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Episode 1,082 - Subversion At Every Level Of Government And The CCP’s Dangerous PlanEpisode 1,082 - Subversion At Every Level Of Government And The CCP’s Dangerous Plan
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Here's where we're heading.
Charlie Sykes in Pennsylvania.
Donald Trump's ally there, Mr. Mastriano, has requested two post-election audits.
To confirm the accuracy of the count there, Pennsylvania's Attorney General Josh Shapiro has been on this air affirming that the count has been confirmed multiple times, that every lawsuit against it was tossed out of court.
They're seeking sanctions against Rudy Giuliani and others.
All the same.
All those facts notwithstanding.
Here's what he says.
This investigation is not about overturning the results in either election.
The goals are to restore faith in the integrity of our system, confirm the effectiveness of existing legislation on the governance of elections and identify areas for legislative reform.
The only reason they have to restore faith in the integrity of our system is because they've destroyed it.
There is no voter fraud.
There were no voting irregularities in Pennsylvania.
I think there was a guy who had his dead wife vote for Donald Trump.
unidentified
No, and I, you know, you have to wonder whether or not he actually believes these things need to be looked at or whether this is just the way you bow the knee to Donald Trump.
This has become, again, the new litmus test.
steve bannon
Okay, we're here in the War Room live.
It's Thursday, 8th of July, the year of our Lord 2021.
MSNBC in a full and complete meltdown on Pennsylvania as the November 3rd, the 3 November movement starts to metastasize and spread throughout the country.
Shapiro, just moments ago, has actually started to throw down against Doug Mastriano and says the counties do not have to send So we're going to lead to subpoenas.
This is exactly how it started in Arizona.
So everybody take a deep breath.
They're going to have to go through a lot of court cases.
They're going to have to fire up.
Doug Mastriano, though, is leading there in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania to get a full forensic audit.
And don't believe for a second.
Yes, he says it's all to make sure we got voter integrity.
No, it's to get to the receipts, just like in Arizona, about the certifications of the electors.
In the Electoral College.
This is what Mike Pence, if Mike Pence hadn't been both a moron and gutless, we would have been doing this back in January when constitutionally we should have been doing it, but now that's back to the states, it's all a question about the certification of these electors and the senators.
Senators in Georgia, Senator Mark Kelly in Arizona, and hey, John James, I'm betting my money's on John James winning in Michigan when we finally get Get up there.
We're going to have DiPerno, Colbeck, others about Michigan later in the show, but I want to start today.
By the way, over 65 million downloads on the podcast.
We're live everywhere, including in Mandarin on G-News, G-TV, and blown through the firewall for Lao Bai Jing.
Of course, BBC, we're one of the lead stories today.
They're talking about the rise of the Chinese-American right, the hard right.
that are part of the Trump movement.
Of course, they call out the great Epoch Times, which is, I think, the best broadsheet newspaper in the country.
And of course, yours truly, The War Room and Myles Guo, GNews, GTV, has been being a purveyor of misinformation, rumors, conspiracy theories, etc.
We'll let the people out there in the audience, and particularly Chinese-Americans in the diaspora throughout the world, let them decide what the real information is, what's true and what's false.
I want to bring in now, if you think Pennsylvania's got their heads blown up because now they're getting into full meltdown, wait till Rachel Maddow sees our next guest in the next segment.
I want to bring in Eric Cardell, and Eric is part of the Thomas More Society, Phil Kline, the great We had him on so much during the recounts and everything that was going on.
Eric, you have focused on Wisconsin.
We have said on this show from the very beginning, Wisconsin is the lowest hanging of all the fruit.
That's what the mainstream media never wanted to talk about.
I asked Reince Priebus one time.
You know, Reince is a close friend of mine, a good guy, a colleague, not a fire breather.
I said, hey Reince, if we had to start Trump's impeachment trial with going through having Troupas, I think it is Judge Troupas, make the presentation about Wisconsin, he said people's heads would be blowing up.
So walk us through, Eric.
You've got some controversial news out of Wisconsin.
Walk us through what happened in Wisconsin.
What have you found?
unidentified
Right.
Thanks for having me on, Steve.
Thanks for acknowledging Thomas More Society and Amistad Project.
What we've discovered through our very careful investigation is that the Zuckerberg money went through Center for Tech and Civic Life, the Chicago organization, and then it ended up like $10 million of Zuckerberg money went to election administration in what they dubbed the Wisconsin Five Cities, Milwaukee, Madison, Green Bay, Kenosha, and Racine.
The three mayors of Racine, Kenosha, and Green Bay were all buddies, Democrats in the General Assembly, very politically astute, knew what they were doing.
And without anyone knowing, Racine passed a resolution taking $100,000 of Center for Tech and Civic Life money to apply for the $9 million.
And so, really, Center for Tech and Civic Life was designing a grant application, paying the mayors $100,000 for the signatures, All to affect election administration.
Now, if you listen to them, it was innocuous.
It's just about COVID pandemic.
When you read the Wisconsin Safe Voting Plan, which only applied to the Wisconsin five cities, I've identified about 25 contractual provisions, which basically distinguish between geography and between demographic groups for targeting votes.
And so you have a privately funded, government-administered plan to target votes in these urban areas and within those areas, historically, you know, underrepresented groups and so forth.
So they were targeting minorities, low-income people, and they were targeting certain geographies, the Wisconsin Five Cities, communities within the Wisconsin Five Cities.
And that's all unconstitutional under Bush v. Gore, the Sixth Circuit case that Obama won.
Where they said you can't favor one group for in-person voting over another.
And then Wisconsin statutes very carefully regulate absentee balloting so that you can't favor one group in absentee ballot solicitation over another group.
So it's a legal catastrophe.
You know, the courts should never be faced with this kind of a case because the government should never be this bad.
steve bannon
But here's the point is that, you know, Wisconsin, although a pretty liberal state in many regards, has very tight voting laws about early voting and mailing ballots.
We've had, you know, the commission with Knutson and people looking at how is it you guys are finding this out now?
unidentified
Why?
steve bannon
Why?
We're not a Republicans.
It's a Republican controlled legislature, but democratically controlled executive branch.
Why is this just coming up now?
And why is this such a shocking surprise to people?
unidentified
Well, I think that people on our side are just far too trusting of the government.
The government is basically the problem that needs to be solved.
The government doesn't represent the people anymore.
So the people have to declare, you know, leaders declare that they're the leaders, you know, in a populist moment and say, look, we're going to take charge.
And so my clients in each of these five cities, we had press conferences in each cities and they said, we're taking charge.
Our election officials can't violate the U.S.
Constitution.
They can't violate state statutes anymore.
And so that's the new thing, the populism, in a sense.
We're not going to defer to government when the government violates the law, violates election integrity.
And so this is just a perfect example of the people rising in the Wisconsin against this kind of abysmal performance.
Now, the Wisconsin five mayors are personally accountable.
They signed off on this Wisconsin state voting plan with these 20 plus provisions that specifically say We're going to increase turnout in our cities.
We're going to do it this way.
We're going to give these preferred services to give access to the in-person voting and absentee voting.
And the rest of Wisconsin was left behind.
I mean, the amount of money spent in the Wisconsin five cities was like $20 per voter.
In cities that didn't receive Zuckerberg money, it was like a dollar.
So why do we have first class citizens in the big cities and second class citizens everywhere else?
steve bannon
But here's my question.
People knew it at the time, right?
This was not hidden by anybody.
I mean, you guys had to go back, but it was obvious Zuckerberg had committed this money.
He was putting into these cities.
The reason he was putting in, he's a super progressive, was to drive out Democratic votes.
Why is this?
I think what the link people are having a tough time making is that Thomas Moore's been doing great work.
Phil Klein's been on the Zuckerberg thing from day one.
But why is this coming to a surprise to Republican officials in the state of Wisconsin?
We shouldn't be shocked by what you're finding.
I mean, it's shocking that it happened, but why is it you guys and why is it in July of 2021?
unidentified
Well, in the first instance, The federal courts weren't prepared for this attack on the federal election system.
So when we, uh, Thomas Morse Society Outside Project with Phil Klein as our leader, we, we filed the lawsuit in Wisconsin federal court.
We even took that case all the way to the U.S.
Supreme Court trying to get relief before the election.
And basically the U.S.
Supreme Court has admitted in other cases, we haven't figured out the standing thing.
We don't know how to give access to the federal court to preserve election integrity and federal elections.
So after the federal courts found there wasn't standing, we started looking at the state court proceedings.
Wisconsin has a good law where a voter can sue an election official for violating election law.
So we did that in each of the five cities.
We filed a lawsuit, filed a lawsuit, filed a lawsuit, filed a lawsuit, filed a lawsuit.
Now we're before the Administrative Tribunal, the Wisconsin Election Commission.
But our arguments are fantastic.
Now, the reason why it's taken a while for, let's say, the establishment Republicans to catch up, is because the left is so sophisticated with all these nonprofits, the Tides Foundation, Center for Tech and Civic Life, that this was so carefully calibrated to exploit a vulnerability in our system that it takes a lot of education, a lot of looking at it to figure it out.
But yeah, we got a debt to rights.
And I gotta tell your audience, you gotta trust the courts because we're fighting a battle over our culture, our democracy.
And if we lose the courts, we're lost.
We're not protected from prosecutors.
We're not protected from civil lawsuits by the government.
So we have to trust the courts.
And I think we're going to prevail in this one because the left put down everything in writing.
Can you believe that?
Private money to five Wisconsin cities to increase the vote.
I mean, what could be more wrong than that?
steve bannon
What could be more illegal?
I believe it because, Eric, they think that the Republicans are a bunch of pies.
If it's not for you guys raising some money from the common man and fighting this fight against long odds, against the money of Zuckerberg and the power of the Democratic Party and really the power of the state, They put it in writing because they think that this is controlled opposition.
People are just up there, a bunch of marshmallows.
Now you saw Knutson and some tough guys up there, but people have essentially rolled over.
Wisconsin's the most egregious.
We know the details.
We spent months on this thing.
As bad as Arizona is, the cesspool down in Georgia with those election officials in Fulton County, as bad as you're going to see it in Pennsylvania, and they're going to fight tooth and nail to keep it, Wisconsin is the most in-your-face and most egregious.
Eric, we've got to jump.
I need people, I need everybody to get access to your site to look at this.
We're going to spend more time on this tomorrow, the day's ahead, because this is going to now tip Wisconsin over the edge to get a full forensic audit to find out exactly what happened.
Eric, how do they get access to you at the Thomas More Society?
unidentified
Right.
ThomasMoreSociety.org and then the Amistad Project, also American Voters Alliance in Wisconsin, the Wisconsin Voters Alliance Facebook site with Ron Hoyer as president.
Thank you so much.
steve bannon
Hold it, Eric.
Do you have Getter or Twitter?
Any social media that people can follow you on?
unidentified
Yes, just search for Eric Cardall.
I'm on all those sites.
steve bannon
All those sites.
Eric, it's a great honor.
unidentified
I'm constantly blogging.
steve bannon
Okay, and how do they get to your blog?
unidentified
Mklaw.com.
M-K-L-A-W dot com.
That's the place to start and you can find the other sites there.
steve bannon
Okay, we're going to be all over this.
I'm telling you, Wisconsin's the next one in play.
And what happened there, you're right, it's illegal.
I actually think it's criminal.
I think it's criminal, what happened there.
Eric Cardall, you're a patriot, thank you very much.
The guy Phil Kline, the Thomas More Society, the Amistad Project, the Thomas More Society, these people have been fighters from the beginning.
People laughed at them.
They're bringing their receipts.
Okay, short commercial break, we got more receipts.
We got a communist hunter and fighter, Trevor Loudon and Sam Faddis.
What a duo that is.
people in the White House, the administration that have sold us out to the Chinese Communist Party better be are now on notice and they better be scared because Faddis and Loudon are coming for him in the war room next.
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Next, we've got a very disturbing segment here, so I want everybody to strap in and get ready for it.
But I gotta tell you, we're starting.
It's got Sam Faddis and Trevor Loudon.
Two hammers, okay?
We're bringing in the hammers.
I gotta ask Sam.
Sam, Pennsylvania, Doug Mastriano, the Attorney General Shapiro, who thinks he's going to be governor and thinks he's going to the White House on this, right?
He's already got his, he's already checking the drapes out in Pennsylvania Avenue.
Shapiro up there, the Attorney General, the incompetent Attorney General in Pennsylvania.
He's all over Mastriano.
Give us your assessment.
You've been part of this, this full forensic audit movement in Pennsylvania from day one.
Tell us where we stand.
unidentified
Well, what we have now is a glimmer of hope, right?
Senator Mastriano has started the ball rolling, and we may be moving in the direction of a forensic audit.
But here, I think, is the key for all patriots, right?
The establishment is not your friend.
The controlled opposition is not on your side.
If anything is moving in the right direction, it's because of pressure.
So now is not the time to sit down on the couch and open a bag of Cheetos.
Now is the time to double down on the pressure.
That you are putting on these people in Harrisburg.
The only reason we're going to get to an audit is because you make them go to an audit, not because they'll do it willingly.
steve bannon
By the way, Sam Faddis has got a career in the CIA as a guy in the field, not sitting there reading reports, a guy in the field.
So he knows what he speaks when he talks about controlled opposition.
Okay, I want to bring in now Trevor Loudon.
Sam is the editor and founder of And Magazine.
It's a mush read.
Trevor Loudon is an author, a filmmaker, and a hunter of communists and subversives.
One of the toughest guys I know.
I've known him now for 10-12 years.
Been fighting this fight all of his life.
Trevor, talk to us about what you're finding out now about the Biden administration and people in the Biden administration, either they've been compromised or have associations that are way too close to the Chinese Communist Party.
unidentified
Yeah, well, this is endemic.
You know, you'd think that somebody from the Chinese Communist Party was in charge of Biden's personnel, the number of people they're putting in there.
And that goes right to the Cabinet.
For instance, Deb Haaland, who is now Secretary of the Interior, who oversees 20% of the North American, of the United States landmass, and 20% of energy resources and mining, etc., was put in place by a bona fide member of the pro-Chinese Communist Party USA, a woman called Judith LeBlanc.
She arranged the entire campaign for this woman, And got it put into Biden's cabinet.
So this goes from low-level State Department appointees right through virtually every sector of the Biden administration is absolutely riddled with pro-Chinese operatives.
steve bannon
So, how did this happen?
You've spent your career looking at these subversives and people that have Marxist or Communist backgrounds.
How did we get in a situation where you have a new administration, and it looks like they've got cabinet members, they've got people in the West Wing, they've got people in EOB, and people spread throughout these agencies, including some of our most highly classified, like NSA, etc., that clearly have financial and business relationships with the Chinese Communist Party.
How did that happen, Trevor?
unidentified
Well, the Chinese Communist Party basically co-opted the right through money.
You know, they deliberately enticed a lot of Republican senators and congressmen and governors with financial dealings.
And so that's one side of it.
The left, the Democrats, they got through money and ideology.
You know, many of the Democrats have communist backgrounds, so they have a A natural lean towards Communist China anyway, and they don't think much of the United States.
They're not patriots.
And so they can be easily enticed through money, or ideology, or a combination of both.
And so that's pretty endemic in the US Congress right now, and the US Senate as well.
You know, the deep state goes right into the Congress and the Senate, and China is pulling a lot of the strings.
steve bannon
When you say ideology, can you just give an example of where someone in the Democratic Party, you know, as much as people, you know, dislike the Democratic Party, don't agree with their policies, except for the squad, people would be kind of shocked to know that there are people actually that share the ideology of a transnational criminal organization that is the Chinese Communist Party.
Could you cite some examples?
unidentified
Well, I would say Judy Chu from California, from the San Gabriel Valley.
She was serving on the Judiciary Committee until recently.
She was a longtime supporter of the Communist Workers' Party, a militantly pro-Chinese outfit.
That goes back to the 1980s.
She is still working with their people today, and she is making regular trips to China.
She's regarded as China's best friend in the U.S.
Congress.
And she just loves to attack the FBI when they occasionally arrest one of the more than 25,000 Chinese spies currently working in this country.
So she is very much on China's side, and she is one of the senior Democrats.
steve bannon
When you say 25,000 Chinese spies, you mean intelligence assets, or you mean people that are actually part of a... because I know the students have to sign things when they come here and have to say, hey, we'll give you any information.
But when you say spies, you mean people that are actually Chinese Communist Party, either PLA or state security members or operatives, more than just assets?
unidentified
Yeah, I would say that would be probably a fair number of operatives.
People closely connected to the PLA or the intelligence systems.
If you talked about assets, that would go on to the hundreds of thousands.
steve bannon
Hundreds of thousands of assets.
Let me bring in Sam Faddis here for a second.
So Sam, you've got this site up that people can go to, right?
I want to talk about the site, but walk us through the depth of the problem we have here in this Biden administration on how compromised these folks are and how can our audience, which is action-oriented, put their shoulder to the wheel and help you guys to root out these subversives, to root out people that have sold out their country.
unidentified
Right.
So the site is the public accountability initiative.org.
And Trevor and I kind of take point on putting content on there.
Look, a good example here is this guy, Thomas Zimmerman, right?
Who is special assistant to Joe Biden for personnel.
Maybe that sounds like a, you know, a meaningless title.
Not at all.
He basically vets all of Joe Biden's appointees to national security positions.
He is the overseer.
Everybody goes in a national security position.
Before taking this job, he was working with an outfit The Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences is what we would call in the business a cover mechanism for Chinese intelligence.
Intelligence officers obviously don't run around saying, Hey, I'm CIA, I'm Chinese intel.
They represent themselves at least initially as something else.
This is an entity that provides cover for Chinese intel officers.
In fact, it was the cover used by the Chinese when they recruited a guy named Mallory, who was a CIA officer.
And he actually began to formally spy for Chinese intelligence.
So the guy that now controls, oversees all national security appointments in the Biden administration just came from working with a known cover mechanism for Chinese intel.
That's where he's been.
So in addition to just sense of like inclinations, you don't actually know that he was not formally recruited by them.
You do not know that he is not.
steve bannon
But hang on, hang on a second.
We've got to ask both of you to stay over.
A guy that's a special assistant to the president for personnel has to have this thing, this quaint thing called a security clearance.
How does he have a security?
Forget all the other guys he can get in there, okay?
How does a guy like Thomas Zimmerman, Having work for a front organization of Chinese intelligence.
How does that guy pass the test to actually sit in either the West Wing or the executive office building, which is essentially part of the West Wing?
How is he on the White House campus as a special assistant to the president?
unidentified
How does he have a secure?
$60,000 question, right?
Because the answer is he should not have one.
He shouldn't be able to get a clearance to work in the cafeteria.
Okay.
Tell you what, guys.
Can you both stay over?
We're going to take a short commercial break when we return.
steve bannon
And yet he's in one of the most sensitive positions in the U.S. government.
We have people that have been on the payroll or taking money from the Chinese Communist Party around the Biden administration.
You saw the hard drive from hell, 100 Bidens.
You saw how openly the Biden family's compromised.
You know, I used to say about the hard drive from hell, you come from the poor, you come for the poor and you stay for the compromise, right?
They've sold out the country, they're always in business with the worst parts of the state, the state-owned industries of the Chinese Communist Party, purely in money laundering, influence peddling, and now you've got an endemic in the Biden administration.
Short commercial break.
Sam Faddis from the CIA, Trevor Loudon, the hunter of subversives and communists, next in The War Room.
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steve bannon
Okay, Trevor Loudon warned you that there are 25,000 Chinese Communist spies in this country.
The people have infiltrated every branch of the government.
You got many of these senior government people have been on the payroll of these institutions and companies directly tied or part of the Chinese Communist Party.
You have people that you got to question how they are in the personnel department.
For national security, understand how they even got the lowest level security clearance or any security clearance at all.
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Okay, I want to go back to Trevor Loudon.
Trevor, you've been doing this your professional life.
You're the best out there.
You literally are a hunter of subversives and communists.
Talk to our audience about what they need to do.
The stakes of this fight and what our audience needs to do, sir.
unidentified
Well, first thing, go to the accountabilityinitiative.org.
Check out what we're doing.
Don't just believe what we're saying.
Look, we're saying there are literally hundreds of subversives in the Biden administration that couldn't pass a background check to drive a school bus.
And they are the reason we have open borders.
They are the reason why the military is being gutted.
You know, China is getting ready for war.
Our military is getting ready for Mascara.
We're just being weakened in every way, economically.
This is the reason why the deep state had to take down Trump, because Trump was the only person standing in the way of the Communist Party of China.
So please go to the Accountability Initiative, get educated on some of these people, then Raising Mary Howell.
You know, it's an insane situation where you need a security background check to work in the Department of Agriculture in Nebraska, but you don't need one to work on the Homeland Security Committee, the Armed Services Committee, the Intelligence Committee, or in the White House.
And that is the situation in America today.
The Chinese Communist Party might as well be in the White House because they are controlling everything as though they are.
steve bannon
Trevor, real quickly, what's your social media?
How do people get to you to find out more about it?
We'll get the accountability side of it.
How do they get to you?
unidentified
Yeah, just traveloutand.com, but don't Google it because Google has forgotten my address.
Just put it in the face, at the top of the page in the search bar, or get me on Facebook.
I've been taken off Twitter, as you might have guessed by now.
So TrevorLoudon.com or just Trevor Loudon on Facebook.
steve bannon
We got to get you over to Getter.
OK, Sam Faddis, you talk to people, Patriots, about what they got to do in Pennsylvania.
Tell us again.
I want to know the name of the site.
We're going to put it in all the live chats.
But what do you need Patriots to do to have your back, put their shoulder to the wheel, make sure we drive these Marxists and communists out of our government?
unidentified
Yeah, well, let's start with this.
Everybody we're talking about basically is somebody who went through a confirmation hearing or is currently going through a confirmation hearing with the US Senate.
So you can start by talking to your US senators and pounding away at them and asking how it is that they continue to approve the appointment to key national security positions of folks who are compromised by our biggest enemy on the planet.
That'd be a great place to start.
steve bannon
And what's it...
Can you give us again the site we're going to put in the live chat?
Where should people go to check?
And by the way, I want people to go there and go there and read it.
Like Trevor said, read the information, see if it checks out to your minds and make your own decision.
They're putting up the information for you.
Sam, what is it?
unidentified
Theaccountabilityinitiative.org.
There are dossiers there, full dossiers.
They're all referenced.
There are footnotes.
Agree with you 100%.
Don't buy what we're saying.
Dig into it yourself.
You will see how horrible it is.
steve bannon
Okay.
Also, And Magazine.
How did they get to your social media?
How did they get to your great magazine?
unidentified
Everybody should go to andmagazine.com.
A-N-D magazine dot com.
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Thank you very much for joining us in the War Room.
Now I want to go to the editor of one of the, I think, best magazines out there, Crisis Magazine, also the author from Sophia Institute Press of a startling new book, Deadly Indifference, How the Church Lost Her Way and How We Can Reclaim It.
Guest is Eric Sammons.
Eric, thank you very much for joining us today in the War Room.
unidentified
Thanks so much for having me today.
This is great.
steve bannon
So listen, tell us, how did the church lose its way?
I think anybody that's a Catholic would say it's definitely lost its way.
How did it happen?
But most importantly, what do we got to do to take it back?
So walk us through first how we got in this situation, which is a debacle.
And then what can we do to take it back?
unidentified
Well, essentially, the church has started saying it doesn't really matter to be Catholic.
When I say the church, I mean Catholic leaders from the Pope on down.
acted in ways that made it seem that it doesn't really matter if you're Catholic.
So for most Catholics, they said, well, if it doesn't matter, I'm gonna leave.
And that's why we have millions and millions of people leaving the Catholic church.
And it really came about by this idea that all religions are equal, that Catholic leaders from the Pope on down, many bishops, they talk about other religions and only say what is good about them, what we share with them, but they'll never ever say anything about what might be false about them.
And of course, as Catholics, we believe other religions aren't always right.
They have falsehoods.
And so it became this very much this idea that it doesn't really matter what religion you are.
And so everybody became indifferent.
And so That led to a lot of people leaving the Catholic Church, in my estimation.
steve bannon
Hang on for a second.
Be specific.
How did they actually do this?
I mean, this is up to Vatican II.
You had a church here that was robust.
It was growing.
It was the backbone, the American Church was the backbone of the Catholic Church.
Catholic Church was growing.
We had just won World War II.
People were optimistic.
Then you had Vatican II.
What specifically did they do to kind of signal that, hey, all religions are the same and It doesn't matter if you follow Catholic doctrine or not.
unidentified
Well, in the 1960s, Vatican II itself, many of the documents themselves are very ambiguous in how they talk about other religions.
They only will say good things about them, and they suggest things that, in the plain reading, it sounds like it's okay to be those other religions.
It's okay.
You're going to be saved no matter what religion you are, which is just a radical concept when you look at the history of Catholicism, because the Catholic Church has always proclaimed it's the one true faith.
Only outside the Church there is no salvation.
That's a teaching of the Catholic Church.
Yet, all of a sudden, at Vatican II, they started saying, well, you could be saved by this, you could be saved by that.
And it wasn't just Vatican II, because Pope Paul VI in the 1960s, he started this whole idea of dialogue being the most important thing.
This is how we interact with the rest of the world.
No longer did we proclaim the Catholic faith, proclaim that Jesus is Lord.
Instead, now we just do a dialogue with everybody.
And if you know anything about our current pontiff, he loves to talk about dialogue and how dialogue is everything.
And it got to a point now where Pope Francis even, he gets upset when somebody tells him that they've converted, that somebody's converted to Catholicism.
Because we're only supposed to dialogue with them.
They're not supposed to convert to Catholicism.
And so it really was this quick shift in the 1960s where we just wanted to talk about, okay, these other religions are basically okay, and we're not going to say anything bad about them.
And I think it was just part of a whole effort in the 1960s.
Part of the people who fell for this were useful and idiots in the sense that they just went along and thought, oh, this sounds nice and pleasant.
But I do think, even at the highest levels of the Church, it was an effort to de-emphasize Catholicism and really make it where our proclamation was lost.
steve bannon
But why would the leaders of the Church, even for their own sense of power, I mean, one of the things in your book talks about this, that's pretty evident, in two millennia, the church has always had kind of a missionary zeal.
If you see, you know, the founding of the New World, right?
And the missionary zeal to go through, and then what we, you know, people, the missionaries go into Sub-Saharan Africa, and go into India, and go throughout Asia.
What happened in China?
Now you see in China, it's the evangelical Christians are on fire, and they've got a missionary zeal.
How did the church, and particularly leaders that have been in their own interest to at least keep the power structure, how did they kind of say, oh, you know, we shouldn't have a missionary zeal, or we shouldn't try to proclaim this, that we don't believe in it anymore.
How did that happen?
unidentified
Well, paradoxically, I think it was because they wanted worldly power.
I mean, the funny thing is what you just said was they had all this great standing in the world before Vatican II, before the 1960s, but I think they wanted more worldly power because the fact is, the more they say the uncomfortable things about Catholicism, like today would be abortion or something like that, The more they say the uncomfortable things, the more they're not going to be accepted in the halls of power.
It's like this ghetto mentality of like, we have to say these things to make people like us, or else we're not going to be invited to the balls.
We're not going to be invited to the cocktail parties in Washington, D.C.
And ultimately what does it just undercuts, though, Any authority that they have because the people in Washington, D.C., they're just like, oh, we can use the Catholic Church now to to push our agenda.
But we don't really care what they think.
They're just going to be our mouthpiece to the religious segment so that and you see that, of course, with our current president, with Biden and all that.
That's exactly what he does.
He just uses the Catholic Church for his own good.
And then he just dismisses it if it doesn't go along with him.
steve bannon
Okay, Todd, give us the remedy.
We've got a couple of minutes here.
Walk through, what do you think is the path to reclaim the Church?
unidentified
I think what Catholics have to do is they have to really understand and know their faith.
They have to know that The Catholic Church is the means of salvation and they have to work at the parish level because most of us don't have the ability to really impact bishops or the Pope or the Vatican or anything like that.
And I think it's a ground up thing.
We've gotten 60 years into this mess.
It's not going to be solved overnight.
So I think really what Catholics have to do is start talking in their parishes about the fact that Catholicism really matters, that we need to all be Catholic and urge your pastor to talk like that.
Because that's what happens most of the time is the pastor at most of these parishes They just talk about, hey, be nice, be friendly, and that's all that matters.
No, let's talk about salvation, let's talk about sin, let's talk about the need to be Catholic.
steve bannon
By the way, you've got this revolt now of these young priests that have had kind of a belly full of what the bishops are doing and this whole thing of not confronting Biden and not confronting these Catholics and quote-unquote Catholics in the Democratic Party that support, you know, the abortion program, etc.
Do you think that these young priests are the tip of the spear of a true revolt against this decline in Catholicism?
unidentified
I think it really is.
I think the Vatican is going too far and the bishops are going too far.
They've been just obeyed and told to do whatever they tell you for so long.
And finally, a lot of faithful Catholics are just fed up with it.
And a lot of these faithful Catholic priests who've done nothing wrong other than be faithful are getting sidelined.
I have one coming on next week on my podcast to talk about it.
And so they're finally saying, this is ridiculous.
We can't do this.
We're not supposed to have just blind obedience to unjust commands.
And that's what's happening.
And so my hope is that a lot of the, especially younger priests, younger lay people, realize we have to really take back the Church, and we really have to be a voice that says, we really believe this stuff.
You may not believe it, but we believe in Catholicism, and so we're going to really push it out into the world.
steve bannon
Eric, how do people get the book?
It's Deadly Indifference.
How do they get the book, and how do they find out about your writings, and how do they follow you on social media?
unidentified
The best way to get it is at sophiainstitute.com, sophiainstitute.com.
I'm on Twitter still until they kick me off, Eric R. Sammons.
I heard you mention Gitter.
Somebody literally told me about it yesterday for the first time.
I just set up an account this morning, but I haven't done anything with it.
But Eric R. Sammons on Twitter, and my website's ericsammons.com.
steve bannon
By the way, Crisis Magazine is fantastic.
Everybody should go to Crisis Magazine.
It's absolutely amazing.
It's brilliantly written and obviously brilliantly edited, sir.
So thank you, Eric Sammons.
You're doing the Lord's work, sir.
Great book.
Okay, Deadly Indifference and also Crisis Magazine.
We're trying to give you tools, access to information, the things you need to make the important decisions in your life for you, your family, your community, and your country.
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They continue to be into these meme stocks, particularly AMC.
You'll meet one of the apes next in the War Room.
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Breaking news out of Wisconsin.
We're just hearing that Bishop Callahan has actually cancelled Fr.
Altman.
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Fr.
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Altman was supposed to be on the show the other day.
We had a technical problem.
We couldn't get a Skype to work.
But Fr.
Altman has been banished and thrown out of his parish in Wisconsin.
We're going to try to get Fr.
Altman on in tomorrow morning's show.
Outraged.
That was the young priest we were talking about.
Father Altman's one of the leaders in the last segment of these young priests that are trying to reclaim the tradition of the Catholic Church.
Bishop Callahan has announced that they are banishing Father Altman from his parish immediately.
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Okay, now I want to bring in one of the most important things that is happening in this populist movement globally.
And I want to thank the great Tim Poole.
If you haven't had a chance to watch Tim Poole's show, you definitely ought to watch it.
Just a fantastic individual.
Has a great collection of guests all the time.
Jack Posovic's been on there.
I spent a couple hours with him a couple of weeks ago.
It was fantastic.
Great audience, great audience response.
Tim's got a big following of what's called the Ape Army.
These are these individuals, people that come from every walk of life.
The little guy, right?
Essentially, they've gotten into these stocks and started to support American companies by this radical strategy called buy and hold.
I want to introduce you now to one of the apes.
They call themselves the Ape Army because they use it because they're called, oh, they're dumb apes.
They're dumb.
They don't know what they're doing.
But all these sophisticated hedge fund guys and the people have been shorting these companies and trying to destroy these companies.
I want to bring in Samantha.
Samantha's a songwriter, part of the Ape Army.
She's written some songs about the apes.
But Samantha, one of the things most people want to know, because they're just coming to understand this, what are you guys actually doing and how did you become part of this community?
I take it you were not a stock trader or somebody who's deeply involved in the world of finance or economics.
How did you become part of the Ape Army?
How did you get into this community?
unidentified
Um, I actually came into this community because my husband invested in it at first.
He saw what happened with GameStop and how they were trying to knock that out.
And as a generation where we grew up with GameStop and we had to go get games, there wasn't, you know, the computers and downloading and everything at the time.
Um, but he showed me some stuff and he was talking to them all the time.
And at first I, I didn't know anything.
I didn't want to be a part of it.
I didn't understand.
Then I pawned him off and I said, here, go talk to your new boyfriends and girlfriends.
I got to talk to one of them in a chat one time.
They were talking about eating Red Crayons, and I was like, no, I will make you all spaghetti when we go to Vegas and have our big party.
And, you know, just from there, the positivity and the energy I felt from them, I just knew that this was the right movement to get involved in, and I'm just really happy to be a part of it.
steve bannon
So, tell us the objective.
What is the objective, outside of making money?
What are the objectives of the APE Army?
You're continually criticized by the Wall Street Journal, by CNBC, by Charlie Gasparino, all your bettors.
You people are idiots.
You don't know what you're doing.
You should sell these stocks.
Now you've been labeled racist, misogynist, disruptive to the markets.
You're stock manipulators.
Everything that's bad about Wall Street, they've put on you.
What are the apes trying?
What's your objective?
What are you people trying to accomplish?
unidentified
We're trying to make it so they can't take down the things that we've grown up with.
You know, they've bankrupted Macy's in the past, JCPenney, all kinds of businesses that we grew up with personally, and all we want to do is save them.
You know, most of the first dates happen at the movies.
You go to the movies with your kids when big, you know, cartoon movies come out, and streaming's cool and all, but it's not the same experience, and we just want to save You know, these businesses that have been around our whole lives.
steve bannon
So these hedge funds that have shorted these stocks and kind of naked short them get caught into these jams.
And when you have this as many apes and people say you have up to 4 million people that are part of this buy and hold, it puts tremendous pressure on these companies.
What about if the hedge fund said, hey, we understand you have these romantic notions of Macy's and romantic notions of AMC, but through creative destruction is just the way the economic process works.
Things get destroyed and we're just, it doesn't, just because we're shorting the stocks and bringing them to a quicker death, doesn't mean what we're doing is wrong.
Why do you guys continue to buy and hold these stocks against all this opposition on Wall Street and all the opposition in the media?
Why you guys continue to do it?
unidentified
Because we just want, we just want them around.
It's really simple.
We just want to have that, that, Certain business around for the rest of our lives, you know, it's super important to us.
It's super important to all these people.
Plus, if we bankrupt this, there's so many people are going to lose their jobs.
And it's just going to create another problem with our economy.
And we just, we don't want that.
We just want to save it for everybody and just spread the positivity about it.
It's a great thing to go and watch a movie.
It's a great thing to go buy games at a game store.
And it's a totally different experience than downloading it.
steve bannon
Talk about the positivity in these communities, in these chat rooms where you guys go about, you teach.
I've been pretty surprised at the sophistication of many people.
We had Brittany Avery on, for instance, who looks like she's a pretty sophisticated trader now from what she's learned in these chat rooms.
And we've got about a minute.
Talk to us about the community.
What do you guys teach each other?
unidentified
We teach each other to be strong and positive.
And all we ever do is lift each other up.
I have 12 years clean.
I've been off drugs and alcohol for a long time.
And, you know, when I had my clean day, I went to Twitter.
I opened a space and I thought no one was going to come and no one was going to care.
But they just, all the Apes, they just pour out love and positive energy.
And I'm all for that.
My language, I like to say my love language is love because that's what it is.
If you spread positivity, I'm going to follow you wherever you go.
And we don't want to hurt nobody.
We don't want to judge nobody.
We don't want any of that.
We just want to be a community of just simple people.
Who are just trying to make something good out of a situation that's not very good right now.
steve bannon
Samantha, if people have an interest, what would you recommend?
What's the first step they should take to try to just learn more about this?
unidentified
Go to Twitter.
Go to Twitter.
Tara Bull, she's one of our big people.
She hosts a room almost every weekday.
We call it Power Hour.
And there's all kinds of beauty there.
There's all kinds of information that people are going to share with you.
Kind of guide you in the right direction.
We're never going to push on you to invest in our stock, but we'll explain to you why you should.
steve bannon
Samantha, thank you very much for joining us.
A great honor to have you and all the apes into the War Room.
What you're doing is quite different.
It's the little guy basically standing up to the big corrupt and incompetent institutions in this country, particularly Wall Street, where they don't come any more incompetent and they don't come any more corrupt.
Thank you very much for joining us here in the War Room.
Tomorrow, more explosive news we're going to be revealing about this whole 3 November movement.
In addition, we're going to try to track down Father Altman, make sure we get him on.
He's just been dismissed from his parish in Wisconsin by the Bishop of Wisconsin.
We'll have more breaking news tomorrow.
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