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In fact, you have spent your entire career, you've dedicated your life to basically finding vaccines. | ||
Is that correct? | ||
I played a key role in bringing the Ebola vaccine forward that we now call the Merck Ebola vaccine. | ||
I've also been very involved in drug repurposing and that's been the focus of the team that I've been leading together with colleagues at the Department of Defense in the Defense Threat Reduction Agency. | ||
I work closely with the government and have for years And I choose to work quietly and behind the scenes. | ||
But what's happening here is different. | ||
It's fundamentally different, and it's not right, it's not proper, and it's not fair. | ||
It's not according to the rules. | ||
In your career leading up to this, in the scientific discovery process, was it ever like that? | ||
Didn't you have full, you know, you have a thesis, a theory of the case, you debate it, you try hypotheses, you test. | ||
Sometimes you're right, sometimes you're wrong. | ||
Have you ever seen it this way where it's so lockstep and so you cannot get away from the dominant narrative? | ||
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If you do, you're going to be, you're going to be disappeared. | |
It's nothing like this. | ||
And I've been through outbreak after outbreak. | ||
I've never seen anything like this integration Harmonization and enforcement. | ||
I mean, it is overtly authoritarian, and it's coming down from above, and it's coordinated, and it has developed, they've developed a bunch of different vehicles to reinforce this dominant narrative and make it so that no other information is available to people, so that people behave the way that The Health and Human Services and World Health Organization want them to behave. | ||
This is behaviorism. | ||
Here's the thing I want to focus on because you just said something that's a critical point here. | ||
You said that you can't vaccinate your way out of this pandemic. | ||
Break that down for me. | ||
Why is that? | ||
So it comes down to fundamentals of evolution and selection of viruses. | ||
Now that it's fully in the population, if you start vaccinating as we are, and advocating that we have universal vaccination, what that's going to do is drive vaccine-resistant mutants. | ||
That's inevitable. | ||
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It's just fundamental virology. | |
And I wouldn't be surprised, to be honest with you. | ||
You know, they have sold out hotels in Virginia. | ||
They're staying in Virginia because there is a mandate in Washington, D.C. | ||
that you have to be vaccinated to go pretty much anywhere. | ||
So they're staying in Virginia. | ||
They're busing people in, you know, and it makes a lot of sense. | ||
These are the people speaking at this event. | ||
Who made a name for themselves, pushing things like ivermectin over the last year and a half. | ||
If somebody in your family or a friend got sucked into that rabbit hole over the last year and a half, they probably know these names. | ||
It's people like Robert Malone, the ex-Fox person, Laura Logan, RFK Jr. | ||
These are all huge names on parts of the internet where the vaccine is unacceptable, and they are coming together for the first time. | ||
This is like their Woodstock, and they are coming together this weekend on Sunday. | ||
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I was so struck by the way that one anti-vax researcher phrased it to you, that this is going to be, as they described it, a who's who of grifters and people who made a profit off the pandemic. | |
That's what this is. | ||
Yeah, that's exactly right. | ||
A lot of these people not only pushed Ivermectin, but aligned themselves with these large doctor groups like the FLCCC that pushed alternative therapies to the vaccine. | ||
However, if you call this event an anti-vaccine rally, these people get very upset. | ||
They are not happy with you calling this an anti-vaccine rally. | ||
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Because, wait a second, it's anti-mandate? | |
Is that what they're saying? | ||
Yeah, they're saying it's anti-mandate. | ||
Now, there are a couple of reasons for this. | ||
First of all, it's a little bit more acceptable to say, hey, you know, you could have taken your vaccine, but you, you know, we need you on our side against these mandates. | ||
But there is another reason that's probably a little bit more important. | ||
It doesn't get you banned from Facebook. | ||
And there is an 11,000 person strong Facebook group called Defeat the Mandates that is pushing people towards this specific event on Sunday, not just in DC but in places like Fort Lauderdale and Denver, Sacramento. That's totally allowed on Facebook. You know, Defeat the Vaccine would be a completely different group on Facebook that would have been banned a long time ago. Okay, welcome. | ||
You're in the War Room. | ||
It is Saturday, the 22nd of January, Year of Our Lord 2022, and we have a special day. | ||
We're going to have all kinds of breaking news throughout the next two hours, but we're dedicating this to defeat the Mandates, this massive Rally, that's a global phenomenon. | ||
It's going to be tomorrow here in Washington D.C., bitter cold nation's capital. | ||
It's, I think, 16 degrees today with a eight mile an hour wind right now. | ||
I think the the windchill factor is like six. | ||
The March for Life can take it and we know the it's not anti-vax. | ||
I think it's vaccine hesitant, vaccine resistant, and some anti-vax for basically people that are up against the mandates. | ||
Of course, Merriam-Webster's dictionary now says that if you're designated in their new dictionary as anti-vax, if you're against vaccine mandates, not just against the vaccines. | ||
We're joined by Dr. Robert Malone. | ||
He's going to be here, my co-host for the next two hours, going to bring a lot of personalities that are involved with this and a lot of analysis of what's going on throughout the world. | ||
One thing about that last clip from Hallie Jackson's show on MSNBC, and I want to make sure everybody, throughout the day today up on Getter, we're going to be breaking down and deconstructing the epic War Room Meets MSNBC Ari Melber special last night at 6 o'clock, where Dr. Peter Navarro and Boris Epstein owned MSNBC. | ||
And here's the reason. | ||
Ari Melber is the smartest guy over there. | ||
He's a former, I think, prosecutor, litigator, very tough guy, very smart guy. | ||
And he got owned not just by Dr. Navarro. | ||
He got owned by Boris. | ||
And here's the reason. | ||
It's quite obvious and it's obvious from Holly Jackson. | ||
And quite frankly, it's even obvious from the great Joe Rogan. | ||
There has been such a suppression of information and voices. | ||
About what this what's really going on in this pandemic. | ||
What's the science of backup? | ||
What's the evidence of backup? | ||
What's the data back of it that the mainstream media and the corporate media is just not prepared to even It's like in it's like in any sport. | ||
You got to do reps. | ||
You have to do reps well, the the 3 November movement as Boris Epstein in Navarro showed yesterday is playing January football and The mandate, the vaccine mandate, everything about the mandates, are playing at least December football. | ||
Okay? | ||
These are two crews that are up on it and battle-ready and battle-tested. | ||
And the mainstream media can't handle it. | ||
I mean, you see the naive questions. | ||
You see the not understanding basic facts. | ||
And this is why we're winning, and this is why we're going to win, and this is why this November we're going to run the tables. | ||
They're not prepared. | ||
They're lazy. | ||
They're entitled. | ||
And that's a benefit to us. | ||
Last night at 6 o'clock Eastern Time, it was a debacle. | ||
And of course, Twitter, and particularly Blue Check Twitter, what did they do? | ||
They didn't go to arguing the facts. | ||
They were all over Ari Melbourne and MSNBC for giving Boris Epstein and giving Dr. Peter Navarro a platform. | ||
A platform. | ||
Because they couldn't answer any of the questions. | ||
And I gotta really hand it to Boris. | ||
Lawyer to lawyer, he bench-pressed. | ||
He bench-pressed Ari Melber. | ||
And Ari Melber is as good as they got. | ||
That's the best guy they got over there. | ||
That's the toughest guy and the smartest guy they got over there. | ||
I want to bring in Dr. By the way, we've got world reporting on this. | ||
We're going to go to Ben Harnwell in Europe because this is a global event that's going to take place tomorrow. | ||
We've got Thomas Philipson, President Trump's last head of his CEA, on a major, major piece in the Wall Street Journal. | ||
He kind of teed up this weekend about the economics of lockdowns. | ||
Dr. Malone, but I've got to start with you. | ||
Now that you've become a global celebrity, partially thanks to you. | ||
No, no, no, no. | ||
We just do our work here at the War Room. | ||
But, put in perspective, what is going to happen tomorrow? | ||
We just had March for Life, six degrees yesterday, 50,000 people, 75% of them were kids under 25 years old. | ||
What do we anticipate tomorrow? | ||
You've got a who's who. | ||
the program as far as speakers go and that's not Laura Logan and Robert F. | ||
Kennedy Jr. yourself and all these great things but you've got a depth of medical experts, researchers, doctors that are going to take the microphone up there in front of the Lincoln Memorial. So what can people, what's the purpose, what's your task and purpose on this? So we have a number of the most highly published physicians in the world coming on tomorrow and our purpose is to just help people learn the truth. | ||
The naivete of that MSNBC piece was profound. | ||
I'm listening to this going, what world do these guys live in? | ||
Again, Matias Desmet must just be loving it because the real-time data about mass formation just continues to come on and his thesis about the role of the media in promoting this craziness is so overt. | ||
So tomorrow it's just going to be a lot of fun. | ||
We're now in a position where we're basically winning. | ||
I mean I don't want to – Michael Munger Are you saying winning because the Supreme Court and yesterday the federal judge in Texas threw out the mandate against the federal workers or is it because of the Supreme Court's thing? | ||
When you say winning, I say this all the time. | ||
Boris Johnson has just blown this wide open. | ||
But Boris Johnson didn't do it for any science. | ||
Let me disagree with you. | ||
He did it because he was in a corner. | ||
He had him in a vice. | ||
Save himself, right? | ||
They had him in a vice, there's no question about that. | ||
But he's now put Biden in a vice. | ||
What we're seeing is a cascade of failure of this dominant narrative. | ||
It's happening on a daily basis. | ||
It's amazing. | ||
Show me the evidence. | ||
Show me the evidence of that. | ||
When you say it's okay, because this is what to me separates you guys out from what we've been fighting. | ||
We've seen the assertions of Tony Fauci, and people are getting tired of that. | ||
Even people that agree with used to love Fauci. | ||
But when you say that we're winning, let's leave the Boris Johnson, the politics of Biden aside. | ||
On the facts of the case and the merits of the case, which you've always argued, walk me through where is that evidence of where we're winning? | ||
So first off, we've made this political we never should have. | ||
And the data doesn't support what we're doing anymore. | ||
The data have become clear with Omicron. | ||
Omicron is infecting the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. | ||
There's even data suggesting that vaccinated are being infected at a higher frequency. | ||
Are at higher risk than the unvaccinated with Omicron. | ||
It is blowing right through this, whether you wear masks or don't wear masks. | ||
And the wonderful thing, as we discussed way back before Christmas, is that Omicron is not killing people. | ||
It's not generating severe disease. | ||
It's nature's vaccine. | ||
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This will take it to an endemic? | |
Epidemic? | ||
We now have the WHO buying off on the narrative that we should not be boosting people. | ||
We have the Israeli Ministry of Health overtly stating that the fourth boost isn't working. | ||
This whole narrative about boost your way out of this has completely failed. | ||
CNBC, the lead story this morning, they just shifted it to the second lead story. | ||
CNBC, the business arm of MSNBC. | ||
Headline. | ||
Two years since COVID was first confirmed in the United States, the pandemic is worse than anyone imagined. | ||
And they go through a series of evidence that this is not the last mutation, the next mutation, it's all these future mutations. | ||
So how do you combat, you know, combat CNBC's headline right now that says it's worse now than it's ever been? | ||
So in part that has to do with this latest study coming out of the CDC. | ||
What we're seeing is the recycling of old data from prior virus strains. | ||
They need to stop focusing on the accumulated data from The entire two years of the pandemic and focus on Omicron. | ||
Omicron data is clear. | ||
This is much less severe. | ||
It is much more like the common cold. | ||
This is a new ballgame. | ||
And what they're doing is recycling the old data and using that to gin up more fear porn. | ||
But when you look through that, what we really – here's what we really got to get to, Steve, is somehow we got to get the government and the decision makers to stop playing these games with the data and focus on where we are right now with this circulating viral strain. | ||
Now, here's – I was just in Europe with Gert von den Bosch talking about this, the gentleman who has been at the forefront of I don't know if we have the clip. | ||
Maybe we'll play it later in the show. | ||
of vaccinating into a pandemic as we've now seen, which is the evolution of these super viruses. | ||
And they're now still talking about rolling out new vaccines against Omicron. | ||
GERD is adamantly opposed to this. | ||
We're going to drive this virus to increase levels of pathogenicity and further escape from vaccines. | ||
This is madness. | ||
I don't know if we have the clip. | ||
Maybe we'll play it later in the show. | ||
We're going to go to commercial break. | ||
Joe Biden, the other day in his press conference, he said that the way forward on the, and he followed up the day after, the way forward in going is to vaccinate the world. | ||
He said his indication... He's dead wrong. | ||
Why is he dead wrong? | ||
Because what they're going to do is continue to drive vaccine escape means. | ||
Natural immunity is superior to the vaccines. | ||
Full stop. | ||
There is no debate about it. | ||
Over 140 publications. | ||
If natural immunity is so strong, how is it that people that had the Delta version got Omicron? | ||
If you had Delta and you were not vaccinated, you still got Omicron. | ||
I'm not saying you got it seriously, but you still got Omicron. | ||
How did that work? | ||
So that's also the case with the vaccines, and what we're seeing is that the vaccinated have much narrower immunity and shorter-lived immunity than the natural immunity, and it's clear that Omicron is escaping the immunity generated from the prior strains, for sure. | ||
Okay, we're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
We're going to go to Rome. | ||
We've got Thomas Philipson here, the great head of CEA under President Trump. | ||
In President Trump's first term, he wrote an amazing piece about the economics, the debacle of these continual lockdowns. | ||
So we're going to get into all of it. | ||
Dr. Robert Malone is going to be here for two hours. | ||
Defeat the mandates! | ||
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We're kind of producing this on the fly. | ||
We were going to have a cold open for Dr. Moe, and we're going to get that here momentarily. | ||
I want to thank Denver, by the way. | ||
We're putting this all together. | ||
We've got guys from all over the world. | ||
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So I want to thank everything there. | ||
I want to go to Ben Harnwell in Rome. | ||
Ben, can you get us up to speed on what's going on internationally on this protest tomorrow? | ||
Morning Steve, morning Dr Malone. | ||
So right now there's the biggest coordinated breakout of rallies and protests that we have yet seen in two years. | ||
It's under the banner the Worldwide Rally for Freedom and it's drawn together protests in 180 cities, more than 180 cities, around the world on one day. | ||
And those cities include New York, Washington... Hold on, hang on. | ||
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. | ||
Dr. Moen, jump in here. | ||
180 cities tomorrow worldwide are going to have a Defeat the Mandates protest. | ||
And it's self-organizing, correct? | ||
Yeah, there actually is an organizational team, an international organizational team, and there's a representative here in the States. | ||
But yes, that's why we're having it on a cold Sunday in D.C. | ||
is because we want to be aligned with the rest of the world. | ||
Got it. | ||
They're all over. | ||
So Ben, go ahead. | ||
The 180 include what? | ||
Washington, New York, Mumbai, Cape Town, Tokyo, Stockholm, Toronto, San Paolo, Tehran, Madrid, Melbourne, and I think principally Trafalgar Square in London, UK. | ||
There seems to be quite like two dozen or so individual separate protests under this banner taking place in the UK alone. | ||
And the expression of the organisers here is worth dwelling on because I think it's fantastic. | ||
It says this. | ||
The truth is like a lion. | ||
You don't have to defend it. | ||
Let it loose. | ||
It will defend itself. | ||
Now, this Worldwide Rally for Freedom has identified three principle freedoms that they are coalescing behind to defend. | ||
Freedom of speech, freedom of movement, freedom of choice, freedom of assembly, and of course, freedom of health. | ||
So those are the five issues. | ||
And as I say, this is the world is the largest organized, coordinated set of protests around these single issues that the world has yet seen. | ||
Now, the footage that we're seeing now, I think that's from from the Netherlands. | ||
But as I'm talking, we'll also be seeing footage that's come in from from Stockholm as well, from Austria, in Graz, for example, the second largest city in Austria had thousands of people in their central piazza yesterday. And let's not forget that in Austria, which of course is the pioneer in terms of enforced mandatory vaccines, they had the largest protest in Austrian history. | ||
I take it the timing of this, part of it, Dr. Malone, is driven by the fact that Austria starts these draconian measures on 1 February. | ||
Ben, hang on one second. I take it the timing of this, part of it Dr. Malone, is driven by the fact that Austria starts these draconian measures on 1 February. The Bundestag in Germany is about to put forward, and these are essentially mandatory vaccination mandates. | ||
Washington, D.C. | ||
is like East Berlin right now. | ||
Right. | ||
In fact, all of you guys are staying over in the Virginia side. | ||
And we know this from people. | ||
The Republicans just came back to town for Congress. | ||
Most of those guys are now staying. | ||
Men and women have to stay in Northern Virginia because, D.C., if you don't have a vaccine and a vaccine passport, the city's locked down from you. | ||
So is the reason we're having on this bitterly cold January in the nation's capital is because globally you want all the cities tied in, but it is somehow tied to the fact that some of these governments, particularly Western democracies, are leading the charge on these draconian efforts to literally force people to get these vaccines. | ||
To force the uptake of an illegal mandate on an unlicensed vaccine product. | ||
Tucker Carlson called it last night, bless his heart. | ||
He referred back to the Nuremberg trials directly. | ||
He didn't pull his punches. | ||
We're in a situation in which the Western democracies, for whatever reason, have decided that it's okay to mandate that people accept an unlicensed medical product that is neither safe nor effective. | ||
You've spent your life as a vaccinologist, and you're the father of at least part of the technology underpinning mRNA, that is the experimental gene therapy. | ||
Why are you so down on, why are you so hard on what they've been able to come up with? | ||
Because what they've done is illegal from a bioethical standpoint. | ||
They have completely destroyed all the prior norms, disregarded them for safe and effective vaccine development. | ||
They're destroying my entire field there. | ||
They're destroying the norms of. | ||
clinical research that have been established over decades. | ||
They're just blowing them away and the most egregious thing is that they are completely disregarding the international consensus ever since the Second World War on the proper way to do medical research and to maintain an ethical stance in medical research. Ben, is the momentum picking up in the intensity and urgency picking up particularly in Western Europe? | ||
We know it is in Australia, but is in Western Europe right now? | ||
Because yesterday we showed the nonsense of this Ukrainian invasion, right? | ||
This kind of joke of what they're trying to, the media is trying to hype it up, the Biden administration is trying to hype it up, and nobody in Kiev is even buying it. | ||
Are you seeing an increase in intensity, whether it's in Brussels, whether it's in Austria, France, Germany? | ||
What is your take on things right now? | ||
I think the reality of enforced vaccine mandates needs to kick in before people step up with their respective anger. | ||
Don't forget, here in Italy, we already have an enforced vaccine mandate for anyone over 50 years old. | ||
Now, the fine here in Italy is €100, so that's substantially less than the €3,600 they're talking about per quarter in Austria. | ||
But I think, you know, These things in Europe, you need to feel the bite more, I think, before the anger really shows. | ||
But one example that I'll add, if I may, Steve, if I just quickly go to it, is Brazil. | ||
Because yesterday, right, if we're talking about anger, not that it was a violent protest, but an anger which is able to draw numbers. | ||
Look at this, what took place in Brasilia yesterday, which is the federal capital of Brazil. | ||
3 million people out on the streets to protest the vaccine mandates, right? | ||
2 million, more than 2 million in Sao Paulo and an assorted million or so in other Brazilian cities, all around the rallying cry of freedom. | ||
And that's not even, that was yesterday. | ||
So we'll expect a lot more today and a lot more tomorrow. | ||
So things are definitely starting to move. | ||
When you're talking of protests of 3 million people, Steve, this is now it. | ||
This is now the battle as it manifests itself, as people sick and tired of government controls are simply not going to take it anymore. | ||
Yeah, you hang on there, Ben. | ||
By the way, the people are, when they're looking at the Bolsonaro situation versus Lula, they're not counting on what's happening right below the surface with these vaccine mandates. | ||
They're saying, you know, Bolsonaro's out of it at 28%. | ||
They're missing, they're missing what's really going on in Brazil. | ||
I want to go now to, Ben, hang in there, I want to go now to Thomas Philipson. | ||
He was President Trump's, he was the head of the Council of Economic Advisors at the White House under President Trump, written a brilliant piece in the Wall Street Journal, get up, Thomas, walk us through your theory of the case here and this piece you wrote in the Wall Street Journal about lockdowns. | ||
Yeah, so thanks for having me first, Steve. | ||
The piece, we've been writing quite a bit in Wall Street Journal and other places, too, and on the main difficulty, I think, of doctors doing policy work. | ||
Doctors are not trained, really, to do policy. | ||
They're very focused on individual patients. | ||
And I think we see that breakdown in the policies that are being promoted. | ||
And economists have kind of have a better set of framework and also therefore can measure the damage done by diseases I think much better than what's been proposed or lack of proposals from that policy community of doctors. | ||
Which is economists think of a disease really like we think of taxes. | ||
A tax doesn't only hurt the people who pay the tax. | ||
The tax also hurts the people trying to avoid the tax through prevention. | ||
So, if you have a million-dollar airline tax, no one's going to fly. | ||
You're not going to have any government revenue from that tax, but it's going to, you know, have a massive distortion of cost in trying to avoid the tax. | ||
It's the same thing with the disease, where basically polio would be the extreme case in the U.S. | ||
We have zero disease. | ||
All the cost of polio is imposed by prevention. | ||
So the total harm of a disease is prevention plus the impact of the disease itself. | ||
And economists started measuring that very precisely early March in 2020, even, when I was at the White House. | ||
And what they found were essentially that 80% in the early part of the pandemic in the US, 80% of the harm of the disease was through prevention. | ||
That is to say, foregone economic activity, potentially induced by government. | ||
But only 20% was morbidity and mortality from the disease. | ||
And that led me and others in March 2020 to basically push very hard for a two part strategy where you basically try to focus on the high risk old in this case who are not participating in the economy. | ||
And you stay away from dealing with the low-risk young, which are driving the economy. | ||
And eventually epidemiologists came around to that through the Great Barrington Declaration with Jay Bhattacharya and others at Stanford. | ||
Yep. | ||
Just hang on for one second. | ||
We're taking a short commercial break when we get into all this. | ||
Targeted interventions. | ||
That's what we've talked about here from the absolute beginning. | ||
Targeted interventions is where you need to focus. | ||
Of course, we're off track. | ||
The interesting thing is that many European countries are going back to the same playbook of the early stages of the pandemic and these lockdowns, particularly Holland and some of these other countries. | ||
Okay, short commercial break. | ||
We have Ben Harnwell in Rome. | ||
We've got Thomas Fiddleston, the economist for President Trump, with us. | ||
We've got, obviously, the revered Dr. Malone. | ||
We've got a lot more going on. | ||
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where the world itself is Is vaccinated. | ||
It's not enough just to vaccinate 340 million, fully vaccinate 340 million people in the United States. | ||
That's not enough. | ||
It's not enough to do it here. | ||
We have to do it and we have to do a lot more than we're doing now. | ||
And that's why we have continued to keep the commitment of providing vaccines and available cures for the rest of the world. | ||
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Okay, here's a question. | ||
We'll go back to Thomas in a second about the economics of it all. | ||
Particularly because here's what is evident in both what Thomas Phillips was saying about the economics and the lockdown economics and what you're saying about the overall vaccines. | ||
There right now is an unbridgeable gulf. | ||
It's unbridgeable. | ||
Between what you're saying, Dr. Malone, and what Joe Biden's saying, and although he's hapless and feckless, his script is written by the top scientists in the United States government in conjunction, probably, with Big Pharma. | ||
But Thomas, at the same time, is saying, hey, these lockdowns, you've got to be targeting interventions, you can't lock down anything, you've got some of the smartest governments in Europe that are in full lockdown. | ||
So I want to start first with the vaccine. | ||
Tomorrow we're going to have a who's who of doctors and you guys have pulled this together with the help of some very smart people starting in Puerto Rico, then going to Rome for your conference and kind of drafting off the great Barrington Declaration that we now know from inside emails that Collins, who resigned because of this because he knows he's going to get caught, and Fauci immediately want to shut down with using like Wired Magazine and The Nation and Mother Jones, all these left wing organizations | ||
that used to have a purpose and now don't, except to represent the administrative state. | ||
But it's unbridgeable and I think this is what tomorrow we've got to get this on the table. | ||
There's no compromise right now. | ||
Joe Biden is the president, or excuse me, he's the head of the illegitimate regime that sits there, and the media has a guy around saying he's president, okay? | ||
But he speaks for the most powerful nation, not just on Earth, but in the history of the Earth. | ||
And he just said there, and I want to quote, They asked him, how do we get through this? | ||
How does it end? | ||
He says, it's simple. | ||
We're going to vaccinate 300 million plus Americans. | ||
And that's just the start. | ||
We're going to vaccinate the entire world, which is over 7 billion people. | ||
So Dr. Malone, tomorrow we're going to bring together a huge gathering globally here in Washington D.C. | ||
in 15 degree weather. | ||
You guys are going to have a who's who in front of the Lincoln Memorial. | ||
That's had so many incredible, incredible rallies in front of it, including Dr. Martin Luther King. | ||
You're going to be staying in the same place or near the same place. | ||
I think you kind of block it off up there where that is, but you'd be down closer. | ||
But with that shot of President Lincoln, who as an individual stood in the breach, It's unbridgeable. | ||
What you're saying is 180% opposite of what the United States government's saying. | ||
What do you know that they don't? | ||
So they seem to be completely wrapped up in this narrative that the vaccines are fully effective and they can get us to herd immunity. | ||
The data are clear. | ||
It is fully settled. | ||
The science is in. | ||
We stand as a group of physicians for sanity and reason. | ||
We stand for the vaccines are not working. | ||
They have literally murdered hundreds of thousands if not millions of people by suppressing early treatment. | ||
We stand for early treatment. | ||
These are the people that have developed the early treatment protocols that are now being used all over the world. | ||
Hang on a second. | ||
That's a pretty harsh term. | ||
Bobby Kennedy said it on this thing about Fauci, and he says, hey, I dare him to sue me, and they haven't. | ||
We had Tony Lyons on, we're going to try to get him later, the publisher of the book from Skyhorse. | ||
I asked him, has any of the pharmaceutical companies sued you? | ||
Has Fauci sued you? | ||
He goes, no, and they're not going to. | ||
You use murder. | ||
That's a heavy term, right? | ||
That's not, you know, involuntary manslaughter, murder. | ||
Be specific. | ||
What do you mean by that? | ||
And please cite the evidence. | ||
There has been the clear unequivocal suppression of the availability of hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, and multiple other early treatments. | ||
But did they make a mistake or did they consciously, see the difference is that that means it's manslaughter, that they didn't understand the data. | ||
Are you saying they consciously, consciously, and you will be able to prove, that they consciously knew that these early remedies, therapeutics, which we argued for too, that these therapeutics, which they're on TV every night saying you're a quack and everybody says this is a quack and everybody in the White House from Peter Navarro to Dr. Hatfield's a quack, | ||
Are you saying they consciously saw data that proves your point of those therapies work, and it proves Thomas Philipson's economic case that targeted interventions would work, because that's really the underpinning medicine and science of it, and they willfully, willfully went in the other direction? | ||
They had the Chinese protocols for treatment very early on in 2020. | ||
And they had a directive from the President of the United States that hydroxychloroquine shall be made widely available. | ||
And Rick Bright is on camera video stating that he conspired with Janet Woodcock to make it so that hydroxychloroquine would not be deployed in the outpatient environment. | ||
Rick Bright was then the head of the FDA. | ||
No, Rick Bright was then head of BARDA, which is a big funding group. | ||
So he's basically at that point four down from the POTUS. | ||
And he's working with Janet and says it explicitly to suppress the availability of hydroxychloroquine. | ||
And then we have these internal emails within the FDA joking with Janet, saying directly, encouraging the FDA for this campaign to suppress ivermectin and calling it horsepace. | ||
She's congratulating the people that put out that infamous tweet. | ||
There is all kinds of evidence here, and I guarantee that Ron Johnson is going to get to the bottom of this. | ||
That's why we're having hearings on Monday, is we're standing this up. | ||
If the Senate flips, Ron becomes head of the Senate Investigation Subcommittee, and he is loaded for bear at this point. | ||
I want to go, because about this time too, the Great Barrington Declaration, and we saw what Fauci and Collins were freaked out about. | ||
Why were they so nervous about the Great Barrington Declaration in regards to what you just talked about? | ||
And we see in the emails, they needed to crush it right away. | ||
So what's fascinating in this book from the head of the Wellcome Trust in the UK that's come out and has been nicely covered in Epoch Times is that they were using burner phones when this first came out. | ||
They were hiding the fact consciously that they were freaked out about the likelihood that this was in fact manufactured in a laboratory funded by NIH, NIAID, and that funding had been refused by DARPA because DARPA evaluated it as being too high risk. | ||
This is part of what Veritas, I want to make sure everybody understands, we're going to get more into this next week, but essentially the book that Dr. Malone is talking about is in the first, I take it, six months. | ||
90% of the time, at least according to this book, Fauci and Collins were not on finding out how to stop the spread, how to deal with issues. | ||
They were trying to figure out how to cover their ass. | ||
Because of their association with the bioweapons lab run by the PLA in Wuhan. | ||
And they were doing it using burner phones. | ||
They knew what they had done was wrong. | ||
They knew that they were at high risk for getting caught, and it's all in the The book, I think it's Jeremy Farrar, right? | ||
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
It's a huge book. | ||
Okay, hang on for a second. | ||
Dr. Malone's with us. | ||
I'm going to go back to Ben Harmon in a second, but I've got to go to Thomas Philsom. | ||
We also have some of the organizers for this massive global rally tomorrow. | ||
We're going to join us here in a moment. | ||
Thomas, the same question for you about the unbridgeable gap. | ||
Dr. Malone's walking through the science and medicine of it. | ||
You know, the U.S. | ||
government right now is more, they are, it's not doubling down. | ||
They're tripling, quadrupling down, right? | ||
That's the path they're going to take. | ||
Full vaccination. | ||
And maybe it's sunk costs. | ||
Maybe they're so far in that they can't turn around. | ||
Whatever the reason. | ||
But Biden sits up there on the press conference to define the second year of his presidency. | ||
After the disaster of the first, he says, we're all in. | ||
I want to go to you now on the economics of it. | ||
You've had all these governments in Western Europe and particularly in Holland, but they are coming in harder actually than even the first phase of this back in 2020 saying lockdowns, we've got to go to lockdowns. | ||
What are they seeing on the economics of it all and what you just thought about targeted interventions that you're not seeing, sir? | ||
I would say, what are they not seeing? | ||
I think, you know, the real issue here is that they don't really have a framework, let alone measuring in quantitative terms, what the trade-offs are between the two costs of a disease. | ||
That is to say, preventing the disease and the disease itself in terms of health impacts. | ||
They don't even know how to basically assess those trade-offs. | ||
So, this is Groundhog Day again in 2020, where People said in the U.S. | ||
and Europe that Europe was doing a better job, while economists like myself actually measured the total harm, and the U.S. | ||
was doing better than Europe in 2020, despite our higher debt, because we had a much freer economy, essentially. | ||
So, you can't go after what these people are stuck in, is sort of a framework where you're trying to minimize disease, which is like closing down the highways because we have accidents, right? | ||
You want to do it targeted. | ||
You want to go after drunk drivers. | ||
You have speed limits. | ||
You have, you know, you have to take a driving test to be able to drive, etc. | ||
And they don't understand. | ||
It's just it's unbelievable how sort of narrow minded they become because they're trained as doctors. | ||
They're not trained as policy analysts. | ||
And doctors are basically as good as analyzing policy as economists are conducting surgery. | ||
That's not their field, really. | ||
And that's why they come in for these crazy ideas. | ||
Tony Fauci is obviously still calling the shots here. | ||
I've got to ask you the questions about... They're coming to a rally here tomorrow in a city that is essentially East Berlin, okay? | ||
If you don't have a vaccine, if you don't have your papers, you really can't freely communicate around the city. | ||
You certainly can't go to a gym, a bar, a restaurant. | ||
In most buildings you can't go. | ||
New York City is the same way. | ||
Chicago... | ||
As you see Biden's strategy of full vaccinations or bust, and you see what they're doing right now with the vaccine mandates, although courts are trying to reverse it, as an economist, given the fact that, you know, you see the markets falling, you see all the problems with the supply chains, the mandates, as you look forward on the Biden strategy, what do you forecast right now for the economy? | ||
Well, on the Biden strategy, I think what they have missed, and this is the key, I think many people have sort of hinted to what the issue is that they have completely, I don't know why, why they don't focus on treatments and just focus on vaccines. | ||
So, the debacle of not learning from warp speed on the vaccines, meaning parallel production while you have FDA approval, subsidized parallel production, which brought them out quicker, We had 90,000 people die since Pfizer's trial results came out in early November, and that's a massive failure on part of the administration and not being ready. | ||
Pfizer's trials, as you know, show that this is a non-deadly disease if it's treated correctly in the treatment arm of the Pfizer trial. | ||
And I think, you know, the fact that that has not been taken more seriously. | ||
You can think about what people want to do voluntarily with the vaccine. | ||
That's fine. | ||
They can do. | ||
I don't like mandates. | ||
I think companies voluntarily. | ||
I'm a freedom guy. | ||
They should be able to, you know, do whatever they want with their in terms of their employment requirements. | ||
But it shouldn't be mandated by the government. | ||
But it's clear that people don't want to take this vaccine and why they're so hesitant. | ||
To basically make this a non-deadly disease. | ||
This should be an OTC. | ||
This should be an OTC treatment that you can buy at CVS or Walgreens instead of having testing taking a week. | ||
This is what they have in India, Uttar Pradesh. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Thomas, we've got to bounce. | ||
How do people follow you on social media? | ||
What's your website? | ||
We've got about 30 seconds. | ||
I don't have a website, but I post everything I do on my LinkedIn, Thomas Philipson. | ||
LinkedIn, Thomas Wilson. | ||
Okay, we'll get that in all the chatrooms. | ||
Thomas, thank you very much. | ||
We've got the Wall Street Journal article up. | ||
We're looking forward to having you back on here. | ||
Thank you very much. | ||
Great peace. | ||
Okay, let's do a bit of, I don't want to say great reset, let's do a mini reset. | ||
We've got Dr. Malone in studio. | ||
We're going to be joined next segment by Louise Clary. | ||
She is one of the organizers, or the lead organizer, of this massive rally that's going to take place tomorrow in the nation's capital in a frigid Washington, D.C. | ||
We've got Ben Harnwell in Rome. | ||
We're going to talk about China, the spread of this new variant there. | ||
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For unvaccinated, we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death for unvaccinated. | ||
For themselves, their families and the hospital will feel soon overwhelmed. | ||
Okay, he's saying right there, you're in the war and we've got Dr. Malone. | ||
Dr. Malone, there's no person on the face of this earth that's more in your grill than Joe Biden. | ||
I mean, he just came out here the other day and said, the path out of here Malone's essentially a quack. | ||
The path out of here is full vaccination of every person, all 300 million plus in the good old United States of America, and then the world, 7 billion. | ||
And right there, he's saying, a winner of, a bitter winner of death and darkness for the unvaccinated. | ||
Dr. Malone, your counter. | ||
Completely blew the messaging. | ||
I just come back from Europe where I spent almost a week with a bunch of Europeans and they are looking to America to lead. | ||
They still believe in the American experiment. | ||
Americans are good people. | ||
This is still the shining city on the hill. | ||
This is Camelot. | ||
And the world is looking to us, despite the missteps that we've had, despite the leadership mismanagement that we've had over the last year. | ||
Well, they're going to lead them to get vaccinated. | ||
That's where they're going to lead. | ||
That's the apparatus that runs those things. | ||
That's what I'm saying. | ||
And it makes no sense. | ||
It's unbridgeable. | ||
It's unbridgeable. | ||
The science is settled. | ||
These vaccines are not protecting against infection, replication, and spread. | ||
Further vaccination is going to drive additional escape mutants that are likely to be even more infectious and potentially more pathogenic. | ||
This madness must stop! | ||
I want to go now to one of the, Dr. Malone's agrees he's going to hang out, although he's very busy for the next hour, he's got so much to go through. | ||
I want to bring in one of the coordinators and organizers of this massive rally. | ||
It's a global event in Washington, D.C. | ||
It's going to be massive tomorrow. | ||
Louisa Cleary. | ||
Louisa, can you get our audience up to speed, particularly people in the Mid-Atlantic states that might want to attend tomorrow, even given the bitter cold nature of, the bitter cold nature is worse than what Biden's talking about. | ||
Tell us what's happening, how you organize it, and where should people go? | ||
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Yeah, absolutely. | |
Well, people are really excited. | ||
I know that it's cold out, but we hope that people will join us because it's going to be a historic event. | ||
There's going to be thousands and thousands of people there. | ||
We are welcoming to the unvaccinated, the vaccinated, Republicans, Democrats. | ||
This is a nonpartisan issue. | ||
We are not against one vaccine. | ||
We are against the mandates of forced vaccination on Americans, corporate, federal, at all levels. | ||
We know that Louise, hang on for a second. | ||
Hang on. | ||
Whoa, whoa, whoa. | ||
Merriam-Webster's Dictionary, one that just came out, said anti-vax used to be people that are like Children's Defense Fund and others that have been, you know, said there are certain elements of that, not all, that are anti-vax. | ||
But the new definition, ma'am, is that you're anti-vax. | ||
If you're anti-vaccine mandate, the definition, the new definition of the term is that you're anti-vaccination. | ||
What do you say, ma'am? | ||
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You're exactly right. | |
They've changed that definition purposely because they want to pivot and put us in a category that has, with the propaganda they've put out, unfortunately, that's a category that they can demonize us. | ||
And our goal is unity. | ||
Our goal is bringing people to do what's not constitutionally right right now, to fight against that. | ||
So this is DefeatTheMandatesDC.com is the website. | ||
We are meeting Sunday, this Sunday, January 23rd at 1030 a.m. | ||
at the Washington Monument. | ||
And we are leaving and starting the march at 1130. | ||
And we will be walking in unity and peace from the Washington Monument to the Lincoln Memorial, where there will be a program with thought leaders, speakers, physicians will be opening this. | ||
JP Sears has signed on to emcee the event. | ||
We're very excited about that. | ||
And we have leading physicians and speakers across our nation that are going to be at this event. | ||
So we're very excited. | ||
Hang on a second. | ||
How did you get involved in this? | ||
How did you come to be the organizer of the anti-mandate, at least the Washington part of this, which is massive? | ||
How did you come to this? | ||
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Yes, there are two of us. | |
I'm a co-organizer with Matt Toon. | ||
He is with a network that has a corporate mandate. | ||
And right before Thanksgiving, he was reaching out to people In this movement in general and he reached out to Steve Kirsch with the Vaccine Safety Research Foundation and I am campaign director for that foundation and Steve said, yeah, let's go. | ||
Let's do this. | ||
We were going to do a California event. | ||
And we decided to take this to D.C. | ||
and make it a national event because so many people are paying. | ||
It's too easy and too nice a time of year to do one in California. | ||
Let's come to Washington in the middle of winter. | ||
Why not? | ||
I admire your courage. | ||
What do you hope, and we'd like to hold you through the block. | ||
We've got tons of people coming on, but you're the organizer here. | ||
What do you hope to achieve tomorrow? | ||
In six degree weather. | ||
Tell me what you hope to achieve tomorrow. | ||
Actually, it'll be a balmy, I think, 18 or 19. | ||
But what do you hope to achieve? | ||
What's the purpose of this? | ||
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The purpose is to gather thousands. | |
And I think mainstream is coming. | ||
Mainstream media is actually coming to report this event, which is pretty unbelievable to us. | ||
We didn't know we'd get that kind of attention. | ||
But we are trying to promote That this is not right. | ||
We're bringing people together. | ||
We hope it's a spark that lights a fire. | ||
It continues on Monday, Tuesday, the rest of the week, the rest of the months to fight against these mandates and tell America that this isn't right. | ||
Let's go. | ||
We're going to go to break. | ||
But let me just tell you, Holly Jackson and the group, just to give you not to not to not to burst your bubble, but the mainstream media say it's a collection of grifters, right? | ||
Grifters and quacks that are coming together. | ||
So they're coming there for a reason. | ||
And it's not to support you guys. | ||
They're coming there for a reason to drop the hammer. | ||
So we're going to take a short commercial. | ||
We're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
We got Louisa Clary. | ||
We got Ben Harnwell. | ||
We got Dr. Malone that's here with us. | ||
And we got a cast of characters. | ||
Next hour of people coming together around this rally that's one part of a massive global movement. | ||
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We're going to be back in the war room in just a moment We will fight till they're all gone We rejoice when there's no more! |