them because they actually created their own worst enemy.
But UChicago is probably one of the worst offenders when it comes to Chinese Communist Party cash influxes and these kind of propaganda operations.
The China United States Exchange Foundation, which is one of these groups that I've heard Always railing about, right?
It's evil, evil, evil.
steve bannon
I mean, they're in your face.
They don't try to hide it like Confucius Institute.
They're in your girl.
natalie winters
Yeah, they're part of Beijing's political warfare department through and through.
And UChicago still routinely collaborates with them.
I think they just held a summit with them on, like, climate change or something.
unidentified
I love the backstory, though.
The origin story of Natalie Winters is that a suspected CCP agent tried to kick her Did kick her out of the sorority.
steve bannon
Essentially kicks her out.
unidentified
The same one that her mother and her grandmother had been in.
steve bannon
Not good enough.
unidentified
Which sets her off on a crusade against the Chinese Communist Party to which she continues.
She gets the Confucius Institute shut down nationwide.
Maybe I'm secretly behind all this.
steve bannon
I'm glad the War Room has comic book rights to that, right?
unidentified
This is amazing!
steve bannon
It's a great story.
natalie winters
It really is.
But I stand by what I said in that for young people, even though I wish everyone could be courageous and the whole thing, but it's really hard when you're, I was 19 at the time, to go against the grain entirely and know that when I walked out of that skiff, I was gonna be known as the crazy bandit girl, which to me was like the best nickname ever.
But to everyone else, I was the crazy neo-Nazi that could never get into the parties, that wouldn't have a social life, that all my professors would know that, you know, she's the crazy right-wing girl.
And that's why groups like Turning Point are so important.
steve bannon
No, but here's the other thing, too.
We noticed in doing the show and having people come up afterwards, there were even a lot of high school students there.
The pressure... Wait, wait, wait.
unidentified
Actually, I know this.
steve bannon
Add on this.
In high school, it's just as bad.
unidentified
There are more... There are now more Turning Point high school chapters than there are college chapters.
steve bannon
This is important for the folks at home.
It's so great we had the older demographic.
We had done the Great Reset with Charlie and the guys, the team, about five or six months ago and had great turnout.
The outpouring of the warm, the older demographic.
unidentified
This was the first multi-generational Turning Point event that we've seen.
And Kevin, you've been going to Turning Point, you've been coming a few years now, but this was the first one that was really, you know, multi-generational.
You had older, younger... It was great.
A lot of parents, families, students.
I mean, we always bring the whole family and the kids, but yeah.
But it's usually just us.
steve bannon
Which I think is fair.
unidentified
It's usually just us.
But yeah, they followed your lead pretty much.
So I saw, like, a bunch of the other ambassadors' parents that I'd never seen before.
steve bannon
I think it's great.
unidentified
Different parents.
Different from Sass from the Student Action Summit.
No, this has really become something that you can't even compare it to anything else because there's nothing quite like what... We're going to have to be comparing things to AmericaFest now.
natalie winters
I also think what's so amazing is someone who was sort of loose.
I'd never been to a Turning Point event before, but I remember when I was in high school.
unidentified
This was not your first event.
natalie winters
This was my first Turning Point event.
unidentified
Wow.
No!
natalie winters
I know!
unidentified
And yours too, right?
With the exception of Great Reset.
But the first main Turning Point event.
Wow.
natalie winters
And nothing against organizations like Young Americans for Freedom, but it's just really interesting to see that among the younger kind of group, At least who are attending this, that the populist movement is alive and well.
Because it's not just talking about tax cuts.
It's not just the idea that, oh, well, kids become conservative once they start paying taxes.
unidentified
No.
natalie winters
Not at all.
I mean, I talk to kids my age.
I'm like, I'm going to get replaced as the co-host of Worm.
There's so much talent out there.
These kids really understand the issue.
unidentified
Talk to us about that.
steve bannon
What do you mean by that?
natalie winters
Well, I just think that, you know, I think young conservatives have always been better informed because the narratives that they're sharing go against the mainstream, so you have to be able to disprove, right?
You're sort of formed as the antithesis to what the mainstream is, so inherently you're just going to know the facts, because you have to, because you're always on your heels, you're always on your toes, you're always getting pressed, right?
Everyone in your class, I know how it was, was always asking you, Well, why do you believe this?
What's the statistic on that?
So, I know how these kids are so well-informed, but they're really passionate about issues that don't even necessarily impact them.
You know, whether it's, I think, issues like education for younger kids, right?
Like the groomer issues and the sort of sexualization of children.
These kids are really up to date.
steve bannon
Did she say groomers?
There she is.
I know, I know.
Deltagamma, you picked it out, right?
What a hater.
natalie winters
I know, so transphobic of me.
But just from all these issues, they don't just approach it from the sort of old Reagan standpoint.
They approach it with the action, action, action mentality.
They want to get involved.
I mean, I was blown away because I'm sort of, not that I'm a pessimistic person, but I always look at sometimes events like these as not a waste of resources because it's important for the camaraderie, but I love to see what comes after them, right?
It's about the action on the other side of things.
unidentified
I'm going to say something that Charlie would not have said when he was here, and it's something that Turning Point does, that if you go and look when they sell the tickets on there, if you notice the student prices Are much, much cheaper than the adult prices.
And when the students come in, they're offered, if they're Turning Point members, they get offered a stipend for their hotel, sometimes even their travel.
So when you look at Turning Point, and this is not me doing a pitch because they don't even usually talk about this.
Charlie doesn't talk about it as much.
They actually take the donor money that comes in and they invest it in the kids.
They let them come to the events.
I've never seen any other organization that does this at that scale.
And so it puts it... this didn't exist when I was coming up, when I was...
Going to college, nothing like this.
It never existed.
steve bannon
Somebody I came out here with was talking about he had twins.
And there are two colleges in the Midwest which you would think are just standard stock, middle-of-the-road colleges.
Not radical at all.
Kind of that good Midwestern where you want to send your kids.
Both of them are conservatives.
And they say that they absolutely dialed down what they're doing.
Both of them are in communication at different schools.
They dialed down their papers.
They dialed down class participation.
They dialed it all down.
And don't come forward to being true conservatives, what they really are.
Because the teachers, right out of the box, it's a C. Right?
Is that pressure in high school?
You went to one of the top prep schools in the country.
It was supposed to be so enlightened.
Is that pressure in high school and in college, is that real?
natalie winters
Oh, 100%.
I had a teacher who had purple hair, like the whole trope of the like, you know, non-binary left-wing professor.
And I was, this was back in 2016 when Trump was running, so I think I would have been in 10th grade.
And she, this is serious, she threatened to beat me up because I went on a podcast at the time.
steve bannon
Her origin story gets better.
natalie winters
Now you understand why I am the way I am.
unidentified
This is not the show we had planned at all, by the way.
steve bannon
Did you see what you unleashed?
unidentified
Charlie's going to be like, what did you guys do back when I left?
steve bannon
A teacher threatened to beat up a student?
natalie winters
Me?
Yes, I'm serious.
unidentified
They threatened to beat me up.
steve bannon
Was it something you said in class?
Was it a paper?
unidentified
No, no.
natalie winters
So I was always pushing my high school to be more open to political discourse because their new initiative was diversity, equity, and inclusion, but it really only meant of skin color, right?
It wasn't ideological.
So I sort of used their own words against them.
I was always talking to the administration, like, you tell us every day you've made the new motto of the school diversity.
Yet if I say anything that is remotely right-wing, I'm ostracized and castigated as this crazy Nazi.
So I said, why don't we bring in a conservative speaker, for example, to an assembly?
Because they literally brought in a communist one time to come and address the entire student body.
I'm serious.
Who did you want to bring?
So I was a Ben Shapiro fan back in the day, so I think it was, funnily enough, it actually turned out to be Hugh Hewitt that came, someone from YAF.
steve bannon
Boy, that's a radical.
The funniest part?
unidentified
Pulling the paint off the walls there.
natalie winters
So then, after he spoke, Andy Pudster, the guy who... The nicest guy, right?
unidentified
Like, so not toxic.
The nicest guy, right? Like, so not toxic.
steve bannon
He runs the, like, the food chains.
natalie winters
People walked out of his speech.
steve bannon
You're kidding me.
natalie winters
They called him a Nazi.
They got up in the middle.
It was like the whole dramatic ante... High school kids.
Yeah, the high school kids.
High school kids.
A lot of them have now since become transgender, and I'll leave it at that.
So my point is, I was talking to the administration.
I was like, everything you're doing is so hypocritical because you're telling me diversity is so important, yet I'm like...
I'm being cast as this crazy person because I'm just not a far-left Democrat.
So what the issue was, was that they started kind of replacing the old guard of teachers at my school, and frankly, the people who are overseeing administration and admissions, with these really, really far-left people.
So the kind of institutional culture of the school changed.
And unfortunately, I think that's what we're talking about at these Midwestern schools because it's, you know, the tale as old as time.
unidentified
To be a professor, to be even a teacher in high school now, you have to get your master's degree from one of these teaching institutions.
This is state law all across the country and they indoctrinate the teachers even worse into wokeness and then they go in.
steve bannon
Let's take a commercial break.
Take a short commercial break.
By the way, you know what they said out there at Harvard Westlake?
They said, if we don't get this kid right, she's going to end up being working for Bannon and Warburg.
She's already wearing the Trump the MAGA hat, right?
The little MAGA beret.
The MAGA beret.
Short commercial break.
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Okay, we'll be back.
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Kevin, give us your assessment of Amfest.
unidentified
Well, thanks.
I appreciate being on here.
It's an honor to be here.
I do not have a frat story myself, like Miss Winter's here.
But yeah, it's one of the most inspiring environments I've ever been in.
I'm literally in Charlie's chair, and he's like, still warm.
I think he was so fired up from the weekend.
Yeah, like, being that he never went to college, and uh... In fact, he's got the college scam right here.
Yeah, he's got the college scam right here, but he's able to create these events, and I think it's like, almost like a fraternity or sorority that people can come to join, like college students, the new media, the younger generation coming in.
That's a great point, because it's a network.
Yes.
And you can come here.
I wish I had.
I mean, I went to Penn State, but you went to Temple down in the city, so like... It was rough.
But you made your own group.
Watch out walking around to the door.
Because one of the things in the debates between Trump and Biden, the one question was like, Say one thing that was good about the other side.
Remember that?
I forget which one it was, but Trump said... Yeah, I remember that.
...that the left binds together always.
At the end of the day, they're always united.
They don't, like, pick at each other.
They don't have any petty stuff.
It's always resolved.
steve bannon
Well, they control the institutions.
It's easier, I think, for them actually to bind together because they control the apparatus, right?
They can hand out, you know, all the benefits of that, right?
The tenure they can hand out.
I mean, when you're at these college campuses and you're a conservative, more importantly a populist nationalist, are part of the Trump movement, I mean, they look at you...
You know, you're just not a Republican, right?
You're something that's a Nazi, a white nationalist, you're something dangerous.
Republicans and all that, even the Young Americans for Freedom, that's always been controlled opposition.
You're not controlled opposition.
You're uncontrolled opposition.
I think that may be the difference of why it's such a virulent hatred, right, of the MAGA movement in our institutions, particularly college campuses.
unidentified
That's why we come to AmFest, and we see each other as we are, as patriots, or Christians, or what have you, and we can come together as we are, you know?
Wait, Kevin, I'm gonna throw something out there, too, because you're not even saying it, because, Kevin, you and Taylor Marshall were leading something at 7 p.m.
every single day of AmFest, right in the back, because, Steve, I come around the corner, And what do I see?
Going out there being salty.
I saw 50 to 60 men and women around the course of what's going on over there on their knees.
steve bannon
Wow.
unidentified
Right in the back, in a circle.
What were you doing back there, Kev?
We were playing the rosary.
We livestreamed the first night.
Wow.
And we gathered together our little prayer cards.
I have an old St.
Joseph prayer card.
This thing's ancient.
It's been in my wallet for like a decade.
But we assembled them on a chair, you know, just like they do in battlefields.
You know, we pray where we're at.
They're doing battle rosaries back there, Steve.
steve bannon
Every night at 7 you were praying the rosary?
unidentified
Every night at 7.
For Father Pavone and other special intentions of the week, yep.
And there's no protesting, like you could get together.
I got a lot of followers from that, a lot of new connections, other Catholic people.
steve bannon
Do young people, I know older people do, but do young people, I'll go Kevin first and then Natalie, do young people see this as a spiritual war?
unidentified
Yes and no.
I mean, the younger generation needs to be taught still that there is a spiritual world.
I mean, if you believe in the devil, you know, if you believe in God, you have to believe in the devil.
Of course.
You know, there's always evil forces at play.
But spiritual demons, that realm is real.
steve bannon
Do you think the younger generation thinks of spiritual warfare like we do?
natalie winters
I think we're getting to that point.
A lot of the young people that I spoke with this past week really were using the talking points of the war room and I think see it through that lens because it is good versus evil.
And I think for people who are sort of opposed to these type of conferences and think it's a waste of time, you're training the next generation of leaders.
And in a spiritual war, in political warfare, in any form of warfare, information warfare, you need leaders.
You need the people to be invigorated and want to fight and in the fight and in it wholeheartedly.
And I think there's a spiritual element to that too, but you also need to have hope.
And I think it's events like these that give people hope.
unidentified
Absolutely.
And Kevin, not to steal your thunder, but so Steve, Kevin goes to traditional Latin Mass every week, but he also joins groups, and every time when he's traveling, he'll find another one.
And Kevin, let me ask you something.
When you're looking at the age demographics in those Latin Masses that you go to, are we talking older or are we talking younger?
We're talking younger.
Younger.
A lot of younger crowd.
steve bannon
People thirst for it.
unidentified
Absolutely.
The young adults group as well.
It's exploding.
That was another, I guess, alternative to sororities and fraternities is young adults groups.
And with social media, that's one of the pros of it.
You can connect with so many people nowadays.
It's amazing.
Be it a WhatsApp group, group chat, like there's so much opportunity.
You've got the women wearing the veils, you've got the young families, the young kids.
What do you say about the uh...
The Trooper St. George What do you say about the uh...
What do you say about the babies crying?
I'm the voice of the one in the desert.
Right, we know you had that line before.
Wait, what was?
The line you said about a church.
John the Baptist?
No, when you hear the babies crying, you know you've got a church.
Oh, if you ain't crying, it's dying.
If you ain't crying, the church ain't crying, it's dying.
steve bannon
Before we go, by the way, we're going to do more of the assessment tomorrow since we told so many great stories.
But no, pull yourself out of the story, University of Chicago.
As a third-party observer, That was evil what they did to that young girl, which would be you, right?
That was pure evil to try to crush her spirit of actually thinking a different way.
natalie winters
A calculated attempt to tell me that I'm not allowed to go against the way that they think, or I won't have a social life, I won't have an academic career, and I won't have a career, was get in line, shut up, sit down, you're not gonna save this country, submit to what we believe.
unidentified
Struggle session.
natalie winters
Exactly, that's exactly what it was, a Stalinist show trial.
steve bannon
Wow.
unidentified
Okay.
steve bannon
We just saw one there at J6.
Okay.
I want to thank everybody.
We had a great time here.
I want to thank Charlie and the entire crew.
Thank the entire production crew here for letting us do the afternoon award room here.
We're going to be back tomorrow at 10 o'clock.
Natalie Winters will be dialed in as my co-host.
Thank you guys.
I want to thank the Brothers Pasovic.
Kevin, thank you so much.
Thank you, sir.
unidentified
If we don't see you, by the way, if we don't see you, Merry Christmas.
steve bannon
Merry Christmas.
We'll talk between now and then.
unidentified
We'll talk.
steve bannon
Merry Christmas, yes.
By the way, War Room's going to be live every day leading up to Christmas Eve.
We're going to be live every day next week.
So, War Room, no days off, okay?
Thank you, Natalie.
Thank you for everything.
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