Dec. 20, 2021 - Bannon's War Room
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Well, the virus has now killed more than 100 people in China, and new cases have been confirmed around the world. | |
| You don't want to frighten the American public. | ||
| France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans. | ||
| But you need to prepare for and assume... Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China. | ||
| That this is going to be a real serious problem. | ||
| France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on. | ||
| Health officials are investigating more than a hundred possible cases in the US. | ||
| Germany, a man has contracted the virus. | ||
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus. | ||
| Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500. | ||
| We have to prepare for the worst, always, because if you don't and the worst happens, War Room. | ||
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Pandemic. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Banham. | ||
| Okay, it's Monday, 20 December, Year of the Lord 2021. | ||
| It's the beginning of Christmas week. | ||
| Now with, what is it, almost 125 million downloads on the podcast. | ||
| Of course, we're live everywhere. | ||
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| And of course, we want to thank GNews and GTV for the simulcast in Mandarin And Japanese and want to welcome our audience throughout the world, particularly New Zealand. | ||
| We got some breaking news out of New Zealand. | ||
| We know we have a big audience down in New Zealand. | ||
| We're going to get to that in a second. | ||
| By the way, Financial Times today headlines travel restrictions extend across Europe as Omicron cases soar that the anti-vaccine process protests. | ||
| As we told you, ladies and gentlemen, what happens in Europe on this virus comes to the United States 90 days to six months at max. | ||
| And what you're seeing is across the board, they're shutting everything down. | ||
| The Parti of Davos, the World Economic Forum, Davos has been cancelled. | ||
| They're going to start cancelling things across the board. | ||
| Big travel restrictions they're going to put in. | ||
| You saw over the weekend from the Rockettes to Saturday Night Live to NBA games. | ||
| NFL National Football League has been expanded now out till Tuesday because of this. | ||
| They're also shifting away what they even call the testing to try to keep these leagues alive. | ||
| Royce White, former professional basketball great, is going to be on to talk about that. | ||
| You know, Kyrie Irving and now are allowed to play again. | ||
| It's a fiasco and a disaster. | ||
| And Biden was supposed to be stability and order. | ||
| And we're now seeing from emails with Fauci, Collins is leaving. | ||
| Collins is trashing people over the weekend. | ||
| Oh, they tried to force me to do, you know, hydroxychloroquine and therapeutics. | ||
| You're seeing emails. | ||
| We're going to get the Great Barrington guys on here, the heroes of the Great Barrington Declaration, which history is going to show if we had followed what these great individuals put forward, the country would be through this by now. | ||
| Because what Omicron is going to show you, I think, is you finally get to herd immunity. | ||
| But they're not going to do that. | ||
| They're tripling down on vaccines. | ||
| I want to bring in now Dr. Naomi Wolf, who's warned us about this now for over a year. | ||
| And she's been right on everything, except now the time compression is... It used to be 90 days. | ||
| Now she says something about two weeks later, it's right. | ||
| So, Dr. Wolf, as we sit here on the beginning of Christmas week, give us your assessment globally, and particularly in the United States, and in your beloved New York City and New York State, where exactly we stand. | ||
| As Biden's going to take the stage tomorrow, right, and he, trust me, he's going to sit there. | ||
| This is about a dark winter coming for the unvaccinated. | ||
| You're the cause of this. | ||
| We need bigger travel restrictions, and they're headed towards mandatory vaccinations. | ||
| Dr. Naomi Wolf. | ||
| Yeah, I think we have to face what we're seeing. | ||
| There are restrictions locking down Europe again, even though these great scientists and leaders you're about to speak to have shown conclusively, as have study after study, that that's not helpful and that the collateral damage is massive. | ||
| So I think we need to face the fact that this is about, you know, rolling back history. | ||
| It's about Leaders, oligarchs regretting the last 70 years of the rule of law and individual human rights in Europe and wanting to create a feudal society in which they're in charge and we're not. | ||
| And it's that simple. | ||
| And I, you know, I'm moved by the tens of thousands of people protesting in Europe, but I'm also aware that protest does very little if the forces of darkness are amassed in this sophisticated way and if people buy it. | ||
| So I'm praying for the protesters in Europe, but I fear that they're relatively powerless unless There's a full-scale organized resistance, peaceful resistance. | ||
| Hang on. | ||
| I want to go to something you said, though. | ||
| You know, going back to a feudal society, because right now this is what the young people in this country are kind of like Russian serfs. | ||
| They don't own anything and they're not growing anything. | ||
| You could actually make an argument for a feudal society if it was structured and stable and the guys running the feudal society kind of knew what they were doing. | ||
| Isn't the problem we have here and correct me if I'm wrong Isn't the problem they're trying to enforce kind of feudalism or use the scientism of this medieval like theology But that everything they touch They make worse It's not that it's good if you hit if they if they said Great Barrington and these guys at Great Barrington are a bunch of kooks and wingnuts and let's get rid of them and And that's what they were saying. | ||
| We need to we need to have a counterstrike immediately. | ||
| That's what the emails between Collins and Fauci show you. | ||
| If Collins and Fauci and Biden and HHS and all this had been correct and World Health Organization had been correct, we wouldn't be here today. | ||
| My point is they're trying to incorporate feudalism where everything they touch is wrong. | ||
| Every decision they make is wrong. | ||
| Everything they do makes it worse. | ||
| Dr. Naomi Wolf. | ||
| Well, I don't agree that we should even be considering feudalism as an option at this age of human history, where a constitutional democracy in Europe was supposed to be an evolved set of nation states with constitutions and parliaments and human rights law, Nuremberg Code, Geneva Convention. | ||
| I mean, something they're wanting us to forget is that all these things are already illegal. | ||
| They're illegal. | ||
| They're illegal. | ||
| And that's why they're trying to get rid of the Nuremberg Code, which is a law. | ||
| You cannot coerce people to take a medical treatment they don't want. | ||
| The great scientists you're about to speak to can tell you more about that. | ||
| It is against multiple layers of European law. | ||
| It's against global law. | ||
| You can't do it. | ||
| So everything we're seeing is illegal. | ||
| And I think that, you know, what's also shocking is that the Omicron variant, and I keep seeing these cliches surge and soar, you know, Everyone out of South Africa whose credentials are saying it's not that serious so far. | ||
| The data we have showed that it's not that serious. | ||
| So I reject and the law should reject the notion that because there's a public health emergency, even if that were the case on a broad scale, that we lose rights of assembly, we lose rights of bodily autonomy. | ||
| That's not how the developed West works. | ||
| That's not how the rule of law works globally. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I also think that we should notice that this is a lot of theater to some extent. Like, there is a public health emergency. Everyone I know has the, you know, COVID right now. I don't mean to belittle it. It can be very serious. But as I say again and again, and the Great Barrington Declaration signatories were absolutely prescient. Nations live through pandemics. They live through epidemics. And what epidemiology, the great | ||
| epidemiologists know, and this I'm told has been the standard of care in public health until 2020, is that the best thing to do is keep things as normal as possible and protect the vulnerable, support the vulnerable, which is exactly what these great, great leaders proposed. | ||
| And we would be all free. | ||
| Our kids would be in school. | ||
| Our families would not be torn apart. | ||
| Um, you know, yes, we would have lived through, you know, a bad public health crisis, but our society and our rights would be intact if we'd listen to them. | ||
| And I want to say one more thing about the people you're about to bring on and introduce or reintroduce to your audience. | ||
| This is a time of demons. | ||
| I am absolutely convinced that in addition to whatever fights we're fighting on a material and political basis, We're also fighting a spiritual war. | ||
| And I, you know, as a kind of secular humanist who does believe in God, I'm reluctant to say that publicly, but I think we have to face it. | ||
| And so just as it's a time of demons and demonic energies being unleashed on the world through these, you know, purported public health measures and global lockstep tyrannical assaults against humanity, it's bringing out the demons. | ||
| It's bringing out the collaborators. | ||
| It's also bringing out angels and defenders of humanity. | ||
| And Jeffrey Tucker, who was at AIER, and I'm proud to say has been a colleague, brought me to AIER. | ||
| I'm now at the Brownstone Institute, founder of the Brownstone Institute. | ||
| Dr. Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford, Dr. Martin Kulldorff of Harvard, and Dr. Sunetra Gupta of Oxford. | ||
| These are among, you know, a dozen or two dozen angels who are kind of standing at the gates of humanity and defending humanity, you know, with truth and real science. | ||
| So I just wanted to say that we need to know who our defenders are. | ||
| Dr. Wolfe, how do people get to your site because you're fighting this on a state basis where we need to and how they follow you on Getter? | ||
| Sure, it's Dr. Naomi R. Wolfe on Getter. | ||
| I love that platform and please do keep coming to dailycloud.io and supporting us and becoming members at dailycloud.io. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Dr. Wolfe, thank you for joining us and teeing this up. | ||
| Now I want to bring in the better side of our nature, the angels, to start with Jeffrey Tucker. | ||
| Jeffrey, tell us, in Brownstone, you've got a couple of books out, but you're one of the guys that helped organize the Great Barrington Declaration. | ||
| We saw emails over the weekend where Fauci and Collins, these two demons, immediately realized what you guys had done with the caliber and quality of professionals from Oxford and from Harvard, which you had put forth. | ||
| Walk us through Great Barrington. | ||
| How did you guys conceive it? | ||
| What was the statement you made that got NIH, and particularly Fauci and Collins, so worked up that they had to try to shut it down immediately? | ||
| Well, I should be really clear that I am not a scientist. | ||
| I'm a publisher and an enabler of intellectuals. | ||
| And so that's kind of what my role was, was just to provide a platform for these guys. | ||
| But we had all been going crazy ever since March. | ||
| Why are these lockdowns being tried? | ||
| February 28, the New York Times ran an article by its lead virus reporter, Donald J. McNeil, and the title of the article was, to take on the coronavirus, we need to go medieval on it, okay? | ||
| So, you talk about bringing back feudalism. | ||
| That was the plan. | ||
| I mean, they said it, February 28th. | ||
| So, we saw the lockdowns happen, so many lives, millions of lives. | ||
| By the way, I just want to make sure, hang on, I just want to make sure people understand, this is 2020. | ||
| This is at the very beginning of it, right? | ||
| This is 2020, that you guys, you were on this immediately, right? | ||
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Right. | |
| Well, so, but Steve, you can imagine, right? | ||
| We used to think of it as being like some sort of voice for stability and responsible public life or, you know, good public health or something like that. | ||
| February 28, 2020, they ran an article called, To Take on the Coronavirus, We Have to Go Medieval on It. | ||
| So that was by their lead virus reporter. | ||
| And the day before he had been on the New York Times podcast, which has millions of listeners, you know, generating wild fear and hysteria about this. | ||
| There's no question that The highest levels of the thing was planned, you know, two weeks before it happened. | ||
| Two weeks and several days before the lockdowns actually were implemented. | ||
| But by the summer and by the fall, it was obvious that they had flopped, right? | ||
| We saw Sweden doing well. | ||
| We saw South Dakota doing well. | ||
| Georgia had already opened up and people were suffering. | ||
| The health crisis was growing. | ||
| Poverty around the world was increasing. | ||
| Hospitals were basically around the country mostly empty because Our governors, people don't remember this, the governors took over the hospitals and reserved them only for COVID patients. | ||
| So you couldn't get a cancer screening, no elective surgeries and so on. | ||
| Dentistry was practically abolished. | ||
| So yeah, we went medieval. | ||
| So yeah, there were three people that were really instrumental and we found each other because of social media. | ||
| We felt very alone in those days and they came together. | ||
| It was, I have to tell you, Steve, it was a very earnest effort. | ||
| I think from Martin Kulldorff's point of view and Jay Bhattacharya and Sinatra, their purpose was to educate journalists so we could start getting the other side out there. | ||
| Educate them in cell biology and public health and the way viruses are and so on. | ||
| Educate them in the differential impact of coronaviruses that hit old people very hard, but immune systems for everybody else just need to The virus needs to become endemic. | ||
| It's just basic public health stuff that everybody knew until, I don't know, March 12th or whatever. | ||
| So the statement that they made was just reasserting what you would call public health orthodoxy. | ||
| It wasn't radical. | ||
| It wasn't crazy. | ||
| It was just a statement about cell biology and public health. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| But by then, the messaging from from the Fauci's and the Burks's and the Collins and that sort of weird cabal that sits on 40 billion dollars of grant money and has, you know, media contacts all over the place, the orthodoxy had changed. So the only answer to a virus was lockdowns and mandates and brutalization and the destruction of the market, the destruction of the social order, the destruction of people's rights and so on. | ||
| Jeffrey, just hang on for one second. | ||
| We're taking a short commercial break. | ||
| We're in return with Jeffrey Tucker, the publisher that helped pull together, provide a platform for the Great Barrington Declaration, and Dr. Martin Koldorf, recently of Harvard University. | ||
| next in the War Room. | ||
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I rise here in such mean estate, where ox and ass are feeding. | |
| But Christians fear, for sinners fear, the silent word is pleading. | ||
| But the angels sing, glory to the newborn King. | ||
| Welcome back to the War Room. | ||
| It's Monday, the 20th of December, the year of our Lord. | ||
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the world. | |
| And we're starting Christmas week, and what a week it is. | ||
| Explosive on the political side, on the cultural side, social side, but particularly this pandemic. | ||
| Remember, we started this show on the 20th of January of 2020. | ||
| We were ahead of this before anybody else. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because we understand China probably better than virtually all the experts in the United States. | ||
| We understand Hubei Province, Wuhan, the military situation with the medical facilities in Wuhan. | ||
| We understood starting in mid-January when they canceled Chinese New Year's for the first time in 10,000 years that this was a big deal and a very big deal and that's where we dug into this and of course that opening weekend people have to remember That Tony Fauci, and we'll pull the clip tomorrow, Tony Fauci on the 23rd of January went on the John Catsimatidis radio show, the big show that plays every Sunday morning. | ||
| on WABC in New York and said, there's nothing to worry about here. | ||
| This is, you know, it's not going to be SARS. | ||
| It's nothing coming out of China. | ||
| It will not come here. | ||
| That was his quote. | ||
| Now, we begged to differ. | ||
| We were talking to guys in the White House, particularly Dr. Peter Navarro at the time and others. | ||
| We had we pulled together a great team of experts to walk us through everything that was to to come on this about this virus. | ||
| But one of the things that greatly got our attention was the Great Barrington Declaration. | ||
| that came out shortly thereafter. | ||
| And I want to ask Jeffrey, can you just summarize, Jeffrey, since you were the guy that actually helped pull this together, and you're not a doctor but a publisher, and really somebody that supports, you're a public intellectual, but you're somebody that supports public intellectuals. | ||
| What exactly was, for our audience, the Great Barrington Declaration? | ||
| It was a very plain statement of public health orthodoxy that drew attention to the realities of cell biology and the dangers of lockdowns, and gave an alternative prescription, one we had long practiced. | ||
| It wasn't an innovation, which is that the vulnerable population should be careful to shield themselves while the rest of society functions so we can achieve an endemic equilibrium on a new virus. | ||
| That was exactly what everybody believed. | ||
| You could have downloaded a book from Cell Biology for Dummies from Amazon and seen the exact same thing. | ||
| It wasn't anything unusual or radical about it. | ||
| In fact, Yale University on March 2nd 2020 came out with a statement that's very similar. | ||
| Don't quarantine, don't lock down, don't shut schools, churches, businesses. | ||
| That statement was signed by 800 medical professionals and public health scientists at the time. | ||
| The Great Barrington Declaration was just a crystallization of what everybody understood to be true, which is why when we released it, there was so much celebration throughout the world. | ||
| Finally, some people with some brains and some moral courage have said what's true. | ||
| And so that's why it has now almost a million signatures, you know, and tens of thousands of scientists signed it. | ||
| But, you know, a couple weeks later, we realized that there was something else going on. | ||
| And there was fury on the part of the Fauci's and the Collins's and the Burks's and these people who control so much money and have so much access to media. | ||
| And instead, you know, it's fascinating to look at these emails, because we like to think of these people as scientists who are adhering to the latest research, you know? | ||
| No. | ||
| There's just hundreds of millions of people who are suffering all around this country and around the world, and they're tittering with each other and sharing articles with each other from gadget magazines and left-wing webzines like The Nation. | ||
| You know, so this is what they cared about. | ||
| It's all about PR for them. | ||
| That, to me, is the biggest shock about reading these emails. | ||
| Jeffrey, just before I turn to Dr. Kulldorff, just recently of Harvard, what always struck me, you didn't have a group of wingnuts on this thing. | ||
| These are some of the most prominent people from the prominent universities and research centers in the world, from Oxford, from Harvard, correct? | ||
| This was not a group of marginalia? | ||
| You didn't have a bunch of osteopaths or others? | ||
| Sinetra Gupta from Oxford is the world's most famous and revered theoretical epidemiologist, you know, an author of many, many books, including some fiction, which is a great artist and intellectual. | ||
| Kulldorff is a giant in his field. | ||
| Bhattacharya, the same thing. | ||
| I think the difference, why did they do it? | ||
| I think it just comes down to they were suffering, watching the world fall apart around them, while everything they had been trained in Said that what was happening was just wrong and could not work and was going to cause enormous damage. | ||
| And they decided to do the right thing. | ||
| I know it's rare in our world, but they decided to do the right thing and speak out against it. | ||
| And boy, they paid a very serious price for it. | ||
| These are heroes, and I want to bring in now one of them, Dr. Martin Kaldorff. | ||
| And Dr. Kaldorff, you know, we present evidence and data and science, not scientism, on this show, but I just have a basic question, because I'm far from an expert in this. | ||
| But if we had implemented what you individuals laid out in the Great Barrington Declaration in 2020, Would we have heard immunity today and would this thing be like the flu? | ||
| Would we be through all of this today and not sitting here? | ||
| On the 20th of December, and looking at massive shutdowns in Europe, forced vaccinations in great countries like Austria and Germany that are all coming here, vaccine passports in the United Kingdom and Great Britain, and the United States now shutting down New York City and about to have the President of the United States come up tomorrow and say, hey, this is all because of the unvaccinated. | ||
| If we had implemented What you individuals laid out in the Great Barrington Declaration in 2020, in your professional opinion, would we be at herd immunity today, sir? | ||
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Yes, I believe so. | |
| We would have reached the endemic stage. | ||
| We can't eradicate this disease, so we'll always live with it, but we will be in an endemic stage where there will be a few cases and a few deaths every season, but We wouldn't have to worry about lockdowns and anything closing schools. | ||
| People wouldn't be discussing those things. | ||
| Dr. Koldorff, when you were a participant and helped draft the Great Barrington Declaration, given you have dedicated your life to this at one of the greatest universities in the world, Harvard, were you, I know you've been turned in, they've turned on you immensely, but at the time did you anticipate That the apparatus in the United States, particularly led by Collins and Fauci, would literally have a firestorm against you individuals and against the tenets of the declaration? | ||
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I didn't expect such an organized attack from the highest levels of NIH. | |
| So that very much surprised me. | ||
| I did expect a lot of commotion about it because we have been trying to speak up for a long time. | ||
| We have been very difficult. | ||
| So the idea about the Great Barrington Declaration was if we were three epidemiologists, they had basically been ignoring people like me and others who were trying to speak up, other infectious disease technologists. | ||
| So the idea was that if it were three of us who spoke up, who all have long experience with infectious disease technology and who work at In your professional opinion, why was things like traditional herd immunity or therapeutics or doing this in another way, except for what they went in all in on vaccines? | ||
| Why do you think that happened? | ||
| of the declaration when it came up. | ||
| In your professional opinion, why was things like traditional herd immunity or therapeutics or doing this in another way, except for what they went in all in on vaccines? | ||
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Why do you think that happened? | |
| What's your best guess of that? | ||
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So it's not for public health reasons. | |
| So there are other societal or political reasons, which probably others understand better than I do, because I'm a simple scientist, but there's no public health reasons. | ||
| It goes against the basic principles of public health. | ||
| So one thing that happened was that all the focus was on COVID. | ||
| That's not public health. | ||
| You have to consider all the collateral damage on cancer screening and treatment. | ||
| We have had worse cardiovascular disease outcomes. | ||
| worse diabetes treatments, the mental health has been a huge disaster. And then of course, we have the educational issues that children haven't gone to school and that's of course critically important. So we have all this collateral damage that these lockdowns and other restrictions have caused. And that's part of public health. And to ignore that means you don't understand public health. And I think both Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins, the NIH | ||
| director, they completely ignore all this collateral damage. | ||
| Peace. | ||
| We're going to be back in a little bit. | ||
| When I cut on CNN and MSNBC every day, whether it's from Johns Hopkins or all these top universities, I get all these experts, not just in public health, but epidemiologists, vaccinologists, and they just over and over. | ||
| It's relentless. | ||
| There's no counter argument on these networks or even places like the New York Times or the Washington Post. Why is it seems like so many of the experts in the field also said no therapeutics, nothing about herd immunity, and in fact, you can't get to herd immunity, you've got to vaccinate your way there. Why do you think that happened? | ||
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Dr. Anders Fogh Rasmussen So I think it's sort of a misconception of what most infectious disease ignorants think, because those who are colleagues that I talk to privately, they are not excited about lockdowns, and they agree with us about focus protection, That's the right approach. | |
| Bye. | ||
| But the problem is that if you have NIH director and Fauci at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, when they go and make a public health policy strategy, when they are pushing for something, Other scientists will not dare to speak up because they are the ones who fund all the scientists. | ||
| So I knew when I started to speak up that there will be consequences and that my scientific career might be over because I was challenging these very powerful people who have, who are sitting on the money. | ||
| But I can't, I mean, I've been working with 20 years on infectious disease outbreaks. | ||
| I can't be a scientist and keep quiet about these things and this disaster. | ||
| I think we have the proof now that these restrictions were disastrous, both for COVID as well as collateral damage. | ||
| Dr. Kordoff, Jeffrey, I understand you may have to jump for an interview, but we're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| We're going to return on this topic of the Great Barrington Declaration. | ||
| Also Royce White will be joining us, and Justin Lane from Oxford University, all in the next half hour in the War Room. | ||
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Why lies he in such mean estate, where ox and ass are feeding? | |
| Okay, welcome back. | ||
| Merry Christmas. | ||
| It is Monday, the 20th. | ||
| And of course, the Financial Times today leads with travel restrictions extend across Europe and Omicron cases soar. | ||
| Talks about the very violent anti-vaccine protest over the weekend. | ||
| So it's a lot going on. | ||
| Biden is going to address the nation tomorrow about his plan, which is going to be Further lockdowns and absolutely heading to mandatory vaccines for the unvaccinated. | ||
| I blame it totally on the unvaccinated like Austria is and Germany. | ||
| Some of the two greatest countries in the world. | ||
| I would argue Germany's the home of some of the greatest experts in epidemiology and all this and you're hearing this madness every day. | ||
| I want to return to Jeffrey Tucker. | ||
| Who is the publisher and the organizer of The Great Barrington. | ||
| Jeffrey, incredible work in doing this and we're going to get into it more later in the week because we've just started this. | ||
| It's so important because now the emails are out and showing Collins and Fauci for exactly what they were. | ||
| Not addressing the issues of the orthodoxy of public health that the great Barrington laid out with some of the top experts in the world, but to have to create a firestorm and you hit it last, you gave the buried lead last segment. | ||
| Giving each other articles from The Nation and Wired and all these kind of marginal publications, not dealing with, not peer-reviewed journals or not serious scientific, but using just the smear tech techniques that are used. | ||
| So Jeffrey, you're a hero for organizing this. | ||
| And if we had implemented what the great Barrington said at the time, which is focus on herd immunity, focus on public health, do the orthodoxy, we can get through this. | ||
| We'd be through it today and it'd be like the seasonal flu. | ||
| It'd be not a pandemic, an epidemic. | ||
| Jeffrey Tucker, how do people, Brownstone, how do people get to you? | ||
| How do people find out more about you? | ||
| We're clearly going to have you back on here in the next couple days, but thank you so much. | ||
| How do people follow you? | ||
| Well, I hope so. | ||
| You mentioned the science, you know, that's all we do. | ||
| We have 400 studies showing the failure of lockdowns on Brownstone. | ||
| So we're at brownstone.org. | ||
| I'm survive on Twitter for now. | ||
| But I also just recently opened up a Gab account, but you can find it. | ||
| Just go to Brownstone, sign up for the emails. | ||
| You know, I'm pretty sure in the next few weeks, we're going to see some sort of disaster with YouTube's new terms of use and Google's new terms of use and Twitter. | ||
| Things are going to get really bad, really fast, and I'm expecting it to happen in the next couple of weeks, so you need to get on that email list right away so we can communicate with you. | ||
| We've got to keep speaking the truth. | ||
| Brownstone is absolutely unbelievable, and you've done a great service to your country, and you've done a great service to all mankind, so thank you very much, Jeffrey Tucker. | ||
| Thank you, Steve. | ||
| And by the way, people understand, life has not been easy for these folks. | ||
| They were singled out, and you saw Collins and Fauci at the beginning. | ||
| Dr. Kulldorff, you, recently, you've been at Harvard. | ||
| You're one of the most esteemed individuals in the world in this area. | ||
| Currently, where are you going now? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| How can people follow you? | ||
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Well, I have two affiliations. | |
| One is as a senior scholar at the Brownson Institute. | ||
| And another one as a fellow at the Academy of Science and Freedom, which is a new initiative by the Hillsdale College. | ||
| And I think that unfortunately, the scientific institutions has failed us, both the funding agencies, the publishers of scientific journals, as well as universities. | ||
| And I think the most outrageous example is universities. | ||
| They are not acknowledging natural immunity. | ||
| If you have had COVID, you have better, stronger immunity than the vaccinated. | ||
| But that's not acknowledged by universities, who should be beacons of enlightenment in this world, and they are not. | ||
| So what we have to do, we have to build new, if we're going to save science, which I love science, it's beautiful, but it's the structures that are not working, it's too centralized. | ||
| So if we want to save science, we have to build new organizations and new scientific institutes, like Brownstone and like the Academy for Science and Freedom. | ||
| Dr. Koldorf, before I let you go, you've dedicated your life to this. | ||
| Did you see this coming? | ||
| I mean, you're talking about the major research universities. | ||
| These have been around since the Middle Ages. | ||
| You're talking about institutions that are a country from the founding of a country like Harvard or places like Oxford, the great universities in Germany. | ||
| Did you, as a top individual in this field, did you see this coming? | ||
| Did you see that rot? | ||
| I didn't see it coming. | ||
| in the intellectual life of science? Because I say now it's scientism. It's kind of become a medieval theology. It's not based on data, evidence, or fact. Did you see this coming, or did this part of it catch you by surprise? I didn't see it coming. I mean, I knew there was issues that were not perfect with publication process, for example, but no, I did not see it | ||
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And I expected to continue my career as a sort of a quiet, simple scientist working on infectious disease outbreaks, developing new methods and helping health departments implement them. | |
| So I'm surprised, to say the least. | ||
| Dr. Koldorf, you're a hero. | ||
| And you're a hero for standing up for science and to try to help your fellow man. | ||
| So we greatly appreciate it. | ||
| Look forward to having you back on. | ||
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Thank you for having me. | |
| I appreciate that, Steve. | ||
| Thank you, Dr. Kaller. | ||
| Let's go to Royce White now. | ||
| Royce has been all over. | ||
| Royce, I don't have time today to get into Beijing and what we want to do there and your work on that, but I got to focus on from the sublime to the less sublime, from science and the greatest research universes ever to the practicality of reality in America, particularly when it comes to sports, the intersection of sports, science, health and politics. | ||
| What has happened over the last couple of days? | ||
| That I know that you've been all over this, particularly in the NBA and the National Football League. | ||
| Royce White. | ||
| Thanks for having me back, Steve. | ||
| You know, I'll be brief. | ||
| I think one of the hallmarks of authoritarianism is arbitrary rule changes. | ||
| And they're rule changes that, when examined closely, lack logic and they're full of contradiction. | ||
| And in the NBA situation, particularly, We've gone from Kyrie Irving being indefinitely suspended for refusal to be vaccinated to now the Brooklyn Nets are talking about bringing him back because they've had injuries and the vaccinated players have come down with COVID and have to go on the COVID protocol. | ||
| And, you know, that shouldn't shock us, right? | ||
| The NBA and the NFL and the corporatocracy have been operating this way for a long time. | ||
| And I'll say this, like I told you, I think the Burry lead is their owner, Joseph Tsai, you know, being one of the co-founders of the Chinese multinational retailer and e-commerce company Alibaba. | ||
| And I don't know where his allegiances lie politically with the growing geopolitics. | ||
| He's 100% CCP. | ||
| He's 100% CCP. | ||
| Jack Ma's CCP. | ||
| This guy's the real brains and back of Alibaba. | ||
| This is the man. | ||
| 100% CCP. | ||
| Not even a question. | ||
| Knows more about this than anybody. | ||
| It's outrageous. | ||
| Outrageous. | ||
| He even owns an NBA franchise. | ||
| Well, and I only say that I don't know where his allegiances lie because he was born in Taiwan. | ||
| So that throws a curve in there. | ||
| But I'll say this. | ||
| I told people that the sports world is a reflection of a global corporatocracy. | ||
| Here's the interest of Alibaba and the CCP coming to bear home right here in America on a young individual, young talented individual like Kyrie Irving. | ||
| And look, the vaccine mandates are where the corporatocracy is going to try and flourish now in their authoritarianism. | ||
| As soon as the federal government saw that the vaccine mandate wasn't going to hold up legally or constitutionally from their office down on the people, The first measure was to go to the corporatocracy, conspire with them to threaten people to either lose their jobs if they don't get vaccinated. | ||
| So, you know, it's not any more clear to me that the corporatocracy is one of the greatest social issues we face, and the sports world is going to be the best example for people to look to. | ||
| I want to make sure that people, we'll play it tomorrow, if you listen to Kyrie Irving, when he gave that, that was basically the Great Barrington Declaration. | ||
| He's essentially throwing in with some of the greatest epidemiologists and vaccinologists in the world. | ||
| And yet he was banned until all of a sudden it becomes a business problem. | ||
| You're seeing the National Football League. | ||
| If the National Football League, as great as the season's been, as it hurdles towards a playoff, if they have to move the games one week, and you already see it, we're playing on Tuesday afternoon now, Joe Biden's approval rating is going to go to 2%. | ||
| Royce, you've been on fire on this topic. | ||
| Tell people how they get to you, how they follow you on social media. | ||
| You're going to be back tomorrow to talk about the Beijing Olympics. | ||
| You can follow me on Gitter, and I also have a substack that you can go and read some of my pieces, one of them being a letter where I encouraged Kyrie Irving to hold the line against this growing threat of radical authoritarianism. | ||
| We're going to put that up on all our platforms and push that today. | ||
| Royce, thank you very much for joining us. | ||
| Look forward to having you back with your thoughts about the Beijing Olympics and the corporatocracy of NBC, given the CCP billions of dollars. | ||
| Royce White, thank you so much. | ||
| I want to pivot now to artificial intelligence. | ||
| We've got a very special guest, Dr. Justin Lane, a CTO of Allen Analytics. | ||
| He's a specialist in AI and wrote a book called Understanding Religion Through Artificial Intelligence. | ||
| Justin, thank you so much. | ||
| We've got Joe Allen. | ||
| Thanks, Joe, so much for teeing this up. | ||
| I want to get to the part about, because we're talking about social control and authoritarian rule. | ||
| We've been focused on artificial intelligence, artificial intelligence. | ||
| But you've come up with a theory about the kind of direction of artificial intelligence as far as the way it's programmed and politically. | ||
| Can you walk through what your theory of the case is, sir? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, first, thanks for having me. | ||
| I'm happy to be here. | ||
| And definitely a big thanks to Joe. | ||
| He's a good friend of mine. | ||
| My general approach towards artificial intelligence in that area is that machine learning is not going to hold the key to creating a useful artificial intelligence of things that are social. | ||
| And that we actually have to take our inspiration less from mathematics and more from actual biological evolution, and try and create programs that mimic the mind in ways that are less based in machine learning and big data, and more based in psychological realism. | ||
| But that's not what's happening today, though, correct? | ||
| No. | ||
| Today we're going the pure mathematical right. | ||
| That's what I want to get to. | ||
| Why is that dangerous, the direction we're heading right now, because it's being driven by mathematics? | ||
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Yeah, effectively what it is, right, is when you have a machine learning algorithm that's running everything that we're trying to do in that area, you come to the most mathematically efficient answer. | |
| And the most mathematically efficient answer is not always the answer that's best for humans. | ||
| So by trying to root artificial intelligence in a human intelligence perspective that's based in psychological studies and human evolution, I'm trying to create something that's one, more controllable, two, more ethical from a data perspective, and three, something that's able to be validated and you can see that it's realistic and you can change it if you need to. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| By the way, the question we want you to answer on the other side of our break is you actually wrote an amazing book, Understanding Religion Through Artificial Intelligence. | ||
| And I'd like you to just think about that for a second. | ||
| When we come back to the break, we want to bring this up. | ||
| Artificial intelligence. | ||
| Transhumanism. | ||
| We're hurtling towards a singularity. | ||
| The fundamental issue of our day, and I understand every day here we're talking and fighting about elections, we're fighting about politics, we're fighting about the economy, global capital markets, geopolitics. | ||
| Yes, that is the work of day issues that we have to address. | ||
| But underneath that, underneath that is a direction that the world is heading. | ||
| The world of capital, the world of governments, the world of major corporations, the world of some of our top scientists in the world. | ||
| And it is a world that is quite scary. | ||
| And unless somebody actually says, let's sit down and discuss exactly where this is headed. | ||
| It is not going to be the sunlit uplands, trust me. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| Justin Lane from Oxford. | ||
| Joe Allen, our editor of all things transhumanism, when we return in the war room. | ||
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| It is on fire, particularly over the weekend. | ||
| Before I get back to Dr. Justin Lane at Oxford, I got a breaking news. | ||
| Congressman Stephanie Murphy, who's on the January 6th committee, but one of the big voices of moderation in the Democratic Party, just announced she ain't going to seek re-election. | ||
| 100 seats, 100 years. | ||
| You see all the rats leaving the ship at the same time. | ||
| She is a power player. | ||
| She's on the she's on the January 6th committee and many other things. | ||
| Just announced she's not standing for re-election in Congress. | ||
| We'll have more about that tomorrow when I go back. | ||
| So, Dr. Lane, how do we understand religion through artificial intelligence, sir? | ||
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So I think the biggest thing to keep in mind is that religion is a uniquely human phenomenon. | |
| All human cultures have had it, as long as we've had history. | ||
| Let's go ahead and take it down a reboot. | ||
| We're losing Dr. Lane, so let's go ahead and try to reboot that. | ||
| Can you let me know when he's back up? | ||
| Joe Allen, real quickly, until we get Dr. Lane, we also got Captain Bannon at AmFest, we're going to go to her. | ||
| Joe, real quickly, how does religion, if we don't get him back up, because it may be tough, because he's overseas, how do we understand religion through artificial intelligence, Joe? | ||
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Yeah, so I'm very uncomfortable speaking for Dr. Lane just because he's... Okay, so right now we have a technical problem. | |
| We're going to try to get both of them back up. | ||
| Do we have Captain Bannon? | ||
| Can we go to... Let's try Arizona at AmFest. | ||
| We're going to try to get our two professors back up. | ||
| Captain Bannon, what's happening at AmFest? | ||
| So the crowd is getting ready to go into the general session this morning. | ||
| Okay, hang on. | ||
| We have a technical problem across the board. | ||
| We're having a tough time getting it here to the War Room. | ||
| That's okay. | ||
| Let me just give a thing. | ||
| I tell you what, we'll just try to get everybody up. | ||
| I don't want to try to jam it in here. | ||
| Big day today, and here's what happened over the weekend. | ||
| Over the weekend, you saw the Biden administration, you saw all these lies and misrepresentations start to implode. | ||
| Started to implode. | ||
| There's not going to be any build back better. | ||
| They're at each other's throats. | ||
| The economy's in the tank. | ||
| You've got a raging, right now, inflation. | ||
| In fact, I was working with Steve Cortez over the weekend. | ||
| If you take the real inflation rate, Which is about 13%. | ||
| If you go back to the old way it was calculated. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| If you take the real unemployment rate, because remember, one of the reasons the unemployment numbers are so low, people over 50, 55 are either taking early retirement or people lower down the pay scale are just right now saying, are just right now saying, that's okay guys, we're just going to take this to the conclusion. | ||
| We're not going to put anybody back in. | ||
| If you, if you take the real unemployment of people over 50, You add them together, you've got a misery index that is inflation is at 13. | ||
| The real unemployment is about 6 to 8. | ||
| You're almost at 20 percent. | ||
| This is the Biden, this is the Biden misery index. | ||
| This is why it's imploding all over. | ||
| We just had Stephanie Murphy, the congressman from Florida. | ||
| You see her on TV all the time. | ||
| She's supposed to be a voice of moderation. | ||
| I think she's on the January 6th committee too. | ||
| She's just announced she ain't running for Congress. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| 100 seats, 100 years. | ||
| They understand we're going to have a sweeping, sweeping, massive victory. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Massive victory, and that's why they're all out. | ||
| In addition, they're going to not just double down, they're going to triple down on Omicron. | ||
| Okay, I argue and I think, and I do this from looking at epidemiologists and vaccinologists and people that are experts in pandemic, this is what can take you through to herd immunity because it's highly contagious but it's not particularly lethal. | ||
| So you're going to get to herd, when you look at the math coming out of Africa and you look at the math I think even coming out of the United Kingdom so far, what you're going to have is they're not going to have any excuse now about natural immunity and herd immunity. | ||
| But, here's what they're going to do. | ||
| And you can see how phony and corrupt they are, because how they've gone after the Great Barrington Declaration. | ||
| By the way, do we have Captain Bannon up? | ||
| Can we get her? | ||
| Captain Bannon, you've got about two minutes. | ||
| Hit me with what's going on in AmFest. | ||
| The crowd is super excited today. | ||
| We have a lot of great speakers to include. | ||
| Someone that has been on the War Room quite often, Jack Posobiec. | ||
| So the crowd is super pumped to hear him speak today. | ||
| We have some great interviews from out here and a lot of people, just a lot of patriots and then some people that didn't realize what this movement was about that came down here to check it out and have had their eyes completely opened to what a great movement this is. | ||
| By the way, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Congressman Greene, they're all over her because yesterday she says there's brown people, there's Hispanic people, there's black people, there's yellow people. | ||
| She's saying, hey, there's Asians, Hispanics, African Americans, they're all there. | ||
| And she says, hey, I thought there was supposed to be the white supremacist party. | ||
| What's been the feedback on her speech from yesterday? | ||
| People love it. | ||
| She got the crowd extremely motivated. | ||
| She's a great speaker and I've heard so many great things from her speech. | ||
| Okay, it's at five o'clock today. | ||
| We're going to be live at AmFest. | ||
| AmFest, Charlie Kirk and the great team out there at Turning Point USA putting this thing on. | ||
| You got high school kids, you got college kids, you have younger individuals, right? | ||
| Millennials, people are all there. | ||
| Gen Z, everybody's there. | ||
| We got Captain Bannon, Jack Pasovic, Boris Epstein, and all kind of special guests. | ||
| Five o'clock, they're going to be letting it rip from AmFest. | ||
| Okay, let me go back. | ||
| Hit the reset button. | ||
| The illegitimate Biden regime is in total, complete meltdown. | ||
| But, they're going to triple down. | ||
| They're going to triple down with lockdowns. | ||
| They're going to triple down with mandates. | ||
| They're going to triple down with... They're coming for the unvaccinated. | ||
| Double and tripling down. | ||
| They're going to say it's the winner of our discontent. | ||
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no. | |
| We're loving this. | ||
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Okay? | |
| We're loving this because you're imploding and we're ascendant. | ||
| See you at five o'clock today. | ||
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back in the world. | |
| I'm going to be a good boy. | ||
| Life he lays his glory by, for that man no more may die. |
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