April 14, 2022 - Bannon's War Room
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| Breaking news in the business world this morning. | ||
| Tesla CEO Elon Musk offered to fully buy Twitter so it can be transformed as a private company. | ||
| Musk just became Twitter's largest shareholder, but says the social media giant needs to go private so it can better serve free speech. | ||
| In a letter sent to Twitter's chairman, Musk writes in part, quote, I invested in Twitter as I believe in its potential to be the platform for free speech around the globe. | ||
| And I believe free speech is a societal imperative for a functioning democracy. | ||
| I'm all for free speech, so long as we have free markets that go along with it and the freedom to sue people that actually slander you or spread hate speech. | ||
| So let's have accountability. | ||
| And so if these tech billionaires, they want to own social media companies, that's fine. | ||
| But they just need to live by the same rules that, you know, family businesses have to live by and the rest of America. | ||
| And right now they're not because of Section 230. | ||
| But, you know? | ||
| So let's bring in right now columnist and editor for the New York Times Dealbook and co-anchor of CNBC's Squawk Box, Andrew Ross Orkin. | ||
| Andrew, I know you just talked with Amazon CEO Andy Jassy last hour. | ||
| We're going to get to that in a moment, but first, what about Elon? | ||
| Elon's in, Elon's out, he's buying stock, he's on the board, he's off the board. | ||
| What's going on here? | ||
| Everybody is at Twitter. | ||
| We actually talked to Andy Jassy about that from Amazon as well. | ||
| But look, right now, there's a big question as to whether he can actually finance this offer. | ||
| So he's put this out in the world, but doesn't mean that he can do it. | ||
| Even though he has $270 billion to his name, and Twitter is worth something like $40-plus billion, it's unclear whether he actually, unto himself, is going to be able to buy this as an individual, or whether he's going to actually have to go out and get either a bank to loan him money, or to find a private equity firm, or somebody else. | ||
| So there's still some big questions. | ||
| But clearly, Elon Musk putting Twitter, to some degree, in a box about what they're going to do with a take it or leave it bid, he says that that's how he's going to do this. | ||
| So there's going to be no negotiation over the price. | ||
| And then the secondary issue, which may be the first order issue, I think, is the one you're raising about free speech, about what Elon Musk wants to actually do with Twitter. | ||
| Lots of people speculating, for example, that perhaps President Trump would be back on Twitter. | ||
| On an Elon Musk-owned Twitter. | ||
| He really believes in a sort of laissez-faire version or view of this, raises questions about information, misinformation. | ||
| So there's going to be a lot of political implications on this as well. | ||
| Some of that could filter over, as you know, to his business at Tesla, which requires or has been relying for many years on tax credits. | ||
| Again, politicians involved there. | ||
| And also SpaceX politicians involved there because a huge contract has gone to him from the Defense Department. | ||
| So there's free speech, there's free markets, there's government, it's private, public. | ||
| In a way, it's a microcosm of everything. | ||
| That spread lies about healthcare, that spread lies about elections, election falsehoods, that allows slander. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's just really, it's the greatest argument to radically change Section 230 to make sure that companies that spread hatred, that companies that slander other people are actually held accountable. | ||
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That's all. | |
| And that we don't put a protective bubble wrap Around these billionaires that own social media companies. | ||
| So, yeah, in a sense, I hope he gets, I hope he takes it over because, yeah, I'm all for free speech. | ||
| Let's let's have free speech. | ||
| But let's stop protecting the billionaires. | ||
| Alabama, Alabama's finest Joe Scarborough with his blinding insights. | ||
| OK, Elon Musk dropped a thermonuclear bomb on Wall Street this morning. | ||
| I think because the management over there didn't show him any respect, didn't bring respect as we call it. | ||
| This is not about business. | ||
| It is about culture. | ||
| It is about politics. | ||
| It's about geopolitics and it's about power. | ||
| This is a power move and we'll talk all about the bid and everything, but I want to bring in. | ||
| There's a couple of folks and we're starting off. | ||
| We've had to reorganize the show. | ||
| We got Jack Posobiec and Darren Beatty and Jason Miller at the top. | ||
| Now, the first I want to start with posting, I'm bringing Darren here in a second, is that the lead story in The Hill. | ||
| Today is about McCarthy feeling the heat from the right. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because of Mike Cernovich's star turn here the other day on War Room Battleground where he just went off on what has to happen on the impeachment of Joe Biden and of course this has rattled it. | ||
| The reason I'm bringing this up is that Posobiec, Darren Beattie and Cernovich have been all over this issue about having Elon Musk step in and take over Twitter or change Twitter. | ||
| So let's start with Posobiec. | ||
| Can we get the tweet package between him, Cernovich, and actually Elon Musk? | ||
| Posobiec talked to us about that before I get to Darren, who's been really at the revolver Not goading Musk on, but making the case why he should make this move. | ||
| Jack Masoby, tell me about that tweet sequence about you and Cernovich, and your driving focus on getting Elon Musk involved here to take over Twitter. | ||
| Yeah, so this tweet thread was about three weeks ago, and it was between myself, between Cernovich, between Elon Musk, going back and forth about how Twitter is imposing And they've got up now the letter that Elon Musk had sent over, but it was talking about how Twitter was imposing these censorship rules arbitrarily, and all of them were enforced in one direction. | ||
| All of them were to either censor or smear conservatives. | ||
| We brought up Covington and Nicholas Sandman. | ||
| We talked about the high school kids that were smeared there. | ||
| We talked about so many people that have been slandered and censored by Twitter. | ||
| Being that Twitter already is supposed to be the public sector of the 21st century. | ||
| So Musk responds to this, and he says, well, that doesn't seem fair, right? | ||
| He says, that seems kind of one-sided, to which I respond, buy Twitter and take it private. | ||
| And the reason I mention that is because I know that Musk has connections with Jack Dorsey. | ||
| He's friends with Jack Dorsey. | ||
| And there was a whole rumor going around in 2016, right after Dorsey was reinstated as CEO at the end of 2015, that Dorsey wanted to take Twitter private because it was sort of this Frankenstein's monster kind of situation where Dorsey originally wanted to just create this sort of SMS based open chat, you know, standard for the Internet. | ||
| And it ends up becoming the most powerful website in the entire world. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Didn't mean to create that. | ||
| And so we didn't want to impose these issues on it. | ||
| And you can hear, by the way, in Sorkin's interview right there on MSNBC, he says the quiet part out loud. | ||
| The regime does not want freedom of speech. | ||
| The regime is terrified of freedom of speech. | ||
| And they are going to strike back at Elon Musk for this. | ||
| And he said, they're going to call your Tesla, your stock options and all your SEC comments into question. | ||
| Now we're going to talk about SpaceX. | ||
| We're going to talk about your DOD contracts. | ||
| He's saying the quiet part out loud. | ||
| Guess what, ladies and gentlemen? | ||
| You live in an oligarchy, and this is a situation where Elon Musk is playing games that only he can play. | ||
| The regime does not like it because he's the richest man in the world. | ||
| Going in to purchase this actually has the ability. | ||
| They're terrified. | ||
| They are terrified of free speech being restored in this country, and now suddenly they're talking about, oh, well, we might take away your contract. | ||
| We might take away this contract. | ||
| Elon Musk, of course, has become very, very fabulously wealthy through a lot of government contracts, a lot of government activity. | ||
| And so the regime does not want it. | ||
| But a lot of this, Steve, also, because I know this is something you focus on, and I've talked about it on Human Events Daily, a lot of this is Generation X finally waking up and coming to the field of battle in this fight. | ||
| Because remember, Generation X is always the don't tell me what to do generation. | ||
| They don't want to be told what to do. | ||
| They don't like authority. | ||
| They don't like people imposing standards on them like this, whether it be from thought standards, whether it be from speech codes, with these sort of woke activists out there, or whether it be on the internet. | ||
| They remember the internet in its first constituted state where it truly was a forum for the free expression of information, where movements could grow, movements like the movement right here in War Room Pandemic for the last two years. | ||
| Imagine where we would be. | ||
| Imagine where we would be without the ability of the democratization of information. | ||
| Imagine where the populist movement would be if they were able to shut us all down. | ||
| People gotta remember the reason we're off Twitter. | ||
| The reason we're off Twitter is because Jack Maxey, who was our side, one of our side guys here, was putting up, every day we'd have the shows about the hard drive from hell, the laptop from hell. | ||
| He would put it all up there right away. | ||
| It's 100% why they took us down. | ||
| They banned us from Twitter because of that reason. | ||
| Although, I don't quite have the pom-poms out. | ||
| Like you and Darren do for Elon Musk. | ||
| Let's just be blunt. | ||
| This has nothing to do with free speech. | ||
| It definitely is a Generation X power move. | ||
| This has nothing to do with free speech. | ||
| He is fully financed, let me repeat this, fully financed by the CCP out of Shanghai. | ||
| If he didn't have the cash out of Shanghai, the Shanghai deal, he wouldn't be able to do any of this stuff. | ||
| Because every one of his companies have huge market caps. | ||
| But I don't know how they make payroll, because he's always cash strapped. | ||
| Of course, he's got huge credit facilities, all this, but all of his businesses are negative cash flow business, big in value. | ||
| Remember, Amazon, it took him 20 years to get the cash flow break. | ||
| So it's not that the cash flow is not everything in these businesses, right? | ||
| Particularly these unicorns. | ||
| Jack, we're going to get those. | ||
| Jack, I just we're having a little difficulty getting the tweet stream up is very important. | ||
| I want to put a date on this in process. | ||
| That exchange between you, Cernovich and Elon Musk on Twitter, Took place, I think, in mid-March to late-March? | ||
| It was March 26th. | ||
| March 26th. | ||
| 26th March. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| Just hang there, Posovic. | ||
| I want to bring in Darren Beattie. | ||
| Darren, you've actually been writing about this simultaneously and really making kind of power moves about why it was almost, I don't want to say moral imperative, but an imperative for Elon Musk to make a move here, sir. | ||
| Is that correct? | ||
| If he actually goes through and achieves this successfully and restores free speech to Twitter, I would even be willing to go so far as to say that it's more consequential than the outcome of the 2024 election. | ||
| Twitter is the global public square and the question of who controls the global public square Let me bring in, can I get Jason in right now? | ||
| over any other conventional company. | ||
| It's everything and it's one of the rare occasions that we can see of a billionaire actually playing for keeps with these kinds of stakes. | ||
| Let me bring in, can I get Jason in right now? | ||
| Jason, the great Myles Gould told me, I don't know, over a year ago, more than a year ago, more than a year ago, in a. | ||
| It was before 2020 when Trump was taken down. | ||
| He said that the CCP, one of the reasons they're focused on controlling these tech guys, and they're doing this, remember the big split from Western technology, is that they conceive of social media as more powerful than nuclear weapons. | ||
| And I go, what are you talking about? | ||
| And they go, because social media can shut down leaders from having any voice whatsoever. | ||
| And we saw that later with President Trump. | ||
| Is Darren Beattie correct? | ||
| Is the control of Twitter or the control of these platforms, social media platforms, actually more important now than elective politics? | ||
| I wouldn't go quite as far as saying that it's more important than the 2020 or 2024 elections, simply with what we're seeing with Joe Biden, how he might be pulling us into World War Three or seems to be doing everything he can. | ||
| So I won't go quite that point. | ||
| But I do think where Darren gets it right is saying that social media will do more to dissuade Future conflicts than I think ultimately any particular missile or tank or device out there. | ||
| I think it's important to take a step back. | ||
| You were starting to reference this earlier. | ||
| This is all about Elon Musk being disrespected. | ||
| This is about Elon Musk saying it's I think was a little bit of a hobby, a little bit of a toy. | ||
| Let me come in and play with Twitter. | ||
| It seems to be a broken product. | ||
| And the way that he was treated by the Twitter people, where they started immediately trying to put him in his place, say, here's your background check, you can only have this much of the company, immediately saying that they're not going to allow President Trump back on, even before Elon Musk had actually asked for that. | ||
| I think that basically sent the message to Musk that these little putions, I think it went right to his ego. | ||
| And Steve, I want to read you something that Musk said that we saw that came out this morning. | ||
| He said, given that I don't have confidence in management, he's talking here about Twitter, given that I don't have confidence in management, nor do I believe I can drive the necessary change in the public market. | ||
| I would need to reconsider my position as a shareholder. | ||
| And he says, this is not a threat. | ||
| It's simply not a good investment without the changes that need to be made. | ||
| He also continued that Twitter no longer serves the societal imperative as a free speech platform. | ||
| In effect, what he's saying is for Twitter to survive, it has to be completely eradicated of all the anti-free speech lefty ideologues. | ||
| They have to be completely wiped out for this platform to go anywhere. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I'll tell you what, let's take it. | ||
| We've got Jack Posobiec, who was in a Twitter exchange back in March with Elon Musk and the great Mike Cernovich, talking about making the thing, you've got to make a move, you've got to go buy Twitter. | ||
| We've got Darren Beattie, who's been writing about this forever, but really in the last couple of weeks has been making it as an imperative of how important this is. | ||
| And of course, Jason Miller, President Trump's senior strategist, who now is the CEO of one of these alternatives, Getter. | ||
| Okay, short commercial break. | ||
| Jay Corman, Boris Epstein, John Solomon, PAX Show, all the way to Philip Patrick coming on talking about gold versus the inflation rate. | ||
| We're going to go to the Vatican. | ||
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It's absolutely packed today, but we're going to fit it all in here in the war room War room Pandemic. | |
| With Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| War Room. | ||
| Pandemic. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| It's Monday, Thursday, or Holy Thursday. | ||
| It is a holy week. | ||
| Also Passover. | ||
| We've got a lot of special programming. | ||
| Dr. Taylor Marshall is going to be with us tomorrow. | ||
| Also Rabbi Sparrow is going to be with us. | ||
| Rabbi Sparrow to discuss Passover. | ||
| Taylor Marshall to discuss Good Friday and the descent into hell on Holy Saturday. | ||
| On Saturday we have a whole special about that. | ||
| So a lot going on. | ||
| Other special programming this afternoon. | ||
| And a lot of intense work on politics, the border, all of it. | ||
| Abbott's deal with the Mexicans. | ||
| The Mexican provinces were going to get into all that. | ||
| But I want to go back to the signal, not the noise. | ||
| And that is what's happening here with. | ||
| And I agree with with with. | ||
| I agree with Darren on this. | ||
| These social media platforms are particularly Twitter is of massive importance. | ||
| I mean. | ||
| You know, it can't be lost on everybody that Donald Trump, you've got a pre-Twitter, you've got a pre-Twitter kickoff and a post-Twitter. | ||
| It's just obvious. | ||
| And if it didn't have Twitter and the social media in 2014, 15, and 16, Jason Miller, I think you might agree with me, we might have had a different outcome than the great come-from-behind victory we had in 2016. | ||
| But I want to go to, here's the reality, the stock was basically $69.70 roughly on July 5th when Getter launched. | ||
| And I'm not saying this is totally Getter, but I think it is what Getter represented in others of looking for alternatives since the free speech was being restricted, people were being kicked off like crazy. | ||
| The stock dropped as low as, what, $33 a share. | ||
| Remember, I sit there and mock and ridicule the guys. | ||
| Your options are out of the money. | ||
| You're working for nothing. | ||
| You're a bunch of losers. | ||
| And remember, the programmers here, and Jason knows this better than anybody, it's just not the top management. | ||
| This thing's infected. | ||
| This thing's infected with a bacillus in the very core of it. | ||
| All the programmers. | ||
| This thing is a left-wing, progressive, out-of-control operation. | ||
| It's interesting, around when Cernovich and Posobiec are having this Twitter online, stock starts moving. | ||
| He clearly, that's when he started buying. | ||
| Jack Posobiec, you see it right there, if we can get Posobiec's Twitter stream. | ||
| It's basically around the time that you and, you get a finder's fee here, Posobiec? | ||
| Are you getting a finder's fee? | ||
| Are you getting spiffed on this thing? | ||
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Steve, I'm not a producer. | |
| Obviously. | ||
| I'm just saying the man, look, I used to do this for a living at Goldman Sachs. | ||
| Raid defenses were our thing. | ||
| Right now, in process, what they're doing is forming a special committee of the board, the special committee of independent directors. | ||
| The special committee will retain a couple of investment bankers today and a couple of powerhouse law firms. | ||
| And you start a process. | ||
| And I'm telling you right now, the market clearing number here is 100 bucks a share. | ||
| I'm just throwing it out there. | ||
| It's got to be a premium. | ||
| It's got to be a premium to where it was in July 5th. | ||
| And they're going to say, we get new management in here, etc. | ||
| And management may put a bid in for the company. | ||
| Hell, Getter may put in a bid for the company. | ||
| There are going to be a lot of bids here. | ||
| And his all take it or leave it. | ||
| That's just part of the process. | ||
| Posobiec, did you guys, did you and Cernovich trigger this? | ||
| Well, Steve, I mean, I think there's a lot of people who, like us, who were on Twitter, you know, prior to the days of the bandhammer and the censorship and these disinformation mavens that are deployed, you know, to misconstrue everything you say. | ||
| Okay, okay, hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it. | ||
| This is not Human Events Daily. | ||
| I'm asking you a direct question because it's pretty obvious by the math. | ||
| And it was all public. | ||
| Your dialogue with Mike Cernovich and yourself with Elon Musk, who's answering, clearly got his attention. | ||
| The stock started moving around that time. | ||
| This is where he was accumulating the under 10%. | ||
| And there's obviously some discussions about, you know, you can't trigger the 5%, but you've got to start notifying people. | ||
| Steve, I just plant seeds. | ||
| I just plant seeds. | ||
| Just planting seeds. | ||
| I guess we all should watch human events daily. | ||
| Three weeks ahead, investment tips, hedge funders, everybody out there, you want to get rich, listen to us. | ||
| But this is going to be a real process. | ||
| You guys will be part of this because you guys obviously know this platform very well. | ||
| Darren Beattie. | ||
| Darren, you're one of the guys, and I love you like a brother, but you've always got your pom-poms out for Elon Musk, right? | ||
| Although you've got a major story out today in Revolver, and you're the first guy covering this stuff from War Room to talk about this situation in Shanghai. | ||
| You know, all Elon Musk's cash comes from Shanghai. | ||
| In fact, the question Aaron Ross Sorkin should have asked is that, hey, all of his other companies are cash flow negative. | ||
| He's got cash coming out of the situation with the CCP. | ||
| Are they going to fund, they're the paragon of free speech, are they going to fund his bid, Darren Beattie? | ||
| Well, I don't know anything about that, but I can state quite confidently and perhaps controversially that if Elon, who is one of the few remaining live players on this planet, is able to achieve the ultimate and restore free speech to the global public square, I frankly don't give a damn where the money comes from. | ||
| What I care about is that we have free speech in this country, and if he's able to do that, I would give him tremendous credit. | ||
| God, this is why you're a speechwriter. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| You're so smart. | ||
| Hang on for a second. | ||
| Didn't Elon Musk, the first day he came out, when the management was showing no respect, he said without question he would not allow Trump to come back on the platform? | ||
| Did he not say that? | ||
| Well, he said a lot of things. | ||
| Let's see how it actually plays out. | ||
| You know, it might be a probability of less than 50%, it might even be a probability of 20%, but it's actually a real thing. | ||
| And in this environment, in which every kind of political action ultimately amounts to something fake and performative, even a 10% chance of something real and meaningful happening is incredibly optimistic. | ||
| So, so far we see good signs, he's moving in the right direction, and let's hope that he follows through. | ||
| You're the thinker of this group right here. | ||
| Do you think, is Posobiec right? | ||
| Is this a Gen X power move? | ||
| Is this a generational issue right now? | ||
| I don't know about generational. | ||
| It could very well be an aspect. | ||
| There are other interesting features of his biography. | ||
| He comes from Africa, ultimately, which is kind of Arguably a frontier kind of place that might have informed some of his development and thinking, but he's kind of a unique person. | ||
| A lot of people even who somewhat approach his level of wealth are incredibly risk averse when it comes to the political arena, and arguably for good reason. | ||
| My main concern is, I don't know, as smart as Elon is, I don't know if he fully understands what he's getting into. | ||
| This is not an ordinary hostile takeover. | ||
| This is a declaration of war against the regime. | ||
| The regime cannot tolerate and cannot endure their global public square becoming an arena of free speech, and they will throw everything at him to stop it. | ||
| Jason Miller, is Beattie correct? | ||
| You do this for a living now. | ||
| Is Beattie correct? | ||
| Is this a declaration of war against the central apparatus? | ||
| Well, regardless of whether or not Musk intended this to be a war against everybody, that's definitely how it's going to be perceived and how it's going to come across. | ||
| Keep in mind that, as I said before, with Twitter, it's not just management. | ||
| It's all the way down to the core. | ||
| This is going to send shockwaves, I think, through all the other platforms, through Facebook, or Meta, or YouTube, or obviously not TikTok, because that's Chinese. | ||
| Are you, are you, are you putting, is Getter, is Getter going to, is Getter going to put it, look, as an investment banker at Goldman, when you do these RAID defenses, first thing you do is look at even smaller alternatives as management teams. | ||
| Is your management team, is Getter going to put a bid in here? | ||
| No, the technology is great, but it's a product that can't be fixed. | ||
| You literally can't go and you would have to remove. | ||
| Even the people who the part time coders that are there, it's a fundamentally rotten product to the core. | ||
| Just removing Agrawal is not going to do anything. | ||
| Posobiec, is Jason Miller right? | ||
| Is this thing so rotten to the core of the programmers all the way down to the marketing department with what Beatty says is the core values of the apparatus that it can't be fixed? | ||
| Just not changing out some directors and changing a CEO and the head of technology, head of marketing that doesn't solve it? | ||
| Is he correct? | ||
| Well, he's clearly right when it comes to the actual employees of Twitter. | ||
| I mean, these are the people who asked to be granted a day off just because they heard Elon Musk might set foot into the building with You know, fire and sulfur, you know, flowing out of his eyes, ears. | ||
| And so at least, you know, at least Getter is still out there as that potential platform. | ||
| But don't don't overlook the power of the ape army, the power of the retail investor, the power of the users of the platform itself. | ||
| We've seen so many of these populist digital uprisings over the last year or so, over the last 16 months. | ||
| And so I think That if Elon is able to reach out, if he wants to reach out for some more support on this, and if he reaches out to the people, if he reaches out to the APE Army specifically, we saw what they did with AMC, with GameStop, with so many other things, that is a huge, powerful lever for him to use against all of these forces. | ||
| Jack, how do people follow you? | ||
| Because obviously your Twitter stream is something that the hedge funds are going to want to watch. | ||
| How do people follow you? | ||
| Yeah, you're gonna have to. | ||
| It's Human Events Daily on Apple, Spotify, Revue, your podcast, or a podcast for people who don't like podcasts, The Cliff Notes of War Room, and of course, Twitter, Getter, 24-7. | ||
| Always there, and certainly going to be talking about Dr. Oz for the next month. | ||
| Darren Beattie, how do people follow your revolver? | ||
| You've had some amazing articles on this about why it must happen, how they follow you. | ||
| Revolver.news, as you mentioned, we have a piece fresh off the press addressing what the hell is going on in China. | ||
| And you can follow me at getter at revolver news and getter and on Twitter at Darren J. Beattie, D-A-R-R-E-N-J-B-E-A-T-T-I-E. | ||
| For our international audience, definitely. | ||
| You've got to get on top of Posobiec and Revolver and Darren Beatty today. | ||
| This story is going to be a massive story, and I agree with Darren Beatty. | ||
| This is a power struggle at the highest levels. | ||
| Jason Miller, give me 30 seconds. | ||
| How do you think this plays out over the next couple of days? | ||
| I think it's going to be absolute chaos. | ||
| I don't think Musk is going to back down at all. | ||
| I think he's going to get some scalps. | ||
| And regardless of whether or not his intention at this point, as of this moment, is to actually seize control of the company, he's going to make sure there are going to be a few less people at Twitter who disrespected him initially. | ||
| Yeah, it's a low-ball bid, but this is going to be a process. | ||
| We'll cover it wall-to-wall. | ||
| Jason Miller, how did people get to you, Jason, over at Getter? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| At Jason Miller in D.C. | ||
| on Getter, and along with Darren and Jack Vasovic, yourself, Steve, even people like the Babylon Bee, Tucker Carlson, Charlie Kirk, all people who've run into the censorship from Twitter, you're not going to have any of that at Getter when it comes to your political free speech rights. | ||
| Write this down, Jason. | ||
| There's an investment banker in the next 72 hours who's going to reach out to you. | ||
| Take that to the bank. | ||
| Okay, short break. | ||
| Jake Corman, Forrest Epstein next in the War Room. | ||
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| Okay, welcome back. | ||
| For our last two segments, we're going to try to get Cernovich and Pasovic back on this evening. | ||
| There's a lot going on. | ||
| Zero Hedge reporting that Twitter's about to have a board meeting shortly. | ||
| They'll retain investment banks, they'll retain law firms, they've got to start working about alternatives. | ||
| This thing is just, this is the top of the, even this is the first batter in the first inning, so this is going to be a wild one. | ||
| And somebody said, you know, the Ape Army. | ||
| Here's what the Ape Army can do. | ||
| The Ape Army gets in the stock and starts blowing the stock up way past Elon Musk bid. | ||
| They're going to have a tough time. | ||
| You know, you've got to write a fairest opinion. | ||
| The independent committee of the directors are liable here for, there's a lot of liability for, and that's when you sign these engagements, a lot of liability to make sure they got the, A fair price and a fair price in this regard means the top price you absolutely possibly can get. | ||
| So this scramble is going to start on and this is good. | ||
| This is going to be a power move because this is a Twitter is a as screwed up as it is. | ||
| And I do agree with with Jason Miller there. | ||
| It's a it's a very powerful platform. | ||
| So we're going to be covering this one non-stop. | ||
| I want to go to get Boris Epstein. | ||
| Boris, you're going to hang with us for a while. | ||
| Thank you for being patient. | ||
| I want to bring in Senator Jay Corman. | ||
| Senator Corman. | ||
| And I do think Boris is right. | ||
| Is that a Trump national golf shirt you're wearing? | ||
| Just randomly. | ||
| I don't want to ask you about how the round went because I know that the most confidential secrets we got is, you know, who won the bets and who won the presses. | ||
| Here's the question everybody's asking. | ||
| Are you in or out of the race? | ||
| Are you still running for governor or did you withdraw and then after a round of golf you decided, hey, maybe I'm sticking in there? | ||
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Well, I played my round of golf with the president about a month ago, and it was a great day, a lot of fun. | |
| And if nothing else happens with this campaign, I developed a friendship with the president, and I will always cherish that forever. | ||
| So, but no, you know, trying to make sure a Republican wins. | ||
| I considered withdrawing from the race just because I want to make sure we nominate someone who can win. | ||
| But after a, you know, after the president made a statement on the race, the governor's race in Pennsylvania on Tuesday, Uh, where he, uh, really, uh, went after one of the, one of the candidates in the race and said he would not vote for that person. | ||
| Uh, then in a subsequent conversation with myself and the president, uh, you know, he encouraged me to keep fighting, you know, in terms, you know, keep fighting, you know, you do all the right things and, and he thinks I can win. | ||
| So, um, you know, when, when the president encouraged you to keep fighting, you keep fighting. | ||
| Uh, and so that's what we're doing. | ||
| And it's been, uh, it's been an exciting couple of days. | ||
| We've got to receive a lot of good phone calls, a lot of good Financial support in the last couple days, so we're off and running and into the end. | ||
| Okay, so 17 May, it's a month away, and that's an eternity. | ||
| And you got this dogfight now on the Senate side, but let me be specific. | ||
| And Boris was my co-host last night on our Battleground show, which we specifically set up to cover things like Pennsylvania. | ||
| And we had Fincham on there, and we were talking about Wisconsin. | ||
| We got Gabelman on tonight, and Fincham, the decertification process in Wisconsin and in And in Arizona. | ||
| And I went off on one of my rants. | ||
| But here, President Trump, the McSwain was U.S. | ||
| Attorney. | ||
| I mean, he went after McSwain on a very specific issue. | ||
| That Bill Barr and Maine Justice and the U.S. | ||
| Attorney, and particularly in Philadelphia, did nothing. | ||
| And he lit McSwain up. | ||
| And a lot of people are very pro McSwain, think he's a great guy, does a great job. | ||
| But on this issue, which President Trump and we believe is the core issue, he lit McSwain up and then obviously you're now back in the race. | ||
| And the question gets to be, it's not just the investigation. | ||
| Look, it was your letter. | ||
| That went to, I think, to Pence and McConnell. | ||
| That's still, to me, one of the most important parts of the whole process that, obviously, Jamie Raskin's guys never want to talk about. | ||
| That Jay Corman, who's no fire-breathing radical, actually sent a letter and said, hey, look, we're the Senate, and constitutionally, it's our right and duty and obligation There's so many moving pieces here. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so many of these actors. | ||
| We need to take 10 days. | ||
| You need to send it back to us. | ||
| And we need to we may have to make sure that the electors were certified properly. | ||
| This whole issue gets down to the certification of the Biden electors. | ||
| So just since he lit up McSwain and now you're back in. | ||
| Can you just walk us through? | ||
| Because that's the key point. | ||
| Where do we stand in your mind in that processor? | ||
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Well, look, I mean, there's nine candidates in the field, and there's probably five of us all within 10 points, and no one's even at 20%. | |
| So clearly, there's 47% undecided. | ||
| I think the most recent poll I saw, they said 60% of the people would be influenced on a President Trump endorsement. | ||
| So it's, like you said, five weeks out. | ||
| There's still a lot that can go on. | ||
| And so it's every person for themselves, and we're all working hard. | ||
| And clearly, I don't know what the President's going to do, and we'll find out. | ||
| But back to your earlier point, which is this is really important. | ||
| You know, Lehigh County District Attorney just said that in one Dropbox, and this is legislation we've dealt with yesterday, in one Dropbox, there was 939 more ballots in that Dropbox than people who visited the Dropbox, as shown on video. | ||
| That he believed 7% or more voted more than once, which is illegal in Pennsylvania. | ||
| Be very clear, that's illegal. | ||
| So what does this need? | ||
| I mean, look, we're doing what we can in the legislature. | ||
| We're passing bills, and we'll talk about that to change the law moving forward. | ||
| We have an investigation to subpoena the Department of State to continue to find out what happened in 2020. | ||
| But what this case needed was a prosecutor, you know, a prosecutor, a U.S. | ||
| attorney, attorney general to come in and get to the bottom of all these cases that we're seeing. | ||
| And, you know, Philadelphia, you know, when they did a right to know to find out, to get the video of the drop boxes, they just said, sorry, we don't have it. | ||
| We don't have it, even though by law they were supposed to maintain it for a longer period of time. | ||
| So this really could have used a prosecutor to take on this case. | ||
| No prosecutor has stepped up. | ||
| Can I make a random observation? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The guy that you're going to run against for governor is the head prosecutor in the in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Shapiro. | ||
| They have no interest. | ||
| Democrats can't win unless they steal. | ||
| Let's make that and let's just say that, okay, unless they either change the rules or steal, they can't win. | ||
| And let me make another observation, just random, that the undecideds will quickly become decideds, not simply on President Trump's endorsement. | ||
| But on the fact of, hey, here's the plan, here's where we're getting to the bottom to it, and here's how these things are going to get decertified. | ||
| So I understand there's legislation, you've got some great legislation we can talk about about what happens in the future. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But it's three Novembers, that's the burning issue, particularly for a lot of those undecided. | ||
| So what is the specific plan? | ||
| Well, you're going to search for a prosecutor. | ||
| If you're searching for a prosecutor, you're going to search for a prosecutor in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania till the cows come home. | ||
| You're not going to find one. | ||
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We have subpoenaed. | |
| The legislature has subpoena power, and so we have subpoenaed records from the Department of State, of course, the Attorney General, and of course, the governor who sued us and are trying to stop us. | ||
| I keep saying, what are you so afraid of? | ||
| If this election was free and fair, we're just wasting our time, so just let us go. | ||
| But they keep suing us. | ||
| We won in the Commonwealth Court. | ||
| We're now going to go before the Supreme Court, more than likely. | ||
| Unfortunately, the courts make us move very slow, and I don't have any control over that, and we don't have a lot of friends there either. | ||
| But at the end of the day, if we can't get a prosecutor, see, the best way to handle this is a governor. | ||
| A governor can then go in to the Department of State who ran this election and have all the records and find out exactly what went on. | ||
| We will continue to do our work in the legislature while I'm here. | ||
| Okay, okay, hold it, hold it. | ||
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Hang on. | |
| Then walk us through the plan. | ||
| You win the primary, and you win the governorship, and you beat Shapiro. | ||
| Day one, just walk me through how we get to the bottom. | ||
| Because we have to decertify A illegal group of electors that was done in Arizona, Wisconsin, Georgia, and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. | ||
| We don't stand for anything. | ||
| This is my point. | ||
| This is beyond Donald Trump. | ||
| This is beyond Donald Trump. | ||
| For a Commonwealth that has Gettysburg and Valley Forge both in it. | ||
| We owe it to Valley Forge and we owe it to Gettysburg to get to the bottom of what happened. | ||
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No question about it. | |
| And no question about it. | ||
| And as governor, I will turn the Department of State upside down. | ||
| I will find out every record, everything that went on, we've already seen through Right to Know. | ||
| You know, some of the things they did with Zuckerbucks taken to Democrat counties. | ||
| We will find out absolutely everything that happened through that Department of State. | ||
| Hold it. | ||
| You're saying that Shapiro, let's say you win this nomination and you're up against Shapiro. | ||
| Are you saying Shapiro, the Attorney General, committed crimes and cover-ups in this? | ||
| If you're governor, you want to get to the bottom of it? | ||
| Shouldn't he have already done that? | ||
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I think he should have done it, but I haven't said that. | |
| I mean, he's still working on the 216 Russian collusion. | ||
| So, you know, I haven't said anything with it. | ||
| You know, I think he hasn't done anything to investigate 2020. | ||
| That's clear. | ||
| And he and he publicly says everything was fair and free and fair. | ||
| And so, therefore, he has no interest in it. | ||
| And, you know, and that's unfortunate. | ||
| But, you know, as governor, that would give me the ability to go in and turn the Department of State upside down, which I will. | ||
| OK, what about what about and so when you say the Department of State, you're going to go in and find every record because Shapiro had to base this upon something. | ||
| There's had to be internal reports. | ||
| It had to be internal. | ||
| He just didn't sit there and go, oh, it's free and fair. | ||
| He had to have some evidence and justification that backs his point. | ||
| That's my point. | ||
| If that if that turns out that it was. | ||
| Well, look, I don't know. | ||
| You got the 2000 mules movie coming out. | ||
| You've got, you've got the rig film already out. | ||
| You see how Zucker Zuckerberg stole this, right? | ||
| Let's leave the machines aside for a second. | ||
| Just leave the machines aside. | ||
| Let's talk about the old fashioned way with the mail in ballots. | ||
| Do you think there's enough evidence right there to make your case? | ||
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Well, look, I don't know. | |
| I mean, I'm not gonna make accusations or assertions that I don't have facts for. | ||
| Uh, but the problem is no one has investigated this. | ||
| No one has pushed this agenda. | ||
| We are trying to investigate in the legislature. | ||
| We're being held up in the courts. | ||
| We're going to continue to push it. | ||
| We're not going to be intimidated. | ||
| We're not going to back down. | ||
| But, you know, if we can't get a prosecutor to look at this, and we will continue to work at the legislature. | ||
| A governor can then really go in and get a hold of the short system, find out, clean up that short system, which is our database, find out who voted, who was allowed to vote, all those sort of things. | ||
| This is, you know, like I sued the NCAA years ago because I believe they were colluding with the free report and folks to go after Penn State unfairly. | ||
| When we got into depositions, when we found out the truth, we found out the truth, we found out they were doing those sort of things, and I got the consent decree against Penn State repealed. | ||
| This is what it takes. | ||
| It takes getting into deposition. | ||
| It takes that. | ||
| I wish a prosecutor would take this on. | ||
| They haven't, but as a governor, at least I can go in and clean up the Department of State and find out exactly what went on in there, and I will do that on day one. | ||
| To those 50%, we got two minutes. | ||
| For those 50% out there that are undecided in this thing, and it's very fluid, this governor's race, and particularly all the Trump supporters that are watching this, give us your best shot. | ||
| Make your case to them right now why Jay Corman's their guy. | ||
| If President Trump likes you, why you're the man? | ||
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Look, I have experience. | |
| I know how to get big things done. | ||
| I've made a career of getting big things done, taking on tough issues like the Penn State issue. | ||
| That was an issue that people said politically you should shy away from because it had very sensitive, very difficult subject matter. | ||
| Well, there's significant public policy reform, like public pensions, taking on the teachers union, which I did and defeated them. | ||
| They didn't want a pension reform. | ||
| We're the only state in the nation that did it. | ||
| I've had a career taking on big issues and getting things done. | ||
| And that's what the people of Pennsylvania need, is someone who's going to get things accomplished. | ||
| We can all talk and talk, but who's going to walk the walk? | ||
| And who's going to get things accomplished? | ||
| Just like passing legislation this week in the Senate, We will continue to work on election integrity. | ||
| We will continue to find out and get to the bottom so that people have confidence in elections moving forward. | ||
| Do you think that President Trump buys that argument? | ||
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I'm not going to speak for President Trump. | |
| You know him better than I. I'm campaigning for the people of Pennsylvania. | ||
| As I said, he's developed a nice friendship and he's given me some advice over the last couple of months. | ||
| But we'll see. | ||
| You know, I'm just doing everything I can to campaign. | ||
| And you're in this race to the end, correct? | ||
| You're in this race all the way to May 17th. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| How do people get to your campaign site? | ||
| How do they find out more about you? | ||
|
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Korman4PA.com and Korman4PA on Twitter. | |
| At Korman4PA. | ||
| Senator, we'll have you back on to discuss these other things. | ||
| We've got to bounce, but one more time. | ||
| How do people find out about you and your campaign? | ||
|
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Cormen4PA.com and then Twitter at Cormen4PA. | |
| Senator Cormen, honored to have you on here. | ||
| Thanks for coming on. | ||
| Take care. | ||
| Okay, Boris is going to hang with you. | ||
| We've got John Solomon on the hard drive from hell about Hunter Biden. | ||
| We've got Philip Patrick at Birch Gold. | ||
| We're going to go to the Vatican. | ||
| We've got Sabatini. | ||
| We're going to talk to Boris and Sabatini about DeSantis down in Florida, getting his map. | ||
| A lot to get through. | ||
| Stick around. | ||
| You're in the world. | ||
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| Okay, welcome back. | ||
| We have John Solomon, Boris Epstein. | ||
| Boris, we're going to get into the Twitter part of it in a second. | ||
| Your assessment of, and we didn't even get into it, Senator Corman, they've done some tremendous work here over the last couple of days about going forward on this. | ||
| Your assessment of this race right now in Pennsylvania? | ||
| Wide open. | ||
| The race is wide open. | ||
| And yeah, you're right, they just passed legislation yesterday outlawing Sucker Bucks and ballot drop boxes. | ||
| And on Sucker Bucks, they had eight Democrats join them. | ||
| I mean, it's absolutely unprecedented and shows how the 3 November movement continues to win, it continues to expand. | ||
| And now we are getting people to our side who are Democrats. | ||
| You know, Pennsylvania's got a lot of those more traditional conservative Democrats, so it's definitely a good sign. | ||
| This race is wide open. | ||
| Jay Corman has walked the walk because he's been the one to file for a full forensic investigation to issue the subpoenas. | ||
| And he's been fighting it out, duking it out with Josh Shapiro in court. | ||
| That's already been happening. | ||
| So, you know, if you look at the candidates, Again, Corman is the one... I was the toughest on Jay Corman back last summer, no doubt about it. | ||
| We were in here saying loud and clear that if the investigation wasn't going to move forward, Corman would have a huge political problem, wouldn't have a political future. | ||
| But then he's come in and he's done the right thing. | ||
| And now, you know, if you look at this race, he again has been the one to come in hard and take action. | ||
| Take action on 3 November and take action on making sure that future elections... I just don't think the perception... | ||
| Yeah, I think I believe the perception is that, because Doug Mastroianno has done such an amazing job of being there and trying to get this thing going, and I don't think Lou's, quite frankly, been that engaged in this topic, right? | ||
| And to me, this is still the topic that's going to drive this. | ||
| No doubt. | ||
| I think the perception is Corman is not, it's one thing, it's another thing to be just, I think you got to go medieval. | ||
| Look at what you're up against with Zuckerman. | ||
| Look at what they did. | ||
| And look at Shapiro. | ||
| Look at Shapiro. | ||
| I like his fact that day one as governor, I'm going to do this. | ||
| I want to hear more specifics. | ||
| And I think people, I think that between Mastriana, Barletta, and Corman, that they got to get to the bottom of what are you prepared to do? | ||
| To get the evidence is there to put this evidence forward and to start a process of decertifying these electors because Joe Biden is illegitimate. | ||
| I hate to say it. | ||
| Little Jamie Raskin, Benny Thompson. | ||
| I know you got to go. | ||
| By the way, now a little Jamie Raskin with the well, probably. | ||
| Where are my hearings? | ||
| Where are my nightly primetime hearings that are going to galvanize and take MSNBC's ratings that are in the toilet and get them up to be, you know, better than NBC's, better than broadcasts? | ||
| Where are our hearings? | ||
| Where are the hearings? | ||
| The vaunted June primetime TV. | ||
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You know, America's really... Probably, probably, probably May or June. | |
| America's really loved to watch lots of TV in June, July, and August. | ||
| That's really what they're doing. | ||
| What Hollywood knows, you can't do reprogramming in those months if you have something galvanizing in prime time, like Watergate. | ||
| Where is it? | ||
| Let's see it. | ||
| Not feeling it. | ||
| Let's see it. | ||
| I want to bring in John Solomon. | ||
| Solomon, you're as caustic as they get. | ||
| Give me your Elon Musk. | ||
| The stock's not exactly moving. | ||
| It's not moving in the direction a lot of people hoped. | ||
| And I think they're having this board meeting. | ||
| They're going to sit there and say, we need $100 a share, right? | ||
| Because they've got to go back to last July 5th. | ||
| That's what, $69 a share? | ||
| They said we need a 30% premium over that? | ||
| So you're not buying the Elon Musk. | ||
| You don't have your pom-poms up for this, do you? | ||
| Yeah, listen, I've been talking to a lot of people and there's only two options. | ||
| That he really, really wants Twitter and he's willing to overpay for it right now and a transaction is going to happen quickly. | ||
| Or what he's really doing is trying to smoke out that the Twitter ownership, the Twitter executive team, doesn't care about the stockholder and the interest in doing a good deal. | ||
| They're more about ideological And ideological propaganda and censorship. | ||
| And this will determine that. | ||
| He's either going to smoke them out if they take this deal, which is at a premium, then they're acting in the interest of investors. | ||
| If they don't, then they're acting because they have a different agenda than the business model. | ||
| And I think that's what Elon Musk is ultimately doing. | ||
| I think the marketplace has a lot of questions. | ||
| Where is he going to come up with that amount of cash quickly? | ||
| Is this a real deal? | ||
| So that's why the stock hasn't moved like you would normally expect in a hostile takeover. | ||
| A moment, but there's only two options according to the people I talked to and we're going to find out real quickly. | ||
| I think we are. | ||
| Do you think, do you buy this, the argument that people are making, Darren Beatty's making, that this is the way to, do you believe that he's interested at all in free speech? | ||
| Do you think this is a direct assault on the central apparatus and the ideology of the apparatus, John Solomon? | ||
| Yeah, listen, I think if you look over the last three or four years of his behavior, he has been a guy, I think he's a libertarian, right? | ||
| I think he doesn't like big state, he doesn't like big censorship. | ||
| He moved out of California where he got his start, moved to Texas, that wasn't an accident. | ||
| I think he does, when you look at his tweets, he seems to chafe at the idea that You know, the Iranian mullahs can be on Twitter, but not Donald Trump. | ||
| What the heck? | ||
| So I think there is a libertarian sort of streak to him that is legitimate. | ||
| But he's also about making money. | ||
| And, you know, that's what he does really well. | ||
| And that's why he's one of the richest men in the world. | ||
| We'll have to see which one of those streaks are really driving this. | ||
| Is this an effort to expose Twitter for what it is, a propaganda censorship machine? | ||
| And then he's going to go start his own thing? | ||
| Because actually, he could start Twitter At $120 at the cost he's trying to buy it for him. | ||
| And so, you know, we're going to find out soon. | ||
| But I do think at his core he has a libertarian's approach to some of these issues like free speech and too much regulation in government. | ||
| John, can you stay through the 90-second break? | ||
| Because we've got to get to the Hunter Biden. | ||
| Can you stay? | ||
| Boris, 25 seconds on Twitter. | ||
| Where are you on this thing? | ||
| I think it's great. | ||
| I think it's a great development, and anytime we're shaking up an entity that is so corrupt, that is full of censorship, that is anti-American because it censors a sitting American president, the commander-in-chief, I think it's great. | ||
| And I love to see heat. | ||
| I love to see people go medieval, as we said in the previous segment about the PA governor's race. | ||
| And I think Ilamas go medieval, so I'm all here for it. | ||
| Okay, short break. | ||
| The great John Solomon, the great Boris Epstein, we've got Philip Patrick from Birchgold, and we're going to go live to the Vatican with our own Ben Harnwell, all next. |
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