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Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world.
You don't want to frighten the American public.
France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans.
But you need to prepare for and assume.
Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China.
This is going to be a real serious problem.
France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on.
Health officials are investigating more than 100 possible cases in the US.
Germany, a man has contracted the virus.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus.
Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500.
We have to prepare for the worst, always.
anthony fauci
Because if you don't, then the worst happens.
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War Room.
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Banham.
steve bannon
You know, I was in so much shock when it happened.
Dave Brat, who's one of the smartest guys to serve on Capitol Hill, when he went up there and defeated Cantor and, you know, I think the first time a majority leader been defeated in the primary in the history of the Republic.
I want to mark this date.
I want my production team all over this.
21 April, Year of Our Lord 2022.
Dave Brat referred to Steve Bannon as a moral philosopher.
That's going to be the new open to the show.
A moral philosopher on the level of, I don't think, I don't know if he said love, I have to go back and check, but akin to Adam Smith and Karl Marx.
A moral philosopher.
I've been called a lot of things.
A moral philosopher.
But hey, I'll take it.
I'll take it.
I want to announce today, too, later today, we're going to announce my new co-host, Dave Brent.
Just kidding.
Philip Patrick.
We don't have time today for modern monetary theory.
We've talked about it a lot.
We'll get into it more deeply because it is a Another, you know, France has a tendency, as anybody studied the French Revolution, France has a tendency to come up, the intellectuals in France have a tendency to come up with some screwball ideas that resonate down through the ages with not good things happening.
Okay.
And if anybody's studied the French Revolution and the Terror, know that modern monetary theory came out of the cutting-edge thinking of the French intellectual class by, I think his name is Thomas Piketty.
But in basis, and here's what Peter's got to understand.
This has been embraced by your bettors.
Remember, this audience, you're supposed to be the guys that breathe through your mouth.
The men and women.
This is the deplorables.
This is MAGA.
This is, you know, you people are too dumb to understand anything.
You're just a cog in the wheel when actually it's the exact opposite.
But your bettors...
This is the fantasy they believe.
Wall Street's imbued with this, and Republican Wall Street's imbued with this.
This is why they kicked the can down.
Remember, it was McConnell that allowed to kick the can down the road, the debt ceiling, and the budget when we had them jammed up at the end of the fiscal year last year.
When you have these guys with those structural jam-ups, that's when you can really force change.
It's a forcing function.
They've embraced modern monetary theory, and here's what the theory was.
It doesn't matter, because it was zero interest rate for so long because of, wait for it, the crash of 2008, also caused by the Fed, and caused by Wall Street, right, with the subprime crisis, all caused by the easy money crowd.
So the theory was, well, deficits don't matter, and if you ever have a problem with them, you can just jack up what rates immediately, and it's all taken care of.
That's the theory in a nutshell, is it not, Philip Patrick?
And we know it's a fantasy, sir.
phillip patrick
Yeah, absolutely, that's it, and it's failing the reality test in front of our eyes.
Listening to Dave Brat, I wonder now whether these guys actually believe it, or whether it just suits their political needs, right?
Because what it allows them to do is finance their their projects, right? It allows them to kick the can further down the road and to push problems on likely the next Republican administration. So I wonder whether they believe it or whether it just suits their short-term political deeds. As Dave Bratz said, I don't think they're representing their constituents, the American people, but rather their higher-ups, which are just looking
for re-election. It's not working.
It's failing the reality test.
And the people that suffer are going to be the American people.
And it's happening.
It's happening in the form of inflation.
It's happening in the form of a stock market that's faltering.
As I've said before, this is frighteningly reminiscent of what we saw in the 70s, the stagflationary climate.
And as you said, We don't have a Paul Volcker today to pull us through.
So, the combination of all of these things, I think, is frightening.
steve bannon
Yeah.
We don't have a Paul Volcker, and as Cortez says, remember, we don't have a balance sheet like we did back then.
It's a different economy.
A different balance sheet.
We've now played this game for, what, 30 or 40 years.
Chickens are going to come home to roost.
There are no easy decisions.
I'm not sitting there going, there's easy decisions and there's sunlit uplands.
This is going to be a crisis and mark my words, it will take us years to work through this.
But if you don't start it, it's going to collapse.
And the collapse is going to wipe out the American economic engine.
It's going to wipe out generations to come.
We will be cursed.
We will be cursed.
By generations to come on what we didn't do, what we failed to do when the evidence was there, what had to be done.
Dave, that's what we started with.
This is totally free.
Go to birchgold.com slash Bannon and you get the end of the dollar empire.
I don't know if we got the graphic for it, but it's and we start by really dealing with the we're going to do a real deconstruction of the Federal Reserve.
So you understand it.
And we're starting with the politics of the 19th century and what led to the creation of the Federal Reserve and kind of what the Federal Reserve has wrought since then.
And Philip, I can't thank you guys enough.
I think we've proved, as I keep saying, I think we've proven.
There's two cases that have to be proven out there.
One is gold.
Is gold still historic?
Is that still a hedge against inflation and crash?
And is crypto.
Because crypto is both a potential store of value and transactional.
And that's to be seen.
It's being played out right now before our eyes, right?
There's a lot of evidence that that may be, too.
But gold, I think, Phillip, we have answered the case of 5,000 years of evidence has proven that it is.
How do people get to you and all the advisors?
And by the way, I was able to spend a little time over Easter reconnecting with a lot of people.
As people can tell, I got a haircut and a little sun.
And I want to tell you, because one of the things I do, I ask about the sponsors, and the feedback I got on the Birchgold thing was fantastic, particularly when people put calls in on the 800 number, or people email, people get back to them, and you guys are doing a good job explaining to people what their alternatives are, so I really want to thank you.
How do people get to you?
phillip patrick
Of course, so birchgold.com forward slash Bannon, and personally on getter at Philip Patrick.
steve bannon
By the way, people love your hits, too.
I just want to tell you, you've got a ton of fans out there, particularly the business community that watch.
I know a lot of hedge fund, but a lot of small businessmen, a lot of entrepreneurs, you've got a chance to watch the show, listen to the podcast, and you're a very big hit with them, Philip Patrick.
Thank you, I appreciate it.
A new Lou Dobbs.
Lou Dobbs is the first guy to say, hey, he needs some guys to follow up on him.
I think Philip Patrick may be one of them.
So, Philip, thank you for coming on.
OK, I've got it.
I want to go to let's go to Rome again.
Is Boris around?
I got Boris and Boris.
We're going to go through the primary.
But Boris, I also want to talk to you about schedule.
We're going to talk about calendar.
I got to go to Rome.
Ben Harnwell, a couple of things.
Tell us where you are today.
And today's a very special day in Roman history.
What's today?
ben harnwell
Today, Steve, is the two thousand seven hundred and seventy fifth Birthday of Rome.
Two thousand seven hundred and seventy-fifth.
That's a long time.
It's not as long as the Brandon clan has been drifting off the public dime, but it's still a very long duration of time.
unidentified
That's why Rome's called the Eternal City.
steve bannon
You're picking on the Bidens already.
By the way, it's not we're gonna have Boris on here a second.
I think Jerusalem's the birthday there is five thousand or the Passover was the fifty-fifth hundred of the five thousandth.
So they got us by double almost.
I'm going to get to Boris in a second.
I want to go through quickly these reports on the Financial Times.
By the way, everybody in Europe right now is understanding they got to get to some de-escalation.
You're not hearing the war mongering you're hearing out of the Biden administration out of the White House.
They're having a very different take.
Macron had the one presidential debate before the Sunday vote against Le Pen, and he pinned her back on the Russia situation, her relationship with the Russians, but principally I thought it was his thing about the de-escalation.
You're having people over there talking about de-escalation, now they're not talking about stopping buying Russian gas, because they can't do it.
Their entire economy is structured on cheap Russian gas, and they're not going to change.
They're just not.
They can give you happy talk and say, maybe we won't take the oil, but the oil is marginal.
The natural gas is what powers Western Europe's economy, okay?
And they're talking about more nuclear power plants, and Macron made a big deal last night that, you know, they want to be a leader in nuclear power, but that's a 10 or 20 or 25 year deal, given what the Greens have done.
But talk to me about the FT.
I don't want to talk about the rules-based order anymore, and also this book that they give a great review about the end of the neoliberal order, Ben Harnwell.
ben harnwell
Yeah, and then there's the third article, which is part of the set, which is the article that CNN published by Jeffrey Sachs, which I heard you referring to earlier.
If I might start with that last one first, because I think that really puts the context of what's going on here.
And I've chosen as the headline for my segment today, Steve, the joy of Sachs.
Because Jeffrey Sachs, for those who are unfamiliar with his work, is basically, I would call him the globalist's pope.
Now, I first met this guy over 15 years ago when I was working in the European Parliament.
And I have to say, I saw a number of heads of state visit Brussels in my time there, and none of them were treated with the really respect and reverence that Jeffrey Sachs was.
And this is the guy who basically, if you're familiar with the Millennium Development Goals, which really concentrated the whole of the Western world's approach to supporting the developing economies, that was really his idea.
They were then replaced with the Sustainable Development Goals, which factored in another one of his hobby horses, Which is sustainable development, climate change.
He was the director of the Earth Institute at Columbia University.
And I met this guy again, I passed across again, when I was a consigliere in the Vatican, where he was treated with the same degree of reverence.
I mean, this guy is a very influential economist, right?
And the reason I'm underlining this is because I'm going to come on to his points now, but I want to frame it.
This isn't just some schmuck economist, OK?
Very, very, well, I would say one of the world's most influential economists.
And the third plank ...or where his influence is to be found.
He's in the UN.
He's been Special Advisor to three Secretary Generals running from Kofi Annan.
Ban Ki-moon and now Antonio Guterres, right?
All on the same thing, right?
This guy, therefore, is perhaps the most intellectual figure that there is, tying all the cultural and political internationalist streams together in favour of the international rules-based order, of which he writes constantly in defence of.
And one of his big bugbears with Donald Trump and the MAGA movement is this idea of American unilateralism.
And that's really what got him going.
And I met this guy about 20 times, OK?
If you want my overriding personal keyword that describes this guy, he's a true believer in this international rules-based order system.
So let's go.
To this article in CNN, where he basically says a lot of the things that we've been saying for two months on the war.
He comes from a different direction from his political.
He was, of course, basically wrote the economic platform for Bernie Sanders presidential campaign.
He says he demolishes the effectiveness of the US sanctions policy with regards to Russia.
He points out that 76% of the world is it was against the vote to remove Russia from the Security Council.
He says that that that that a fully defensive alliance and therefore the fear that other countries have specifically Russia with regards to NATO is not an irrational fear.
And he points out that we're arming Ukraine to continue its fight, but Ukraine can't win.
Now, all of those points, you know, for attentive listeners to the war room, they will see, they will see, they will see that he's come to the same point that we are from a different And the point about this article, Steve, right, this is my big takeaway of this.
He basically identifies, I mean he's a guy of the left, he's going to do it in his own way, but he basically identifies Joe Biden as the principal threat on the world stage today to the international rules-based order.
Not Vladimir Putin, right, it's Joe Biden.
This is what terrifies the globalists because they're being squeezed by Hang on a second.
steve bannon
We're taking a short break.
We've got to take a break.
I know Jeffrey Sachs also.
He talked to you about the Columbia Lamont Doherty Earth Institute.
Boris also knows him.
When his family left Russia, Jeffrey Sachs was the genius one over there and helped destroy the Russian economy right when freedom was beckoning.
Jeffrey Sachs got a long track record, but they don't want to discuss the rules-based order.
Everybody shut up about it.
We ain't Not here in the War Room.
Back in a moment.
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The epidemic is a demon, and we cannot let this demon hide.
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steve bannon
Okay, we have Ben Harnwell in Rome.
We have Boris Epstein with us.
I want to make sure everybody knows who this Lee Greenwood partnership we've got on God Bless the USA Bible.
This is a King James version of the Old and New Testament, also with the divinely inspired founding documents of this republic that's been bequeathed to us, all in one binding.
It's a family heirloom, but it's made to be used, and particularly used with your children, your grandchildren, and yourself.
And like I said, in this fourth turning, it's going to get a lot tougher before it gets better.
The sunlit uplands are a ways away.
Every day we're working on this to make sure that we save this republic and we do what's necessary to do it.
That's where we're going to destroy the Democratic Party at the ballot box in a free and fair election on November 8th.
And that is our task and that is our purpose.
are the bigger task is the Chinese Communist Party in assisting Lao Beijing and taking down that transnational criminal organization that is in back of so much of the of what's wrong in this earth. But make sure you go to my make sure you go to godblesstheusabible.com and if you're so inclined if you like what you see put in promo code WORM to get free shipping and handling.
Boris, just a couple of housekeeping things.
And we haven't had you on The Morning Show.
You've been co-hosting The Six O'Clock, and that show's on fire.
We want to make sure everybody... The Six O'Clock Show is hardcore politics and the policies underneath it.
But I just want to make sure you're correct here.
It's the 2,775th birthday of Rome.
And Ben's up there at the question stature and we just had what the Passover year we just had was was what five thousand two hundred fifty two hundred I'm gonna go to the videotape on this one because we don't want to be wrong.
boris epshteyn
Okay, and It's the Jewish year right now five thousand seven hundred and eighty-two Wow That's why we call it the Old Testament.
steve bannon
Okay, if we had five that so the runners take Jerusalem Rome and This is why I remember, Boris, you were with us when we did the, in the first months of the Trump administration, we did Riyadh, we did Jerusalem, and we did Rome, President Trump's first trip.
Very symbolically to do that, to make sure that we had the discussion with the Gulf about what had to happen there, and obviously with Bibi and the folks in Israel.
The one thing we did, Boris and I could not pull off, was get the President to Masada.
It was just the time of year was too hot.
It was just the logistics were too hard, but we'll do that one next time Boris, okay?
Next time.
You guys used to say next year Jerusalem.
We say now next year Beijing, but the next time we get the president.
To Israel, we'll do Masada.
boris epshteyn
Next year, Jerusalem was set on my Passover table several times in the last couple days.
And there's no doubt that once the president is back in office in 2025, at the latest, a trip to Masada is in order.
And for those of you who haven't been, it's something that will change your worldview forever, to go up to Masada, the top of the mountain, and consider the history there, and then do a stop by in the Dead Sea.
And see one of the current few modern day miracles.
steve bannon
And the Masada ties together the Roman Empire and the Zionist in Israel.
Also, I wanted to, Jeffrey Sachs, since you emigrated, your family came over here right in the early 1990s, that's before Jeffrey Sachs.
And remember, Jeffrey Sachs is not putting this up in CNN, and CNN is not promoting Jeffrey Sachs because they support MAGA, they support Trump, or they particularly support America First.
Here's what they understand, and a part of it, and I humbly say this, As Dave Brat says, I'm a moral philosopher.
They understand that we know how the system works.
And they know when we go and start talking about the fallacy of the post-war liberal rules-based order, and how it's been totally underwritten by the deplorables, the blood and treasure of their children and their money, and how the elites of the world have benefited from it, and they allowed, and the elites of the world basically partnered with the Chinese Communist Party to game the entire system.
They gamed the entire system.
This is what the rise of China, the Chinese Communist Party is all about.
It was that rules-based order that they gamed that system to let them come to power.
It is decrepit, it's a fetish, and now they're petrified.
Because I keep pointing out, but it's not in the vital national security interests of Ukraine, and Kamala Harris goes, well, it's about their territorial integrity, and it's about their sovereignty, and it's about their self-determination.
No, no, no, no.
The southern border of the United States, down in the Rio Grande Valley, that's the sovereignty.
The territorial integrity, and the self-determination of the American people, and the American Republic.
That is the vital national security of the United States.
The territorial integrity, the sovereignty, and the self-determination of the Ukrainian people is not in our vital national security interests.
And by the way, take out vital, it's not even in the national security interests.
This is to prop up The post-war liberal rules-based order that the guys in Davos have scammed you off of.
This is why they don't pay for it.
It's a scam, a total con.
This is why Ed Luce, okay, and Jeffrey Sachs, the two biggest apostles of this, are saying, don't say that anymore.
Don't talk about that.
Let's not talk about that.
Let's get that off the table.
Banning these guys, let's get, no, we're not, we're gonna put your, we're gonna rub your nose in it.
Luce tweeted out, I think, and I'm pretty sure we included myself, President Trump, Ivanka, I think he named four or five other people associated with the Trump movement, all happy that Putin was winning the first couple of days.
Nothing can be farther from the truth.
Nothing can be farther from the truth.
We just don't have a dog in that fight.
I might say that Boris Epstein, of all the geostrategists and geopoliticians and all these ambassadors and everything like that, it was Boris Epstein, the kid that came over here from Russia with his family, that said, hey, I think Putin may end up regretting taking too big a bite here, right, in the very first day of this thing, even before it had launched.
But tell me about Jeffrey Sachs.
Jeffrey Sachs had his hand, which the CNN article fails to mention.
One of the reasons that the poor Russian people, and remember, our allies in World War II, ladies and gentlemen, the reason we didn't have more deaths and more combat casualties and more tragedy for the United States of America is because of Lao Bai Jing, the Chinese people and the Russian people, not their leaders, their leaders were totally corrupt.
The Kuomintang was corrupt, the Mao and the Chinese were corrupt, the leadership there, General Stilwell, had to deal with both of them.
The Stalin, these guys, bad, bad hombres.
But it's the people of Russia and the people of China on the Eurasian landmass that took the brunt of the Imperial Japanese Army and took the brunt of the Wehrmacht.
They took the brunt of it.
And absolutely, we closed the deal, as we did in World War I, with our industrial might and the valor and courage of our people.
But don't let them rewrite history.
But Jeffrey Sachs steps in in the 90s, and that's all outside of his resume.
Of what he allowed... He's responsible for the oligarchs coming into existence, is he not?
boris epshteyn
Correct.
steve bannon
The privatization.
Why is this naive clown responsible for that, Boris Epstein?
boris epshteyn
Steve, we lived it.
We came here in 93, Soviet Union falls in 91, going in 92, and they start this mass privatization, which is just anybody who would get their hands on any property became the owner of that property.
So then there was a free-for-all, a criminal free-for-all effectively, for all of the major industry, for all of the major natural resources.
I mean, everything from From gold, to silver, to copper, anything you could mine in Russia.
To oil, of course, to natural gas, to fertilizer, and of course to real property, to real estate.
unidentified
There was a huge grab for it because Jeffrey Sachs... Hold it, hold it, hold it.
steve bannon
They came to me, that's why I never went to Russia.
They came to me, guys come to me, you had the great studio.
That I think, you know, Eisenstein, the great Russian directors, well, you can get this, a couple of KGB guys, you can do it, and you guys don't fit.
I said, whoa, you're just stealing that from the Russian people.
You had to know somebody.
Normally, a KGB officer or a military officer or somebody plugged in, some communist says, now, hey, I'm actually a Democrat.
It was Jeffrey Sachs that said, oh, yeah, you know, we can have a Western economy overnight.
It doesn't work like that, does it?
And what happens is it was shock therapy.
boris epshteyn
There was a New York Times article that I found today back from the early 90s, Jeffrey Sachs' shock therapy.
And it's talking about how he's in a metropole, which is this old Russian hotel by the Red Square.
He's having these meetings.
But in reality, here's what Jeffrey Sachs is known for, the looting of Russia.
That's what it is.
And the reason that Putin was able to come to power And they're able to consolidate power is because of the oligarchs.
So you could thank Jeffrey Sachs and these other brainiacs for coming in, destroying Russian natural resources, destroying any hope for a real private economy, and destroying Russian morale, which then, let's not forget, led to the fall in the late 90s, which was the long-term capital management issue, which then led to Putin coming to power.
The economic disaster caused by Jeffrey Sachs and others like him who believe in this absolute nonsense of the liberal rules-based order is what precipitated what we're seeing today in Russia and Ukraine.
So while they're now saying, well, we're just independent observers, They were the catalyst for it all.
They're the reasons for it all.
Jeffrey Sachs needs to look in the mirror and think about what he did to the Russian economy.
Again, what he did to nickel and other copper, the natural resource which Russia is so rich on, and how he handed them off to a handful of guys.
And because of that, Russia, from the beginning, from the moment the Soviet Union fell, Russia began to rot and has been a corrupt economy ever since.
steve bannon
You know, our allies in the Second World War, the Lao Bajing, the Chinese people, and the Russian people, did they ever get the fruits of those victories?
They did not.
They've been screwed non-stop.
They've been screwed either by the communists or now by the Jeffrey Sachs and the capitalists, quote-unquote capitalists, state capitalists, oligarchs.
And if you want to see it in living color, actually it's shown up in black and white now, Ukraine.
Do you think the people in EU, when they came together at the NATO meeting, having the cocktail parties and the dinners, and sitting there by the huge round table, do you think they care at all about the cannon fodder of the women and children in the Ukraine?
Because they do not.
They're going to crowd Big Crocodile here on TV and say this, they don't.
Awfully awful.
As Mersharmer said, Boris, let them down to Primrose Path and would not have their back.
And today, escalating again, Joe Biden, you know why?
He's got to have the wag the dog.
If he can't come off as FDR, and they talk all the time about the Western Unity, the Germans and Italians are still buying the gas, and Macron is cutting as big a gap between him and Biden as possible.
He's de-escalating.
You know why?
He's got an election to win on Sunday.
The French people don't want to go to war in Europe again.
World War I was enough for them.
Short break.
Boris Epstein back.
We're going to get to the critical path of the 60 days of pain.
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steve bannon
Okay, we're gonna get back to Boris in the critical path here in the 60 days of painting these primaries in a second, but got Robbie Starbuck a big, big confrontation down in Tennessee 5 in in Tennessee, this congressional district.
And this is after the Tennessee legislature did such an amazing job in this.
The redistricting actually, I think, inspired Boris a lot of the efforts we've had going on in Florida and Ron DeSantis just stepping up and doing an incredible job.
But the Tennessee legislature, led by the great Speaker of the House, got in there and turned this whole thing around.
Now we have a 7 to 1, a 7 to 1 map in Tennessee.
Now, one of that was taking, I think it was Tennessee 5.
What Cooper had, it restructured it around appropriate lines.
And Cooper, after 30 years, resigned.
Robbie Starbuck's been a big MAGA influencer for a long time.
His wife's one of the leaders of this human trafficking movement to make sure we stop human trafficking and the sex trafficking of women and children.
And Robbie's been down there, relocated, I guess, from L.A.
and has been down there running for a while.
So tell, get us up to speed on what happened.
The legislature passed this law That said, and I kind of think it was because Ortega's came in the race and she's so high visibility.
Passed this law that you got to have a residence requirement for three years, but that can't be in retroactive.
So then the state party got involved about you had to have participated in other primaries.
Just walk us through the facts, Robbie, and then what you're going to do about it.
Because you're obviously very well known in the MAGA community.
I think Don Jr.
just tweeted out something.
So give us the facts and tell us what you're going to do about it.
unidentified
Yeah, here's the fact.
So it started with the bill in the legislature to try to get rid of us.
And then once people in the legislature realized that that bill would not get rid of me, then they moved on to this new challenge scenario where they used an obscure bylaw of the Republican Party.
It's supposed to be used to keep Democrats from pretending to be Republicans and running as Republicans, but instead used it against us, despite us being, you know, totally, you can't argue we're not Republicans.
They went and used this, and essentially what happens is that after two Republicans make a challenge, then it goes to the SEC.
The State Executive Committee then takes a vote.
In this case, not the full State Executive Committee.
And they also did not do it in public.
They are subject to the Open Meetings Act.
They did this in secret, with a secret vote.
16 members.
They won't even tell us the vote totals.
And they picked us off the ballot under the premise that we're not Republicans.
They did this because their preferred candidates are losing.
I've been leading the polls for a long time, and the people who say, oh, maybe it's Ortega's because of her visibility, she actually has much more of a name ID than me in the state of Tennessee.
So, you know, I think a lot of this was thought about in advance, because this bylaw was actually changed months after I announced I was running, after they had seen the first consultant poll showing that I have a lot of strength.
And that was the point where our ears had Yeah, but we figured the strength we gained throughout the campaign and getting to the top here to a point where just a week and a half ago, Rand Paul and I had a telephone townhouse with 20,000 Tennessee 5 voters on it.
We figured there's no way they're crazy enough to try to do something like this, but it turns out they are.
They're doing exactly what Democrats and dictators do, steal elections from people and steal their votes.
steve bannon
Okay, so you're a fighter.
I still work on the premise.
I don't think, I'm not so sure this would have happened if Ortega's in such a high visibility with the national media coming to the race, but that's kind of water under the bridge.
What is Robbie Starbuck going to do about this?
unidentified
So we're going to be sending a letter to the Tennessee GOP today and there is going to be legal action taken pending what they do after receipt of that letter.
We are not going to sit down and take this quietly.
You know, my family came from Cuba, where they had a central committee that chose candidates.
And after they chose those candidates, they ran sham elections with those puppets of the party.
That's exactly what the Tennessee Republican Party is attempting to do here by removing the real America First candidate out of this race and have someone they can control.
We're not going to accept that.
I have time.
I have money and conviction.
I'm not going to let the same thing that happened to my family in Cuba happen to us here in America.
Ultimately, I'm doing this and running for my kids, my country, freedom.
And so I don't care what we have to do, one way or another, I will find a way for us to be able to be voted for in this election, and our voters here in Tennessee can count on that.
I will not roll over, and the people who pick this fight are going to roll over.
Because I am able to stick around for a long time for this fight and spend as much money as necessary to make sure that everyone doesn't regret it.
So hopefully they make a good decision today and they decide to reverse course and do the right thing and let people vote for who they want to represent them.
If they're not afraid, they'll have no problem doing it.
steve bannon
Robbie, how do people find out more about this situation and more about your campaign?
Where do they go?
unidentified
Okay, we're having a tough time.
Okay, let's put Robbie's website up there because I have a tough time hearing it.
Robbie, thank you very much.
going to be the party to be in our party's going to die.
This is a civil war for the soul of what we actually believe in. Believe in those those real core values of freedom and individual liberty.
steve bannon
Go there and support. Okay we're having a tough time. Okay let's put Robbie's website up there because I have a tough time hearing it. Robbie thank you very much. We'll make sure we follow this closely. Boris this shows you that these uh these primaries are and we call it the 60 days of pain basically between now and the middle to of June essentially you've got primaries all over the place and it's uh all these states are.
I want to get this chart, we'll walk through it, but these are highly contentious.
Right.
And even in Ohio this Saturday, the president's going out there for a big rally.
He just endorsed J.D.
We've had J.D.
on the show a number of times.
But of course, you've got, you know, Timpkin, you've got Mandel, you've got Gibbons and particularly got the chairman out there, these counties that are Trump guys that have sent this letter.
Or Trump men and women, they sent this letter and there's but you see this all over the place.
You see it whether it's in Pennsylvania sees whether it's in Arizona.
You see it in Alabama across the board.
These House Senate rates also down ticket.
So give us your overall perspective before we put the put the calendar up.
about how particular just want to focus on May 1st starting 3rd, the 17th and the 24th are going to be or the 10th even is going to be huge. This is going to be humongous month for the Trump movement.
But what give us frame this for us.
boris epshteyn
This is going to be one of the biggest months in American political history as we come in here and we get going and it gets right off the bat right off the bat May 3rd boom Ohio and And Ohio is a state, and we've talked about this a lot, President Trump's come in with his endorsement of J.D.
Vance.
We know where he stands, and he's made it loud and clear that he's with J.D.
So that's going to sway a lot of folks, no doubt.
President Trump has the most powerful endorsement in American politics.
There's no two ways about it.
So that's that.
The good thing for MAGA is that the MAGA candidates in Ohio are Destroying the whole field.
That's all you have is MAGA candidates.
Dolan, the only guy who hasn't been MAGA, is somewhere in the single digits.
He's making no moves whatsoever.
So, Ohio is MAGA country.
And what you're going to see happen in Ohio on 3rd is you're going to see a MAGA candidate win.
At this point, do you have to consider J.D.
Vance the likely frontrunner?
You do, because President Trump's coming with an endorsement, the most powerful endorsement in American politics, and Peter Thiel is now coming in with some really strong, I think $3.5 million substantial outside capital.
So that's Ohio on the 3rd.
From there, you go to May 10 and you're in Nebraska.
There's a dogfight over there.
steve bannon
But hang on a second, because I know the audience.
Aye.
The endorsement's huge, don't get me wrong.
And of course, Steele coming in with more money, don't get me wrong.
But Ohio is so MAGA.
That's what you've still got.
This thing's still a fight.
I mean, I think it'll be a fight down to the end.
You've got Timken.
You've got Timken, who was the chairman of the campaign out there.
You know her very well.
You've got Josh, who's gone full beast mode, which we know attracts a couple of three MAGA types that'll vote.
And you've got Gibbons, who is putting a ton of money in this thing in ads.
And also running as MAGA.
boris epshteyn
If this goes back to the article, right, over the weekend, over Easter weekend, where this laid out how the power center of Republican politics is fully concentrated with President Trump and Mar-a-Lago.
That President Trump is the heartbeat of the party, that there's really never been this much concentration of power over the last hundred years of any one person as he determines where the movement is going.
And look at what happened.
Even after, this is very interesting.
Even after President Trump endorsed J.D.
Vance, you didn't have any of the other MAGA candidates come out and say anything negative about the President.
I think all of them said, I look forward to having the President's endorsement and the General.
If that's not a testament to strength and power of President Trump and the Republican Party, I don't know what is.
steve bannon
I want to go back to that New York Times article, because it keyed up that Rachel Maddow piece the other day that you and I haven't had a chance to deconstruct on the show, and we will get there in the next couple of days.
But they do have an assumption.
They keep on this thing, they said, never in American politics has a former president Weakly, by the way.
a micromanager such a massive impact on his party.
I think what they fail to miss and they keep saying because they deny uh they deny the big steal right they deny the big steal is that we don't by the way, we don't view him as a former president.
That's the fundamental difference. He's the active head of this movement.
He's the active head of the party.
He's the active, and like you said, he's either back in on January 20th of 2025, or maybe before.
And we know people mock and ridicule that.
And we said, hey, it's all a step function.
You've got to get all the data and evidence right.
You then got to decertify.
We understand the rules of the game, right?
And now, by the way, what Trump did and what everybody is doing so bad, that's where they're trying to change the Electoral Count Act.
Of 1887, they're trying to figure out how to do that, how to make it more comply with the Constitution.
Good luck with that, guys.
Good luck.
I think they worked on that in the 19th century and came up short.
The law is what the law is.
The law is what the law says.
boris epshteyn
Yeah, there's no problem with their electoral count of 1887, except we gotta change it, because... What?
Because it did exactly what we've been saying it did, which is give the Vice President the power to send it back and make the original electors that were sent not determinative.
So, hey, if there's no issues and everything is copacetic, why are we changing?
steve bannon
But also have a deal with the guys who should deal with it, the state legislatures, not, you know, Katie Hobbs.
And Wolf and this crowd up in Pennsylvania having what the founders said, having to do with what the Constitution says.
But we digress.
Let's get back to the calendar itself because people got to get focused here.
This is going to come and it's going to come quickly.
This Saturday in Ohio is this huge rally and I think there's a rally every week.
Right?
But more importantly, there's going to be, starting on May 3rd, there's going to be intense campaigning in basically these big primaries.
So just walk us through the calendar.
boris epshteyn
So, and again, back to that article, it was a rave from the New York Times to the strength and power of the leader of the MAGA movement, the leader of the Republican Party, Donald J. Trump.
And another testament to it is the statement that Kevin McCarthy, the minority leader, just put out, refuting the New York Times, saying, no, no, no, no, no, I am not going against President Trump in North Carolina.
Again, if you want to see an exercise of political power, That is historic in nature.
All you've got to do is look at Trump and MAGA right now, because it is largely unprecedented.
And also, unlike other power centers in the past, this is organic.
This isn't built for some political machine and everybody's maneuvering.
No, it's organic.
And what it is, is President Trump stands for what two-thirds of the country stands for.
And that's why he's strong.
Back to the calendar.
May 3rd, Ohio.
unidentified
Big.
boris epshteyn
May 10th, Nebraska.
That race over there for governor is white hot between Harpster and some others.
President Trump's coming for Harpster.
He said he's going to go visit over there.
May 17th, you got Kentucky, North Carolina and Pennsylvania on May 17th.
That is overwhelmingly huge.
Those two races, North Carolina, you got Ted Butt now up by about 18, 20 points.
I think he's going to win that race and then become likely the next Senator from the great state of North Carolina.
In Pennsylvania, you've got the Senate race and you've got the Governor's race.
Polling came out.
62% of respondents to a poll in that governor's race are open to switching their minds with a couple of weeks left to go.
The leader, I think, is at 15-16%.
Everybody's just bunched together.
So, you're going to see that race develop fast from now until May 17th.
You've got a little less than a month.
steve bannon
Hang on.
Let's take a quick break and we'll come back to you.
Basically, from this Saturday all the way through the 17th, of May on intensity like you can't believe.
Then we're going to talk about the next week, Georgia.
boris epshteyn
Wow.
steve bannon
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steve bannon
Okay, welcome back.
Let's bring in Ben Harnwell quickly.
Ben, you're going to continue on at noon and give a quick update on some more analysis coming off the FT pieces.
Ben Harnwell, how do people get to you on Getter?
ben harnwell
Thanks, Steve.
It's simply my surname.
My profile is at Harnwell.
At Harnwell, I'll be there in nine minutes.
I'll just do a quick deep dive on this international rules-based order thing around the general theme of what I call the joy of sacks.
steve bannon
Perfect, and we'll push that out afterwards.
Ben Harnwell, thank you very much from Rome on the 275th birthday of Rome.
Thank you, sir.
Boris, walk us through what happens after the 17th.
The next week is probably the biggest of all, is it not?
boris epshteyn
First of all, whenever I see Ben Harnwell, I'm always so jealous because he's in Rome.
Who knows where we are, these undisclosed locations that nobody wants, you know.
I'm somewhere in Florida, you're in D.C.
Ben's like in historic Rome, and there's always these awesome buildings in the back.
How do you get that gig, right?
unidentified
Maybe lose the hat, but otherwise, Ben's my hero.
steve bannon
The hat's his symbol.
unidentified
So, real quick.
boris epshteyn
Ohio on the 3rd.
Nebraska on the 10th.
If we can put this up, that'd be great.
Nebraska on the 10th.
17th North Carolina and Pennsylvania, and then dun dun dun dun, on the 24th, Alabama, Georgia, and the Texas runoff, not to be forgotten.
Alabama, Georgia, and the Texas runoff, which will include that A.G.
race with Ken Paxton and George P. Bush.
So, the 24th is going to be one of the biggest, beautiful jobs.
The 24th is going to be a major, major, major day.
And again, you know, Alabama is a place where right now, let's be honest, Mo Brooks is not really in contention anymore.
It's Katie Britt versus Mike Duran, and maybe Mo Brooks makes a comeback, but all of them are talking MAGA.
All of them are talking MAGA.
And then Georgia is the one showdown where you've got the incumbent governor in camp, and then you've got David Perdue running against him with President Trump's endorsement, with some outside money now from President Trump's PAC as well.
If there's one race that I want to concentrate on, the entire War Room Posse, the entire MAGA movement.
I know you may have not been the biggest fans of David Perdue, and I think he could have positioned himself in a harder way during the runoff.
But right now, it's David Perdue versus Brian Kemp, and we need to win that race.
Brian Kemp cannot be allowed to take on Stacey Abrams.
Brian Kemp cannot be allowed to remain in his seat.
Brian Kemp is a rhino.
Brian Kemp stabbed Madoka in the front and the back.
And if I had to pinpoint one race, it is that race in Georgia on 24, and then the runoff about a month later.
steve bannon
I want to broaden the scope there, because I think everybody, as you're going to volunteer and going to work, remember it's also the down ballot races are vitally important in these states, but in Georgia, Gordon and and Jody heist right you got heist versus raffle.
Yeah, you got a Gordon versus Chris Carr There's not a this one is all important hat. What's your assessment of it?
What's it what's your assessment of it right now as you look at it and step back?
Understand you and I are Trump and mega partisans But step back in and put the put the cold eye of your analytics on it wouldn't brought me through, Georgia God's honest truth right now is that?
boris epshteyn
Unfortunately the incumbents appear to be in the lead is the lead as big as some of the polling would suggest It is not.
But is there a lead for car For Raffensperger and for Kemp, there is.
But what does that mean?
That means that there's opportunity.
There's plenty of opportunity for MAGA to come in, MAGA to come out, and say, we are electing our people.
Gordon as the AG is a no-brainer.
unidentified
Look at this guy.
boris epshteyn
He's coming back off the sidelines, coming back from the plow, as you said, like Cincinnati.
And he deserves to be the next AG, okay?
Heist needs to be the Secretary of State.
There's no option there.
We've got to defeat Raffensperger.
Raffensperger has lied about President Trump, lied about MAGA, lied about 3 November.
And again, Perdue has got to beat Brian Kemp.
And it's all about bringing that war room posse MAGA energy under the leadership of President Trump to win those races.
That right there, Georgia is the battleground because as we've said, a lot of these other primaries It's all MAGA.
RINO's trying to talk MAGA, as I mentioned in the New York Times piece.
That's how complete President Trump's takeover of the Republican Party has been.
The Georgia swamp is one of the few places you have left where you still have holdouts for MAGA, and we've got to teach them a lesson.
steve bannon
Just give me an update on where we stand in the whole We had a great ruling from the judge there on the preservation of records.
setting things right on these Biden electors.
Where is that, Stan?
boris epshteyn
We've got about a minute.
We had a great ruling from the judge there on the preservation of records.
That's 148,000 ballots and the images and the envelopes.
And now the next ruling is going to be on actually unsealing those ballots.
And from what I understand, it's coming soon.
It's actually, this case is moving faster and faster and faster.
And again, the sign from agreeing to that, ordering that preservation of documents is unbelievably positive for MAGA and our drive to get to the full forensic investigation of Fulton County and Georgia overall.
But just Fulton County, 148,000 ballots from the work that's already been done, from the forensic work already done.
We've added the fourth hour to make sure we get into the depth on both these primaries, the personalities, the issues, etc.
and Trump and Joe Biden when it was wrongly certified in 2020.
steve bannon
Yeah.
We added the fourth hour to make sure we get into the depth on both these primaries, the personalities, the issues, etc.
Real quickly, how did it get to your morning newsletter and everything with you on social media?
boris epshteyn
Great to be back on in the morning.
Don't forget about me here, folks.
We're always on at the 6 o'clock hour as well.
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Stay strong.
God bless.
I'll see you tomorrow.
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