March 12, 2022 - Bannon's War Room
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Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world. | |
| You don't want to frighten the American public. | ||
| France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans. | ||
| But you need to prepare for and assume. | ||
| Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China. | ||
| This is going to be a real serious problem. | ||
| France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on. | ||
| Health officials are investigating more than 100 possible cases in the US. | ||
| Germany, a man has contracted the virus. | ||
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus. | ||
| Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500. | ||
| We have to prepare for the worst, always. | ||
| Because if you don't, then the worst happens. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Pandemic. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Okay, welcome back, and I am so honored, I've got to tell you, the great Frank Gaffney and the Committee on the Present Danger, we've got some such special guys today that have come on here, and particularly this one that is truly an American hero and an unsung hero, Captain Jim Finnell. | ||
| We're going to get to Captain Finnell in a moment, but I've got to tell you, the sacrifice he's done for his country is extraordinary, and talk about a guy that's smart. | ||
| The great Frank Gaffney's in the house. | ||
| I got Cortez has got a role Steve before I get to Frank and frankly the overview Because we're going to talk about what the the broader scope of this war and people should understand Unfortunately this we're in war, okay? | ||
| This is the unrestricted war of that. | ||
| The Chinese have been running us for 20 years hybrid war, whatever you want to call it It's an information war. | ||
| It's a cyber war it's an economic war and God help us if this gets to a kinetic war because it will be something that That will make the slaughter pens of the 20th century look like child's play and this is because the weapons we have today are of such the Biological the chemical the and the ability of people to use them coming out of like the CCP lab in Wuhan but I want to go back to the tell how the markets are thinking about this and things like | ||
| I keep saying, if you don't think we have a moral obligation for Taiwan and for Hong Kong, the practicality is that Taiwan is Silicon Valley West, okay? | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Taiwan, the loss of Taiwan will change the economy in this nation, change your personal life like you have no comprehension of. | ||
| So walk us through where we stand right now, what markets are telling us about that, before I turn to Frank for the overview. | ||
| Steve, you're exactly right. | ||
| Listen, war over Taiwan would bring our economy crashing. | ||
| I think we would almost instantly go into recession, if not actual depression, because of how reliant we are upon the semiconductor industry, particularly of Taiwan. | ||
| And you're right, it is Silicon Valley West. | ||
| Because listen, I think as worrisome as the situation in the Black Sea is right now, both Russia and Ukraine economically are really not very important at all to the United States. | ||
| That is the biggest behemoth in the entire world of chip manufacturing. | ||
| This wouldn't have much impact at all for our economy, but that is not the case at all for Taiwan. | ||
| And again, it's not my view. It's also the view of financial markets, apparently, because if you look at Taiwan Semiconductor, that is the biggest behemoth in the entire world of chip manufacturing. | ||
| They are probably the most important chip manufacturer in the world, or if they're second, they're second only to Intel. | ||
| And they dominate that business in a place, Taiwan itself, the island is the epicenter of chip production. | ||
| America literally cannot rely, cannot run, can't do refrigerators, can't do cars, can't do much of anything without the production coming out of Taiwan. | ||
| And here's the bad, the really bad and worrisome news about Taiwan Semiconductor because it trades here in the United States under the ticker of TSM. | ||
| Just weeks ago, in the middle of January, TSM was at $140 a share at an all-time high. | ||
| Yesterday, it closed at $101 a share, and it has briefly been below $100. | ||
| So it is down almost 30% in just a matter of weeks from its all-time high, so it's deeply into bear market territory, which means a fall of more than 20%. | ||
| from its recent peak. | ||
| And that tells me that global capital is extremely worried about the rising risks to Taiwan because of how weak the Biden administration is perceived to be, clearly by Putin, but it seems also by Beijing. | ||
| And I think the capital markets also realize that Putin's trip to Beijing to get permission effectively From Xi to engage in this war in Ukraine may well be the forward-looking indicator that he has obviously similar aspirations or intentions. | ||
| We know he has the aspirations, that he has those intentions to actually take Taiwan and he wants to do this now while there's a weakling in the Oval Office in the United States. | ||
| So watch TSM. | ||
| I think that I don't mean to just pick on that company but I think that company serves as a market gauge, as a proxy for the perception of risk for Taiwan. | ||
| Real quickly, in a minute or two before I let you go, I know you've got to bounce, is that, and before I bring Gaffney and Captain Fennell in, your theory of the case that a conflict in the South China Sea, Taiwan, their move, you could see a drop of 30% of the stock market, you could actually go from, we're heading to a recession, stagflation now, recession in the summer, third quarter, that's already baked in now, I think, to a depression. | ||
| Walk us through your theory of the case on that. | ||
| Well, the reason I say that is because, look, the majority of all chip manufacturing in the world happens in Taiwan. | ||
| And for some specific businesses, Steve, it's not the majority, it's 100%. | ||
| Okay, so we have specific, really critical lines of business in the United States, again, in autos and appliances, you name it, where the manufacturing is 100% dependent there. | ||
| Now, longer term, we need to fix that, Steve, right? | ||
| We simply cannot be reliant On foreign sources for critical components like this. | ||
| But in the near term, there's not much we can do. | ||
| We can't quickly ramp that up in the United States. | ||
| And that's why when I don't think I'm being dire when I say that war over Taiwan would not just send us, we're already headed to a recession anyway, but not into just a deeper recession, but actually a depression. | ||
| So again, sometimes you have to look behind the obvious threat. | ||
| The obvious threat right now is the economic war we're waging with Russia. | ||
| But then let's look to the second derivative. | ||
| Let's look to the next potential threat. | ||
| And I think it's really Taiwan. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| What's your social media, people? | ||
| You're another one of the key guys over at Getter, people. | ||
| And you're still up on Twitter. | ||
| I don't think you've been taken down yet. | ||
| So how do people get to you? | ||
| Yes, I've been put in the penalty box, but for now I'm still in that game. | ||
| So at Twitter, I'm at Cortez Steve with an S. And find me on Getter, I'm just at Steve. | ||
| Okay, thank you very much. | ||
| Honored. | ||
| By the way, a nasty day, one of those late March ice and snow storms with Frank Gaffney. | ||
| You cannot stop him from his appointed round. | ||
| The great Frank Gaffney. | ||
| I love Gaffney. | ||
| He's like a brother to me. | ||
| And we argue like brothers, too. | ||
| Frank, let's tee it up. | ||
| We've got really an American hero. | ||
| It's kind of, if you've got Tina Peterson in the United States and people and stuff like that, you're about to meet somebody. | ||
| I think we had Captain Finnell on, I think a year or two ago, briefly, but this is really something we've wanted to do about going to Taiwan and really individuals know what's happening. | ||
| Set the stage for us, Frank. | ||
| Well, first of all, let me say I'm honored to be in the war room. | ||
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I'd have crawled over broken glass to get here. | |
| It's an ice storm here. | ||
| It's messy, but I'm glad to be here. | ||
| Listen, big picture, and you talk about it most days, but it's really important to set the stage for why this conversation about Taiwan is vital. | ||
| China is our mortal enemy, make no mistake about it. | ||
| It has been pursuing, as you said Steve, an unrestricted warfare strategy against us at least since 1999. | ||
| And that, as you itemized, is all axis, short of kinetic to this point. | ||
| People's War was actually declared in May of 2019. | ||
| On the pages of I believe it was People's Daily. | ||
| We have underwritten the transformation of this country through the strategy, Deng Xiaoping called it hide and bide, we've called it engagement, into a global superpower in every measure, economic, military now, certainly political, geo-strategic. | ||
| It has translated that kind of power into, among other things, alliances with all of the bad actors on the planet. | ||
| Russia, Iran, North Korea, Pakistan, Turkey, the despots now running the table on us in Latin America, not least, and through the construction of an infrastructure globally They call the Belt and Road Initiative. | ||
| They've put into place essentially infrastructure that can be used at a minimum for dominating places like the continent of Africa and most of the rest of the world. | ||
| Caribbean? | ||
| But also projecting power as well. | ||
| Taiwan is in the crosshairs for the reasons we're going to be discussing for the next hour. | ||
| It is vitally important, as Cortez was just saying, the only question to my mind, and we'll be teasing this out, I think, is Xi is the dictator of China, of course, Xi Jinping, is determined to get a third term, which will take place in the fall at the Party Congress. | ||
| He will presumably get it, but he does have trouble at home. | ||
| And the question is, is he likely to act on this ambition, long-standing ambition, to seize Taiwan in light of what Major General Joe Arbuckle is going to be talking about, the context in which we find ourselves, and the tactical situation with Jim Finnell and Grant Newsom we'll be talking about? | ||
| Or is he going to wait? | ||
| Until after the fall when he does get this mantle. | ||
| Very interesting question and we don't know the answer just yet. | ||
| Let me bring in Captain Fennell because an extraordinary individual. | ||
| He's going to be with us for the hour. | ||
| Captain Fennell, and this is about heroism, I think it was in 2014 at a conference on the anniversary of the Battle of Midway, which was obviously the turning point in the Pacific War and World War II. | ||
| Captain Fennell issued a warning to the West. | ||
| Okay, and this is a guy who's dedicated his life to studying this, and paid for his career. | ||
| We would be talking to Admiral Fennel if he had been quiet, but he did not. | ||
| He felt he needed to warn the world, the American people first, and the world. | ||
| He came forward. | ||
| Captain Fennel, honored to have you in the war room. | ||
| Can you set the stage for us of this great war that we're at with the greatest existential threat the nation's ever faced, the Chinese Communist Party? | ||
| Yes, Steve. | ||
| First of all, thanks to you and Frank for inviting me on. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| Everything that you've led up to setting the stage about the importance of Taiwan is spot on. | ||
| For the folks that don't know, you know, the People's Republic of China, the Chinese Communist Party has told us for several years now, for decades, that they have two goals. | ||
| One is to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party, which is what they're doing this year, or they did in 2021. | ||
| And then the next event will be the 100th anniversary of the People's Republic of China, which will be on 1 October 2049. | ||
| And in order to be able to have a celebration like they did this year with the Olympics, and they wanted to invite everybody and have a grand ceremony, They're going to have to have what they say is the great rejuvenation and great restoration of their territory. | ||
| And so for the Chinese, Taiwan is the central piece of this territory that they consider to be a part of China. | ||
| of the People's Republic of China, even though historically it's not the case. But that is what they've told themselves. That's what they've built themselves up for. And they would prefer to get it through non-kinetic means, through fighting through other means, through economic coercion, through diplomatic coercion, through lawfare, through information warfare, through intimidation, through a strong military presence, all of that. | ||
| And. | ||
| But they've also prepared to be able to do it militarily. | ||
| And so the question that comes up is, when can they use the military force and still expect the world to come to Beijing and celebrate in 1 October 2049? | ||
| And for the last 10 years, I've been saying that it would probably be about 2030 would be the latest that they could use military force and still expect the world to come to Beijing in 2049. | ||
| Well, as we've seen over the last couple of years, and especially now since the virus, is that China's really accelerated their threats to Taiwan. | ||
| And we now have more and more evidence that suggests that China is going to be taken a military option much sooner than 2030. I had always thought it'd be later in what I'd call this decade of concern, decade of danger, as some have called it. But now it looks very serious that China is preparing to actually conduct military operations because the people of Taiwan and the rest of the region are standing up and saying, this is a mortal threat, as you just said. | ||
| So it's an existential threat to Taiwan. It's an existential threat to America's national security and the region, our way of life, the American system compared to the communist system, which is what China is, and which, frankly, what we're seeing from Russia in many ways is a dictatorial system. So the American system is under challenge. | ||
| right now in Ukraine and with Russia, but it's impacting what will happen in Taiwan. | ||
| And so it's very important that Taiwan not fall, not the least of which is there's 24 million people there that are free thinkers and democratic nation that don't want to live under the rule of Xi Jinping and the Chinese communists. | ||
| So this island is a centerpiece geographically in terms of military strength. | ||
| So I focus on the military and that island chain is like a floating or a stationary aircraft carrier. | ||
| And it provides kind of a cork in the bottle to China's ability to get outside these island chains, one that comes down from Japan through the Ryukyus, Okinawa, and down to the Philippines called the first island chain. | ||
| Then there's a second island chain that comes out of Tokyo. | ||
| down through Guam and into Indonesia. | ||
| That's the second island chain. | ||
| And the third island chain goes out to Hawaii. | ||
| And so Chinese writers, Chinese admirals, Chinese leaders talk about being constrained by the island chains. | ||
| And Taiwan is the key link in those chains. | ||
| Captain, for now, just hang on. | ||
| We're taking a short commercial break, pay a few bills. | ||
| We're going to talk about the vital national security interests of the United States. | ||
| The vital national security interests of the United States. | ||
| Is it centered in the Pacific and in Taiwan, or is it in the eastern border of Ukraine? | ||
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All next, Captain Fennell Frank Gaffney in The War Room. | |
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| War Room Pandemic. | ||
| Here's your host Stephen K Banham. | ||
| OK, welcome back. | ||
| Very special Saturday here. | ||
| We did the gates of Kiev and the war in Ukraine and every aspect of it and impact here in the United States. | ||
| And now we're pivoting to really what is the existential threat, and that is the Chinese Communist Party, the greatest enemy in the history of this nation. | ||
| I want to say something about this. | ||
| You hear the Fiona Hills on this. | ||
| And about the Zelensky goading us on, we're not sending enough military equipment, but also what I call the party of Davos in this, the post-war international rules-based order. | ||
| And I realize, even with some of my colleagues, we disagree with this. | ||
| But this, which was centered in Western Europe and Eastern Europe, the Gulf, the Straits of Malacca, and the South China Sea, and then up in Northwest Pacific in Korea and Japan, those four areas where we have Trade deals, commercial relationships, capital markets, and an American security guarantee. | ||
| American security guarantee underwrites it all. | ||
| That's why our defense budget is $1 trillion. | ||
| In that system, in the post-war international liberal rules-based order, That system, we allowed and perpetuated, initiated, exacerbated the rise of the greatest enemy of freedom in world history and the greatest enemy to the United States, the existential threat that is a group of transnational criminals, the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| Let me just be blunt. | ||
| So if that system works so well, now I see the concentration of wealth from Wall Street and the City of London and the elites and the Party of Davos. | ||
| I understand it was fabulous for them. | ||
| Because they made out. | ||
| But the heroes of this narrative are the Captain Finnells and the Frank Gaffneys and others have been shouting about this for years. | ||
| And the Captain Finnells, who in 2014 basically took a fabulous career, a legendary career, and I just had Jack Posovic just texted me during the break, he served under Captain Finnell in the 7th Fleet. | ||
| In 2014, basically threw that away to warn the American people Of what was in store and how they were not being dealt with straight and the information was not straight. | ||
| Captain Fennell, in 2014, looking back at your warning to the West, have we absorbed it? | ||
| Have we learned our lesson as we sit here today on the verge of a potential kinetic war in the South China Sea and in Taiwan, sir? | ||
| Well, I think that since 2014, it's been very slow for folks to come to the realization. | ||
| And frankly, it didn't happen until the last administration came into power and you had some very serious people under President Trump that understood the threat and really started to confront China, call it a strategic competitor, which we had never done before. | ||
| and really address the issue. And the Trump administration made some great strides in terms of starting towards this economic confrontation with China. You know, China talks about comprehensive national power, which is what we in the West call whole of government, but we don't really do it as well as the PRC. They really integrate, you know, economic information, diplomacy, law and military all together. And they study it and they | ||
| study the effects of if they adjust one lever, what will this do to the other level? And they plan it out. And we don't really do that. And so it wasn't until the Trump administration that came in and said, hey, we have to do something beyond just sending ships and submarines out there, which is important, but we have to do more. And so in terms of. | ||
| Confronting them, we have to challenge them and we need to cut them off. | ||
| And so the word decoupling was brought up in the Trump administration. | ||
| But hang on, I'm gonna get to that in a second, but I want to go back to, we have to get the intellectual construct right in the nomenclature. | ||
| So Graham Allison and Henry Kissinger, which had the same theory for Russia and the Soviet Union in the Cold War that Ronald Reagan reversed, I'll get to that later, but this book, Graham Allison, Thucydides Trap, we are the declining power, they're the rising power, and we just have to nudge them. | ||
| Because 12 times in world history this has happened, where you nudge the rising power to your mores, things work out and there's no war. | ||
| Graham Allison sat in this building, and let's discuss this with him, because Captain Finnell is the exact opposite. | ||
| That we're not at really declining power, and we can't think like that. | ||
| That we are actually the strong power, but we must assert that strength in ways that are just not kinetic. | ||
| Graham Allison sat here, and I said, Professor Allison, I said, here's the problem with your book. | ||
| In no time is not one example In the Thucydides Trap book. | ||
| Not one example in Graham Allison. | ||
| And he couldn't answer that. | ||
| And when I talked to Henry Kissinger, he couldn't answer it. | ||
| There's not one example where the elites of the declining power made so much wealth and money on the ascendant of the opposition or the ascendant power. | ||
| This is the nub of the problem. | ||
| The elites of the world, made out by the rise of China, the rise of the Chinese Communist Party, to the detriment of the Laobai Jing, of the slave labor of the Chinese people. | ||
| Remember, this is what Faneuil warned about. | ||
| Faneuil warned about is that this is not a Thucydides trap. | ||
| This is why Josh Rogan said in his great book, Chaos Under Heaven, he talked about, you know, the Pompeos and the Potters, all those guys are great, you know, the realists and the Confrontation, but he said there's one group called the Superhawks with Navarre and Bannon. | ||
| And their theory of the case is quite different than anything else. | ||
| Their theory of the case is quite central. | ||
| We must take down the Chinese Communist Party and destroy it. | ||
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| Root and branch. | ||
| There is no middle ground here. | ||
| There's no middle ground. | ||
| You could tap it along. | ||
| The reason is our system, the post-war, international, liberal, rules-based order is infected with a bacillus. | ||
| That bacillus is the money that people have made partnering with a criminal element in Beijing. | ||
| And they all go and kowtow to it. | ||
| And you see the Olympics. | ||
| MSNBC, that's 24-7 war porn right here in Kiev, in the cities under assault by the KGB army of Putin, under assault, innocent women and children. | ||
| The war porn you see here, 24 hours a day, kowtowed on the Olympics to Beijing and didn't have one element, not one story at all about Lao-Beijing being destroyed. | ||
| Captain Fennell, you know this better than anybody. | ||
| Do we have an alternative but to take down the Chinese Communist Party in Beijing, sir? | ||
| No, as Mao said, it's I win, you die. | ||
| And so the Chinese Communist Party is in a strategic competition with us to kill us. | ||
| And so You can't really have a negotiation with a party that wants to destroy you. | ||
| Either you defend yourself and attack them, and make sure that they can't kill you, or you're going to be killed. | ||
| And they don't talk like the Russians, and they're not, you know, ham-fisted in some ways. | ||
| They've bought everybody out, as you've suggested. | ||
| They bought out the media. | ||
| They bought out Wall Street and Silicon Valley. | ||
| They bought out academia. | ||
| You know, most of our think tanks and academic circles are you know into this belief that we are declining and they're in the section there's nothing that we can do about it and that's just plain wrong we do have many things you can do yeah sure we're gonna come back to those in a moment but but just to close the loop on this the elite capture that peter schweitzer among others is now documented brilliantly undermining of this whole theory | ||
| because what they have successfully done with the buying up of all of these elites is that they'd us more like them not us nudging them to be more like us and therefore avoiding war The war is coming, the war is here for heaven's sakes. | ||
| We have to recognize that. | ||
| We're actively, if you think we are offensive, if you look at hybrid warfare, we're at offensive war against the Russian people for regime change of Putin. | ||
| We didn't do this with the Nazis. | ||
| We didn't do it with Mussolini the fascist. | ||
| We didn't do it with the Junta, the Imperial Japan, the Tojo Junta. | ||
| We didn't do it to the Soviet Union when they had nuclear weapons three seconds away from shooting. | ||
| We never went full-scale economic war to take down a central bank and destroy currency to force regime change or anything. | ||
| Everybody in this audience understand this. | ||
| I've said this now for weeks and weeks and weeks. | ||
| You are a combatant. | ||
| You are a combatant. | ||
| Okay, your politicians are voting for this. | ||
| We're allowing, and I'm not saying you're agreeing to be a combatant, but do you think the folks in Kiev, those women and children, agreed to be a combatant? | ||
| Do you think these refugees agreed to be combatants? | ||
| Have they had a vote and a voice in this as they're getting shelled? | ||
| You're a combatant. | ||
| And as a combatant, understand on both economic warfare and cyber warfare coming back, it's gonna be hot and heavy. | ||
| In addition, the Chinese Communist Party understands you're a combatant. | ||
| I want everybody to write this down on the 12th of March, because now we can't kid ourselves anymore. | ||
| Fennel told you, and we gotta talk like, you know, like St. | ||
| Paul said, when I was a child, I thought like a child, I talked like a child, and I act like a child. | ||
| It's time for us to act as adults. | ||
| Let me be brutally frank. | ||
| What Captain Fennel just said, it's a binary function. | ||
| It's them or us. | ||
| And it's not the Chinese people. | ||
| The Chinese people are our allies. | ||
| Lao-Beijing is the slave labor of this criminal element that's the Chinese Communist. | ||
| This is not China. | ||
| It's not about the Chinese people. | ||
| This is about a criminal element in Beijing that is the mortal enemy of the United States and the people of the United States. | ||
| And what he just said is simple. | ||
| Mao said, you win, you die, you win. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So there's no middle ground here. | ||
| The question before us is how we're now going to convince the political elites in this country, and the financial elites in this country, that we stand on the side of the United States, and we stand on the side of the people of China, Lao-Beijing, that we must confront, head-on, and we must destroy it, root and branch. | ||
| And when I say root and branch, I mean every branch it has in the West, every institution. | ||
| Remember, the reason this is going on, as Fennell says, is the subversion has been money. | ||
| People have made, beyond Ray Dalio, Larry Fink, Steve Schwarzman, the Greek tragedy part of this? | ||
| The hollowing out of our industrial base was one of the early symptoms of this unrestricted warfare against us, Stephen. | ||
| dollars financed it, but most importantly your pension funds. | ||
| Your pension funds financed the decline of American power. | ||
| You didn't agree to it, but Wall Street made sure the industrial base was shipped over to the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because they can make more money. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| The hollowing out of our industrial base was one of the early symptoms of this unrestricted warfare against us, Steve. | ||
| And just to come back to what you said, those guys think Schwarzman, Dalio, et al., Vanguard, have made their gajillions of dollars with your money. | ||
| So to the extent you're talking about, we're combatants, it's because, among other things, our capital investments are being used to make this enemy more powerful. | ||
| In Greek tragedy, your greatest strength becomes your weakness. | ||
| Your strength in saving and becoming good citizens was used against you. | ||
| Okay, we're going to take a short break. | ||
| And the question for this audience, is America a power in decline? | ||
| The facility is trapped. | ||
| The elites in this country believe we are. | ||
| We're the declining power. | ||
| They're the rising power. | ||
| They've partnered with our enemy. | ||
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Captain for now general are buckle Frank Gaffney in the war room. We return in a moment War room pandemic with Stephen K Bannon The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | |
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| Also, we're going to have Mike Lindell back on the show on Monday. | ||
| There's a firestorm going out in Colorado. | ||
| A Gold Star mother was thrown in jail overnight. | ||
| A Gold Star mother. | ||
| I want you to understand that a Gold Star mother Standing up as a clerk in Mesa County, Colorado. | ||
| And she ain't backing down. | ||
| Tina Peter's not going to back down. | ||
| And we're going to have her back 1,000%. | ||
| More on that. | ||
| And I'll be up on Getter all weekend. | ||
| But Mike Lindell will be here talking about everything that's going on in Colorado. | ||
| New massive report out there in Colorado. | ||
| We'll talk all about that. | ||
| Right now, Captain Finnell, am I too over the top? | ||
| Do we have to frame this, I think, in stark contrast? | ||
| And look, you can be subtle about how you execute on it. | ||
| But Is there any path that you see that we cannot engage now the Chinese Communist Party as the mortal enemy of this country and its citizens, sir? | ||
| ...an adversary that wants to destroy America and you can look across the spectrum of levers of power For instance, in the economic arena, they've captured all of our major corporations and brought their companies into China to control production and make the money that builds their military. | ||
| You know, last year in 2021, China commissioned 22 warships and submarines. | ||
| United States Navy commissioned three, and two of those were small littoral combat ships. | ||
| So that's a seven to one ratio. | ||
| And that ratio has been going on for a decade or more, where they've been out producing us, building a military to destroy us. | ||
| Out in the western and central parts of China in the last six months to eight months, they've built 350 nuclear ICBM silos that will house DF-41s that have possibly 10 re-entry vehicles. | ||
| So that's 3,000 to 4,000 nuclear missiles that China is building. | ||
| They're not building those just to be nice to us or to prevent us from having a first strike. | ||
| They want to rule the world and they want to subjugate the United States and they want to destroy our way of life and they want us to make us like the Chinese people are today, slaves of the state, under constant surveillance, under constant control, every movement recorded, every dollar, every penny spent recorded and no freedom and no liberty. | ||
| It is about collectivism versus individual liberty and they cannot abide by, the Communist Party cannot abide by, Individual freedom and liberty, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is not part of their regime. | ||
| Their regime is the Chinese Communist Party, makes all the rules and will control you. | ||
| And if you do not obey, you will be crushed. | ||
| Just like we're seeing in Xinjiang with a million people put in prisons, what we're seeing in Hong Kong right now, what they're doing with the virus in Hong Kong right now as we're talking. | ||
| It was sending in teams and teams of scientists from China and medical people to control the people of Hong Kong who were not knuckling under because there were free democratic people. | ||
| And so this is the real threat. | ||
| And it's across the spectrum, whether it's in diplomacy, where the Chinese have controlled the United Nations now and control the international institutions and norms so that they can advance their ideas and subjugate anybody that they don't like, like Taiwan, which they're isolating diplomatically. | ||
| And across information warfare, like you mentioned with the Olympics and how even Western media portrays them in a good light despite all the negative things that we know about what they're doing. | ||
| Let me pivot to General Arbuckle for a second. | ||
| I don't want to make sure everybody understands, we're coming off two years of a virus that came out of a PLA lab in Wuhan. | ||
| Don't forget that when I talk about war and unrestricted warfare, any means necessary. | ||
| The last thing they want to do, but they will do, the last thing they want to do is fight the foreign devils kinetically. | ||
| They understand the foreign devils have kind of perfected combined arms, right? | ||
| One quick insight on that, Steve. | ||
| We know from early in the 2000s, the then Defense Minister of China said, Deng Xiaoping, who set this whole hide-and-bide strategy in train, commissioned the Biological Warfare Program of China to depopulate the United States so it could be colonized by China. | ||
| This is the definition of a mortal enemy seeking our destruction. | ||
| That's on tape. | ||
| This is, by the way, this is along with Fennell. | ||
| They think in hundreds of years. | ||
| That's why in 2049, the 100th year anniversary, they think in hundreds of years. | ||
| I want to go to General Arbuckle. | ||
| Given the current administration remember elections have consequences stolen elections have catastrophic consequences We have what we have and you see this hapless feckless a situation general Arbuckle even at the highest levels of the of the military for many years talked to us about | ||
| The gravitas of the commanders of Biden and the National Security Council and this in this conflict in Russia, but particularly as Russia and China, we forced Russia into China's arms as a partnership. | ||
| What is in store with us, given your assessment of the leadership of this nation today, sir? | ||
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Yeah, good morning, Steve, and great to be with you. | |
| I want to thank you and Frank real quickly for the daily battles that you wage to Quite so. | ||
| Restoring our constitutional republic. | ||
| You're doing a great job. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| Before hitting that question, if I may, a quick comment on what was, what you've all been doing here recently about China in the last few minutes. | ||
| And that is recognizing there are some time-honored principles of war. | ||
| One of those is know your enemy. | ||
| And you described the enemy very well in the fact of the war with China. | ||
| Absolutely true. | ||
| And a big part of that forces are, at least as you described properly, being in the economic Pockets of China. | ||
| Well, the real question then is, what do you do about that? | ||
| How do you defeat that? | ||
| That's the challenge. | ||
| And I'll bring up very quickly before getting to your question, that every nation state has essentially four instruments of power that it can use against adversaries. | ||
| The first is, and I'll list these prior. | ||
| The first is a political slice diplomatic. | ||
| That's always the preferred method. | ||
| Second is economic instrument of power. | ||
| The first and second should be combined smartly. | ||
| The third, of course, is what's called a psychological social or could be information war instrument of power. | ||
| And finally, military is the last. | ||
| And the real art of statesmanship, which we're lacking today, is combining those four instruments of national power in a cohesive whole, so that you maximize the power of, in this case, our country, against China. | ||
| We don't have that kind of leadership today. | ||
| I'll just leave that comment there, and then kind of get on to what you Well, talk to us. | ||
| We're in a conflict right now. | ||
| You've been in these situations. | ||
| We're in a global war. | ||
| The Third World War started, and it started by the Chinese Communist Party really against us economically years ago, and I would say we're not an ally to Ukraine, but we had an agreement with Hong Kong to underwrite their freedom when they signed the deal that we just walked away from. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Let's be brutally frank about this. | ||
| And I would respectfully submit, it shouldn't be lost to people, that the situation in Hong Kong, in Sub-Saharan Africa, and in Latin America, is because Ukraine's so much attention with Joanne Reilly's people, because it's white. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Let's be brutally frank. | ||
| One of the problems is about us focusing on what's happening to Lao-Beijing, what's happening in Taiwan, what's happening in Hong Kong. | ||
| And that has to stop, because the Chinese Communist Party is a mortal enemy. | ||
| Sir, you've been at the highest levels of our government. | ||
| Do you see both the military, the National Security Council, the State Department, and the White House as having an organized plan of exactly what we're doing here that they can execute on, sir? | ||
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No, I don't. | |
| That's a short answer, Steve. | ||
| I see no evidence of it. | ||
| In fact, I see it as disjointed, the opposite of being a coercive plan. | ||
| As I said, what they should be doing is combining these four instruments of power to leverage all our national resources to get the max advantage on our enemy, in this case, China. | ||
| But coming back to your earlier question, one of the huge problems in connecting the dots is our reputation as a nation as a result of the Afghanistan debacle. | ||
| You know, we put a letter out last August, signed by 187 flag officers, retired generals and admirals, saying that Hey, this thing is a total disaster. | ||
| And it's going to reverberate for decades, affecting our country in terms of damaging our reputation. | ||
| One on one side, of course, we abandon our allies, they no longer trust us. | ||
| But what we're talking about here this morning on your show is emboldening the enemy. | ||
| There is a direct connection between Afghanistan and what we did there. | ||
| And emboldening the Chinese to move aggressively against us because the signal it sends is that We really don't have any deterrent capability against further aggression against us. | ||
| That deterrence is based upon military capability, obviously, adequate ships, planes, airplanes, and so forth, to do the job. | ||
| But the most important part, and this is kind of getting at what you're talking about, is the political will and ability to use what capability we have effectively. | ||
| I want to talk about that political will. | ||
| Hang on for a second. | ||
| I want to talk about letters. | ||
| I want to, in Bill Barr's new book, in letters, I want to talk about letters. | ||
| In October of 2020, there was a letter signed by, I think, 50 or 100 intelligence, many intelligence professionals, Bush administration, but particularly Brennan and his crowd, that said that the hard drive from hell, the laptop of hell, now let's leave aside the, I know you come for the pornography, but you stay for the compromise, right? | ||
| They showed the compromise of the Biden family as a business partner to intelligence assets and state-owned industries of the Chinese Communist Party, yet I had a letter in the New York Times, a big full page, that had I think a hundred or so intelligent, Brennan, Clapper, 50, all these guys saying no, this is Russian disinformation. | ||
| And Barr and his book kind of misses. | ||
| I don't see where Bill Barr mentions much about the hard drive from hell that showed us before an election about the Biden family being completely compromised. | ||
| Completely, totally compromised as part of the elites of a managed decline nation that is compromised by not just honey-trapped, which his son was, but compromised Joe Biden and his brother by cash money. | ||
| So when I talk about the elites in this country, Frank Gaffney, you've been an expert on this, we know as a matter of record and that laptop from hell is his laptop. | ||
| There's no question about that. | ||
| There was no question at the time when Rupert Murdoch's New York Post did the due diligence and put it forward as we did the show and we were banned for Twitter. | ||
| The lawsuit against Twitter later on, when we're in power, wait for it. | ||
| Because you took it down because we talked about Biden's compromise. | ||
| How can you be a great power when the people that run the country are compromised, and we know they're compromised, in the national security intelligence aspect, including many Bush appointees, sit there and lie. | ||
| Those 50 officers knew they were lying at the time, Frank Gaffney. | ||
| Let me put a fine point on this. | ||
| Those of us who've had some exposure to the national security, we're talking with distinguished military officers. | ||
| You're a veteran, Steve. | ||
| You've spent most of your life working in this space. | ||
| I have as well as a civilian. | ||
| The truth of the matter is anybody in the food chain, Other than Joe Biden himself, who was demonstrably compromised in the sorts of ways that the Laptop from Hell documents is the case, among other evidence, by the way. | ||
| Would be in jail, would be in federal prison, not the commander-in-chief of the United States. | ||
| It's hard to overstate, and I'd love to hear the comments of our colleagues here, it's hard to overstate what the national security implications are of having a guy who is calling the shots on American national security policy, foreign policy, making all these decisions, Afghanistan, Ukraine. | ||
| Taiwan, compromised by the Chinese Communist Party, and they know they own him. | ||
| Let's take a commercial break. | ||
| I've got General Arbuckle. | ||
| We have Captain Fanel. | ||
| Captain Fanel, you talk about people who are compromised and annoyed about it. | ||
| He sacrificed his career. | ||
| This is the Tina Peter. | ||
| This is courage. | ||
| Courage is saying, hey, I can go along and compromise, and I can tap it along, and I can make Admiral, I can do all these things, or I can come forward, just like Tina Peters. | ||
| This is the connective tissue that's going to save, this is what's going to save this Republic. | ||
| And we're at a moment, this is, 1930s, we're in the Dark Valley right now, okay? | ||
| It could end up like... | ||
| This mid-century of the 20th century, the bloodiest century in mankind's history. | ||
| Or it cannot. | ||
| If it cannot, it's this audience and the people on this show that are going to force it not to be. | ||
| And it's not going to be an easy struggle. | ||
| Because it's not. | ||
| Because the ones that are compromised are getting all the money and walking in and out of the White House. | ||
| Like the corrupt son and the family. | ||
| Back in a moment. | ||
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| Okay, obviously we're going to continue this conversation during this coming week. | ||
| We're going to have this group on here many, many times. | ||
| I want to announce that Howard Diamond and Rob Sigg, the great team over there at Real America's Voice, has Frank Gaffney now every night at 11 o'clock, securing America five nights a week at 11 p.m. | ||
| When does that start? | ||
| Starting Monday. | ||
| Starting Monday. | ||
| Okay, so we're going to do a preview. | ||
| We'll do a pregame on Frank on the afternoon show on that because Gaffney's the man. | ||
| I want to bring in Grant Newsom now. | ||
| We're jammed for time. | ||
| I only got about eight minutes, but Grant, walk me through the military options that the Chinese Communist Party, which would be inconceivable a decade ago, what options militarily does the CCP have to take Taiwan, sir? | ||
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Well, I think it has the full range. | |
| China would, of course, prefer to have Taiwan just give up through intimidation. | ||
| But you do find that the Chinese military is capable of launching a multi-pronged, multifaceted attack on Taiwan. | ||
| This would include the full range of missile attacks, electronics, cyber, air, naval attacks as well. | ||
| And they do have the capability of launching an amphibious assault, both by ship but also helicopter-borne as well. | ||
| This is all backed up by fifth columnists who've been operating in Taiwan for decades and a very extensive subversion political warfare campaign that has been eroding Taiwan's defenses for a long time. | ||
| So that China has the capability and they know they have the capability but more importantly they also think they have the capability and Ukraine may cause them to recalculate a bit but one should have no doubt that China is willing to launch a bit of an assault on Taiwan if necessary. | ||
| Grant, real quickly, what do you think the triggering event would that be for them to go kinetic? | ||
| What would be the triggering event, sir? | ||
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I think actually it would probably be they think they would face serious resistance led by the United States. | |
| If Taiwan thinks it is dealing with an America, an administration that is confused, chaotic, only responds ad hoc, And they think that that might be replaced by, say, an America that's gotten up on its hind legs and sort of figured things out. | ||
| I think they may see a window of opportunity closing. | ||
| Additionally, as you've talked about, they have got America's financial class, much of its business class, a lot of its political class bought off. | ||
| And if they think they're in danger of losing that, or that somehow restrictions are put They can't get their money's worth anymore. | ||
| That too may encourage them to go ahead. | ||
| So I think this idea of a decade of concern is indeed right. | ||
| And I think all of the warnings that have been given. | ||
| Those are correct as well. | ||
| We may say it's not. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Decade of Concern is a nice term. | ||
| It's now the Dark Valley. | ||
| And by the way, we have your concert about a fifth column in Taiwan. | ||
| We have a massive fifth columnist. | ||
| We have a fifth column in the United States of America. | ||
| People that have already betrayed us, traitors to America. | ||
| OK, we're going to get to all this week. | ||
| General Arbuckle, Grant just said if they saw a feckless, hapless administration, is that what the United States has today in charge of our military operations, sir? | ||
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Yes, I'm afraid so, Steve. | |
| It hurts to say that. | ||
| I think Grant's term about window of opportunity is very relevant because in addition to what's been said, they're also watching the upcoming elections in our own country, knowing full well that there's a high probability Republicans are going to take over the House and possibly the Senate. | ||
| Which will change our political landscape somewhat in terms of what kind of legislation can be passed against them, in addition to the fall election for Xi himself, as Frank pointed out. | ||
| So there is a short fuse window opportunity here, which they may take advantage of or choose to pass. | ||
| Okay, that's where we're going to be on this every day. | ||
| Remember, it's important in these midterm elections that it's got to be anti-CCP people that you're voting for, people that understand. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Captain Finnell, we got about a couple minutes. | ||
| Your closing assessment of where we are this weekend on 12 March, the year of our 2022 in the grand scheme of this war. | ||
| Time is ticking and it's not on our side. | ||
| And China is ready and poised to make their rejuvenation and restoration of their territory. | ||
| And we talk about trigger events. | ||
| Russia didn't have a trigger event to go into Ukraine. | ||
| They were always intending to go there. | ||
| And the Chinese Communist Party is intending to take Taiwan and they have the capability, as Grant just pointed out. We have some weak leadership that's almost inviting an attack, and China will create the conditions on their timeline. And that timeline is now. When you see the former prime minister of Japan call for Japan to have nuclear weapons, when you see the Taiwan minister of defense say that they think the invasion will occur probably around 2025, these are comments from people | ||
| that were very cautious for the last 70 years about what they said and did as Americans. | ||
| Well, South Korea just votes in an anti-CCP government, taking away the guys that are playing footsie with the North. | ||
| And hey, guys over there get the jerk. | ||
| Trust me, we have real allies there. | ||
| Vietnam, South Korea, Japan, Australia, India, if we step up to the plate, if they see us in leadership, in full spectrum, we don't need to go to a kinetic war. | ||
| If it's a kinetic war, it's because we brought it on because of our, quite frankly, the traitors in our midst. | ||
| Let's be blunt. | ||
| Real quickly, Captain, for now, what's your social media? | ||
| How can people follow you? | ||
| I know how the sophisticated inside follow you. | ||
| How does the general public follow you? | ||
| I'm not on any social media. | ||
| If you want to get a hold of me, contact the Committee for Present Danger. | ||
| I have a distro list called Red Star Rising, but I'll take it through the Committee for Present Danger. | ||
| No, that's inside baseball, brother. | ||
| We can't do that. | ||
| That's too good. | ||
| That's the real thing. | ||
| Grant Newsome, do you have social media people can follow you, sir? | ||
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I think I have a Twitter called at Newsome Grant or such like. | |
| I'm a degree more advanced than Jim Fennell is. | ||
| And I am on LinkedIn as well. | ||
| And I do post what I write on the Committee for, excuse me, CSP, Center for Security Policy, Frank's outfit. | ||
| Perfect, right. | ||
| Okay, how do we, how do we, Frank, how do we get to you, Committee on Present Danger, all of it? | ||
| You're gonna be back here next week, but how do we get to all of it? | ||
| SecuringAmerica.tv is one way, Steve, but could I just say, I'm glad you mentioned India, because that's another place that the Chinese are also looking at attacking. | ||
| We have got so much to do here, and it's just vital that the war room and the agenda that you have been advancing, and you've been very kind about acknowledging others' contributions, yours needs to be recognized too, Steve. | ||
| Both with setting up the Committee on the Present Danger in the first place, but also just what you have done in terms of clarity about this problem. | ||
| For decades. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| Thank you for your leadership. | ||
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Okay. | |
| We need more of it. | ||
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