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Episode 2109: The Laptop From Hell Was Known To FBI And They Used Facebook To Suppress And Cover Up
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joe rogan
Democrats handle things when they're a big news item that's controversial.
Like, there was a lot of attention on Twitter during the election because of the Hunter Biden laptop story, the New York Post.
mark zuckerberg
Yeah, we have that too.
joe rogan
Yeah, so you guys censored that as well?
mark zuckerberg
So we took a different path than Twitter.
I mean, basically the background here is the FBI, I think, basically came to us, some folks on our team, and was like, hey, just so you know, you should be on high alert.
We thought that there was a lot of Russian propaganda in the 2016 election.
We have it on notice that basically there's about to be some kind of dump of that's similar to that.
So just be vigilant.
So our protocol is different from Twitter's.
What Twitter did is they said, you can't share this at all.
We didn't do that.
What we do is we have, if something is reported to us as potentially misinformation, important misinformation, we also have this third-party fact-checking program because we don't want to be deciding what's true and false.
I think it was five or seven days when it was basically being determined whether it was false.
The distribution on Facebook was decreased, but people were still allowed to share it.
So you could still share it.
You could still consume it.
joe rogan
So when you say the distribution has decreased, how does that work?
mark zuckerberg
Basically, the ranking in News Feed was a little bit less.
So fewer people saw it than would have otherwise.
joe rogan
By what percentage?
mark zuckerberg
I don't know off the top of my head, but it's meaningful.
But basically, a lot of people were still able to share it.
We got a lot of complaints that that was the case.
You know, obviously this is a hyper-political issue, so depending on what side of the political spectrum you either think we didn't censor it enough or censored it way too much, but we weren't sort of as black and white about it as Twitter.
We just kind of thought, hey look, if the FBI, which I still view as a legitimate institution in this country, it's like very professional law enforcement, they come to us and tell us that we need to be on guard about something, then I want to take that seriously.
joe rogan
Did they specifically say you need to be on guard about that story?
mark zuckerberg
No, I don't remember if it was that specifically, but it basically fit the pattern.
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peter navarro
Ah, the FBI, the FBI, the FBI.
Let's bring in Miranda Devine forthwith without any further ado.
Hey, Miranda, look, you have written the definitive book on this issue.
It's called The Laptop from Hell, and I urge everybody to buy First of all, how early did you get involved in this story?
Was it before the election took place?
Can you give us an idea?
I know that the New York Post lost its Twitter account, I think, over this.
What was your experience?
Can you just give us a chronology of your involvement and your take on what you think was going on with the social media?
miranda devine
You mean involvement with Rudy Giuliani initially in getting the laptop or are you just talking about the moment that we published on October 14, 2020?
peter navarro
The moment that you published in the post and then what happened in kind of the social media and does Zuckerberg's interview with Rogan give you a different perspective on what actually happened?
miranda devine
No, Zuckerberg's lying.
The morning that we published, we kept the story until... We normally publish the night before, you know, 10 p.m.
or so.
We kept this story until, I think, we published 5 a.m.
And at 11.10 a.m.
Andy Stone, who was Facebook's communication manager, came out with a tweet on Twitter saying that we have decided to suppress Let me get the exact wording.
He said, while I will intentionally not link to the New York Post, I want to be clear that this story is eligible to be fact-checked by Facebook's third-party fact-checking partners.
In the meantime, we are reducing its distribution on our platform.
Effectively, they censored it.
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Now, Zuckerberg saying to Joe Rogan, oh, you know... Do you remember what day that was?
miranda devine
Yeah, that was the 14th of October, 2020.
peter navarro
Okay, so this was like the critical time in the election.
This was a pivotal time.
We now know that if people had been informed fully about the laptop from hell, Trump would be in office.
Okay, so continue.
Go ahead.
So you think Zuckerberg lied?
How did he lie?
Are you saying that Facebook did it on its own?
And the FBI had nothing to do?
miranda devine
Facebook was the first.
Twitter followed Facebook.
It was Facebook.
And, you know, Zuckerberg saying, oh, well, we didn't, we weren't quite as harsh as Twitter, because Twitter locked our account for two weeks and only reopened the New York Post account a few days before the election.
But, but Facebook was suppressing the story just as badly.
I've had so many communications in the last 24 hours from people who said they couldn't even share it with themselves to read on another device.
So, you know, there's no distinction between the two and Facebook was number one.
And Andy Stone, the Facebook communication manager, who sounded the alarm, who set everybody in train to censor this story.
He is a former, he worked for a Democratic super PAC, he worked for Barbara Boxer, he worked for the John Kerry for President campaign.
He's a Democratic operative, as there are so many of them in Facebook.
And so he was doing, he was sending a signal by going on to Twitter, to everybody, to Twitter, to the New York Times, to the Washington Post, do not touch this story.
This story is dirty.
And then the other intriguing part of Zuckerberg's very oily conversation with Joe Rogan was when he's asked, was the FBI warning that you received before the election about Russian disinformation, was it specifically to do with this story, like before our story came out?
And he said, Oh, I can't remember.
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Now this is not something you would forget.
miranda devine
So that's just a dead giveaway that he's not telling the truth.
And that is very interesting because what his conversation with Rogan tells us is again, the FBI, it's another point of light for the FBI, Putting their thumb on the scale.
And they did it from, there's an anti-Trump cabal within the FBI, in the Washington field office, which has been working against Donald Trump since before he was elected in 2016, continued on through the Russia collusion hoax and the Mueller investigation, trying to leave some sort of a cloud over the president, crippled his presidency.
And then you can follow that trail right up into the 2020 election when, in August of 2020, when Ron Johnson and Chuck Grassley were doing really manful work on the Biden corruption influence peddling scheme that was being ignored, introduced.
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They were ambushed.
miranda devine
Ron Johnson was ambushed with this FBI so-called defensive briefing to warn them about Russian disinformation.
And Ron Johnson, a few minutes into this conversation, could smell a rat.
He said to the agents who were there, this is absolute BS.
This is completely irrelevant to our investigation or any of the witnesses we're subpoenaing.
So if I see this in the media, I will know what the game is.
And this FBI defensive debriefing came straight hot on the heels of Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Chuck Schumer, kicking up a stink about the Johnson-Grassley investigation because they knew that they were getting very close to the heart of that corruption that the Bidens had been doing around the world during Joe Biden's vice presidency and beyond.
And so the FBI then gave the debriefing and sure enough, the next minute you've got the New York Times, Washington Post running leaks about how Johnson and Graslie are peddling Russian disinformation and the FBI had to warn them about it. And then you fast forward from August to October of 2020 and that's when we now know, thanks to the FBI whistleblowers that have come forward to Chuck Graslie, that there were two FBI operatives.
There was agent Timothy Tivolt, and there was FBI analyst Brian Orton, both in Washington.
And they were suppressing, according to the whistleblowers, any investigation into the Hunter Biden laptop, which the FBI had had in its possession since December 2019, almost a year.
So that was the next time that they put their thumb on the scale.
So, you know, pardon us for being skeptical when we're supposed to trust the FBI now that they've raided Mar-a-Lago, you know, unprecedented invasion of a former president's home, when they won't release the affidavit.
I'm sure when we see it, it'll be completely redacted to insignificant.
And they refuse to tell us what information they're looking for.
So again, what do we see?
Leaks from the Department of Justice.
peter navarro
Let's stay just a minute with this whole social media stuff.
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So, so is it?
peter navarro
Are you saying that Twitter and Facebook would have suppressed the laptop from hell anyway or did it on their own volition?
Or are you saying that the FBI went to them and was part of kind of the conspiracy?
I mean, what's the timeline on that?
Zuckerberg says the FBI came to them before they did the suppression.
Do you believe that?
Is it relevant?
I mean, what's Zuckerberg's game and why did he wait to 2022?
miranda devine
Why would Zuckerberg lie about the FBI coming to him?
Because that is a get-out-of-jail-free card for him, you see.
And if he lied about it, the FBI would make it known.
And we know that the FBI was going around briefing people before the election of, you know, defensive briefings about Russian disinformation.
I just told you about with Bradley and Johnson.
So I think what happened is that Jump on Mac Isaac, just wind back to December 2019.
He's had the laptop now since April, and he's disturbed about the content he's seen on it.
It is legal possession because Hunter hasn't picked it up and he's worried about it so he does the right thing.
He contacts the FBI and he tells them that there's information on there that is disturbing and potentially criminal in nature and he thinks also that it could be exculpatory for Donald Trump in what was going on right at that minute was So, the FBI has this information.
Ukraine. And John Paul MacIsaac knew that there was a lot of material about Biden corruption with regard to Ukraine. And so the FBI has this information.
John Paul MacIsaac says that when one of the agents was leaving his shop with the laptop and the hard drive, he turned around and made a comment that John Paul MacIsaac thought was sinister, thought might have been a threat.
And basically saying, you know, people that keep their mouths shut don't get into trouble.
And then we know that the laptop just sat there and nothing was happening with it.
But we also know that the FBI was monitoring, they had a secret warrant into Rudy Giuliani's cloud.
And so whether or not they caught on to the fact that John Paul Mac Isaac had contacted Rudy Giuliani and given this very eloquent email about the information he had that Bob Costello, Giuliani's lawyer, intercepted, we don't know.
But at some time after that, the FBI went into overdrive with their Russia disinformation warnings.
Now, what really we want to know is, were they warning that it was going to be something to do with Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, a laptop, a big dump?
I mean, that's what Zuckerberg says, a big dump.
And he tries to backtrack after that.
peter navarro
Yeah, he was intentionally, he was intentionally obtuse about what exactly he was being asked to suppress.
I noted that.
Morenik, can you hang on for the next segment here?
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We've been talking with Miranda Devine of the New York Post.
And here's the chilling picture that Miranda Devine has presented to us.
And she's got street cred on this because she wrote the definitive book on The Laptop from Hell.
In fact, it's called The Laptop from Hell.
Get it today on Amazon.
What she described in the last segment should chill the hearts and souls of every American.
She described an FBI which, seemingly on a sustained basis, has coordinated its
attempts to take out Donald Trump, that's as gently as I can put it, with both the mainstream media, the New York Times, the Washington Post, on the one hand, and then the social media, Zuckerberg at Facebook, the Twitter folks, in ways designed to spread misinformation, suppress information, and thereby
Swing the election in favor of Joe Biden, which I mean if you think about the definition of insurrection Those guys are armed at the FBI and that what they did was they engineered an insurrection They got rid of Donald Trump.
So I got a couple of questions for you, Miranda.
Is it a Your view, as I've said it, that the FBI works closely with the media and social media on its disinformation campaigns.
And secondly, and more importantly, is this a rogue operation within the FBI by an identifiable small group of agents, or is this just endemic to the culture at the FBI?
Miranda?
miranda devine
Look, I would hope that it's the former.
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But it looks like it's throughout the FBI.
miranda devine
I mean, you just look at the Gretchen Whitmer entrapment case in Michigan, and you see how the guy who was the lead agent on that disastrous case was then promoted to the Washington field office to take charge of the January 6th investigation, which is the largest investigation in FBI history.
That's absurd.
I mean, this was, you know, it was terrible what happened on January 6th.
The violence was appalling.
But it was a riot that went on for a few hours.
And America had just lived through months of rioting in the summer of 2020 leading up to the 2020 election as a deliberate political ploy to sow chaos and make Donald Trump look bad.
I have grave fears and I mean people I know ex-FBI agents.
You mentioned in the earlier segment names.
Obviously, there are lots of very good FBI agents who are still there and keeping their heads down.
But, you know, there's talk that a lot of the conservative agents were basically fired or shuffled out or demoted, and a whole lot of young crew of radicals was hired.
And maybe that's what it is.
peter navarro
Have you, as the New York Post, you mentioned in the earlier segment names, you actually named names.
Has the New York Post done anything to compile kind of a matrix of FBI agents with their names who participated, for example, in the raid in Mar-a-Lago or putting me in leg irons or going to Facebook and Twitter or leading the raid on Roger Stone or being part of the Russia hoax?
I mean, it seems to me that if we were able to look at that matrix, And see who the agents are.
It's either a small, powerful group or it's much larger.
So I would ask you, has there been any effort at GERD Journalism to do that, Miranda?
miranda devine
Yeah, not graphically.
We've written plenty of stories, but you're right.
It really needs to be a kind of a heat map and the matrix of connections between these people.
And it is possible to do that.
I mean, Chuck Graslie and Ron Johnson and James Comer have been putting out letters and in dribs and drabs, you're getting a few names here, a few names there.
We had names of a couple of the FBI agents who were involved in the Mar-a-Lago raid.
came out in some of the documents that were released.
And so, you know, it should be possible. I might do it.
Just piece together who's who. I have a list of who's who so far. I haven't got a lot of names yet.
But it's certainly there is, there seems to be a cabal, a group, and they seem to be centered in the Washington field office.
And they've become politicized.
At the very least, you'd say they are politicized.
peter navarro
Let's do journalism.
Let's do a little journalism on the fly here too, because what I've learned is that there's at least one or more people who were at the FBI who have migrated over to the Department of Justice and are now working on investigations related to Mar-a-Lago or me or whatever as part of, yeah, it's kind of like, how does that happen? Like, how
can that be that the FBI now has people over at the DOJ? Have you tracked any of that at all? Do you know, have you seen any of that?
miranda devine
But I do know that Obama people, Lisa Monaco, and I can't remember the name of her deputy, they were involved in the Russia collusion era at the tail end of the Obama administration.
peter navarro
Lisa Monaco was at the FBI and now she's at DOJ, right?
miranda devine
And her deputy, again, same thing, and he had to resign from the DOJ over the initial warrant from Takata Page.
I mean, sorry, when I say he had to resign, he just voluntarily resigned himself as that was becoming a bit of a hot potato.
And now he's back as Lisa Monaco's deputy.
Can't remember his name.
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And where do you place Chris Wray in all of this?
peter navarro
Chris Wray is like, The head of the thing.
Is he, like, the useful idiot for this cabal?
Yeah.
miranda devine
I think he's just weak.
You know, he's a pretty boy.
I think he really has no idea what's going on below him.
And look, the FBI is a very difficult monster to tame because, you know, dozens of field officers all over the country.
And Chris Wray boasts about how he takes the FBI's private jet, which he uses to go on holiday in, and he flies all around the country and visits these field officers and has a discussion with them, you know, very open, and everyone can tell him what they think, and then he gets back in his plane He thinks that that's enough, but it's not.
He's been told, he knows.
Just if you looked at the letters that Chuck Bradsley and Ron Johnson have sent him, they've given him fair warning about the rot within his agency.
peter navarro
Doesn't Chris Wray have to sign off on all of these things?
I mean, wouldn't he have had to sign off?
On Mar-a-Lago, putting me in leg irons, Roger Stone, Raiden Stone, I mean... Everything!
And by the way, on the Pretty Boy thing, I love that, I described Chris Rea as the only guy who has better hair than Steve Bannon, but back to you, Miranda.
miranda devine
Yeah, and the thing about Chris Wray is that he comes before these Senate inquiries and he's glib, he bats everything away, he spends half the time defending the men and women of the FBI.
It's not about that.
Americans are not, conservatives are not anti-law enforcement as Christopher Wray and Merrick Garland and the Democratic Party are trying to make out.
They're pro-law enforcement and nothing's changed.
But they're not pro-democracy.
Crooked law enforcement.
And when you have an element, at least an element, maybe the whole culture of the FBI showing itself to be rotten and politicized, then of course you have to root that out.
Rooting that out is being for law and order, not against it.
peter navarro
I mean, that's a big accusation, that the FBI now, as it's presently constituted, is acting, they've weaponized their investigatory powers in a partisan way.
But you stand by that.
I mean, we've seen enough evidence now.
This latest thing, after Mar-a-Lago, this latest thing would seem to be the nail in that coffin, would it not?
I mean, how dare they?
miranda devine
And what I'm saying is not an unusual view.
Rasmussen Poll, a couple of weeks ago, found that a majority of Americans, maybe not a majority, but about 50% of Americans felt that the FBI was acting as Joe Biden's, quote, personal Gestapo, which was a quote from Roger Stone.
So, the FBI's reputation has plummeted, and it's plummeted not because, you know, people at the New York Post or at War Room have been criticizing the FBI.
It's because of what the FBI has done itself.
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Done.
miranda devine
You know, the Gretchen Whitmer trial.
Fiasco is a perfect example of that and there are so many unanswered questions.
Revolver News has done a great job of looking into the pipe bomb mystery.
Those pipe bombs on January 6th planted at the DNC and the RNC headquarters.
We've never heard anything about them and yet the FBI has all that forensic firepower.
Surely they could have found something, a fingerprint, A fingerprint in whatever gunpowder is in there.
They've got CCTV footage.
peter navarro
Miranda, sadly we're going to have to end our time together, but I want to give you the last 20 seconds or so.
I want to recommend Laptop From Hell.
Everybody get that on Amazon right now.
Read Miranda's column at the New York Post.
It comes out a couple of times a week.
And Miranda, what's your best way to follow Miranda Devine?
miranda devine
Yeah, at Miranda Devine on Twitter.
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miranda devine
And also, at the risk of log rolling, look out for Peter's book coming up, which will be great, the sequel to In Trump's Time, Trump Time.
And also, I'd just like to say that of all the people in America, I think Zuckerberg is the most responsible for Joe Biden being in office.
peter navarro
All right, there's some breaking news there, too.
Miranda, thanks for your time.
We'll be right back in the War Room.
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Peter K. Navarro in for the great Stephen K. Bannon. We're going to shift gears now and talk with the great Dr. Robert Malone about an issue which I've been fighting side by side with him dating back.
I think our first article in the Great Washington Times was in July of 2021, where we laid out essentially exactly what has happened with respect.
To the vaccine, whereby we said at the time it should be used parsimoniously only with people who had the highest risk, senior citizens, people with comorbidities.
Otherwise, you would run the risk of creating vaccine resistant mutants and all hell could break loose going forward there and In a series of three articles in the Washington Times, and salute Kelly Sadler there as the editor who helped, we identified a number of severe side effects, including myocarditis for young men.
And now we're in a situation where the government, Fauci, Biden, et al, continues to double down Triple down, quadruple down on the need for boosters.
At the same time, data is coming in from all over the world that says that we ought to walk away from that vaccine immediately.
So that's kind of the chessboard.
Doc Malone, did I get that sort of right?
And what's the state of play now?
What do you want to share with the posse today about this sad situation?
dr robert malone
Peter, as usual, you summarized it succinctly and accurately.
All I can do is fill in some of the granularity.
The data from all over the world is demonstrating that those that are highly inoculated, I'm using that word rather than vaccinated for obvious reasons, are the ones that are being most frequently hospitalized and dying.
Now, there are those that take issue with that and they're picking around the edges saying, well, It may be because the elderly are the high risk or the more highly inoculated, but no matter how you slice it.
It's now clear that the vaccines are not not only not protecting against infection, replication and spread, but they are also not effective in protecting against severe disease and death.
That's unequivocal.
The Pfizer and Moderna have both launched new products, which have at least two different spike proteins, one being the original Wuhan-1, which is the one that so many people have been inoculated with repeatedly, and the other one is with a Omicron variant, which they assert will protect against BA5.
This has now been authorized under emergency use in the UK.
So in this case, instead of Israel, the citizens of the UK are being the guinea pigs on this product, and that's the Moderna version.
In our case, we've already purchased over $4 billion worth of these products, and they will be rolled out and administered.
The government hopes to do that before the election.
And they assert that these are going to be more effective, but they will not perform any clinical trials prior to the deployment.
And that is by allowance of FDA and CDC.
So no clinical trials, new composition of matter, hoping that some data comes out of the UK to support the safety.
But all over the world, the data coming in that the highly inoculated are getting more disease And more death.
And as an expert in this area, my assessment... Doc, stop right there because that's really the crux of the matter here.
peter navarro
Why do you think, it's not just that the vaccines not working to prevent infections and symptoms, why do you think People have a greater probability in some cases of dying if they're vaccinated.
You're the, you're the scientist.
What the hell's going on there?
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That's like weird or not.
dr robert malone
So the FDA has acknowledged from the outset, the risk of antibody dependent enhancement.
And that is a hard, that's a hard thing to prove.
What we have are the clear data of the clinical effects and a huge amount of data about original antigenic sin or immune imprinting, which the government has completely ignored.
But now, recently, there's been one small article that was overlooked, published in the Washington Post, that acknowledge the problem of original antigenic sin, which is kind of a synonym to immune imprinting.
So this is the problem that we spoke about here on The War Room, and I also testified in the Texas Senate, you know, quite, it seems like forever ago, at least two months, it seems like.
And now it's starting to be acknowledged, but you'll recall I said back then that I would absolutely not advise anyone take these products and that they look like the perfect storm for making this problem even worse than it already is.
peter navarro
And now there's... So, Doc, again, for the posse out there, we're lay people here, this original antigenic sin, as I understand it, not well, but it's the idea that whatever type of vaccine you get, you run the risk of it kind of
Imprinting your immune system in such a way going forward that, number one, it can't be undone, and number two, it may make you more susceptible to variants of the virus, and therefore, that's dangerous.
Is that originally antigenic sin?
Is that it?
dr robert malone
Yeah.
Peter, the easy way to think about it is that in all of us, and classically in military, We're biased by our prior experiences.
Hence the Maginot line in the French with the German Blitzkrieg is just one great example from history.
The same is true with your immune system.
Your original exposures to a vaccine or a pathogen will bias all of your subsequent immune responses.
And that bias that was created in people that were either infected with Wuhan-1, like I was, or have been repeatedly vaccinated in particular with anti-Wuhan-1 spike drives kind of a focus of your immune system towards that.
And Wuhan-1 no longer circulates.
And so it's been shown in multiple papers, most notably in a science paper that was a study of of health care workers in the UK, that if you have infection, particularly with Wuhan 1, and then this subsequent boosting, boosting, boosting, it creates a situation where if you get hit with Omicron, you actually have far worse outcomes and worse immunologic response
than people that never got reboosted like that.
So that's what's going on.
And that is, there may be other things that are going on.
I'm not saying that... Is there an autoimmune response problem?
peter navarro
The autoimmune thing is where your body can overreact to something.
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I think... So autoimmunity is another problem.
dr robert malone
So there's so many problems now with the effects of these vaccines that it's easy to get them all mixed up.
The autoimmune problem is complicated and multifaceted.
One of the aspects is that spike protein binds to many different cells and platelets, and it can act as a foreign antigen that will cause your body to see your normal antigens as if they're foreign.
So this is a classic way that autoimmunity happens and the consequence of this particular problem is observed in the patients that develop an autoimmune thrombocytopenia.
That means that their body is attacking their platelets.
peter navarro
Are we seeing that as a problem with the vaccines?
dr robert malone
Has been a problem with the vaccines and noted as one of the adverse events almost since the beginning of the rollout.
But again, another thing that's denied by the CDC, as has been the case with so many others.
peter navarro
Is there anybody, let's take the general population now, who should get the vaccine, if anybody, and who should not at this point, based on what we know?
We'll call it the inoculator, because we know When you said it's inoculates, not vaccines, we know it's not a true vaccine.
But if you're the head of the CDC or NIH right now advising the president, what do you tell him, Doc?
Do you tell him nobody should get it?
We need a moratorium now?
Do we say give it to only the most vulnerable?
Where are we at now with a situation which is becoming increasingly an existential threat to the world population?
I don't think that's an over-exaggeration.
dr robert malone
No it's not.
So I don't have to rely just on my judgment.
I represent over 17,000 physicians and medical scientists and we came out with a clear unequivocal press conference statement a few months ago in which we said unequivocally the data are now sufficiently compelling that we believe that these vaccines are not indicated for any population and should be withdrawn.
peter navarro
That's a serious, serious policy shift.
And the reason why we're talking about this today, frankly, is because we had this strange thing happen on Capitol Hill where this subcommittee on the coronavirus went after me and President Trump.
They went after President Trump.
They now want to blame President Trump for all the Bad side effects of the virus up on Capitol Hill, even as the White House and people on Capitol Hill continue to push for the virus.
So that's why we're talking about it.
Do you see any Democrats wanting to declare a moratorium?
Any Republicans?
Are we essentially a fringe group still at this point, despite the fact we've been right every step of the way?
dr robert malone
So thank you.
Dr. Navarro, as you know, just because things are true doesn't mean anything in the environment of the Kabuki theater that goes on in environments where a single party controls the government.
This is not a partisan issue.
It should not be a partisan issue.
It has been politicized.
Actions by that subcommittee, including their attacks on Scott Atlas, clearly demonstrate this ongoing effort right now to rewrite the narrative and to scrub any information on the internet that is contradictory to the narrative or which would point to duplicity or guilt on the part of any members of The current administration.
I hesitate to call it the Biden administration.
Doc, this should not be partisan.
peter navarro
I want to stop you now simply to give you, we got like 20 seconds.
I want everybody to know how to get to Doc Malone, particularly his Substack.
Doc, it's always great to talk to you.
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How do people reach you?
dr robert malone
Please do follow.
You don't have to pay.
Follow our account at substack at rwmalonemd.com.
Our getter account at RWMaloneMD is always the first place I go to to post new information.
peter navarro
Sir, you are a patriot.
You've been right.
And I'm sad that you and I have been right on this subject, but push is coming to shove.
I'm Peter Navarro in for Stephen K. Bannon.
We'll be back.
And we're going to end this show with a tribute.
And everybody, please stay.
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War Room.
Peter K. Navarro in for Stephen K. Bannon.
It's a somber day.
is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room, pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
peter navarro
Peter K. Navarro in for Stephen K. Bannon.
It's a somber day.
It's the one year anniversary of the Kabul Airport terrorist attack.
Americans died, but the sad news here even more is that more Americans may well die.
And we wanna bring in Sam Faddis right now to describe the dangers in the wake of the irresponsible way in which the Biden regime exited from Afghanistan.
So, Sam, on this somber day, tell us what your concerns are.
sam faddis
Well, look, we all know that there needs to be an accounting for the disaster that happened a year ago, right?
There are a lot of people that need to be held to account.
The immediate danger is this, the immediate problem.
As much as we'd like it to, Afghanistan did not go away.
It's a terrorist super state now.
It's got billions of dollars in U.S.
money.
We're talking, for the love of God, about releasing to them $7 billion in frozen funds.
The Taliban and Al Qaeda are virtually indistinguishable, right?
He hit Zawahiri.
He was living in a guest house provided by Siraj Haqqani, one of the top Taliban leaders.
These guys have money.
They got resources.
They got a platform from which to launch attacks.
Their agenda has not changed.
And we have virtually no capacity to inhibit what they're getting ready to do.
So the bottom line is we're going to get hit and people are going to die.
That's the sad truth.
peter navarro
And what kind of hits are we talking about?
Obviously not kind of conventional warfare.
Are we talking about Osama bin Laden type terrorist attacks?
sam faddis
Yeah, look, the hallmark of Al Qaeda and groups that have followed its path was to declare war on what they call the far enemy.
That's us and everybody that stands with us.
In other words, explicitly, the battle is not to be fought there.
It is to be fought here.
That's what 9-11 was all about.
At the time we went into Afghanistan in 2001, Osama had multiple biological weapons programs underway.
was pursuing chemical weapons and was in contact with senior, former senior nuclear scientists from the Pakistani nuclear program and discussing the construction of an atomic bomb for al-Qaeda.
9-11 was never intended to be the end of anything.
His ambitions at that time were to follow along with attacks that would make 9-11 look like a good day.
That remains their ambition, as sick and twisted as that is.
The only reason it hadn't happened is because for 20 years we've stopped them.
Now we're not doing that anymore.
We're giving them breathing space.
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The result is inevitable.
peter navarro
Can you take us back to that day a year ago and explain to the War Room What exactly happened?
How many people died?
And how it could have been prevented?
sam faddis
Right.
Well, the immediate cause is a suicide bomber, right?
Who detonates in a crowd and we end up losing 13 U.S.
servicemen.
I believe 12 Marines and one U.S.
Army person, if I remember correctly.
But the broader context in which this happens is You have placed everyone, by that point, in a completely untenable position.
That airport sits in the bottom of a valley surrounded by high ground.
We had pulled out our forces, given up Bagram, and allowed everybody to come in, in mass numbers, crowded around, and virtually onto the airfield.
Well, in some cases, onto the airfield.
So, the miracle out of that is not that 13 people died, as horrifying as that is, The miracle is that we didn't end up losing one heck of a lot more people.
The 18th Airborne Corps, when they were tasked to handle the evacuation, explicitly drew up a plan saying we need to hold on to Bagram Air Base because we have to have a base of operations, we have to have troops in the ground.
They even put together a plan after we gave up Bagram to jump back in and retake it to handle this.
The Biden administration intervened and said, no, here's this completely militarily untenable situation.
We're sticking you in it.
Good luck.
That's that's precisely what happened.
peter navarro
Do you know how many acres the footprint of Bagram is?
I'm thinking, I mean, there were so many American weapons that U.S.
taxpayers paid for.
That we essentially gifted to our enemies.
It would have been impossible to store a lot of that material on the Bagram Air Force Base if we had held on it?
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Sure.
sam faddis
I don't know off the top of my head what the exact footprint is, but it's a very large installation.
It was originally built by the Russians, obviously, when they were in Afghanistan, dramatically expanded by us.
If you wanted to, you could make it impregnable.
Also, by the way, you know, you can destroy things that we don't take out.
I mean, if we can't put everything on a plane and we can't safeguard it, you can at least blow it up and render it unusable to the enemy.
That's a relatively simple thing to do.
And by the way, since we have complete control of the air, every day that passed after we left Afghanistan, we made an affirmative decision not to go in and destroy armored vehicles.
Weapons, you know, rifles, machine guns, explosives.
We allowed it to sit there.
We had at any point.
peter navarro
What was the mind?
We only got a minute left here.
What was the mindset of the Biden regime?
Was this was just like just fecklessness or did they have like a legitimate rationale?
Stupid though it might have been for doing what they did.
sam faddis
You know, I have to tell you that I that what I think I see in the Biden administration Is the most toxic mix of arrogance and incompetence I have ever seen in my life.
So they just have no idea what they're doing, but they are ideologues and they are convinced they are on the right side of history.
And God knows how many people will pay the price for the way they handled Afghanistan.
peter navarro
Sam, you were a patriot.
How do people follow you?
Do you have social media handles?
sam faddis
Easiest way to find me is go to &magazine, which is at Substack, which my wife and I run.
&magazine.substack.com.
That'll take you to everywhere else we are on the net.
peter navarro
All right, my brother, we'll bow our heads in prayer for those who died a year ago.
Thank you for being on The War Room, sir.
I'm Peter K. Navarro, out.
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