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unidentified
Raised in a small basement apartment in Queens, New York, by my single mom, with the help of my grandparents.
My family fled Cuba to escape socialism.
But growing up, we went through the same financial challenges that countless families face in this country.
I've worked a dozen jobs, and just like my opponent AOC, I've bartended just to make ends meet.
But that's where our similarities end.
As an adult, I've struggled.
I've even been homeless.
But I never thought of myself as a victim or blamed systemic racism for my problems.
I just worked hard and I never gave up.
And as someone who's always wanted to do more for my country, I enlisted in the National Guard.
I am proof that opportunity exists for anyone in this country, that America is worth fighting for, that our values and our constitutional rights are what set us apart from the rest of the world.
But my opponent AOC is doing everything she can to undo what countless Americans have died to preserve.
She authored the extreme Green New Deal, thinking that the government should take more control of our lives, and wants to raise taxes on hard-working people like you to pay people who don't even want to work.
She's destroyed thousands of jobs in New York, wants to get rid of jails, defund the police, thinks that putting criminals in our streets will lower crime rates, and shows more sympathy to communist dictatorships than to our own country.
Her main focus has been her brand, and our country has paid the price.
Y ahora, yo estoy aquí para decirle a AOC que se acabó la fiesta.
I refuse to let this Democratic Socialist and her goon squad push us more towards desocialism that destroyed the lives of countless families, including my own.
For me, this is personal.
That's why I'm running.
And that's why you need to join our fight.
You don't need to be a New Yorker to understand what's at risk if she gets re-elected, or to help me defeat her.
You just need to join this fight.
I'm Desi Cuellar, and with your support, we can save America.
steve bannon
Okay, we now want to introduce you to Desi Cuellar.
So Desi, if we're going to win 100 seats, one of the ones that we would like to take down is AOC.
She's obviously got a huge platform here in Congress, and she's used that platform, quite frankly, very smartly.
For somebody that's in the minority, the Progressive Caucus is driving the agenda and has radicalized the agenda of the Democratic Party.
So walk us through the practicality.
How are you actually going to do that?
We've had some pretty good people try to take her on and nobody's done it.
So how are you going to be different?
unidentified
Our strategy moving forward is essentially going to be targeting the Hispanic community.
The Hispanic community makes up 51% of the district and there's never been a strong Hispanic candidate that's run against the Democratic Party in the district.
So when you look at the actual numbers of how she's won, everything is inflated in terms of her stardom.
In order to beat Crowley, she only pulled 3% of the total registered Democratic vote.
So, when you think about how, you know, it was a massive accomplishment, it was just 3% of the vote.
And then to win the general election... Hang on a second.
steve bannon
I just want to make sure people understand that that's in a primary.
Walk us through that quickly, because she beat an incumbent who had been around forever as a power broker.
unidentified
Yes.
steve bannon
But she did it in a primary.
Walk through.
She only got 3% of the total registered voters in the district in that primary, correct?
unidentified
Correct.
Yeah.
So for all of the Democratic registered voters in her district, she only pulled 3% to beat Crowley.
Because Crowley was, I mean, you know, he's been around forever.
And sometimes that can create a facade of strength politically.
You know, only three percent of the vote took it to beat him, to get him out.
steve bannon
He was Frank Skeffington in Last Hurrah.
He took it for granted and she ran the tables on him.
But how are you going to reverse that?
She's a rock star.
She's going to raise two billion dollars.
You know, she's thinking of running for the U.S.
Senate.
But if she stays in the House, you know, she blew up, what she blew up, was it Amazon?
She blew up the, you know, she blows up companies.
How is she not going to blow up Desi Cuare?
unidentified
Because I'm going to weaponize the actual people who vote against her.
You look at her influence and it's more nationally.
I can't go down the street without running into somebody that thanks me for running against her.
Everybody cannot stand this woman because she's never around.
So the 51% of the district is Hispanics.
And a lot of them just, if you just expose to them what the Democratic Party actually stands for and what they're doing, it's going to be very, very easy to change their mind, especially in the world that we're living in today, because today, You can see how the situation with the schools have gone.
Our streets are overran with crime.
Our police departments are suffering.
And the Hispanic community, the minority community, along with every other community, but specifically the minority communities are the ones that are suffering the most.
So they're going to be the easiest ones to show that this is what's happening and this is why we have to get her out.
And I think that being a Hispanic myself, being able to speak to them in Spanish, I'll be able to not just come to them and say, Hey, I'm a Republican.
Just vote for me because it'll be better.
I'm going to show them, listen, I'm one of you.
Okay, we're all going through this together, and I'm actually going to do something about this.
And once they see the difference, I think it should be pretty easy.
steve bannon
Okay, are you for or against Build Back Better?
unidentified
I'm 100% against it.
steve bannon
Okay, she's going to sit there and go, look, I was for Build Back Better.
It had the child care, it had the preschool, it had free community college, it had this, it had ba-bing, ba-bang, ba-bung, you know, thousands and thousands of dollars for you guys.
And Cuellar is nothing but a front for the cold, calculating, heartless Republicans who want more tax cuts and more deregulation.
And what he represents is really the Upper East Side of New York.
Right, and he represents the Wall Street junta.
I'm for you.
Desi Cuellar, what's your counter to that?
unidentified
That's pretty rich coming from somebody who was at the gala with the type of dress that she was having.
There's a misconception that the rich don't pay enough.
They pay 46% of all taxes.
I think the top 10% pay more than the bottom 90%.
And when you look at the issue that the left has been pushing for so long is that rich people are the problem, the rich are the problem.
That's not the problem.
That's never been the problem with this country.
That's one of the things that have made this country great.
The problem with this country are the elected officials.
steve bannon
The rich have made this country great?
unidentified
They are one of the factors that have made this country great because we donate more to charity.
We donate more to help every other country and help our own country more than the government does.
So when you look at the fact that there's a prevailing issue that's been going on over time, the main issue has been the people who are elected into office.
And you can look at, I mean, we have the worst politicians in history right now.
Because our country is in the worst position that it's ever been.
So you can't keep, I mean, there's going to be a certain amount of time where, you know, politicians can't keep pointing the finger at the rich or the Russians or the Chinese or whoever.
They need to start taking accountability as adults and start actually taking action to do the right thing to help the communities of the people that they are elected to represent.
steve bannon
The community there doesn't like her that she's a that she's become a rock star and made that made the district famous because it's AOC's district.
They don't like that.
They don't think she's taking care of the district itself.
unidentified
No, she's not taking care of the district at all.
And it's a lot of people find that offensive when she'll go on TV and say, oh, the numbers are just inflated.
It's just hysteria.
It's just essentially, you know, your community is getting shot up and your CBS getting robbed.
That's all in your imagination.
That's what AOC tries telling people.
People are seeing with their own eyes the reality of the situation.
steve bannon
51% of the district you're saying is Hispanic, right?
Or Latino?
unidentified
Yes, 51% is Hispanic and 43% are Spanish-speaking.
Let's take the 51%.
Of the 51%, what percentage of those are registered as Democrats?
steve bannon
I'm not sure on the current number.
unidentified
Let's take the 51 percent of the 51 percent what percentage of those are registered as Democrats I'm not sure on the current number. I think I Can't I can't give you an exact number I don't know but I would say I would say my happy The end.
steve bannon
Would I be incorrect to say maybe a vast majority of those would be registered Democrats?
unidentified
No.
No, that wouldn't be incorrect.
steve bannon
So here's my point.
You're going to ask for registered Democrats or people that lean Democratic to vote for you against AOC.
And once again, give me the theory of the case.
How are you going to do that?
unidentified
By essentially speaking to them in Spanish, because the Republican Party doesn't really do that.
I'm going to speak to them in Spanish.
I'm going to take the issues to them directly.
And instead of just catering to their emotions, I'm going to use the surrounding areas to show them, look, this is what's happening.
And this is what the Democratic Party stands for.
So you can tell a lot about somebody's intentions by their actions.
And the Democratic Party has a history of actions now on paper.
That you can reference and say, look, this leads to this.
So you may be Democrat and I may be Republican, but we're voting for our community.
We're voting to save our community.
That's what matters.
Political parties don't matter.
What matters is America and the community that we live in.
That's the most important thing of all.
So you're either for America or you're not.
And I think that once they see that, Hey, this is actually what's going on.
They're going to, they're going to be likely to come in my favor and I don't need a lot of them.
In order to win.
But I think I can get almost all of them.
steve bannon
Because you're saying you're going to have a big enough turnout from Republicans, you just need some sort of minority of the Hispanic community to back you, and that's the way you take her on a beater?
unidentified
Not exactly.
I believe that if I could just appeal to the Hispanics by showing them that I actually understand what they want, that I'm not just going to be using talking points, then they'll be able to switch their opinion and realize that it's just a smarter decision.
steve bannon
Okay.
How do people find out more about you on social media?
How do they follow you?
How do they get to your campaign?
How do they learn more about how you're going to do this?
Because look, let's be honest.
This is a monumental... You know, you had the woman from CNBC who gave it a great shot, had great backing.
I realize that... I don't think she was from the district.
I think she moved in.
She got smoked.
You know, people have tried to take on AOC before.
Chuck Schumer shaking in his boots.
He doesn't want her to run against him for the Senate.
So she's a power.
As much as people on the left and the right don't want to think she's a power, she's a power.
So to take a power, you've got to go for it.
How do people find out more about you?
How can they start to do their due diligence on Desi Quayar?
unidentified
If people would like to know more about the campaign, they can go to desiquayar.com.
It's right behind me.
If they would like to donate, I mean, The War Room crowd is the most actionable crowd in the world.
So if they can help out, they can donate at djcforny.com.
D-J-C-F-O-R-N-Y.com.
That would be the most effective way of helping out.
Again, I don't think that she's as much of a superstar at the ballot box as she is in the media.
Because if it wasn't, she wouldn't, you know, she won her last re-election with only 18% of the total district votes.
So if everybody back there and everybody believed in her, I think that she'd be Winning by much more than that.
So I think that it's just a factor of people are picking what they think is a lesser of two evils instead of somebody who truly represents them.
And when I come into the race against her as a stronger, you know, when everything gets closer, they're going to see that I am the candidate that truly represents them.
And I think we're going to see history.
steve bannon
Desi, are you on social media?
Can people follow you on social media?
unidentified
Yes, I'm also on Twitter.
Desi J. Cuellar is where you can find me on Twitter.
steve bannon
Desi, thank you very much.
Great to have you on Godspeed.
Thank you very much.
Desi Cuellar, running against AOC for Congress.
Let's go now to AmFest in Phoenix, Arizona.
We've got Captain Bannon.
Can you hear me, Mo?
maureen bannon
I can.
steve bannon
So Jesse Waters lit the crowd up yesterday.
We've got Jack Posobiec lit the crowd up.
Tell us what's going on out there.
maureen bannon
So Jack Posobiec held a great panel yesterday to show how independent journalism played a part in what happened in the trial in Kenosha.
Today we are closing out the conference and we have so many great speakers and another panel to end this amazing four-day conference.
And we've had true patriots out here and people that also came that didn't know much about this movement who their eyes were opened by the speakers here.
steve bannon
Yeah, I heard.
We're going to try to get to that.
We'll try to get to that maybe this afternoon.
I heard Ben Burkham did some incredible, incredible... Real America's Voice had a major presence out there.
Ben Burkham did some incredible interviews with people whose eyes were open, minority community.
It's been amazing.
Tell me, before I punch out, what's the energy level like out there?
Is this how we're going to sweep 100 seats for 100 years?
You're seeing the energy?
maureen bannon
The energy is ecstatic out here and especially Turning Point USA is hitting the younger crowd to get them involved in politics.
So we're starting to see teenagers actually getting more involved in the political arena and I've seen a lot of teenagers here learning how to get involved and what they can do to get this movement continuing to go forward.
steve bannon
Okay, thank you very much.
Great report.
We'll look for you tonight with everything.
I know you're going to be taking off, but if you get any, we'll get Ben Burquhams and others.
I want to thank Real America's Voice.
They've done an amazing job out there.
Captain Bennett, thank you so much.
maureen bannon
Thank you.
steve bannon
Is that a live audience?
I love that!
Out there at AmFest.
I want to thank everybody.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
We're going to talk, remember, this is all at the railhead of this is a spiritual war.
We're going to talk about who's got your back and who doesn't next in the war room.
unidentified
We're going to talk about who's got your back and who doesn't.
We're going to talk about who's got your back and who doesn't.
Good night.
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And incredible, in the middle of all this, and this is, you know, you heard You know, we've been talking about this a lot, right?
About the spiritual warfare that's going on here.
The railhead of all this is a spiritual war.
In the middle of this, Catholicism, as we have many traditional Catholics who listen to this show and watch this show, If you haven't looked at Crisis Magazine, go to the website and check it out.
hope What is your article outline?
I want to put the article across the board on all of our platforms and up on the site right now, and of course at Denver, put it up on the screen.
Eric, walk us through what you call, I guess, spiritual abuse?
unidentified
Right.
For some reason, Pope Francis seems to think that people who attend the traditional Latin Mass, for those who aren't sure what that is, that's the Mass as it was celebrated before the 1960s Vatican II Council, He seems to think those people are the biggest problem in the Church today, when in fact, as most people know, the Catholic Church has been crumbling for some time now.
Lots of people are leaving, millions of people, excuse me, are leaving the Catholic Church, and it's the traditional Latin Mass that's actually growing.
It's the one thing, the one part of the Church that's growing is the traditional Latin Mass, And for some reason the Pope thinks this is a thing we have to shut down, and I think it's because it's the one group in the Church that recognizes that the Emperor has no clothes, meaning all the things that Pope Francis is trying to do is actually harming the Catholic Church.
It's harming the ability for the Catholic Church to preach the Magistrates of Jesus Christ, to preach the coming of Jesus Christ at Christmas, all these things that the Pope does harms that, and yet in the traditional Latin mass community is saying The Emperor has no clothes.
What you're doing is actually harming people, and he knows that, so he wants to crush them.
And so he's making all these moves to make it more difficult for priests to say the Tradition on Mass, for bishops to allow it.
He's just adding restriction upon restriction, and he just added some more this past Saturday, just a week before Christmas.
steve bannon
And what did he do this past Saturday?
He threw down even harder, correct?
unidentified
Right.
So what he's done is he's added more restrictions.
He's made it so that, for example, you can't celebrate ordinations or confirmations in the traditional rite.
He's made it so that you can't celebrate both the new rite and the old rite on the same weekday.
A priest can't do that.
He's made it so bishops, it's much more difficult for bishops to allow priests to celebrate traditional Latin Mass.
And the most comical thing is he's actually said you're not allowed to advertise traditional Latin mass times in your church bulletin.
So literally the Pope is saying in Rome is saying that some parish in Des Moines that wants to have a traditional Latin mass can't put it in their bulletin.
That's how ridiculous and how comical this is.
steve bannon
OK, this is what I think it's hard for people to get, particularly people that are Christians and not Catholics, is that in a church that's clearly bleeding out attendance, you can go to any church in the United States and see how the pews are empty.
And this is not even it's let's leave the covid situation aside for a second.
Why would anybody that's rational take the part of the church that's growing, which is the traditional part of the church, particularly with young priests, right?
And people dedicating themselves to Christ for their life.
Why would anybody that's the head of that operation try to shut down the part of that that's actually growing?
unidentified
I think it's ideological.
Pope Francis has invested himself with a certain view of the Church, of the Catholic Church.
It's very much embedded in his views of what happened in the 1960s with all the changes in the Catholic Church.
And simply, he can't admit that he's wrong, that those things have led to not—they haven't helped, but they've actually led to this decline.
They've helped cause this decline.
And so for him, He's just doubling down and saying, no, if I just get rid of these, these meddlesome traditionalists, then everything's going to be okay.
When we all know that's exactly the opposite is going to happen.
It's just going to shrink even more.
So I think it comes down to ideological reasons, not, not spiritual reasons.
steve bannon
Let's go to Ben Harnwell.
We still have Ben in Rome.
Ben, you've been working this for years, and quite frankly, this is how we met, I think, ten years ago, or the longer ago than that.
What's your assessment?
Is Eric Sammons correct?
Is his theory of the case correct, that ideologically the Pope is so far to the left, and with the social justice warrior part of the Church, that he's trying to crush this growing and vibrant and urgent traditional part of the Church?
ben harnwell
Well, firstly, Steve, I just want to say it's a great honour for me to be on this segment along with Eric Salmond.
So I follow Crisis Magazine every day and everyone listening should certainly do that because it's great with the news and the interpretation.
You know, it is certainly ideological, right, because Francis is really the last, represents the last holdout of that revolutionary 1968
But beyond that, having been in Rome for 10 years and have studied this pontificate extremely closely, I'd like to, and I'm not a clinical psychologist, but I'd like to make a speculative point that beyond being ideological, and it is ideological, but beyond that, I also think there's a psychological element here.
I personally believe that this Pope Suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder, right?
NPD.
I think his primary problem with traditionalists is that, and I spent a lot of time amongst traditionalists over the years, is that in their whole spiritual outlook, they concentrate their lives on Jesus Christ, right?
In the sacrament especially, right?
And I don't think the Pope psychologically can handle that, because he wants Catholics to be emotionally and spiritually focused on him and on what he says.
And when he comes to these traditionalist movements, and they're clearly focused on Christ, especially in the sacrament, he takes that as a personal rejection.
steve bannon
Wow, I'm glad we got that guy as the head of the church.
That's a pretty damning analysis.
Eric Sammons, the question is, what are people to do about this now?
If Ben Harnwell is even close to being correct, what are traditional Catholics supposed to do now that they're basically being treated as unwelcome guests in their church, sir?
unidentified
I think in general, as much as possible, they should ignore these commands, just completely ignore them.
I think they need to urge their bishops, more importantly, to ignore them.
I was actually happy to see back in the summer when the Pope first started to do this, a lot of American bishops in particular simply ignored it and simply just didn't follow it.
And what I'm hoping is that the same thing happens here.
Because honestly, this is an administrative headache for bishops, and they're administrators first and foremost these days.
And for them, the traditionalized mass communities, they're just, they don't bother them.
So they're, oh, just keep doing what you're doing, I don't care.
And now listen, the Pope's saying, no, you have to go crush them.
steve bannon
And so I think that's just a headache for them.
But if the Pope's saying crush them and you're saying don't pay attention, aren't you driving, isn't this going to lead to a schism?
unidentified
I hope and I hope and pray it doesn't.
But that's exactly, I think, what the Pope wants to do.
I think he wants to actually cause a schism where traditional Catholics leave the Catholic Church.
But the fact is, it's our church.
And so we're not going to leave it.
And the Pope will eventually die.
And so we pray that the next pontiff will just reverse this.
Because after all, he reversed the previous Pope, Pope Benedict, who liberalized saying the Latin Mass.
So what my prayer is that the next Pope will simply say, OK, we're going to ignore all that.
We're going to we're going to rescind what Pope Francis did.
So I do think the Pope actually wants to cause a schism.
He wants us to leave.
But I just say we just simply refuse to leave.
steve bannon
That's a pretty blockbuster.
I mean, that's a pretty blockbuster statement.
You believe the Pope is driving a schism in the church to drive the traditional Catholic.
This is a church that's losing attendance everywhere because of all the scandals.
And now you've got all these woke priests.
And you're saying that he wants to drive a schism to force out the traditional Catholics from the church?
unidentified
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.
I think he wants to try to drive people.
There's a group called the Society of St.
Pius X, which isn't in schism, but it's kind of in a regular situation.
And I think he wants to drive us all to that group, and then he will kick that group out and basically force them into schism.
And I think that's what he hopes happens, because then he doesn't have to deal with us, because we're not part of the church anymore, in his mind.
steve bannon
Kim, how do people follow you on social media?
How do they get to Crisis Magazine and get to your writings?
Because this is pretty explosive.
unidentified
Right, so you already mentioned CrisisMagazine.com is their website.
We're on all the social platforms.
We're on Gitter, we're on Twitter, we're all over the place at CrisisMag.
That's our handle on all these different places.
I'm also on all of them at Eric R. Salmon, so you can follow me on all those different social media platforms as well.
steve bannon
Eric, we know you've got a book coming out.
We're going to talk about that more later.
We'll have you back on.
Pretty explosive.
Ben Harnwell, thank you very much for your analysis and your commentary.
We will see you tomorrow.
International Editor stationed in Rome.
Pretty, pretty, pretty...
Serious and pretty scary.
Talking about schism in the church in the middle of all of this.
Short commercial break.
Gonna go back to Phoenix.
We got AmFest.
Also gonna go to Oxford University.
Justin Lane.
In the middle of all this, the deep undercurrent is transhumanism and the drive of artificial intelligence to basically change and control your life.
next in the war room.
unidentified
Welcome to the war room.
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O little town of Bethlehem, how still we see thee lie, Above thy deep and grievous sleep of sight.
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Do you think in a few years' time, in a decade perhaps, we'll all have things like this?
Yes, of course.
I really do think so.
steve bannon
You know, we juxtapose the classic hymns of the Judeo-Christian West against all of this madness.
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basically in late 2019, early 2020.
But you've got to see how it develops.
And one thing you're seeing, the merger of what we call this issue about transhumanism, this convergence of advanced chip design and artificial general intelligence, regenerative robotics, advances in biotechnology through CRISPR, which you're seeing now in some of these experimental gene therapies that are the cutting edge of that.
Also in quantum computing, the convergence of those five, what we call vectors, into this point.
It's called the singularity.
On this side of that line of demarcation, the convergence of all those is going to be Homo sapiens plus.
On this side of the line is Homo sapiens.
On the other side of the line is something that's not Homo sapien.
That's Homo sapien plus.
That'll be the biggest, most fundamental line of demarcation in mankind's history.
The most fundamental line.
And it's going to happen in the lived experience of people in this audience.
And it's happening and it's accelerating at an accelerating rate.
In fact, if you go back and look at human history, it's relatively flat on productivity and all that up until the invention of the steam engine.
What, in the early 19th century?
And then you see the explosion of technology and productivity.
You know, human nature has not changed.
Go back and read Genesis, or Gilgamesh, or any of the great texts of ancient Egypt, or Persia, or the Chinese, or the Judeo-Christian West, any of the ancient texts, it has not changed.
unidentified
Okay?
steve bannon
Or, where it has changed is for people's own self-development and spiritual development.
But you've had an explosion of technology.
That's the two constants of the world.
The constant of human nature, and then the explosion of technology, and now it's accelerating at an accelerating rate.
Joe Allen, I've got to get Justin Lane in here because this artificial intelligence and what he's come up with is quite stunning.
But I've got to ask you, because you've been working on this for a while and I know you've got a big piece coming up.
You're seeing, and I don't say this lightly, they say they are.
Not Steve Bannon, not The Worm, not Joe Allen, our editor for All Things Transhumanism.
They're bragging about it.
You are now creating or self-creating cyborgs in countries like Sweden about these chips for the vaccine passports and other things.
Joe Allen.
joe allen
Yeah, that video got a lot of traction online for obvious reasons.
The company is Epicenter, and the man who first spoke is Hannes Joblad, if I'm pronouncing that correctly.
Now, Hannes, two years earlier, told ITV in England That he would like to see a total merger of man with machine and increased cognitive capabilities.
Clearly, I don't think he would shy away from the term transhumanist.
And I think the reason that that video got so much traction, I mean, it's a small company, about 150 or 200 people are chipped there.
It's not that many.
But when people see, you know, a technologist who is You know, advocating for subdermal implants in the palm, which has deep resonance in the Christian tradition, it's no surprise that religious people are horrified.
And, you know, add to that all of the other sorts of technological augmentations that are being pushed, what I think a lot of alarmed observers see is something that isn't just, you know, a sort of existential crisis of human beings and how we'll deal with technology, but they see the resonance on a spiritual level, especially in regard to the Christian prophecies.
And, you know, there are about 5,000 people in Sweden who are presently chipped in this fashion.
They can use it to open doors and pay cashless and enter concerts and ride public transport.
steve bannon
Are they cyborgs by traditional definition?
Are they cyborgs, yes or no?
joe allen
I would say yes.
I mean, the definition of cyborg is, you know, it's a cybernetic organism.
It's an organism that is so in tune or has absorbed technology to the point that it is now a part of that organism.
Yeah, the cyborgs, they're not just saying it to be cute, and they're not planning on stopping at chips and palms.
This sort of fetishized cult of technology that at the moment is quite small.
steve bannon
All the conservatives and everybody, you know, spooge loving on Elon Musk.
Loving on Elon Musk.
He's a great guy.
Let's have more deregulation, more tax cuts, and let's give him more tax money because he's the Iron Man character.
He's fantastic.
He's great.
He's Transhumanist-in-Chief.
The FT and the Times just made Transhumanist-in-Chief.
You think you've got a small chip in the palm of your hand?
Or on the web of your right hand?
He's putting a chip in your brain.
And don't give me the thing about paraplegia.
I understand how they start.
That's not where they want to end.
And it's not where Elon Musk and the guys around him want to end either.
Neuralink is dangerous, okay?
I understand it can have some help for paraplegia, but that's a front for the morons, okay?
You ain't selling that here, bro.
Man of the year.
Transhumanist of the year.
And they're trying to normalize it.
That's where the FT and Time came in together.
It's not Tesla or the spaceships.
That's all marginalia.
I want to bring in Justin Lane from Oxford.
Dr. Justin Lane, you said, Dr. Lane, your book is that we can understand, you actually understand religion through artificial intelligence.
Walk us through that, because we had some technical problems with it yesterday.
Take a couple of minutes.
How do you understand religion through artificial intelligence?
unidentified
Yeah, glad to be back.
I think the starting point comes to something that you mentioned earlier, right?
It has to do with human nature.
So by Programming human nature using algorithms that approximate human nature rather than just mathematics and statistics.
That's what allows us to understand religion and culture and the things that make us most human without going into that machine learning area where we actually can't really learn much about human nature.
We learn more about the algorithms and the designers than we do the phenomena of religion or spirituality or culture.
steve bannon
Are the designers now the people that, because this gets back to actually who's writing these programs and who's actually driving the artificial intelligence that eventually artificial general intelligence, the machines themselves will drive it.
But at the railhead of it, what is the, is the, is the inclination of these people religious?
Are they believers?
Do they have faith?
Are they politically left or right?
Because that has to have something to do with where this develops, correct?
unidentified
Yeah, when it comes to their religious leanings, it's a mixture of people who would describe themselves as atheists and non-believers, but there is a large influence of people who do self-describe as Christian.
One of the largest funding bodies in this area is a Christian philanthropy.
It's met with some controversy in the field, but that is generally the makeup and the presence of it.
Politically, you could say there's a spectrum there, but it does lean hard left, I would say, when you look at the distribution of whether or not someone would identify or be classified as liberal or conservative.
steve bannon
Well, then, leaning hard left, what's the logical conclusion of that?
unidentified
Well, the logical conclusion is the same as it would be for anything in engineering, right?
Or anything in computer science is that the people who are making the algorithms are going to have some sort of implicit bias that they're going to be lensing into it.
And we need to have very ideologically diverse groups at the table.
One of the things that I've had in a discussion with Joe Allen in the past in the media is the fact that conservatives aren't at the table in the AI debate.
There are surveys that have looked at who's donating to where and which party and what their occupations are.
And people in the IT and computer sector generally align similarly with academia and Hollywood as being further on the left.
Um, so that's, uh, that's where I think we are making that assumption that the AI crowd overall, the developers are also leaning left.
steve bannon
Did you say the biggest funding is a philanthropy?
Is that Templeton?
When you said it was religious?
unidentified
Yeah, John Templeton foundation.
And yeah, it's from Templeton today.
Well, it's the 2nd largest fund.
It really the largest funding is the Department of Defense.
steve bannon
You got D.O.D.
doing one in the arms race, right?
Hey, I war-bot right there.
I war-bot, okay?
You know where this is going.
You see Schmitt's book that this is bigger than the Age of Reason.
But Templeton, when you say it's religious, Isn't it more a social justice warrior version of Christianity?
It's certainly not a traditional conservative form of Christianity.
They're like the Rockefeller Foundation, the Ford Foundation.
They all start with old man Templeton, what he wanted, and now you devolve down to what the social justice warriors.
I tell you what, hang on to that.
Dr. Lane and we're gonna return we got Joe Allen our editor of all things transhumanism.
What a better way To run to finish the show on winter solstice than a discussion about the reality the reality of The singularity in artificial intelligence.
It's all over your life right now You don't even know how much right now artificial intelligence drives you like a little rat on a wheel little mouse on a wheel It's already there and it's quite, quite, quite dangerous.
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steve bannon
Talk about cancel culture right now.
Bette Midler is getting lit up.
I think even with the White House for her derogatory remarks by the good citizens and patriots up there.
West by God, Virginia.
You folks hang in there.
You're the salt of the earth and the backbone of this great nation.
Okay?
And don't let a bunch of Hollywood types smear you.
Okay?
You just hang tight.
Good folks in West Virginia.
I gotta tell you, outrageous how these people sit there.
Bette Midler is a disgrace.
She also has been.
I don't even know if she's hanging around for...
Also, CNN, this will be Cable News Network, headline analysis, Biden's economic ratings are worse than Jimmy Carter's.
Told ya.
Told ya.
It was, Cortez and I have been coming up in Navarro with the misery index to do the real numbers.
Remember, Carter lost, got swept because the misery index was at 20.
Inflation plus unemployment during his term of office.
We said the real inflation rate in this nation is about 13 or 14 percent.
We calculate the old way as it was done during Carter's time.
About 13 percent.
Unemployment, the real unemployment, because the reason unemployment is so low is two and a half or three million folks over 55 years old have either punched out and said, I'm retiring early, I can't take it anymore, or have been let go of the jobs because they always let the old folks go first.
Shouldn't say old folks.
You kids.
Let you kids go first.
You add, that's eight percent.
Yeah, the 13-8.
Hello?
Wait for it.
I've said the Biden misery index is 20-21 percent.
CNN.
And that correlates with the polls are telling you people are feeling it.
They're getting crushed.
From the less sublime back to the sublime.
Dr. Justin Lane, just take a minute about artificial intelligence is already in the life of this audience.
Can you explain how?
Because I don't think people quite appreciate how their lives today, they're like Pavlov's dog a little bit, right?
Artificial intelligence is already in their lives.
How is that so?
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, at this point, AI is pretty ubiquitous.
I mean, even if you go to the ATM to take out cash, right?
That ATM is sending a signal to a bank that's running that signal through an AI algorithm that's trying to see whether or not there's fraud happening, right?
So fraud detection is there.
Anytime you post on social media, AI is being used, right?
Particularly if you're using the mainstream sources, Twitter and Facebook, they're running everything through different trackers and different analytics to make sure that it's not violating things like community standards, Whether or not it's going to, you know, be subject for shadow banning, all of this sort of thing.
So it really, you can't get around it.
steve bannon
Uh, then what are, what then are people to do?
Particularly populists, the conservatives, the Trump movement.
What are we to do in a world that's increasingly going to these types of machine learning?
How can, how can, how can we be Luddites and fight back on this?
unidentified
Well, it's hard to be a Luddite in 2021.
Um, I think that the biggest thing to keep in mind, right, is that AI is a tool.
Um, and it's, uh, it's very similar to a gun in that way.
I look at AI and the second amendment and very similar lens personally, um, you know, when it's in the hands of a hero, great things can happen when it's in the hands of a tyrant, terrible things can happen.
I think that the biggest thing that we can do is basically to truly democratize AI and make sure that everyone has a seat at the table and everyone's talking about it.
That means that, you know, that's going to help to stop the biases that we currently see in social media with things like shadow banning and people going against community standards for just speaking their mind out against topics that might go against a more elite ideology.
The second thing is just having the ability to unplug and putting money where the mouth is, right?
These are capitalist institutions.
So when you look at the sub-dermal chips that Joe Allen was talking about just earlier, one of the differences, you know, I do wear a smartwatch, right?
But I can take this smartwatch off.
And then when I take this smartwatch off, they're no longer tracking the same things in the same way.
I can put this in a box and throw it away.
Something like a microchip is something you don't escape.
That's more or less a one-way street.
steve bannon
Yeah, we'll have you back on and talk about it because it's so overwhelming now.
Plus, the microchip person gets the better job, gets in the better school, the kids get into schools.
This is going to be the biggest political issue of our time.
It's heading there.
It's coming.
That's where we want to get this audience ahead of it.
Dr. Lane, thank you.
By the way, Dr. Lane, how do people follow you on social media and how do they get to your website to learn more about your books and your writings?
unidentified
Yeah, so the best way is actually to follow me on Mines.com, actually.
That's where we're doing most of my actual social media is there.
So Mines.com slash Allen Analytics or Mines.com slash C-O-G-I-J-L.
Make it difficult so it's harder to track.
steve bannon
Joe Allen, you've got the piece coming up today.
Where's it going to come?
Where are we putting this up today on the new cyborgs in Sweden?
joe allen
Yeah, that'll be coming out in the Federalist.
It's in review process right now, so as soon as they've got it ready, it'll be up at the Federalist.
The working title is, Sweden's Implanted Vax Ports are the Tip of a Technocratic Spear.
There's also, I've done some writing on this.
I published an article a couple of few months ago called, Reaching for the Mark of the Beast, and it's looking at the religious implications and the religious perception of this sort of technology.
Also, you can find that one right now at war room org under the transhumanism tab that's reaching for the mark of the beast Go to by the way, how do people get you on was it your sub stack and in and getter?
steve bannon
How do people get to you?
How do people track you?
joe allen
All social media, Gab Twitter and Gitter at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z and joebot.xyz for my substack.
Thank you very much, Steve, and thank you very much, Justin.
Talk to you soon.
steve bannon
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you, Justin.
By the way, incredibly important topics.
Another topic, 2.30 today, talking about cyborgs.
Just kidding.
Joe Biden, the head of this illegitimate regime, this fiasco that the American people are now wise to.
He's at Jimmy Carter levels.
We're going to break down the Dakamas poll today.
I told you I was going to get a two-handle in front of it.
Independence, 29%.
That's what I think.
That's their approval. 29%.
Yeah, he got 81 million votes.
Sure he did.
Okay, just pat us on the head and just say, just shut up and sit over there in the corner and get your vaccinations.
No, don't think that's going to happen.
2.30 he's going to walk you through his plan and at 5 o'clock we're going to be back here to deconstruct it.
Because he's not doubling down, he's tripling down on this is a problem of the unvaccinated.
Just ask Jimbo Kramer.
Hey Jimbo, how's it sitting with you?
You got the, uh, you got the CCP virus after getting vaccinated.
Another vaccinate, boosted.
And they're talking about FEMA camps for everybody, Jimbo.
Not working out so well for you.
Now you're crying, throwing your toys out of the pram.
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