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Episode 1,963 – Is Stenger The New Vince Foster; Juggernaut Of The Life MovementEpisode 1,963 – Is Stenger The New Vince Foster; Juggernaut Of The Life Movement
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Health officials are investigating more than 100 possible cases in the US.
Germany, a man has contracted the virus.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus.
Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500.
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We have to prepare for the worst, always.
Because if you don't, then the worst happens.
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Pandemic.
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steve bannon
Okay, it is Tuesday 28 June.
Wow, two days into the first half of the year.
Unbelievable.
Run up to the 4th of July.
I've asked the one and only Jack Posobiec to change his schedule around the day because there's nobody busier in this town than Jack.
To join us.
Jack, do we have the clip ready?
Tell me when we got the clip ready.
There's something happened yesterday, Jack, and I've been in the show here for the last couple hours and getting ready for the show.
I don't know if they've updated about how this guy died, but it's Stenger and he's mastered arms of the Senate.
What was his billet?
Why is he important?
Sergeant Arms, why is he important?
And why is this huge firestorm around town about how he died yesterday?
unidentified
Well, so there were two things going on last night that I think became conflated for a lot of people.
And one of those was that the January 6th Committee had been hyping up this story about having a secret Witness that they were gonna bring in and that they were gonna bring in as this newly scheduled day They weren't scheduled to have a hearing they're doing another hearing secret witness not sure who it's gonna be there They're sending it out to all the bookers right press release is going all over the place and then suddenly we hear the story From Chad Pergram over at Fox who he's rock-solid Chad Pergram.
He's just rock-solid right who says that he's got the story and That the Senate Sergeant, because of course, in D.C., right, everyone's all chattered, the chattering class is, who's the witness, who's the witness, who's the witness, then suddenly Chad Pergram comes up and says, the Senate Sergeant of Arms, who was the Sergeant of Arms on January 6th, has suddenly passed away.
And people, you know, were already primed to be asking who was a witness.
They thought, could it be this guy?
Well, it turns out that the secret witness was not going to be this guy Stanger.
The secret witness, it turns out, is going to be this junior staffer.
Cassidy Hutchinson for Mark Meadows, who may have been... Okay, okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, stop, stop.
steve bannon
They bring everybody back.
They hype this.
And even on MSNBC, they're saying, hey, this has got to be a congressman or a cabinet member or somebody huge to call it back and make some drama.
Are you telling me?
That it's the grundoon that was like somehow on on Meadows staff.
That's what this whole thing's about today.
This is the whole stop everything.
This is going to be huge.
This is what little Jamie Raskin is putting forward as as as the as to get everybody to stop in their tracks and cut TV on at one o'clock today.
A grundoon.
unidentified
Right that that's her and and and we've already we've already gotten leaked testimony out of her talking about well I I was in this meeting and I may have heard something here and I Overheard something there about Meadows and Pence and it's it really just goes back into these innuendos, right?
You know hearsay kind of things and I think really that The reason that the January 6th committee has been panned so much is that they haven't really been able to produce Much of anything in terms of remember they told us that there was a criminal conspiracy to to incite a coup and an insurrection to overthrow the government of the United States of America And instead, what they've got are junior staffers and text messages taken out of context, going after Clarence Thomas' wife, right?
And just all of these witch hunts without any actual incriminating evidence.
steve bannon
Okay, I think we got the clip.
Let's play this clip and then I want observations, thoughts, and analysis from the one and only Jack Posobiec.
If Denver can go ahead and play it.
unidentified
There is an opportunity to learn lessons from the events of January 6th.
Investigations should be considered.
As to the funding and traveling, what appears to be professional agitators.
First Amendment rights should always be considered in conjunction with these investigations.
Law enforcement coordination in the National Capital Region should be reviewed to determine what can be done in a more efficient, productive manner.
Intelligence collection and dissemination, training and concepts on the use of force must be consistent.
This integration should be accomplished without regard to self-interest and force.
In conclusion, whenever you prepare for a major event, just always consider the possibility of some level of civil disobedience at these demonstrations and plan accordingly.
The events of January 6th went beyond disobedience.
It was a violent, coordinated attack where the loss of life could have been much worse.
This concludes my prepared remarks.
steve bannon
In fact, please tell me in the greatest investigation in the history of the FBI, and that's coming from the FBI, in the greatest investigation in the history of DOJ, and that's coming from Merrick Garland's own lips, the greatest investigation in the history, please tell me that they got this guy, that J6, He already has a long deposition by this guy that took, you know, he's obviously got to be longer than Rudy Giuliani's seven and a half hours.
They have that, correct, Jack?
They've got that?
They've deposed him about the professional agitators?
Please tell me that Ray at the FBI and Merrick Garland at DOJ and little Jamie Raskin and Dick Cheney in a wig, all of it, all of it, they've got nine hours of this guy grilling him like they grilled Rudy.
They have that, right, Jack?
unidentified
Well, Steve, unfortunately, what you're hearing there is not the January 6th committee.
That was his testimony to a Senate committee all the way back in February of 2021.
So over a year, almost a year and a half ago, right?
So this was, keep in mind, we've had Senate investigations into this.
We had an impeachment over this.
Now we've got the House committee into this.
Stenger, we don't know if he's gotten his testimony, but I'll tell you one thing.
I haven't seen any information about these professional agitators that he's talking about here because that was something and we know that there were people talking about this.
I certainly talked about the agitators.
I was on the war room on, I think January 7th, right?
Talking about people that I saw in that crowd that were turning to peaceful couples that had come there that were holding their American flags, telling them, right?
And then we later see these Ray Epps videos, but it's very similar sorts of messages that you need to go into the Capitol.
You've come so far.
You can't stop now.
Our enemies aren't out here.
Our enemies are in there.
These are the things that these people were saying.
And they were, they were nondescript.
The one individual that I saw in particular was wearing a green poncho, had a beard and was telling these, these couples, and you can see the couple standing there going, yeah, I don't think we want to do that.
We're just going to stand out here and protest.
We're not trying to go up into Capitol grounds on what you're saying.
And so, there were people that were clearly in a pre-planned operation, deciding that they wanted people to go in, and that we haven't seen any actual evidence of this.
steve bannon
This is why it's a sham.
You've got to have a ranking member, you've got to have a counselor, you've got to have a real company.
In the investigation.
In the investigation.
Okay, but here's the thing.
Rodney Davis, who was on this show, he's running against Mary Miller today out in Illinois, but he's the ranking member on House Administration.
There's a tweet, I think, from him the day after this saying, hey, all of these guys gave conflicting testimony.
All of them.
And he just sent a letter a couple weeks ago to preserve your documents to Nancy Pelosi.
Because he was on this show, and what did Rodney David, and he's no fire breather.
He's kind of a rhino.
He said, hey, I was given an intelligence brief on the afternoon of the 5th, and it doesn't comport to what anybody has said or any intelligence I've seen after that.
And he says, I got that from the head of the Capitol Hill Police Intelligence Unit.
And he sent a preserve your documents.
So Jack, what the heck is going on here?
And have they, it's been 24 hours, have they, have they, hold it, have they released yet how this guy died?
unidentified
Negative.
We have not seen cause of death.
We haven't seen reports coming out of MPD in D.C.
at all yet.
But Steve, what he's referring to there, those conflicting statements, and this is something that I remember covering in great detail on Human Events Daily as well as in the War Room.
We were looking at Irving, who was the Master of Arms, the Sergeant at Arms for the House.
We were looking at Stenger, who was the Sergeant of Arms for the Senate, and we were looking at Chief Sund, who was the Chief of the Capitol Police.
And the question that we were looking into in those early days, the question that's still yet to be answered, who was it that denied the request for the National Guard?
Why did they deny the quest?
Because we know the President made the request.
We knew that way before Kash Patel put it out, right?
We had it from Miller and we had it from others, that they said that the President requested 10,000.
But somebody denied it.
Somebody shut this down along the way.
Now we know across the river, at the Pentagon, they were saying on no uncertain terms that they did not want National Guard there.
But we also saw that the request was denied from somewhere in that Capitol Police and the Sergeant-at-Arms infrastructure.
That was the testimony that they were all fighting over because they were each pointing the finger at everybody else.
steve bannon
But here's where I feel good.
There's no problem.
Because Dick Cheney and Drag and Little Shifty Shift and Swalwell and Little Jamie Raskin and Benny, they clearly got this guy.
They've got Rudy the Grilling for seven and a half hours, Clark.
Eastman, they're calling everybody up there, right?
I'm sure they've got his 7 or 8 or 9 or 10 hours to get to that exact point.
Jack, they have to have that, right?
Obviously, they're going to have the big reveal of what happened.
They have to have this.
Please tell me they've got this.
They've got this, don't they, Jack?
They couldn't have not had this guy already.
unidentified
Of course, they've got all of that.
They've got that right next to the Ray Epps files, and the informants, and all the text messages that they're making with it.
Yeah, yeah, Steve.
If they have that, it's never going to see the light of day, because this was not an investigation.
This was a witch hunt in search of a crime, in search of what they call the detrumpification project of America.
They are trying to smear and dirty up and muddy up anybody who's associated with Trump, who, by the way, like when you talk about Jeffrey Clark and John Eastman, People who could be in line for another Trump administration, Jeffrey Clark potentially for AG, that's a Senate confirmed role.
So any of these people that would have to go through the Senate confirmation process, they're going to try to load up as much as they can on them.
January.
Because they are terrified of President Trump taking office again and then launching investigations.
Oh no.
By the way, the investigations better be starting come January when we have the new House.
January.
When President Trump takes over again.
Now you've got a new DOJ.
Because so they're doing anything they can to prevent these people from getting into that cabinet.
steve bannon
Please don't tell me.
Please don't tell me that.
No wonder the networks won't put this on broadcast.
Please don't tell me that today is going to be Meadows Grundon.
That can't be.
They can't possibly have sold that as like a breathtaking, amazing evidence, new evidence.
We got to get it in here.
It's a Grundon.
It's Meadows Grundon.
Is that it?
Is that what I got today?
unidentified
That's what we're getting, Steve.
You know, I actually, my vote was for the documentarian.
Do you remember that clip he posted with Trump and the water glass?
Have you seen this one where he's like, put it here.
No, put it here.
No, put it there.
No, wait, take it off.
No, put it back.
Get the doily.
I love, I could watch that all day.
steve bannon
I haven't seen.
My interest is not strong enough to see this.
unidentified
Get the lighting.
Lights down.
Lights up.
Lights down.
Have you seen?
Trump will be like that with the lighting.
steve bannon
He's so concerned.
unidentified
Shot composition, lighting.
People don't realize, behind the scenes, before that camera goes on, he's in total control of that environment.
steve bannon
Jack, I'm going to hold you for a minute because I've got to get your thoughts from the ridiculous to the sublime.
The southern border, 46 humans died horribly, more in the hospital right now.
I tell people this happens every day.
unidentified
I think it's up to 50 now, I just saw.
steve bannon
50 and brutally died.
Right.
So that's the southern border.
But Biden's wandering around Europe.
Give me your assessment right now.
We got about 90 seconds, about a minute here, and I'm a hold you over your assessment of Biden's Biden's trip to Europe, sir.
unidentified
Well, I think it's almost a complete non-event.
I mean, the only thing anyone's talking about is whether or not the guys are wearing ties, and he doesn't even know how to properly wear a shirt without a tie, by the way.
You need your shirt staged, you need to unbutton the top button.
He has no idea what he's doing, right?
This is, it's the blind leading the blind over there, and I think most of the people, like Macron, Boris Johnson, and the rest of them are saying, we're just waiting for him to kind of get out of the way so that they can then go and actually do the business of running Europe without him.
steve bannon
Jack, I guess we got it.
What's your social media?
How do you get to Human Events Daily?
unidentified
Yeah, Human Events Daily, of course, Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts, Twitter, Getter, at Jack Posobiec.
We are there 24-7, coming a little hot.
A little hot, but we've got videos, we've got clips, we've got it all.
steve bannon
A little hot.
It's Jack Posobiec.
Jack, thank you so much for joining us.
Thank you for staying on top of this.
I think, I'm not saying it's another Vince Foster.
We'll have to see.
Yep, I said the quiet part out loud.
unidentified
Jack Posovic, thank you very much.
steve bannon
Okay.
Mike Lindell, Steve Stern.
Bring in the heat next in the War Room.
unidentified
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steve bannon
OK, I don't often do this.
In fact, we never do this.
But I had to do it today.
Mike Lindell joins us now.
Steve and Brett Stern are going to join us in a moment.
So I got the hardest working combo platter in the nation here.
OK, Lindell, here's what we're going to do here in the War Room.
Because you are the hardest working man in America.
Steve Stern's number two.
I'm a distant third.
Okay.
And I know a lot of the audience, we're all distant thirds.
Uh, we're going to actually, it's your birthday today.
So the Warren Posse as a birthday gift to you, want you to take the day off and relax and rest.
Can you do that for us?
Uh, Mike Lindell, can you, can you actually take some time off just to be yourself?
unidentified
Yeah.
mike lindell
I'm bringing all my grandkids out on the lake today.
So yeah.
Great day.
I decided half a day.
I couldn't help the first half of the day, but I'm definitely gonna do it the rest of the day.
steve bannon
Well, we want you to take it off and then when you come back you can update me.
We had Tina Peters.
The reason I wanted you on today was to emphasize to our audience and to the nation and to all the haters that watch, because we do have a lot and that's great because I think we convert a lot of them, why the Tina Peters race is so important and why we want and why the left should want a Jenna Griswold-Tina Peters throwdown.
They should want this.
They should, Jenna Griswold should actually want to face Tina Peters so we can get it all out in the state of Colorado.
Which, hey, the Colorado's not one of the ones that was on January 6th was being contested.
But certain things have happened since then, and like I've said from day one, we're not machine guys.
We never have been.
Mike Lindell's been at the tip of the spear of that and fought hard for it, and essentially had his company crushed, or they tried to crush his company, to wit, the Walmart guys throwing you out of Walmart because of your political beliefs and your beliefs about this country.
Why should the Democrats, why should Gina Griswold versus Tina Peters be the title match Even for House and Senate race, everything like that, that should be the symbolic title match of the 2022 midterms, sir.
mike lindell
Well, it's, you know, the big thing they've been hiding for a year and a half is what's inside these machines.
And in the state of Colorado, that by Tina doing her job over a year and a half, over a year ago now, where her and others did their job, but she was the one that came forward with it, did a backup of her computer.
And we actually have, uh, it's out there publicly on Frank speech.
Now what's, what, what did we find?
We found an algorithm that went through, went through the whole election and any election to follow.
So it is the tip of the spear and she's been nothing but attacked, attacked.
And then she said, you know what?
I'm just like so many other great Patriots in our country.
Um, she said, if I can't, if I can't beat them here, I'm just going to run for secretary and fix all this and fix this.
Fix what's going on in Colorado and across our country.
And, um, she was up, uh, eight in the polls last night.
She was up by eight.
We have guys watching today, watching it very closely, uh, as the votes come in, uh, just like we did in Georgia.
And what did we find that happened in Georgia?
Remember a Democrat there got zero votes in her own precinct.
You think that wasn't with the machine?
Um, so it'll be interesting, Steve, to see if they steal it from her in this primary.
Or if they say, hey, we can't, the whole world's watching, we better not do it now.
They seem to double down.
Just when I think they're not going to do something crooked again, they do it again and again and again.
It's like, it's like the evidence just keeps on blessing us.
steve bannon
Let me let me ask for the audience.
Let's say let's assume that people say, hey, Dominion has been is their their business, the other companies, their business and the machines of the machines.
But if we want to go to the French model, if we just want to go and say, hey, let's go back to the old, they do it in France.
We've got to be able to do it here.
We've got to be able to just have paper ballots, have the community come together in some sort of team effort, hand count them, and by 10 or 11 o'clock at night, you know, France gets it done with 80 million people, they just had the regional elections, it all gets done.
For our audience, if you just want to go to the French model, and you're not disparaging machines to say, hey, we've got to go back to the old-fashioned way.
What hope do people have that that's going to happen?
And what's the process?
Is that through the courts?
Do they have to change election laws?
You're the guy that's been at the tip of the spear here.
Tell our audience how that's going.
If people just want to go, I want to follow France.
I want to do it that way.
What's the path of least resistance?
mike lindell
That's what I've been doing.
That's the main thing we've all been doing in this effort.
We've been going county by county in the country.
You can go to your county commissioners out there and say, hey, we don't want these machines in a lot of states.
Some states are from the top down, some are from the bottom up.
There are ones we've started now, preliminary injunctions, where Arizona, Alabama, South Dakota is going to come right after the 4th of July.
We're going to go Florida, Texas, all these other states.
Those will be before a judge.
And everyone says, oh, come on, Mike, a judge isn't going to rule on that.
They're going to push it down, kick the can down the road.
Not true.
These are emergencies.
We're in an emergency state where we show the state, here's the evidence this happened in your state.
We cannot use these machines in the upcoming election or we lose our country forever.
These are making great progress and they're going to be ruled on very quickly.
And by the way, Steve, I've finally found Friendly Secretaries of State.
So I've been telling them I haven't found one yet.
I've found at least four or five now and there's gonna be some very big news coming out later this week.
And I think if we all work together as a country, nobody, whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, should ever want these machines or computers in an election again.
I got to say one thing about that election in Georgia should be an example to everyone.
Three Democrats ran.
It was May 24th.
Her and her husband got zero votes in her own precinct.
Brad Rassenberger, the Secretary of State of Georgia, looks into it and says, oh, it was a programming error in the machines.
She got 3,700 votes, catapulting her from third to first place.
If that's not an example that we have to get rid of these machines, I don't know what is.
If anyone wants to learn all about it, go to frankspeech.com.
Go there.
We have all the injunctions.
We have the evidence.
Everything's there, Steve.
steve bannon
Okay, we'll put it up on the site.
Mike, we'll get it up there.
You've worked hard enough today.
I know you've got some stuff to clean up, but get out there on the lake with the grandkids.
They deserve it and you deserve it.
You're a great hero and patriot, sir.
mike lindell
Yeah, thank you.
And everybody, if you're in Colorado, get out and vote for Tina Peters.
This is one of the most important primary elections ever.
Thanks, Steve.
Thanks for having me on.
God bless you all.
By the way, everybody, on my birthday, if you order from The War Room right now, I'm going to give everybody a free copy of my book.
unidentified
Amen.
steve bannon
I love that.
The book is, you can't put it down.
Incredible story.
Incredible arc to Mike Lindell's life.
Thanks, Mike.
Let's go now to Steve Stern and Brett Stern.
Okay, before we talk, you guys and Steve, you're like Lindell.
You're working non-stop to build this Army of the Awakened, whether people are precinct strategy, whatever they want to get involved in.
You're saying, hey, sign up.
You're motivating people.
I know you guys had a big meeting last night.
But, since this is 4th of July, and we're going to have so many different specials and different things happening this week that people are going to be excited about, I want to make sure people can get to walk through the shirts, walk through how they see the selection of shirts, everything you guys have, the hats, all of it, because I want to make sure people have access to this, your amazing product offering for the 4th of July, sir.
steve stern
So, just to let everybody know, just before the show, we went out Brett and I were in the warehouse helping everybody get the goods out because From all the shows we've been on, we just inundated.
We got to work overtime.
So if anybody wants a shirt last minute, we'll get it out today.
Just go to www.theflagshirt.com.
Give me a call if you want.
Ask Stern 1054-AOL at 954-318-6902.
We'll answer all the calls.
We'll help you.
We know some people don't have computers.
We're getting a lot of calls from our people asking, how do we get the shirts?
And we'll take the call.
We'll get them out today.
If not, we'll get him out tomorrow.
You'll get him for the 4th of July.
Brett's going to tell you a little bit about what we're doing for Independence Day and how we're going to help our people celebrate.
unidentified
The first thing I want to say is that I think my dad's the hardest working man around.
Just so we're clear.
steve bannon
I think, by the way, Brett, I think it's a tie.
I agree with you.
I think it's a tie.
And hold it, I'm weighted towards Stern because he's 81, and I don't want to give up, you know, Lindell's too vain to let me say his age, right?
unidentified
Does Lindell dye his hair?
steve bannon
Okay, anyway, so I agree.
I think tie goes to the runner, so Stern, since he's 81, wins as hardest working man.
I agree with you, Brett.
unidentified
That's good, too, because he'll come in at four o'clock in the morning just to beat him.
So now that you said he's the best, he's good.
I want to say this Independence Day, really, I think this is the time where we got to show our patriotic spirit and everybody's got to be out there promoting patriotism.
You know, we're a family business that's been around since 1954.
My grandfather started the business, my dad, and now me.
This is the true American story this is what it's all about and we want to celebrate independence That's what Independence Day is the birth celebrating the birth of our independence and we are so thankful to you Steve and your team for Talking about our product and letting people know how they can become patriotic and show their patriotism So thank you.
steve stern
So we want to let everybody know to get Go ahead, you know, go ahead Steve jump in No, I was just going to say we want everybody to go to Amazon and buy Dan Schultz's book, www.ThePrecinctStrategy.com, because we need to get people involved.
I mean, luckily we had one million Democrats and Independents turn Republican.
That's part of the help.
But today I want to thank all the people out there like David Penn, Rick Sumter, Liz Nader, all these people from our team, Fred Vanhoff from all the different states that are getting people together.
So when people call me, I have to let them know from each state, and I give them, you know, to each state.
We got John Weldon, John Hearst, many, many people.
Susan Duffy from Maryland, Greg Dutton from Pennsylvania, I'm sorry, from Arizona.
We have Robert Beatles from Nevada, Michelle Terrace from Florida, Tom Vaughn for Florida.
All these people are working day and night.
I mean, I'm not the only one working day and night.
All these people out there, I want to tell them for Independence Day, go ahead and celebrate.
Get a flag shirt.
Give me a call.
We'll get it out for you.
If we have to, we'll send it overnight.
There are so many people helping, and I gotta shout out to my friend and my grandson, Alex Zeger, one of the young Republicans who's out there getting me all these people to help us.
Also, John Fredericks, who had us on the show, and Steve Gruber, who's helping us on the radio and also on the show, passing around all the stuff.
So we have lots and lots of people to thank, and of course, you're the best.
unidentified
We want to get double the amount of people on the One more time.
steve bannon
We've got 15 seconds.
How do people get to the site?
steve stern
www.theflagshirt.com.
We're going right out to the warehouse to get these orders out.
Going to the post office.
Many, many people have called it up.
They got it in two or three days.
Action, action, action.
Let's get on those phones.
Get on the emails.
steve bannon
Thank you, brother.
joy reid
I don't care what he said today, he has said in the past that if they get the Senate, they're gonna have to please the far-right base of the Republican Party by giving them the next thing they want, which is a contraceptive ban, bans on gay marriage, and they're gonna want a national abortion ban, right?
steve stern
Exactly.
unidentified
I think what everybody needs to understand is two things right now.
One is, I want to come back to the vote thing in a minute, but you're not going to be able to vote your way out of this.
It's going to take a little bit more than voting to get out of this situation.
That's number one.
Number two is, this has been a long game.
I said it on Twitter back when this first came announced back in May.
That, you know, this has been going on since the 1970s, even before the 1970s.
This is a project, and the project has been done lockstep with both Republicans and conservative Christians, both evangelicals and Catholics.
And so you have to understand that you are meeting right now a juggernaut.
Nobody believed that this could happen.
And it has happened.
And so what Mike Pence is doing is just picking up the ball where the ball is going to eventually go anyway, which is we want to get this across the nation.
We want to make sure that other laws get codified, which is what Alito said.
And this is all on a religious basis.
But let me make this clear.
Religion is just a shield for the power grab.
For many people who are in the pews, yes, they believe that they are pro-life and that you should be taking care of a child right from conception forward.
But for the people who are moving this, who are political, they know that this is a motivational tool for their voters to come out.
And what are Democrats going to motivate people with right now?
steve bannon
Wow.
That was very powerful.
It's one of the reasons you've got to watch MSNBC and CNN.
Sometimes you get these moments of clarity.
A juggernaut.
Father Pavone, you've... So there's a lot to unpack there.
A couple things.
Number one, did you ever think that you were part of a juggernaut?
See, the left is shattered, and here's why they're shattered.
You can see this about this dispirited protest they had up here over the last couple of days throughout the country is that they have depended upon the courts and the media and big tech to shield them and to have air cover for them that they've gotten lazy, very lazy.
And the smart ones like that woman understand it.
And so they don't know how to organize and they don't have the tenacity.
They don't have the tenacity and grit of what you and the life movement had from the beginning, which was, hey, this is going to take a long time, but we're going to persevere and make sure this happens and they'll eventually be a payoff.
It may take us decades.
And who in the United States can think through decades?
But Father, did you ever think that you would be accused of being part of one of the leaders of a juggernaut?
Father Pavone?
father frank pavone
You know, it's sad that they'd say, oh, we're interested in a power grab.
You know, we're trying to serve these babies.
We're trying to serve these moms and dads.
steve bannon
No, no, no, no.
I don't think, I don't think, I don't think she's saying that.
I think it's very sophisticated.
They're saying, hey, the Father Franks of the world and the guys in the pew are, they're pure as new driven snow.
They actually have a deep religious belief of this.
But there's more here than just that.
What she's saying is that, and I realize she's, you know, she's saying there's a power grab here and that you're essentially being used by people who want raw political power.
What say you about that?
father frank pavone
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, right.
And, you know, the Catholic project Using this kind of an approach was right from the very beginning when Bernard Nathanson began building the abortion lobby by creating all kinds of scenarios and lies and feeding them to the media.
This was very much in their mind too.
Let's make it look Like, the people are against what the church is actually saying, and that this way here we can drive a wedge between the leadership of the church and the people.
We can make it appear that there's this support for abortion.
And so that the Catholics always became the bad guys, and at the same time that they were the ones, of course, at that time trying to grab the power to shape the agenda and to create this entire industry that ended up being, of course, connected with the dictatorship.
the Democrat Party.
And you know, these people I think are projecting, Steve, what they themselves are trying to do.
There's no concern for the reality of what's underneath the, what's driving the pro-life movement.
No concern about life or about morality.
It's all about power for them.
And so it's easy for them to then project that to us.
For those that are in, that are in wielding political power, you know, we couldn't be more grateful that they're using that power in the right way.
And I think that's one of the things, too, that the Supreme Court decision is saying, is that, you know, the people need to decide these issues.
It can't be something that is imposed on them from above.
steve bannon
And you're, as a pro-life movement, open to that.
You're open to the fact that you're going to go back now into the states that don't have these either trigger laws or have already passed it and compete on the hustings like you have for getting pro-life candidates and pro-life legislators in.
That's a challenge that the pro-life movement is up to, correct?
father frank pavone
You know, in a lot of ways, Steve, the work of the movement doesn't change all that much.
What changes now is that the work we've been doing all along, including electing pro-life candidates, passing pro-life laws, is actually going to have more effect.
You know, as you know, so many laws have been passed on the state and federal level, and then the courts just blocked them from going into effect.
Now that roadblock is out of the way.
Our work remains very much the same.
Uh, passing the same kinds of laws.
In fact, we can be bolder and pass more protective laws.
And, uh, now they'll actually take effect.
You know, and we say protective laws.
What does the other side say?
Restrictive laws.
You're taking away rights.
You're oppressing women.
And we say we're protecting women.
We're protecting their babies.
And, uh, yes, as far as a nationwide, nationwide ban on abortion?
Listen, the court just said it's returning the issue to the people and their elected representatives.
Their elected representatives include their federal representatives.
So if the people say to their members of Congress, and I know our friends in Congress are figuring out as we speak, you know, what kind of law do we want to go for now?
unidentified
How far do we want to go?
father frank pavone
They need to hear from all our viewers.
They need to hear from the people now, saying, yes, we want these children protected, and you have a legitimate role here to play.
steve bannon
President Trump gave a full-throated, you know, shout-out at Illinois, this amazing rally he had there, and also stuff, the things he was putting up on Truth Social.
Republican leadership, a lot of the leadership, and even the leaders maybe of the Catholic Church, have you, a lot of people feel like they're embarrassed, or the left says the dog that caught the car.
Have you seen some people shying away from not just the victory itself, But what that means in going forward.
father frank pavone
Yes, I've seen both reactions.
A lot of people were telling me over the weekend, oh, I can't believe it, my priest didn't say a word about this!
And they're like astonished.
This is a key priority for the church and they're not even celebrating the victory.
On the other hand, of course, what I hear mostly from the Catholic bishops right now is let's come aside the women, as we always have been doing, but the women who feel they need to have an abortion, they don't see where there is help.
When I started out with Priests for Life, Cardinal O'Connor in New York, as you might recall, he put out a call that said anybody from anywhere who's pregnant and in need, come to me, come to the archdiocese.
We'll help you and your baby.
We'll make sure that you have the things you need.
That kind of compassionate call is very much a part of this work, and the bishops are putting their voices behind that now.
But at the same time, yeah, a lot of them are shy, and that's, of course, why our ministry got so much support right from the beginning, is because people want to say, what do we have to do to embolden our clergy?
And we know, because of the violence that's been threatened against churches, and some violence that's been carried out, You know, we're a target, and we have to have a fighting spirit.
I remember President Trump saying one time, he was on some kind of a conference call with Catholic bishops, and they were talking about education, and he said to them at a certain point, he says, you know, you guys have the right, you know, the right attitude on all these things, but you gotta fight a little harder, you know, you gotta be able to stand up for yourselves and fight.
And I think that the lack of that fighting spirit is a real, real liability, especially as we go into this new phase of the pro-life movement.
steve bannon
I want to get to that new phase here in a second, but are you telling me that you actually got contact from people that there are priests out there or parishes where this was not the lead part of the homily about this magnificent victory?
father frank pavone
That's right, Steve.
It wasn't even mentioned.
Many people said to me that.
It wasn't even mentioned.
Not in the homily, not in the announcements, not in the prayers of the faithful.
Not even a thank you, Lord, for the victory, you know, over Roe v. Wade.
Not a word.
And I said to those folks that told me this, I said, you know why there wasn't a word?
Because these priests have been practicing for 50 years not to say anything.
You know, these are the ones that have been, you know, as we at Priests for Life try to train them how to preach about abortion, how to pray, Lead the people in prayer about these issues.
And so many of them are just absolutely non-responsive.
It's very, very strange.
And a lot of them, well, first of all, a lot of them are Democrats, and they don't want to offend their friends in the Democrat Party.
This is what's going on with some of them.
Others are just afraid.
They're afraid of being criticized.
They're afraid of backlash.
unidentified
And they're more afraid of that than they are afraid of what the damage is.
steve bannon
How can they be Democrats given what the Democrat policies are now about this?
I mean, this is President Trump's, I think, greatest moment of all the debates.
When he called out Hillary Clinton, she basically had nothing to say about the late stage abortion.
How could they possibly?
The Democrats, this is not the beginning of what you guys fought in the 70s, 80s and 90s.
They are so radical today, right?
I mean, the chance that kids put up here and some of the awful stuff that they put forward for people to look at is, I mean, this has been radicalized.
father frank pavone
And that's, Steve, why I have been in recent years more and more explicit about this.
In fact, I wrote a couple of open letters to the bishops last year and the year before during the election cycle.
And I said, look, you know, we know that that the church is not supposed to be a political party.
But the fact of the matter is that the Democrats have become so radical, they have become so such enemies of the basic principles of the gospel that we've got to call them out by name.
You know, say, you know, Steve, St. Maximilian Kolbe, you know, everybody says, oh, there's a great story.
You know, he exchanges life for a prisoner in the in the Nazi camp.
But what they don't, the part of the story they don't tell is how he got there in the first place.
Why was he under arrest in the first place?
Because he was preaching and publishing and broadcasting as a priest against the Nazi party.
And I called on the bishops and the other priests and I said, look, we've got to start naming it when the church stands up.
Against the Democrats who are justifying baby killing, trying to redefine marriage in the family, indoctrinating our kids with evil, suppressing religious freedom.
When the church stands up against that, that's not the church being political.
That's the church being the church.
And so this is a major problem that must be addressed right now very explicitly.
steve bannon
We've got about 30 seconds in this and I'll hold you to it.
People are saying, hey, you should be quiet about this victory because it's going to hurt us in the polls.
More Democrats are going to show up.
What say you to that?
father frank pavone
No, no, this is not going to help the Democrats in the election.
And the reason is that people do not want unrestricted abortion.
People who vote on abortion, and there are a lot of them, it's a significant number of voters, they're clear on their position.
Pro-life voters are far more enthusiastic, polling shows us, than pro-abortion voters.
It's definitely an electoral advantage.
Anytime the issue is brought up, And in this case, you know, it's the extremism of the late-term abortion that's being highlighted.
And as people focus on this, they're going to realize our policies are way out of step with what they believe it should be.
Even people who are pro-choice and Democrat are saying there should be far more restrictions on abortion than there already are.
steve bannon
Father Frank, who's dedicated his life to this, priest for life.
I think he would tell you he doesn't feel like a juggernaut, no matter what MSNBC says.
Okay, the next phase of all of this, the work ahead, next in the world.
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steve bannon
Okay, here's the reality.
I mean, the reason I really, from my mom and my aunt and them back in the early days, when they were treated like they were in a cult, because they were going and seeing the rosary at these abortion clinics at the time.
I think they were doctor's offices.
It turned out to be prominent members of the community.
Oh, by the way, they're giving abortions.
But it was getting here with Andrew Breitbart in D.C.
and seeing that march and seeing there were hundreds of thousands of people, nobody covered, including Fox, and they were all young people.
It was really a movement of young people.
Lydia Taylor was on yesterday, the audience is still talking about her.
What, 19 years old?
The ambassador of Students for Life.
And her sign of what she's dedicated her life to do.
Father Provence, the other thing I think, and I don't think we tell the story well enough.
The two leading characters in the drama, Ro herself, Right?
And Nathanson, who turned this into an industry, they not just flipped, they became outright spokesmen for our side or for your side or for the side of life.
Tell people about that.
The story is not told well enough to realize that how this thing started, a lot of those people came to the side of life and became kind of fire breathers for that.
father frank pavone
That's right.
Well, Nathanson was the biggest abortionist, and he was really behind Roe v. Wade and the effort of the abortion people to get this case won.
And they did win, and then he became, after some years working with ultrasound, he became pro-life, but he was still an agnostic.
And I met him in those years when he was pro-life, but still didn't quite believe in God.
But little by little, he followed the truth where it led him.
And he saw the very kind of people you just mentioned, Steve, praying in front of the abortion mills.
He said, what's motivating these people?
What is it?
There's a force here that's bigger than meets the eye.
And it led him to start, and also the love of the pro-life people.
He said, the kindness that I was shown by these people cracked the shell of my atheism.
Long story short, he became a believer in God, and then he became a Catholic.
And I was able to see him be at his side through this process.
And he became a Catholic and then a bioethicist.
Now, Norma McCorvey was the Jane Roe of Roe v. Wade.
I befriended her shortly after she also became pro-life.
She became an evangelical Christian.
But then as she interacted with me over the years, She started asking me questions about Catholicism, and again, long story short, I received her myself into the Catholic Church back in 1998, and she spent the rest of her life working to reverse the very decision that bore her name.
She would so love this day that we're experiencing now, and seeing this thing finally reversed.
steve bannon
Where does this go next?
We had Liddy on here.
She says, hey, I want to abandon every 50 states.
I'm going to work at a state level.
These young fire breathers.
Where does this movement go next?
father frank pavone
Yeah, first of all, we have states where the climate is right to do more pro-life legislation.
So here in Florida, our 15-week law is going to go into effect in just a few days.
And lots of states are now ripe for good legislation.
Remember, everything's on the table.
I mean, this Rob's decision cleared the deck.
So we want to have any kind of regulations, prohibitions, any kind of pro-life laws.
People should be talking with their state legislators right now.
If you don't know who your state legislator is, get to know them now.
And work with them on pro-life legislation.
Steve, the other battlefront is the pro-abortion people who have now been told there's no right to abortion in the federal constitution are going to try to either put into or quote find in the state constitutions a quote right to abortion.
And that battle is underway for example now in Kansas and in Michigan.
There are important ballot initiatives that people need to be aware of in those states and this is going to pop up in various other states.
In time for these midterm elections, so we're going to have to battle about constitutional issues on the state level and people need to that's why I want people to read the decision read the Dobbs decision because a lot of the arguments that are used there will also be applicable on the state level when there are constitutional struggles here and then of course reaching out to help the pregnancy centers expanding their services is going to be a big part of the next phase of this as well.
steve bannon
Father Frank, there's a lot of people in this kind of Army of the Awakened we've got, and a lot of people focus on elections and school boards and things like that, and really know very little to nothing to zero about this.
What's the best way for people to learn more about this topic and to come to their own decision as an individual?
Where do they go to get information?
Where do they go to judge?
You know, one of the things, the first thing to do is look at what is an abortion.
We have a website called LookAtAbortion.org.
What is it that we're talking about in the first place?
A lot of conservatives say, hey, the pro-life thing is just something I don't get involved in.
How do they get access and where do they go to find out more?
father frank pavone
You know, one of the things, the first thing to do is look at what is an abortion.
We have a website called lookatabortion.org.
What is it that we're talking about in the first place?
And that really, really awakens a lot of people to study more about this issue.
And then at our site, at endabortion.us, we've got links to where people can find out if they wanna understand the medical impact of abortion.
How does it affect women's health?
What is the experience of those who have had an abortion?
That is key as well.
What are the statistics?
We have a whole thing there on the statistics about abortion.
What are the arguments?
We have a long section on questions, answers, how do we understand the different parts of this, and then of course the legal aspects, the Supreme Court decision that was just handed down.
People can find, we're linked to all the other major sources of this information, so we ask people to spend a little bit of time Doing a little bit of reading, doing a little bit of looking at the pictures, because the picture really paints the whole story of what abortion is.
And then I think, Steve, God will make clear to each person what it is that they're called to do in this movement, because as you say, there's a wide range of things they can be doing.
steve bannon
Father Frank, by the way, social media, how do they get to you?
How do they find out more about you personally and your work on Priests for Life?
father frank pavone
Yes, it's FRFrankPavone on all the major platforms.
FRFrankPavone.
I love to connect on social media.
steve bannon
Father Frank, thank you very much for joining us today.
father frank pavone
Thank you!
steve bannon
Okay, a lot's going to happen today.
They've got the hearing at 1 o'clock.
We're also going to get to the bottom of the Stegner situation.
A lot of economics, politics.
It's game day in New York and in Colorado.
Also down in Mississippi, there's runoff.
A lot happening.
Be back here 5 to 7.
It's going to be on fire.
That, I can guarantee you.
See you back here at 5 o'clock.
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