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Virus has now killed more than 100 people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world.
So you don't want to frighten the American public.
France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans.
But you need to prepare for and assume.
Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China.
This is going to be a real serious problem.
France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on.
Health officials are investigating more than 100 possible cases in the US.
Germany, a man has contracted the virus.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus.
Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500.
We have to prepare for the worst, always.
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Because if you don't, then the worst happens.
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Pandemic.
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steve bannon
Okay, welcome.
You're in the War Room.
Wednesday, 8th September, Year of Our Lord 2021.
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OK, today we're going to because I've told you the firestorm that's building is on the failed Biden regime.
OK, this first hour is going to be a lot of mathematics because math underpins everything, underpins.
And they were kind of dismissing it last night on MSNBC, but they missed the point.
There is a effort.
To transform our country so that you can't ever kind of put the pieces back.
And it's not just culturally, it's just not, because they understand that culturally it's going to be a death struggle, right?
So they're not going to get this done.
They've seen what's happened at the school boards.
They see how the deplorables are standing up and fighting.
What they're trying to do is financially and economically do this.
And what they're trying to do is run this scam with no support to basically try to essentially lock in spending of six trillion dollars on their radical program.
It's the manifestation of their radical program.
And the country's run out of money.
Yep.
Country's run out of money.
Not that we don't have potential sources of capital.
The potential source of the capital is you.
And I want you to understand this.
Okay?
We could sell bonds to the Chinese and the Japanese and to the Gulf Emirates.
Government bonds.
We could increase...tax revenues would increase if growth was there.
There's no growth.
Okay?
If...or they could raise taxes dramatically, which they're going to try to do, but that's still marginalia.
The last thing they can do is print money, and print money is just have the Federal Reserve buy these bonds from the Treasury, and it basically goes on your shoulders, your children's shoulders, and your grandchildren's shoulders.
The full faith and credit of the United States, okay?
That's the part they never tell you, when they tell you to print money.
This can be stopped because of the debt ceiling, also because the fiscal year ends 30 September, and they need a budget.
So they're all jammed up.
And we're going to get to the bottom of Because the legitimacy of this regime...
Is really now being questioned by people who are not, who have not been on this from the beginning and have not, are not part of the Trump movement and are not part of the MAGA movement.
And I notice in the live chat sometimes when I have Democrats on here, some people voted for Biden.
Then, hey, what we want is people that either reclined to Biden or thinking about Biden to come over to our cause.
It's very important we do that.
We must do that.
One of the key people that's hanging this thing up is a guy, is a congressman named Cuellar, down in the Rio Grande Valley, working class Hispanic, who's jamming up Nancy Pelosi right now, after the three of them jammed up Nancy Pelosi a couple weeks ago.
I want to bring in Richard Barris.
The two lead stories today on The Hill and Politico set this whole thing up because all this city's focus on right now is money.
Okay?
Money.
And they talk about Biden having such a bad summer.
There's nothing good here.
The numbers are terrible.
And then The Hill says literally what we've been saying.
He has no muscle.
Remember Steve Cortez, Frankie Pantangeli, and his godfather.
Let's hit him when we still got some muscle.
They got no muscle.
Right?
Because the numbers are imploding.
And I want to bring in Richard Barris, because he's kind of, particularly in the Hill, they imply about Barris and the polling that the guys on the right are doing to show that this is an implosion among independents.
So Richard, I want you to go through your polling.
By the way, we're going to be followed by, we've got Captain Seth Keshel, one of my favorites, a big-time military intelligence guy, statistician, and of course Liz Harris, the great Liz Harris from out in Arizona, to walk through some analysis they've done.
And then I've got Matt Brainerd, I've got Boris Epstein, we have Jason Miller.
This show is packed today.
It's going to be a tad dense, but just hang with us, okay?
We're not here to do... We understand.
The War Room is work.
It's supposed to be work.
That's why you're the most powerful audience in all media.
Richard, walk through your latest analysis of the implosion of Joe Biden, and then I'm going to make some analogies of we've been here before and walk through what the math is really telling us.
So go ahead and give us your presentation.
And I want to say something.
I got embarrassed.
Not just because I love, really it's his wife who does all the work.
So she's the superstar.
Richard's kind of the front guy, right?
He's the front man in the band.
A good man.
He's a good man.
But the wife, the wife does all the hard, the heavy lifting.
But Barris was with us on election night.
Barris was with us on election night.
He saw this whole thing unfold in real time.
And he's the guy that told me, hey, dude, don't, don't go to sleep because they're going to, they're going to be stealing this thing at four and five in the morning.
So Richard, walk us through your latest analysis of Joe Biden and the dilemma he's got right now.
unidentified
Right.
richard baris
So the last poll we conducted, Stevie was negative four.
It was a complete reversal.
And I told you if we kept polling, we would probably have seen him slide more.
And that's what we saw now.
So over the weekend, Labor Day, we were coming out of this thing.
He was negative four.
Now he's negative nine in the overall approval.
So there's the trend.
So you guys can see, you know, going back six, seven months, We saw the height of, you know, we saw his high time, his honeymoon, and we caught that just like other pollsters did.
But it was always about that issue, the coronavirus pandemic issue.
And once that faded, he was going to come down because he never had high marks.
He never had a base.
And I know I keep sounding like a broken record here, but you mentioned it before.
Now some people are starting to come along.
They're starting to come around, you know, the supposed gurus and all of the Beltway papers.
They're starting to realize that this was, you know, months in the making.
And I'll tell you what, Steve, it looks better for him on paper with that 44% approved, 53% disapproved.
Now, it looks better for him just when you look at the snapshot of those numbers.
When you look inside the poll, it's bad.
Because I just don't know how you reverse this, especially among the independent and third party voters.
Those were key, supposedly, to his victory.
And these people are now independents in the 30s, third party voters below 30%.
steve bannon
Okay, that's the one I want to hang on for a second.
The 44, I want people to understand, the 44.53, the negative nine, is still loading in a Democratic Party who's sitting there looking for the goodies.
They're all back in the six trillion.
Remember, Bernie, this three and a half trillion, ladies and gentlemen, understand Bernie Sanders and those guys, they said to Rachel Maddow last night, on the show that's after Rachel Maddow, their number was six to ten trillion.
They think in their mind they've already cut that number in half.
So they're still all in, in the 85-90% category.
It's the independents and the third parties that are a proxy for where the American people are overall.
So 44-93, upside down 9 points, which means you're going to get nothing done.
But talk to us about the independents and third parties.
How into the 30s, and what are their negative perceptions of Biden?
richard baris
Yeah, they like him on nothing at this point.
Third-party voters don't even give him high marks on coronavirus anymore.
20% of the electorate strongly approves of Joe Biden, while about 4 in 10 strongly disapprove.
So he's sitting at close to negative 20 on intensity.
And what you pulled up right now, look at this third-party voting.
What's so important here is that someone else category I'm not going to tilt my head to look at it, but that's what's doing him so dirty in this potential head-to-head matchup.
This is just the 2020 vote.
It's not the entire sample of the poll we conducted.
These are just people who told us they voted in 2020.
And if they had it all to do again, what would they do?
This reminds me of 16, where the third party voter completely abandons the Democratic Party and the independents go hard to the Republican.
This is an electoral college route.
So, I know it doesn't look, you know, three points, four points, it's a landslide.
steve bannon
Yeah, but hold it, but hang on.
For our podcast and radio, because we've got 85 million downloads, the podcast and the radio audience is vast.
They can't see the chart, only the TV and live streaming.
Walk through that chart of people that voted for him.
richard baris
Yeah, let's do it.
steve bannon
It's quite illustrative.
Give us the numbers.
richard baris
If you voted for Donald Trump in 2020, then he's keeping more than 90% of his block and only 2% less than 2% would vote for Joe Biden.
So if you voted for Donald Trump, less than 2% of those voters say, I'll vote for Joe Biden.
If you look at Joe Biden, he struggles to hold on to 75% of the people who voted for him in 2020.
Folks, that's a net of about six million votes swinging to Donald Trump.
Before you even factor in how the third party voters are not going to vote for him the way he did.
So they'll go for somebody else, a Gary Johnson, a Joe Jorgensen, whoever may make, like we saw in 16, there were viable third party choices.
In 2020, there was a different dynamic.
It was more of a binary choice.
They wanted that.
The media wanted that.
They got those voters, those voters gave them a chance, Steve, and now they're gone.
And that's why I say I don't know how...
How you recover that.
So this is a three-point lead for the former president, but folks, any time a Republican carries the popular vote, it's a landslide.
A landslide.
steve bannon
Yeah.
Okay.
I want to go to... Can we pull the Rachel Maddow clip from last night about the Tea Party?
I want to play this clip, and then I want to put up a couple of charts here, if we can pull this off.
Let's play the clip.
rachel maddow
That the country actually starts paying attention to who they're eventually going to vote for.
Even when it's not a national election year, still, today is the day.
The day after Labor Day is when members of Congress start to head back to Washington, having gotten an earful from their constituents back home about whatever the outrage of the day is that motivated politics through the summer season.
Case in point, 2009, the first August recess of the Obama presidency.
You might remember that was distinguished by rip-roaring, raucous, sometimes crazed, occasionally even violent town halls and protests all over the country by anti-Obama Republicans, by the new Tea Party Republican movement all screaming bloody murder about how Obamacare was going to destroy the country and they were willing to start a civil war over it.
steve bannon
Okay, I want to put up the Politico.
Okay, remember, there's two things in history.
In the Politico piece, and I quote, Biden's, and by the way, the thing is about how he's had the worst summer in history, Biden's approval ratings, which have sunk to the mid-40s, stand about where Clinton's did at this point in his presidency.
And they are worse than Obama's in 2009, before Obama's self-described shellacking in the midterm elections.
Please put up, that's the article, and they talk about Clinton's approval at the same point in time, after Labor Day, in his first year, and they talk about Obama, right after the Tea Party town halls.
People remember this.
The 94 election was the Gingrich Revolution.
This is what took control of the House for the first time of the Republicans, I think, since before FDR.
Right?
This was a shellacking that set the modern revolt up under Newt Gingrich.
Correct?
2010 was the biggest since the Great Depression.
1932, 63 seats.
Right?
Those are the two tee-ups.
But here's the key point.
How did Biden, who had no worse a time than Obama, Obama out of the box was terrible, okay?
And you saw the heat he took in August.
He didn't have that this August.
He had the war and he had others.
What you had, put up the chart of Bill Clinton.
What people forget, or the mainstream media never wants to talk about, is Bill Clinton's first victory.
What did Bill Clinton get out of the vote? 43%.
Remember?
Bush was like at 37.
Remember the hand grenade with a bad haircut?
Ross Perot?
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19%.
steve bannon
The reason that Biden is in the level of Clinton, and if you look at independents worse, because 30s and third party voters in the 20s, ladies and gentlemen, there was no vote there in the first place.
This is the math they can't hide.
Put that thing up there of Clinton.
Clinton got 43% of the vote.
That is why Biden, it's one of the reasons, one of the central reasons is when Richard Barris keeps saying there's no base, there's no there there.
And they can't continue to hide this.
Politico says he's at levels, sunk to levels, about where Clinton did at this point in his presidency.
The reason was, Bill Clinton was elected with a minority vote of 43%.
Are you sitting there and telling me, Richard Barris, I'll tell you what, we're going to take a break.
After the break, when we're back, we've got Kesha, we've got Liz Harris, we've got a lot to go through, but I want to set the mathematical argument.
Are you going to sit there and tell me that this guy got more votes than Obama and has fallen, forget Obama and that, but he's fallen to the levels of Clinton at 43%?
Do they think you're idiots?
We'll be back in The Worm in just a moment.
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Let me go back to Richard Barris.
We're going to have Captain Seth Kessel.
We've got Liz Harris.
We've got Matt Brainerd.
We've got Boris Epstein.
We've got Jason Miller.
It's packed today, okay?
And we've got so much other stuff we've got to cover, but we've got to get through the math on this.
Okay, Richard Barris.
OK, are you are you going to sit there and tell me that this guy got more votes?
You know, the two rock stars we've had in modern politics, Donald J. Trump and Barack Obama.
And I realize our audience's head is blown up for certain people on the left.
He's a rock star.
Right.
And you're telling me that Obama, as many votes as he got, that this guy beat him and his numbers are below Clinton.
And let me remind you, they never want to talk about it.
Bill Clinton got 43% of the vote.
The reason he imploded, he had such a low base.
That's why Joe Biden, it's not me saying that, it's not the War Room, it's not Richard Beres, it's not Seth Kesher or Liz Harris, it's Politico.
Politico is giving you the buried lead.
He's at, and by the way, here's what everybody's got to understand.
The Gingrich Revolution in 94 and the Tea Party Revolt in 2010 came off numbers like this after Labor Day.
Okay?
That's why it's so important.
The only way they get out of this, they got one way out.
To try to buy off the American people with this 3.5 trillion.
Why do you think they call them back?
They had the committee meetings this week.
It cannot happen and it will not happen.
And once we stop that, we've put the final nail in the coffin of this regime.
Richard Barris, you're the stats guy, you're the math guy, you're the people's pundit.
You were there with me on election night.
Am I too far off that there's no- this is the reason there's no base there, because he started with a lower number?
richard baris
Yeah, I mean look, as a math guy, a history guy, I love history.
It's more than that.
He got the most votes and he was the first candidate and challenger to ever defeat an incumbent president who increased his total vote.
So, there's a whole lot of firsts here for me to swallow.
And then, you know, six months, seven months later, we watch this complete collapse.
Independence, third party, 35%.
If you just look at the third party voters who the New York Times told you they were key to defeating Donald Trump, 27%.
That's where he's sitting with them right now.
So I just don't...
You know, I'm not a believer in coincidences, Steve.
It's really that simple.
I am not a believer in coincidences.
There's a whole lot of first times for me that I can't swallow.
You'd have to be a sucker.
I said it during the break.
steve bannon
There's no conspiracies, but there's no coincidences.
I just want to make sure people know, you add, because you break it out.
When you add your third party and your independents, because your independents at 38%, your third party's at 27, when you do the weighted average and get it in there, that number's 34, 35?
richard baris
Yeah, 35.
Almost on the dot.
Yep.
So it's something else, third party voters, just so everybody knows, they're about 5 to 7%.
They fluctuate between 5 and 7% of the overall, you know, national voter file database.
True independents are usually around 24, 25.
We do it differently.
We try to mimic the voter file.
We try to mimic reality, Steve, which is what other people aren't, you know, they're not focusing on.
But there really is a difference between nones, no party affiliation, none, I'm nothing, which we call an independent, a true independent.
Versus a third-party voter.
And it could be Green, Libertarian, the Tax Reform Party.
We have ten of them in Florida.
Utah's another one, right?
United, Utah.
There's a lot more than the usual suspects we hear about.
They're about five to seven percent.
steve bannon
This is why Politico... The Hill's got... He has no muscle.
We're gonna... I have our crack staff.
We're gonna pull it.
I'm not gonna have it yet because we're putting this together on the fly.
However, I'm going to tell you on third party voters and independents.
When Nixon walked out to the helicopter to wave goodbye, I'm telling you, these numbers are not that far off.
They're maybe somewhere far, but they're not that far off.
richard baris
This is historic.
The lowest disapproval, Steve, for Richard Nixon was 4%.
At one time, only 4% of the country disapproved of Richard Nixon.
Are we really going to put Joe Biden in the same category with this?
Come on, guys.
Come on.
Richard Nixon took a whole lot to collapse.
steve bannon
Give me a break.
Exactly.
That's why, because there's no there, there.
And they can't hide it anymore.
Okay, Richard, how do people get to you?
The People's Pundit, fantastic.
I do want to come back to you after 9-11 and go through some more of this polling.
It's amazing of what's going on.
Remember, polling's directly related to political capital.
They don't have the muscle to get through their own program.
Among Democrats, they're trying to save themselves, particularly guys down the Rio Grande Valley, these moderate Democrats.
Richard, how do people get to you?
richard baris
They can find me on Getter now at People's Pundit, and they can still follow me on Twitter at People's underscore Pundit.
And on Local, Steve.
People's Pundit dot Locals dot com.
steve bannon
Okay.
Thank you very much, Richard Barris.
And thank Mrs. Barris.
It's a great comedy.
All the best.
You did a great job.
richard baris
Will do.
steve bannon
Thank you.
Okay.
I want to bring on now Captain Seth Keschel and of course Liz Harris for a very important analysis here.
Another piece of analysis, right?
And this is going to take, it's going to be a mosaic, but this one's very intriguing.
Let's say that.
And I think we can put up the thing, but let's start with Captain Keschel.
Let's start with you.
You walk us through your presentation and then we're going to turn to Liz, probably get to Liz in the next block.
You take your time.
We got about five minutes.
You go ahead, Captain Keschel.
unidentified
All right.
seth keshel
Morning, Steve.
Thanks for having me on.
Look, so for the layperson out there, it is possible for states to flip.
Richard Barris is known for talking about these coalition shifts.
But when you have a Republican stronghold like Arizona, many people may not understand just how strong of a Republican state Arizona is.
It's only been blue twice since the end of World War II.
Once in 1948 for Truman, and then again in 96 for Bill Clinton and his re-election campaign.
Now Maricopa County, The last time Maricopa County voted for the Democrat nominee was in 1948, and that was for Truman.
And ever since then, it has been a Republican county, including for Donald Trump in 2016, when he had fewer votes than Mitt Romney after four years of population growth.
A lot of people like to talk about the population growth in places like Arizona, Texas, Florida, to justify abnormal turnout numbers.
And in reality, Maricopa County's population growth has slowed down.
More people moved there from 1990 to 2000 than moved there from 2000 to 2010.
And there were more people in that decade that moved there from 2010 to 2020.
So that has slowed down.
And if you pull the first graphic I sent in, Look, this is net new votes for the two-party candidates.
This is Bush in 2004.
He gained almost 200,000 new votes from his 2000 performance, and that was the Republican record.
Kerry's number there is 118,000 new from 2000.
That's the Democrat record.
And you can see declining numbers, smaller numbers of gains in 2008.
Obama there's at 97,000 over Kerry.
Then in 2012, you have the low turnout Romney-Obama election.
Romney's almost flat in the county.
Obama's Almost exactly at the same number.
Then 2016, Trump lost votes from Romney.
Clinton gained 101,000.
And now we have Trump at the record Republican gain number of 248,000 new votes.
So he consolidated those lost third party voters and also pull it in what we know to be a significant section of the Hispanic working class.
And now you see the Biden number in 2020.
That's almost three times their previous high.
Vote gain in the county in a Republican stronghold that hasn't been blue since 1948.
This is the impetus for what the heck happened in Maricopa County, because we have a record Republican result in a Republican stronghold.
unidentified
Okay.
seth keshel
That's why.
unidentified
Yep.
steve bannon
Keep going.
seth keshel
So this is, this is of course your presidential result, but one of the major issues, if we can pull up the next slide I sent in about the races that are too close to certify.
It's not just the top of the ticket.
So we of course have the presidency.
You can look at that statewide number 10,457 votes statewide.
That is one half of 1% of all ballots cast in Maricopa County.
The point is this graphic is to give you an idea of how close should there be significant fraud uncovered in the county.
A lot of these races were there were six races aside from the presidency in the county that I would consider
Important locally or statewide that are under 2% even the Senate number 78,000 statewide but look at these you have Republican races nine of these twelve or one by Republicans and Two of those board positions look at the Jack Sellers race 403 votes separate the two candidates out of almost 425,000 cast and then of course the gates race is 1.4% Stephen Richard the recorder elected by 4,600 votes and what you see here So I've gone over these numbers with other analysts at the America Project
And to pull out some of these numbers, and we've failed to talk about them because of the significance of the president race.
But these are absolutely mind boggling that we could certify an election based on the numbers that you are about to hear.
And if there is significant fraud present, then we're talking about serious human rights violations and lack of equal protection under the law for the voters that had their votes stolen.
So these are races.
That people have not really talked about, but these were certified very quickly with serious allegations of fraud, including thousands of written affidavits, not just in Arizona, but across the country.
And we did not press the brakes long enough in this country to be able to look at this under the microscope and see that there could be some serious misrepresentation in the state legislature as well.
steve bannon
Okay.
Do we have any other slides?
Because I just got a minute and I want to make sure I tee this up for the next.
Okay.
Remember what's a full forensic audit?
We keep saying it's tripartite.
You have a ballot analysis.
You get your hands on the ballot.
You have a full ballot analysis, analytics, and a count, a hard count, a real hard count of everything.
You have a canvas and then you have the machines.
You know, Peter Navarro and I have said from day one, we're not machine guys.
We're people that do that, enter into that.
But what is Navarro's dictum?
And let's go back to the 100 page.
I want to put that up to you.
Novara's dictum.
It's the canvas, not the count.
And I've seen this from 18, from what happened in California.
It's the canvas, not the count.
It's the canvas, not the count.
The hill they're going to die on.
And Carlin's letter from the DOJ said that.
You know, a third of her letter was about what?
Canvas.
Her letter was sitting there going, don't go there.
Don't do that.
We're going to bring up criminal charges.
Do not go there.
Why are they so afraid of a canvas?
Well, Liz Harris is going to join us after the break and tell us exactly why in Maricopa County.
We'll be back in a moment.
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OK, we're going to get Liz Harris in now, who is a concerned citizen that actually worked and worked through a canvas.
And I'm going to maybe I think I'm going to do that and then read the Department of Justice, the Civil Rights Division of the U.S.
Department of Justice on the 5th of May.
On the 5th of May, I think we were 30 days into this.
I think they started in April.
Memory serves me correctly about that.
Right out of the box, they sent a to Karen Phan, the president of the Arizona State Senate, A three-page letter that put the Arizona Senate on notice that the Department of Justice is going to get involved here.
It's signed by Pamela Carlin, Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General, Civil Rights Division.
You might remember Professor Carlin.
She was one of the witnesses in Trump's first impeachment trial, President Trump's first impeachment trial.
She was the one, and we're trying to pull it, she's the one that gave the very snarky comment.
She's the person that brought the president's son, the young son, Barron, into this by making some really snarky comment about it.
She was as nasty as you could possibly... Her hatred for the president came through the camera that day.
People commented on it.
Right.
And she tried to make the big case for the, you know, the was it the interagency process.
Right.
So if that's the level of impeachment, then Biden's gone.
OK, you talk about the comparison of Afghanistan and what they tried to accuse President Trump of in Ukraine, which was a joke.
And I'm going to read from Carlin's letter, because this letter was sent.
To.
The president's fan.
And it was not about.
It's about the subpoenaed ballots, but the core of the letter is about what?
Canvas.
The implied criminal charges are about what?
Canvas.
Peter Navarro's dictum.
We've spent more time on this than anybody.
It's the canvas, not the count.
We've said that from day one.
A full forensic audit is tripartite.
You have the ballots and the ballot analysis and the recount of the ballots, but also the ballot analysis of all of it.
And you see in Georgia, they get this big issue with these ballots.
Could be a game changer there.
In Arizona, somewhat.
Second part's gotta be a canvas.
Has to be a canvas.
Justice Department knew this.
They knew what a full forensic warrant was.
They saw the scope of work.
They sent an incoming.
We talked about it on the show the next day and we pointed out with... I had Navar on here.
Hey, they are so petrified of a canvas.
And why are they petrified of a canvas?
Liz, I want you to walk through your background, how you got involved here as a concerned citizen, and walk us through.
We've got a report from you.
It's, let me say this, it's provocative.
It's a provocative report.
But I want to walk through, and we'll take as much time as possible to go through the details of exactly what you and your canvassing organization found.
But I want to get first, how you got involved, how you got engaged, how you got worked up on this enough to actually take time and effort and go do this.
unidentified
Good morning and thank you, Steve.
So what I did was I decided to run for political office.
I ran for Arizona State House of Representatives.
And when I cast my ballot, I actually shot a video and said, hey, Arizona has had the mail-in ballot and we've had great voting for the last three decades.
There's nothing to worry about.
No shenanigans here.
Today, it's a very different story.
Right after the election, I decided I started off with a really small dead voter project and what it wound, what it landed into is a, um, a canvas.
And I think it's really important for your viewers to know a canvas.
We did not stand in a mall or in a strip center, you know, with our little clipboards asking people who they voted for or anything like that.
We actually went to the homes of the registered voters and the, um, the results are just amazing.
steve bannon
So how did you, first off, how did you get motivated to go do that?
Then how did you get organized to go do it?
And then how did you select, I think, the precincts you went to, the districts you went to, you selected three.
How did you select them?
And then walk us through the methodology, how you went about it and did it.
Because trust me, when this report comes out, I think a couple of three people on the left are going to be all over you.
Just a wild assumption on here.
So just walk us through, methodically, how you went about and did this.
unidentified
Absolutely.
So on November 30th, I testified at the Phoenix Hyatt and that was what Representative Mark Fincham had started for all of us.
And Mark Fincham said, well, what do you need to do next now that you're seeing that the database doesn't match the voting rolls?
And I said, well, you're going to have to go to the door.
You're going to have to canvas and find out the real story.
And he said, how many, how many days can you do it?
And I'm like, seven?
And that's when we, the people, people from the state of Arizona and across the country, they said, Liz, we're going to help you with this canvas.
My cell phone blew up with people offering to help.
I had amazing people, highly skilled and talented people, engineers, data people.
I can't even begin to tell you the talent we had on the team.
And we quickly set up an operation to start that canvassing.
And we've been canvassing statewide since December.
So the results in the report are from, it's from the last two months of canvassing, because we had a custom app built.
And our questions, they were really simple.
What method did you use to vote?
Did you receive extra ballots?
What did you do with those extra ballots?
How many registered voters are supposed to be here?
And how many actually voted?
Not once do we ask who the person voted for.
steve bannon
Yeah.
Let me ask you, you train, how did you go about in training?
How'd you select the questions and how did you, how'd you train folks up?
unidentified
Okay.
So the, the questions, um, were formed because of our experience from December to May to June.
I mean, we had a lot of information and we knew what we, we knew what the data was saying and we knew what our initial, um, let's say it was beta test canvassing.
We knew what the issues were from when we were interviewing people.
So that's pretty much how we got all this started up.
And then we had a custom app developed for us.
It was actually donated to us because it's very important for your audience to know we don't take money and we are a grassroots citizens group that essentially got this started.
And, uh, all right.
And what was your other question?
I'm sorry.
steve bannon
Hang on a second.
I just want to make sure people know that you're a grass.
unidentified
Yeah.
steve bannon
Training.
Go ahead.
unidentified
OK, the training.
So we have the people who signed up initially.
We had three Zoom calls a day with training 7 a.m., 11 a.m., 7 p.m.
every day for months and months and months.
And then we tailored that down to six, basically twice a day.
So we basically everyone that has canvassed, we do a vetting on.
They can be any party.
It doesn't matter.
We just pretty much want to make sure they are who they say they are.
And if they happen to vote in the election, that helped because we knew that they knew what the voting process was like.
And so we did that training.
And and then when we oh, you asked how we chose the precincts.
So what we did was we did random samples throughout Maricopa County, and then we did a full precinct and we did partials on three precincts.
So one of the precincts we had to abandon.
We were the ones being intimidated.
We kind of got run out of one precinct.
And then the other two precincts, again, we did partials.
And that's just it's a timing matter.
steve bannon
Let me ask you, though, how did.
Because you have these, if you're in these neighborhoods, you have left-wing groups come by all the time, knock on the door, they get a clipboard, they're taking surveys or telling people, you know, giving information or taking surveys.
How does a volunteer group, how do you go about and just form up under your own authority and just go door-to-door?
unidentified
Okay, so we are private citizens asking benign questions.
So that's how we're doing this, and I would challenge if anyone's gonna say that anything we're doing is not legal.
I mean, this is, I believe, a first right amendment, and we're concerned citizens.
steve bannon
Did anybody at the time, when you said that you were quote-unquote chased out of a certain precinct, were people coming to you and complaining at the time that this was intrusive?
Or when you went and knocked on the door, were people readily giving this information?
unidentified
Okay, so prior to that one incident, nine out of ten people actually thanked us for coming to their door.
This was just a one-off where we went into an area where there was a city council member there.
And basically through the, you know, through the network, it basically spread that the canvassers were there.
So I think people are kind of ready and waiting for us.
But that, that was a one-off situation.
Yeah.
So again, the majority of the time, the people are very thankful that we're coming to their doors.
steve bannon
Okay, so walk through what you found out in these precincts.
So then you extrapolate up, and I'll ask Captain Keschel, being the statistician from military intelligence, about that.
But walk us through just what you've actually found before, because it's got a very provocative and explosive headline about lost votes and ghost votes.
Just tell us what you actually found in the precincts that you were in.
in. Okay. By the way I want to put this I want to put the math on the precincts up on the on the screen.
Go ahead, ma'am.
unidentified
Sure.
Okay.
So understand that the number of people that we interviewed was equivalent to the size of a city of an average American city.
It was actually larger than the average American city.
So we have lots of people that we interviewed.
And here are the three major findings.
Okay.
The first one, and this is pretty major.
So 34.23% of the people That we canvassed.
Understand, we canvassed all registered voters.
We didn't just canvass the official record.
We went to everyone.
And 34.23% of people that we had a record of not having voted said, what do you mean?
I voted.
Yes, I did.
And that is one of our greatest findings.
Where did these votes go?
And that's why we're calling these lost votes.
So, when we extrapolate it, it is the equivalent of three Sun Devil stadiums.
Well, two and a half to three Sun Devil stadiums.
So, if you can imagine a Sun Devil stadium, which holds about 70,000 people, two and a half times that stadium is what we found just in Maricopa County, votes being lost.
steve bannon
So when you say the lost votes, this is people that are registered voters.
When you went to them and asked about whether they voted or not, they said they voted, but it was not logged in that they had voted, correct?
I just want to make sure we get the terminology correct.
Okay.
And we'll talk to people about the psychology of people saying, yeah, voted when maybe they didn't vote.
And that is just, give us the total aggregate number, I want to make sure people have, so when you say it's the size of a small American city or town, what's the aggregate number of people you actually knocked on doors and talked to or responded to?
unidentified
Sure, so we attempted 11,708 doors and the responses we got were from 4,570.
steve bannon
Okay, so under 50 percent but that's pretty good for knocking on the doors and getting a response.
So from that, you're saying a third of, basically a third of people that you talked to that were registered voters, and it was logged that they had actually voted, or had not voted, actually told you they had voted, and that's why you call them loss votes, correct?
unidentified
Correct, correct.
steve bannon
And that extrapolates up, on your math, to $173,000, just a Maricopa County loan, correct?
unidentified
Correct.
And we're being very conservative on that number.
steve bannon
Okay, I want you to hang for a second because we're going to come back and talk about ghost votes in a second.
We've got Liz Harris who runs a, heads up, a grassroots organization that independent, I want to make sure people understand, this was independent from the full forensic audit.
The full forensic audit, it was within the scope of work.
I want you to understand that.
It was within the scope of work to do this.
I believe, as history will show, I think you're going to see a complete ballot analysis and counting of the ballots.
When the report comes out either later this week or next week, I believe that they held off, this is just my belief, I think they held off on the canvas, and I think it's directly related to the DOJ's letter.
A letter that was meant to intimidate, well it didn't intimidate Liz Harris and her cohorts at this grassroots group.
Okay, short commercial break.
We've got Seth Kessel, we've got Liz Harris, we've got more work to do here.
We're also going to have Boris, Matt Brainerd, Jason Miller, all of it coming later.
Be back in a moment.
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I'm going to read this in a second.
I want to get to more math and more numbers.
I'm going to go back to the DOJ because Pamela Carlin, you may not like her.
She's not particularly likable, but they're very smart and they're very cunning.
This letter was sent on May 5th.
You know this letter was sent on May 5th?
They didn't want the president of FAN and the people they had hired to do a canvas.
They were petrified of a canvas on May 5th.
Okay?
They're implying criminal charges here.
It did not back off Liz Harris and a group of concerned citizens.
So I want to go now to Liz, to your ghost votes.
And people gotta understand, this is about a line of inquiry.
Right?
Is this imperfect?
Absolutely it's imperfect.
Liz Harris is not saying it's perfect.
But it shows you directionally a line of inquiry that has to be and will be, must be and will be drilled down on.
We're gonna have canvases.
And this is going to blow the left's head up.
Is this not the full forensic audit of the ballots?
A full forensic audit is tripartite.
Let me repeat this.
It's tripartite.
There's three pieces to it.
Number one, you've got to get to the ballots, get your hands on the ballots, and go through the ballots on a forensic check with all the analysis, also the folding of the envelopes, all of it.
Plus a good old-fashioned hard count.
Okay?
Number two is a canvas.
And a canvas is like, go back and check it all.
Okay?
And three is the machines.
And you got the machine guys and the wizards to do that.
And I've kept saying from day one, hey, God bless the machine guys.
I know people's heads blow up when I say this, but hey, that's for a higher level order brain than mine.
Okay?
But the good old-fashioned way on the ballot counting and canvas, and remember, Peter Navarro, who spent more time on this than anybody, it's the canvas, not the count.
That's Navarro's dictum.
And you can see this in this kind of shocking analysis that Liz Harris has done after they've gone out and knocked on what 11,000 doors and had 4,900 respondents.
Okay, still probably one of the biggest campuses around.
Just in Maricopa County. And Seth Kessler, when we get here in a second, remember all of this certified and approved by Republicans.
I just want everybody in the audience to understand that.
So tell us about ghost votes. You talked about lost votes.
Tell us about ghost votes.
unidentified
So Steve, if someone lived in your basement, your attic, your garage, your guest bedroom, I think you'd know about it, wouldn't you?
Well, we found an estimated 96,389 votes that came out of addresses where the mail-in ballots could not have possibly been cast by the voter that the vote was registered to.
And the way we got to this number is that 5.66 percent of all mail-in voters and overall there were 1.7 million mail-in voters. And when you take 5.66 percent of that number, you know, as Seth will confirm, that's how you get the estimate of 96,389 mail-in. And again, we're estimating on
steve bannon
the low side. But just walk me through...
The methodology, how you got to the, that it's, that it's not, there's nothing there.
What, because I understand you knocked on the door and talked to a person that was registered and some, you know, half, almost half of them or 45% were nice enough to say this and a bunch of them said, well, gosh, I actually did vote.
They didn't record that or it's not recorded.
Not who I voted for, but I actually did the fact of voting.
That's how you imply you impute your 173,000 in Maricopa County for the lost votes.
How did you get to the ghost votes?
unidentified
Let me give you a great example.
And this, this, um, this story is in our report.
Essentially we have someone who, um, lived in a home for, for decades.
And there was, um, someone registered to vote at her address that did not live there.
Okay.
And this woman received a mail-in ballot for this person in 2012, 14, 16, 18, and 20.
And what did this homeowner do?
She took the ballot and she wrote, does not live here, return to sender.
And she pushed the ballot back.
And that ballot was voted on.
Now this was not the homeowner, no fault of the homeowner and no fault of the phantom voter.
This vote somehow got entered into the system.
In 2020, this homeowner kept the ballot.
She didn't write return to sender.
And yet the data shows that in 2020 that mail-in ballot was returned when this homeowner still has possession of the ballot.
So Steve, my point here is that the phantom voters, it's not a phenomena of 2020.
This has been going on for years and years and years.
steve bannon
This is a good old-fashioned way they steal them.
By the way, this is why, ladies and gentlemen, if you want to see why there's going to be a firestorm in Fulton, I'm going to throw out two things randomly.
Fulton County tomorrow at the hearing in Pennsylvania about Philadelphia.
Under no circumstances, that's the hill they're going to die on.
Under no circumstances will they turn over the ballots or allow a canvas in Fulton to do this type of canvassing for ghost voters.
This is where Navarro gets the big numbers.
The big numbers comes right here.
Lost voters, you know, that's an area of inquiry.
It must be an area of inquiry because it brings up some intriguing issues.
But the ghost voters, hey, dead to rights there.
Seth Kessel, by the way, we've got two minutes here.
I'm going to keep you guys over to the top.
We're jammed up for time, but we've just got to go through this.
Seth Kessel, you got any summary here as we end the first hour of the show?
seth keshel
Yeah, that's why I went over the 12 races in Maricopa County that absolutely, given the numbers that Liz has just put out, can't be certified.
And that is not a partisan statement.
You know, honestly, if you're talking about lost votes or stolen votes at that magnitude, you're talking about people that also voted for Joe Biden.
You're talking about people that voted for Joe Jorgensen, not just Trump support.
This is not McSally support.
It's also Mark Kelly support.
So these numbers, you know, they're going to try and troubleshoot the statistical accuracy of these.
Understand that Industry accepted polls often have 500 participants and they give with them a margin of error, much like this is provided.
So these are, she has attempted contact with over one half of 1% of total voters in Maricopa County, about 1,200 and already uncovered in raw numbers, substantial wrongdoing and fraud.
So how on earth they can certify elections that tight, six races under 1% beside the presidency blows me away.
steve bannon
Yeah.
Hey, okay, we're going to take a break.
We're going to bring back Harris and Keschel.
By the way, Pamela Carlin's not dumb.
She understood it.
That's why on May 5th, on May 5th, she warned with criminal penalties.
Criminal penalties.
They understood the ticking time bomb of the canvas in Maricopa County.
Okay?
President Karen Fan and others, I think, smartly, at least for right now, focused on the ballots themselves.
Because I believe they thought DOJ was going to intervene and snatch the ballots.
That's what they're doing.
It's the canvas, not the count.
And DOJ is absolutely, absolutely petrified of this.
This is what they don't want you to see.
They don't want you to inquire.
I've got to tell you, we're going to canvas everywhere.
Fulton County, Philadelphia, all of it.
We're getting to the bottom of 3 November.
You can't go forward until you do.
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