July 2, 2022 - Bannon's War Room
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| in vain. | ||
| Should Europe empty, all her force will meet them in a rain, And fight and shout and shout and fight for free America. | ||
| We let fair freedom hither and lo, the desert smiled. | ||
| A paradise of pleasure was opened in the wild. | ||
| Your harvest, bold Americans, no power shall snatch away. | ||
| Preserve, preserve, preserve your rights in a free America. | ||
| We're torn from a world of tyrants beneath this western sky. | ||
| We've formed a new dominion, a land of liberty. | ||
| The world shall own we're freemen here and such will ever be. | ||
| Huzzah! | ||
| Huzzah! | ||
| For free America! | ||
| Some future day shall crown us the masters of the main. | ||
| Our fleet shall speak in thunder to England, France, and Spain. | ||
| Nations o'er the ocean's spread shall tremble and obey The Prince who rules by freedom's laws in North America Okay, welcome back. | ||
| It's July 2, the year of the Lord, 2022. | ||
| It's the 246th anniversary of actually the day they agreed to the Declaration of Independence. | ||
| We commemorated on the 4th, but this is the day they actually made the deal. | ||
| That was Diane Turaj. | ||
| You've heard her voice here throughout the show. | ||
| I want to welcome back Frank Gaffney. | ||
| Frank, I want to thank you for getting Brian Kennedy and Stephen Mosher, two of the top experts on China. | ||
| On Thursday, you had this special webinar that only the Committee on the Present Danger of China can put together, and it was going really from the strategic now to the practical. | ||
| The committee's making the assertion that we're already at war in a global conflict with the Chinese Communist Party, and it's a hybrid, you know, no-holds-barred war. | ||
| What we call information war, cyber, economic, and kinetic, and our issue about going kinetic, although you're making the case that the kinetic part's already started, and that started really in 2019 in Wuhan, a couple of months after they announced the People's War, which you say, hey, in May of 19, they made all these things, they're breaking off a technology They're going a different way to the West. | ||
| They declared a people's war a few months later at the military games. | ||
| You had this release of a virus and it got exacerbated in 2020. | ||
| Walk us through what was the webinar the other day and what case you're trying to make, not just to the American people, but to American policymakers, sir. | ||
| Steve, this is a moment of just surpassing importance, and I so appreciate the chance to talk about it. | ||
| The Committee on the Present Danger of China has, with your encouragement, been trying every week to do an informative webinar about the enemy we confront, the greatest in our history. | ||
| You know, on this weekend when we commemorate that history and we revere those who made it possible for us to do what Ronald Reagan famously said, which is to ensure that our time's existential threat to freedom is defeated and we pass on the freedoms that we now enjoy to the next generation. | ||
| What we are talking about in this week's webinar, which is now available at presentdangerchina.org, is the product of actually a Team B exercise, as we call it, sponsored by the Center for Security Policy, which sponsors and enables the work of the Committee on the Present Danger China as well. | ||
| What we've done with this report, Brought to you by some extraordinarily impressive security policy practitioners, led by the former House Intelligence Committee Chairman Pete Hoekstra and the former, well, commander of all of our most important elite special operations units, Lieutenant General Jerry Boykin. | ||
| Who also served, by the way, as the Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence. | ||
| These are two leaders who brought together a very impressive team, notably one of the preeminent experts on biological warfare in our country, indeed in the world, Dr. Stephen Hatfill. | ||
| And other fans will recognize their names, people in the War Room posse's pantheon, like Colonel John Mills and Brian Kennedy and Jeff Nyquist, myself participated as well. | ||
| These are all serious folks, and what they did with this book, which is called The CCP | ||
| is at war with America, is lay out the case that yes, indeed, Steve, we've not only been subjected to decades of unrestricted warfare, something Eric Prince knows a lot about, we've not only been subjected to the economic warfare, the political warfare, the information warfare, the subversion, the elite capture, the espionage, | ||
| The hollowing out of our technology and industrial base and all the rest of it, all of which is part and parcel of unrestricted warfare. | ||
| But so is biological warfare. | ||
| It is one of the things specifically enumerated in the 1999 book Unrestricted Warfare by the two senior Chinese People's Liberation Army colonels that really exposed the rest of us to the doctrine. | ||
| To the plan that they are executing and have been. | ||
| But to your very critical point, Steve, what we established in this Team B3 report, as it's called, and what we talked about in the webinar at considerable length, is the fact that when the Chinese Communist Party unleashed however they did it, whenever they did it, wherever they did it, | ||
| The virus that they developed in a biological warfare laboratory in China, sadly with help from us, technical help, financial help, thanks to, among others, Tony Fauci. | ||
| When that was unleashed, however it came about, and they then ensured that it was disseminated worldwide, including very much in our country, It was an act of biological warfare, an attack of, yes, I would argue a kinetic kind, albeit using viruses rather than explosives. | ||
| And when a million Americans have been killed, at least many of them by this virus, you have to say it's been a pretty bloody effective war that they have been waging against us. | ||
| Unrestricted, asymmetrical, and now Kinetic. | ||
| I want to go back and I want to talk today. | ||
| We're here and one of the things we've had the music. | ||
| We've had some of the clips from from the HBO of John Adams to tie together that. | ||
| Hey, the declaration was that was an instrument, but to make sure that was effectuated and we're going to get into this really on Monday and a lot of depth. | ||
| We had to fight for it. | ||
| It was, you know, we're already a year into a war of Lexington and Concord. | ||
| In fact, we'll start Monday show at Lexington and Concord and then we had to fight. | ||
| They'd already had a expeditionary force on the way when over the July 4th weekend when this was agreed to. | ||
| Frank, I also want to tie it back to another part of history. | ||
| The original foundations of the original Committee on the Present Danger, you mentioned Reagan, and you got Team B. And to show people that we've done this before, this is not insurmountable, oh, this is the greatest existential threat. | ||
| Go back in time, Frank, because people, just like Stagflation, they're seeing this, they're revisiting the economics of the 1970s. | ||
| We also got to recognize the national security issues of the 1970s. | ||
| And that is, at the time, the same group of guys, you know, Graham Allison and Henry Kissinger had their version of the Thucydides Trap. | ||
| The Soviet Union was on the rise and the United States was on the decline. | ||
| And it was Reagan. | ||
| But it was the Committee on the Present Danger of which we take our historical roots. | ||
| Yeah, you're so right and it's vital that we understand that history. | ||
| around and was able to empower Reagan not just with policies but also with personnel. | ||
| Give us the history of the Committee on the Present Danger, China, sir. | ||
| Yeah, you're so right. And it's vital that we understand that history. We were told that, you know, Russia, or the Soviet Union at the time, was the rising power and we had to just make the best deal we could. | ||
| That's basically what detente practiced by Henry Kissinger, you know, implemented by him under both Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford. | ||
| And then it became part of the Carter policy plan as well. | ||
| And what you've really pointed to, Steve, is the first of these Team B exercises, an exercise in competitive analysis, it was called. | ||
| A very special group of people came together. | ||
| Amazingly enough, a guy by the name of George Herbert Walker Bush, who had just been appointed to be the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Allowed them to come in and look at all of the classified information about what the Soviet Union was actually doing, its order of battle, its buildup, its military and other ambitions. | ||
| And they gave a second opinion. | ||
| And that second opinion basically said, this detente thing is crazy. | ||
| That's going to get us all killed. | ||
| The Chinese Communist Party was nowhere to be seen at the time, but The Soviet Communist Party was very much on the march. | ||
| And fortunately, as a result of that Team B report back in 1976, which helped to give rise to many of the same people coming together under the rubric of what was then called the Committee on the Present Danger, Ronald Reagan, who was a member of the committee, Got a second opinion as well, a second, a strategy that he called, we win, they lose. | ||
| And it was, and also personnel. | ||
| So when his administration came to power, he had both a policy idea that we didn't have to, you know, we weren't the declining power, and he had a set of people that he got to meet that had other relationships that actually were able to staff a national security apparatus that had people that were going to Take the torch to the enemy. | ||
| Frank, we've got to bounce. | ||
| I want to thank you so much. | ||
| We've got Eric Prince here who's going to relieve the watch. | ||
| Frank, I need all your social media. | ||
| I need the show every night at 11 o'clock. | ||
| Instead of watching Jimmy Kimmel or Greg Gutfeld, if you want to get smart, go to Real America's Voice and watch Gaffney. | ||
| Give us your social media. | ||
| How do they get to the committee? | ||
| How did they get to your show? | ||
| At Frank Gaffney. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| Steve, I'm sorry. | ||
| That's okay, brother. | ||
| Just about out of voice. | ||
| Give me one second. | ||
| I had one more segment in you. | ||
| I tell you what, I'll give it after the break. | ||
| I don't want to ruin the rest of your July 4th weekend. | ||
| I've got to get the committee. | ||
| Let me just say this real quick. | ||
| Get it out of the way. | ||
| I'm at Frank Gaffney on all of the platforms. | ||
| We're very pleased to be able to present information through a couple of other really important websites, presentdangerchina.org. | ||
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You can see the video of the webinar there. | |
| Also, the Center's website, securefreedom.org. | ||
| And we have a lot of our stuff at securingamerica.tv, including the rest of the show. | ||
| And thank you for plugging in at 11 p.m. | ||
| Eastern Time. | ||
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11 p.m. | |
| Stay up late or you can watch it in the morning. | ||
| I'd watch it when I get up. | ||
| Frank, thank you very much for taking time away for the holiday weekend. | ||
| My privilege. | ||
| The Gathering Storm is going to continue. | ||
| We have Eric Prince in the house. | ||
| He's relieved the watch. | ||
| And he will be here when we return after a short commercial break. | ||
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Lift up your hands you heroes and swear Thank you. | |
| Welcome back. | ||
| We're in our special all weekend. | ||
| We've got specials going on. | ||
| We had them yesterday. | ||
| I want to thank Jack Posobiec and Peter Navarro for sitting in for me yesterday. | ||
| And Monday's special, I've got Dave Brat in for the entire time. | ||
| And on that one, we're actually going to break down the song you hear, Free America, from Diane Terraz. | ||
| I recommend everybody go. | ||
| She uses the melody there from British Grenadiers. | ||
| New words written. | ||
| They love the melody so much that they wrote new words during the Revolution to talk about a free America versus really, I guess, the greatest land army they had. | ||
| Eric Prince, thank you very much. | ||
| We've got Eric Prince in the house. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thanks, Steve. | ||
| Hard to get over the July 4th weekend. | ||
| I'm going to get to some of the stuff of the revolutions, but I want to ask you, for the first hour and now of this, we've had the gathering storm about the CCP, China, the bioweapons lab. | ||
| I wanted to get you on there. | ||
| You're from the Naval Services, the Commando Division. | ||
| The South China Sea, Taiwan, defense of, are we ready, is our beloved Seventh Fleet The 7th Fleet that won the war in the Pacific against Japan. | ||
| Japan. | ||
| Is this ready? | ||
| Are they ready to fight tonight? | ||
| Are they ready to fight tonight? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| No, I think all the services have a major... The fleet that had Bull Harlsey and Admiral Nimitz in charge of, they're not ready. | ||
| You don't think of the balloon went up tonight. | ||
| The balloon went up tonight in the South China Sea, in the Straits of Formosa or the Straits of Taiwan, either stopping an amphibious invasion and or stopping a naval blockade. | ||
| Is the 7th Fleet prepared? | ||
| I worry that there's been a shift away from combat readiness towards wokeness and political correctness, especially in the Naval Service, manifesting itself by multiple fatal collisions between warships and commercial vessels. | ||
| Pathetic. | ||
| Again, this is not a thousand knots closure of two jets running into each other. | ||
| This is one ship going 15 knots and the other ship going 20 knots. | ||
| Taking an hour. | ||
| As you can see, I'm right. | ||
| For an hour and a half. | ||
| That's happened a few times in the last couple years. | ||
| You've had a near-fatal collision with a seamount of the Virginia-class sub. | ||
| The new hottest submarine in the world runs into something underground. | ||
| You've had the Bonhomme Richard, a $6 billion helicopter carrier, bigger than any carrier we had in World War II, burns up at the dock in San Diego because it takes them more than two hours... Destroyed. | ||
| Destroyed, written off. | ||
| Because it took him more than two hours to put water on the fire at Pearside, okay? | ||
| It's not in a storm, not in combat, Pearside. | ||
| So that kind of repeated fail in the basics of damage control, seamanship, and navigation And if you read these reports, for guys who have been in the Navy, it's shocking. | ||
| It's really shocking. | ||
| I mean, if you read the McCain, if you read the other one in the Sea of Japan, if you read the... The nuke submarine has always been the elite of the elite. | ||
| And if you read how sloppy the watch was, if you read the damage control report from the Bonhomer Shard, it is... That's at 32nd Street, Pearside. | ||
| Nothing happened for two hours. | ||
| The ship essentially burned basically to the waterline. | ||
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| When you had all of the San Diego municipal responders available, plus the Navy's damage control crews, and they just failed. | ||
| So that worries me that the tyranny of distance going to effectively the home waters of China, under their umbrella of anti-access aerial denial missiles, ballistic missiles that can hit a moving carrier, Uh, and those kind of problems, that it could cause major problems for the fleet. | ||
| So again, I'm a big believer in never giving the enemy the fight that they expect. | ||
| You want to pick the fight on your terms? | ||
| And so, and that's why I wish, I hope there are some unconventional thinkers, which there are not, in the ranks of the flag officers anymore, so that if this happens, if you see, if you think about, you know, an amphibious invasion is an industrial problem. | ||
| How do you move tens of thousands of men, hundreds of thousands of tons of equipment across the straits, 70 miles of water, to try to invade Taiwan? | ||
| You're going to see indications of that on satellite. | ||
| The logistics build up, you would see that. | ||
| You're going to see that weeks if not months in advance and so I hope there's other ways that the United States has envisioned to crimp down on the supplies going into China to deter them from doing something rash and taking the straits. | ||
| Now the problem is I see If you're the CCP leadership and you see the large claims made of helping Ukraine, when as of two weeks ago they still had only delivered 5% of what was been promised, right? | ||
| To the detriment of the Ukrainian soldiers which are dying at 100 to 200 a day. | ||
| Kind of being rototilled by Russian artillery. | ||
| When you see that tall claim and then a lack of actual delivery on the U.S. | ||
| part, and then you say, well, OK, maybe maybe the CCP wants to have a go in Taiwan. | ||
| I think high likelihood that they do so during the Biden administration. | ||
| They won't do it this fall because Xi has to be reelected. | ||
| You think he'll wait till after the 20th Party Congress? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You don't think he goes beforehand to show national unity? | ||
| No, I doubt it. | ||
| If I were a betting man, I would say next spring, around May, once the winds die down in the Straits, that's the time to do an amphibious invasion. | ||
| Are they going to do something in South China Sea first? | ||
| And I want to know, from your mind, is it an amphibious invasion or is it an air and naval blockade? | ||
| Because, correct me if I'm wrong, It's 90 miles away, which is further than Normandy, in Normandy from southern England, and as big a logistics operation that was, which is the biggest, most complicated in history, this would be 10x that, right? | ||
| More of a living population. | ||
| In fact, I mean, to do what they would have to do in Taiwan, they would have to deliver a much bigger force. | ||
| We delivered what, 256,000 troops at 600,000? | ||
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In the first wave, 256,000. | |
| Yeah, but within the first four days there were 600,000 men over the beach. | ||
| But my point is, 600,000 came because the fighting, at least on the beach, had died down on day one. | ||
| 256 hit it. | ||
| You'd think we'd have defense enough. | ||
| And I know there's been some concerns about the Taiwanese are still thinking, Old warfare and not modern anti-defense warfare. | ||
| Walk us through that. | ||
| And do you think it's going to be an amphibious invasion or more of a naval and air blockade? | ||
| The announcement made by the Chinese about two weeks ago where they now declare the Straits not to be international waters. | ||
| That it's all considered home waters. | ||
| You wouldn't see that in the mainstream media here. | ||
| Talk to people. | ||
| It's a big deal. | ||
| Yeah, the Australian papers covered it because it obviously matters to them a lot. | ||
| But the fact that China declared the Straits of Taiwan no longer international waters, it's all considered part of China's home waters, is a big deal. | ||
| It was considered free for commercial vessels before, and now it's all considered their waters. | ||
| And so that kind of gives them the same license, like Putin declaring that Crimea and the Donmah is Russian territory, and he's going to consider a special military action. | ||
| So now it's not even considered a foreign war by China policy. | ||
| It's a special military project inside of China. | ||
| They claim, remember, when we took over the White House in 2016, the guys flew over in the transition, Tiger Yang and those guys, and they make the case, we're sitting there, Flynn, myself, Navarro, and Jared, and they make the case that the South China Sea is an internal sea. | ||
| Remember, they've got that whole theory of the case. | ||
| We said, hey, new sheriff in town, new rules, right? | ||
| Trump doesn't see the world like that. | ||
| He thinks the South China Sea and the Straits of Taiwan are free navigational spaces for the world. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Look, the CCP. | ||
| In my travels in China, I managed to have dinner with the head of the state-owned enterprise that built all those islands. | ||
| And he said it was never in their wildest dreams to build those, never in their strategic plan, but they found the Obama administration to be so vapid, they just took it. | ||
| And most importantly, Biden was in charge of that. | ||
| Remember, Biden was put in charge of the pivot to Asia. | ||
| He has two responsibilities. | ||
| they had that China had for the previous hundred years came by sea and so they staked their claim and Obama did nothing to stop it. And most importantly Biden was in charge of that. Remember Biden was put in charge of the pivot to Asia. He has two responsibilities. This is why he spent so many hours with Xi who was not the head then he was a number two guy. | ||
| His mandate was, I guess she had kind of taken over by the time, his mandate was not to militarize the South China Sea and to stop the cyber attacks on U.S. | ||
| corporations. | ||
| And of course they had the signing, and of course they totally militarized the South China Sea, and they do $600 billion a year in cyber attacks on American companies. | ||
| And again, it's it's unanswered provocations that the Chinese are allowed, you know, they're like the the bad neighbor that moves their their fence into your yard one, you know, three feet a year and Trump is the first one that said, hey, get the hell back on your side of the line. | ||
| And that's not happening now. | ||
| And so I worry that Taiwan is very susceptible to the kind of intimidation. | ||
| Fifth column, too. | ||
| Yeah, look, there's a huge fifth column inside Taiwan. | ||
| There's not nearly the national identity that you'd hope for because you have nationalists that moved there, you have a lot of the rural parts that still seek Japanese because it was a Japanese colony even before World War II. | ||
| So the big unknown is what would the Japanese do? | ||
| If the Chinese move there, move on it. | ||
| But the problem is the level and the credibility of the American response is really at issue and that invites provocation, that invites nonsense. | ||
| The same problem that the strategic uncertainty provided by the Biden administration on what would happen on Ukraine We're gonna talk NATO and Ukraine and all that in the next segment. | ||
| Amphibious assault or naval blockade? | ||
| I think they have to be over with it quickly, which to me means they would push towards an amphibious invasion, maybe even an airborne assault, which is two of the highest-risk military options to go to. | ||
| But, you know, if they just throw P for Plenty at it, I don't think Xi really worries about how many casualties he takes. | ||
| He just needs something done. | ||
| I think he's betting on just flat-out intimidation to carry the day. | ||
| Eric Prince is in the house. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| These are the, uh... Boy, he picked it up from Gap. | ||
| He picked it up from Gap. | ||
| There's something going around. | ||
| Prince is getting old. | ||
| Didn't you just have a birthday? | ||
| Are you breaking down on me? | ||
| You're getting older? | ||
| You're 35, right? | ||
| Right so. | ||
| You act like you're 19. | ||
| By the way, nice haircut. | ||
| Makes you look like you're about 11. | ||
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| For our podcast audience, Eric has got a high and tight. | ||
| He looks 10 or 15 years younger. | ||
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Short break. | |
| 10 or 15 years younger. Short break, we'll be back in a moment. | ||
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Lift up your hands ye heroes and swear with proud disdain | |
| The wretch that would ensnare you shall spread his net in vain Should Europe empty all her force will meet them in arms We're back. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| The music's been amazing. | ||
| It's Diane Torres. | ||
| Make sure you go online and get that. | ||
| We were going to talk about the NATO meeting last week, and I think, because we're underwriting the whole thing, how crazy it is. | ||
| But Prince, one of the things I love about you is you get obsessed by certain things. | ||
| You've been obsessed by encryption. | ||
| You've been obsessed by security, particularly in communications. | ||
| Walk me through. | ||
| You're one of the founders, a big part of this Unplugged. | ||
| Our audience loves it. | ||
| I've gotten tremendous feedback, but I want to get you in and talk about why you had the idea, why you've been so obsessed about working on this, both on the app side and the encryption side. | ||
| Steve, I think any of your listeners would agree that the pendulum of big government and big government tech, surveillance state, surveillance capitalism has swung way too far in one direction, and these big tech companies collect and monetize your data, and worse than that, they control what data your phone has access to via the app stores that they control. | ||
| So I, with some friends of mine, have developed a completely independent platform of phone with its own operating system, with its own secure messenger. | ||
| It's called Unplugged. | ||
| And we're coming to market. | ||
| The app suite is available now at unplugged.com forward slash war room, where you can download and use our app suite on any Android phone now with secure messenger, VPN, antivirus. | ||
| The phone's coming in the fall. | ||
| Late summer, fall. | ||
| In the interim, you guys have the app, which will be the app on the phone. | ||
| So you don't have the physical phone itself, but you're going to have the app. | ||
| And the app has two functions to it. | ||
| One is about bringing in other apps that can't follow you and monetize you. | ||
| Or cancel you. | ||
| How can you do that? | ||
| And the other is the encryption. | ||
| Encryption messenger. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| And whether you use, I won't say their names, but some of the other high-end considered free apps, the problem is you get one encryption key when you download that. | ||
| Ours generates a new encryption key every call. | ||
| How can you do that? | ||
| Just the technology you guys have? | ||
| It's our tech, and we have a really smart and capable team, and our guys come from the cyber hacking offensive cyber world, so they know how to harden a phone. | ||
| They know how nation states go at phones to target them, and so we control those endpoints and make it exceedingly difficult, if not impossible. | ||
| For a regular audience member out there, what is the difference between having an encrypted encryption key on every call you make versus one that comes down and that's what you got? | ||
| It makes it exceedingly difficult to try to get after your communications. | ||
| And also by controlling the endpoints, right? | ||
| Even WhatsApp, they say, is encrypted. | ||
| But the problem is, Facebook owns WhatsApp and they look at all your data that's coming in one phone through their servers and out the other end. | ||
| Zuckerberg paid $20 billion for WhatsApp because every bit of data that you pass through WhatsApp is analyzed and resold. | ||
| And I learned that the hard way. | ||
| Well, not learned. | ||
| It was very apparent to me because I managed to really piss off my wife. | ||
| And she sent me a... I'm so shocked by that. | ||
| She sent me a scorcher of a message On WhatsApp. | ||
| And for the next two weeks, she was getting advertising from divorce lawyers and from Match.com. | ||
| And so, I think all your listeners would probably agree that they were talking... And I don't want to say what she hit the bid on, so... Anyway... Married but dating. | ||
| We are the answer... No. | ||
| Hell no. | ||
| No. | ||
| The problem is, Big Tech monetizes you. | ||
| They collect and resell your data to the tune of about $180 per year. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Whether you're an Android user or an Apple user, our phone is completely independent and we will, in our user agreement, make it very clear we do not collect, we do not store, we do not analyze or resell your data. | ||
| If you're frustrated by big tech controlling Your electronic life, we are the answer. | ||
| If you've seen the movie The Social Dilemma on Netflix, watch it if you haven't. | ||
| We are the antidote to that problem. | ||
| So please join us. | ||
| Unplug.com forward slash war room and get on the train because we're leaving the station and we're going to give patriots left, right and center The means to communicate freely and securely. | ||
| Download the app, and then the phone's coming in fall. | ||
| But if you have an Android phone, it works on that, so just get the app. | ||
| Last week in... I thought a huge... We're over there, and you've got this British general that's saying, hey, it's the 1937 moment. | ||
| That's disturbing enough. | ||
| What really disturbed me was Biden's over there. | ||
| We have 100,000 combat troops forward deployed to Poland into the Baltics. | ||
| We now have announced that we're going to create a new headquarters, 5th Army Headquarters. | ||
| It's going to be permanently stationed in Poland. | ||
| We have six destroyers that are now going to go to Rota Spain on a Mediterranean patrol. | ||
| We have a first time since D-Day, in fact, I would actually argue the night before D-Day, the 101st Airborne has now done a combat deployment, a combat brigade team is forward deployed to Romania, 3,500 101st Airborne Screaming Eagle combat troops in Romania. | ||
| If I was Russia, this whole thing started because of Russia's concern about NATO's encirclement of them. | ||
| And now the solution is to have even, and Sweden and Finland are coming into NATO. | ||
| This week, if you're the Russians, and right now they're winning the war in eastern Ukraine, right? | ||
| They are. | ||
| And instead of, instead of trying to de-escalate, It looks like we're escalating, and what gets me, it's all American taxpayers' money and American kids. | ||
| I know your son just went into the military. | ||
| It's all American kids. | ||
| 100,000 combat troops. | ||
| And the head of the, the Secretary General of NATO is saying, we're going to have a 300,000 ready force. | ||
| And the guys in NATO, you watch the press and they go, what is he talking about? | ||
| This is all news to the NATO members. | ||
| What is going on? | ||
| Again, I think it's a big disconnect between press conferences and NATO-type announcements versus the actual boots and metal that are available on the ground. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| Russians, as the Ukrainians are experiencing the hard way, are really good at Artillery. | ||
| Field artillery. | ||
| The queen of battle. | ||
| They are king of battle. | ||
| They are rototilling eastern Ukraine with 10,000 artillery shells per day. | ||
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I cannot even imagine... They kind of did this in World War II. | |
| This is the way they fought the Wehrmacht, right? | ||
| The Wehrmacht... When they opened up on their final assault at Berlin, it actually generated a wind. | ||
| Okay, 6,000 artillery tubes firing at Berlin. | ||
| But I disagree with the premise of sending more US or NATO troops there to make the Russians feel deterred. | ||
| What would make the Russians deterred in Ukraine is more ability for the Ukrainians to actually fight back, to let them maneuver. | ||
| That would make the Russian army in the field feel much more threatened. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| Stop, stop, stop. | ||
| You give them two ways. | ||
| Far be it from me to give you tactical advice. | ||
| This is like sending the equipment over there. | ||
| The people are not trained. | ||
| It's hard enough to train the U.S. Army. | ||
| Army today, given the educational levels in the U.S. | ||
| Army, in the Marine Corps of the United States. | ||
| These guys are not trained. | ||
| This equipment is very sophisticated. | ||
| The combined arms operations are highly sophisticated, very digital. | ||
| Even if you send weapons in, you're just going to lead to more Dead Ukrainians. | ||
| Is there any doubt in your mind, knowing the mentality of the Russians, that they're going to leave an inch of Donbass in eastern Ukraine now that they shelled it and won it on the battlefield? | ||
| Military victories drive diplomatic breakthroughs. | ||
| And here's the thing. | ||
| I'll give one vignette on Ukraine five years ago, long before this fighting started. | ||
| They had a firefighter radar, which is a radar that is a high scan rate, so it actually sees an incoming artillery round and it tells you where it came from so you can shoot back. | ||
| That system from the United States broke, and instead of shipping it back to the United States because it was going to take too long, they not only fixed it in the field, but they hot-rodded it and doubled the range. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So the Ukrainians are not dumb. | ||
| These are not... | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, dealing with the Afghan forces, it was a 90% illiterate population. | ||
| That is not what you have in Ukraine. | ||
| So there's enough smart dudes there that can work more sophisticated... | ||
| By the way, I'm not saying that, but to train that up, that you have a combined arms operation that can compete with the Russian artillery. | ||
| You're just going to lead to more dent Ukrainians. | ||
| Do you believe there's any military solution right now for the West? | ||
| Because you've got Austin over there saying, we're going to drive... The purpose of what Blinken and Austin, we hear that Biden chewed them out later, but they said, we're to... | ||
| We're into the degradation of the Russian military in Ukraine. | ||
| That means the United States is going all in to support an offensive war, correct? | ||
| Well, here's the thing. | ||
| At the rate, I think the Russians will probably try an amphibious invasion, or operation, next month. | ||
| In Odessa? | ||
| I would say southwest of Odessa, and they would push up... Southwest of Odessa? | ||
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Correct. | |
| Called Dofia, isn't it? | ||
| So, well, there's the Trans-Dniester area, which is a Russian kind of autonomous area. | ||
| You mean they're going to try to get the land bridge, they're going to try to seize Odessa? | ||
| One of the great battles, the Sevastopol and the Odessa World War II? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And there's another, I think, 75,000 Russian troops in Brest, which is in the southwest corner of Belarus. | ||
| And if they push south and they do a pincer in the west, that's a big, big problem for the Ukrainians. | ||
| And they end up taking the whole country. | ||
| You do believe that they're still endeavoring to take Kiev and to take the entire country? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So wouldn't that, and do we have a military solution for that? | ||
| I do. | ||
| There are asymmetric things that the U.S. | ||
| could be providing that does not require any U.S. | ||
| There are asymmetric things that the U.S. could be providing that does not require any U.S. troops. | ||
| And in the same way where... | ||
| There ain't an asymmetric solution on earth that doesn't require American combat or NATO combat troops in western Ukraine. | ||
| If what you're saying is true, and this is the first time I hear it, if the troops in Brest up near Poland and you've got the southwest west of Odessa, which is pretty close to Moldavia and Romania, if you're saying a pincer move there, And you clearly haven't stopped them, what the happy talking MSNBC, and they're getting the land bridge, right, in eastern Ukraine. | ||
| The only way to stop that pincer move is through air assets, right? | ||
| You mean a Flying Tigers type thing for Ukraine? | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Okay, but that's fine. | ||
| There's 200 U.S. | ||
| combat aircraft already slated to retire this year, okay, like decided two years ago. | ||
| And who's going to fly them? | ||
| Ukrainians can fly them, or contracted pilots can fly them. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Okay, if you do the contract pilots, isn't that escalating this? | ||
| The Russians saying you guys are now actively engaged in combat operations? | ||
| They certainly have Chechens, and they have Wagner forces, and they have other contracted forces. | ||
| Look, there's different flavors and ways to slice this. | ||
| Is there any doubt in your mind, if pushed to it, Russia would use tactical nuclear weapons here? | ||
| I don't know that, even if Putin gave that order, that his field officers would actually carry that out. | ||
| That is a big threshold. | ||
| You think even for the Russian military? | ||
| Look, nuclear weapons have not been used since 1945. | ||
| We're breaking news here. | ||
| Is Erik Prince saying that in your knowledge, unclassified, of the Russian military structure, that if Putin gave an order to use a tactical nuclear weapon to thwart the West in Ukraine, you're not sure that command would be followed? | ||
| If it was threatening, if it was on Russian territory, if for some reason there was some miraculous... It was shot from Russian territory. | ||
| But if there was some breakout of Ukrainian military that pressed across into Russia... What about the missiles we send that can go 50 miles in? | ||
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The United States gave them... Those are conventional? | |
| We're not going to drop a nuclear weapon on them. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| No, but... | ||
| If Russia itself were actually threatened? | ||
| Yeah, maybe they would. | ||
| But Russia is not threatened. | ||
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| Okay. | ||
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The Russian army is winning right now. | |
| You say the Russian army is winning. | ||
| We monitor CNN and MSNBC 24 hours a day here at the World with our crack team. | ||
| We have never heard, except for every now and again, you never hear the fact that Russia's actually won this. | ||
| It's all, Russia's about to collapse, the military's been awful, they have casualties of 35 field grade officers. | ||
| That's a society that lost 25 million people in World War II. | ||
| Look, amazingly enough, the propaganda machine in Russia works well. | ||
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| Welcome back. | ||
| I got the sickly Eric Prince. | ||
| God, Gaffney had it, now you got it. | ||
| I want to welcome everybody here and really thank the Real America's Voice team for helping us put together these specials over the week. | ||
| It's been fantastic. | ||
| Everybody in Denver has done a great job. | ||
| Our team here has done a great job. | ||
| I want to thank Gaffney, Mosher, Brian Kennedy, and of course Eric Prince. | ||
| Eric, so I just believe this forward deployment, the forward deployment of these troops, the money we're putting up, the blood and treasure of America, once again, from World War I to World War II to the Cold War, it's always the United States bailing out Europe. | ||
| They've got, all of them have health care. | ||
| You go to Switzerland, Northern Italy, Germany, the most beautiful places on earth, they're living high in the hog. | ||
| American people are underwriting this. | ||
| It's a complete, unacceptable disaster for the American people, sir. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Trump was right to complain about most of those NATO countries not spending even 2% of their GDP. | ||
| And this is long before Russia rolls into Ukraine. | ||
| And yet today, Germany is the ultimate freeloader with the biggest economy in Europe, and they're not doing a whole lot to help with any kind of deterrence. | ||
| Yeah, they announced that they were going to spend $100 billion on defense. | ||
| It's not real, and they're really not going to do it. | ||
| So that is a huge problem. | ||
| The Brits have stepped up. | ||
| The Brits are all in. | ||
| They have, having fought two major land wars... But the British General's talking about 1937. | ||
| These guys are itching to get into a shooting war with Russia. | ||
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Oh no. | |
| Is there anything on your mind? | ||
| No, they do not. | ||
| But I think they also realize the mistakes made, that Chamberlain made in the 30s, giving away Sudetenland to a voracious Adolf Hitler, that if they had not been so quick to give away the Sudetenland, it might have prevented the spread of Nazi Germany, because the Sudetenland was the most defensible part of the Czech Republic. | ||
| In this case, The Biden administration was willing to give away all of eastern and southern Ukraine already in March to Putin to try to make this go away. | ||
| Let me give you a newsflash. | ||
| Europe for Europeans. | ||
| The whites in Europe have got to defend themselves. | ||
| Sixty percent of the country doesn't even want to serve in the military. | ||
| They can't even get guys to recruit. | ||
| It's a joke. | ||
| Europe has got to step up. | ||
| If your team of elites were to cut them loose, they're on their own. | ||
| Until the people over there start overthrowing these governments with populist governments, they should be on their own. | ||
| We've got to focus on the... Look, the two hot spots in the world are the Kashmir and the South China Sea. | ||
| Those are places that you could start a real third world war with. | ||
| With China and India on one side, and Pakistan on the other, and the South China Sea with Taiwan, the United States, and the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| And the Chinese Communist Party sees us right now as spread out, no strategy, no design, and they're coming for us. | ||
| Adrift. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I think someone needs to do an analysis of just how badly U.S. | ||
| industry would be if we are beholden to a Taiwan controlled by the CCP. | ||
| The economy would drop 25%. | ||
| Ford, GM, and Chrysler are going to stop production because they can't make a vehicle without chips coming from Taiwan, so it is a... There's no doubt in your mind, Silicon Valley West? | ||
| Yes, and they have invested hundreds of billions of dollars in that capability, and that's a problem if it falls under the dominance solely of the CCP. | ||
| I can't get your mind right on that. | ||
| You know, you're still one of these... You've got still a little bit of neocon in you. | ||
| I've got to work with you more. | ||
| You still, you don't have a problem with us being up-armored in supporting NATO. | ||
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NATO has got to stand on its own two feet. | |
| I'm not in favor of sending U.S. | ||
| troops forward, but I am in favor... Would you pull back the 101st Airborne out of Romania? | ||
| It's noise. | ||
| Look, the airborne, sorry, airborne division against a tank division is not a very realistic fight. | ||
| So it's mostly... That's even worse. | ||
| The Americans are just... | ||
| That's a feel-good press release to make the Biden administration feel like they're doing something. | ||
| I would rather have substantive weaponry going to the Ukrainians, because say what you want, as imperfect as Ukrainian democracy might be... Would our armored battalions, if it came in through Poland, get chewed up by Russian artillery? | ||
| I guess the close air combat support would be the difference, right? | ||
| The Russian artillery wouldn't be around because you have to establish air dominance and there's not enough capability of that going forward. | ||
| Does that trigger a third world war? | ||
| I mean a third world kinetic war. | ||
| We're already in a third world. | ||
| We've got the gathering storm. | ||
| We're already in a hybrid third world war, the beginning phases of it. | ||
| Would that trigger a major kinetic conflict? | ||
| Deterrence prevents major conflict, and we did not, the Biden administration did not provide any deterrence to dissuade Putin from going in, and they're not doing enough now. | ||
| What's the deterrence? | ||
| We've got two minutes. | ||
| What's the deterrence, the military deterrence, for in Western Europe or Eastern Europe to the Russians right now? | ||
| What would he see as deterrence? | ||
| Putin. | ||
| Providing them some air power so you could stop the Russians from taking pot shots at any target in Ukraine that they wanted to. | ||
| What do you mean, air power? | ||
| You're thinking of the Flying Tigers? | ||
| Whether it's providing old U.S. | ||
| combat aircraft or something else, some well-flown aircraft there... Are they not going to say that's right there, escalation, and we consider that an act of war? | ||
| Well... They've already implied that, haven't they? | ||
| Yeah, but they're shooting missiles, and they're hitting shopping malls, and they're... Look, deterrence matters. | ||
| And the Japanese might have said, well, you're sending the Flying Tigers in the 1930s. | ||
| But we did it, and we stopped the Chinese cities from being slaughtered. | ||
| Deterrence matters, and conflict amounts to a continuum of conflict, it's not a binary on or off. | ||
| We must deter, right? | ||
| Letting the Ukrainians get rolled, bad idea, it will empower the Chinese to do something really bad in Taiwan. | ||
| We have no dog in this fight, but if we had a dog in this fight, what's your assessment in 30 seconds, on a scale from 1 to 10, 10 being perfect, 1 being a disaster, the Russian military in eastern Ukraine however they performed. | ||
| After a very bad initial start, where they didn't choose the weather and the timing very well, they have certainly resorted to their default go-to, which is artillery, road-tilling, static positions. | ||
| Because the Ukrainians don't have the ability to maneuver, they can just be hammered in a static position by their artillery, and that's a losing formula, a war of attrition that the Ukrainians will lose. | ||
| That's why I say change it up with a little bit of air power or some kind of deep strike to put the Russians on their back heel. | ||
| Scale of 1 to 10. | ||
| 10 being metaphysical certitude, 1 being not going to happen. | ||
| Amphibious assault on Odessa by the Russians. | ||
| Um, well over 50% chance. | ||
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| I want to thank you very much for coming in. | ||
| Enjoy the rest of the 4th of July weekend. | ||
| On Monday, we're going to have a very special show. | ||
| You're not going to want to miss it. | ||
| We're talking about the Declaration of Independence, the philosophical background, but also the war that freed America. | ||
| Dave Brandt will be in studio. | ||
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