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steve bannon
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Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world.
alan dershowitz
You don't want to frighten the American public.
unidentified
France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans.
But you need to prepare for and assume.
Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China.
This is going to be a real serious problem.
France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on.
Health officials are investigating more than 100 possible cases in the US.
Germany, a man has contracted the virus.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus.
Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500.
alan dershowitz
We have to prepare for the worst, always.
anthony fauci
Because if you don't, then the worst happens.
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War Room.
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, just want to make sure the Financial Times of London today, the lead story.
Lowest global population growth since 1950 raises economic fears.
COVID pushes Europe into climate war.
Just not COVID.
Okay, not COVID.
Much more than COVID.
But we're gonna have Naomi Wolf in a second here to tell us what these issues are.
Also, China to see fall this year in India, I think overtakes them.
China have a fall.
China's in a demographic death spiral, an implosion.
And no, it has nothing to do with the 400 million hungry ghost of the forced abortions since the CCP's been in business, right?
Particularly since, really, they ramped it up after Mao Zedong.
It was bad enough then, but with the one-child policy, of which it looks like long-term they made a bad bet, And I can tell you, having been in and out of China, lived there all over, 80 or 90% of those abortions were baby girls.
And this is one of the big social problems.
It's the human trafficking issue they got in China, which is massive, human sex trafficking.
but it's also, they've got an entire generation of young men that are entirely rootless, completely rootless.
And it's a massive problem.
It's one of the big meanings of social unrest in China.
And when the CCP falls, as they will fall, the Lao Bajing and the Chinese people have, I mean, decades, decades to turn around of what they've done to that great culture and that great society.
One thing, when you look at this third world war that's spreading, whether it's Sri Lanka, whether it's Ecuador, it's Panama last night, you got Argentina.
One thing to keep your eye on, as we've been talking about, is this internally these banks, small, when I say small regional banks, they're a bit like Wells Fargo size.
Massive banks that will not let their depositors get their cash out because they don't want a bank run.
And Lao Bai Jing has got their money in there and they want their cash back.
So also in the Financial Times today, talks about all the CEOs and the boards of directors that are now scrambling around to get people to like brief them on Taiwan, brief them on the South China Sea.
And I told Ben Harnwell, he's got it up in his Getter account right now.
I'm going to post it when I get a break here in the show.
But I told Ben when I saw that, I said, hey, I could pick randomly people in the War Room audience and possibly have been listening to this for two years.
They could give a briefing better than some of these experts.
Because you guys go to the, you take the webinars with the Committee on the Present Danger, which I'm one of the founders of.
You go to the free webinars.
The webinar last Thursday was on the Navy and the security in the Western Pacific.
It's as sophisticated as you're getting over in the tank, trust me.
You've got experts.
Captain Finnell, you've got the guy who was head of intelligence for the Pacific Fleet.
This is why I'm so proud of this audience.
Literally, the Financial Times got a huge article how corporate, the world corporate, Davos and all these guys are scrambling now.
They understand that Ukraine's a sideshow and that Taiwan's everything.
Well, you know, tell that to the War Impostor.
They knew that two years ago when we first started doing pandemic.
Right. And now you've gotten up to speed over the last six months to know, understand the details.
Well, it's not going to be an amphibious invasion.
Probably it'll be a naval blockade or an air blockade.
Here's how they're going to do it. Here's where in eastern China.
There's another great seminar today.
Webinar today, one o'clock right afterwards.
Go to just go to Frank Gaffney's committee on the present danger.
It's totally free.
And this is about the fifth column here in the United States.
This is about, today's going to be about the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
Wait for it.
Biden, and they're lying to people straight face.
They've taken 5 million gallons out of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
Personally, they've taken 60 million barrels, excuse me, 60 million barrels and try to drive down the price, which that's not what it's made for.
Only 17 million barrels have been let out during the first Gulf War, 20 million during Katrina, when you have strategic necessity.
So they've done that, which they're not supposed to do.
In addition, they've taken 5 million barrels and they've given it in somewhere, I don't know, in Italy or whatever, heading towards Ukraine and another, I think, 975,000 barrels of the 5 million You know why they have struggle session?
Because they know they're illegitimate.
They have no respect for these people.
Blinken gets elected. He had a struggle session, a struggle session with the CCP.
You know why they have struggle session? Because they know they're illegitimate.
They have no respect for these people. No face.
We got more talk about the administrative state and the issues here.
Now they're kicking.
We couldn't get Malone on today because of scheduling.
He's going to be with us tomorrow morning.
By the way, Jerome Revere is going to be here from France.
We're going to talk about how the French do their elections by paper ballot, hand count, and get it done at 10 o'clock at night.
So France can do it.
Our oldest ally, the United States, can do it.
Jerome's going to be here.
Malone's going to be on.
Talk about this new variant that all of a sudden HHS said it's going to come back.
Horribly in the fall, and you know, we don't know, maybe the elections, we don't know, this could be terrible.
Naomi Wolf, you've got other breaking news, CCP, all your research, your team's on fire.
What do you got for us, ma'am?
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Yeah, it's a sad day.
I do need to announce what I knew or intuited we would find based on the record of harms and damage to the American people that are revealed in the Pfizer document.
You remember, this audience remembers that I've been warning that Pfizer did a memorandum of understanding with it. I think it's owned. Okay Naomi, we're gonna have to either reboot you or have you call in because right now we're getting like every third word.
steve bannon
So we're jammed for time.
Let's have her phone in or let's reboot it real quickly and see if we can't get a clear.
If we can't, let's have a reboot.
I'll take, I got Posobiec.
Let's get Naomi rebooted because she's got blockbuster news coming in.
Hey, and some of it may be related to the CCP.
Posobiec, I gotta talk to you about, we just had Boris and the guys on talk about the numbers.
But listen, I've been, and I'm no fan of Elon Musk.
I'm the guy that said from the beginning the joke was, the thing was a disaster.
How does Elon Musk, help me out here brother, how does Elon Musk get overnight trashing Donald J. Trump?
He's old, he's this.
This is a guy, from the day he announced, and I put it up on my getter, there was an analysis done and one of the things I linked to, it's always linked to something people can read and look at, It shows that the Twitter, how that's collapsed, but more importantly, Tesla.
Tesla's lost $500 billion of value since he went on the Twitter thing.
How does this guy stand in front of anybody and start talking trash about Donald Trump, Jack Posobiec?
jack posobiec
Well, I mean, of course he's responding.
So he's responding to Trump calling him a BS artist at that rally that Trump did up in Alaska, which honestly, that's one of the best Trump rallies I've seen in years.
That felt like, to me, I don't know, it felt like Trump seemed a little bit younger, more energetic, felt like the 2015 kind of Trump.
He was back in that challenger mode.
But with Elon, you know, so he had two main gripes.
He said, number one, if you're over 69, you shouldn't be running a country.
And he said that if you're causing too much drama, you're a bull in a china shop.
So what I responded back to Elon Musk was simply this.
Where's that level of energy for Xi Jinping?
Have you said the exact, if that's your standard, right?
Where's that standard?
Where's that call out for Xi Jinping?
I ran a Twitter search on Elon Musk's account.
Guess what?
The words Xi Jinping to his 100 million followers have never once been tweeted.
By Elon Musk.
But, if you go back to his Weibo account from last year, you can find him celebrating the 100th anniversary of the CCP, right?
And we know that Elon Musk, just like everybody else, he's got his manufacturing facility where?
Shanghai, right?
Over where the Lao Baijing are getting cracked down.
Because there's a run on the banks, they can't get their assets out, the police are cracking down on them, the state police are beating them in the streets.
Elon Musk, where's your tweet about this, man?
If you care so much about drama, oh, wait a minute.
Maybe when you say you're worried about the bull in the China shop, what you're really saying is you're worried about your China shop.
You see what I did there?
Yeah, we understand you care very much about what's going on in China.
But no, seriously.
When it comes down to it, I think we got a situation where he said, this is what he said about DeSantis, and this is what I do think needs some serious response.
He said, well, DeSantis could run and he could win without even campaigning because it would be so easy.
And I'm like, in what country?
In what country would any Republican candidate be given a cakewalk to the presidency?
Take Donald Trump.
Donald Trump was one of the most beloved, respected men in the United States, right?
People loved this guy.
If you go through The Apprentice, all those years, they turned the false reality machine on him for all these years.
And they turned him from this guy that everybody saw as the success story, Mr. New York, right?
Going on SNL, going on all the shows, right?
You can find that from 2014-2015.
And then suddenly it's like they flipped the switch, and now he's a demagogue, and he's a racist, and he's evil, and he's Satan incarnate, and he's the Antichrist and everything else under the sun, the second coming of Mussolini and Franco and all the rest.
And...
You think they're not going to do that to DeSantis?
It's like, do you even understand how politics works in the United States?
steve bannon
I really don't think so.
All these guys, I tell people this all the time, donors are clueless.
They're brilliant about their business.
Anything else in life, look at their kids.
Come on, give me a break.
You look at these donors, they're all a mess.
And they know nothing about politics, but they're all the world's smartest guy.
You see the guy at Salesforce.
You see all these guys want to get involved.
They all want to be big shots, right?
After they make their money.
They're morons.
I know them right they all come in.
I said they're idiots.
They always got these ideas it they're all they're all Dumber than people you know in your circle.
Trust me, they're brilliant about their own narrow vertical of how they made their money.
Outside of that, they're morons.
And Elon Musk is a complete moron, just a cakewalk.
He's a complete, total idiot.
My question for Elon, and by the way, I got BD on here next, and he's on here for a different topic, but I know he's crying every night in his, you know, his pillow, because he's one of these fanboys, one of these Conservative Inc.
fanboys that are all broke up about Twitter.
Jack, you're a naval intelligence officer.
You know the drill on Twitter about what, how, all, and this is what the congressional investigation's got to get to the bottom to.
Why is the Naomi Wolfson, the Dr. Malone, they're in the timeout cage and everything, this, when you're talking about the CCP virus.
jack posobiec
Not only that, Steve.
Not only that.
Have you seen the new one?
They are now, and I can report this because Tyler Boyer of Turning Point Action was just suspended on Twitter for 12 hours.
What did he do?
He posted a photo From the new Hunter Biden leak.
So apparently Twitter is now censoring people, banning people, if you post things from the new Hunter Biden leak, which I also of course said, so they're admitting that it's real.
steve bannon
Hold it, Jack Maxey, look, I've never been on Twitter.
I refuse to think, but we had a War Room account on Twitter that Jack, the infamous Jack Maxey ran.
jack posobiec
Which is true, which is true by the way.
I used to sit there when we were in the War Room, and they played the clip of us at the Gen Six Committee.
You know, and you can see, and Maxi's there, and I'm there.
So Maxi would sit, he had access to the War Room Twitter account.
It was never, it was, I can confirm this ladies and gentlemen, it was never Steve.
Never had his hands on the weapon.
No fingerprints.
steve bannon
And all we did was put up the hard drive, remember I had the saying, you come for the porn, you stay for the compromise.
I wanted to get to the CCP bottom off, but the documents, you know, they're a little boring, right?
But you come for the porn, which you're like gobsmacked about.
jack posobiec
By the way though, Steve, show me a more attractive, if you're running, if you're the Russian, you know, FSB or the Chinese MSS, and you see a guy like Conor Biden, Could you find a more attractive honeypot target than Hunter Biden, right?
You'd be sending agents at him left and right.
And so when I see these images and these messages where they say we've got a Russian hooker, a Ukrainian hooker, a Chinese hooker, right?
I'm looking at, I'm saying, well, do we know that these are just, you know, that's, they're just escorts or is this possible, right?
You know, keep mum, she's not so dumb.
You know, are these potentially foreign agents?
steve bannon
Yeah, Paul Benard's got the numbers out.
Huge, huge numbers.
jack posobiec
on social media, great piece up that put up about Charlie Kirk and I think from the Washington Examiner. Yeah, Paul Benard's got the numbers out. Huge, huge numbers. Amazing. Almost doubling, right, for Turning Point USA year on year. And people think it's going, they said, oh, You know, they're going down.
No, no, no.
Turning Point is on the up and up.
The influence is expanding.
The numbers are expanding.
And we've got the event next week with, of course, you know, all this drama between the two.
But guess what?
We've got Trump and DeSantis down in Tampa, Florida, Turning Point Student Action Summit.
It'll be there next weekend.
And guess what, Steve?
We're going to be holding a straw poll.
That's right.
A straw poll between Trump and DeSantis.
So we'll see.
steve bannon
And we've got our own Jane Zirkle, investigative reporter.
She's going to be there the entire time.
She's going to be reporting live from the turning point.
Jack, real quickly, give your social media on Twitter and Getter.
How do people get to you?
jack posobiec
Yeah, Twitter, Getter, Jack Posobiec, and of course, follow me, Human Events Daily.
Remember, it's a podcast for people who don't like podcasts because it's only about 25 minutes a day.
We also run live on Getter now.
We're now running live on Getter Daily.
I believe it's 4.30 Eastern.
We run the show live and we've got thousands and thousands.
And thank you, by the way, to the thousands and thousands that watch us every day on Getter.
steve bannon
Jack Masovic.
Okay, we got Naomi fixed.
We're gonna take a short commercial break.
Naomi Wolf and Darren Beattie all next in The War Room.
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War Room.
Pandemic.
With Stephen K. Bannon.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room.
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Hey, I really want to thank, you know, it's got so many people have been reaching out to me for the last couple of days about prayers and pray.
Look, we all love prayer, something like that.
But here's what I've been telling folks, pray for our enemies.
OK, pray for because we're going medieval on these people.
We're going to savage our enemies.
So pray for them.
That's who needs prayers.
Not MAGA, not War Room and certainly not Stephen K. Bannon.
But I'll take everything I can get.
But put ahead in the cap table, put our enemies in front of me, because that's who's really going to need prayers.
OK.
Because we're going medieval, okay?
And we'll see about this committee what happens this afternoon, but hey, my offer's out there.
Here's what I need.
Give me a date, a time, a room number, a microphone, and a holy Bible that I can take the oath on.
Boom, deliver that, and we'll see how good you are, little Jamie Raskin and Liz Cheney and all of it.
Serve it up.
Here's my request.
Date, time, room number, microphone that works, And a holy Bible to take the oath on.
Okay, show me what you got.
Taking these interviews and cutting them up.
You think, come on, you think, hey, as Trump says, no games.
We're not playing games.
We're beyond games.
That polling the other night, they had it on there.
It's not making any impact whatsoever.
So keep doing your thing and go do what you got to do.
Just do it.
But we're not playing games.
We're taking down, we're killing the Biden administration in the crib.
And we're glad when you see those people under 29 years old, that's 1% think he's doing a great job.
1%, which is zero.
We take great pride in all of that, okay?
We detest this illegitimate regime, and we're not going to back off one inch.
Let me give you another thing.
Next January, when real hearings start, the first part of those hearings is to adjudicate on live national television and go through every state and talk about, we're not going to rest until we decertify De-certify every Biden elector.
De-certify those electors in the following random states.
The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, the state of Georgia, the state of Arizona, the state of Michigan, and the state of Wisconsin.
Just to throw out some random ones.
As a couple of three up on the top.
So listen, your prayers, I love it.
I love when you guys come to me.
I know you're super religious and devout.
huge believers in the judeo-christian west pray for our enemies because we're going to be relentless go full medieval okay let me get i got naomi naomi you've got big breaking news i'm just going to toss it to you you're now on the phone just go ahead and let it rip ma'am all right so um you remember that i alerted everyone that the bio n tech which is a subsidiary advisor that makes the mre injections that are so lethal so damaging to millions and millions of
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people going now they're going after our kids um there was a hundred percent tech transfer to fosun to china rather at the end of 2021 and i was asking what is this and i was also struck that that are so lethal, so damaging to millions and millions of people.
Now they're going after our kids.
There was 100% tech transfer to China, rather, at the end of 2021.
And I was asking, what is this?
And I was also struck that Fosun Pharmaceuticals out of Shanghai, owned by a senior CCP member, was manufacturing a billion injections of the Pfizer vaccine because China isn't using this vaccine, right?
So where are they going?
And I've long been haunted by the fact that it would be the easiest thing in the world for our adversary, our existential adversary, China, under the guise of a pandemic, to infiltrate our medical supply.
We don't know.
No journalist has asked, except me and a handful of others, where are these injections coming from?
And the FDA clearly has captured.
Well, I have bad news, but it's better to know the CCP is manufacturing these injections in the United States.
And here's what I mean.
Fosun Shanghai has now opened Fosun Pharma USA.com.
They've got a press release announcing Fosun Pharma 2021 annual results announcement, excelling the globalization of their product.
And the bottom line is that they've opened a facility in Boston, Massachusetts, and a facility in Princeton, New Jersey, where they're manufacturing and distributing Pfizer products.
And Folsom Pharmaceuticals is owned by Sinopharm, which is owned by the Chinese Communist Party.
And not only that, but they're shareholders in Sinopharm, which is A state-run, state-owned pharmaceutical company.
There's no such thing as private industry in China.
So our adversaries are the ones manufacturing and distributing this, not just in America, but also in 10 other Western countries.
I'm going to read two long paragraphs, but bear with me.
you can follow them and I'll explain them.
Continuously strengthening, this is from the press release of Fosun Pharma USA, the global operation capacity and making further enhancement for globalization.
Fosun Pharma has formed a global operating system for research and development, manufacturing and commercialization and continually expands overseas markets, revenue in regions outside the Chinese mainland and in overseas countries in 2021 with 13.599 million RMB, accounting for 34% over a third of this Chinese company's total revenue.
It's outside China, all right?
It's us.
Globalization capability is continuously strengthened.
The second headquarters in the United States Helps to build a global business landscape with full coverage of R&D, that's research and development, manufacturing, and commercialization.
They are making the Pfizer injection and the Pfizer COVID pill.
By the end of 2021, PostSanFarma's overseas commercialization team, with over 1,200 employees, has built marketing platforms in the United States, Africa, and Europe, and has achieved direct sales of formulations To the U.S.
market.
This is China.
This is the CCP.
This is the CCP-run Sinopharm, which owns, essentially, Fosun Pharmaceuticals.
The medical device segment, that's not all, has covered China, but also the United States, Europe, and other major regions.
Now, guys, it's not just the injections and the COVID pill.
It's the tests.
It's the tests The COVID-19 test kit by Fosun Diagnostics has been sold in over 10 countries.
In 2021, Gland Pharma, a holding subsidiary, received approval from the U.S.
FDA for 13 generic drugs.
Our U.S.
FDA, which we've seen, is so corrupt, so hostage to the White House, that's clearly hostage to the CCP.
They are green-lighting 13 other drugs of the CCP in the United States.
Leveraging the current global manufacturing capability and world-class manufacturing facilities, Fosun Pharma has accelerated the acquirement of international GMP certification of domestic production lines, laying a solid foundation for exporting domestic products around the world.
So they acquired the patent pool license to produce Merck's oral COVID-19 treatment, Molnupiravir, which you are prescribed.
In America and Pfizer's oral COVID-19 treatment, Nirmatrelvir, as well as their co-packaged product of Nirmatrelvir and Ritonavir of Pfizer.
And the license includes both the ingredients and the finished drug.
The CCP is making the COVID pill in America.
Through this license, Fosun Pharma devoted itself further to fighting against the pandemic around the world.
And again, those are hubs in Princeton and Boston distributing this.
They issued another press release boasting about their approval of the Antigen Detection Kit of Fosun Diagnostics.
Both kits and the PCR detection kit.
So literally every time your business says, you have to test every week, it's China putting that, whatever that material is in your nostrils, right?
It's China manufacturing it.
And it's China manufacturing the pill and having the license for the injection.
The kit has obtained BFARM registration in Germany, endorsed by the EU Health Security Committee, common list, EU common list, and was awarded the CE certificate.
And it will now be made available across 27 EU countries, as well as regions that recognize this license.
The PCR test has also acquired relevant qualifications and certifications in the U.S., European Union, Australia, and many other countries and regions, and has been exported to more than 10 countries around the world.
And the last paragraph is that it's collaborating with BioNTech to jointly develop mRNA COVID-19 vaccine.
Fosun Pharma continues to help fight the COVID-19 pandemic.
And again, Fosun is a shareholder in Sinopharm, and which means they are the same company, Sinopharm is owned by China National Pharmaceutical Group Corporation, which is referred to as Sinopharm, a Chinese state-owned enterprise.
So, you know, to me this just answers the question, how could this be?
And it goes along with Hunter Biden's laptop and these revelations, right?
That the White House is hostage to our existential adversary, and these injections are being manufactured and distributed, the COVID pill, the PCR test, by a CCP-owned subsidiary aligned with Pfizer as a front brand, essentially.
And that explains the harms we're seeing, in my view.
steve bannon
Naomi, how do people get to Daily Clout?
How do they volunteer to be one of the 3,000?
How do they get to the book, The Bodies of Others, which, against all odds and no marketing budget, is a massive hit?
How do they get to all of it?
unidentified
Thank you.
Come to dailyclout.io.
You can sign up to be a volunteer.
The volunteers are making history.
It's unbelievable.
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Dr. Wolf, appreciate it.
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steve bannon
It's unbelievable Naomi Wolff, thank you very much Dr. Wolff, appreciate it.
Thank you. Okay we're going to take a short commercial break.
We're going to have to do some juggling, but I think we're going to have a very special guest.
We've got Darren Beattie, who's always a special guest.
Darren and the guys at Revolver have confirmed, and it's now up on revolver.news, have now confirmed That the FBI informant that was referenced in the New York Times story from a long time ago, and we're going to talk about all that, is actually the person that Cara Castronova and Jim Hoft and Joe Hoff over at the Great Gateway Pundit had this massive story yesterday.
They've connected the dots.
Darren Beatty's going to be here, but I think if we can pull this off, we're going to have a very special guest.
Alan Dershowitz is going to join us right after the break.
Darren Beatty, we're going to get to all of it.
A minute or two in commercials.
Just stick there and get a cup of coffee and be right back.
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War Room.
Pandemic.
Pandemic with Stephen K Bannon. The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. War Room Pandemic. Here's your host Stephen K Bannon Okay, thank you everybody Back now, by the way, very special guest.
steve bannon
Everybody knows the War Room Posse is a big group of book readers.
They love books and we're very honored to have the Skyhorse Press guys have the 50th book of our following guests, Professor Alan Dershowitz from Harvard Law School.
Professor, it's the price of principle.
It's absolutely an amazing book, because it talks about your life, your philosophy.
But as you know, the War Room, we pride ourselves on being the most partisan part of the MAGA movement.
And so, correct me, the theory of this book, this is your 50th, and you've written, you know, from history, American history, philosophy, about the Jewish people, the Constitution, the breadth of it's amazing.
But your argument is, hey, I've got to stand up for what I believe as I think things through or what these principles are.
And I'm unyielding in that.
And I'm going to upset my liberal friends up there in Cambridge.
And every now and again, I'm going to upset the MAGA guys because, you know, I'll do Trump's impeachment, but then I'll come back and say, like, the mask mandates or the vaccine mandates are good.
Is that is that is that the core essence of this book?
alan dershowitz
Well, the core essence is that I follow the Constitution, as I believe it was intended to be followed, so that I was against the impeachment of President Trump because he committed treason, bribery, or high crimes.
But I'm equally against the impeachment of President Biden, which some people on the right are calling for, because whatever you may think of what he's done and not done, I committed treason, bribery, or the high crimes.
So both sides hate me.
And in my book, The Price of Principle, I tell stories About how I've been attacked and continue to be attacked by the right and the left because I stand by my principles.
I got cavanaught the other day.
I go to a restaurant that I've always gone to, and I'm told that the owner says that people have said, if you continue to serve Alan Dershowitz at this restaurant, we're not going to go here anymore.
A friend of mine who's invited me to the same concert every year for like 40 years said, if I invite you this year, it'll be social suicide for me.
So, I'm enduring the slings and arrows of outrageous misfortune, but I have a thick skin.
The point is that a miracle will not survive if we have this kind of vision.
If you and I can't talk to each other, you and I disagree about a lot of things.
I agree, by the way, that you had the obligation not to disclose material that might have been privileged by executive privilege.
Until the president waived that right so we agree on some things disagree on others, but in America.
It's very hard to talk to people Unless you're totally on the same side as they are on every issue.
steve bannon
I'll never be on the same side That's why I wrote the price of principle because I want to put principle before partisans Look, you're a revered professor of the Constitution, but you see what happened in the last session of the court.
I mean, we're here in Capitol Hill and it's in total lockdown by the Supreme Court right now.
The streets are all blocked around it and have been since the memorandum was leaked.
You saw after Roe v. Wade came out and then afterwards on the administrative state ruling on the EPA that the Justice Department and Biden, I mean, I'm not a lawyer and I'm certainly not a constitutional lawyer, but it seems like they were trashing a decision Of the Supreme Court and not just saying, hey, we're going to go try to do these things, but actually trashing it as an institution.
So is are the institutionalist because they call MAGA all the time that we're these rebels, we're these insurrectionists, we're anti-institutional, want to burn it all to the ground.
But do you believe the establishment, as you now see, you're getting canceled because you're sticking up for your principles?
Do you think what's supposed to be the establishment in this nation are really the anti-institutionalist?
alan dershowitz
Well, I think many of them are.
A recent poll showed that a majority of Democrats want to abolish the Supreme Court.
Young Democrats want to abolish the Supreme Court, the third branch of government, because they're unhappy with a couple of decisions.
You know, they loved the decision in 1996 when I was a law clerk in the Supreme Court.
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alan dershowitz
More freedom to criticize.
We wrote many civil rights, many criminal defense.
Everybody on the left loved it.
The right didn't love it too much, but the right never called for the abolition.
But people on the left today are anti-constitutionalists.
They believe in due process for me, but not for thee.
Free speech for me, but not for thee.
They believe in the Constitution for me, but not for thee.
They want to see the Constitution and the criminal justice system serve as partisan weapons.
Your prosecution is part of that.
This is an attempt to weaponize the criminal justice system against political enemies.
Lavrentiy Beria, the head of the KGB, who once said to Stalin during the Stalinist purges, show me the man and I'll find you the crime.
And that's what they're doing now to former President Trump.
They're looking for crimes.
That's what they did to you.
They're looking for crimes.
They're not saying, oh, these are crimes, now let's find the person.
They're searching the criminal justice system for all possible crimes that they could direct against people who are on the other side politically.
And although I'm on the other side politically from you, I'm going to defend your right to be free from criminal prosecution and defend President Trump's right to be free from criminal prosecution as I did his right to be free from impeachment under the Constitution.
steve bannon
Well guess what, get ready to be cancelled a lot more restaurants.
Let me go back to MSNBC for a second because we monitor MSNBC and CNN constantly here.
They had a professor from Georgetown Law School on the other day and she was talking, I think it was a combination of Roe but it was also a combination of the shootings in Highland Park.
And she said that the Constitution is a document that was written by slaveholders, had white male toxicity in it.
It was patriarchal.
It's a document that kept us in bondage today.
What would be your response to her on this?
And she's basically saying that we need to basically move beyond the Constitution.
I think she actually said we should tear it up.
Well, it shows you what the future looks like for America, unless we can turn it around.
This is not people in bars yelling at the TV.
These are highly credentialed at the finest either Ivy League or Ivy equivalent law schools and undergraduate colleges in the nation.
Professor Dershowitz.
alan dershowitz
Well, it shows you what the future looks like for America unless we can turn it around.
These are people who would not only tear up the Constitution because of who wrote it, but the Bible, the New Testament, the other religious documents, freedom, the Magna Carta, Not a single document in history was written by people who were perfect.
You know, I taught a course at Harvard College for years, it was where does your morality come from?
And I gave this of justification, justifications against gay rights.
In order to make them think, make them understand what the sources are.
Kostyevsky was a virulent anti-Semite.
Are we going to tear up all his books?
Shakespeare wrote The Merchant of Venice in which he demonized Jews and Othello in which he demonized a black man.
Are we going to tear up all of our literature and substitute for it political correctness and wokeness?
What will that do to America?
No, our Constitution is the longest enduring Constitution in the history of humankind.
It's imperfect, as all constitutionals are, but it's better than any other.
I stand with Winston Churchill when he said democracy may be the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried over time.
The same is true of our Constitution.
You want to amend it?
Amend it!
You want to interpret it in different ways?
Try to do that, but don't tear up the Constitution just because you don't like some of its results.
steve bannon
Professor, essentially part of your book, or one of the things I'll take away from your book, is like, come reason together.
That we've got to be able to come together and think.
I honestly have just a different opinion of American history from the Revolution, the Civil War, and the Great Depression, World War II.
One side's going to win, and one side's going to lose.
What path forward do you think is the best for this country?
What is in your mind the correct way?
Is it Alan Dershowitz's, let's come reason together now, and we can actually practically do that?
Or is it Bannon's, one side's gonna win, one side's gonna lose, and to the victor, we'll consider the issues of the, like after the revolution, the Tories, you know, half of the Tories, a third of the country was Tory, and half of those Tories left the nation.
What path forward do you think's the best for this country?
Or the most realistic, I should say.
alan dershowitz
I'm with Lincoln.
A house divided against itself cannot stand.
I lived for years on Brattle Street, whose original name was Tory Row.
A lot of the people who lived on Brattle Street in Cambridge were Tories.
Yes, some of them went to England.
Yes, some of them moved to Canada.
But many of them stayed in the United States and became good citizens after the revolution was over.
No, I think we Not with everybody.
You can't reason with AOC.
You can't reason with Ilan Omer.
You can't reason with the extreme radicals any more than you can reason with Nazis.
No, you can't reason with real extremists, but the vast majority of Americans are a center-left or a center-right.
They can reason together, and a country can happen when we can come to some agreement.
On July 4th on my podcast, I didn't express opinions.
I showed people my collection.
I have letters from George Washington, letters from Alexander Hamilton, letters from Thomas Jefferson, all of them imperfect.
But I read those letters, and I read it in an effort to try to bring us together on July 4th.
Even then, I got criticism.
No, no, no, no, we can't reason together.
We have to separate ourselves into two countries.
Instead of it being North and South, it's now going to be Right and Left.
I don't think Lincoln would approve, and I don't approve.
I want to see us together.
I like conservatives.
I like to argue with them.
I love being on shows like yours, where I can have a serious conversation with somebody with whom I disagree.
And I think more of that is important in our country.
steve bannon
Professor, the book's unbelievable.
The Price of Principle.
It's the 50th book written by Professor Dershowitz.
Everything else he does, 50 books.
You say in the book, in the open, that you write 2,000 words a day, and it's just incredible.
The Price of Principle is from Skyhorse.
We love Tony Lyons and the guys.
The Kennedy book.
These other books they have are just amazing.
They all become big hits.
I want this one to become a big hit.
Professor, how do people get to your podcast?
How do they get to you on social media?
And how do they find this book?
alan dershowitz
Well, the book's easy.
It's on Amazon.
Just press a button and you'll get it.
My podcast is on Rumble.
It's Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday.
And then I have something called Locals, where I speak every day and express my opinions.
I'll probably talk about this show on Locals today, because I've enjoyed it.
I've enjoyed having dialogue with you.
We can, you know, disagree over coffee.
We can disagree on television, but not in Chilmark, Massachusetts.
I can't disagree with anybody.
The Chilmark Public Library won't allow me to speak because they disagree with my defense of President Trump.
That's where we've come, and that's a great tragedy.
steve bannon
What you're going to find, Professor, if I can say this humbly, is that you're going to see a lot more of embrace on our side of the football.
You're going to be cancelled, given all your brilliance, everything you fought for, all these liberal causes, what you've dedicated your life to.
is going to reject you just for some of these things.
It's just because the left now is not.
It's I come from a Democratic family, a Kennedy Democrats, right?
Roosevelt Democrats. That's not the Democratic Party.
It's just not. It's it's it's radicalized.
It's cultural Marxism and AOC.
AOC speaks for that young generation of of Omar and AOC are the voice of that.
And that's just the reality.
alan dershowitz
Isn't I wrote my book in the introduction.
I ended by saying the virtue of books, unless they are burned or permanently censored, is that they endure beyond any particular era.
And so my motivation.
continue writing as I approach four years old. You can cancel me at the library, but you cannot burn my books. And I'm going to write the books and people who want to read them can read them, even if people who want to hear me at the Chilmark Library have no opportunity to hear me there because I'm not conservative enough for them. Even our temple, our synagogue on Martha's Vineyard apologized the other day for having a conservative speaker, and the rabbi assured everybody that don't worry, in the
future we're only going to have left wing speakers at the synagogue.
And so, you know, we have a deep problem in this country about our divisions, and I hope my point about the point of principle, the price of principle, will help resolve it.
Not optimistic, particularly.
You're right.
steve bannon
I don't know.
I think you're gonna get a lot of partisans on this side that embrace it.
Professor, DuraService, we gotta bounce, but thank you.
The Price of Principle from Skyhorse Publishing, available today.
Get it at Amazon.
We're gonna put it up in all the chat rooms.
Professor, thank you very much.
Look forward to having you back on here.
Cara Castronova from The Gateway Pundit, her amazing article trigger.
We got Darren Beattie confirmed it.
It's all real with the FBI informants on J6.
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steve bannon
Get up on Getter.
This is the way that we communicate with each other.
I'm putting up stuff all night.
You really can't enjoy fully the show unless you go.
We're going to have Captain Bannon and Harwood have sessions and teach it.
It's so simple.
I'm an idiot in this area.
It's so simple.
By the way, also, Victor Orban announced, I think it was yesterday, He's going to be at CPAC Dallas.
President Trump's going to be at CPAC Dallas.
And of course, Stephen K. Bannon is going to be at CPAC Dallas.
I want a big turnout from the War Imposter.
We're going to be doing broadcasting there, but also have side events.
So we're going to start rounding up the names, but go to the CPAC.
I think we're going to put it up.
Go to the CPAC site right now, sign up, get a ticket.
We want to see a huge turnout from you folks as we're going to hang out and make sure that we fire off the football to 22 coming off of CPAC Dallas.
Really excited about it.
Really excited about Viktor Orban being there.
Wow, this is going to be big.
And President Trump and many, many, many, many others.
Okay, Darren Beatty.
By the way, Cara Castronova and the team at Gateway Pundit broke a blockbuster story overnight yesterday.
Boom!
It hit.
We had Hoft on, we got Cara on, and I'm announcing Cara's gonna be back on the evening shows when we spend more time.
This was about an FBI informant, why Ray knew about it, etc.
We had Darren Beatty on.
Darren had the story, you know, almost a year ago, I think, when the New York Times leaked in a buried lead in one line, down I think in 10 or 12 paragraphs, oh, the FBI had a couple informants Well, first of all, everyone needs to go and read the Gateway Pundit piece in its entirety, and I need to congratulate the folks at Gateway Pundit.
darren j beattie
This is a great scoop.
What they've done is essentially they've obtained the government documents Um, outlining, uh, audio interviews with the FBI's confidential human source in the Proud Boys, the confidential human source who was on the ground in January 6th and contemporaneously and constantly communicating with his FBI handlers.
Now, not only was Revolver able to confirm the authenticity of these documents, we can say a step further, which is that this same informant
The same Proud Boys informant covered in this Gateway Pundit leak is the informant referred to in a New York Times piece back in September, when the piece went on about, among those in the Capitol, a Proud Boy informant, and it actually acknowledged two informants.
And so this is the same person.
Now, it's quite something that the New York Times would get a hold of this document and sit on it A document that's very interesting and should be in the public domain.
New York Times hoarded it, they sat on it, just didn't really release anything special.
So thankfully the Gateway Pundit has released it and so we're able to put some of the pieces together as to what really, really happened there.
And the piece that we have up right now in revolver.news takes it a step further and says, okay, so Now where are we given that these documents have come out?
What's relevant to the documents?
What's not relevant?
What are the burning questions that this document presents?
And that's up right now at revolver.news.
steve bannon
I want everybody to go to read that, and then I'm going to have Beattie back on to break it down.
But real quickly, they had a headline when they put it up, I'm going to have Castronova on here in a second.
They had a headline, Chris Wray, here's what I don't get.
You've had Gates in the House, you've had guys in the Senate, they ask Wray this all the time he's up there.
Were there any government agents?
Were there any FBI assets?
And all he says is it's an ongoing investigation.
How can he sit there and essentially dissemble?
Darren Beattie, because he knows it.
Castronova put the documents up on the Gateway Pundit.
You confirmed it.
We now know they had government assets, FBI informants, at least maybe operatives.
Why can't he answer a basic question, sir?
darren j beattie
Well, it's very embarrassing for him because up until, you know, recently the dominant narrative that they were trying to push is that this is all an intelligence failure and These leaked documents from Gateway Pundit show what the New York Times reported when it grudgingly acknowledged the informant in the first place, which is that the federal government had a lot more visibility into January 6th beforehand and as it unfolded than it had previously acknowledged.
And I suspect we're going to find out that there's still more visibility that we haven't known, so stay tuned for that.
steve bannon
Your daytime exercise here, for those who can do it, is to read the Revolver news story right now.
Let me bring in Cara Cashernova.
I want to know, she's going to be back on this evening.
We're going to figure out the time.
Cara, tell us, how did you guys, give me two minutes on how you guys actually got this done?
cara castronuova
How we got it done, we got the leak very quickly over the weekend and I read the documents.
I read through those hundreds of pages of audio transcripts that I spent an entire, I'd say, 10 straight hours reading them, just picking through them, combing through them, making sure that they were accurate, double-checking that they were accurate, triple-checking, and stayed up literally the whole night till 7 in the morning to put that into the Gateway Pundit for the morning on Monday.
I thought it would be really great to get it out before the January 6th hearings, you know, just to kind of go on the offensive rather than the defensive, because I know that they're going to attack the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers and their associates during the hearing this week.
So, we got that out really quickly.
steve bannon
Have you approached, we had Jim on yesterday, real quickly.
Has Gateway Pundit approached the committee to turn over these documents to them, ma'am?
cara castronuova
I believe Jim has, and I would love to approach the committee and turn over a lot of documents that we have.
We do so much research, people send us so much stuff all the time.
I don't think that they would listen to a word that we had to say, but I would love myself to go before the January 6th committee.
I was there on January 6th and talk about it, but they would never have something.
steve bannon
I'd love to have Cara Castronova live in front of a microphone.
Give me your social media before we get you back on.
How do people get to Cara Castronova?
We know you're over at Newsmax and you're also at Gateway.
How do people get you?
cara castronuova
Find me on Twitter at Cara Castronova or you can write me on CaraCastronova.com right now since Facebook has censored and taken me off their platform.
steve bannon
Amazing reporting.
Look forward to having you back on.
Darren Beattie, I need everybody to go to Revolver.
Everybody go to Gateway to read your original story.
Everybody go to Revolver, read your analysis and you're pulling together your synthesis.
How do people get to you, Darren?
How do they get to the story on Revolver.news?
darren j beattie
Revolver.News is white hot right now, and it's a developing story that we'll be adding to, and I'm on Twitter at Darren J. Beattie.
We're on Getter at Revolver News.
So check it out, share it with everyone.
steve bannon
Okay, ladies and gentlemen, what's the over and under on on Castronova being a witness with her reporting?
What's the over and under that they're going to talk to Darren Beattie?
I tell you what's a lock though, Come January this year after sweeping crushing victory when we do real hearings, you're going to hear from Cara Castronova and you're going to hear from Darren Beattie when we adjudicate this thing like adults.
Okay, back here at five o'clock.
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