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steve bannon
Okay, it is Friday, the 10th of September, the year of our Lord 2021.
It is the evening before the eve of one of the most solemn days in American history.
That would be the 20th anniversary commemoration of the most horrific attack on American soil.
Worse than Antietam and worse than Pearl Harbor.
That would be 9-11 in the lower Manhattan.
Also in Washington DC at the Pentagon in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
I want to bring in now, we've got a packed show tonight for the next two hours.
We also have a special tomorrow morning and another special tomorrow evening.
I want to bring in now the former Police Commissioner of New York, Bernie Carrick.
Bernie, thank you for joining us from New York.
Bernie, walk our audience through, first off, what has happened today and what will basically be happening tomorrow so they can kind of get a framework for the commemoration tomorrow.
bernard kerik
Well, tomorrow morning, there'll be the ceremony at Ground Zero.
I understand the president is coming along with other dignitaries, federal, state, and local.
Mayor Giuliani and I will be there.
We're going to leave early.
We gave our information today to the Secret Service for clearance.
So we'll be down there with a number of the people that worked with us and a number of first responders.
As we, as they go through this ceremony.
steve bannon
Bernie, let me ask you before talking about the first responders and others.
Tell us, what was your September 10th like 20 years ago?
Tell us what your, you were the new police commissioner.
Tell us what your day was like.
bernard kerik
Well, I had actually been police commissioner for about a year at that point, just over a year.
And it was, it was normal, you know, putting out fires from day up to day's end, dealing with the mayor who, you know, I think we, you and I have talked about this before.
My day with Mayor Giuliani as police commissioner started at 6.05.
I got in my car every morning at 6, 6.05 this phone rang.
He wanted to know everything under the sun that happened the night before.
You know, he didn't want reports quarterly, monthly, weekly.
He wanted to know what happened yesterday.
And my last call with him normally was around midnight, somewhere between midnight and two in the morning.
Then he was back up at 530 with our six o'clock phone call, five after six.
My day on the 10th was like no other.
My day on the 11th was a gorgeous day.
I got to work early that morning.
I worked out.
I was standing in my bathroom, actually taking a shave, when my chief of staff came in and told me that a plane had just hit Tower One.
steve bannon
Since it was a crystal clear day, it was what they call Canadian High, just a beautiful, beautiful day.
As soon as you heard that, what did you think?
bernard kerik
Honestly, Steve, I thought initially it was you know, I figured somebody was flying one of these Cessnas or a helicopter perhaps flying up and down the Hudson River giving tours, maybe had a heart attack.
I anticipated looking at the buildings and seeing the tail end of a Cessna sticking out a window or something.
And I looked up at a television that was in my office up on a stand.
And I could see the damage to the building.
And I when I saw the damage, I knew that was no Cessna.
So I went into my conference room, looked out the window.
As you know, police headquarters is about a quarter of a mile from the towers, and I could see the damage to the building.
I called the mayor.
I told him I would meet him at 7 World Trade.
That was our city's emergency command center.
And I got down there within seven or eight minutes, but I couldn't get onto the block actually, because the debris was coming off of that building.
And I realized as the debris got closer, to the ground that it was human bodies.
And over the next, I don't know, two or three minutes or so, I probably watched close to two dozen people jump to their death.
And that was a couple of minutes before the mayor got there.
steve bannon
You mean already at that time of the morning, that quickly people were making that decision?
bernard kerik
Oh, yeah.
And listen, we now know that the floors they were coming out of were the impact floors up around the 95th floors.
95th floor.
You know, they had a decision to stay within this Inferno, which was ranging between probably 1,500 and 2,000 degrees or jump.
And, you know, what was odd, Steve, is for me, I had 30 years in this business and I've never been in a position ever where I felt completely helpless except for that day.
Because on that day, there was nothing you could do.
You couldn't yell up and say, stop, wait, we're coming.
We'll get you down.
We'll help.
And once they were, once they jumped, the air sort of took them away from the building.
And the problem on the ground was you couldn't tell where they were going to land.
So they were landing on Vesey.
They were landing between Tower 1 and Tower 2.
They hit the awnings on the overhang of Tower 1.
It sounded like explosions.
And that went on until the second plane slammed through the north side of Tower 2.
And I was standing as you, you know, you recall that, that fireball, that big orange fireball that blew out the north side of Tower Two.
I was standing in front of that building when that happened.
steve bannon
What was that like?
Tell our audience, what was that like when that, when that plane hit?
bernard kerik
Well, you know, it's weird.
People said, you know, how loud was the explosion?
You know, what was strange in my, what I heard first, I heard something that sounded like enormous amounts of glass breaking.
That's kind of what it sounded like.
And the explosion followed.
And I looked up.
I see this fireball.
I see all this debris.
Then come to realize that the debris is actually coming down on top of us.
And I ran behind 7 World Trade with my security staff.
But what's ironic is I didn't know.
I didn't see the plane.
I didn't see the second plane.
Because it came in from Southern Manhattan.
And as we were behind 7 World Trade, I could hear the helicopter pilots yelling that a second jetliner had just hit Tower 2.
And at that point, I knew we were under attack.
steve bannon
How did you walk through, because we know we're limited time, but you and the people you work with every day, how did you keep your composure?
How did you stay?
One of the things that I think most impressed people throughout the world is you and the mayor and others, although there were mass casualties and many people you know that they died in the line of duty, that everybody kind of kept their composure.
How did you center yourself at that moment when you realized the United States was under attack in the most horrific way possible?
bernard kerik
You know what, Steve?
We had a job to do.
You know, the best I can explain it is I had a job to do.
I knew what the job was.
It's not going to help anybody for me to lose control and you have to lead by example.
We had plans and protocols in place and policies in place to deal with just about any crisis you could imagine.
Mayor Giuliani had created the Office of Emergency Management in 1996.
And built it out.
We had done mock drills and tabletop exercises for anything you could imagine.
We never imagined somebody would fly jets into those buildings like torpedoes.
But at the end of the day, our response plans were intact.
They were phenomenal.
Looking back, they were phenomenal.
And the city did exactly what it was supposed to do with the exception of things that Nobody anticipated like I in my mind, I had to think if there's more planes, and they're on the way, what's the other targets?
So I'm, I'm yelling at my guys, close down the airspace, give me air support, you know, evacuate the Empire State Building, police headquarters, City Hall, the United Nations.
These are things that wouldn't be, you know, we're a police department, not an army, not a military.
But we just did the best we could.
steve bannon
Talk to me about Mayor Giuliani.
I think yourself too, but came very close to dying that day.
Can you walk us through that?
bernard kerik
We actually went down, you know, I actually thought of this today when I was talking to him.
We actually came close to dying twice that day.
Once we walked down to West Street.
We met with the senior executives in the fire department.
at the temporary command post, left them.
Father Judge, the chief chaplain for the fire department, was there.
As we were walking away, the fire chaplain, Father Judge, grabbed the mayor, and he turned around, and Father Judge blessed him, put the sign of his cross over his head, and he says, Go in peace, and please be safe.
God bless you.
And we walked away.
We went back to 75 Barclay Street, Where I had commandeered an office, basically, for the mayor to call the White House and speak to the president.
While we were in that office, Tower 2 imploded.
And when it imploded, we were only two blocks north of the tower.
We actually got trapped in that building.
But what was, you know, completely insane was that everybody we just left, we just left the first deputy commissioner of the fire department, Chief of Operations, the Chief of Department, Father Judge.
We had just left them 10, 15 minutes earlier.
Everybody we left perished, wouldn't tell we're too imploded.
And then the mayor and I actually got stuck inside 75 Barkley Street.
We couldn't get out.
And it took us about 20 to 25 minutes to make our way through that building and come out on Church Street.
steve bannon
After the first, we just got about three minutes here, we know you gotta go.
After the first building imploded, talk to us about what happened in your decision making between that time and trying to get people out of the other building.
bernard kerik
The response and the rescue operations were intact.
You know, every precinct, every firehouse in the city was on the scene.
My concern at that time was possible other air attacks.
Mass transit attacks.
Was there anything coming on the ground that I didn't think of or we didn't know about?
So I wanted to get the mayor out of the danger zone.
And I finally picked the New York City Police Academy, which was on 20th Street between 2nd and 3rd.
I said, you know what?
We're going to put the mayor in the police academy.
That's going to be his temporary command post.
Leave him there.
We can run the city from there.
But I don't want him near downtown because I just didn't know what was coming.
steve bannon
And what time did the second building imploded?
How much longer after the first?
bernard kerik
About an hour, right around 1030.
steve bannon
Did you realize, did you realize that the first building came down that the second building was eventually going to come down?
bernard kerik
Well, we could only assume at that point, but you know, real quick, Steve, the heroism You know, and I constantly remind people this.
First responders of New York City on that day affected the greatest rescue mission in the history of this country, taking 20 to 25,000 people out of those buildings, evacuating a million people out of Manhattan into the four boroughs in New Jersey.
But a lot of those firemen and a lot of those cops They knew the perils inherent with what they were doing.
They knew Tower 2 had already imploded, but they ran back into one to grab citizens, to grab their own staff members, their own officers.
Even when there were maydays given to get out of the building, we know now there were officers that heard those maydays and they just stayed in the course to basically do the rescues they went in there to do.
steve bannon
The greatest rescue event in American history on 9-11.
Commissioner Bernie Kerrick, thank you so much for... How can people follow you?
bernard kerik
We want to make sure particularly for tomorrow... You can follow me on Twitter, Bernard Kerrick, Instagram, Bernard Kerrick, any of the social media platforms.
steve bannon
Bernie Kerrick, thank you very much for what you did that day for the country, for your fellow citizens, for New York, and for the world.
Thank you very much.
bernard kerik
Thanks, Steve.
steve bannon
Okay, we're going to take a short break.
When we return, we've got David Zier, the intrepid correspondent for Real America's Voice, is actually down at Ground Zero.
We're going to have Don Amen, who is with the coffee company that's doing the very special brew today for the Fallen Firefighters Foundation.
We've got Frank Gaffney.
We have a packed show this afternoon, and you're going to be here for all of it.
Short commercial break.
We're going to go to Ground Zero on David Zier with Real America's Voice when we return.
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steve bannon
OK, we want to go to Ground Zero right now and to Real America's Voice intrepid reporter, David Zier.
David, 20 years ago, you know, and because you're a Long Island, New York, New York guy, you know, many of the people that were down there, you lost close friends.
Tell us about that.
david zere
Well, you know, it was a terrible day.
I lost one of my best friends, my childhood friends, I was in the Air Force Auxiliary with as a teenager.
Peter Brennan.
Rescue 4 was last seen on the 73rd floor and the buildings came down.
Rescued a lot of people from the towers.
You know, my sister-in-law lost a fiancé.
My employees lost their fathers and friends lost their fathers and friends and cousins.
So, Long Island lost 500 people.
You know, we lost about 410.
You know, firemen and police officers, and 1,400 since due to illness, you know, from the impacts of Ground Zero.
I was down here near the pile about two days after 9-11, and I'll never forget the faces of the Chicago firefighters, the Seattle firefighters who came in to volunteer with the blank stares on their face, the thousand-yard stares, and watching the ambulances lined up at the Marine Terminal, hundreds of them, knowing that there were no survivors here.
It was really hard.
It's impacted my life in more ways than one can know.
And you know, there's concentric rings, right?
You were here.
The second ring is you lost a family member.
The third ring is you lost a friend.
And they all intersect at so many different levels, right?
So the rest of the country may not have gotten it as much.
But, you know, thousands of people here right now.
I just interviewed a couple.
They flew all the way out from Wisconsin.
You know, they're not pilots.
They're not military.
They just wanted to pay their respects.
I was just with one of the pilots of Flight 11, American Airlines' son.
We're hoping to catch an interview with him tomorrow.
You know, those heartbreaking audio from Flight 11 with Betty Ong, the third assistant on the plane.
You know, and the first assistant was stabbed and saying we lost control of the aircraft.
Very heartbreaking.
But I think people need to understand the basics of what happened here.
Sheikh Rahman was broken out of prison.
You know, he killed Anwar Sadat.
He came to New York to Afghanistan after he was broken out of jail.
And set up the three mosques in Manhattan, and in Jersey City, and in Brooklyn.
And, you know, Mohammed Abu Halima, Mohammed Salameh wanted to take down the towers with advice from Ramzi Youssef.
But this all started because El-Sayed Nasser murdered Meir Kahane, an Israeli Knesset member, in the Marriott Marquis in 1990.
And they wanted to break him out of Attica.
They had a plan, thought he was going to be sentenced there.
A Navy intelligence officer broke it up.
And then they went and they wanted to kidnap Al D'Amato's daughter and blow up 13 synagogues in Brooklyn, and that failed.
And then Ramzi Youssef came, who was a protege, I think living in the Philippines at that time, a Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in Pakistan, came to the United States, and Ramzi Youssef said to these guys, what are you doing?
Why are you thinking so small?
Why don't you put an ammonium nitrate diesel fertilizer bomb in the basement of the World Trade Center?
And they were unsuccessful the first time.
And you've got to remember, these terrorists trained on Long Island at our shooting ranges, in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.
They lived in our neighborhoods.
And they were planning this the whole time.
And nine years later, they got their revenge after Ramsey Yousef flew over Manhattan to the Brooklyn Detention Center out of the helicopter after we arrested him in the Philippines for Operation Bojinka, taking down 13 airliners.
He was planning on doing kidnapping, Bill Clinton, killing the Pope.
He was caught because they found his laptop in an apartment fire in the Philippines and Ramsey Yousef was here and he was flying to the Brooklyn Detention Center and pointed to the towers and said, you haven't heard the last of us and we're going to do this.
They were finally successful.
steve bannon
David, today, when people are there, you know, it's a late summer, beautiful late summer day in lower Manhattan.
Do many of the people there have any concept of the lead-up of the path to 9-11?
I had that magnificent book by, I think it was Wright, called The Looming Towers, that they walked through.
Do you think many Americans actually understand the path to 9-11?
david zere
No, and it's sad.
And I bet if I interviewed 98% of the people down here, they wouldn't know who El-Sayed Nasser was.
They wouldn't know about all these plots.
And remember, the day of terror after 9-11, where they were mixing the uric acid in downtown Manhattan and bought 10,000 gallons of diesel fuel from a Yonkers gas station owner, and the Sudanese embassy gave the terrorists Shake Rachman, the keys to the Sudanese Embassy to blow up the UN.
They wanted to blow up the GW Bridge.
They wanted to blow up the Midtown Tunnel.
FBI headquarters.
That plot was foiled.
And then we had, you know, the plot to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge, which was broken up by JTTF.
I have family in the JTTF who've been all over the world fighting terrorism and saving us from attacks, you know.
And I don't think most people know.
And it's kind of sad.
steve bannon
David, as someone that's very close to people that gave their life in defense of their fellow man down there, others that were innocent victims, what are your thoughts on the evidence?
david zere
On the eve of this, well, remember, you know, under de Blasio, the truck mowed down the people on Halloween, the Home Depot truck, we had the Chelsea bomber with the pressure cookers, we had a failed Subway bomber.
This isn't over, you know, and the police were kind of handcuffed under de Blasio too, and that may have helped with the security situation for the terrorists to thrive.
Uh, I'm always worried.
You know, we don't want to see this again.
Uh, the Eve is, uh, it's kind of upbeat down here.
You know, people are at a Harrah's Bar across the street.
One of the latter companies is, uh, you know, doing a tribute.
The American Airlines pilots just had a vigil.
It's not really somber.
You know, I think tomorrow will be a little bit more.
Uh, but listen, 20 years have passed.
We have to get on and unfortunately Joe Biden made the Taliban the 26th largest armed forces in the in the world overnight and that's not going to help us.
steve bannon
Let me ask you, tomorrow as we have this very solemn commemoration, Joe Biden's going to be there.
I think we're hearing now from the White House he's going to be at all three locations, but very solemn day tomorrow.
We're going to be live in the War Room from 10 to noon doing our part of it with Real America's Voice.
There'll be coverage throughout the day.
We're going to do a special at 8 o'clock tomorrow night with David Zier.
David, at the same time, or actually earlier, because they're, what, 8-10 hours ahead, 12 hours ahead, this new super state in Afghanistan of ISIS and Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, you know, many of the people that were, you know, direct and indirect lineage to the events are going to be celebrating the creation of a new terrorist super state.
How do you think that's going to set with folks as they commemorate one of the most horrific days, if not the most horrific day in American history and American soil?
david zere
Well, I think the American public's enlightened to the failures.
You know, it's apparent that Biden asked the Afghan forces, Ghani, the president of Afghanistan, to lie about the security status, handed over $83 billion in equipment.
I'm not so sure it was by mistake anymore.
But remember, the Lion of Panjshir, Massoud, was killed the day before the 9-11 attacks.
And two months after, we sent our special forces in and worked back To take back Mazar-e-Sharif, I believe, with Colonel Dostum, and it was a victory for us, and it's a really sin that we gave that back, we gave up Mazar-e-Sharif, just like we gave back, like, Ramadi in Iraq after, you know, Obama became president, you know, and it's really sad, and this always happens under a Democrat, you know, and, you know, I think
You know, how does Joe Biden show his face in Shanksville or here when he is, you know, he is doing this?
And I met with Pompeo a couple of weeks ago and, you know, he said, listen, they killed my best friend and I had to go to the table and talk to the Taliban guy who killed my best friend.
You know, that was awful.
It took me eight weeks to recover and here we are giving the whole thing back to the same guys that killed my friends and soldiers.
And I heard a Navy veteran on Breitbart the other day saying, listen, I did 26 years in the Navy.
I'm heartbroken.
I feel like I've lost our country.
So I think there's, um, You know, what's Biden's polling rating now?
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38%?
david zere
Something like that.
You know, but most people are kind of like disengaged.
You know, 82% within one mile of Ground Zero in 2004 voted for John Kerry after George W. Bush sat up here and said, the whole world's going to hear from us.
And people were rooting for him to fight terrorism around the world.
So, you know, lower Manhattan is the home of the elite, right?
Average income is $300,000 a year, probably.
I don't know if they get it as much, even though, even if they were here, you know, they just fail to recognize our history.
But overall, I don't want to poo-poo the events.
It's very special.
steve bannon
We'll be live tomorrow.
David Zero will be with us.
We'll be doing a live broadcast.
Raheem Kassam will be co-hosting with me.
David, you went down a couple days afterwards.
Anybody that went to lower Manhattan in those few days, couple days, up to a couple weeks afterwards will know it's seared in their memory of what it looked like, what it smelled like, the entire, the way it felt.
It was apocalyptic.
So I know that's seared into your memory forever.
David, thank you very much for joining us here in the War Room.
david zere
Thank you, Steve.
steve bannon
Okay, David Zero will be with us tomorrow doing live updates throughout the day.
You're not going to want to miss this.
We're actually going to go through the exact day as it was on 9-11, particularly if you have younger people who want to definitely have them tune in.
We've got a lot of packages we're going to play tomorrow.
Okay, I want to bring in Don Amon from Minuteman Coffee.
I'll tell you what we're going to do.
Can we play the spot?
Let's play the spot and then I'm going to bring in Don.
It's a very important spot about the firefighters, first responders.
Don't have it?
Okay, that's okay.
Can I bring up Don or is he not there?
Hey, Don.
Don, on the other side of the break, we're going to play the spot.
Tell us, Don, about the Fallen Firefighters Foundation.
What are you trying to accomplish?
We've got about a minute.
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Okay, so the whole point of the Fallen Firefighters Foundation and the partnership with Minuteman Coffee is I wanted to set a realistic goal of raising $250,000 over the next year.
We are here.
Your listening audience and the viewers out there have been absolutely amazing.
Thank you guys for joining in and joining this Coffee Revolution to raise awareness to the fallen firefighters.
It's been a crazy day here, but the plan is we want to bring back to the forefront the importance of our first responders and to be able to honor them, honor the fallen, Honor all of those from the firefighters, the first responders, all of our military service men and women who we've lost over the last 20 years.
And it is bittersweet, as the gentleman you just had on, that, you know, I feel in my heart that we are worse off than we were 20 years ago.
And we really need to bring back, we just need to bring back the Constitution and bring back our country.
steve bannon
Don, hang on.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
We're going to return.
We've got a lot to go through today.
We are going to be talking about November 3rd.
We're going to be talking about the election.
We've got Frank Gaffney.
We've got Sam Faddis.
We've got Boris Epstein.
We've got Tony Shoup from Pennsylvania.
Mark Finchermount in Arizona.
A lot to go through on the eve of our coverage of 9-11.
We'll be back about the fallen firefighters in a moment.
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20 years ago at 8 45 a.m.
Eastern Time, most of us were starting our days.
Little did we know that one minute later our lives, our country, our future would forever change.
We all saw the same footage.
We all experienced the same emotions.
But for many brave men and women, they experienced something most of us didn't.
When the pleas for help came in, they didn't hesitate.
They went in.
They searched.
They rescued.
In doing so, many brave first responders, police, and firefighters paid the ultimate sacrifice that day.
To the heroes that put their uniforms on each morning, thank you.
Your sacrifice to serve others matters to us and will never be forgotten.
Minutemen Coffee has set a goal of raising $250,000 this year.
All net proceeds from our 9-11 tribute roast goes directly to the National Fallen Firefighters Foundation.
Visit MinutemenCoffee.com slash 9-1-1.
steve bannon
Okay, this is for the National Fallen Firefighters Foundation.
I want to bring in now the CEO and founder of Minuteman Coffee.
Don, we're a little pressed for time.
Just walk people through.
You've made a special brew here.
You guys roast your own beans.
You've made a special brew.
Talk to people about how you did it, why you did it, and how can they go to the site and support the foundation?
unidentified
How I did it was just, I would almost just say it was just an honor to be able to do this.
I want to raise awareness for the fact that we are 20 years past the 9-11 and we need to bring it back into our forefront so that it never happens again.
Second of all, all of the net proceeds for this special medium roast that we've done will benefit and will go to the National Fallen Firefighters Foundation.
All of our net proceeds.
Our goal is to raise $250,000 or more.
So if there is a group of people that want to pool their money together or a fire department or if Pierce Manufacture or any of the firefighter apparatus companies want to join in with us.
If you know of a fire department that serves your community, reach out, buy this coffee.
It's $20 a pound.
The net proceeds go to the fallen firefighters so they can continue to serve our first responders and their families for those who've not only lost their lives on September 11th, but since in the last 20 years.
steve bannon
Don, how do people get to this site?
I understand today the War Room Posse piled into this.
I want everybody that either heard it this morning or heard this afternoon, give it a look.
I need you to go to the site and check it out.
Don, how do they get to the site?
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So the main website is MinutemenCoffee.com.
It's plural.
So it's MinutemenCoffee.com forward slash 9-11 or you can just go to MinutemenCoffee.com and it'll be just look for the 9-11 tribute roast.
And we're going to be here all weekend.
Fill in orders here.
The viewers are amazing.
I can't thank y'all enough for your love and your support and the messages we're getting.
The entire staff is just, they're just breaking it out today.
So it's going to be a long weekend, but it is to honor our firefighters, honor our fallen, not just the fallen, but everybody over the last 20 years.
steve bannon
Don, thank you very much.
Minute Mint Coffee for the National, that we're doing this for the National Fallen Firefighters Foundation.
Thank you very much.
I appreciate it.
Want everybody in this audience, everybody in the podcast later, pile into there, check this out, go there and check out the site, slash 9-11, MinutemenCoffee, slash 9-11, check out what they're doing for the fallen firefighters.
I want to bring in now Frank Gaffney.
Frank, there's a lot of retrospectives that are being done today about how we got it wrong.
What do we do?
How do we, you know, how 20 years later, when we're going to commemorate this very solemn day that we're in far worse shape, I would say a hundred times worse shape than we were then.
You were one of the very early, you know, individuals that said, hey, I don't think we're doing this right.
I think we've got to be much more focused.
Walk us through the days following.
How do we get off on the wrong foot?
And walk us through how we got to the fact that tomorrow, When we're commemorating one of the most solemn days in American history, they're going to be in Kabul and in Afghanistan celebrating a terrorist super state that is basically, essentially financed by American money, American taxpayer dollars and paid for in American blood.
frank gaffney
Steve, I can only tell you that I believe it began on the day of 9-11 itself.
And in fact, amazingly, providentially, really, I wound up Watching a group of Muslim Brotherhood operatives convene in a conference room I shared at the time with Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax Reform.
They were supposed to be at the White House meeting with the president that very day and instead the complex was shut down of course.
They came to our conference room and I believe in that conference room they began trying to do damage limitation on
What was happening to their cause as a result of these violent jihadists attacking our country and interrupting what these stealth jihadists of the Muslim Brotherhood have been working so hard to do, which is to obscure the nature of Sharia, the Islamic totalitarian operating code, if you will, doctrine, and can persuade people that
Islam is a religion of peace and that we just need to continue to accommodate Muslim Brotherhood and other Sharia supremacists.
From that day forward, I think you saw the Bush administration, I believe substantially under the influence of a friend of theirs, Grover, increasingly adopting this idea that we needed to Impress upon the Muslim community that we weren't waging war against Islam or Muslims writ large.
In fact, it became less and less about the nature of the enemy being jihadism.
We were increasingly told it was violent extremism.
From that day to this, Steve, I think that influence operation and the placement in successive governments of both political parties, by the way, Of people who were either Muslim brothers themselves or associates of it or aligned with them, constantly making it less and less clear that what we had to do was to defeat jihadists, which brings us up to the present moment.
Joe Biden said we're ending the endless war.
Well, you can't end the endless war if the other side is continuing to wage it against you.
You can surrender, and that's effectively what we've done.
But as you know, Steve, the Muslim Brotherhood on the stealth jihad side, and the Taliban, and Al-Qaeda, and the Haqqani Network, and ISIS, and ISIS-K, and all the rest, the Sharia counterparts, Hezbollah, and the Iranian regime, are
Bound and determined to fulfill what they believe is Allah's will, which is the triumph of Sharia over Christendom, Western civilization, and other, you know, infidels.
Unless and until that is accomplished, they will not stop.
If we do not understand that and resist it effectively with clarity about what we're up against and what it's going to take to defeat them, we won't.
And we will, unfortunately, find ourselves submitting.
steve bannon
You now head one of the founders of the Committee on the Present Danger, China, of which we've identified China and the Chinese Communist Party, really, as the transnational criminal organization that must be taken down and is the existential threat to the United States.
That's now going to be in partnership with this.
We'll have you back early in the week, hopefully on Monday, to go through more details.
But just for tomorrow, because I'm sure the media is not going to show it or they're going to be very hesitant to show it, as we're doing this very solemn commemoration, For almost 3,000 Americans that died on that day are missing from that event, and then the many more that died because of that event, and not even about the 10,000 troops we lost in the fight, and thousands and thousands of contractors, essentially pipe hitters, $9 trillion.
When they see the celebration going on in Kabul, right, of everybody we already defeated somewhat on the battlefield, what should the American people take away from that?
What do you think the lessons that we don't repeat what happened after 9-11, but we actually win?
What should the American people think about tomorrow when they're celebrating a terrorist super state with our mortal enemies in Kabul?
frank gaffney
Well, first, I think we ought to recognize that we did buy, at great expense, yes, but we did buy 20 years without further attacks of the kind that we experienced 20 years ago tomorrow.
That shouldn't be ignored in all of this, nor, you know, written off as, you know, having been wasted, as I think some would have it.
We need to get back on and indeed improve the war footing that is required to defend our country against, as you said, Steve, not just the jihadists, the global Islamic movement, but against the people with whom they are aligning, including the Chinese Communist Party, the Russians, and others.
If we do that, we have a chance of protecting our country and preserving our freedoms.
You know, Ronald Reagan said famously, every generation faces an existential threat to freedom.
This is ours.
We must rise to it.
We can't pretend it's gone away, or if we just leave them alone, they'll leave us alone.
They will not do so.
steve bannon
Frank, what's your social media, and how do people get to the Committee on the Present Danger, and how do people follow you individually?
frank gaffney
PresidentDangerChina.org is the committee's website.
SecureFreedom.org is a terrific site of the Center for Security Policy, of which I'm executive chairman.
And I also encourage people to look at SecuringAmerica.tv, which compiles all of our products.
steve bannon
Frank, thank you very much for joining us on the eve of the 20th anniversary of 9-11.
frank gaffney
Thank you for having me, Steve.
Bless you.
steve bannon
Okay, I want to pivot.
Elections have consequences.
Stolen elections have catastrophic consequences.
Frank Gaffney was telling us about some of the catastrophic consequences we face internationally.
Don't even want to get into what we face at home right now with the vaccine mandates and all of it.
I want to bring Tony Shoup in.
It looks like on one level, Pennsylvania is moving forward to get to a full forensic audit.
I think the grassroots in Pennsylvania have a different opinion.
Tony, we've got a couple of minutes.
Tell us what your thoughts are.
There was a big press release put out today.
A lot of press given in Pennsylvania.
The left's head's blowing up that this is going to be another state like Arizona.
But the grassroots there are not convinced.
Am I correct on this?
unidentified
You are correct on that, Steve.
We are not.
steve bannon
So walk us through what your issues are.
They say they're going to subpoena the ballots.
They're going to subpoena the machines.
They're going to subpoena this.
They're going to get to full forensic audit.
What do the grassroots want to see?
unidentified
Well, they say they're going to subpoena testimony from the State Department, and that better include former Secretary of State Kathy Bookvar, because she is the one responsible for giving the last-minute guidance and all the changes that were made to Act 77 that caused a lot of the chaos.
So that better include her, otherwise I think that's kind of pointless.
The other piece of it is, I was just looking at Senator Corman's press release.
He's talking about subpoenaing ballots, but which ballots?
It better include the mail-in ballots because that's the main source of inconsistency and potential fraud that we're finding on the ground.
That also better include provisional ballots.
He says voting materials, other voting materials.
I would like that to be more specific.
We have the subpoenas that Senator Mastriano had prepared to send out.
They are extensive.
There's close to 60 different items on there that need to be subpoenaed and need to be looked at so we can get the full picture and get to the truth of what happened in 2020.
And anything less, quite honestly, is a dog and pony show that we will not accept.
A lot of our skepticism does come from the fact that Senator Corman is running this.
He doesn't have a good track record in Pennsylvania of doing what he says he's going to do.
He voted for a gas tax back in 2013 that caused one of the highest gas tax hikes in Pennsylvania history.
He voted for his own pay raise back in 2005 in the middle of the night.
This is all documented.
And we are just not confident with him at a helm that this is actually going to get done right.
steve bannon
Tony, you guys also want a, besides a full forensic audit, included in that is also a canvass.
You want to re-canvass, particularly Pittsburgh and Philadelphia.
Am I correct in that?
unidentified
Absolutely.
We're in the process of canvassing Allegheny County right now.
steve bannon
Tony, we got to bounce.
How do people get about 30 seconds?
How do people track you?
What's your social media?
How did you get to AuditTheVotePA?
unidentified
AuditTheVotePA.com is our website.
Tons of information on there.
You can sign our petition or reach out to us to volunteer.
We are also on Gab Telegram, Facebook.
We just got on Getter.
There's another social media platform we're looking at, patriot.online.
If I could make one more really quick plug, what really is gonna help this entire situation, on the bottom of our website, we host constitution classes.
Karen and I that are the founders of Audit the Vote PA.
Get to the bottom of the website.
We'll get about.
Okay, welcome back.
steve bannon
Our special coverage on the eve of 9-11, one of the most solemn days in American history.
We are going and doing some practical things here besides having Bernie Kerrick in the Frank Gaffney's next segment.
We've got Sam Faddis, we've got Brian Kennedy, we've got a lot more.
I want to go to Mark Fincham right now.
Mark, you had this preliminary Canvas report that's already got their heads blowing up in the media matters world and of course the left-wing media out in Arizona.
But you're also working on the final report or the report that's going to come out hopefully this coming week in Arizona.
Can you get our audience up to date on what's going on in the full forensic audit and particularly aspects of this Canvas?
mark finchem
Yeah, it's my understanding, Steve, that the Senate will be receiving what I believe is a four-volume report sometime in the next 24 hours.
Of course, they want to have the opportunity to go through it, understand what's in it, digest the material.
It's my understanding that it's pretty comprehensive for what they've been able to take a look at so far.
It is as complete as it can be with what has been presented.
Now, there's additional information that's been coming in.
So the ballot affidavit envelopes, they've been scrutinized, or at least most of them have been scrutinized.
I know that for a fact.
So that is some additional information that wasn't available weeks ago.
So I would expect to see something probably early next week in the form of a hearing where that is presented to the public through the hearing type format that President Fann has become very well known for.
On the side of the canvas, and I'm so glad that Dr. Navarro so long ago really framed this well, it's the canvas not the count.
The audit report is going to look at process primarily.
How did the content get processed?
And if there are any defects, where might those defects be?
The canvas was actually taking a look at the content.
So that would be the voter registration logs.
Who voted?
Was there evidence that they voted?
I think probably one of the most powerful moments was a couple of days ago when you asked Liz Harris to describe the lady who had gotten ballots 2012, 14, 16, 18, 20, and showed that the 2020 ballot was voted even though she was holding it in her hand.
So that's one of the things that the canvas is so important about.
What that's doing is helping to identify fictitious voters.
Now, it's not going to be part of the Senate's audit because it wasn't done by the Senate.
It was actually done by the people.
And I would like to reiterate something that's been a common theme throughout this entire event in our history and state history and even American history.
The people asked for this audit.
Many people asked for this audit.
So to say the media, AP called me yesterday and said, we're going to debunk all this.
Do you want to have a comment?
It's like, no, because this is up to the people.
The people participated in a canvas.
They contacted voters one-to-one, knocking on doors, doing the hard work of identifying the locations where people were registered to vote, and then followed up on whether or not there was a ballot that was turned in.
I think they did a really nice job on the presentation, the executive summary.
They made a strong case that there's 197,000-some fictitious voters.
So that's what we're starting to see.
I'm looking forward to the process part.
steve bannon
By the way, that's an extrapolation.
Look, they approached 11,000. I think they talked to 4,900, and there's some subsets of that.
And like I said, that's very preliminary. And of course, there's a...
But in the scope of work for the Senate, there was a scope of work issue to actually do at least a preliminary canvas to kind of get not to canvas the whole thing, which would be enormously expensive and take time, but to do enough that you could try to extrapolate from that and see directionally, like her report did, see directionally where you stand.
But after the Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department, under Carlin, sent the letter on May 5th, It appears, I'm sure we'll find the reason out later, the Senate either waved off or they had made a decision they weren't going to do it.
And the Citizens Group's been working for months and months, even before that, to get this done.
So initially, part of a canvas was certainly at least contemplated, correct?
mark finchem
That's correct.
And in true fashion, that would have been a scientifically valid sample.
Now, something we need to remember, that sample would have been around 500 constituents.
Liz Harris and her team contacted 5,000.
10x.
So that reduces the margin of error in any kind of a sample.
But you make a very good point that is an extrapolated number.
But when you have a sample that's 10 times, 10 times the scientific sample, that's massive.
And that carries a lot of weight.
steve bannon
I think that case has to be made because the mainstream media is coming after this, as we said they would, right?
unidentified
Sure.
steve bannon
Because it is a preliminary canvas and it wasn't done under the auspices of the full forensic audit that was done, right?
And clearly the Justice Department's letter, at least it appears to have had some sort of chilling effect, right?
It wasn't on Liz Harrison or volunteers.
They went out there, and by the way, I think they knocked on 11,000, they got 5,000 respondents, or at least people that that engaged in them, which is pretty extraordinary. Mark, we've got, you're saying it's four volumes, I just want to, four volume report, you think it'll be delivered over the weekend to Karen Phan and the team in the Senate, and then they will start to digest this over the weekend, and then next week we should at least get some direction where they're headed?
mark finchem
That's what I'm hearing.
steve bannon
Okay, Mark, how can people give us your social media because I know people are going to keep That's why we wanted to have Shoop in Pennsylvania and you in Arizona.
People are very, very interested in this, even over the weekend of the commemoration of 9-11.
How do people stay up with you?
mark finchem
Yeah, they can find me on Twitter, RealMarkFincham.
They can also find me on Gab at AZHoneyBadger.
Let's see, on Getter, I'm out there, RealMarkFincham.
I can also be found at markfinchamatme.com.
Probably one of the best ways to get the information out of Arizona as we receive it is to subscribe to my journal.
Just write markfinchamatme.com, put in the subject line journal, and I'll be happy to put you on the subscription list.
Now we only put that out once a week or once every other week.
We don't load people's emails up with a bunch of junk.
Or people can go to votefincham.com and if they want to reach out to me, just click on contact and write me a note.
steve bannon
Are you organizing?
I know you're talking to other Secretaries of State, particularly people running.
Are you talking to people about getting canvases as part of their full forensic audits?
We've got about 30 seconds.
mark finchem
Yes, sir.
Within other states, and I'm also talking to the Pima County GOP about a canvas in Pima County with evidence that we now have that Dr. Shiva has worked on.
We hope to release that next week.
It's big.
steve bannon
We'd love the news.
There's a couple of bombs you're dropping here.
We love it.
Okay, Mark Fincham in Arizona.
Sir, thank you very much.
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