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Episode 2214: Katie Hobbs Fears Debating Kari Lake; MAGA Continues To Lead In Polling
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unidentified
Before we let you go, because I think it is on the mind of Arizona voters, are you saying this morning that there is no circumstance that you can envision, or would even try to negotiate, in which you and Carrie Lake would appear at a debate together before the election?
At this point in the race, with 30 days to go, our schedule in terms of forums is pretty much set.
And I'm really happy with where we are in the plans we have to continue talking directly to the voters of Arizona.
joe scarborough
You look at the slate of statewide candidates in Arizona for people like me who actually, I don't know.
I like Western democracy.
I like free elections.
I think people that lose elections should be, you know, for me, I'm very rattled by what I see out in Arizona.
That said, if Carrie Lake's positions are so indefensible, Then Katie Hobbs, in my opinion, needs to debate her.
Because she's leaving the stage to her, she's turning the microphone over to her, just like the Democrats or Republicans did in the January 6th hearings.
Just turning the microphone over to him instead of pushing back.
And that one person you said talked about how Katie Hobbs wasn't around.
I've never seen running from debates ever, ever in any race.
I've never seen it help a candidate.
mika brzezinski
She should be able to get on stage and be there to talk about fact versus fiction.
And even if it isn't a conversation, because if Carrie Lake does what Carrie Lake does, it's usually spewing a slew of lies wrapped up in a tight little present.
So what she should do is just say, I can't comment on that because that is not fact.
And here are the four different ways that you know this is not fact.
And you have a candidate that is constantly lying.
Is that what Arizona wants?
Does Arizona want a governor who lies through her teeth for power?
Does Arizona want a governor who doesn't care about you, she just cares about winning, and she will That's what she's doing right here, right now, to your face.
Lying.
I'm not participating in lying.
I'm just here to separate fact from fiction and when she brings up an actual policy that's an actual debate, I will engage.
I mean, even if she did that, it would be something.
But nothing?
I definitely think that is running away from what is, some might disagree, a threat to our society.
Kerry Lake.
joe scarborough
Well, you know what?
Mika, you make very compelling arguments.
unidentified
So the Democrat should go out.
joe scarborough
And make those compelling arguments.
I personally think she would, you know, people go, oh, she's so telegenic.
Oh, she's, she's this.
No, she's an election denier.
She's a conspiracy theorist.
She, she's a Barack Obama supporter.
When it was cool to support Barack Obama, she supported Barack Obama.
When it was cool to support Donald Trump, she supported Donald Trump.
When it was cool to support conspiracy theories, she supported conspiracy theories.
I'm telling you again, our next guest, if he debated her...
There would be open weeping among Republicans.
mika brzezinski
So why?
joe scarborough
Why do we have a Democrat who is running scared and running away from a person who should be the easiest in the world to debate against?
Because she is literally embracing crackpot conspiracy theories promoted by Chinese religious cult websites.
You can't debate against that?
mika brzezinski
Joining us now with more on the political.
steve bannon
Wow.
I think I could play that all day long.
Happy Columbus Day.
It's Monday, 10 October in the year of our Lord 2022.
Mika lies wrapped up in a quote, tight little present.
unidentified
I think I, those cat claws.
steve bannon
The Atlantic, here's why Morning Joe's talking about this.
The Atlantic came out with a major piece over the weekend.
It said how Carrie Lake is the future of the MAGA movement and they're in complete meltdown.
Also, we started with Katie Hobbs disastrous by Major Garrett.
And Major Garrett and the guys at CBS, I mean, when they do these interviews, they're pretty straightforward questions.
I mean, he asked her, you know, a couple of straightforward questions.
She fumbled every one.
But Morning Mika lies wrapped up in a tight little present.
Get those cat claws out.
Degrade yourself as a threat to our country.
But they got on Katie Hobbs.
But here's what Morning Mika's got to do.
Look, I understand that.
Here's why they're, by the way, Morning Mika.
I want to announce we're launching the merch site for War Room.
We'll be up here shortly.
Our first offering is going to be the Morning Mika mug.
Right?
I want to say it's a great team members out in the great state of Arizona created this Morning Mika and I'm gonna give you a scoop on the morning of the 9th.
They're changing the name of Morning Joe to Morning Mika.
You know this.
I'm giving you a big scoop here.
Morning Mika.
Because Joe's, you know, he's kind of the wingman.
She runs the show, so there's your Morning Mika mug.
You like that?
Morning Mika.
What they should do, look, they focus on the wrong issue set, so they've led the Democratic Party down to its destruction.
Focusing on abortion, democracy, the threats to democracy, the threats to democracy, and Ukraine.
Gotta throw Ukraine in there.
Those are their three issues.
Not crime.
Not Steve Cortez's The Two Eyes.
Inflation and immigration.
Not crime.
Not out-of-control schools.
Not the VACs.
You don't hear anything about the VACs, the mass mandates anymore.
None of that.
Okay?
We laid out the issue set.
This is what it's got to be.
At least Stefanik did an amazing job at the Republican conference of setting this up.
And focus on that.
That issue set is winning.
Mourning Mika.
These guys have led him down the primrose path of the total destruction.
Now they're panicking.
Note to Mourning Mika.
Every candidate in the country is running away.
Don't pick on Katie Hobbs.
Katie Hobbs is incompetent.
And you know she's getting smoked by by Carrie Lake.
That's a given.
Because you propped her up on MSNBC with those softball interviews for two years.
As Secretary of State for two years.
You created her.
You created her, so don't turn on her at the last second when she's too afraid to take on a professional like Carrie Lake, when Carrie Lake's got all the issues on her side.
You know, Katie Hobbs has got a commercial out in Arizona about how tough she's going to be in border crime, like Mark Kelly.
Yeah, right.
So every Democrat in the country won't stand on a stage and debate.
Not one.
Not one will stand on a stage and debate.
We'll not stand in any tight race.
You've got some guys in the races they control.
Won't stand on a stage and debate.
Why?
They don't have the issue set.
I've got Alex DeGrasse from Team Elise with the math.
I've got Cortez.
We've got a lot to go through.
Steve Moore is going to be here to go through about oil.
We've got the Surgeon General, the free state of Florida, his blockbuster report on Friday on the Vax.
Twitter took him down and then understood they're going to get sued like crazy, put him back up.
We've got a lot to get to.
Mastriano, I think we're trying to get Alex Jones.
We're going to try if we can hook it up to get Edward or Bolsonaro today.
If not, we'll do it tomorrow or the next day.
One last thing before I go.
I mean before we turn it over here.
All this week, we're going to be talking about flooding the zone.
You know, like Nelson said right before Trafalgar, every man is to do their duty.
Today, every man is to do their duty.
We need to flood the zones with poll workers, election judges.
We're going to have people in here in the next couple of days who are going to give you numbers.
They're going to blow you out and going to crush the spirit of the Democrats.
Because they're going to stand, they can't steal it.
We're going to be in the room with tens of thousands of well-trained people.
And of course, USA Today, poll workers fearful as vengeful threats persist.
No, no, our poll workers are happy.
They're happy warriors.
They're happy warriors.
You guys are getting smoked.
You're not going to be able to steal any more election.
It's game over.
And here's how I know it's game over.
CNN has a huge story out this morning.
They go into Obama saying, please, we can't have Biden.
He kills us.
You must come.
This is existential.
This election is existential.
Obama, please, you must come and save us.
And I'm talking about governor races, House races, Senate races, all of it.
Obama.
I don't think so.
Can't do it.
Not coming to one.
Not one.
The tell.
Obama, Rachel Maddow, they've all run away.
Morning Mika's embraced it because they're responsible along with the NBC night.
Chris Hayes, Joanne Reed, you guys are going to own this crushing defeat.
You led the Democrats down the primrose path.
You had them focus every night on trashing MAGA, on talking about threats to democracy.
Hey, get ready for your democracy suppository because you're about to get basically a How do I say this?
Well, let me have Alex Degrasse say it.
Alex, come in and tell us about some math, the core races, and then I want to talk about the expanding battlefield of Rhode Island, Oregon, Maryland, New York State.
Tell us how we're doing, sir.
unidentified
Hey Steve, thank you.
But real quick, I want to say on the Katie Hobbs interview, she put out one thing that's a little bit, the lead's been kind of buried.
She is in favor of no restrictions, abortion, taxpayer funded up until birth.
It's a radical position, about 10 to 12% of voters support.
It's toxic and we really have to get it out there because you see some of these Democrats that are backtracking.
They want some restrictions.
They won't give specifics.
That one is way out there.
But on the math, Steve, things look great.
Numbers are moving.
I know we're going to get into some of the rating changes that we heard.
steve bannon
Hang on a second.
I want you to go back about this abortion thing.
They took their best shot on abortion with these negative ads in July and August, as you said, in the NRCC and the Senate leadership.
Everybody held back.
Don't fire.
Let's wait to see the whites of their eyes.
Once they got across in the Labor Day, Your point's well taken.
Once you ask them a specific question, like Katie Hobshaw, they melt down.
They can't give you a straight answer, and basically they say, well, it's between a woman and her doctor, so you can have the abortion, as President Trump says, you can have the abortion right up to the baby's born or even thereafter.
I mean, isn't that the fact?
Once you press them on, well, tell me what you guys are talking about, they basically vapor lock.
Is that correct, Alex?
unidentified
That's exactly right, Steve.
It's a clear contrast.
Republicans are the party of life.
Exceptions typically in rape, incest, life of mother, like President Trump said.
And when you contrast against taxpayer funded, paid term abortion up till birth, like 15% of voters support that less among the Hispanic community and different, you know, target demographics.
And so, you know, Republicans need to lean in on that issue because voters are actually on our side.
steve bannon
Perfect.
Tell us about, there's some overall numbers, you got some spreads, but also the numbers coming out on Biden are even worse.
He's not invited anywhere.
They don't want him on any stage in the country because he's the kiss of death.
Is that, is that your assessment, Alex?
unidentified
Yeah.
I mean, the numbers of this independence with the latest YouGov poll, it's cratering.
We've never seen lower numbers for an incumbent president going into the midterm.
And that's really the key here.
Those independents, those swing voters, Hispanics, you know, We certainly have a little bit of an energized Democrat base.
That's where they've been somewhat rallying.
But our folks are energizing.
And I see they've got the chart on screen.
So this is an important chart.
Switch here.
We spoke on War Room about Rhode Island, Oregon, Maryland, California, New York, Connecticut.
Real clear politics, which is the best in the game, came out.
They shifted nine races over the weekend from Democrat to Republican.
Two in Oregon, one in Merrigan.
Rhode Island now, leaning Republican.
I'll say that again.
Western Rhode Island, leading Republican on the ballot.
Connecticut, now a 50-50 toss-up.
That's Litchfield County, that's the suburbs of Hartford, part of Fairfield County.
These are critical.
The numbers are, you know, we are really gaining momentum, Steve, and it's going to really continue to heat up here with 28 days left.
steve bannon
If we can put that chart back up for a second, I want our podcast and radio audience, that's where you got to go to War Room and get the, we put these up and they're up.
I have had it up on Getter since yesterday when Alex got it to me.
Real clear politics.
This is kind of the poll of polls.
These nine races, Are in Democrat districts, okay?
This shows you how well we're doing the core, because when Alex talked about spreading the battlefield, these are hardcore Democratic districts, correct, Alex?
Which now RealClearPolitics, not the RNC or not the NRCC, RealClearPolitics, with their aggregation of the polls, are now turning these into basically toss-ups and lean Republicans.
Is that it, Alex?
unidentified
That's exactly right.
Out of these nine, one of them, New York 22, Brandon Williams, who I know has been on the show, so that one's a hold.
But that one now is moving into the lean Republican camp.
It's a seat buy-in won by eight points, so it's great to see we've got a great candidate there.
So we're going to hold that one.
But the rest of them, Steve, exactly.
They are trending in the Republican direction.
They're leaning our way, or we're typically leaning Democrats that are now 50-50 toss-ups.
And so whether that's Myra Flora as the seat, Democrats, there was a headline in Axios, they're abandoning South Texas polling funding.
It's a total... Yep.
steve bannon
It's huge.
They're abandoning South Texas.
Also, this ties together with the story the other day, the 22 million, the NRCC is coming in with $22 million into these seats.
This is expanding the battlefield.
We told you that these things all break within the last couple of weeks.
It was four weeks ago, basically.
But what you're going to see is what we call the inflection point, where it starts, you see that it's breaking our way.
Also, they turn on each other, like on Morning Joe, You can't run away from debates.
Tell that to all the Democrats.
Mika, short break.
Cortez, DeGrasse, Fredericks next.
unidentified
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This is the intensity, Morning Mika, that you guys don't have.
We have the intensity of people to get out to vote, to volunteer, to all of it.
Talking about Tennessee, I want to bring in John Fredericks for a couple of minutes.
John, Virginia, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, absolutely vital.
We got congressional races, we're trying to state legislature races, school boards, House and Senate.
You're taking the bus, the bus is rolling, starting when?
Tell people how they find out more about the John Fredericks tour that the War Room's glad to be a small part of, sir.
john fredericks
Well listen, you guys are going to be there with us.
I know we're trying to get a date for a war room to come to Virginia, in Virginia 7th.
We're still trying to work that out, Steve, and we're looking forward to that.
You guys have been a tremendous sponsor of ours and we really appreciate it because this bus tour is designed to do one thing, get Trump voters out in the highest Trump Precincts there are for our Republican candidates, and we're going to targeted areas.
We start on October 18th.
That'll be one week from tomorrow.
We start in Elizabeth City, North Carolina in North Carolina 1.
This is for Sandy Smith.
Our bus tour is going to go from there through Virginia 7, and that is going to be for Yesley Vega.
We got to oust Abigail Spamburger.
Both these races are flips.
Both of them are tied within the margin of error if you look at the polling numbers.
By the way, guys, I'm getting double audio.
If you can fix that for me, thank you.
So we're going to go through there.
Hopefully you'll be involved.
After that, we're going to New Hampshire.
We're going to make a stop in Connecticut.
You just had polling numbers there.
We're going to make a stop for Levy.
Then we're going to New Hampshire.
Don Baldick, Caroline Leavitt.
and our good friend Bobby Burns.
We're going to be in a week in New Hampshire, and that's going to be basically from October 24th to 30th.
Then we're going to Pennsylvania.
That's the big one.
Nine days there right through the election, October 31st to November 8th.
We're going to be crisscrossing rural Pennsylvania for Oz and Mastriano as a team.
Got some congressional candidates involved as well.
But Steve, the beauty of this bus tour is this is our bus tour.
This is not funded by a campaign.
It's not funded by a PAC.
Nobody's telling us what to do.
Basically, my wife Anne and I, we got a phone and a pen.
We raise the money.
They cost about $200,000.
We go to our advertisers.
We ask them for help, we sponsor it, putting their signs on the bus and do the best we can.
But in order to do this and do it right, we've got to get it out, get the buzz, and get people out and get them engaged and get them voting for our candidates in November.
Pennsylvania and New Hampshire, these are keys.
If we can get our votes out, Steve, we can win both these Senate seats, we can win these bunch of House races, and it's going to make a huge difference.
steve bannon
And when the governorship of Pennsylvania, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, by the way, Oz is closing.
They're making crime the number one topic in inflation.
Oz is surging.
Oz has got, I think, 82 or 83% of Republicans.
That 17% is MAGA.
MAGA has to deliver because we can't have the demon, the demonic Fetterman in the U.S.
unidentified
Senate.
It would be a disgrace to our forefathers to allow that to happen.
steve bannon
John Fredericks, how do people go right now and get all the information on the tour?
I know you haven't picked the exact dates of where you're going to be, but how do they find out more about the tour?
Because these bus tours of yours are amazing.
War Room is going to be there associated with this every day, picking up John live.
Hopefully we'll be actually do the show live from New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Virginia.
So we're going to try to work it all out.
But John, how do people go right now and find out more about this?
john fredericks
Well, Steve, thank you.
I know you guys are going to be with us.
REV is going to be with us as well.
We thank them for that.
Two things.
Go to JohnFredericksRadio.com.
The bus tour is there.
The exact schedule is going to be evolving every day.
So, if you look for new Hampshire, you don't see the exact towns, they're going to be coming.
JohnFredericksRadio.com.
If you want to help us out, sponsorship or donation.
This is self-funded, guys.
There's no money from heaven dropping down here from, you know, Peter Thiel.
I mean, this is just my wife and I doing this on our own.
But I tell you what, if you donate to us, you know exactly where your money's going.
Because you tune us in at 6 a.m.
on October 25th.
Guess what?
We're somewhere in New Hampshire.
You tune us in, we're there.
You tune Bannon in, we're there.
War Room.
Just go to JohnFredericksRadio.com.
JohnFredericksRadio.com.
We'd really appreciate the help.
Because, look, sometimes we just gotta do these things ourselves.
Steve, it's just like when you started War Room and everybody said, oh, impeachment doesn't matter.
Sometimes you just gotta do it yourself to get it done, Steve.
As you know.
steve bannon
John Frederick, you're a hero.
These bus tours are amazing.
A lot more of this.
Announcing it today, he's gonna be everywhere.
North Carolina, Virginia, New Hampshire, and Pennsylvania.
Brother, thank you very much.
We'll have a lot more about this in the days ahead, sir.
Let me go back to Alex DeGrasse.
He's got a bolt.
Alex, what's the takeaway from this morning?
By the way, everybody has to represent.
Own your vote.
Put your list.
Own your vote.
Help 10 friends own theirs.
And then they do the same thing.
10 and 10.
Alex DeGrasse, what do you got for me before you punch out this morning?
unidentified
Yeah, and just real quick before we go over the top issues, the Trump voter turning out is so important.
When you look at New York, where we have the most competitive races in the country, President Trump earned 3.25 million votes.
That is more votes since Ronald Reagan in 1984, no Republican governor, even Governor Pataki was elected.
You know, so there are so many Trump voters out there, we need them to go out and vote.
But if we're shifting gears here to the issue set, if we can pull up, we have that ABC poll we talked about.
Four.
Three out of the four top issues.
All Republicans leading by an average of 15 points.
Economy, inflation, crime.
We have the issue set.
We have the energy.
It's going to be an execution game.
That's the other one on the chart, but that's OK.
This one.
Yeah, there we go.
You know, these are the top issues.
And the abortion one is dropping off almost at a 22 percent spread between the economy and abortion.
And we've seen those numbers continue to drop in recent weeks.
There's two things.
steve bannon
This is turning, when he says execution, the strategy part of this has been done.
Execution now is owning your vote and helping your friends own their vote.
In addition, and we're going to have Cleta on later at five o'clock, it's not too late to get trained up.
And we're going to have some people from some of the more bigger organizations on Demar to talk about the tens of thousands have been trained.
We need everybody in the accounting room.
We need everybody to own your vote.
If MAGA delivers, You end the Biden presidency on the evening of 8th November.
You end it.
It's over.
It's done.
Stick a fork in it.
Alex DeGraw and the House.
This is how we do it.
The House, and we're going to take the Senate.
We're going to win up and down.
Now they're turning on each other to say, Katie Hobbs, you got to go debate.
They should talk to every candidate in the country.
Any Democrat that stands on a stage with a MAGA candidate, a Republican candidate, will lose.
Any boy that stands up and debates him will lose.
Obama knows that.
That's why he's not going out.
Alex DeGrasse, people love when you come on.
How can they get more information at the NRCC, at Team Elise, at all of it?
Where do they go?
unidentified
So if you want to see the target races, we just put together a website.
It's redwave2022.com.
It's going to organize those seats for you by, you know, Trump seats, the tight seats with Biden won by 0-5, Biden won by about 10.
You can also hit us with a $5 or $10 if you can.
We've got some email and phone numbers to reach out to the volunteers.
RedWave2022.com.
We just put that, Team Elise just put that together for folks, and so definitely give that a look.
I'm on Getter, at Degrass, Truth, at Alex Degrass, and all that.
So thank you, Steve.
steve bannon
Yeah, let's get that up.
I want everybody on that site this morning.
RedWave2022.
Everybody hit it right now.
Get some information.
Get your other pad out while you're watching the show.
Alex, I know you got a bolt.
Thank you.
Look forward to having you back on in the next couple of days.
unidentified
Thanks, Steve.
steve bannon
Cortez, before we get into capital markets and finance, give me your assessment.
You went to the Hispanic Leadership Conference.
You kicked it off.
We haven't had a chance to pull the Katie Hobbs disastrous response to her.
What does the Hispanic community mean to you?
But tell me where you think we stand right now as you see this, Matt.
You're a numbers guy.
Where do you think we stand?
steve cortes
Well, listen, I love this talk about expanding the battlefield because I think it is crucial.
I'm actually right now, Steve, back in my former home of Chicago.
And in the wake of the great Chicago fire of 1871, Daniel Burnham, who was the architect of a massive, incredible rebuild plan, the Chicago plan, he said, make no little plans.
They have no power to stir men's souls.
Well, regarding these elections, which are now within a month, Make no little plans.
Make no small plans.
We are going to absolutely be competitive in places where we have not been competitive before.
Number one, because we have the issues set.
Number two, because we have the candidates.
But number three, to your point about the Latino coalition that we just had, the Hispanic Leadership Conference, because the coalition is expanding.
And as proof of that, I would point to people that right now, it looks very likely that in three states, if we step away from a second from the federal races and look at the state houses, In three states, the Democrats are very much in trouble for the governorship.
In Oregon, it looks likely that the blue state of Oregon is going to elect a Republican governor.
If we go all the way across the country to New York, it is an absolute coin flip according to credible polling right now.
Hochul is in a ton of trouble, and Zeldin is trending aggressively, and I think probably going to win that state.
And then right here in Illinois, J.B.
Pritzker, despite spending hundreds of millions of dollars of his inherited trustafarian fortune, he's in trouble.
And Darren Bailey is within striking distance.
So, we can be competitive almost anywhere in the country.
steve bannon
Hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it.
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
I hit the rewind before we go to break.
You're telling me in New York State, In Illinois and in Oregon, these three candidates right now are competitive to win the governorships of the three hardest core, with California, the three of the four hardest core Democratic states, bluest states in the Union, sir.
steve cortes
Steve, I think it is very likely that at least two of those three, obviously we need to fight for all three, but I think at least two of those three are going to have Republican, America-first governors.
Come November 9th, Governor's-elect at that point.
That is the reality.
And this isn't pie-in-the-sky thinking.
This isn't me being Pollyanna, saying, oh, I'd like it to be that way.
Again, this is looking at credible polling, at serious numbers.
And, you know, Alex mentioned the real clear politics moves over the weekend.
Those are significant.
That is an objective third party who is saying this race is trending hard nationally for American voters.
steve bannon
Our own Steve Cortez is in Chicago.
We're going to take a short break.
We've got the Surgeon General of Florida blockbuster report on Friday and Steve Cortez on global capital markets next in The War Room.
unidentified
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Well, we're doing this one for the entire audience, obviously, in the show, but I'm specifically doing it for Steve Cortez, understanding what a hero he's been in this entire effort.
You know, when I go around the country, people say, you know, I want to be the Ron DeSantis of Arizona.
I want to be the Ron DeSantis of Nebraska.
I want to be the Ron DeSantis of this.
It's not just about Governor DeSantis.
It's about a style of governance.
So when they say the Free State of Florida, they're not kidding.
These folks, men and women down there in this DeSantis administration, they're hitting on all cylinders.
I'm telling you, they're always on offense.
A blockbuster study, we've been honored to have Dr. Joseph Latipo on before, the Surgeon General of the Free State of Florida, with the launch of his book.
But he came out with a report on Friday, let's say this, it melted the internet.
So much so that Twitter, I think, took him down and now I think it's back up.
Doctor, walk me through exactly what this report is.
What did you do in your research?
Tell me about the release and then, obviously, Twitter trying to silence your voice, sir, over the weekend.
Dr. Joseph Latipo.
dr joseph ladapo
Steve, thanks for having me on and I'm really thrilled to be able to share this news because it's important news and because, as we all know, we've had this period of time where people get told they're crazy if they have any suspicion that, you know, that masks aren't working or that lockdowns aren't necessary or that kids will be fine if they don't go to school.
Or that that reaction you had after you took one of these COVID-19 vaccines is all in your head or it's unrelated.
So I'm thrilled to be able to provide some, you know, kind of a sanity check, if you will, to folks to let them know that they're not crazy, that their gut, their intuition, their sensibilities, their instincts about Things being wrong or not wrong, that they, in fact, their instincts were correct.
So what we did was, as you know, actually, just to even back up, as you know, this whole issue of an objective evaluation, both of effectiveness and safety of these COVID-19 vaccines, which primarily in this country, we're talking mRNA vaccines, It's been completely taboo, off-limits.
People lose, people lost their jobs, people lost their social media presence, people have lost their voice.
If you say the wrong thing, and the wrong thing is just thinking anything or saying anything different from this mainstream narrative, safe and effective, everybody's got to take it.
No, it doesn't matter if it costs you your job.
You need to take it.
I don't care.
So what we did was we looked, we probed an important question.
And the shame is that we had to do it because other people have had these data and could have done it earlier.
The CDC could have done something like this six months, a year ago.
And, but we did it.
And what we did was we basically used the data that we have in Florida.
So we have data in Florida on vaccinations, we have data in Florida on death, you know, who dies, and we have data in Florida on COVID-19 test results.
And we basically merge these data and we use this technique called a a case control, a self-controlled case series method.
And it's nothing we made up.
It was something that was developed many years ago to evaluate vaccine safety.
And it's actually a very simple method.
I think I looked at some of the critiques on Twitter and we responded to some of the more substantive ones, but most of the critiques, I mean, it's kind of a shame.
You know, you've got people who have educations, read the papers, you know, look at the references, understand the method before you start criticizing the study.
But unfortunately, a lot of people didn't do that.
They just went straight to criticism because, of course, they didn't like the results.
unidentified
But the intuition of the method is super simple, Steve.
dr joseph ladapo
All the method does is it says, okay, we're going to take an exposure.
In this case, we're talking COVID-19 vaccines.
And we're going to take an outcome that we care about.
And in this case, we're talking death.
unidentified
And we're going to look at people who had both of them.
dr joseph ladapo
And we're going to see if the deaths over in our, and we use the six month period, we're going to see if the deaths occur kind of randomly across that six month period, or whether they are clustered around the exposure.
So really simple, right?
And the intuition is that if something is related to an exposure, so in this case, we're looking at death.
So death is related to an exposure, and you would expect that the deaths would be sort of clustered or concentrated in the timeline near the exposure.
But if it's unrelated, And the deaths would happen any time across the timeline you're looking at.
So that's the intuition.
It's very simple.
And what we found was, first of all, for overall, I can stop there if you want to ask a question or continue also.
steve bannon
No, keep rolling.
Just keep going.
Just the methodology and what you came up with.
Here's just one question if I can start.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what CDC or the FDA or somebody, I think it's CDC, isn't this what they're supposed to do instead of just bombarding us?
If you're telling us this data was there from a year ago that you could pull together in Florida, you had to work it through.
Why didn't CDC come forward?
Why do we have to wait for the Surgeon General of Florida to come forward with Florida data, sir?
dr joseph ladapo
Well, I'm not at the CDC, but from everything I've seen, they're just incredibly corrupt.
They've just done just the most absurd things during this pandemic.
The cherry-picking of studies to, for example, push the mask agenda, especially among kids in school.
They've been so bereft of any integrity that I'm not surprised.
They don't, I'm sure they either don't ask questions that they don't want to know the answers to, or if they get answers they don't like, those answers get shoved in a desk drawer.
I have no doubt.
They're just profoundly, profoundly corrupt.
I mean, where do you start in terms of the examples over the past two and a half years of how corrupt they are?
So that, that's my sense, but in Florida, You know, we have a governor who has tremendous integrity.
It's one of the reasons I admire him.
I like him so much.
It's one of the reasons many Americans and people around the world like him.
And I myself have a lot of integrity.
So, shying away from the truth just to not tick off Pfizer or the public health establishment, that's not in my playbook and it never will be.
steve bannon
Let me just add two questions.
Number one, about the warning you put out, but are you prepared to sit down with CDC or did they contact you as soon as this thing hit on Friday and say, hey, can you fly to Washington right away or we'll send a team over and go through your data?
Have they reached out to you and tried to say, wow, this is this is interesting.
We didn't think about this or this is news to us.
Has there been any interaction?
with CDC that would allow them to see your data and research and allow them to reassess where they are?
dr joseph ladapo
Not that I'm aware of.
I mean we did release it late on a Friday and today I believe is a federal holiday so not that I'm aware of but there's still time.
steve bannon
I know there's a federal holiday but you're talking about let's go to your warning Talk about what's your recommendation.
I understand it's a federal holiday and they take off at noon on Friday from working in the government, but you're talking about human lives and particularly your biggest focus right now is young people's lives.
Am I correct in that, sir?
dr joseph ladapo
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right.
And in Florida, we've obviously been very busy, too.
You know, we've had Hurricane Ian to deal with, and I myself, I've been down in southwest Florida at some of our county health departments.
So, the devastation is tremendous.
So, certainly, there are other things and other really important priorities going on.
But this also affects everyone.
I mean, this is a national, really an international issue, since there are young people all over this world who are being told, specifically young men, to take these mRNA vaccines.
And what we found, when we looked at overall mortality, we found no effect overall
In the general population, but there was a reduction in overall mortality with the COVID-19 vaccines and people over 60, which is consistent with some countries that have, I think Denmark, for example, who basically steered away from recommending the vaccine for younger people and instead just recommending it for older people, which of course is not what is happening in this country from the CDC.
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But the most alarming thing we found And it was an isolated finding.
dr joseph ladapo
So we looked at different age groups, different sexes.
The finding wasn't present in any of the others.
So folks that are trying to find some way to weasel out of the reality of this finding, you're going to have to explain why it's only showing up in this group and not showing up in other groups.
We found that there was an 84% increase in the relative incidence, essentially the risk, over a 28-day period after the vaccines in young men, men between 18 and 39 years old.
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So 84%.
Enormous.
Just a huge effect on their risk of having a cardiac death.
And that was the major finding.
steve bannon
Tony Fauci, you know, he was on Colbert the other night.
These guys have been, put more emphasis on this for young people, for children and for young people.
And remember, for athletes, you couldn't, you couldn't, I think there's a lawsuit up in New York, you couldn't play any sports if you had to have vaccine.
They've put such an emphasis on using this as leverage.
You know, they got these emails now from the federal government saying, we got leverage.
We have extracurricular activity.
Let me go to Cortez.
Is your head blowing up, brother?
Given your personal stand on this?
group. Why is Tony Fauci not calling you up immediately?
Why is Fauci not calling you up immediately to, oh, we just lost Dr. Latipo. Let me go to Cortez. Is your head blowing up brother? Given your personal stand on this, people don't understand something. Steve Cortez is one of the most principled individuals I've ever dealt with in my entire life.
And when this brother says, no, this is what's right and this wrong, you can't budge him.
He's not budgeable.
Sir, given your fight, tell me what you see when you see this information put out by the free state of Florida.
steve cortes
Well, you know, Steve, the first thing is I am so grateful for Dr. Latipo and for Governor DeSantis, who I think is by far the best governor in America, for relying on actual science rather than narrative, for relying on the facts.
Rather than agenda.
And what we saw happen on Friday, you know, I hope everybody pays attention, what happened to Dr. Latipo, big tech censored him almost immediately.
And what we see there, Steve, this is the way the oligarchy works.
And we are descending into oligarchy in this country.
I think we can save it, but the clock is ticking and the hour is late.
We have to save it.
in less than a month now what we saw there was the whether they actively coll knew they had the same in big tech and big governm health administration, the I firmly believe this, that in time, the more people like Dr. Latipow tell us the truth about these experimental treatments, the more we learn about the vaccines.
here with deadly consequences for young Americans. Steve, I firmly believe this that in time the more people like Dr. Latipo tell us the truth about these experimental treatments, the more we learn about the vaccines. I think that in time the fact that tens of millions of Americans were coerced into taking these big pharma injections, Steve, it is going to be regarded as one of the gravest scandals in all of American history.
Because it was made a prerequisite for employment, for education, for sports, for so many aspects of civil life in this country.
And so many people who did not want this treatment, who did not need this treatment, were coerced into taking it.
unidentified
It's an absolutely grave scandal.
steve bannon
One of the biggest scandals in the history of this country.
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Steve Cortez.
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Okay, we have Dr. Joseph Latipo on.
He's the Surgeon General of the Free State of Florida with a blockbuster book out.
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Certainly they didn't reach out to me personally.
Polatopo, did Twitter, did the senior management of Twitter, did any of these social media oligarchs reach out to you and ask you for the backup analytics, to ask you about your study, to ask you about anything before they took you down, sir?
dr joseph ladapo
Certainly they didn't reach out to me personally.
I guess in theory maybe they reached out to the office, but I have heard no such thing.
But you know, this whole, I mean, it is really almost criminal really in terms of how much disregard that they have for...
unidentified
So...
dr joseph ladapo
For human rights that, and I'm not talking just about Twitter, but this whole body that thinks it's okay to crush the voices of others because you don't like their message.
Here's a message that this is not a message that is in our interest or in someone else's interest.
This is a message in terms of the data, the information that we were providing.
It's a message for people, for humanity, so that people can make informed decisions.
You want to do more research?
Terrific!
You think you've already seen enough evidence and you think our methods are persuasive to you that you Terrific!
Humans, people get to make those choices, but this body of tech and other forces that come in and silence people, they don't think human beings have the right to have free access to information that they don't want them to have access to.
So it's, I mean, it's, you know, Twitter, yes, but it's a huge deal.
steve bannon
Yeah, Dr. Latipo, just for a second, could you please, I know you're very humble and self-made, just could you walk through, just take a minute, walk through your academic training, sir, just I just want to make sure we get it on the record here again, just walk me through your training and your education.
dr joseph ladapo
Yeah, sure. So I went to, I have a degree in chemistry from Wake Forest University and I went to medical school at Harvard.
I also got a PhD in health policy at Harvard in a quantitative field, which made it easier to do studies like the one we just did because I have a background in statistics and biostatistics.
economic analysis and I was a professor at NYU and from there I was a tenured professor at UCLA.
I have I think I've won a total of four or five NIH grants and at the time I left UCLA for University of Florida I had four NIH grants so I was managing multiple clinical trials.
steve bannon
Dr. Latipo, I just want to, just on the record again, no one, as you know, from your office or to you, no one at these social media companies and particularly Twitter that took you down, nobody reached out and asked you for the backup or your professional opinion about the study you put out on Friday that they immediately took down?
dr joseph ladapo
No, to the best of my knowledge, they didn't contact anyone and they certainly didn't contact me.
steve bannon
Dr. Latipov, real quickly, where are you going to go from here on this study?
Because this is monumental and we have to make sure everybody in the nation reads the study, understands, can ask questions, and then, you know, so what are you going to do?
Where do you do with this study?
And where do you go from here in your research on this vital issue of national importance?
dr joseph ladapo
Well, we've issued a guideline, which is I think it's crazy to think that the benefit-risk equation is favorable for young people, young men.
That's just insane at this point in the pandemic.
And I think that we need more safety research, for sure.
And I think that we need more accountability.
Because the thing is if it had been known that it's absurd I mean this is what this is you know think of Vioxx and how that was pulled off when it was found that it was killing people it was giving it was giving people heart attacks and that those data were also hidden they weren't they weren't disclosed initially
So this is, this is not, it is not appropriate to be giving people a medication that, you know, a vaccine in this case, that increases their risk of dropping dead by, you know, over 80%.
That's not appropriate.
You know, you don't give people medications like that.
So we just, we need to get back to common sense.
And I want to say one other thing real quickly, Steve, about, about the book I wrote.
It's that, you know, what we're doing here and what I'm doing and certainly getting help from other people.
My wife is my partner in this in terms of, you know, helping me stay clear about how to kind of navigate all this.
I'm able to do that because of the investment, fortunately, I've made in Myself in terms of dealing with all the crap that we all have whether it's fear or self-doubt or you know for whatever the different things that we that we all struggle with and When you get those things out of the way so much more as possible But you can you can deal with the fact that people were having
Antrims online about a study whose results they don't like and not get tossed off target You know you can be very clear you can present data and not feel invested so that I want to share With with folks because it's something that more people can have access to to.
steve bannon
Dr. Latipo, how do people get to you?
How do they get to the study?
And they can go to Amazon to get the book.
The book is another great book from Tony Lyons and team at Sky Horse.
You got to read about this guy's journey.
He's fearless now.
How do they get to you on social media, sir?
unidentified
How do they get to this study?
Thanks, Steve.
dr joseph ladapo
They can go to Florida, the Twitter, it's Florida Surgeon General, and the book's on Amazon.
It's on a bunch of other sites also.
unidentified
And we'll keep doing what we do in Florida.
steve bannon
Dr. Joseph Latipo, honored to have you on here, sir.
Courage is the most important of all the virtues, because it is upon courage that all the other virtues rest.
That is Dr. Joseph Latipo, and that is the way they roll down the free state of Florida.
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