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Episode 984 – Doug Ducey’s Petty Dictator Move and Another Smoking Gun on Dr. FauciEpisode 984 – Doug Ducey’s Petty Dictator Move and Another Smoking Gun on Dr. Fauci
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Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world.
You don't want to frighten the American public.
France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans.
But you need to prepare for and assume.
Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China.
That this is going to be a real serious problem.
France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on.
Health officials are investigating more than a hundred possible cases in the US.
Germany, a man has contracted the virus.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus.
Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500.
anthony fauci
We have to prepare for the worst, always, because if you don't and the worst happens, War Room.
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Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome to The War Room.
It's Friday, the 28th of May, the year of our Lord 2021.
You're in The War Room from the nation's capital.
We're live.
Explosive news coming out of Australia by Sherry Markson, the lead investigative editor at The Australian, the big newspaper there.
Over the weekend, she's going to be live with us at the bottom of the hour, I guess, about guess who?
Tony Fauci.
Explosive smoking gun type of revelations coming from Australia for the top reporter that's been on this from the beginning.
Also got Dr. Peter Navarro.
But breaking news out of Arizona as we start.
Captain Bannon, what do we got?
maureen bannon
Ducey Vito's 22 bill says nothing will be signed until budget is approved.
The list of bills included legislation to ban certain kinds of anti-racism training for government employees, a bill that would make it a felony for election officials to send early ballots to voters who didn't request them, and a bill that makes make it easier for some low-level sex offenders to remove their names from the state's sex offender registry.
steve bannon
I don't get this.
We're going to bring in Mark Fincham, who's in the House of Representatives, a delegate out there from Southern Arizona, Oro Valley.
Mark, what is going on?
He just vetoed 22 bills, including the thing about critical race theory, a major bill, it looks like, that you guys have haggled about and fought over on stopping election fraud, election integrity.
What is going on?
Is Ducey off the chain right now?
mark finchem
This is like a man-child temper tantrum.
I mean, this is, we need to remember, Steve, that back in January, the Republican leadership, and I'm talking about the state committeemen, two-thirds of them voted to censure this governor for his behavior on a number of levels.
We've got a couple of situations going on.
He vetoed a bill that would have prohibited the teaching of critical race theory to government employees.
That is absolutely outrageous.
Then we go on to a budget that's got so much pork in it, you'd think we were going to a barbecue.
The Arizona House of Representatives has one singular responsibility, the most important of which is appropriations.
We're the ones who are supposed to be winding the purse strings of the voters and the taxpayers purse.
And with our partners in the Senate, we've tried to put a budget together, but he insists on giving big fat gifts to some of his cronies.
We've called it out.
Members have said we're not going to do a budget as long as some of this garbage is in it.
So now in retribution, he decides to veto bills that have to do with election integrity, teaching critical race theory.
So to say he's off the chain, I'm not quite sure I'd use that term, but he certainly doesn't seem to care about the policy setting body, which is the House of Representatives and the Senate, the Arizona legislature.
steve bannon
I want to emphasize for everybody, he is head of the Republican Governors Association, the group that just, he gave the bums rush to the great Mike Lindell that went down there to confront Ducey and Kemp.
And he helped get Kemp the head of the Election Integrity Committee.
This is such insider baseball.
This is so ridiculous and so offensive.
What are the folks, this just happened this afternoon, what are the good folks, the Patriots in Arizona?
That have been at the cutting edge of taking over the school boards, the moms, the cutting edge of the mask, the forced vaccination, the teaching of critical race theory, signing up to be precinct committee men.
You got Dan Schultz, a great patriot out there at precinctstrategy.com.
You've got the new Concord Bridge, which is the convention center down there.
Patriots grinding through.
in this kind of laborious work to get to the bottom of November 3rd that has inspired the entire nation.
It's now all over.
I could talk all afternoon about what's happening in New Hampshire, Michigan, inspired by working-class and middle-class patriots in Arizona.
What now is to become of this since Ducey is clearly throwing down the gauntlet to the patriot movement out there and saying, hey, look, I need my budget with all the crony capitalism in it, and I don't care about any of the issues you care about.
What's going to happen, Fincham?
mark finchem
Well, Steve, I would add to this the idea that we still have, to this day, we still have an ongoing emergency health care declaration that allows him to continue to pull down federal taxpayer dollars and hand that cash out willy-nilly to whatever programs he chooses.
This is an absolutely outrageous action.
And I might add, That we are recessed until June 10th, partly because of the holiday, the Memorial Day holiday, but also to give us time to regroup and see what we can do to renegotiate a budget that apparently is blown up.
We don't have to have a budget until July 1.
We've got basically 30 days yet to do a budget.
So for him to do something like this is beyond the pale.
He is attempting to act as a petty dictator, which by the way, that seems to have been his MO since the first of the year.
Now he's probably going to send his folks over to my office and express his discontent with me.
But at this point, we got to see some leadership.
So, I know that there are a number of people that have threatened to recall.
Up to this point, I've tried to be one of those people staying on the sidelines saying, hey, I don't think we should be recalling a Republican governor.
I think that that is beyond the pale.
But at this point, if he doesn't care about poisoning our children's mind with critical race theory, if he doesn't care about protecting the apparatus of the state government and not having it infected with this bigoted training, I just, I can't defend a man anymore.
steve bannon
Mark Fincham, how do people follow this?
How do they follow you on social media?
Because this is going to be exploding, I'm sure, over the weekend.
mark finchem
Well, you can find me out on Gab at AZ Honeybadger.
You can probably find a lot of this out on Telegram.
I'll try to keep up on it.
I'm in Nashville for, you know, family events.
You can find me at Mark Fincham AZ out on Telegram.
And then, of course, on Parler and If people want to get my journal, we're going to try and get a special edition of the journal out.
They can write to Mark Fincham at me.com.
But we're calling on Arizona patriots to just let the governor's office know this is unacceptable behavior by an adult.
steve bannon
Mark Fincham, thank you very much.
I appreciate it.
Thank you, Steve.
Just remember, he was the guy on Fox's roundtable the other night, sitting up there with Hannity, right?
Head of the Republican government.
This shows you the rot.
You know, Paul Ryan and Ducey are examples of the rot in the Republican Party that had to be broomed out of here.
It's got to end.
It's just unacceptable.
maureen bannon
I mean, there's a picture of Doocy with Cindy McCain, so we know where that lies.
steve bannon
And he thought he had a great political career.
He's a huge McCainite.
The whole thing's got to be broomed out.
It's got to start over.
And by the way, I think they should have recalled him back months ago.
Peter Navarro.
I want to bring in Dr. Peter Navarro.
We've got so much to go through.
We've got so much on this cover story of National Review on the fall of Dr. Fauci that we've got to get to a great report from the team over at National Review.
Two cover stories in a row, by the way.
National Review had one on the Navy last week that was fantastic.
I've got to get to that.
First off, I've got to hear your ideas and thoughts on the situation in Arizona.
You have spent so much of your own personal time going through and looking at and inspired the country and helped Rudy in his conferences and when he would go and do these reports and had these hearings.
Right in these different states.
But to see Doocy do this now, Peter, which, you know, we know from Rudy, he wouldn't even take a meeting with Rudy Giuliani.
He would not take a meeting with the president's representatives.
Here's the kind of guy Doocy is.
He's calling up and trying to get all the time when Trump's come up in 2020.
And you see the 96-mile car caravans around Tucson, Duceys all over them, calling Rudy, calling everybody, trying to get on the stage of Trump, trying to see the reflective glory of Trump.
Then when you have to sit there and stop the steal, Ducey's nowhere to be found.
Typical McCainite, typical establishment.
He's head of the RGA.
And he just vetoes 22 bills that these guys have been grinding on.
Critical race theory, protecting small kids from predators, all this because he can't get a crony capitalism budget in there.
Before we turn to the Biden finance situation, economy, Dr. Peter Navarro, your thoughts?
peter navarro
A little Shakespeare.
I mean, there's something rotten there in the governor's mansion.
I think you've hit it right on the head, Steve.
And we've talked about this.
There's a strong McCain wing in the Republican Party in Arizona and it was the McCain wing that got into bed with the Democrat Party there and facilitated this deal.
It's the reason why the Maricopa County Republicans have been so reluctant To provide any kind of comfort to what needs to be done.
Let's remember Steve always when we talk about this now.
It's not just that the election was stolen.
The White House was stolen by the Democrats.
They also stole the Senate because that one seat alone, that one Senate seat in Arizona, which was stolen, would effectively stop Joe Biden and the squad and the crazies from doing everything that they're trying to do right now.
I'm telling you, the bitterness of John McCain and his people, I still remember that maniacal two thumbs down on the repeal of Obamacare, which was done not for any reason related to policy.
Let's be clear about that.
It was simply to stick it to Donald J, right?
And I think they're still doing that there.
And Ducey has no political future, which means that somehow these corporate Multinationals are the ones that he's serving now, but this is tragic.
I mean, the veto of all those bills, I mean, some of those things they're doing, it's just a bad day going into Memorial Day to have to deal with Ducey.
steve bannon
Okay, I want to talk about people's future, and particularly their economic future.
You were the first one to call this.
You were the first one to say, hey, we're going into an era of stagflation, and here's why we're doing it.
The Daily Mail, everybody's got this explosive story of what Biden delivered today, and the assumptions in Biden's policies.
You can see he looks at high debt, high leverage, slow growth.
You were pretty shocked when you started going through the numbers.
You called me up and go, man, he's not even close to 3% growth.
Walk our audience through exactly what this budget implies for what Biden and his policies think of what the future is going to be.
peter navarro
The top line number is over 3% inflation.
The highest it's been since 1992.
That's the core rate, Steve.
That's what matters.
Core is X food and energy.
So we're off to the races here.
Let's make no mistake about it.
During the eight years of Obama Biden, they doubled the national debt from 10 to $20 trillion.
Biggest Keynesian stimulus in world history, and it only got us 2% growth per year with stagnant wages, right?
We come in.
Ran on a platform, the four points of the compass, the tax cuts, the energy dominance, the fair trade, and add to that the increased defense spending, we were able to increase the growth rate by 50%.
In other words, we got up to 3%.
But more importantly, for the deplorables, and now Beijing, we got rising wages for blue collar Americans, right?
So if you simply deconstruct what Joe Biden is doing, He's basically taking all five points of that compass, right?
And he's basically rolling all of that back.
So as he does that, he peels away, Steve, point by point of GDP growth.
Now, what does that mean?
It means that as you have slower growth, you have a higher budget deficit because you're not generating the revenues that you need.
And that requires you to issue more bonds.
And when you have to issue more bonds, that drives up the interest rates, which feeds into the inflation.
So we're going to have a wreck in the bond market.
We're going to have a wreck already in the labor market.
And at some point, the only reason why the stock market's going up right now is because it's the only place to go, right?
Because there's no way to generate any profits with bonds, right?
At some point, it all falls apart at once, okay?
It's good till it isn't, in this case.
So that's my economic forecast.
Yeah.
It's like, I saw like, the arm sales!
Hang on one second.
steve bannon
Hang on one second.
peter navarro
Go.
steve bannon
Let's take a short break.
We're gonna get to all of it.
Take a short break.
Dr. Peter Navarro will return with Captain Maureen Bannon and Stephen K. Bannon in the War Room.
Be back in a moment.
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Dr. Navarro, You know, I hate schooling guys from across the river over at the... you went to the poet school over there at Harvard College from the business school.
You buried the lead, dude.
It's not just... the audience has to understand this about your future financial well-being.
It's not just... and people say these budgets don't count.
They're all just symbolic.
Well, hey, the appropriation bill, the spending bill is going to count.
It's not just the radical spending.
The buried lead in this thing is when they talk about how is it financed.
You've got three ways.
You either sell bonds, government bonds, to the Japanese insurance companies, to the Gulf Emirates, and to the Chinese.
Or you raise taxes.
Or, quote unquote, the public buys the bonds.
That's just a classy way of saying you print money.
And in this, you're exploding over 100% on publicly held debt.
No country in history Has ever returned.
When it goes above GDP, no country in history has ever returned.
We're getting close to the point of no return and Biden and these radicals around him are going off this cliff with a pedal to the metal.
Peter Navarro, of all the warnings you gave on Wuhan, of all the warnings you've given about election fraud, You're warning as an economist about stagflation and what's going to happen.
You see it in the inflation numbers.
You see it in the employment numbers.
You see it in the price numbers.
You see it in their own model when they're not calling for growth.
You've called this shot, and I'm telling you, we're going to reach a point very quickly.
We can't reverse this.
Dr. Navarro.
peter navarro
Stagflation, for your audience, is simultaneous recession and inflation.
It's what we had in the 70s.
And from an economist's point of view, trying to fix things, it's unfixable.
It's the worst possible world.
Because if you try to use Keynesian tools to get you out of the recessionary part of stagflation, all you do is increase the inflation, right?
And then if you try to control the inflation, By tamping down on the breaks, you basically make the growth worse.
And that's why we saw in the 70s, you see, it started with Nixon early 70s.
By the time we got to Jimmy Carter, we had interest rates at 20%.
I mean, can you imagine going out and trying to get a mortgage at a 20% rate or bonds?
I mean, this is where we're headed, Steve.
We're headed there because there's no Reality now touch with the kind of money that the Biden administration wants to throw out there.
And you're absolutely right.
The people who wind up paying for this are the deplorables, right?
Inflation, as they say, is the cruelest tax, right?
Your paycheck.
But everything that Biden is doing right now means that your your real wages ain't going up anymore.
OK, that's done.
That happened during the Trump administration only.
Right.
And so Basically, your wages are stagnant and prices are just going to go up and you're going to take it in the shorts because the people in the White House, two things, they don't know what they're doing and they think it's free money and they want to redistribute some money over here to their little causes over here.
So we're not going to, and I told you Steve, The stock market's fine.
It's kind of like the Chinese, right?
It's like they're the most rational in the world until they aren't.
The stock market is the most bullish in the world until it isn't.
And it's all going to come crashing down at some point.
steve bannon
Okay.
And people out there, Drudge says, oh, it's going to be the summer.
Yeah, people, the short term, particularly over the summer, hey, maybe you're going to go on the vacation, hotels will be full, but trust me, there's a firestorm, a prairie fire already lit.
Captain Bannon, tell me about COVID on the House.
A lot of activity today over on Capitol Hill on this, on the CCP virus.
maureen bannon
Republicans upped their demands for an investigation into the origins of COVID-19 as House members were set to introduce two new COVID-related bills.
One that would allow victims' families to sue China, and another that would set up a 9-11-style commission to look into the origins of the pandemic.
steve bannon
Correct me if I'm wrong, Dr. Peter Navarro, you're in the White House, the assistant to the president.
I think I heard every day, Peter Navarro's running around, he's got a presidential commission, hang on, he's got a presidential commission, he's got the top people in the government, the top people outside.
Why are we sitting here in May with a bunch of House Republicans with no power?
I love what they're doing.
Why do we not have a presidential commission on this, sir?
peter navarro
Steve Mnuchin, Larry Kudlow.
Steve, this was the big one that got away.
There were a lot of things, had a lot of fights in that West Wing with the globalists, the elitists, that didn't do what President Trump actually wanted to get done, okay?
But of everything, back in August of 2020, I had a beautiful presidential commission To set up.
It was going to look at the origins of the virus.
It was going to estimate all of the costs.
Yesterday I said it was over 20 trillion.
We were going to get reparations.
And the third thing, and I hope the Congress puts this in there as well, we were going to look at how China is exploiting, exploiting the crisis to advance its geopolitical ends, whether it's in Hong Kong or Taiwan or anywhere in between.
So if Congress needs a good bill, I've got it already written up.
Pompeo loved it.
I had some support.
But Steve friggin' Mnuchin and Larry friggin' Kudlow, these people were poison in that administration.
I'll be telling that whole story at some point.
But today, I'm telling you that that commission would have both saved lives and saved the presidency.
We would have had a second term just with that alone.
And we left it on the table.
Shame on Mnuchin and Kudlow.
steve bannon
Okay, I've got to pivot now.
National Review cover story, The Fall of St.
Anthony Fauci by Michael Brendan Dougherty.
You've got to get this.
You've got to read it.
Go online right now to the National Review.
It's a blockbuster.
I want to talk about, there looks like a lot of knowledge in this piece, Peter.
You've read it.
Tell me what you think about it.
peter navarro
All right, so it's perfect in terms of taking him down.
I want to show you something real quick here because it's in this article of the part of it, the Fauci body count.
I'm going to say this contingent on whether some facts are true.
But I could argue that Fauci is both the biggest mass murderer in history and also a serial killer.
And what I've got on the board here is three things, right?
It's documented.
Sean Strub, who was an AIDS activist and a scholar, calculated that because Fauci wouldn't allow a set of drugs to help for pneumonia for gay people, 13,000 Gay men died needlessly because of Anthony friggin Fauci.
For the second line item, Steve, this one is the hydroxychloroquine issue, which I fought him tooth and nail in the Situation Room and elsewhere.
I was sitting on 60 million tabs, 60 million tabs of hydroxychloroquine at FEMA that I could send out.
That's enough to treat 4 million infected Americans.
And based on the studies we know, that would have likely saved 20,000 to 40,000 lives.
steve bannon
So there's 20,000 to 40,000 Americans... Okay, hang on.
Full stop.
Full stop.
Because you're getting pretty provocative here.
I just want to make sure we get some balance, okay?
peter navarro
If hydroxychloroquine works in early treatment...
Fauci's responsible for 20,000 to 40,000 American lives lost.
steve bannon
Hang on.
Slow down.
How do you know this?
This is one of the most controversial... Look, I'm a hydroxy guy, but how can you sit there and say that you got assigned the desk on a hydroxy?
What scientific, data-based, evidence-based studies, Mr. Harvard PhD, are you putting forward to back up your claims?
peter navarro
I wish I could have Dr. Steven Hatfield come in right now and show you over a hundred studies now and all the metadata analysis.
There's no question at this point, Steve.
Zero question in the scientific community that hydroxychloroquine works in what's called early treatment.
In other words, if you take hydroxy within the first five days, seven stretching it, that it will reduce the mortality rate as well as the severity of symptoms.
And based on what we know about how much that mortality rate would be reduced, it's a simple math problem.
If I've got 60 million tabs that will treat 4 million people, because you have to give like 12 or so tabs to each person over a period of five days, and we know that the mortality rate falls by a certain amount, then we know that the people who were infected, that many lives would have been saved.
And that's anywhere from 20 to 40,000.
Okay?
If hydroxy works, Fauci was responsible for 20,000 to 40,000 more bodies.
Remember, that's in addition to the 13,000 in the AIDS epidemic.
And of course, if the virus came from the Wuhan lab and was genetically engineered using gain-of-function weaponization tools by people who got grants from Tony Fauci at the Wuhan lab, either directly or indirectly, you get another million or so bodies to the Fauci body count.
He says he's had nothing to do with it.
Mask murder and serial killer, if those things are true.
steve bannon
Okay, we're going to have Sherry Markson on next from the Australian, from the She's one of the top investigative reporters in the world.
She's got a global book deal with HarperCollins.
Her book comes out in September.
It's called What Happened in the Wuhan Lab.
Pretty to the point.
She's got explosive news that just went up in the Australian.
She's going to be here about Dr.
Anthony Fauci.
One thing I noticed that's interesting, The Hill had a story today that says Fauci refutes, pushes back on Rand Paul.
And it came up, right before it came on the show, it said, been up for 30 minutes.
When he punched in, it's the story from May 11th.
Hey Hill, what are you doing?
Are you reprocessing?
Are you doing the wash, rinse, repeat in defense of Tony Fauci?
At least have the courage to say it's a story from three weeks ago when Rand Paul was lightening him up.
This is the media.
Led by the Hill and others that are trying to cover for Anthony Fauci.
It's not going to work anymore.
Those days are over.
Not just the cover story in Nashville Review.
You got Sherry Markson.
The walls are closing in.
Short commercial break.
We're going to go to Australia.
We've got Sherry Markson from Sky News and from the Australian, the investigative reporter, Captain Maureen Bannon.
Of course, Dr. Peter Navarro.
All of it in the War Room.
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steve bannon
Okay, the cover story of the National Review is The Fall of St. Andrew.
Anthony Fauci by Michael Brendan Dougherty.
Peter Navarro has been analyzing that.
We're going to turn in a second to one of the top investigative reporters in the world that's got a massive story with all types of leads in it.
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Before I pivot about Fauci again, big breaking news out of Atlanta.
The Ray Lewis attorneys, the criminal defense attorneys that got Ray Lewis off in one of the most controversial cases of, I guess, the last 20 years.
Have been retained by the authorities, the government down there in the voting analysis, the forensic audit.
That's all been put off a couple of weeks because they retained not just white collar criminal lawyers, but retained some of the top smash mouth criminal lawyers, not FEC, not election lawyers, criminal lawyers, and not just any criminal lawyers.
Some of the best in the nation and some of the ones that play most smash mouth.
Maureen Bannon, how does that strike you?
maureen bannon
That's what we call a tell.
You don't need to hire top criminal defense attorneys unless you've done something very criminal.
steve bannon
I want Ari Melbourne to do it.
I want Ari Melbourne, Joy Reid, Chris Hayes, Mary Traumata to be grabbing on that one today.
Tell us what you think about that when they've got to retain criminal lawyers.
Okay, I want to go now to Sherry Markson.
I'll tell you somebody else I'll be looking for a criminal lawyer.
I won't say it's St.
Anthony Fauci.
Far be it from me to even imply that.
This story, Sherry, thank you so much.
Lead investigative reporter, editor at The Australian.
You've got your own show on Sky News.
You've got the book coming out on a global release by HarperCollins.
What happened in the Wuhan lab?
This story today is explosive.
Of all the other big news, this ought to be the number one story in the world.
You've got the smoking gun on Anthony Fauci and all his lies.
Explain to us what you found and what Fauci said and what Fauci did.
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Steve, I think this is really terrifying and damning.
Anthony Fauci is the top medical advisor to the president.
He's literally, his job is literally to protect the public health of Americans and not put the health of the rest of the world at risk either.
But what he did is he wrote a science paper back in 2012.
This is when there was debate going on about whether to ban gain-of-function research in America.
It was banned two years later under the Obama administration in 2014.
This is 2012.
He's writing about it.
And at the time there was a voluntary ban on conducting gain-of-function experiments on highly infectious influenza viruses.
And he writes this paper, and it's online, anyone can read it.
It took a while to find it though, but anyone can read it.
And he writes this paper where he says that the risk of sparking a pandemic from a laboratory accident in a sloppy or shoddy laboratory is worth the benefits of this research.
This is an incomprehensible position for someone charged with America's public health to take.
This isn't a political thing.
This is literally, he is the top medical advisor.
Why would he possibly say it's mind boggling that the benefits of gain-of-function research are worth the risks of a pandemic?
And I don't know if you want to read it, or I can read a quote from it.
It says, in an unlikely but conceivable, so he's acknowledging it's conceivable, in an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak, and ultimately triggers a pandemic?
This is what Fauci wrote.
And he then besides, he said, scientists working in this field might say, as indeed I have said, That the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks.
Steve, this is utterly incomprehensible and there was a whole body of scientists that they formed a group, they were known as the Cambridge Working Group, and they were objecting to gain-of-function research because they said the opposite of what Fauci said.
They said there are no known benefits to this research.
It has never been proven that it could prevent a pandemic.
steve bannon
Okay, I just want to, the sound is not perfect, so I just want to reiterate.
Fauci in 2012 put out a paper that said the risk to doing gain-of-function, which is essentially weaponization of these viruses, in a lab setting where you have the potential, the possibility of a lab leak that could spread this deadly pandemic is worth it because of what you could find out by that study.
Is that essentially the heart of it, Sherry Markson?
unidentified
Absolutely.
That's exactly what he says.
And he doesn't say it in technical language.
He says it in plain English.
He says, the risk of a pandemic triggered by an accident in a laboratory conducting gain-of-function research is worth the benefits of the research.
And as I say, the most eminent scientists in America, in the world, international group, there's a group called the Cambridge Working Group, they objected to this research and they still do.
They say that there are no known benefits to conducting gain-of-function research.
And look what's happened.
The exact scenario that Fauci put on the table, that may have happened.
That's what the intelligence agencies are investigating.
Finally, after a year and a half, this may have happened.
steve bannon
Okay, but I want to get to something else in this article.
We're putting an article in the live stream.
You need to share this with everybody.
You need to share it today, now.
There's another, I don't want to say buried lead, explosive as you get to the bottom of it.
Remember, in the time frame, Fauci writes this in 2012 where they're trying to make this argument among that scientific community, the vast majority of whom know how dangerous this is in any setting, whether it's in the great labs in the United Kingdom, the United States, And Europe, far be it, they're not even thinking about a P4 lab in China at the time, in Wuhan.
Two years later, two years later, the Obama National Security Council, the Obama Administration's National Security Council, not a bunch of right-wingers, shut down the gain-of-function experiment because of what was happening in the University of North Carolina at the University of Maryland.
Okay?
Your story, go to the bottom of it.
Fauci, and this one, Peter Navarro, in December 2017 in the Trump administration, unbeknownst to senior levels in the White House, Fauci reverses this policy.
You've got to go to the bottom of your story, which to me is almost as explosive as Fauci in 2012.
You say that you now have confirmed for your book That Secretary of State Pompeo and Matt Pottinger did not know about what Fauci was doing and that quote-unquote Fauci went to junior people on the White House staff and I think the quote is forced it through the system.
Explain to the audience and the nation what exactly you're saying here.
unidentified
So as you said Obama had banned or put a pause on this gain-of-function research In 2014.
In 2017, Fauci has a meeting in the White House.
It is in the White House, but it's with junior officials in the Office of Science and Technology, where he asks them to lift this ban on gain-of-function research, the ban on it, after conducting a review.
And the quote that a source says to me is, it got rammed through.
And none of the senior White House administrations were made aware that he did this.
And I've spoken to many people for my book, many senior figures in that White House administration, and none of them were aware that gain-of-function research was going on or that Fauci had taken the decision to reverse this ban.
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo wasn't aware, and Matt Pottinger weren't aware either.
They were in different roles in late 2017, but critical roles.
Matt Pottinger was still in the White House, and Mike Pompeo was at the CIA.
None of them were aware.
And then even when others joined very senior positions, they were kept in the dark as well that this gain-of-function research was going on in the United States.
But let alone that the NIH was funneling money through to the EcoHealth Alliance, which was then sending it through to the Wuhan labs, where the gain-of-function research was going on.
Now, Steve, I've heard, I heard that, you know, Fauci tried to argue with Rand Paul to say that they weren't funding gain-of-function research.
I can tell you, That's false.
At the end of the research papers it says this research was funded with NIH grants and it lists the grants that it was funded with.
It is utterly false for him to say that the scientific research, the gain-of-function research being undertaken at the Wuhan labs was not with NIH funding.
It's there in black and white It was being funded with NIH.
Maybe he's trying to use some slippery definition of gain of function.
But in my view, and I'm writing a book on this, and I read many, dozens and dozens of the scientific papers that the Woodhound Institute of Virology are producing, and many of them are funded with NIH grants.
And what he said to Rand Paul is false.
steve bannon
Sherry, how do people follow you with this?
How do they get to your articles?
How do they order the book, I guess, on Amazon?
It's What Happened in Wuhan by Sherry Markson.
How do they get to your social media feed?
unidentified
Yeah, last time I was on the show, I think the Amazon link was a bit faulty, but it is up now, What Really Happened in Wuhan on Amazon.
Otherwise, I'm Sherry Markson on Twitter.
Thank you, Steve.
steve bannon
Sherry, our nation and the world owes you a great favor.
Many thanks for you and the research you've done and how you've grinded this out.
It's going to be incredible.
The book I know is going to be a blockbuster.
We thank you so much.
This article now has to be shared by everybody.
Sherry Markson, thank you so much.
Great job reporting.
I want to bring back in Dr. Peter Navarro.
Dr. Navarro, I know your head is blowing up.
This article is unbelievable.
peter navarro
She is amazing, Steve.
Let me say a couple things over here.
Go ahead.
Here's what should have happened, okay?
We have what's called a staff secretary process in the White House.
Whenever any major policy decision comes up, it goes through this process, and so you'd have whatever they're proposing.
Would be distributed to all the relevant agencies and departments and you would get feedback on that.
It would come through and it would go up.
This kind of thing would go up to the president because it would be that that important.
It did not do that.
The other thing I think was going on at the Office of Science and Technology Policies.
I don't think they had anybody running that shop.
I think that there was like a vacuum there.
So Fauci not only preyed on a unit in the EEOB, but he picked an agency that really didn't have anybody there who had any decision-making authority.
So my point is that he gamed the process.
You know, he got Obama, NSC said, you can't do that, Tony.
It's frigging dangerous.
Don't do that.
And as soon as Obama was gone, he came in and he gamed the process in the worst possible way.
And Sherry, look, we need to know who that low level person was as soon as possible, because that's going to be part of what's going to happen on Capitol Hill.
In terms of what happened to Fauci.
That's not something that we can keep secret.
But she's doing beautiful work.
She is a tip of the global spear here and good for Sherry Markson.
I'm going to buy 20 copies of that book and give it to everybody I can.
steve bannon
Buy it today.
Go to What Really Happened at the Wuhan Lab and share this moment.
Make sure you get it.
I want everybody to share this.
I want everybody to push this story out.
Real quickly, we've got about a minute.
Give me 30 seconds.
In all the fights you had with Fauci down in the Situation Room, did he ever mention his involvement, NIH's involvement with the Wuhan Lab, Dr. Peter Navarro?
peter navarro
Absolutely not.
And when I had that famous showdown for the travel ban on behalf of the President and Fauci was opposed on January 28th, He used the same argument about, oh, like, no, don't worry about it.
Sherry's point was like, even if you have a small possibility of a pandemic, the costs are so huge associated with that, that that gain of function, experimentation, weaponization, was not worth the risk in any world that you and I live in still.
He is a mass murderer for what he did.
If that thing came from the lab and it was genetically engineered with its gain of function.
And you can prove it.
I believe with 100% certainty that is the case.
steve bannon
The walls close in on Tony Fauci.
Short commercial break.
We'll be back with Jack Francis.
Ready to go politics.
His thoughts on Paul Ryan and which way the Republican Party goes next.
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We've got special tomorrow, the American General's talk, and we actually have some naval officers also.
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You're going to hear it from the voice of those leaders that are putting their shoulder to the wheel now, coming out of retirement, saying we can't let this stand.
We've got an all-star cast tomorrow.
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So we've got a lot of specials over the weekend.
Focus on Memorial Day, the American military, our patriots, our hero, and most importantly, our honored dead.
Okay.
By the way, it's tough to shock me, but Sherry Markson gave us, and this is why, are the force multipliers in the chat room getting the job done?
maureen bannon
They are.
They've already started sharing her article.
And with that, I know Dr. Fauci is responsible for COVID-19, but he has a lot of accomplices.
And once he falls, all those on the left that have covered for him for over a year will fall as well.
steve bannon
Once falls, they all fall.
OK, I want to go back.
Paul Ryan last night at the Reagan Library, where President Reagan is buried, is a very honored place.
Gave a absolute throwdown against the populist movement, against President Trump, against everybody in this audience, that you're that you're wrongheaded.
You're not good people and you're following the wrong.
It's a call to personality.
I want to bring in another one of these fire breathers, Jack Francis.
Jack is the head founder of Red Eagle Politics.
Jack, what are your ideas, concepts, opinions, and analysis of Paul Ryan's speech at the Reagan Library, sir?
unidentified
Well, I think if you look at Paul Ryan, you understand that this guy was the number one inhibitor to the Trump agenda while Trump was in office.
He has opposed Trump from day one.
So it's really no surprise that Paul Ryan decides to trash Donald Trump and decides to trash his supporters and to trash his movement.
And it's just ironic because you look at Paul Ryan.
All he represents are the interests of the donors in Washington.
He doesn't represent the interests of the people in his district in places like Waukesha, Wisconsin and Whitewater, Wisconsin that actually vote for him.
So it's not surprising, but it's really sad to see.
But again, you have a populist movement that is brewing, that is anti-establishment, that wants to bring new ideas to the table to really solve the modern problems that are facing our American society today.
Yet Paul Ryan, he is the one that is stuck in the cult of personality going back to Ronald Reagan.
Um, and while Reagan was an honorable man, um, it is currently 2021.
Reagan has not served as president for 34 years.
Uh, Donald Trump and Trumpism is the future.
Um, this idea that, you know, Reaganism is going to work in the modern day.
I mean, obviously, certain elements of it will.
Obviously, we want to have lower taxes and that stuff is important.
But Donald Trump, on issues like trade, on issues like immigration, that's where he really took a stand compared to traditional Republicans.
And that is where he was at odds with Paul Ryan.
And Paul Ryan was one of the main reasons why some of Trump's policy agenda did not get passed, because he was that number one obstructor in Congress.
steve bannon
Yeah, Jack, real quickly, they continue to throw down that our movement is devoid of ideas.
You got about a minute.
Do you believe that?
Do you believe that the conservative Inc.
and what Paul Ryan, the establishment of the Republican Party, that they have a group of better, vibrant ideas than the populist nationalist right, sir?
unidentified
Absolutely not.
I mean, you have to look at what their ideas really are.
I mean, all they do is just repeat the same talking points about low taxes and the free market.
They don't actually want to solve problems regarding health care, regarding immigration, regarding trade, regarding the problems that actually affect middle America and the people that vote for the Republican Party.
Instead, they want to focus on this, you know, free market dogma of yesteryear instead of trying to solve the problems that actually affect people today.
And if they decided to do that, like Donald Trump did, they would actually expand their voter base.
But instead, they are trying to appease the donors and the donor class, which does not even vote largely for the Republican Party anymore, ironically enough.
So that's kind of where the divide is.
steve bannon
Jack, how can people get to your YouTube channel, which everybody else subscribes to, and how do they follow you on social media?
unidentified
I'm on YouTube.
You can look up Red Eagle Politics, you'll find my channel.
I'm also on Twitter, at Red Eagle Patriot, and all my other social media links are in my YouTube description.
steve bannon
Don't miss Jack Francis.
He's got a lot to say, particularly in the details and really the grind of some of these House races, Senate races.
He's got a lot to say.
It's a young man.
You should follow Jack.
Thank you very much for taking time to join us.
unidentified
Thanks for having me.
steve bannon
Peter Navarro, this is the young generation that's coming up in back of you.
This is the fire breathers that have something to say, have a point of view, have the ideas.
What say you, sir?
We've got about a minute.
peter navarro
I feel better right now knowing that Captain Bannon, Jack Francis, and this young generation not only is breathing fire, but intellectually nailed it.
He hit it right on the head.
The difference between Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump was basically the MAGA, Populist Economic Nationalist agenda.
Secure borders, fair trade, and end That's what distinguishes our movement, Steve.
And I think that, intellectually, that's what is good for this country and the Paul Ryans and the Mitch McConnells and the Kevin McCarthys.
These people who are our power, we speak truth to them, and Jack Francis is doing that, and I'm glad we have young people like that on our side, Steve.
That's good news.
steve bannon
Dr. Peter Navarro, thanks.
We're gonna get all your reports in there.
We'll see you tomorrow morning, the American General's talk, another two-hour special on the American military, the sacrifices they made, and how they are under pressure to crack Critical Race Theory and much, much more.
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