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After our Capitol was attacked, our representatives in Congress were threatened.
And a police officer was killed.
Representative Cheney had a choice.
She could look the other way and pretend it didn't happen.
Or she could stand up and say, this can never happen again.
Thank you, Representative Cheney, for upholding your oath to the Constitution and for protecting our country.
jake tapper
There is an elephant in the room.
It's the post-Trump Republican Party where things have gotten so bad.
Congresswoman Liz Cheney needed to defend her basic civility, that fist bump she did with the President of the United States earlier this week.
Liz Cheney is the third-ranking Republican, the House GOP conference chair, and she's been duking it out with the House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy over not just fist bumps, but over McCarthy's embrace of President Trump and President Trump's election lies and what should be the future of the fractured GOP, as CNN's Manu Raju explains.
unidentified
Congresswoman Liz Cheney facing new turmoil internally amid her feud with former President Donald Trump and his House GOP loyalists, erupting after the congresswoman responded to questions at a GOP retreat this week in Florida, all stemming from Trump and his role in the deadly January 6th attack on the Capitol.
Well, that's a decision that the Justice Department is going to have to make.
Saying Trump is not the leader of the party.
I think our elected leaders, you know, are the ones who are in charge of the Republican Party.
A senior House Republican member told CNN that Cheney could be in, quote, very big trouble.
Well, Casey, I can tell you there are a lot of rank-and-file Republicans who worry that there is going to be another flare-up having to do with Liz Cheney.
trampled all over messaging during the party retreat. A fist bump with the current president of the United States this week even leading Cheney to tweet we're not sworn enemies we're American. Well Casey I can tell you there are a lot of rank-and-file Republicans who worry that there is going to be another flare-up having to do with Liz Cheney. There's talk that there's gonna be another vote to have her removed and that this time the leadership Kevin McCarthy, Steve Scalise while they may not be out in front might actually
quietly support that or let it happen so to speak and a lot of these members think that that would be difficult for the party and by the way It would also be a difficult decision for Kevin McCarthy because Liz Cheney does have a strong group of ardent supporters in the House Republican Conference.
People who really value her leadership, who maybe not out loud but quietly encourage her to continue speaking the truth, to pushing back against the former president.
steve bannon
Okay, what we need this time, because there is going to be another vote on Liz Cheney, we don't need a private vote anymore.
What we need, what we need is a public vote.
All votes on the record for leadership position for Liz Cheney.
Another flare-up, another vote, as folks are talking about.
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Liz Cheney in hot water because she continues to defy, not just President Trump, she defies MAGA.
That 30-second spot at the front was brought to you by the Republican Accountability Project, which is Bill Kristol, another never-Trumper.
Maureen Bannon joins us in the order as my co-host because Rahim is out cutting for our two-hour radio theater special this Saturday, which you're not going to want to miss.
And Boris Epstein is on the road.
I want to bring in Boris.
Boris, this Liz Cheney situation is building to a head.
People cannot wait until the election in the primary in 2022 in Wyoming, although the folks in Wyoming have censured her and essentially want her recalled.
Steve, great to be with you, great to be with the patriots of the MAGA movement, the MAGA brain trust that is the audience of The War Room.
What's your thoughts on Liz Cheney in leadership and a potential vote?
boris epshteyn
Steve, great to be with you.
Great to be with the patriots of the MAGA movement, the MAGA brain trust that is the audience of the war.
Of course, really great to be with Captain Ben, the true host of the show.
And I'm pretty excited about the radio theater, a throwback to the 30s and 40s, which is exactly what we need in our online and digital and traditional media.
So that's going to be great, I'm sure.
Here's the deal with Liz Cheney.
She miscalculated terribly.
She thought that she could be rid of Donald Trump.
And broader, she thought she could be rid of the MAGA movement.
She could be rid of the wallroom posse, of the wallroom audience.
And guess what?
She's wrong.
She was wrong in Wyoming, she's wrong nationwide, and she's wrong in the House.
And the members of the House, and the leadership of the Republicans in the House are saying, you know what, Liz Cheney?
unidentified
No more.
boris epshteyn
Good night and good luck.
We're tired of you.
We're tired of your antics.
And I've heard, I've even heard fundraisers who've hosted Liz Cheney since January 6th say, you know what?
Just too much.
She's so obsessed with President Trump.
Absolutely triggered.
Maybe one of the worst cases of Trump's derangement syndrome outside of CNN, Steve and Captain Banner.
Liz Cheney has lost her mind, and now she's going to lose her position as conference chair because she does not represent, she does not represent the MAGA movement, the Republican electorate, and she does not represent Republicans in the House.
It's impossible to keep her there because it is going to do damage to every single Republican up and down the ballot in terms of, you know, with the media saying, oh, there's a big contingent supporting Liz Cheney.
unidentified
Nine.
boris epshteyn
That is the amount of members supporting Liz Cheney.
The nine others who voted for that ludicrous shower and impeachment of a Republican president after she was no longer president.
That's all it is.
That is her contingent.
It's nine and probably four.
And there are many other much stronger, much stronger Republicans, and the leading person, the leading name that I'm hearing over and over and over again is Elise Stefanik of New York, a rising star on the Armed Services Committee, on the Intelligence Committee, somebody who can unite the Republican Party, and somebody who's a MAGA champion.
And I think Congressman Stefanik will be a great conference chair.
steve bannon
Okay, I want to go into, because you're breaking some news here, and I want to go back to that.
We'll talk about Stefanik, and they talk about Liz Cheney.
I mean, Stefanik is a young fire breather, and she's on two of the toughest committees already, Armed Services and Intel.
So she's got chops.
I want to go back to, they say you've got to keep Liz Cheney around because you've got to keep the donors happy.
You're saying that even now, because she's so out of sync, And we can't.
This is not about the election of 2022.
This is about the fight in the House every day.
And because remember, the House is very, very tight right here.
There's a lot of those, I believe, districts, you know, the dirty 30, those districts that, you know, Obama won, then Trump won, they've been in play in 18, and now again in 20.
These are the ones that are going to determine the control of the House in 22.
You've got to be working this right now.
Are you saying you're hearing that donors and some of the big fundraisers are saying, hey, it's just too much?
She's so obsessed with Trump and so negative on the Trump movement and insulting MAGA and American First every day, that even they're saying she's got to go?
boris epshteyn
Absolutely.
Now, these are some of the more establishment people.
Maybe they're not leading the act and saying she's gotta go, but they're definitely recognizing the fact that Liz Cheney is completely, overly obsessed with January 6th.
That's all she wants to talk about.
She can't get over it.
For some reason, she's just stuck on this.
She's digging in, hoping to dig out.
That's what it seems like.
Because that's the only political explanation I could give to it.
It is absolute nonsense.
I do not understand it, and yes, the donor class and most importantly the MAGA movement are against it.
With that, Steve, they're calling my name.
I've got about two minutes left.
steve bannon
Okay, just real quickly about the leadership vote.
Is it going to take Stefanik to step up and say, I want the job to actually have the vote again?
Or is this vote now in progress, you think, the momentum to have this vote, and Lisa Stefanik will then commit sometime later on?
What's going to happen about this vote?
boris epshteyn
I'm expecting that the vote is going to happen.
Do not expect anybody to step up.
I think, from what I'm hearing, that the vote is likely to happen.
Don't know exact timing yet, but I don't think it's too long away.
I think the leadership, Kevin McCarthy, Steve Scalise, realize that Liz Cheney is untenable in leadership.
And again, I think Elise Stefanik is a name that's going to be uniting all Republicans.
She hasn't stepped up for it.
She hasn't asked for it.
But that's the consensus that I'm hearing right now.
Congressman Stefanik of New York, a true MAGA champion with some very serious chops, a Harvard graduate, somebody who will be great in a conference chair role.
steve bannon
Boris, thank you.
We'll talk to you tomorrow.
Boris Epstein.
Waiting to catch a flight there.
I was able to jump in.
unidentified
This is big news is breaking over today.
steve bannon
A lot of word that finally the folks in Wyoming who have been, I think, consistent saying that Liz Cheney is just not acceptable.
They've censured her.
They've done everything.
You've got even Catherine O'Neill.
Our own Catherine O'Neill, who's out in Wyoming now, is lighting her up about the big lie, etc.
This is huge, huge news for this audience and for the MAGA movement.
You have pushed and pushed and pushed and what we need you to do now.
is to get on those emails, get on those office phones, and start flooding the zone here, calling your representatives, your Republican House representatives, call McCarthy, call particularly Jim Jordan, call Scalise, and say, hey, you guys need to do a vote.
You need to bring another vote on leadership.
And this one cannot be a secret vote.
This vote has to be a public vote.
They say, you know, I think it was MSNBC was sitting there saying, oh, she's got very strong support in the Republican caucus.
Well, we ought to hear that.
We ought to find out what people are prepared to stand up to vote for.
Now, she is a young woman, Harvard graduate.
She's on a couple of the tougher committees.
Mo, as a veteran, West Point grad, served in Iraq with the 101st.
What does Lisa Stefanik mean to you?
maureen bannon
I mean, she's a huge advocate for service members, and especially she introduced the Equal Pay for Servicewomen Act because it's been found that women in the military pay more out of pocket for uniforms than men do.
So she wants to fight not only for equality, you know, in the civilian force, but also in the military, which is a great thing, and many servicewomen should be appreciative of it.
steve bannon
You went down to CPAC.
You heard the buzz down there.
The buzz is strong among the young people you were hanging with for Stefanik, right?
She's looked at as a young fire breather.
maureen bannon
She is, definitely, and Liz Cheney needs to go.
Liz Cheney is not part of the MAGA movement.
She's very divisive, and she doesn't want what we want in this party.
unidentified
Okay, we're going to take a short commercial break.
steve bannon
Here's what we've got.
All day long, they've been blowing up on herd immunity.
Herd immunity.
This came out this afternoon.
It was a lead story in the Daily Mail.
They've taken out the calculation.
They're fumbling around on the calculation.
Does, if you've had COVID before, does it count under herd immunity?
They're talking now about going just 100% of vaccinations.
They're actually coming forward and say, hey, in that calculation, we're not going to come close to not going to come close to herd immunity.
Why?
vaccine hesitancy or kind of vaccine, hey, you know, you're scaring me because you guys are vaccinated yet.
Everybody's wearing masks.
I don't see any changes in behavior.
The confusing messaging of the Biden administration has got us in this jam and now they're looking to get out of it.
Okay, short commercial break.
We're going to be back in the war room to talk about herd immunity.
Then we're going to Arizona.
We're going to New Hampshire.
Got Fincham in Arizona.
Heather Mullins from Real America's Voice in New Hampshire and a live report right before the big rally at Windham High School in New Hampshire.
When we return in the war room.
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As we came on breaking news out of the Hill newspaper, one of the most influential papers on Capitol Hill, headline, Allies of GOP leader vow to oust Liz Cheney.
That is Allies of GOP leader vow to oust Liz Cheney.
Captain Bannon, can you read that for us?
maureen bannon
Top allies of House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy are vowing to oust Rep Liz Cheney, one of the harshest critics of former President Trump and either party, from her leadership post by the end of the month.
They argue that the No.
3 Republican has repeatedly contradicted McCarthy and his team, undermining the party's message and its efforts to take back the House majority in next year's midterm elections.
unidentified
Okay, this is big.
steve bannon
By the way, in the live chat, understand on Elise Stefanik, the entire posse is not there yet.
There's a lot of questions.
Hey, how MAGA is she?
How America First is she?
Do we have a neocon?
Do we have a war hawk?
Here's what I think.
We've got to obviously put Elise Stefanik.
We're going to have to put the, to review.
But she is a young woman that I think has stepped up, particularly during the impeachment Stepped up there, so we're gonna have to find out but I think for a young woman in a leadership position Particularly somebody knows armed services and Intel we're gonna have to get to the bottom of that What we don't want obviously is some neocon there, but we're gonna have to review review this remember They're going to have to have a replacement.
I think before they do the Alstra I think they're gonna have to say if somebody doesn't now Lisa Elise Stefanik Has been rumored as potential running for governor.
Is that correct, Captain Bannon?
In New York, you already have Lee Zelnick's already in the race.
You've got Andrew Giuliani's talking about getting the race.
This is making another third big player.
But that is what's rumored as potential, correct?
maureen bannon
I'm hearing a potential run.
steve bannon
Potential run.
She would have to forego that to take this leadership job.
But here's the takeaway.
As we've been talking about for weeks and weeks and weeks, we cannot wait to the primary in Wyoming.
That's that's too long.
She is poisonous.
President Trump already sent out today called her what a warmonger again.
And she's throwing down time and time again to say that it's the big lie, that the effort we're underway in Arizona that's going to spread to Georgia is going to spread to Michigan.
It's going to spread to Wisconsin and today it's spreading to, of all places, Wyndham, New Hampshire.
I want to bring in Heather Mullins from Real America's Voice.
She's in the Washington DC studio, Real America's Voice, but Heather is from the live free or die state.
Heather Mullins, you've been covering this story.
Tell us what's going on up in Wyndham.
unidentified
Oh man, well I've actually been covering all the election investigations going across the country, but I happen to live in New Hampshire.
So this one, Steve, is right in my backyard.
It's in Corey Lewandowski's backyard.
And it's this small, sleepy little town, Windom, New Hampshire.
You had about 10,000 votes in the machines there.
The count was over a thousand off, so that's a 10% difference.
And as you know, a law was passed requiring that they investigate, and Wyndham selectmen have actually chosen a guy named Mark Lindeman of a group called Verified Voting.
Now, this has sparked some controversy and actually a rally planned for tonight to protest the choosing of him after I discovered a letter he had sent to the Arizona Senate basically asking them to stop their audit, saying that two audits had already been done, that that should be enough, and that if you further investigate, you're going to stoke conspiracy theories.
So this is sort of a big deal when you want to have someone with integrity actually doing the investigation in New Hampshire, which actually is a big deal.
Everybody there, this bill passed unanimously through the Senate.
So Democrats and Republicans in New Hampshire want this investigation.
And so it's so important that whoever does it is not compromised in any way.
And so upon further research of this guy, Mark Lindeman, of Verified Voting, I found out he not only worked with Brad Raffensperger in Georgia, basically doing their risk-limiting audits, but that two of their academic scientific experts resigned from their board over them essentially passing off untrustworthy machines and misrepresenting the data from the risk-limiting audits.
So you have UC Berkeley professor Phil Stark, who resigned, and he's actually one credited with inventing the risk-limiting audits back in 2007.
He resigned, and I'd actually interviewed him a few days ago.
And then the other one was a Georgia Tech professor.
So you have these two experts saying, we don't trust what they're doing.
We don't want our names associated with that bad, you know, the misinformation they're putting out.
So we're going to resign.
And this is who the Wyndham, New Hampshire selectmen shows as their designated person to do the audit, which is why you have people rallying tonight to get them to rethink that decision.
steve bannon
Now, Heather, right before we're coming on the air, we got a letter, this letter.
Have they chosen someone else?
Talk about, is it Harry Hersey?
Who's this individual that they're talking about they may select since there's been such a firestorm on Mark Lindemann?
Who's this new person that's in the mix?
unidentified
So the new person, so what Senate Bill 43 in New Hampshire says is that there's three people on an election audit team.
The first person is someone chosen by the Secretary of the State and Attorney General's Office.
The second person is chosen by the Windhamtown Selectmen.
And then those two designees jointly chose a third person.
So the letter you're referencing is actually The Secretary of State and Attorney General came out today announcing that they'll be choosing a guy named Harry Hurstie to be their designee.
So Mark Lindemann is currently the designee for Wyndham.
And they'll have to work together if, unless, you know, Wyndham decides to choose someone else.
But Harry Hurstie, interestingly enough, was featured in a 2006 HBO documentary called Hacking Democracy, where he successfully programmed a memory card to manipulate a voting machine, which is called the Hurstie Hack.
He's certainly qualified to do this.
The problem now is we don't know who has the integrity, and that's what it's all about.
It's not about what side you're on, it's do you have integrity?
Do you have the knowledge and do you have the integrity to go and investigate and truthfully report your findings?
So, that's where we're at.
steve bannon
There was, look, Corey's an expert on this, but there's a lot of controversy.
There's a lot of controversy.
In fact, Chris Kobach, when he headed up the commission for a while under President Trump for a couple of months, he said New Hampshire was one of the worst examples in 2016 about the people coming up and saying that they actually come up by a bus, vote there, and then later on try to register with DMV.
There got to be a huge controversy.
I think there was 2,500 or 3,000 votes that were in question, and President Trump lost that one very, very, very closely.
Is the point of the rally today that if you actually get somebody you think is even-handed, that if you prove it in Wyndham, which is a small township, but if you prove it in Wyndham, that this investigation could actually expand potentially to all of New Hampshire?
unidentified
Absolutely, because if it turns out that there was, you know, something to do with the machines, either, you know, I won't say malicious, like it could be malicious, it could, it could be just a mistake in the machine, but they're used in 85% of New Hampshire counties.
So when you have in this one tiny county in this one race, you're talking a 10 to 11% difference.
I mean, that's enough to swing the election, if you look statewide.
And there's a lot of people that question the outcome of the election.
When you look at the fact that New Hampshire's House, their Senate, all the Republicans took seats.
And then all of a sudden we're expected to believe that just the presidential race and the Senate races, that all of a sudden Democrats won.
And statistically, over the years, when you look at how well the Democrats did, like John McCain and Obama, Mitt Romney and Obama, Hillary and Trump, the trajectory had Republicans taking New Hampshire this year.
And for whatever reason, it went the exact opposite direction by 50,000 to 60,000 votes.
So there's a lot of other statistical numbers on the county level that don't make sense in terms of the number of people that voted, the timing of the votes coming in.
There's a lot of people following the numbers and I think that's really what's leading to these investigations.
steve bannon
Okay, you're covering this across the board for Real America's Voice.
You know, we had Newsmax roll up the white flag.
In fact, MSNBC's been all over that this afternoon.
What's your assessment across the country, from Arizona to Georgia to Wisconsin to Michigan, even Montana, for the audience?
This, to me, I keep saying it's simmering right below the surface.
You have a lot of work in courts, in state legislatures, of folks, volunteers, working What's your assessment?
We've got about two minutes, Heather, since you covered this.
What's your assessment of where we stand on really reversing what Trump says the big lie is that Joe Biden won?
What do you say?
unidentified
I mean, I would say the big lie right now is the media pushing this idea that we had the most safe and secure election ever because, you know, it's funny, I actually confronted Jim Acosta when he was at CPAC because I was on the ground investigating in Georgia and their hand recount found thousands of votes in Floyd County, for example, that were not counted the first time.
And I specifically interviewed those election board members who confirmed to me it wasn't a memory card.
So when I then see people from the Secretary of State's office going on the record to press telling people that it was a memory card issue, I know for a fact it wasn't because I was there when they were doing the troubleshooting with two Dominion techs sitting in the room.
And so I think we have a big problem right now with like people in positions of power covering up, you know, elections.
And when you have this verified voting group working with Raffensperger, who I know for a fact went on the record and lied about things that happened in Georgia, I question them because these are the groups now being chosen, and they're expected to be experts because they go to a particular university or they teach somewhere, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to be the most truthful person or have the right conscience to do the right thing.
I mean, money sways a lot of people, unfortunately.
steve bannon
Heather, we've got to bounce.
What's your social media?
People have got to be following you every day.
How do they get access to you?
unidentified
I'm at Talk Mullins, M-U-L-L-I-N-S.
steve bannon
Heather Mullen's Real America's Voice.
She's been tracking this all throughout the country.
We'll have her back on the show later this week.
Heather, thank you very much.
maureen bannon
Thank you so much, Steve.
Actually, at CPAC, I did see Heather talk to Jim Acosta, and he wanted her evidence.
So instead of doing his own reporting or his own researching, he wanted Heather to do it for him.
steve bannon
She had the receipts.
Okay.
Short commercial break.
Speaking of receipts, Mark Fincham, he broke the news today.
There is going to be a canvassing effort in Arizona.
Fincham from Arizona next.
unidentified
I can guarantee the live chat one thing.
steve bannon
Captain Bannon does not believe anything.
She was a little girl.
Her favorite phrase was, you're not the boss of me.
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Now we're going to go to Mark Fincham.
You agree with that Mark?
Can I go to Fincham?
Okay.
Go to Fincham.
I'm going to be blowing up the posse, right?
So Mark, and I understand you're pressed for time.
You got work out there you're doing in the house.
I got to ask you a question.
You're actually already declared, I think, to enter the Republican primary to run for Secretary of State to kind of make sure we don't have this fiasco again in the state.
You've got a Democrat.
Katie Hobbs, I believe her name is.
And the reason I know her because I see it on the Chiron all the time.
We keep MSNBC and CNN constantly here, not just to trigger the war room posse but to actually see what the propaganda narrative is from the left.
Katie Hobbs is always on CNN or MSNBC.
I think she might be a contributor now.
Why is your Secretary of State for Arizona on those networks non-stop and not sitting there and assisting and trying to help since she is the Secretary of State and it's her principal responsibility to get to the bottom of what happened on November 3rd?
Just riddle me that, sir.
mark finchem
Steve, the answer to your question is in the question.
If she were acting as the Secretary of State as a disinterested Well, interested third party, but I mean, she is the chief election officer in this state.
So for her to be out advocating against scrutiny, apparently she has lost at all sense of what's going on in the world because our constituents are telling us overwhelmingly, 30% study came out in Gateway Pundit, 30% of Democrats don't believe the election was, shall we say, fraud free.
Over 75% of Republicans don't believe it was fraud-free.
steve bannon
So for her to be out on MSNBC... Hang on, I think the 30% I saw was independents on that poll.
I think Democrats were smaller, but still, that's a massive number, right?
70% of Republicans, 30% of independents, and I think 8-10% of Democrats.
At least the poll I saw, maybe it was 30% Democrats.
Regardless, it's a huge, it's a huge, it's a huge number.
It's a huge number.
So why is she not putting her shoulder to the wheel to try to, since the Senate has decreed this, the Senate's decreed this, and it's her principal responsibility, and I realize you have a separation of powers as you should, instead of being on cable news whining constantly, why is she not sitting there trying to assist?
mark finchem
She is either terrified of what's gonna be found out on her watch, or she's trying to throw red meat in her opposition to this, to the radical left, because I understand she wants to run for governor.
I can't think of any other reason other than those two.
And I think it's reprehensible that what she's doing is she's trying to undermine a process that the people have clearly asked for.
And on the 30% thing, think about that.
Of Democrats, that's 448,000 people Doubt whether or not the election occurred.
Now in Arizona, we have roughly a third, a third and a third.
It's like 35% Republican, 32% Democrat and 33% Independent.
So a third of that third, no matter what it is, is a big number.
And when you have that kind of number combined with the Republicans who have a question about the election, your Secretary of State should be, with all due haste and diligence, pursuing An oversight of the election and supporting the Senate and their work.
And that's exactly the opposite of what this woman is doing.
steve bannon
Okay, I realize you're pressed for time, but besides the clown carnival over the weekend and the flight patterns of certain things are checking, let's put those aside for a second.
What other events today are going on?
Let's get a news update in Arizona on the actual forensic hand audit before we get to the breaking news you had this morning and more breaking news.
What's going on today?
What's your audience takeaway of what's happening out there?
mark finchem
Well, they're just grinding through it, Steve.
They've added staff, they're added tables, they're ramping up so that they can increase their daily run rate.
Then you've got, I had was confirmed for me this morning, that yes, there indeed will be a canvas of certain addresses.
Now, these are addresses of people who are believed to be deceased at the time of the election.
Vacant lots.
Uh, addresses that come back to government buildings where there could be a fictitious voter, somebody registered fictitiously.
So we're not quite sure what that might turn out.
But that is one of the things that is in the audit package.
Now, another piece that I wasn't able to tell you about this morning... Hang on, before we get to the new piece, there's a question about this.
steve bannon
You had some media that went in the other day.
They allowed them to go in and immediately they started taking pictures of the counters.
And we understand that with so much high feeling on this, that could lead to people being doxxed, etc.
How are they talking about the security for canvassers?
We understand that canvassers have been going through a lot of A lot of training.
There's been a huge volunteer effort out there.
We've had people on here talking about it for weeks and weeks and weeks.
How do you propose to make sure that the canvassers have total security?
mark finchem
Well, the media here has come under just intense fire for their behavior.
I don't know because I'm not part of the audit team, not part of the management team that's running it.
I don't know what they've done to come down on the media, but I know that there has been harsh criticism.
From media people who have said, how could you do that knowing full well what could happen to the people who are being good stewards of the electoral process?
People, some of them in cases of volunteers.
How could you do that when you know full well that the left is going to go on a full frontal attack against anybody who's involved in this?
So they're getting pretty harsh criticism.
It's my understanding that they are going to do something as far as Making sure that that does not happen again.
Now, what steps they're taking, I don't know.
But like I say, I'm not part of the audit management team.
steve bannon
OK, you had additional breaking news, too.
Can you walk us through what your additional observations are?
mark finchem
Yeah.
So over the last 10 days, I have had a number of Democrats who have come forward in both Pima and Pinelle County, and they have told me that they received multiple ballots.
One lives in the neighborhood I live in up in Oro Valley.
He said, I got four ballots and I didn't make him, I didn't think of it at the time, but now with everything that's going on, I just wanted to tell you my story.
And so, well, will you give me an affidavit, the sworn affidavit and get it notarized?
And he's like, yeah.
Well, a few days later, I get a contact from Democrat voter again in Pinelle County saying, Hey, I received multiple ballots and I'm not sure what's up, but something is very wrong with the system like that.
So I have submitted a public records request for Pima County.
I'm going to do the same with Pinell County.
I want to know how many addresses, how many people receive multiple ballots.
And the pattern that seems to be emerging here, I can't confirm it yet because I don't have the list, but I have not had a single Republican tell me that they received more than one ballot.
steve bannon
This is this is really pretty shocking.
I want to make sure people understand that you've had Democrats actually come to you because you're known as a pretty partisan guy, I take it.
They've come to you because of the stance you're taking on election integrity and say, hey, Mark, I just want you to know this.
I got multiple ballots in one case, four ballots, and they're prepared to sign affidavits.
They're prepared to actually submit affidavits to say that they receive multiple ballots at their address.
mark finchem
Yes, they're prepared to do that, Steve.
And I think that the reason, in fact, one of the people said the reason that they'd come to me is they've seen how much fire I've been under.
And they say, we know we can trust you.
We can't trust these other jokers.
We know that the amount of attack that you are under, you are not going to give up on this thing.
And we trust you with our information.
So here it is.
This is our experience and we're willing to stand by it.
steve bannon
I want to tell the audience, I know many moderate Republicans in Georgia that are not Trump people, right, are not part of the Trump movement, are not America First, not MAGA.
But they would come to me and say, hey, either they themselves or friends got multiple ballots and there were multiple ballots of other neighbors, some Democrats, some independents.
In Georgia, that this Georgia situation might even be worse than what's happening in Arizona.
Why has no one pursued this as of today, Mark?
This is pretty explosive.
If it turns out that multiple ballots were sent out, why are we now in May of 2021 and it finally getting sorted or beginning to get sorted?
mark finchem
Well, I think there's two reasons, Steve.
Number one, everybody's focus has been on Maricopa County.
And I get it.
That is where the biggest pool, if you will, of potential fraud exists.
Now, you get outside of Maricopa County, the next most populous county, Pima.
That's where I live.
So when I have people come forward just over the last couple of weeks, I mean, before that, they didn't come forward.
And now that we've got the audit provision or the audit work going on in Maricopa County, and people have seen that this is not going away.
As I've said many times, this ain't going away.
They have come forward and said, we trust what you guys are doing and we believe that you really do care more about the election than anything else.
So we're willing to put it out there and tell you what our experience was.
That's huge, Steve.
When Democrats, Independents and Republicans come together about the election integrity, that's enormous.
steve bannon
Yeah.
One of the things out there in Arizona, by the way, Pima County is Tucson, Maricopa County would be basically Phoenix, is John Brakey.
Remember, John Brakey is a Bernie Sanders fire-breathing, populist, progressive.
He is not part of the Trump movement.
He's not a Trump guy at all.
He's about elections that have integrity.
He's been saying for years that the progressive left's been getting skunked.
Hey, I don't know.
I'm just saying this guy's a Democrat.
and certain of these places have been taking elections, but then particular environmental issues.
Hey, I don't know. I'm just saying this guy's a Democrat.
The other thing is that we know from the Jimmy Kimmel experience the other night with Mike Lindell, which has now had over 3 million downloads or views on YouTube, besides huge numbers on that day.
The number one thing people comment about, besides Lindell's humility and being a former drug addict who turned his life around, is the fact he answered the question that, hey, if Trump had won, On that day, and I felt it was this type of election integrity, he would be putting in the same effort.
That has struck a chord in a lot of independents, and when you say that, hey, 30%, this is a CNN poll, and they were in shock, they were, you know, Jake Tapper and these guys, oh my God, 70% of Republicans believe the big lie.
What they never commented on was the 30% of independents, and those independents, trust me, are not Trump movement people.
Mark, you're fighting the good fight out there.
I know you're running for Secretary of State.
What's your social media?
How do people get to you and get to the journal?
mark finchem
Well, first of all, if you want to help me and just put election integrity first, you can go to VoteFincham.com.
That's V-O-T-E-F-I-N-C-H-E-M.com.
If folks want to receive a copy of the journal, which I try to get out every Sunday, just send me an email to Mark Fincham.
That's M-A-R-K.
F like Frank, I-N-C-H-E-M like Mark, at me.com.
All you need to do is write the word journal in the subject line.
Then you can find me on Gab.
I'm out on Parler a little bit, but things have been pretty darn busy lately, so I haven't been able to keep up on the whole social media thing.
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