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Sept. 26, 2022 - Bannon's War Room

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Episode 2180: Populism Sweeps Italy In Election

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matthew tyrmand

08:02

steve bannon

19:07

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ben harnwell

03:13

joe kent

01:40

matt schlapp

04:01

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unidentified		We could do many more of these questions.
		The one we're doing today is about why the family is an enemy, why the family is so scary.
		There is a unique answer to all these questions.
		Why does it define us?
		Because it's our identity.
		Because everything that defines us in this time is an enemy.
		For those who would like us to no longer have an identity and that we were only slaves, perfect consumers.
		And then the national identity is under attack.
		It's under attack the religious identity.
		It's under attack the gender identity.
		It's under attack the family identity.
		I don't have to be able to define myself as Italian, Christian, woman, mother.
		No!
		I have to be citizen X, gender X, parent 1, parent 2.
		I have to be a number.
		Because when I'll be only a number, when I won't have an identity anymore, when I won't have roots anymore, well then I'll be the perfect slave in the hand of the great financial speculation.
		the perfect consumer.
		And this is the reason why this is the reason why today we are so scared.
		This is the reason why this appointment is so scary.
		Because we don't want to be numbers.
		We are here to say that we are not numbers.
		We will defend the value of the human person.
		Of every single human person.
		Because each one of us has a unique and unrepeatable genetic code.
		And this is what a sacred Noah likes.
		We will defend it.
		We will defend God, the Father and the family, who disgust someone so much.
		We will do it to defend our freedom, because we will never be slaves and simple consumers in the guise of financial speculation.
		This is our mission, this is why I came here today.
		Chesterton wrote more than a century ago, let's see if I can find it, Foghi verranno attizzati per dimostrare che due più due fa quattro.
		Spade verranno sguainate per dimostrare che le foglie sono verdi in estate.
		Quel tempo è arrivato, signori.
		Siamo pronti.
		Grazie.
		Joe, the victory of a party that has its roots in Italian fascism, plain and simple, the Brothers of Italy, it's called, Giorgio Meloni's party, is concerning to everybody.
		It accompanies, as you said, this move in Europe.
		Who could think that in Sweden?
		A party with right-wing neo-fascist roots would now be dominant in Parliament.
		In France, the right-wing parties would make such a strong showing under Marine Le Pen in their last elections.
		There is this populist rage that's sweeping across Europe, much as it swept across America in the 2016 election.
		I just would make two points of caution.
		The first is that in all the years I've looked at Italian political coalitions, one thing I've had to remind myself is wait and see.
		These coalitions tend to be very unstable and fragile.
		Maloney is in a coalition with Berlusconi and several others.
		Exactly how that works out is hard for me at this point to predict.
		There certainly are some dangerous, volatile pieces in that coalition.
		Second thing, as I look at Europe, is that Now, for 20 or 30 years, you've had a movement by ordinary Europeans who say, I'm not comfortable being governed from Brussels.
		I don't want to give up my country.
		I don't want to be part of something that's supranational.
		Every time that's put to a test with voters in France, where they were asked to support The new European Constitution.
		They rejected it.
		In Britain.
		Britain was so angry about the European Union, it left the European Union.
		And similarly now in Italy.
		The biggest appeal that Giorgio Maloney, the head of this new coalition, has is saying, we're not comfortable being governed by Brussels.
		We're Italians.
		Even to the point of saying we may not want to use the Euro as our is our money. That's not a new theme in Europe. It's one that's been building and building.
		And to some extent, it's because the people in Brussels who are part of the European Union just don't listen to ordinary folks. I hate to say that, but that's a part of the story we should remember. I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that Carrie Lake is not elected.
		So does that include campaigning for Democrats if that's what it takes?
		Yes.
		It does.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Right there.
		It's all the Uniparty.
		That's Liz Cheney, the neoliberal neocon, talking about Carrie Lake, who's running for governor, the populist who's running for governor of Arizona.
		Pretty stunning.
		David Ignatius finally admits that ordinary citizens of these individual countries David Ignatius is the Washington Consensus.
		by as Ben Harnwell, a head of our International Bureau at a Rome calls the sociopathic ho for Lords.
		David Ignatius is the Washington consensus.
		It's Monday, 26 September in the year of our Lord 2022.
		And obviously, we've had a massive earthquake happening in a political earthquake in Italy.
		We're gonna get to it We've got Ben Harnwell, Matthew Terman to break it all down for us.
		Also Matthew's talking about very disturbing you talk about elections We have another massive election coming up in Brazil before our 8th November.
		We're gonna get a lot to 8th November We got polling.
		We got Joe Kent.
		Joe Kent is the Cover story right there.
		Joe Kent, our own Joe Kent, is the cover story in the New York Times yesterday, the Sunday New York Times.
		We're going to get into all of that.
		Also, the precinct strategy.
		A lot going on.
		Matt Gaetz is going to join us later.
		John Solomon, the FBI.
		We're going to review the Katy, Texas.
		event on Saturday and also show you disturbing video about what's happening in Chattanooga and we're making a Gonna press the Chattanooga authorities why people are not being arrested for this.
		So we're gonna get to all that.
		Let's go to Ben Hartwell first I'll describe particularly for our podcast and radio audience who only heard the Italian version and couldn't see the subtitles as our TV cable satellite and streaming audience could Just give us a summary This is catching on fire.
		This is not the victory speech last night, but this is a speech from a little while back, but it summarizes the fight so brilliantly and why Georgia Maloney is so revered in many political circles, particularly the populist, nationalist, sovereigntist, traditionalist right.
		Give us a summary, and then I want to ask you where we stand with the actual vote count and the spread of the parliament.
		Ben Harnwell.
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼		Morning, Steve.
		Yeah, well, what she was saying was that this, this project of sociopathic overlords has zero resonance with actual living people or their hopes or their aspirations.
		She mentioned explicitly this project, which really sounds absurd, but it means so much, I won't say to the left, but to the driving force behind the left that makes it so militant and unelectable.
		This force on birth certificates, of removing the traditional father and mother, and replacing them with progenitor 1 and progenitor 2, which are terms that literally no real human beings use to describe themselves, with regard to the most important relationship of their entire human existence, that is, themselves and their kids.
		I mean, not even the people who dream these things up go to parties and introduce their kids and say, one of that boy over there.
		It's just meaningless.
		And yet, in just the most unbelievable lack of self-awareness whatsoever, these things have been forced on the political system by an extremely militant and radical and ideological minority.
		And that is one of the reasons why, as I say, it has no resonance.
		And in as much as it is absolutely correct to say that Georgia Maloney won this election, Equally, you should be able to say that the left lost it.
		Very low turnout.
		I think it was nine points lower than the election in 2018, which was a two-day election.
		The ballots were open for two days.
		This time it was only for one day.
		So the turnout was actually low this time.
		And one of the reasons was because nobody was interested in buying the product that the left had to offer.
		What had they done?
		And together with the mainstream media, the ever compliant mainstream media, they had portrayed Giorgio Meloni as being a far right fascist who was going to return the country basically to a weaker form of Mussolini.
		And that simply did not resonate with most ordinary Italians' perception of reality.
		To say nothing about resonating with their hopes and their aspirations and their fears.
		So the left basically stayed at home.
		And that is why Hang on for a second.
		She ran on God, homeland, family.
		What she was saying right there is that they're trying to break your identity.
		They're trying to take away our traditional identity, the family, the mother, the father, the children.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		of a second, she ran on God, Homeland, Family.
		Whatever she was saying right there is that they're trying to break your identity.
		They're trying to take away our traditional identity, the family, the mother, the father, the children.
		They're trying to break us as a nation to make sure we're just all one kind of, you know, indefinable mob.
		And it's all because they want us just to be consumers.
		All they care about is consumers.
		All the financial institutions, all they care about is what we buy.
		What we buy.
		It's very, very powerful.
		You know, to take away the spiritual.
		Take away what it really means to have a whole and full life.
		That you're just not some consuming unit.
		I want to go to Matthew Tierman.
		Matthew, we'll get back to Brazil and your great paper in a second about this election fraud, whichever in the United States should read.
		But I want to ask you, David Ignatius right there.
		Ignatius mourning Mika and Liz Cheney going after Carrie Lake.
		My point, this is what people have to focus on.
		It's all the same thing.
		This is the populist, nationalist, traditionalist movement on a global basis, whether it's in Arizona, whether it's in Italy, whether it's the Swedish Democrats.
		Now look, the particulars are different in each country, but the direction is that people just want control.
		They want to have control in their own They don't want these extra, you know, international bodies.
		And quite frankly, the overreach Brussels is to Italy is to Italy.
		The Italian people as Washington, D.C.
		is to Arizona, Montana, Texas.
		But for David Ignatius to say the quiet part out loud at the end, he's kind of doing a mea culpa.
		Matthew Tierman.
matthew tyrmand ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're 100% right.
		Something you just said made me think about the roots of the word fascist.
		If you look at the symbol in the teens and 20s, the fascist movement in Italy grew.
		It's fascia holding the wheat together to force a unity around one strong autocracy leadership.
		And that's what the EU is.
		That's what Washington is.
		That is, you know, federated, top down, Autocracy, as opposed to, you know, the great thing about America's states, right?
		You know, 50 laboratories of innovation.
		The great thing about Europe was Westphalian sovereignty.
		They created diplomatic frameworks to air their sovereign grievances.
		But now with the EU, everything comes from the top down.
		It's Brussels, it's Strasbourg, it's Germany, it's Berlin, it's German banking.
		uh... and alter matters and if you go to italy you don't spend much time there the cd italian culture is one of stubbornness of pugnaciousness of individualism uh... it's an emotionally i you know we talk about sweden verses italy a few weeks ago uh... you look at the debates in the swedish debates you have to be common compose in the italian about debate need to be fiery impassioned and nobody's more firing passion charismatic in georgia maloney
		I mean, here she is quoting Chesterton, one of the great classical liberal philosophers, writers, thinkers, and they're calling her a fascist.
		If anything, she is the antithesis of fascists.
		And it's those who are trying to cede the sovereignty and wrap them up in, you know, when you see the fascist symbol of the of the wheat tied together.
		That's what fasci is.
		And that's what the EU has done, and the people are rejecting it.
		Ignatius says, who could envision the people in Britain being this fed up that they would do Brexit?
		And who could envision this move to the right in Sweden and in Italy?
		Well, you know what?
		If you spend time on the ground talking to working class people, real people, who are not in positions of the crony boondoggle revolving door of government and high business, you can envision it.
		And then he actually walks it back and says, OK, maybe people don't trust being told what to do.
		And he hits the nail on the head in a moment of saying the quiet part out loud, self-reflection.
		It was actually kind of good to see.
		I'm surprised they didn't cut the mic on him when he started saying these things.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		The first part, though, was the real thing.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's concerning to everyone, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Ursula was at Princeton.
		Ursula was at Princeton talking about the weapons they have to go against Poland, your beloved Poland, and Hungary.
		But her message was really for the Italian voters.
		And supposedly there's some sort of meeting today or maybe some meeting of minds.
		Matthew, hang on.
		Ben Harnwell, hang on.
		We're going to come back.
		Ben's going to give us a breakdown really where the numbers are.
		Here's the other thing.
		Richard Burris is going to be on.
		In Italy, one of the reasons that the right won is that the left didn't show up.
		That is what is going to happen on November 8th.
		They're actually depressed.
		They understand the Biden economy is continuing to implode.
		They don't know if they're going to get their vote out.
		We win a massive victory.
		We destroy the Democratic Party as a national political institution if we show up.
		We have the issue set.
		We have to deliver that electric, and Richard Barris is going to walk us all through it.
		Then we're going to follow up.
		We've got Joe Kent and Matt Schlapp.
		Matt Schlapp invited Georgia Maloney over to CPAC to talk, okay?
		We're packed today, wall-to-wall, a lot to get through, including some capital markets and economics, all of it.
		Short commercial break.
		Matthew Terman, Ben Harnwell, Richard Burrus next in the War Room.
unidentified		We'll get through this and we'll move forward.
		I'm probably not as bearish as some people on the out year, because I do think we're in this boom-bust sort of environment, like the 40s that we've talked about forever and we've run this program.
		And so, you know, the sooner we can kind of get this thing resolved and the Fed gets there, I'm all for taking the medicine.
		You know, I'm a child of the 70s.
		Then do we come back down?
		Do we come back down in rates then?
		Or do we stay permanently high?
		Do you know what our debt service, are we going to be able to do anything else with fiscally when almost all of GDP is going to be, not all of it, but a lot is going to be spent just servicing the debt at much higher rates.
		And that's going to cause a slower GDP and sort of a permanent headwind for us.
		Well, that's right.
		I mean, but look, I mean, we've been in a world of financial repression for 15 years, right, since the financial crisis.
		We've had, you know, very generous monetary policy, negative real interest rates, and that hasn't served us well, right?
		I mean, I would argue that QE is deflationary.
		And in a world where there's too much debt, you're dead if that happens, okay?
		I mean, you need to have inflation.
		So we're getting, you know, we're getting the solution that we need.
		We're all looking for inflation to try and help.
		We just got more than we bargained for.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Denver.
		Right there, Joe Kernan, who's a, you know, a War Room fan, and we're a big fan of Joe Kernan's on CNBC, kind of the voice of reason.
		Right there, we've been talking about this and putting the concept out there of a sovereign debt crisis.
		We have $31 trillion face amount of Treasury.
		We have $9.5 trillion or $9.4 trillion on the balance sheet of the Federal Reserve.
		Make sure you take your number two pencil out and write this down in your notebook.
		If you're keeping notes at home, the servicing of this debt, is it going to explode?
		We're going to have massive fights after we win the fights.
		They're going to be on debt ceiling.
		The fights are going to come on what gets financed because quite frankly, we're running a one and a half to $2 trillion deficit pre-financing cost.
		Now you're going to add a financing cost.
		It could be as high as that.
		And how are you going to get out of it?
		Print money.
		I'm going to get back to Italy.
		I've got Harnwell, Richard Beresir with some amazing polling.
		Richard, hang on.
		I've got to go to Tiramont.
		And this talks to you about bromides don't work.
		Look, we're huge fans, Tiramont and myself, all of us, Harnwell, of Ronald Reagan, in particular what Reagan and Volcker did.
		But what the Tories did with the Chancellor, the Exchequer, whoever this guy is, to me was reckless.
		You can't go out and talk about unfunded tax cuts.
		You can't go out and talk about paying for people's electricity because you've basically cut off your energy.
		You can't talk about this unless you get to grips with what reality is, and that's what your balance sheet looks like, and what your debt is, and how you're going to finance it.
		It's now, I think, three times more costly in, you know, pre-her speech, Truss's speech on Friday than it was afterward.
		Tiermon, and that shows you what the United States has got to worry about.
		Right now, people are not lining up and saying, hey, you know, give me treasuries at a price.
		Things are exploding.
		The two-year treasury, I think, is at 2007 levels.
		This thing's exploding, and it's going to come back to how we finance this mess.
		Matthew Tierman.
matthew tyrmand ▲ ● ▼		Overnight, the U.S.
		dollar-British pound cross, it's known as cable because they used to send it across cable lines with the old systems of communication 100 years ago.
		It's the most important currency pair in history.
		Just hit one spot, 0.35, almost parity.
		That hasn't happened since the mid 80s, at the end of the Volker Reagan tightening cycle.
		That tells you that the moves that Truss has made in the last three days trying to channel her inner Thatcher, and we love Thatcher, but there's a time to cut taxes.
		To spur growth, and there's a time to retrench and protect your sovereign balance sheet.
		And she just put the British sovereign balance sheet at deep risk.
		And for what?
		To spur growth by cutting bankers' bonuses.
		Highest rate.
		45% on, you know, that highest marginal rate, over 150 or 200,000 pounds.
		That's a help to the City of London and the bankers.
		It's not a help to the, you know, black cab drivers around London.
		whose marginal rates are going to be roughly the same.
		They're going to go down from 20 to 19, de minimis, all because she wants to channel Thatcher and spur growth.
		Well, you know what?
		The headwinds that the British economy are now going to have in borrowing costs are going to negate any of this growth strategy that politically tried to push.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Chairman just hit it right there.
		Protect your sovereign balance sheet.
		People have to start worrying about the balance sheet of the United States.
		We've lived in a fantasy because the dollars export, it's the prime reserve.
		By the way, you can go to Birchgold.com right now, Ford slash ban and get the end of the Part one's the politics of money, because money's going to become a topic of politics day in and day out.
		Also the second, the fall of the dollar as a prime reserve currency.
		We're going to have to focus on, as Terman just said right there, protecting your sovereign balance sheet first.
		If the balance sheet implodes, it doesn't matter what you're doing on tax policy, because you're not going to have the industrial might.
		That's the other thing about Wall Street.
		I'm just telling people right now.
		And we're not telling you what to do with your money.
		We never do.
		We give, try to give macro analysis, but the earnings estimates are out there.
		I think are as close to fantasy as possible.
		It does not.
		It does not.
		Uh, it does not incorporate the reality.
		We are on Monday, the 26th of September in the year for 2022.
		And what's ahead of us, you talk about headwinds.
		We're about to hit a cat five, right?
		It, uh, Tiramont, give me a minute on that before I go back to Italy.
		Because what the British did is really the bromides of the Republican establishment.
		And bromides are not going to work anymore.
		We've got nothing but tough calls ahead of us and there's going to be pain.
		There is going to be pain.
		Any kid, anybody under 35 years old, they're voting for these Democrats.
		You personally deserve all the financial ruin that's in front of you because it is financial ruin that you face because of these radical policies of Wall Street, the corporatist, and the unit party led by radical Democrats, Matthew Tierman.
matthew tyrmand ▲ ● ▼		Uh, your your your statement about earnings estimates.
		They're starting to come down for the first time in a dozen years.
		What does that coincide with?
		The raising of rates.
		A lot of the earnings growth in the largest companies was built on the back of zero interest rate policy, which is now over.
		The S&P, the large cap companies, they will now start to see earning shortfalls.
		The stock market is at huge risk.
		We're starting to see the bear market be priced in in a more a more sort of continuous way than just, you know, V bottoms like we saw in 2020 or even what we saw in 2009, when everyone in the Fed, when the Federal Reserve and all the central banks came in and flooded global markets with liquidity.
		And kept rates down to near zero for more than a decade.
		And now it's time to pay the piper.
		So your sovereign balance sheets are at risk.
		And where are they going to get the shortfall from that?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		First off, forget the stock market.
		There's so many zombie companies out there that have high yield securities, debt that's above your equity.
		There's no chance they can pay this off.
		It's fantasy land.
		We're not telling you what to do, but when a guy right now tells you to buy the dip, do your own homework.
		We don't know if it's a dip or a chasm, okay?
		Matthew, hang on for one second.
		We'll go back to Ben.
		Ben, give us the just general breakdown of how this is going to go for Maloney and how she's going to govern.
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you want to look at the statistics, the House of Representatives, let's call it that, is the equivalent.
		seats and the center-right coalition has around 235 of those seats.
		The center-left coalition has 79, so that's a lot, lot less.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		And going to the Senate... But you're saying, but the point is the center-right has a majority, are they going to be able, but they don't have enough to change the constitution, right?
unidentified		That was what all the EU was worried about?
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼		They don't have the two-thirds The majority, in either house.
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼		In the Senate, of 200 seats, the centre-right has about 115.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Tiermon, should she immediately say, hey, we're going to go off the Euro and go to the Lira?
		Or is that too radical a move?
		Would the EU actually start parachuting bankers into Rome to put her in handcuffs, sir?
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼		Me or Matthew?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Did I lose?
		Now, Matthew Tierman, should she go off the lira right now?
		Should she go to the lira and go off the euro right now?
matthew tyrmand ▲ ● ▼		No, we have to be incremental about these moves to retain and regain sovereignty.
		A revolution would create pain for way too many citizens.
		You know, we're populist.
		We care about the people.
		We don't care about the bankers.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		We care about the people.
matthew tyrmand ▲ ● ▼		I've said this for years.
		the next shoe to drop in the inflection that Brexit caused.
		You had 70 years of agglomerated federalized confederacy in Europe starting in 1948, moving ultimately to the adoption of the euro in 2000.
		Britain wisely stayed off of it, understanding its own economics, thanks to Thatcher's advisor Bernard Connolly, who wrote The Rotten Heart of Europe, a great book, highly recommended for those economically minded.
		But Italy in 2000 had the most pain of any country who did the exchange rate mechanism and swapped their lira for euro.
		Overnight, the cost of milk, of eggs, of everything went up the most in real purchasing power parity.
		It hurt the people most.
		And the cab drivers, you talk to the people around Italy, they still remember.
		So they do understand that the euro has not necessarily been just a, you know, panacea of good things for them.
		That's before.
		Migrant crises and, you know, federated government from Brussels telling them how to live.
		I do believe that quiddily now, you know, the second shoe to drop in the inflection of the EU's power agglomeration could start to take root.
		But it does need more time.
		And I don't think they're going to be the ones.
		I don't think this government is going to be the ones to push it that much further forward, because they've got to leverage up with with the EU and they can now extract more concessions.
		Ursula von der Leyen saying we're going to weaponize our technocracy.
		Poland and Hungary and like they'll be going to Sweden.
		Italy's too powerful with too much leverage in its financial system to allow that. They'll be in the capital.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Hang on for a second. Okay.
		We're taking a short break.
		Come back around.
		Barris is going to talk to us about November 8th, where the numbers are breaking out.
		All the suppression polls are going to come out.
		Tiarma is going to be back about how they're going to try to steal it in Brazil.
		Everybody be on watch here, how they're going to try to steal it in Brazil.
		We got Matt Schlapp to talk about Maloney.
		We also have the great Joe Kent, John Solomon, Matt Gaetz.
		A lot going on here.
		Stick with us.
		Short commercial break.
		We'll be back in the War Room in just a moment.
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steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Spanin's War Room, Rome, later after the show today.
		We'll get you a specific time.
		We'll have a lot of analysis, detailed breakdown, and guests.
		And that is now going to be, I think, permanent after this election as Georgia tries to pull together a government and faces the EU and all the other crises of the world.
		Also, focus on the Vatican, right, now that they've jumped into the political fray.
		Okay, I've got, we're going to get to Barris momentarily.
		We've got this crosstabs from the ABC poll.
		Everything's about November 8th, there's no substitute for victory.
		We're going to get into the New York Times calling out the war room posse and a big editorial over the weekend.
		Of course, Joe Kent right there.
		Joe Kent was the cover story.
		And we're going to get to all that.
		I want to go to Matthew Tierman.
		Matthew, I only got a couple of minutes, but it's very important for the audience.
		This is about Brazil, this massive election coming up and what's happening about people getting jiggy now about is it going to be a free and fair election?
		You got a brilliant piece that's up.
		Walk me through it.
matthew tyrmand ▲ ● ▼		So as a lot of the audience remembers, as you know, I was at CPAC Brazil with Jason Miller one year ago, early September in 2021 with Match Lab, and we were detained at the airport by the Supreme Court.
		And the Supreme Court oversees a highly politicized organ, and they oversee the elections.
		They are at war with Bolsonaro and the Bolsonaristas.
		They have been installed by Lula and Dilma, two corrupt felons.
		Who were in bed with the CCP selling and plundering Brazil's natural resource wealth for cash in bags, laundering the money from car washes, the famous Operation Car Wash.
		So I wrote a very, very long piece about the Supreme Court, about the election, about where things stand, about 5,000 words on creative destruction media.
		Our friend Todd Wood, who's not afraid to be sanctioned alongside me by the Supreme Court.
		I don't know if I'll be doing my honeymoon in Brazil anytime soon, unfortunately.
		But this piece is a big breakdown.
		I broke through my shadow ban on Twitter.
		It's got like five or six thousand likes and seen like half a million times.
		So I'm going to be doing this podcast all week.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		This is a major piece.
		Yeah, this is a major piece.
		We're going to have you back on to break it down, because the next one on deck right now or coming up to the plate is Bolsonaro.
		Nothing could be more important in Brazil, particularly as the CCP and the way they're spinning it.
		Foreign Policy Magazine essentially has a CCP operative.
		Writing a piece how Bolsonaro is really the preferred candidate of the CCP.
		Just lies and misrepresentation.
		This is going to be as nasty as 2016 was in the United States.
		So, Matthew, how do people get to you?
		How do they get to the article?
matthew tyrmand ▲ ● ▼		Yep, and I call it the most important electoral battleground against global communism in 2022.
		More important than Sweden, more important than Italy.
		These are great, important elections that we're winning in.
		But in Brazil, one of the largest democracies in the world, one of the largest economies of the world, it is on the cusp of becoming a CCP vassal state if they successfully steal this election.
		I've been down there.
		Bolsonaro has tons of support.
		In an honest election, he'd win.
		Now it's like Pennsylvania and Philadelphia.
		You've got to win by 15 or 20 to overshoot the steal.
		It's on creativedestructionmedia.com, CDM Media.
		It's on my Twitter, on my getter, at MatthewTiermond, M-A-T-T-A-T-W-T-Y-R-M-A-N-D, and I know you and I will be talking more about it later this week.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		It's a big lesson for us, but you're absolutely correct.
		This is the CCP trying to roll in and take what they think is Liebenschramm.
		They want the resources, they want the Amazon, they want it all.
		And remember, it's the largest Catholic country, I think, in the world, in a massive evangelical base in there.
		That's Bolsonaro's Well, you know, Steve, she's come to CPAC here in America twice.
		We're getting into this very deeply now, the whole Brazilian situation.
		Let me bring in Matt Schlapp.
		He's taken CPAC to Brazil.
		He took CPAC overseas.
		He's had many of the leaders, Nigel Farage, the entire team, he's had Georgia.
		Give us your assessment.
		You had her here to CPAC to speak.
		Give us your assessment of her as a person and then what happened overnight.
matt schlapp ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, Steve, she's come to CPAC here in America twice.
		And when she first spoke, she was, you know, I would say, I would say she wasn't doing She was just getting started.
		And people said, wow, she's impressive.
		I wonder if she'll go anywhere.
		And sometimes I'm pessimistic on our chances and things.
		And she has just skyrocketed, as you know.
		The results put her in a really strong position, obviously, first of all, to put a coalition together of people that are roughly in the same zone.
		Ideologically, but she also is in the cusp of getting the number seat.
		She needs to really make the constitutional changes that need to be made.
		This is a warning shot coming from Italy.
		You know what the propaganda media does?
		And I learned this in Hungary.
		I met with lots of parliament members from across Europe and they said, The far-right phrase is what they use in Europe, call you a fascist, call you a Nazi, to call you an anti-Semite.
		The irony is all the anti-Semitism, most of it's on the left.
		They hate the state of Israel.
		They hated Netanyahu.
		They hated the Trump-Netanyahu relationship.
		And they just hate the state of Israel for all kinds of reasons.
		So they use this term far-right, which our American media is now picking up.
		Let me tell you what she is.
		She's pro-life.
		She's pro-Constitution.
		She's pro-family.
		And she's anti-globalist, and she fits right neatly in the term of what we call conservative here in America.
		So as people start reading this propaganda media saying that she's some kind of fascist, just remember, they've called us all fascists, or semi-fascists, or whatever they have this week for us.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		But here's where they're going to pivot.
		You bring a brilliant point.
		Here's where they're going to pivot.
		And I said this a couple days ago on our show in Italy.
		They're going to pivot now off fashion because they understand that's not sticking.
		It's going to be because of God, homeland, and family.
matt schlapp ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		This is the rise of Christian nationalism.
		You watch.
		They're going to be all over.
		This is Christian nationalism.
		And they always put white Christian nationalism.
		I can almost write the articles that are coming out in the next couple of days that she is something even more dangerous than the fascist.
		Right.
		This is the rise of Christian nationalism.
		You see it here.
		This is why the right in America.
		This is why she's invited to CPAC.
		This is why Bolsonaro with the evangelicals and the traditional Catholics down there.
		This is all you know, it's not the secular populist nationalist movement that was.
		This is now.
		She's the harbinger of the rise of Christian nationalism.
		Just when the articles, we'll put them all up when they come.
		But Matt, you agree, they're coming.
		Because fascism has not worked.
matt schlapp ▲ ● ▼		Didn't stop us.
		Mercy and I were reading all this coverage over the weekend, and if you're a Christian that believes that your Christianity or your faith should be a part of your personal life and doesn't translate into any of your policies, you're called center-right, right?
		If you're a Christian or a person of faith who believes in things like protecting the unborn child, Stopping the war on gender, stopping the war on the family, then you're far right.
		Everybody here should understand that's the lexicon, so you're exactly right.
		It moves into this idea, and CPAC's a part of this, the war room's a part of this, these entities that are pushing white nationalism, Christian nationalism, it's all their new way of saying, as you said, fascism, and it's amazing to me.
		So like, if you're just a go-to-church person who believes the unborn child deserves right, you're an extremist.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		No, extreme is she's for God, her country, and family.
		That doesn't seem all that radical.
		That doesn't seem all that radical to me.
		They're in full meltdown.
		That makes her a Christian nationalist.
		The worst of the fascists, right?
		Matt, how did they get to you?
		Go ahead, sir.
matt schlapp ▲ ● ▼		No, I was going to say, and you're so right, and Matthew's so right, this election in Brazil on Sunday, don't be alarmed if it goes into a runoff.
		A lot of my contacts are telling me, including my Brazilian-born vice chairman, Charlie Drew, that Bolsonaro's going to pull this out, but it could be with a runoff.
		And it's just another example of like, what do we make of polling?
		I mean, I'm getting to a point where I'm just not going to even look at it because it's make-believe.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Foreign policy actually has a huge article about Bolsonaro.
		Lula is a transnational criminal, been in business with the CCP for 25 years, right?
		He's their running dog.
		They're actually making the case, oh, Bolsonaro is the one that's going to turn Brazil over to the CCP.
		They're pulling out all stops because of the Amazon.
		They're pulling out all stops against Bolsonaro.
		They need to take Bolsonaro off the chessboard.
		So this one's going to be, we're going to do the whole run up to it, but it's going to be Very ugly.
		Matt, how do people get to you, particularly on Twitter, where you're on Truth, you're on All Together, all of them, but on Twitter, you're still not banned, and you come in a little hot.
		So how do people get to you on social media?
		Yeah, yeah.
matt schlapp ▲ ● ▼		At mschlapp on all the platforms, including Twitter, and I just want to say to you, Steve, I think I haven't talked to the Prime Minister-elect, as I'll call her, since her great victory, but I think we've got to find a way to have CPAC Italy.
matt schlapp ▲ ● ▼		I just think it has to happen.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		CPAC Rome, baby.
		I'm in.
		That's fabulous.
		Let's do it.
		By the way, you've had some pretty good calls.
		The Brazil thing was incredibly important.
		In heaven, these guys come over here.
		It was important.
		Going to Hungary, incredibly important.
		I can't speak enough about them.
matt schlapp ▲ ● ▼		I can't tell you how much these European conservatives, and really conservatives from all over the world, appreciate the wonderful conservatives in America who welcome them with open arms.
matt schlapp ▲ ● ▼		They go back to their country fired up, so let's keep it going.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Well no, this is the other thing too, like David Ignatius, he's sitting there mourning Joe, and they're all with knitted brow like this.
		This is the power of media.
		Breitbart does a good job of this, I think Worm does a good job, CPAC.
		When you talk, when you mention these guys like Maloney, or you mentioned, or Bonner, the people, our people are supposed to be in bib overalls, breathing through the mouths.
		They know the policies, they know what's happening, they know how sources, what's stored.
		The conservative MAGA movement in this country is so much more sophisticated on geopolitics and what's happening to the world.
		You can invite people and they're getting standing ovations.
		Orban came to Dallas and actually dominated.
		And people know the details.
		You go to Wall Street, they're sitting there with, what, who?
		What are you talking about?
		I mean, look at Morning Joe this morning.
matt schlapp ▲ ● ▼		I met with the volunteers.
		We had almost 200 volunteers at CPAC in Dallas, and Orban had that great line, the globalists can go to hell.
		I'm coming to CPAC in Dallas.
		Great line.
		I met with the volunteers afterwards.
		Once again, they didn't maybe have the money to buy a A ticket, but they volunteered and they listened to everything.
		I tell you how many of those volunteers came up to me and said, thanks for having the courage to let the Prime Minister of Hungary come speak to us.
		We need to hear that message here.
		We need his fight.
		I tell you, the American people are engaged.
		I completely agree with you, which is why November, don't believe it.
		It's going to be good stuff, man.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		We gotta deliver.
		Thank you.
		We're gonna get into the numbers right now.
		Thank you very much, Matt Schlapp over at American Conservative Union and CPAC.
		Let's go to Richard Barris.
		Richard, over the weekend, they're now nervous.
		Hey, have we calculated this right?
		But Vox and these other guys saying Biden's approval's up.
		In fact, ABC puts out this poll.
		Biden's approval's up.
		Abortion's starting to resonate.
		But then you look at the actual math.
		It is a blowout as far as generic ballot in the districts.
		Walk us through, take a couple minutes and walk us through the ABC and we'll hold you to the break to give more detail.
richard baris ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what they did this time too, Steve, which is why I sent the generic ballot graph that's our generic ballot, because we talked about this.
		There was a tightening.
		If you look just at the registered voter sample, you know, it's a Republican plus two, right in the ballpark of where ours was.
		You know, come that Labor Day pivot, you have to look at who's going to vote, who's going to come out to vote.
		The likely voter swells to a Republican plus five.
		Look at the top issues as well.
		There it is right there.
		Look, abortion didn't even come in the top three.
		Uh, among people are actually going to vote here, Steve.
		That's being fueled by the Democratic base itself.
		Young voters are not enthusiastic.
		The electorate is, you know, they actually, and I'm shocked I'm going to say this, but We're a little bit in agreement about what the electorate is going to be as far as the size of it and how Republican it's going to be.
		It looks a little bit shy of 2018 right now, which was a high turnout midterm.
		But the bottom line is, I told people this when we started showing them the trend in the generic ballot in our polling, which is that Republicans had a lead this entire year.
		And that once we pivoted into the silly season, we'd see some crazy polls, but once we got past Labor Day, it's going to do what it always does.
		Issues and fundamentals decide elections, not news cycles, you know, and who gets steamed over a Supreme Court decision.
unidentified		That's just not how a lot of work is being done.
richard baris ▲ ● ▼		The real shock here is that it takes an ABC News poll to get people to finally recognize what people who actually call elections correctly year after year have been saying all along, which is that eventually this is, you know, reality is gonna have its day and Republicans have been leading on the most important issues all year and that's going to dictate the outcome of this election.
richard baris ▲ ● ▼		One thing if I can, Steve, real quick.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you something. Hold on, hold on. Hang on, hang on.
		Hang on one second.
		I want people to savor it.
		ABC, Washington Post, Republicans hold 21-point lead on generic ballot in battleground districts.
		Republicans 55, Democrats 34.
		21-point lead, generic ballot.
		You don't see that in the headlines of the Washington Post.
		You see it in the war room, off of their numbers.
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steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		OK, welcome back. Let's go to Richard Barris, the buried lead in the ABC, up 20 in these battleground districts up 21 points.
		Republicans 55, Democrats 34.
		And we look at the issue set, they get wiped.
		I mean, historic spreads on the issue sets that matter.
		Inflation, the economy, crime, border security, immigration, all of it.
		Richard Beres, take it away, because right now it's nothing but suppression polls are trying to twist the numbers.
		Richard Beres.
richard baris ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the headline of that poll, Steve, is that 21 point lead in districts that have been identified as competitive by the fake forecaster, right?
		So if you're looking at a lead that's as big as solid and safe Republican districts in those battleground districts, then that's a 247 cracker.
		That's a wipeout.
		What do I mean by that?
		Historically, that's a ceiling for Republicans.
		In a year like this, especially after redistricting, we would expect them to be able to crack that ceiling if they're going to be able to do it.
		And if the Washington Post-ABC News poll is right, this is a wipeout.
		That's a wipeout in the House.
		And if you think that's not going to have an impact at the Senate level, even some of these gubernatorial elections, then think again.
		That's the making of a real wave.
		Now, I'm itching to get back in the generic ballot myself.
		People can help us do that.
		Go to BigDataPoll.com, scroll to the bottom, and let's get it going.
		But that is what I pretty much expected as we got into September and, you know, right up creeping on October.
		Some of these people had abysmal results in 2020, Steve.
		They're not going to want to blow the House vote this year.
		So it may take them a little bit to herd or what we call herding or mirroring, which is getting a more accurate result as we get closer.
		But again, I really can't stay in this enough, Steve, because this is it.
		The issues will determine how people vote.
		Nobody is going outside of the Democratic base.
		Nobody's going to vote on abortion over inflation.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		By the way, we're going to get to Kent in a minute.
		This whole article is about, it's her abortion versus his populist nationalism.
		Real quickly, Trafalgar in the state of Washington, are people getting their hopes up that they're spreading the battlefield to Washington, to Oregon, to Vermont, to Connecticut?
		We heard Alex DeGrasse at the NRCC starting to put in house races in Oregon, part of that driven by Joe Kent.
		But is this, just give me a heads up on this Washington poll.
richard baris ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, some of the Pacific Northwest districts that Alex was talking about last week are absolutely in play because of the dynamic there.
		And if you look at Patty Murray, two party primary vote share in Washington state has been extremely predictive when it comes to midterm elections.
		She only got 52%.
		So the real surprise shouldn't be that Trafalgar and really others should be showing a closer race than what most people would expect.
		The surprise is that So many forecasters are refusing to acknowledge you would expect this in a pro-Republican environment, which is what we're in.
		It's a first-term incumbent midterm.
		She got 52 percent.
		Anything below 55 is a bit of a warning sign.
		Anything above it, you kind of just leave it alone.
		It's a waste of money to go after her.
		She got 52.
		So Smiley's a great candidate.
		I really do think.
		You look at New Jersey, Steve.
		Look at Virginia.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		I think it's a real error.
		A great candidate for the area.
		Let me caveat that.
		Life's not perfect.
		Real quickly.
		How do people get to CD Media?
		How do they get to Big Data?
		How do they get to People's Pundit?
		How do they get to your locals?
richard baris ▲ ● ▼		cdm.press is where you can check out all of the big data polls that we've been doing with Creative Destruction.
		And then the generic ballot, that's the public polling project.
		People can help us out with that.
		They can go to bigdatapoll.com and then scroll to the bottom.
		You'll see how you can support it.
		And of course, follow me on Locals.
		The best place to follow everything I'm doing, which is peoplespundit.locals.com.
		There it is right there.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, brother.
		We'll have you back multiple times this weekend.
		A lot of polling numbers to go through.
		Okay.
		New York Times Sunday opinion page.
		Our own Joe Kent versus his opponent.
		And it's called Our Political Future.
		Right there, Our Political Future.
		I'm going to put this up, the shot of it.
		If you look inside, this thing's got to be, to understand the midterms, meet Joe and Marie.
		That big, huge spread.
		Okay, huge spread there.
		Let's get Joe Kent up to talk about this.
		Joe, I say that's free.
		The New York Times gave you basically, you know, millions of dollars of free earned media.
		What do you have to say?
		They come at you snarky, but when you look at it, I just don't see where your opponent does anything else but abortion.
		And also say that she supports all of Biden's economic programs, which has devastated your district.
		So tell me, why has the New York Times decided this is our political future, you versus your opponent?
joe kent ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, Steve.
		They're trying to give my opponents some free press, but in doing so, they're really just giving me some great earned media.
		So thanks to the New York Times.
		But really, they are terrified of the fact that we are running on a message of inclusive populism and American nationalism.
		They are terrified that we're out there on the stump talking about real issues.
		We're talking about the inflation.
		We're talking about the solutions to inflation, how Biden killed off our energy independence, and now Americans are suffering at every single level.
		We're talking about how one month of wages is being stolen from the American working family.
		We're talking about crime, how it's up on our doorsteps as a result of an open border, as a result of the policies of the Democrats at the national level, and then also here at the local level, who my opponent is running in lockstep with.
		She is in lockstep with Jay Inslee, Bob Ferguson, and the Democrats that are opening up our jails and releasing criminals.
		She is advocating for gender-affirming care, which is the mutilation and castration of minors, and she's blessed off on every single piece of legislation that Biden and Pelosi have pushed through that's destroying our economy.
		The Build Back Better, essentially the Green New Deal, and the Inflation Control Act.
		So really, they are terrified that we're talking about issues, so all they can do is call us extremists.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		How big is abortion?
		Is abortion the centerpiece of her campaign?
		Because it's kind of, if you look at her, and by the way, she's a fascinating individual.
		The reason The Times, both you two are fascinating individuals, is one of the reasons they picked her.
		So I'm not going after her on that angle, but it just seems it's a grab bag of policies.
		But is the centerpiece abortion?
		Is that what she's made with her advertising the centerpiece of her campaign?
joe kent ▲ ● ▼		Yes, she's running heavily on abortion being the number one issue.
		And she is in lockstep with the Democrats on abortion.
		And the Democrats are so extreme right now, it's ridiculous.
		The Democrat policy of killing a child up until the moment of its birth is so extreme that you have to go to the Chinese Communist Party or to North Korea to find a modern nation that has a similar policy.
unidentified		So when we discuss details, they really just can't stand on their own.
joe kent ▲ ● ▼		They have to go with abortion and try and just trigger the suburban white women.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Okay, hang on a second.
		I just want to hold you for a second.
		We got The Great Matt Gaetz is going to join us.
		Because I think there's a debate that's going to occur tomorrow night.
		We're going to get Joe Kent to heads up on this.

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