Oct. 8, 2021 - Bannon's War Room
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Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world. | |
| You don't want to frighten the American public. | ||
| France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans. | ||
| But you need to prepare for and assume. | ||
| Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China. | ||
| That this is going to be a real serious problem. | ||
| France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on. | ||
| Health officials are investigating more than a hundred possible cases in the US. | ||
| Germany, a man has contracted the virus. | ||
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus. | ||
| Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500. | ||
| We have to prepare for the worst, always, because if you don't and the worst happens, Okay, welcome back. | ||
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| We're going to make a big deal about this next week as we get closer. | ||
| It's Friday, 8 October, Year of Our Lord 2021, coming on the anniversary. | ||
| The second anniversary will be at the end of this month, towards the end of this month. | ||
| A lot to go about. | ||
| We're going to be doing a live event next week. | ||
| I'm actually speaking at AmFest. | ||
| Here at one o'clock, we're going to make sure that everybody can get the live feed there. | ||
| Jason Miller's down there. | ||
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| A whole cast of characters. | ||
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| The entire War Room posse cast is all down there. | ||
| So they're going to be speaking throughout the day, too. | ||
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| We're talking a lot about the practicality. | ||
| Remember, we try to get information to this audience, which is such an activist audience, that we can pull the camera back and you think about, you know, nomenclature, constructs, kind of the statics and dynamics of process, critical path. | ||
| But then, you know, we Oftentimes have to get into kind of the nitty-gritty of the application. | ||
| That's what we've been spending so much time about these debt ceilings and all that. | ||
| You've made a huge, huge impact, massive impact. | ||
| That's why Mitch McConnell couldn't get the vote yesterday. | ||
| First time he's ever had that problem because of this audience. | ||
| You blew these guys up. | ||
| You blew them up over the last week and they were scared to death, scared to death to cross you. | ||
| OK, that's power. | ||
| Remember this, you put yourself in the room. | ||
| You put yourself in the room. | ||
| President Trump gave you a voice and put you in the room at 16, but now you've put yourself in the room and they hate that. | ||
| That's why all these articles come out. | ||
| Bannon's got these guys at the precinct committee. | ||
| This is, by the way, you need to go and sign up to a precinct committee more than ever. | ||
| When you send one of those emails, when you make those calls and you're a precinct committeeman, you've got much more weight than you're just an angry citizen. | ||
| That's just the reality of it. | ||
| It doesn't cost you any money. | ||
| It's going to cost you time and focus, but that's what you have to do, right? | ||
| Also become an election official, precinct committeeman, election official, school board. | ||
| We're going to have Chris Russo next, but I want to bring back in Gad Saad, who wrote this incredible book, Parasitic Mind. | ||
| I think the paperback copy is out now, but we've had him on a couple of months ago. | ||
| Because he kind of walks through all this madness, and we see these policies that don't make any sense, and they look insane. | ||
| He's actually got a theory of the case that's quite powerful. | ||
| Gad, thank you very much for joining us. | ||
| Walk us through the parasitic mind. | ||
| Thanks for having me, Steve, and congratulations on 100 million downloads. | ||
| Wow, I'm envious! | ||
| So basically in the parasitic mind, what I argue is that in the same way that animals can be parasitized by actual brain worms. | ||
| So take for example, a mouse can be parasitized by a brain worm called Toxoplasma gondii, which makes it no longer afraid of cats. | ||
| It actually becomes sexually attracted to the cat's urine. | ||
| Hence it behaves maladaptively. | ||
| Well, I argue that human beings can also suffer from these brain worms, and I call them idea pathogens. | ||
| These are dreadful, irrational, parasitic ideas that just like the mouse that runs towards the cat because it is sexually attracted to its urine, we run to the abyss of infinite lunacy because we lose our ability to actually engage in decisions that are optimal for our survival. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Has this happened, is this a modern phenomenon, is this post-modern phenomenon, or has this happened throughout history? | ||
| When you talk about the Parasigmatic, because it seems like the ideas, and if you study history, there have been some crazy ideas in the past, but it seems like the ideas, particularly when there's so much access to information, to data, to evidence, That so much of the ideas and actions of the progressive left and kind of the globalists are so detached from reality. | ||
| Does this have a historical context or something that just happened in the modern age? | ||
| Look, the capacity for humans to engage in disordered thinking has always existed. | ||
| What is unique about the current instantiation of insane decision-making Is that the idea pathogens that I speak about in the book, postmodernism, cultural relativism, social constructivism, identity politics, they were all spawned in the last 40, 50 years in the university settings. | ||
| And just like the, the COVID virus that breaks out of the lab, as far as we know, well, these, these dreadful ideas begin within the university ecosystem, but eventually they break out of the esoteric departments in the humanities and the social sciences. | ||
| And they begin to infect every nook and cranny of society. | ||
| So they're in our military, they're in our journalism programs, they're in Hollywood, they're in our HR departments. | ||
| So now the infestation is full throttle. | ||
| And until people decide that they've had enough, it's only going to get worse. | ||
| Our universities, that's where I want to go back, the universities were, you know, places like where Newton was that gave us the scientific revolution, that gave us the enlightenment, the great universities in Germany and in Europe, you know, it gave us so much that took mankind to the next level. | ||
| right, helped with the ideas that underpinned so much of our freedom, so much of our material success. | ||
| How did the shift, what happened in the universities that then became incubators for what you call idea pathogens, which I love? | ||
| What happened to those university settings to be something that drove so much that was good in mankind and humanity to something that is quite simply parasitic? | ||
| I think there was a proliferation of disciplines that were perfectly decoupled from the feedback coming from reality, right? | ||
| So for example, I am housed in a business school. | ||
| In the business school, you don't have too many postmodernists because you can't build a mathematical model of consumer choice using postmodernist mathematics. | ||
| Similarly, in an engineering school, you can't build a bridge using postmodernist physics because the bridge will collapse. | ||
| So, in some disciplines, there is a natural inoculation against these idiotic parasitic ideas because they are coupled to reality. | ||
| Regrettably, some of the disciplines like, you know, postmodernism and women's studies and so on, actually wear a badge of honor that they are fully decoupled from reality. | ||
| Therefore, the professors in those disciplines can espouse all sorts of nonsense, can pontificate about all sorts of idiocy, Without ever being slapped by the auto-corrective nature of reality and therefore it becomes an orgiastic fest of nonsense. | ||
| So look, this is not my line of country, but I think we're going to have Chris Rufo on, the guy that's one of the leaders in kind of breaking down critical race theory. | ||
| And so you've had critical race theory in a lot of this postmodern. | ||
| One of the things I get when I talk to people the most, it kind of shocks them because it's like so different from what evidence shows you or what your eyes show you is this whole issue about gender identification. | ||
| Can you walk through, is that the most radical of them all? | ||
| Did that come from this kind of detachment from, I mean, how did that kind of incubate? | ||
| Because I think that's the one that has people most shocked about how to even start to think about it. | ||
| Dr. Shah Well, I think the most dangerous of all idea pathogens that I cover in the parasitic mind is postmodernism because it espouses that there are no objective truths. | ||
| We are fully shackled by subjectivity. | ||
| We are fully shackled by our personal biases and therefore to speak of an objective truth is nonsense according to postmodernists. | ||
| Now you can imagine how intellectually terroristic that is because scientists do wake up every day thinking that there is a truth to be discovered. | ||
| We have provisional truths, right? | ||
| What was true 300 years ago may no longer be true today, but we do wake up every day under the working premise that there is a truth. | ||
| So imagine if you now have the liberating framework, in quotes, of postmodernism. | ||
| Anything is possible. | ||
| I am not shackled by my genitalia. | ||
| I just need to put the trans prefix and I can be anything that I want. | ||
| I could put the trans before racial. | ||
| And I can become an elderly Korean lady, right? | ||
| So there is something liberating about these idea pathogens in that, again, you are not shackled by common sense and reality. | ||
| Now, I don't mean to imply, by the way, that gender dysphoria doesn't exist. | ||
| So we should treat all people with respect and with dignity. | ||
| That doesn't mean, though, that I have to go out of my way to celebrate your unique personhood. | ||
| Live and let live. | ||
| I want to go back to postmodernism, because a lot of this they tie back, or at least they try to tie back, to the theory of relativity and to Albert Einstein's great work. | ||
| But Einstein would not agree with the postmodern. | ||
| I mean, even at the School of Advanced Studies. | ||
| So don't a lot of these guys go back to, oh, the theory of relativity made it all relative, and that's what they kind of base this on? | ||
| But the actual physicists that came up with that were at the opposite end of the spectrum. | ||
| They didn't believe any of this? | ||
| Well, a postmodernist is not the first time that they succumb to the allure of physics because in 1996, Alan Sokal, who is a physicist, wrote a bogus article where he argued that gravity is a social construction. | ||
| He submitted it to a postmodernist highbrow academic journal and it was accepted. | ||
| And of course, then he said, oops, I have a confession to tell you. | ||
| It was a complete gibberish article. | ||
| So there's always the allure when you get the imprimatur of physics saying, hey, you're on the right track. | ||
| But of course, there is absolutely nothing that is related between gender dysphoria and quantum physics. | ||
| It's just someone trying to usurp. | ||
| Some scientific imprimatur to celebrate their unique personhood. | ||
| Again, people should live free of bigotry. | ||
| That doesn't mean that transgenderism is related to quantum physics. | ||
| So Ged, what I want Denver to do is put the book back up. | ||
| This is the paperback edition, right? | ||
| Because we had the hardback edition first when we had you on here. | ||
| I need everybody to get this book. | ||
| This gives you the tools to understand it, but also to be able to help people that you're close to to understand. | ||
| The background and the substrate of why these ideas are so crazy. | ||
| But for our audience, we're going to have Chris Rufo on next about moms that are now going the CRT thing. | ||
| What would you recommend to the audience? | ||
| In addition to reading your book, what should they do to start to bring rationality back into the argument? | ||
| To start to argue for the values of the Judeo-Christian West that have really been the substrate of us for thousands and thousands of years. | ||
| What's your recommendation to the audience? | ||
| So it's a battle cry. | ||
| It's basically telling them that they should activate their inner honey badger. | ||
| The honey badger is a small animal the size of a dog that is so fierce that it can withstand an attack from six adult lions. | ||
| Well, you need to be that fierce when you're defending your principles. | ||
| Don't diffuse the responsibility on others. | ||
| Don't count on Gadsad and Steve Bannon and Chris Rufo to fight the fight for you. | ||
| You all have a voice. | ||
| If we all speak up in unison, we'll get rid of this problem by next Tuesday. | ||
| So speak out. | ||
| Do you see how the establishment, particularly the intellectual establishment, is freaking out because the average American and average people throughout the world in Europe and other places are starting to say, hey, I don't think this is right intellectually? | ||
| Have you noticed the fear that the establishment has? | ||
| I do, of course. | ||
| I mean, the old adage of an animal is most dangerous when it is wounded, right, Pete? | ||
| The highbrow intelligentsia are now realizing that the common person is waking up to this nonsense. | ||
| That's the whole point in terms of the Parental activism related to CRT. | ||
| That's why Joe Biden now refers to them as domestic terrorists, right? | ||
| Because we don't want the great unwashed, the rubes, to actually be espousing a position. | ||
| Shut up and obey. | ||
| So, of course, I see that people are waking up. | ||
| And once everybody does wake up, I assure you, Steve, the problem will be resolved very quickly. | ||
| So be optimistic. | ||
| We can turn this ship around. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| We're the vast majority of this. | ||
| People with common sense and understand education in the Judeo-Christian West. | ||
| Gad, how did they get to the book and how do they follow you on social media? | ||
| How did they get to your website? | ||
| So my website is gadsad.com. | ||
| The book is available everywhere on Amazon. | ||
| They can go to Regnery, to my publisher to get it. | ||
| I'm on Twitter at Gad S-A-A-D. | ||
| And I also host a show called The Sad S-A-A-D Truth. | ||
| Check it out. | ||
| When is the when is the sad truth? | ||
| Is that on YouTube? | ||
| How do people get to it? | ||
| It's on YouTube. | ||
| And I also what I do is I first upload it on YouTube, and then I upload it on my podcast. | ||
| It's called the sad truth on YouTube. | ||
| And it's called the sad truth with Dr. Sad on my podcast. | ||
| So hopefully people watch it. | ||
| I usually have long format chats in the order of 60 to 75 minutes with all sorts of really interesting people. | ||
| And I hope that one day you will come on my show, Steve. | ||
| I'd be greatly honored. | ||
| Gad Saad, Parasitic Mind, thank you sir. | ||
| Thank you, cheers, take care. | ||
| This hour today we really constructed, I really want to thank the team in Denver and my production team in doing this. | ||
| We had Gad Saad first, the Parasitic Mind, next we're going to have Rufo about critical race theory, particularly domestic terrorists. | ||
| We've got very special, at the bottom of the hour, Bishop Snyder, one of the great voices for traditionalism in the world and traditionalism in the Catholic Church. | ||
| And Anaisius Schneider at the bottom of the hour. | ||
| Chris Ruffo's next. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
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| We just had... | ||
| Gayat Saad here about the parasitic mind. | ||
| That's the theory. | ||
| Now we're going to talk about the application. | ||
| Chris Rufo has done more than any individual in America to actually put forward what's happening about critical race theory. | ||
| Of course, Joanne Reed and everybody at MSNBC, Chris Rufo's a racist. | ||
| Chris Rufo's this. | ||
| Chris Rufo's misinterpreted. | ||
| This is not critical race theory. | ||
| This is just some esoteric concept from Professor Derek Bell at Harvard Law School. | ||
| And Rufo and these guys have blown it way out of proportion. | ||
| And now today what they've got the mothers of America are so upset that they're not going to have this poison put in the minds of their children. | ||
| They're at the school board meetings also with vaccines and mass mandates but particularly critical race theory and saying it's not going to happen on our watch. | ||
| It will not happen. | ||
| The Justice Department is notifying the FBI because of some bogus association that these are domestic terrorists and now today's New York Post Chris Ruffo throws down. | ||
| Chris Ruffo, thank you for joining us in the War Room. | ||
| Walk us through exactly what's happening here about this critical race theory and the calling of the Mothers of America domestic terrorists. | ||
| This is a true grassroots revolt against critical race theory in K-12 schools. | ||
| We've now seen thousands of school districts really feeling the heat. | ||
| what's happening is that the teachers union and the National School Boards Association, so those permanent bureaucratic authorities that think that they own your kids education, they look at the public coffers as their private piggy bank, are feeling the heat because they shut down schools, they have incoherent mask mandate policies, and they've been caught by me and by others peddling critical race theory, which is teaching children as young as three and four years old that they're inherently racist and oppressive. | ||
| So they asked their friends in in the Biden administration. | ||
| They sent a letter and within just a few days, the Biden administration's attorney general said, we're going to now investigate these parents who are peacefully protesting, who sometimes the rhetoric gets heated, but they're now going to be considered domestic terrorists. | ||
| The National School Board Association asked to prosecute these parents under the Patriot Act as domestic terrorists. | ||
| And this really came as a shock to many of us. | ||
| Because we know that they're losing the argument on Critical Race Theory. | ||
| The polling data is very clear. | ||
| They're underwater by somewhere between 20 and 40 points, depending on where you're polling. | ||
| So now they're going to heavy-handed tactics. | ||
| They're doing this not only to go after parents, but really To suppress dissent and criminalize people for participating in their democracy. | ||
| It's dangerous, it's reckless, and luckily the people are not backing down. | ||
| We had parents in Virginia yesterday standing on street corners with signs that said moms versus the FBI. | ||
| We are not backing down. | ||
| We're going to go full force because we care about what's happening to our kids and we care about what's happening to our public institutions. | ||
| Real quickly, I want to go back to Joyanne Reed and the people on MSNBC. | ||
| Right when you started getting traction on this, and they can see Paul, and they said, no, no, no, no, no, no, I think you came on Joyanne Reed's show. | ||
| No, Chris Ruffo's wrong. | ||
| He's a racist. | ||
| He's taking this thing and blowing it out of proportion. | ||
| This is really just a tiny esoteric argument made by Derrick Bell and these guys at Harvard Law School. | ||
| Can you respond to that, Chris Ruffo? | ||
| Yeah, that was the argument over the summer. | ||
| I mean, they really thought that critical race theory was as difficult to find as the Loch Ness Monster and the Bigfoot, and that was their argument. | ||
| But what this is is a linguistic shell game. | ||
| They're trying to change the definition of words, split hairs, create these false subtleties in order to run out the clock. | ||
| But unfortunately, what I did was I found the facts. | ||
| I reported in dozens of school districts and public agencies Who leaked to me public documents, records, PDFs, audio recordings, video recordings that showed very clearly. | ||
| Critical race theory is now the dominant ideology in many of our public institutions, including many of our K-12 school districts in dozens of our big cities. | ||
| So I had the evidence. | ||
| I had the receipts. | ||
| I had the documents. | ||
| It was incontrovertible. | ||
| And so you saw over the summer that that argument started to lose steam. | ||
| The polling numbers started to shift. | ||
| And we really just kept pummeling them, because you can debate these issues, but when I throw the documents on screen, when I do the reporting, when I show people exactly what's happening, like forcing children to deconstruct their racial and sexual identities and categorizing them as oppressors and oppressed, Parents know instinctively. | ||
| They're not interested in linguistic word games. | ||
| They're not interested in this hair splitting. | ||
| They know at their gut level that what's happening in the public schools is wrong. | ||
| It's morally a transgression against kids. | ||
| It's a violation of their conscience and the basic rights. | ||
| And parents are now up in arms. | ||
| We see them everywhere. | ||
| And I think that this is one of the greatest grassroots rebellions of our time. | ||
| And we've seen over and over the Reagan revolution, the Gingrich revolution. | ||
| Anytime that you have a real sea change that goes towards the conservative movement, it's always initially seen in these grassroots moments. | ||
| It's always initially seen at these local institutions like school boards. | ||
| We are poised for a tsunami because the radical left has overstepped itself. | ||
| They've now targeted our kids, they've now classified our parents as domestic terrorists, and we're not going to back down. | ||
| Okay, being it's, well we've got a couple minutes left, but being it's a dominant ideology, being they've now weaponized the Justice Department, tell us what are the tactics and what's the future of this movement, Chris Rufo, since you're one of the intellectual leaders of it? | ||
| Yeah, the key tactic is to keep up the pressure. | ||
| And I think one of the great advantages of the anti-critical race theory movement is that the domain itself is very favorable. | ||
| You have parents who are coming off of work, they're professionally dressed, they're often very articulate, and they're participating in the process. | ||
| This isn't a protest or a riot or violence, which is why I think the Biden administration's characterization will not and cannot stick. | ||
| But I think the key strategic imperative that we have right now is to develop a sophisticated language of subversion that is sophisticated enough to actually gain territory to fight back these ideas and win the battle on their own territory within their own domains and really laying siege to their own institutions. | ||
| I've compiled some language. | ||
| We've seen it now being used by some of the great political leaders in the Republican Party. | ||
| It's available in my Critical Race Theory briefing book for free to everyone. | ||
| Because what we need, these are issues of race and identity. | ||
| They're very sensitive. | ||
| You want to be careful in the language you use. | ||
| You want to make sure that you're going with a sense of propriety, that you're protesting peacefully, with dignity. | ||
| You want to make sure the images that people see on TV are of thoughtful, concerned, articulate parents. | ||
| And once we arm these parents with that vocabulary and we unleash them across the country to really stand up for their kids, to stand up for their rights, to stand up for their Fundamental duty to protect the conscience of the young children of our country. | ||
| There is nothing that can stop us. | ||
| They're going to call us racist and white supremacist and domestic terrorists. | ||
| And it's going to just slide right off our backs because it can't stick, because it's not the truth. | ||
| We have the truth. | ||
| We have the moral high ground. | ||
| We have the evidence. | ||
| We have the documentation. | ||
| And most importantly, the American people are showing proof of life. | ||
| We got about 30 seconds. | ||
| How do people get to your site? | ||
| How do they follow you on social media? | ||
| not the permanent bureaucratic class that sits in these sinecures and school board departments and equity departments. The American people are the ultimate authority. That's how it works in a constitutional republic. Our voice will be heard. We got about 30 seconds. How do people get to your site? How do they follow you on social media? How do they get to your writings? | ||
| Follow me on Twitter at Real Chris Ruffo and you can visit my website to get all of my writings, the critical race theory briefing book, and if you're so inclined to support my work at ChristopherRuffo.com. | ||
| That's ChristopherRUFO.com. | ||
| You're a great hero and a great patriot. | ||
| You've done so much for this country, and it will be remembered. | ||
| Chris Rufo, thank you for joining us today. | ||
| Let's get the New York Post everywhere. | ||
| The New York Post editorial. | ||
| Thank you, sir, for joining us. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Honored to be in the presence of guys like that that have really changed the arc of history in this country, just like this audience. | ||
| Okay, short commercial break. | ||
| You're about to meet another individual, Bishop Schneider, one of the great traditionalists everywhere, one of the great traditionalists just about culture and society, but particularly in the Catholic Church, the leader of the traditionalist movement and the Catholic Church in the war room. | ||
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| Welcome back. | ||
| We're now very honored to have joining us one of the most, one of the leaders of the Catholic Church and particularly the traditional wing of Catholicism, Bishop Athanasius Snyder. | ||
| Bishop, thank you very much for joining us. | ||
| You have a new book out from Sophia Press on the Catholic mask. | ||
| You're known as one of the leaders Globally, of the traditional teachings of the Church, and particularly about the teachings of the sacraments, and precisely the Mass. | ||
| What inspired you to write this book, and can you tell us something about the book? | ||
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Well, the theme about the Holy Mass, we have to, again, to be aware of what is the Holy Mass. | |
| The Holy Mass is the most important act of life of the entire Church. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because the Holy Mass is the mystical, sacramental presence, real presence, of the act of our salvation, of the entire humanity, the sacrifice of the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ. | ||
| And so therefore we cannot enough speak about this central act of the life of the Church, which is not Her act in the first place, but it is the redeeming act of the God-Man of Jesus Christ, the Redeemer of humankind. | ||
| This is His act, but He lets participate the Church in His redeeming act, in through the sacrament of the Holy Mass. | ||
| And therefore, this is the fountain, the ever-living fountain of graces of life of the Church. | ||
| This is the sun, which is shining here on earth, the true sun. | ||
| And therefore, we have to state again what is the Mass, the meaning of the Mass, and all the details of the Mass are oriented towards Christ and his sacrificial act of redemption. | ||
| You know, when I was younger, the church had the Vatican Council. | ||
| I was an altar boy. | ||
| Right before then, they had the Vatican Council. | ||
| It changed dramatically, the Mass. | ||
| And then later, a few years, about 10 years later, they started to allow the traditional Mass in my diocese. | ||
| So my parents started to go to a traditional Tridentine church that had the traditional Mass. | ||
| Why is it, if your belief, the centrality of the traditional right, is so important, and so important for mankind, not just the Church, why did they actually have a council called by the Pope back in the late 50s, early 60s, that came up and radically changed that into this kind of new right mass. | ||
| It was so fundamental and had been there for thousands of years, two millennia, or almost two millennia. | ||
| Why was it changed? | ||
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Well, first we have to distinguish from one side what really the Council Fathers intended and wanted to do in regarding the reform of the liturgy. | |
| When we carefully read The text of the document of the Vatican Council, Sacro Sanctum Concilium, there is a very careful approach, not so drastic or revolutionary as it came after. | ||
| And so the true form of the Mass of Vatican II was actually the form of 65. | ||
| So in 65, in January, Paul VI published a new Order of Mass, and the Council Fathers, in the last session, in the fall of 1965, celebrated this form. | ||
| And actually, this 1965 form of the Reformed Mass was substantially the same as the previous, the century-millennium-long Old Rite of the Mass. | ||
| They were introduced only small changes, not substantial, and given more place to the vernacular language. | ||
| In this consisted the Sixty-Five Reform, and it was considered very organic, and even Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre celebrated this Sixty-Five for Mass, and even in his seminary in Acon, In the first years, we celebrated this 65th Mass, which was the true Vatican II Mass. | ||
| But after, at the Council, the committee, the Vatican, under the leadership of Monsignor Bugnini, they made a true revolution, a completely drastic one, which we have now, unfortunately. | ||
| And this is the tragedy. | ||
| And therefore we have to go back and restore and spread the form of the Holy Mass of all ages, because we have documents and manuscripts which show that the traditional Mass was not the Tridentine Mass, no. | ||
| It was the same Mass before the Council of Trent. | ||
| It was not changed after the Council of Trent. | ||
| We have documents from the beginning of the second millennium, stands 11th century, where we have the Order of Mass the same as it was after the Council of Trent, the same as the traditional Latin Mass. | ||
| They were made only small changes in the calendar or rubrics and so on. | ||
| And therefore the Church in 2000 years never made in the liturgy drastic or revolutionary changes. | ||
| It was for the first time in 1969, 1970, when Paul VI published this new, really revolutionary, Order of Mass. | ||
| And this is against the nature of the Church. | ||
| The Church has to transmit carefully her faith and her manner of prayer. | ||
| The traditional form of Mass expresses more fully and perfectly the substance of the Mass, which is the sacrifice of the Cross and the most sublime act of worship and adoration of the Church here on Earth, of the Heavenly Church, of the entire creation. | ||
| Holy Mass is a first in the The sacrifice on the cross was firstly the most sublime act of adoration, of worship, which Christ, the God-Man, gave to the Holy Trinity in the name of the entire humanity and the entire creation. | ||
| And therefore the traditional mass stresses very much the aspect of adoration, of the sacrifice. | ||
| All these aspects of our reverence, and this is all an expression of love, not of servile service, but of loving service of the children of God together with the angels and the saints. | ||
| If it didn't come out of the council and you said it happened in 69 or 70 with Pope Paul VI, how did they change it? | ||
| It's such a revolutionary change. | ||
| How did that just all of a sudden happen? | ||
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Yes, it happened because of an ideology. | |
| Those who reformed in this committee under the leadership of Monsignor Bugnini and others, they wanted to approach the Catholic meaning, teaching and prayer, more to the Protestant meaning. | ||
| So to stress more the banquet, the meal, But this is a secondary aspect. | ||
| The centrality is the sacrifice on the cross. | ||
| Christ did not redeem us with a meal, with the Last Supper. | ||
| He redeemed us with his sacrifice on the cross. | ||
| And so there was this tendency in the New Mass to make it more like a meal style. | ||
| as the Protestants believe and do, and also to make the Mass more informal. | ||
| So, the entire style of the new Mass has so many moments of informality, so many gaps, where the celebrant can do something, improvisation, and even present himself. | ||
| So it is very dangerous. | ||
| The New Mass has in itself the tendency to do performance and to be anthropocentric. | ||
| And this is very harmful for the faith, for the devotion and for the prayer. | ||
| Is one of the hopes of your new book, and obviously you talking and being interviewed of this, is to get people to, particularly Catholics, to focus more on their traditional mass and start attending their traditional mass? | ||
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Yes, my new book has the subtitle, Steps to Reestablish the Centrality of God in the This is our problem today, and this is the deepest cause of the crisis of the church in our day, that we banished God from the center. | |
| In the church life, in the prayer life, in the liturgy, man became the center. | ||
| This is the problem. | ||
| And God was put on the side. | ||
| And we have to establish on all levels of the church life the centrality, concrete centrality of Christ in the church life, and especially in the liturgy. | ||
| And therefore, I wanted to show in this new book the richness of the Holy Mass, the unspeakable richness. | ||
| of this act of our salvation, which is celebrated ritually, in which the Holy Ghost, through the centuries and millennia, was developing in the Church through the saints of all ages. | ||
| And because the Church kept this form of the liturgy very carefully, and therefore we have to be happy that this form is again restored by Pope Benedict, and | ||
| Notwithstanding the limitations and restrictions which Pope Francis now gave recently, with his new Motu Proprio Traditiones Custodes, nevertheless, this form of the Mass, because this form is the form of all ages, and the Saints will continue, and will live, especially, and attract | ||
| And so the intention of my book was to demonstrate, to present, the unspeakable richnesses of the Holy Mass. | ||
| Okay, welcome back to A War Room Pandemic. | ||
| Our guest is Bishop Athanasius Snyder. | ||
| He's got a new book out about the traditional Catholic Mass. | ||
| It is by Sophia Press. | ||
| Bishop, here's the question, and I think particularly our audience has obviously a global audience with a lot of Catholics, but we also have many, many non-Catholics. | ||
| I think, if you can help us with the confusion, you make the argument about the centrality of the traditional mass, and not just Catholicism, but really for mankind. | ||
| Yet, people read, and maybe we misunderstand what we're reading, but it appears that the Pope in the Vatican has gone out of its way to try to restrict access of people to both the saying and the participation of the traditional mass. | ||
| Can you explain it? | ||
| Are we misinterpreting that? | ||
| Or it looks like a contradiction between what you're putting forward and what the Vatican and the Pope are actually decreeing. | ||
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Well, I think that these measures which Pope Francis did in limiting the access for the celebration of the traditional Latin Mass, it is revealing only the main mentality and orientation, ideological orientation of his pontificate, which is obviously for all | |
| It is a man-centered spirit and mentality and actions, which the Pope is demonstrating, centered on earthly things, primarily on earthly realities. | ||
| As we know, climate change, the care of Mother Earth, so it is a materialistic view, only a very limited Temporal care. | ||
| But this is not the mission of the Church. | ||
| Christ came to save us from our sins, to redeem us with his precious blood, to redeem us from eternal damnation, to make us children of God, to open us the gates of heaven for eternal life, to give us eternal life. | ||
| And this is the mission of the Church. | ||
| Unfortunately, in the decades after the Council, and now we have the culmination with the pontificate of Pope Francis, it was an excessive stress on earthly realities, on man, in some way forgetting the true mission of the Church, which is eternity, which is the life of God, of grace, | ||
| of salvation of souls, not in first time salvation of the body, or of Mother Earth. | ||
| This is not the first. | ||
| And so in this context, which we are now witnessing, the pontificate of Pope Francis, such a liturgy, which is the traditional form of the Mass, which is so expressively theocentric, centered on God, which is so expressively centred on the eternity, on eternal life, on adoration. | ||
| Such a liturgy is in some way, for this earthly-centred mentality of the pontificate of Pope Francis, such a liturgy is a kind of an obstacle for them, or a kind of continuous reproach for their conscience that they have to return to give primacy to the Eternity, to the Salvation of the Souls. | ||
| And maybe this Mass was being a continuous reproach, was for them an obstacle. | ||
| Or maybe Pope Francis and his counsellors feel this form is hindering them in their agenda. | ||
| Or, also another reason was that this, since Pope Benedict freed very generously the celebration of this Mass in 2007, since then, it was spread, really, in an astonishing way, and especially attracting young people | ||
| And converts, because of this inherent beauty of the traditional form of the liturgy, of this heavenly character, which is attracting people who have thirst for God, thirsting eternity. | ||
| And so, I think that they were maybe scared, they were afraid in Rome, Pope Francis and his counselors, that this mess is spreading. | ||
| And so, in some way, contradicting the main agenda of Merck-earthly-centered realities. | ||
| This is, to my opinion, could be some reasons. | ||
| Bishop, we only have a few minutes left, but do you hope, by putting this book out now about the Mass, and particularly doing a tour of the United States and talking about it, do you hope to attract even more young people that are in the Church, or maybe people that are not in the Church, to start to come and to participate in a traditional Catholic Mass liturgy? | ||
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Yes, we already could state this after this motu proprio with these limitations. | |
| In these few months, several priests said that the assistance of the traditional mass increased, and young people became in some way curious why this was a limitation. | ||
| Let us taste in some way this form. | ||
| And they came and they are coming, young people and young families, and this is a demonstration that the traditional form of the Mass, which is the Mass of all ages, this is a work of the Holy Spirit in such a long time without changing, that this is a work of the Holy Spirit. | ||
| And even a Pope cannot in this way win the work of the Holy Spirit. | ||
| I would say the traditional Mass is stronger than Pope Francis, is stronger than all limitations. | ||
| It will win, and these limitations are very short-living. | ||
| They will collapse, because the truth and the beauty of the prayer of the Church of All Ages is so powerful and so beautiful. | ||
| And this is a demonstration that the Church is in the hands of God. | ||
| Bishop, we're very honored to have you join us here in the War Room. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| We look forward to having a much deeper conversation and interview with you, but thank you very much for joining us. | ||
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