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Oct. 28, 2022 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 2263: Fighting Back Against Social Indoctrination
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Dylan Does Dating!
Oh my god.
So tonight I went to a bar and guess what?
Booby Drumroll.
A boy asked for my number.
And not in a like, let's be friends kind of way.
It was like a, I probably want to kiss you kind of way.
And did I give it to him?
No, I did not.
Because it seemed like he had had a few too many drinks.
You know what I mean?
And I was like, I will give you my Instagram though.
So he gives me his phone, and as I'm typing it in, his bro-ish type friend walks up to us.
And I was like, oh my god, he's about to run for the hills.
You know, pretend that he doesn't know me.
It's about to be so embarrassing for like both of us.
But he says to his friend, this is Dylan.
She's really chill.
I was like, oh, yeah, I am chill.
So that was really lovely.
And do I think this is gonna be the love of my life?
No, but it is nice to get a little attention sometimes, am I right?
And I still have not had my first kiss as a girl, which at this point, I'm like, do I?
It's day 222 of being a girl.
I'm in Washington, D.C., and I'm going to the White House to speak to the President of the United States.
You know that phrase, I fear I may have girlbossed too close to the sun, Well, that's how I feel today, because I get to sit down with Joe Biden, and now this news, and I get to ask him a few questions surrounding trans issues in the United States, and talk to him about my transness, and I really just want to represent my community the best that I can.
And you know what?
As silly as I am on here, I'm ready to step up and show that trans people, we're not going anywhere.
And that trans kids, they deserve a fighting chance to be their true selves.
Okay?
Oh my god, I'm running late.
Let's go!
And y'all are obviously wondering what I'm gonna wear to meet the president.
Here you go.
It's the trans flag colors.
Cute, right?
It's the heels.
Okay.
Dylan, you're gonna be great.
I love you.
Let's go.
I am extremely privileged to live in a state that allows me access to the resources I need, and that decision is just between me and my doctors.
But many states have lawmakers that feel like they can involve themselves in this very personal process.
Do you think states should have a right to ban gender-affirming health care?
I don't think any state or anybody should have the right to do that.
As a moral question and as a legal question.
I just think it's wrong.
steve bannon
28 Friday, 28 good.
We got that one, right?
Friday, 28 October in the year of our Lord 2022.
You're in the war room.
We got a couple of hours of pure intensity.
We go through a lot of economics, capital markets, polling, politics.
Sarah Palin is going to join us later.
Charlie Kirk, Boris Epstein, Dave Brat, Jenny Beth Martin, we're jammed wall-to-wall.
We want to start off, an amazing piece and spectator, now is the time for a strong social conservatism.
As Biden kowtows to Dylan Mulvaney's trans ideology, the right should say, wait for it, game on.
The writer's Josh Hammer.
Josh, what do you mean by that?
I haven't seen a lot of people on the right that want to get aggressive on social conservatism and say what we stand for, what we're fighting for, what this election is all about, and even deeper than that, the gulf between the radical Democrats and this new populist nationalist movement, sir.
josh hammer
Steve, I think what you heard there from the President of the United States, when he's talking about that you have a legal right, you have a moral right, you have a constitutional right, you have a natural right, if you are a child, to be quote-unquote transitioned. That is not neutrality.
That is not kind of old-school John Stuart Mill.
I mean, the liberalism, the classical liberalism of old-school kind of left-leaning liberals and right-leaning liberals, the libertarian folks, that was kind of old-school live-and-let-live liberalism.
But what he is talking about here is he is talking about depriving we, the people, depriving state legislatures, depriving Democratic, lowercase r, Republican majorities in the various states From protecting vulnerable children from the predations of delusional and ideologically inclined medical doctors.
This is not neutrality.
And, you know, I think we're all kind of the right liberals, controlled opposition crowd, the David French crowd out there, you know, large swaths of kind of the fusionism consensus that, as you know better than anyone, Steve, controls so much of conservatism.
And for so much of that crowd, the instincts are basically to say just, you know, just Let us live, let us get our safe space, let us kind of do our thing in our church or synagogue or home.
That is simply not good enough.
When they are out there talking about an affirmative right, a quote-unquote right to chemically pastry and butcher off the healthy breasts, mastectomies of innocent girls due to some teenage fad, as Abigail Schreier out in Los Angeles has documented in great detail.
We can't just sit in our hands.
We actually have to fight back and present an affirmative vision, and that's going to involve mandating things and banning things.
Kind of this entire paradigm of choice and consent that liberalism, I think, traditionally has prioritized.
It's simply not good enough for conservatives in the time that we're living in right now.
steve bannon
You call this a mask, I want to make sure, a mask-off moment that should galvanize the right.
What do you mean by that?
josh hammer
Well, it's a mask-off moment because the President of the United States there is talking about, again, banning we, the people, about banning the states.
And, you know, I'm a law guy by background.
I mean, last I checked, if I remember my Con Law textbook, there's an 1883 case called Muggler v. Kansas, which very articulate, it very clearly outlines these so-called police powers that were traditionally reserved to the states.
The states traditionally had police powers over health, morality, welfare, things of that nature.
You know, he is saying that the states themselves actually cannot legislate in this arena because you have a natural right, you have a constitutional right, if you are a child, to not have this happen to you.
So he's totally just butchering constitutional and he's totally butchering kind of the live and let live paradigm there, but he's being very candid.
What I meant with the mask off moment line, Steve, Is he being extremely candid?
He's not hiding the ball far too often.
We kind of, you know, the liberals traditionally, they do the whole bait and switch thing.
They say one thing, they meet another, you know, they're widening the goalposts.
He's being very, very candid here.
And he's probably being candid, frankly, because, you know, he's around 80 years old and he's senile and, you know, all that.
But it is a mask off moment.
And again, the ball is in the right court right now.
We have to kind of get out there.
And talk about how this crap is evil.
This is evil.
Quote-unquote transitioning, period, full stop, in my opinion, is evil.
It is particularly egregious evil.
We talk about underage children.
You know, my state of the state of Florida, apparently just earlier today, the state board of medicine said that they were going to go ahead and actually ban this for underage minors.
So, good for them.
That's a start.
In my opinion, though, that doesn't actually even go far enough.
We should start banning this for all of society.
This crap is, this stuff is directly violative.
of the Hippocratic oath do no harm. It's a total bastardization of the medical profession.
Biden there is flipping the police powers paradigm of constitutional law on its head and we have to go there and kind of just make the case.
steve bannon
Yeah, you're right.
Florida has moved on, and we'll have more of that in the second hour.
Brandon Showater from the Christian Post is going to join us to talk about that.
There's a huge story up in the Daily Mail about people have gone through this process, have now turned, and they're really going after Dylan Mulvaney.
What does that tell you about how dicey this whole thing is about providing this service or actually foisting it on young people?
And it looks like it's a huge moneymaker for Big Pharma, for the medical industry, and for the hospitals and doctors, sir.
josh hammer
Right, so we at Newsweek, I run the Op-Ed section of Newsweek as my main day-to-day job.
We've actually run a handful of Op-Eds from people who have transitioned and experienced terrible effects and some of whom have actually de-transitioned.
I think the number one that comes to mind for the viewers, and I want to just Google this, we ran Op-Ed in February 2021, so a year and a half, almost two years ago now.
by someone by the name of Scott Nugent, just a really long, graphically detailed essay, kind of hard and disturbing to read, just talking about all of the various kind of medical maladies that Scott Nugent was afflicted with as a result of this transition, arm, leg, inner lungs and inner organs, you name it.
He was on the verge of suicide, which is obviously horrific.
I mean, but at this point, the medical literature from what I've read is fairly clear.
I mean, Johns Hopkins Hospital has actually put out studies as well basically saying that for the people who do this quote unquote transition, their rates of depression do not go down over time.
If anything, they actually go up over time.
It's actually kind of a direct parallel there between so-called transitioning and abortion.
I think a lot of, you know, women who are, you know, single women, you know, had a sexual encounter and find themselves pregnant, they think that getting an abortion will actually kind of, you know, make them happier.
But the same thing we see in this social science literature there, you know, the rates of depression ultimately only go up as a result of that tragic life decision to actually abort your unborn child.
So it's very similar here.
There's the point is, at a bare minimum, we simply do not know definitively the long term effects.
So when we see people like just getting there in the White House and Joe Biden talking to this person who is celebrating transitioning, It is ridiculously, laughably irresponsible, and it's horrible.
And, you know, this Daily Mail piece, I mean, it's good that there were some people calling it out.
But again, I would encourage listeners and the viewers to go ahead and check out this op-ed we ran by someone by the name of Scott Nugent in February 2021.
It's hard to read.
It's really graphic, but it's important to read it.
steve bannon
We're going to put that up in our live chat right now.
Why is the right, explain to our audience, why has the right, and particularly the right that focuses on social issues, not the economics guys or the national security guys, why has the right, you feel, been so hesitant to engage on this?
josh hammer
I think for the very simple reason that, you know, it's way too many folks in kind of that fusionist kind of controlled opposition right, those folks that we were talking about just a few minutes ago, they're so scared of being called kind of a racist, sexist, bigot, homophobe.
And if you kind of listen to what Joe Biden is saying there to Dylan Mulvaney, again, he's saying that this is a right that is so sacrosanct, is so important, is so indispensable to kind of borrow the constitutional law jargon, is so inherent in kind of ordered liberty, that it should be removed from the realm of democratic politics.
You have that enshrined right.
This is exactly what the left did on the same-sex marriage issue.
And for the same way that I think social conservatives, you know, when this issue was really getting traction about, you know, 10, 15 years ago or so, leading up, of course, to the Windsor case of 2013, the Obergefell case of 2015, conservatives were far too often too hesitant to kind of get out there and make the case because they didn't want to get called a homophobe, basically, because if you have half the country saying that this is such a sacrosanct right, when you kind of talk about the nature of rights, of natural rights, inherent inalienable rights,
That's necessarily going to make the other half of the country a little more reluctant to start criticizing it.
Who wants to be on the wrong side of a natural rights?
So that's kind of what's happening here as well.
And it's really just shocking and galling to hear the president of the United States himself.
Someone who once upon a time was actually a socially pretty moderate Democrat.
I think Joe Biden called for a constitutional amendment to overturn Roe v. Wade in 1982 or something along those lines in the early 1980s.
So for someone who was once kind of a socially moderate Democrat to now be using the rhetoric and the language of rights to talk about your right as an underage minor to be chemically castrated, to chop off You know, your sexual private parts.
It's really jarring and I think that is really dissuading a lot of people on our side from making the case.
steve bannon
You also follow tech.
Tech's had a meltdown, and it looks like, you know, they've lost, what, Facebook's lost, or Meta's lost $800 billion.
Tesla's lost $500 billion.
Tech's getting crushed right now.
You see a lot of arguments.
Marjorie Taylor Greene was on the show the other day talking about the Axios piece, where the lawyers for big tech are, the companies are luring up Elon Musk took over Twitter today.
What's your sense of the big tech oligarchs, and really the big tech oligarchs, coming after conservatives?
Particularly, that may be one of the reasons the fusionists are so concerned and afraid.
They're afraid of being deplatformed.
Where do you think we stand with big tech, the oligarchs, and with this?
Is Elon Musk the cavalry?
Is he riding to the rescue here?
josh hammer
I mean, the proof will be in the pudding, right?
I mean, Elon Musk In his first 24 to 36 hours, it seems like he's basically done all the right things.
You know, he's talking about kind of building this content moderation in Supreme Council.
I guess it'll be kind of similar to kind of Facebook's Or I should say Meadows, kind of 20 member kind of court of appeals for, you know, who should be deplatformed.
So, you know, we'll see who ultimately comprises that counsel for content moderation that Elon Musk is playing together.
But I mean, right out of the gate, he's firing the CEO.
He's firing the CFO.
He's, you know, he's firing the left wing hack who was responsible for the deplatforming and banning of Donald J. Trump.
So he's doing all the right things right out of the bat.
But, you know, look, I read a column back in April.
It's kind of funny, you know, Elon Musk first announced he was going to acquire Twitter way back in April.
So I read a column at the time entitled Questions for Elon Musk.
And you know, there are some questions there.
And he's already answered some of those questions.
Some questions that I had six months ago were like, what will you do day one?
I mean, like, what kind of dramatic action?
And he's actually answered some of that.
But something kind of the broader kind of macro question still remains.
But Elon Musk, as you know, Steve, has some traditionally kind of very close ties to China.
I think that's still something to keep a very, very close eye on.
There's nothing that the Chinese Communist Party would like more than to try to dictate the rules for our own public digital square.
You know, but certainly Elon Musk is a dramatic, dramatic improvement upon the status quo ante over at Twitter.
It's worth bearing in mind, though, that Twitter itself is a fairly niche social media platform.
I think only one in four, roughly speaking, adult Americans have a Twitter account.
So it's great that we kind of have this benevolent billionaire who happens to be the richest man in the world who seems like he wants to do good for Twitter, but that is not an answer.
That is not an answer to just kind of get these benevolent billionaires in there.
We need sweeping change.
steve bannon
Josh, can you hang on for one second?
We just want to hold you through the break.
Josh Hammer from Newsweek's got an amazing piece in The Spectator.
Everybody's got to read it.
Game on.
Short commercial break.
It's 12 days, or I guess 11 in a wake-up, from the most important midterm since 1862.
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Josh Hammer joins us on the other side.
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steve bannon
Okay, Josh Hammer joins us.
He's also got a great piece up in the Spectator.
Everybody's going to read it.
We're going to push it out everywhere.
Josh, Axios had this story the other day about all the big corporations, because they see this populist wave coming through the Republican Party, are lawyering up with the best lawyers in town, understanding that's going to be confronted by a populist house.
MTG was on here the other day, and she goes, absolutely.
We're looking at going whole hog on exactly what, you know, why people have been debanked, why they've been deplatformed, among many other things.
What's your sense of that?
You follow technology, you follow these corporations, Newsweek, since you've been running editorials, has a broad range of thought.
A lot of this is populist.
What should we take?
Since Axios, Mike Allen's strategy has been kind of the mouthpiece For the big corporations and the corporatists in town, what do you take of this?
josh hammer
Yeah, I mean, it sounds like Axios is sounding the alarm here, right?
I mean, Google funded Axios.
By the way, it's probably worth pointing out here.
So, you know, my friend Mike Davis, who I know is a freaking guest on this show, I volunteer as counsel for his Internet Accountability Project, which hopes to reign in big tech.
Google actually planted a hit piece against me about a year and a half ago, in early 2021, in Axios, basically saying that, you know, they said, how could the news magazine editor How could he possibly be, you know, disfavorable?
How could he be neutral when it comes to the tech issue?
He has this anti-Big Tech side gig.
So, the connection between Big Tech and Axios, no, exactly, you're right to laugh it off.
Actually, Mike Davis had an amazing quote that he gave to Axios at the time, if I remember correctly, what Mike said was, we're so happy that we've gotten so important that our volunteer attorney deserved this entire hit piece in Axios.
It was totally crazy.
unidentified
No, no, no.
steve bannon
But here's my point.
They're not subtle about it.
They're not subtle about it.
You know, Axios takes money from him and then puts his piece right up.
So it's not like it's subtle.
josh hammer
Exactly.
No, it was totally egregious.
It's right on the open.
So I think, you know, I read this piece as Mike Allen just trying to sound the alarm here.
On the big tech issue, you know, there was a series of votes recently.
You know, Ken Buck in the House is kind of a champion on these issues.
He proposed a suite of at least four bills seeking to rein in big tech.
And, you know, it passed both the House and the Senate, albeit I think only roughly 40-something House Republicans voted for it, which is a minority of the caucus.
But if you look at who's comprised, you know, these are a lot of kind of the, like, loudest, most rambunctious kind of intellectual leaders for kind of this national conservative, national populist revolution.
On the tech issue, I think what you see very much is a tail wagging the dog.
And we're a very loud tail.
We are a very loud tail because we know what time it is, to use the rhetoric of the day, and we see what is happening with these unaccountable woke oligarchs.
They have the same woke ideology that is pervasive, ubiquitous throughout all the various kind of private institutions.
You know, the old kind of build your own Google has been literally proven in the aftermath of Parler to be a total dud.
Build your own Google simply does not work at this point.
And all of us out there right now, Are just pushing the various suite of antitrust and common carrier remedies to kind of ameliorate the current status quo because platform access and financial services banking access in the 21st century are just as much civil rights, or at least should be viewed as just as much civil rights as the foundational civil rights that they fought against the Jim Crow South in 1950s, 1960s.
That is currently what is happening.
And the subjugated deplorables, we have to seek affirmative legislation to protect our civil rights access And yes, use old-school Teddy Roosevelt trust-busting power to break up companies like Amazon and Google before it's too late.
steve bannon
Amen.
Josh, how do people get to you at Newsweek to see all the broad range of thought you have over there in the editorial section and where they get you on social media?
josh hammer
So, you can just go to Newsweek.com slash opinion for our op-ed page.
My column's actually out today.
My column for Newsweek is out on Fridays.
And on Twitter, I'm Josh underscore Hammer.
steve bannon
Josh, thank you.
Honored to have you on here.
josh hammer
Thanks so much.
steve bannon
Josh Hammer from Newsweek.
The peace inspector.
I want everybody to read that.
I've got a cold open.
Is Charlie Kirk ready?
I've got a great cold open for Charlie Kirk, taking his name in vain.
Let's go ahead and play it.
They don't have that one.
No, no, no, no, no.
No, no, no.
Is Charlie up?
Yes.
Charlie, talk to me about the, they've got a new book out called, I guess, Raising Kids Right or whatever.
It absolutely goes after everything that you've been working on for so long.
Talk to me about it.
charlie kirk
Yeah, I haven't read the book and I don't plan to, but yeah, it was written by a journalist of some sort and she followed us around a little bit and she said she wanted to profile people on the right.
Look, I could talk about all the negative and nonsense stuff there, but I think she does get some things right.
She says that conservatives are doing a better job than liberals at organizing and training the next generation behind persuasive ideas and getting the next generation really to think about this stuff critically.
Basically, she's been doing these series of media interviews, Steve, And her thesis is trying to pull the fire alarm, trying to warn all these people on MSNBC and NPR and CNN that there's a major problem.
And so I take that as a great credit and compliment of the work we're doing at Turning Point USA, that they're so worried that, you know, the reach we're having and the money we're raising and over 135,000 donors is making a serious impact, Steve.
So we'll take that in stride.
steve bannon
Hang on a second.
Do we have the Charlie Kirk package?
The Charlie Kirk.
His name's Charlie Kirk.
Do we have that package?
Let's play the Charlie Kirk package.
Not the Pennsylvania.
Let's play Charlie Kirk.
willie geist
Al, you spent a lot of time reporting this out.
Four years.
You embedded with a lot of these groups.
You really understand it.
So where are they looking for these young kids?
And let's say, who is they?
Who are the people who are doing all of this training?
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So the training has been built up for a long time.
There's an organization called the Leadership Institute.
It was started in the late 1960s, early 1970s.
The Leadership Institute is basically creating foot soldiers for the right.
It is housed in a building outside of DC.
The Leadership Institute raises $25 million a year to teach kids how to activate, how to door knock, granular stuff.
What should you put in your pamphlet?
What should you put on your sign?
What color should you use on your sign?
How, when you go door knock, should you walk on someone's lawn?
How should you convert people?
So this is the type of stuff that kids are learning.
As you can imagine, we're living in a very weird world now where the conservatives are the ones who seem to be very in touch with how people communicate and what is going on politically.
And so what did the conservatives do immediately when they started seeing stuff happening on school boards?
They started teaching kids, you know what, we're going to teach kids how to run for school board office and talk about all this CTR stuff.
So it is invasive and it is big and it is very organized.
Kyle, is this at all a regional thing?
Are there parts of the country where young people, where they're finding young people more receptive to these ideas and this pitch?
Is it, you know, rural, suburban?
How would you describe the places where this phenomenon is happening?
So originally this phenomenon was really focusing on college campuses, right?
And the idea was we're going to get these college kids.
But what we've seen in the last 10 or 15 years, the way people use social media, is that a lot of these activists realized, these young activists, that they didn't have to just focus on college campuses, that that didn't really scale, right?
That what really scaled Was to go online and to talk to people on social media and then you can get millions and millions and millions of people and these right-wing activists like Charlie Kirk at Turning Point USA and like Young Americans for Liberty which is another group I follow.
These guys are online and they are working on messaging on a daily basis to figure out what is the most coherent message to get kids attracted to them and so they can get them in all corners right?
They can get them in all corners.
What I argue in my book is that when you see groups like the Proud Boys or the Oath Keepers, and a lot of people find them to be the most alarming right-wing groups, but those are very radical groups that are going after fringe kids.
These groups are going after mainstream kids, your kids, my kids, on college campuses and beyond.
steve bannon
This is so great.
Charlie, I told you you're going to get your turn in the barrel, brother.
You're now public enemy number one.
Not fringe kids, your kids.
Talk to us about it.
charlie kirk
Well, she's right.
We're not going after the fringe kids.
We're going after the popular kids.
We're going after any kids out there that want to fight for freedom and liberty.
And look, Steve, we embrace this role.
And it's a series of articles that they've been writing.
You've seen it, Steve, where all of a sudden they're looking around and they say, wait a second.
This Turning Point thing, it's actually pretty powerful.
They're on campuses.
They're doing things in churches.
We're reaching millions of people online.
Our podcast is doing very well.
Our radio show is growing.
We have Turning Point Action, where we're doing door knocking across the country.
We have Turning Point Pack, where we're up with over half a million dollars in advertising for Carey Lake and Blake Masters.
We're about to do a big ad buy from Ostriano and Oz.
And we're reaching millions of people on digital social media.
All of a sudden they say, wait a second, where did this come from?
We didn't tell you you could do this.
And so she wrote this book and she's done these media interviews.
And what I have found interesting, though, is that how the interviewers really don't know how to ask the questions.
Have you noticed that, Steve?
They're like, well, is there a part of the world where this is better?
They're just like so taken by surprise.
You notice that?
It's like it's the worst interviews I've ever seen in my life.
Like what?
Like you're trying to tell me that we don't control everything.
Yeah, that's right, pal.
And we're only gaining in power, gaining in momentum, and nothing's going to stop us.
steve bannon
But it's also, you know, I did an event with you guys in Phoenix.
You've got this huge, what, AmericaFest in mid-December.
This is just not college kids anymore.
You've expanded it out to really young adults, I would say people under 40, right?
So this is a much broader platform, and you're obviously the biggest in the country.
charlie kirk
Yeah, of all ages.
We call ourselves a citizen organization now.
It's more than just students.
We just had an amazing faith event yesterday in Huntington Beach, California.
Steve, we had thousands of people wrapped around the street.
I mean, the lines were just incredible.
We have another event tomorrow in Spokane, Washington.
We're doing events all across the country, people of all ages.
Obviously, the center of what we do are young people, our students, you know, focused on organizing on high school and college campus.
That's our bread and butter.
But now as I get older, the organization gets older as well, citizens of all ages.
That want to be equipped, that want to be empowered, that want to do something meaningful for their country.
And look, the way that Turning Point does things is we will outwork you.
I've done that for a decade.
We're going to put in more hours.
Same kind of like you, Steve.
We're just going to put in more effort.
And we're also creative.
We're entrepreneurial.
We empower a lot of different voices.
We had a great meeting, Steve.
We talked about some of the stuff we're doing at Turning Point Action.
And it's growing very quickly.
We'll have some really big announcements as well.
And so look, we love when the media kind of all of a sudden wakes up and realizes, wait a second, These guys are a lot more powerful than we gave them permission.
steve bannon
They're an 800-pound grub.
Can you just hang to the commercial break?
I got a couple more questions.
Charlie Kirk joins us.
We got Governor Sarah Palin, Boris Epstein, and a whole six o'clock show is going to be on fire.
Short commercial break.
unidentified
backward charlie kirkman working in elections are her entire life never before has she had to have conversations with the fbi and withholding security uh... before election day The climate really has changed.
And I did also, Yasmin, ask the dreaded question about timeline.
Yeah.
We will not be expecting results on November 8th.
We don't know when exactly we will get them, but it's not going to be on election night here, Yasmin.
So ask the question, the dreaded timeline question, when we might get results out of Philadelphia, one of the bigger populations in the state.
It is not going to be on November 8th.
We will not get results out of Philly on election night, Katie.
That's a good thing to remind folks.
Don't expect the election results to come in immediately.
Like 2020, it takes some time to count the mail-in ballots, to count the early voting, especially in counties or states like where Dasha is, where you can't start it before election day.
I don't know that I have ever voted for a Democrat, but if I lived in Arizona, I absolutely would.
You have a candidate for governor, Carrie Lake.
You have a candidate for Secretary of State, Mark Fincham.
Both of whom have said that they will only honor the results of an election if they agree with it.
And if you care about the survival of our republic, we cannot give people power who will not honor elections.
We must have elected officials who honor that responsibility.
steve bannon
Okay, that's a new ad out from Liz Cheney about your beloved Arizona, Charlie Kirk.
Your thoughts on that, and also in Pennsylvania, the notifiance.
I want the audience to understand this is going to be a multi-day deal, sir.
charlie kirk
Do you see how they describe it on MSNBC, where she leans in, like, kind of, and we just have to remind people, this is just going to take days.
Just like 2020, where we have to take time.
Oh, you mean it takes time to fix the water main that burst in Fulton County, Georgia?
It really takes time?
Why are we putting up with this, Steve, exactly?
Mission number one, when Mastriano becomes governor of Pennsylvania, is to end this circus of the third world tabulation of our elections.
I mean, for no other reason is it destroys confidence and trust in the election result.
That's not a good thing for anybody.
Is that we need transparent and quick results.
It's good for a transition of power.
I mean, this idea that you have to wait an entire week.
And so I just want people to brace for impact.
But I think we've got to be careful, Steve, because I don't want this to disincentivize people to go and vote, by the way.
But we've got to brace for impact, that this is going to be a multi-day thing.
That it's not just going to be election night.
It's going to go into Wednesday.
It's going to go into Thursday.
It's going to go into Friday, then maybe Saturday we'll have an idea who will have won the Pennsylvania Governor's and Senate race.
steve bannon
No, this is going to be tough.
Same thing in Arizona.
We've got to hunker down.
Everybody's got to get out, but you've got to man the ramparts.
We've got to close the deal.
We are going to close the deal.
Charlie, what do you think about Liz Cheney?
Is that an in-kind contribution to Carrie Lake's campaign there?
Liz Cheney coming out against her?
charlie kirk
Yeah, I mean, Liz Cheney says that they'll only accept election results of ones they agree with.
First of all, that's not true.
Second of all, I wonder if Liz Cheney accepts the fact that she lost by nearly 40 points in her home state of Wyoming.
Does she accept that?
Does she accept that the people of Wyoming sent one of the clearest messages to repudiate a ruling class dynastic member by not five points, not 10 points, but four.
I can't remember the final tabulation was like 38 or 40 points.
It was unbelievable.
And so look, people don't like her.
She knows that.
And so now she's trying to campaign for Democrats.
Go ahead.
Try and revive the campaign of Katie Hobbs.
She could use all the help she can get.
I'll tell you, I'm here in Arizona.
That one poll shows Kerry up 11.
I don't know if I believe that, but I think Kerry's going to win by at least five or six points.
My current feeling on the ground, what I'm seeing here in Arizona, is Kerry Lake is going to carry the entire Republican ticket across the finish line.
Abe Hamaday, Mark Fincham, Blake Masters, I think are going to all win because of the bulletproof, magnificent candidacy of Kerry Lake.
steve bannon
Charlie, how do people, TPUSA slash War Room, you can go right now and get the tickets to AmericaFest starting in mid-December.
Tucker will be out there.
Candace will be out there.
I'll be out there.
Of course, Charlie Kirk hosting.
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Also, the book.
If you want to find out why you're paying a trillion dollars for these deadbeats, get The Color Scam from Charlie Kirk.
Charlie, how do people get you on social media?
That's what everybody's asking.
Where are you now in social media?
charlie kirk
Yeah, I mean we're still on Twitter and I have to say I do like the new management.
Steve, I'd love your thoughts on this at a different time.
I think it's the most consequential private transaction in the last 100 years.
Think about it though.
Private transaction, has there anything been of this enormity or magnitude?
I mean, it's really worth thinking about.
I mean, we think of the big acquisition of 30 Rock in the 80s and all that.
This is massive!
This is civilizational defining.
Anyway, so I'm on Twitter, but also people can look at Apple Podcasts, the most important way to follow us.
Subscribe to the Charlie Kirk Show podcast.
If you guys are subscribed to the War Room podcast, also subscribing to ours really helps.
Every single phone has a podcast app and getting behind us, so we deeply appreciate it.
So thank you.
steve bannon
And Charlie follows us at high noon right after War Room's over every day of the week.
Charlie, thank you very much, brother.
charlie kirk
God bless you, Steve.
Thank you.
steve bannon
Thank you.
Boris, give me your thoughts on... We're trying to gird people.
We're on a roll now.
The polling's there.
We know we got the numbers.
We need to get out the vote.
But tell me about this multiple day where they're already letting us know in Pennsylvania and in Arizona this is going to be a multiple day.
boris epshteyn
Disgusting and unacceptable, Steve.
Disgusting and unacceptable.
We're talking about third world countries.
Third world countries don't have these problems.
You've got votes all over the world that happen.
Same day, one-day voting, in-person voting, paper ballots, boom, done.
Look at Brazil.
They're going to have a vote on Monday.
Do you think this is going to happen on Monday?
On Sunday.
Do you think it's going to happen on Sunday?
I don't think so.
Does this happen in France?
Absolutely not.
You've got these huge countries that go in, vote, same day.
You've got the results.
You've got the answers.
Get in, get out.
Why can't we do that in this country?
And here's the ridiculous part.
It's not that it was bad and it's getting better.
It's getting worse, Steve.
It's getting worse.
Oh yeah, just like 2020, it's going to take time.
Take time to steal it.
Take time to steal it.
We have no patience for that.
We are not going to be allowing for our country to be stolen time and time and time and time again by these vicious, vindictive, cynical Democrats.
Because that's what it is.
You don't have to read between the lines.
It's clear as day.
Oh, it's just like 2020.
It's got to take time.
Take time to steal it.
Look at New Hampshire right now.
Coefficient polls got Bolduc and Hassan even.
That means Bolduc's probably up by five.
unidentified
OK?
boris epshteyn
You think they're going to announce that when it's clear as day, night of?
No, they're going to wait it out, wait for every possible ballot to come in, try to steal it.
And then maybe if they fail, finally they'll call it for Bolduc.
It is unacceptable.
It is un-American.
It's unconstitutional.
And it is downright criminal.
steve bannon
Okay, on what planet is the Liz Cheney ad in Arizona, and why only Liz Cheney would start by taking on Carrie Lake?
On what planet does that help Katie Hobbs?
boris epshteyn
You know what?
I was actually happy to be watching a little TV last night at, well, let's say 1 a.m.
after I made my last phone call, and Vice happened to be on.
Only in a world where you got tucked in bed by Dick Cheney do you think that your endorsement is going to be of any benefit.
Hey, maybe it is some sort of double-cross.
Maybe Liz Cheney now wants back in and she's trying to help Carrie Lake with this move because that's the only thing that would make sense.
Liz Cheney was annihilated.
Yes, by Harriet Hageman.
Yes, by Maggie.
But let's be honest, by President Donald J. Trump.
She was annihilated in her own primary, and now she's wading in.
And that was great.
She should also, here's a list.
She should also endorse Maggie Hassan, Josh Shapiro.
She should undoubtedly, no doubt about it, endorse Mark Kelly, and go aggression Whitmer, and go on from there.
Cortez Masto, all of them needed that coveted, coveted, coveted Liz Cheney endorsement.
steve bannon
We're going to lose you until tomorrow night and then on Sunday.
I got it.
Hockel says today, Hockel is cornered by some reporters that throwing questions at her about crime, how she's not addressing her response yet.
No, dude, she's the sitting governor of arguably the bluest state in the nation.
And she blurts out, well, hey, you know, what are you talking about?
I'm the underdog.
What has happened?
What is Lee Zeldin and the great people running for Congress and, of course, Henry running for Attorney General, Elise Stefanik, they have totally shifted the narrative there.
I mean, MAGA is on the move.
This thing is shifting every day.
She's looking at the numbers.
That's why she blurted it out.
That was a Freudian slip.
I'm the underdog.
What do you got for me, Boris?
boris epshteyn
Of course, you said the quiet part out loud.
That's what she thinks.
That's what all the Democrats think.
They know it's falling apart.
That's why they're coming at everybody.
That's why the mainstream media is absolutely rabid.
What is happening right now is unprecedented in this country's history.
This wave, you know, in 1994 the wave was huge, absolutely no doubt about it, but it didn't extend as far into some of the blue areas, okay?
2010, same.
Right now we are staring at a wave that has never been seen before and none of these radicals Left.
unidentified
Woke.
boris epshteyn
Democrats are safe.
Kathy Hochul's got a problem.
Pete Kibbutz James has got a major problem all across the country.
Zoe Lofgren's got a problem against Peter Hernandez.
All across the country.
House races.
Senate races.
Secretary of State races.
Christina Karama in Michigan.
All across the country.
MAGA is on the march under the leadership of President Trump.
and believe you me, this next week is going to bring nothing but heat from President Trump and all of us at MAGA.
steve bannon
Don't forget, it was Kylie in New Jersey.
These races that...
Oh yeah, do Kylie need to get in big time to get the money.
These are Biden 10, 12, they got a Biden 20 out on the West Coast.
They're deep into Biden 20s right now.
Come on, this thing's falling, crating around the Boris.
Give the morning email how to people get to it, how to get to your social media.
boris epshteyn
No doubt about it.
I'm running around all day long.
We're winning this thing all across the country, Steve.
As you said, Sukaili against Frank Pallone.
Everybody, Blake Masters, Tiffany Smiley in Washington State.
We are winning.
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Stay strong.
God bless.
All offense and Shabbat Shalom.
steve bannon
We'll see you tomorrow night, Boris.
Thank you.
I want to play the cold open.
We've got a very special guest, the former governor of Alaska.
Let's play her cold open.
unidentified
Inflation is at a 40-year high and we are in recession and it's a shame that our president and his party refuse to acknowledge that we are suffering from a recession.
We need to drill baby drill.
Energy costs are the driver of inflation.
Energy costs, which affect absolutely everything that we do in America, everything that we consume, Oil and gas, it touches that.
So if we have more supply of oil, our own, clean, domestic, USA oil, coming from Alaska, ideally, instead of hat in hand, asking foreign countries to pump and produce for us their dirty, dangerous sources of oil, makes no sense the Biden administration's agenda.
steve bannon
Okay, our own Jane Zirkle, Grace Chong, and Captain Maureen Bannon did a live stream the other night.
Live started at 11 o'clock, went past midnight on the East.
It was a huge audience to see Governor Sarah Palin.
Governor Palin, here's what people don't understand.
You completely owned that debate from beginning to end.
People don't understand.
Why are you not in Congress?
What is going on in Alaska to get this funky vote that you're not in Congress right now?
And it's even a question.
That it's not even a competitive race.
You are so dominant in that debate, ma'am.
unidentified
Well, maybe because you're the only one who recognizes that, Steve, or others want to deny it.
Because, doggone it, Steve, the political machine up here, the Republican establishment, and McConnell, the Republican establishment in D.C., pouring money into Lisa Murkowski's Senate campaign so that she can endorse My opponent in the congressional race.
She's endorsing Mary Poltola, the Democrat, and that's using GOP money, so that's part of it.
steve bannon
Unbelievable.
I tell you, Governor Palin, we're going to take a short break.
If you can just hang on, we're going to take a short commercial break.
Governor Palin is going to join us on the other side.
We're going to talk about Alaska.
We need that House seat.
More important, we need Governor Sarah Palin in this house because I got to tell you, they're going to rock and roll debt ceiling, investigations, appropriations, all of it.
I want to make sure everybody goes to redwave2022.com to volunteer.
This is one of the great volunteer organizations.
We're going to have, I think, Jenny Beth Martin in the next hour to talk about it.
Today, on the show, we had the volunteer organizations.
Everybody came back to me.
You flooded the zone.
Everybody must get to the ramparts with a get-out-the-vote and also to become an election poll worker, poll watcher, election official, all of it.
You still get training.
You've got to go to these sites when Captain Ben and Grace get them all up in the live chats right now.
Short commercial break.
the former governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin, in a tough congressional race out there in the great state of Alaska, when we return in a moment.
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Governor Palin, there was tons of young people watching this because it was so late at night.
They were blown away by your command of the material, the facts.
It wasn't even close.
Like the salmon situation, you said, seize the vessels, these foreign guys.
I mean, the oil, you cut right to it.
What's the story, Beja?
Is he like a college professor or an elementary school teacher?
Who is this guy?
And what's he even doing on the stage?
unidentified
Nobody really knows who he is except he's a part of the wealthy Democrat political dynasty family up here.
We have two dynasties.
On the right side are the Murkowskis.
On the left side are the Beggages.
Nick Beggage, now, is the chosen one of their family to put an R by his name for this race.
He's in there as a plant.
And he's siphoning off enough votes from me so that the Democrat is allowed to serve in Congress, representing this deep, deep red state.
But this has to do with Lisa Murkowski and Mitch McConnell, the political establishment in D.C.
This is much bigger than Alaska.
It's much bigger than my little hometown of Wasilla, where I am.
This is Mitch McConnell.
Pouring in $9 million into Lisa Murkowski's seat so that she can retain her seat, but also so that she can knight her chosen ones across the state.
And in my race, certainly I'm not the chosen one.
So she's helping the Democrat in my race.
She has endorsed- Hold on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
steve bannon
She said she endorsed and gonna vote.
You tell me Mitch McConnell's pulled money out of New Hampshire?
And Arizona.
And in Arizona, the two states are right on the cusp of when he pulled money out there to put $9 million in backing Murkowski against Kelly, Chewbacca, and so that Murkowski can endorse a Democrat and then say she's going to vote for that Democrat?
Is that what you're telling this audience, ma'am?
unidentified
That's what I'm telling him.
I'm telling him Mitch McConnell and that organization, the Uniparty, they have taken GOP donations, given them to Lisa Murkowski so that she can defeat Republicans up here.
And I'm kind of the token, the symbol of Tea Party movement, of a Trumpster.
They hate Trump.
Well, Lisa Murkowski voted to impeach him, you know?
So what they're doing is taking big shots at my candidacy to send Trump a message that, uh-uh, even in the deep red state of Alaska, you're not going anywhere, Trump, and the train's not going anywhere across the state.
They're not going to win, though, Steve, because It is, okay, 11 days to go, right?
But this is when people start paying attention.
Thank God people are paying attention.
They're wondering, for instance, why is the GOP up here in Alaska have a big get out the vote rally and, you know, the Republicans who are all invited.
Guess who's not invited to the big rally?
Sarah Palin, the GOP vote getter on top of all the races that we have.
This is why we have ranked choice voting.
This is why Lisa, being in charge of what it takes for her to retain her seat, this is what's screwing up the elections in Alaska, and don't let it happen to other states.
Do not allow ranked choice voting.
It was her attorney who crafted this scheme, and that's what we're stuck with right now.
steve bannon
Governor Palin, what should this War Room Posse do right now?
We're obviously, after hours, going to get on top of this with some other folks, but what can this audience do right now as far as volunteer donations, whatever?
We need Sarah Palin more than ever.
In this Congress, she would be a firebrand.
MTG, Boebert, all of these, the guy, Joe Kent, people are going to come.
Caroline Leavitt, they need Sarah Palin because I'm telling you, Sarah Palin takes no prisoners and she's not going to play their game, right?
She's going to play the game for MAGA and for the nation.
What do people have to do?
unidentified
It harkens back to the tea party days, doesn't it?
And, you know, if I go down, I'm going to go down swinging.
And like my dad always taught me, you don't retreat, you reload.
And that's what I've done as I promoted Alaska across the nation and across the world.
And now here I have opportunity to serve the residents of my most wonderful state.
And it isn't easy because of what the machine is doing against me, and it's just like what Trump says.
They're not coming after me.
They're coming after you.
They're coming after those who believe in America first, and smaller, smarter government, and freedom, protection of our rights.
That's what they're coming after.
They're just using me.
steve bannon
Governor Palin, how do people get to your site?
How do they sign up to volunteer?
We'll figure this out tonight and tomorrow, but where do people go for right now, and how do they follow you on social media?
unidentified
Okay, go to sarah4alaska.com and nothing's spelled out.
Sarah for Alaska.
I mean, everything's spelled out.
I'm sorry, sarah4alaska.com.
Go to my Instagram, sarahpaylin97.
That's where I personally am doing the social media because, you know, Steve, I'm going to get in trouble for saying this, but sometimes you wonder the people who are actually advising, working on campaigns, You gotta wonder if they're really in it for the right reasons, because sometimes they give really crappy advice and effort.
So, I'm doing a lot of this myself.
I'm not going to ask people for donations, though, which ticks off those in my campaign and other campaigns, you know, because they look at this as a business and they get a cut of funds raised.
I don't ask people for money, because I've won all the races that I've been in over my life, except one.
The big one.
I've done it being outspent 10 to 1, or whatever it is, because that's just the way I roll, and it's always worked well.
steve bannon
Well, because of the force of your personality.
Governor Palin, we will contact you later, and we'll make sure that we pull this thing together.
So thank you very much for joining us here in the War Room, and I appreciate it.
unidentified
Good, because Steve, the country, it is at stake.
I have nothing to lose, personally, but we have a country to lose in this, and it's serious stuff.
Gosh, I hope people are paying attention.
We need that House seat.
steve bannon
We need the House seat.
Most importantly, we need Sarah Palin in that House seat.
Governor Palin, thank you very much.
Appreciate you coming to the War Room.
unidentified
Thank you.
steve bannon
That is one of the greatest living Americans right there.
She is a fighter with no back down.
Like your dad said, don't retreat, reload.
That is Governor Sarah Palin.
unidentified
And she will give it to you with both barrels, okay?
steve bannon
With the bark on, as we say down South.
Okay, we're taking a short break.
We've got the six o'clock hour.
We're going to be absolutely lit.
I think I got Jenny Beth.
I got Dave Brat.
We got a whole host.
Got a couple of candidates.
Got a couple of surprises also.
We always do.
It's Friday evening tomorrow on the show and Saturday morning.
We're going to rock it all weekend.
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