April 27, 2021 - Bannon's War Room
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Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world. | |
| So you don't want to frighten the American public. | ||
| France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans. | ||
| But you need to prepare for and assume. | ||
| Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China. | ||
| This is going to be a real serious problem. | ||
| France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on. | ||
| Health officials are investigating more than 100 possible cases in the US. | ||
| Germany, a man has contracted the virus. | ||
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus. | ||
| Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500. | ||
| We have to prepare for the worst, always. | ||
| Because if you don't, then the worst happens. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Pandemic. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| It's Tuesday, the 27th of April, the year of our Lord 2021, now with almost 50 million downloads on the podcast, of course live on radio, John Frederick's Radio Network. | ||
| I want to thank all the folks down in Atlanta, WMLB AM 1690, also the guys out in Denver, Real America's Voice, couldn't do it without them, Dish Channel 219, Comcast Channel 113, we're on the bird and on cable, of course Roku, Pluto, all the different platforms, and Simulcast in Mandarin on GNews and GTV to the diaspora of the Chinese people looking for freedom throughout the world and blown through the firewall later in the day to Lao Baijing. | ||
| Old hundred names, the deplorables of China every day on the show. | ||
| And I say this as someone that's sanctioned, formally sanctioned by the Chinese Communist Party four minutes into the Biden administration. | ||
| With Matt Pottinger, the Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and of course, our own Peter Navarro, that we are there to assist the Chinese people in their long struggle for freedom. | ||
| Okay, you're in the War Room. | ||
| We're going to bring it. | ||
| We've got so much going on. | ||
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| There's lots to go around, including Raheem's slippers and moccasins, 40% off. | ||
| We're going to start putting a picture of Raheem on there. | ||
| Now, Jimmy Kimmel... Lindale's going to be in the War Room tomorrow for the great classic, his event with Jimmy Kimmel on the Jimmy Kimmel Show on Wednesday. | ||
| We want to make that bigger than the... | ||
| Bigger than the Oscars! | ||
| We're going to get to Chris Fenton in a second, the great producer who's challenged the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| Captain Maureen Bannon joins me. | ||
| We've got Captain, a very special guest, Captain Corey Ray over at the National War College here to talk to us, a great theoretician, strategist, talking to us about the Beijing Olympics. | ||
| Remember we had John Mills and Frank Gaffney in here yesterday talking about the exact same thing. | ||
| So, very controversial. | ||
| Fenton's going to join us in a second, but I've got to go to Raheem Kassam. | ||
| By the way, anything else from the War Room Posse on the last segment, Captain Bannon? | ||
| That rhinos are worse than dems. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| By the way, you can jump in here any time. | ||
| It's not like you're a little girl. | ||
| I don't do the talking. | ||
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You're not the boss of me, as you would say. | |
| Okay, I have to bring Raheem in. | ||
| Raheem is on assignment today, working over the great national pulse. | ||
| Breaking stories left and right. | ||
| The great story on scientism the other day with Noelle Garnier. | ||
| You've got all the great investigative reporting. | ||
| But, this is a called shot. | ||
| Rahim told us that Boris Johnson's in deep trouble. | ||
| I kind of brushed it off. | ||
| Then overnight when all the British papers confirmed that with the front page headlines. | ||
| Of course, Rahim's getting me up at like three in the morning saying, I told you so. | ||
| So Rahim, first off, what's going on with Boris Johnson before we turn? | ||
| Let's take the British, then we'll take the French. | ||
| Take the Anglo-Saxons first, then we'll take the French next. | ||
| The Norman's next. | ||
| What's going on in the United Kingdom with Boris Johnson? | ||
| Well, listeners of my podcast... Did you know I had a podcast? | ||
| I heard something about that. | ||
| We did three long episodes back in February about Carrie Simmons, the Prime Minister's fiancée, and all of these kind of sketchy deals that were going on around her and the Conservative Party's campaign headquarters and money going to Downing Street and so on and so forth. | ||
| And at the time they were roundly dismissed as, you know, sexist and people are just angry that there's a young woman with a lot of power in Downing Street. | ||
| It turns out we were right the whole time. | ||
| There has been a significant amount of Malfeasance going on at 10 Downing Street and they revolve around both Boris Johnson and Carrie Simmons. | ||
| And finally, while the news of this isn't new to those of us who have been studying the situation in Downing Street for a while, finally it appears that the media has started to pick up concerns around this. | ||
| Members of Boris Johnson's own party are now expressing public concern about this. | ||
| And as you saw there from the Daily Mail front page, Boris Johnson is now on the ropes. | ||
| When you say that, by the way, isn't this tied, though, to something about the lockdowns and about the CCP virus, about coming back out, wearing masks? | ||
| Isn't he caught up in all that? | ||
| They had some recordings, I guess, that he was talking about previously, of the previous lockdowns. | ||
| Isn't a lot of this, that he's on the ropes now, If it's not directly tied to Kerry Simmons, it may be tied to his handling, as we've seen. | ||
| Newsom, everybody should understand, we're going to have the California guys on the evening show. | ||
| Newsom's now officially going to go to a recall in California. | ||
| Cuomo's under enormous investigations about the nursing homes. | ||
| He's also under investigations about the situation with the staff. | ||
| And others. | ||
| But, you know, President Trump, you could argue, hey, the whole, you know, the steal was driven by the mail-in ballots, right, by the CCP virus. | ||
| Is Boris Johnson another guy that's on the ropes because of handling of COVID-19? | ||
| Well, that's an excuse. | ||
| That is a more convenient excuse for the media to use, and it's a far more popular excuse than delving into his private life, his finances, his fiancée and what she's been up to. | ||
| It's far more a clean-cut level of attack. | ||
| On Boris Johnson. | ||
| So yes, there are new stories coming out that Boris Johnson has been saying things like that he'd rather have the bodies piled high in their thousands than shut the country down again. | ||
| Unfortunately, the United Kingdom does appear to have a majority of people who still believe in the lockdowns and you can understand why when the government is paying 80% of people's salaries in order for them to just stay home and not go out of the house. | ||
| So, unfortunately, the government is bribing people to care more about this than they maybe should, especially given their freedoms have been taken away from them for the better part of the last year. | ||
| So, yes, those stories are out there. | ||
| Of course, there are stories swirling around about Dominic Cummings, his former advisor, the man they used to call Britain's Bannon. | ||
| He left his government job a couple of months ago in this huge fit of pique surrounding him and Carrie Simmons. | ||
| And, of course, it's all wrapped up there. | ||
| But the takeaway from all of this is that the You know, Boris Johnson is not Donald Trump. | ||
| People have to remember that. | ||
| He may have been compared to him quite a lot, but he is, at the end of the day, a very, very sort of Paul Ryan-type figure. | ||
| Free market, far more libertarian, far more classically liberal. | ||
| Not necessarily a nationalist or a populist in the sense that we understand it. | ||
| So yes, the establishment are going for him, but I'm not sure there'll be too many real, what I call real right-wingers, who actually care at this point. | ||
| He's done nothing for the populist or nationalist causes, and we can't wait to see the back of him. | ||
| Okay, I want to tie this back to the United States, because right now they're saying one of the problems we have in employment is that the unemployment benefits are so good. | ||
| That's one of the reasons we have now this labor shortage in certain industries starting to open back up. | ||
| The United Kingdom does not have the flexibility of the United States. | ||
| We're the world's prime reserve currency. | ||
| So we can run trillions of dollars of budget deficits, whatever the Chinese and the Gulf Emirates and the Japanese don't buy of our bonds, and whatever we don't raise taxes to do, we can just print money, right? | ||
| We can monetize the debt. | ||
| We have the luxury of doing that since the greatest export we have is the U.S. | ||
| dollar. | ||
| The United Kingdom was our predecessor when the pound, I think it was right after World War II, in Bretton Woods, when the pound stopped Being the primary reserve currency and we saw the rapid decline of the British Empire. | ||
| You don't have the flexibility. | ||
| How can England right now continue to pay these benefits of 80% of all this? | ||
| Aren't you guys, isn't one of the issues here, the underlying issues that you're hurling towards a financial and economic crisis? | ||
| Well, I mean, yes, but at this point in time, I mean, especially people of my generation, we look around and as you know, I'm not an economic impresario by any stretch of the imagination. | ||
| We look around and we go, you know, so what? | ||
| At this point, you know, there's been so much lumping of debt on debt on debt. | ||
| People of my age who are trying to enter the property market or even trying to buy cars or whatever, all we're concerned about is the top line, right? | ||
| And that's the 80% that the government's handing down for people to do nothing in their lives. | ||
| Now, personally, I'm more concerned about the cultural implications of that, the psychological implications of that, the health implications of that, than I am of some numbers on a page that are just doubling and doubling and doubling every couple of years. | ||
| I mean, it was the Conservative Party under David Cameron who doubled the national debt despite coming in in 2010 claiming that they were going to reduce the deficit and then start paying down the national debt. | ||
| We're 11 years on from when David Cameron came to office and the national debt is now something like 5, 6x times 11 years ago. | ||
| Okay, we're going to have John Tamney, former editor at Forbes. | ||
| He's the editor of RealClearMarkets, one of the most powerful sites out there. | ||
| He's also over at FreedomWorks, one of the senior policy guys now. | ||
| Nigel Farage, by the way, he's going to be with us at 4 o'clock. | ||
| I'm going to do the John Fredrick Show today. | ||
| Nigel Farage is going to join us. | ||
| He's doing a tour. | ||
| We're going to have John Tamney on here. | ||
| We're going to specifically address what Rahim just talked about. | ||
| People, what we try to do is make sure you understand concepts. | ||
| This concept that's driving the modern world right now in finance and economics is modern monetary theory. | ||
| It's a whole different way to think about capital, a whole different way to think about money. | ||
| It is the reason that AOC said yesterday, said, hey, I see the $2 trillion infrastructure program. | ||
| I think we ought to do a $10 trillion infrastructure Green New Deal program. | ||
| We'll get to the basics of how they can even talk about that on Thursday with John Tenney. | ||
| So, Rahim, so you won that one on Boris. | ||
| That was a called shot. | ||
| What is going on? | ||
| We had Jerome Revere from National Rally, the old Front National, who's the senior member of Parliament for those guys in Brussels. | ||
| He was on the show, what, a month or so ago when he was here in the US. | ||
| But you had this shocking thing in France yesterday. | ||
| I mean, we had nine 9 of the 11 combatant commanders of the United States signed a letter and it's come out now that they're concerned about the information warfare of the Chinese Communist Party and the Russians and maybe we're not being quick enough. | ||
| But in France, and this was the lead story in the Daily Mail for a while, is that 20 generals have come forward and say if Macron does not step up immediately and stop the rapid decline of the French nation, That they would support and be prepared to step in? | ||
| I mean, walk us through the specifics here, because it's pretty shocking. | ||
| These are very prominent retired members of the French military. | ||
| Exactly what are they saying? | ||
| Yes, so this is a story that's been kind of raging for the last couple of days in France. | ||
| There was an open letter published in the right-wing French magazine Valeurs Actuelles, which you've been in, I think you've done interviews with as well, Steve. | ||
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It's a very, very... I think I've been on the cover. | |
| Yeah, it's a highbrow intellectual right-wing magazine. | ||
| I'm not sure why they had you on the cover then, but anyway, they are known for making a lot of news, especially within the Rassemblement Nationale, the national rally. | ||
| We used to be the national front there some of our national party marine lapens party that is fighting this you know very very hot election battle others coming up over the next year now you had twenty retired generals who a lot of them have you know he's a big in you know right to issue right wing wall off that had work dealings with other conservative parties in france over the last couple years But this has never really happened in any recent sense. | ||
| Certainly not that I can remember in French politics in my lifetime. | ||
| When 20 retired generals write this letter in Villers-Actuel that says, hey, we believe Macron is taking this country to a point where there will be no return demographically. | ||
| They talked about the suburban hordes. | ||
| They're talking about Islamization, these no-go zones in a lot of places that I've done extensive research into. | ||
| And this has created a massive war of words between the current defense establishment under Macron in France and these retired generals who say hang on and by the way it's not just 20 generals there's 80 officers that have signed this letter I think a thousand others who are lower ranked have signed on to this in some way shape or form as well and they say you know they hang over hang on a second These are also some of those prominent, I mean, it's the head of the French Foreign Legion. | ||
| You've got these 20, you've got some that are legendary figures in the French military, correct? | ||
| Have graduated from all the West Point of France. | ||
| These are of the highest reputation, correct? | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Christian Picmal is 80. | ||
| He was the commander of the Foreign Legion, I think, for four or five years. | ||
| You have Jean-Pierre Fabre-Bernadac. | ||
| I'm sorry if I'm butchering any of these names here. | ||
| He was one of the writers of this thing. | ||
| You have Emmanuel de Richouf. | ||
| A whole host of others. | ||
| These are people with national profiles. | ||
| I wouldn't call them household names, but they're people in the know-know, and they're people with distinctive backgrounds in service to their country. | ||
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Raheem, hang on one second. | |
| We've got to take a break. | ||
| I need to hold you over. | ||
| We've got to drill into this, and we're going to get Chris Fenton on. | ||
| Chris Fenton, the great Hollywood producer. | ||
| I think he had a deal over Disney. | ||
| Knows the Disney guys very well. | ||
| Has been pushing back on the Chinese Communist Party for a while. | ||
| Very bold and brave guy. | ||
| I'm going to have him on here to talk about the Oscars, but particularly this information warfare with the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| How it's playing now through woke companies and particularly about this issue with the Olympics in 2022. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| We're going to return to the War Room in just a moment. | ||
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War Room Pandemic with Stephen K Banham. | |
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| War Room Pandemic. | ||
| Here's your host Stephen K Banham. | ||
| Okay, I want to refer back to the tip sheet for the Party of Davos. | ||
| That would be the Financial Times of London, my favorite paper, salmon-colored. | ||
| Not pink, Rahim, salmon-colored. | ||
| Its headline the other day was, Xi calls for a new world order, an attack on U.S. | ||
| global leadership. | ||
| And in that first paragraph, they said, Xi Jinping has called for a new world order. | ||
| This is the Financial Times of London, not the War Room. | ||
| has called for a new world order launching a veiled attack against US global leadership and warning against an economic wait for it Decoupling of the two superpowers. | ||
| Warning against. | ||
| This is the big thing that the Chinese can't have right now. | ||
| The Chinese Communist Party, a transnational criminal organization, cannot have that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Whether you think, by the way, the CCP virus, the COVID virus, it's throughout the world, whether you think it's a total hoax or you think it's a bioweapon from the Wuhan lab, the one thing we do know is that you have to boost your immune system. | ||
| The way to do it is to start with vitamin D3 and zinc. | ||
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| Action, action, action! | ||
| Speaking of action, let's go back to France where Raheem, this story is so huge on so many different levels. | ||
| Here's one of the reasons it's huge and people just remember this about trends and patterns and things that happen is Raheem Kassam at Breitbart London and working with Nigel Farage. | ||
| We'll have Nigel on at four o'clock. | ||
| That led, I think, one of the most important elections in the total history of the United Kingdom. | ||
| And that was the Brexit vote in June of 2016. | ||
| And what do we say on that morning, the day after, that this was the great forerunner, the foreshadowing of the Trump victory in November 16. | ||
| And this was when Trump was 8, 10, 12 points down to Hillary Clinton. | ||
| It's inextricably linked. | ||
| The way these movements go. | ||
| And the reason this story in France is big, because the election for President of France, Macron versus Le Pen, will take place in May of 2022. | ||
| That will be a forerunner. | ||
| That will be a forerunner to these, what I say, is the next presidential election in 2022, because now they're in two-year cycles. | ||
| And if we take back the House of Representatives with a sweeping Tea Party victory, Right? | ||
| That that will change the direction of American history. | ||
| That is going to be seen by what happens in France in the spring of that year. | ||
| And now in France, you have 20 members of the military that have put out a public letter. | ||
| And I guess, exactly what are they calling for? | ||
| Are they putting Macron on notice? | ||
| They're saying the country is about to implode? | ||
| What is their beef? | ||
| And what is their solution? | ||
| And what is Marine Le Pen doing about it? | ||
| Well, just a quick correction here. | ||
| The Financial Times is actually Salmon Pink, so you could say Salmon or Pink. | ||
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I will have you know. | |
| And you know what's really interesting is an analogy. | ||
| The Financial Times was originally printed on pink paper because it was cheaper to do so on unbleached paper. | ||
| And now it's actually more expensive to do that because they have to bleach it to keep that color now, rather than the other way around. | ||
| So it's kind of a good analogy as to how the Financial Times has gone in its thinking as well. | ||
| The letter, back to France, and I think your framing of this is absolutely correct. | ||
| The historical moment that we're about to see over the course of the next year is one that we will remember as well as we remember 2016, and our French friends are going to be a massive part of it. | ||
| The letter from the generals and the rest who have signed this says, quote, France is in danger. | ||
| Several mortal perils threaten her. | ||
| in retirement we remain soldiers of france and cannot in the present circumstances remain indifferent to the fate of our beautiful country it talks about the uh... the band of the the suburbs again as i've said it before and other people said the no-go zones uh... across the country the lack of integration that's going on the kowtowing uh... the people persist uh... in doing to radical islam or jihadism or the excuses that are being made for the attacks on jewish communities | ||
| on churches across France. | ||
| I mean, those attacks haven't stopped. | ||
| They've just become so routine that you don't see them, you know, in the banners on the news chyrons anymore and flashing into the news cycle over here. | ||
| But they're still happening. | ||
| And so these generals are saying, hey, look, we have stood by and watched. | ||
| We have allowed the democratic process to play its course. | ||
| But if it comes to the eradication of the nation, then some of us may step in and do something about it. | ||
| Now, obviously, that is a massive, massive intervention and it's been welcomed. | ||
| Some of us may step in. | ||
| OK, some of us may step in and do something about it. | ||
| Let's leave that hanging out there. | ||
| We're going to continue the story. | ||
| But my question is, Is this a Day of the Jackal moment? | ||
| And what I mean by that, not the assassination of Macron, obviously, but I want to refer back to the whole concept of the Day of the Jackal. | ||
| In losing Algiers, there was a number of members of the French Foreign Legion and others in the right-wing community in France that were so upset about the collapse of colonialism in Southeast Asia, in Vietnam, and in North Africa, that they went up against the French establishment and they really targeted de Gaulle, who, by the way, is no liberal, right? | ||
| I mean, he was stalwart against the Nazis and led the resistance and came back and helped open up France with the American army and Montgomery and the British. | ||
| But there are many attempted assassination attempts on him historically because of this. | ||
| Is this just a bunch of right-wing generals who are upset about the collapse of colonialism and can't take the fact that France today is becoming more multicultural and under Macron? | ||
| Macron's kind of the Obama of that party that kind of came out of nowhere as kind of the Obama of France. | ||
| Is that what they're concerned about or is there a deeper issue here? | ||
| Well, I certainly think these generals have become more attracted to right-wing politics and parties over the years. | ||
| I don't think that they have necessarily been known, I mean, maybe in recent years, but not over their careers have they been known as kind of right-wing generals. | ||
| This is something that's quite unique to the last five to ten years, this shift in French politics. | ||
| You're seeing it all over the place, and you're also seeing it... I mean, one of the guys that came out strongly condemning this letter was Mélenchon, the communist candidate in France, and he's particularly concerned because he has been losing the support of ordinary working-class people. | ||
| I mean, he doesn't poll way up there anyway, but these third and fourth parties end up making a difference because of the way the French elections work. | ||
| So Melenchon is worried that he won't have as much weight, that his words won't carry as much if he's lowering the polls, because the working classes are abandoning him. | ||
| And who are they abandoning him for? | ||
| They're not going over to Macron, they're going over to Marine Le Pen. | ||
| And so you combine this with that, and you're in a position now where Le Pen is actually polling ahead of Macron in a lot of the polls. | ||
| It's a fascinating election we're about to see. | ||
| This is a horse race in France, and what happens in France in the spring of 2022 is going to foreshadow what's going to happen in the United States in November. | ||
| Okay, Raheem, National Pulse, what do you got going? | ||
| How do people get to you? | ||
| Do you have a podcast today? | ||
| Yeah, we've got a lot going on today. | ||
| I will have a podcast later on in the day. | ||
| We've got a couple of new stories up this morning, and of course we'll have more Natalie Winters publishing more scoops later on in the day, so stay tuned. | ||
| The single best investigative reporting on the Chinese Communist Party is the National Pulse. | ||
| Rahim Ghassan, the publisher, editor, and founder, and of course Natalie Winters and the team over there, just fantastic. | ||
| I'm looking forward to Scientism Part 2 by Nell Grenier. | ||
| So thank you very much, Rahim. | ||
| Fantastic reporting over there. | ||
| Okay, I want to give a timeline and a critical path. | ||
| You're going to have an election in France in spring of 2022. | ||
| That's going to be a forerunner to what happens in our country in November of 2022, which is a massive, massive election, particularly for the control of the House of Representatives. | ||
| I want to pull back the camera. | ||
| I want to go to the winter of 2022, because in Beijing, There's going to be a Winter Olympics. | ||
| I want to bring in now Chris Fenton, the great producer who wrote the great book that took on the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| Chris, thank you so much for joining us and for Captain Ray to join us. | ||
| And maybe I'll start with Captain Ray. | ||
| Can we get the... I want to go to the... | ||
| We just had Frank Gaffney and the Committee on Present Danger guys on here yesterday. | ||
| They're all fired up. | ||
| They sent a letter out to the known world saying, hey, they went to the Olympic Committee in Colorado Springs and said, we're giving you 10 days. | ||
| And we're giving the companies around you 10 days. | ||
| And if you don't back out of this Olympics and send it to a free country, we're going to form a boycott because this is the genocide games. | ||
| In the year 2022, which is going to be a massive year politically for the Judeo-Christian West and the United States, the year starts in Beijing, in the mountains around Beijing, for Winter Olympics. | ||
| Why is this thing so important, and why do you include it in this concept of American soft power, right, of really the information warfare part? | ||
| I want to turn first to Captain Ray, and Kristen, we'll get to you. | ||
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Hey, Steve, thanks for inviting me on your show today. | |
| This topic's been brewing for a few years now. | ||
| It's nice to see people bring it up and take a notice. | ||
| One thing I would like to put out first is a disclaimer. | ||
| I'm not here to represent the Navy or the National War College or Department of Defense. | ||
| I'm offering my own opinions that have been based on research and reading that I've done over the last three or four years. | ||
| You've spent your time as a strategist looking at the convergence of sports in national strategy and national policy, correct? | ||
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Right, right. | |
| At the National War College, I developed a course that looks at the development of a strategy through the lens of sports. | ||
| Our job at the National War College is to develop strategy and develop strategists that are going to go on to the National Security Council and the COCOMs. | ||
| And this offers an alternative perspective of looking at strategy through the lens of sports. | ||
| And so what we look at is historical perspectives of how the U.S. | ||
| government has used sports to achieve national interests. | ||
| Obviously, the 1980 Carter administration's boycott of the Soviet games is a key case study that we look at and then that obviously applies to the Beijing 2022. And so what you can do is you can look at, you know, one of America's prime interest is our value set and obviously we've got a, you know, that's being challenged right now by Beijing. So what do you guys, so Fenton let me bring you in here. | ||
| What are you guys calling for? | ||
| You're pretty aggressive when it comes to the CCP. | ||
| You have the spectrum of people that are saying, hey, you've got the Berlin Olympics of 1936, right? | ||
| Nobody stood up to the Nazis. | ||
| We'll let the games go on. | ||
| And yes, you had Jesse Owens, and it was fantastic about his putting the lie to the ubermensch and to the Superman theory. | ||
| But, you still, Hitler and these guys still got the prestige of holding the Olympic Games and having Lenny Riefenstahl do the film Olympiad and he still uses it as propaganda. | ||
| Now you've got the Beijing Games and we're at loggerheads. | ||
| I mean, look, I pride myself in being part of, you know, as Josh Rogin calls us, the super hawks in his amazing book about the Trump administration. | ||
| You know, we're not, we're beyond the You've got the hardliners, you've got the realists, and then you've got the accommodation. | ||
| On top of that, you've got the super hawks. | ||
| We want the destruction of the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
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| Pandemic. | ||
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| The epidemic is a demon, and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
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| Pandemic. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Captain Bannon, you're supposed to keep me on track here. | ||
| You know I get so... No, you've got a job. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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I just... I was so engrossed in this topic, I just plowed right through the break. | |
| That's okay. | ||
| I want to go back to Fenton. | ||
| Now here we got two... And we got other stuff I got to get to with you, Fenton, so bear with me. | ||
| I want you... You're arguing that we ought to have a total boycott, and the captain is going to say we got to be more nuanced and smarter about soft power. | ||
| So make the case... Make your case of what we ought to do with Beijing, sir. | ||
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Actually, to tell you the truth, I know the importance of the Chinese Communist Party's narrative in pulling off the most perfect adult dinner party possible, which is the Beijing Winter Olympics. | |
| And that means having perfect attendance. | ||
| By all nations around the world. | ||
| So there's a big face issue there. | ||
| And what I, my argument is, instead of arguing whether we actually do a boycott or not, let's talk about the things we're going to require of the Chinese Communist Party in order for us to show up. | ||
| And in order for many of our allies to show up. | ||
| Because you know Australia, Canada and the UK will probably follow suit with us. | ||
| And we can probably get many more. | ||
| And that gives us a huge amount of leverage to get some things done in the next 300 days. | ||
| Okay, so what are you calling for? | ||
| What types of things? | ||
| Give me a requirement. | ||
| How about this? | ||
| Let me throw out a random one. | ||
| How about we have an international consortium of the smartest people in the world in Wuhan with all data and access to everything to get to the bottom of what happened in the Wuhan lab? | ||
| Is that good? | ||
| Chris, would you support that? | ||
| Or is that too tough? | ||
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It's fantastic ideas. | |
| I mean, essentially, we got to get in a room with a handful of the best experts in the world and talk about these things. | ||
| But that is one. | ||
| Another would be the same kind of access to the Uyghur facilities in Xinjiang to actually see what's really going on there. | ||
| I think they should stop military exercises around Taiwan. | ||
| There's various things that we can talk about that should all be on the table. | ||
| Brother, I'm going to turn to the Captain here, but if you put those on the table, like, no patrols in the South China Sea, back off of Taiwan, we want an international humanitarian group to go check all the things in the Uyghurs, and by the way, we want Wuhan, I can tell you what their long answer is. | ||
| It starts with an F and ends with U. The short answer is no. | ||
| Captain, you're arguing something else. | ||
| What are you arguing? | ||
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Steve, I think it may be useful to look at, you know, what are we trying to do? | |
| And ultimately, what we're trying to do is change Chinese behavior. | ||
| And when you look at it from the context of strategy development, this would be considered coercion, right? | ||
| So, no coercion, top of a red line. | ||
| Hey, country A, you need to do something, change the status quo, or else we're going to make it so painful if you don't. | ||
| Or the other way, right? | ||
| Nuclear deterrence, you're across the Folded Gap, you stay on your side, we're going to make it so painful, right? | ||
| So what we're really talking about here... You're talking about the Soviet strategy, we have the Soviets up in the German plane, hey, if you do this, you've got a problem. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| So, you know, coercion. | ||
| So really, what we're saying with a boycott is, hey, unless you do this, we are not going to attend to your dinner party, that Chris referenced. | ||
| And so, I think you've got to look at it first, you've got to correctly define what we're trying to do, and we're trying to coerce them into behavior change. | ||
| And so I'll offer... What would be the behavior change? | ||
| What's the outcomes that you would be looking for to do this coercion? | ||
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Well, I think it's what Chris has mentioned and what you mentioned. | |
| It's, hey, you know, open up the labs in Wuhan, open up the camps in, you know, the Uyghur communities. | ||
| Those are those behavior changes that... Do you think, I'll get to Fenton in a second, do you believe, as a strategist, that, and let's take three big ones, The Uyghur camp with the humanitarian crisis problem, right? | ||
| Genocide, and this is what Gaffney is saying, the State Department, by the way, it's interesting, Blinken and those guys have not backed off the terminology of genocide of Pompeo and the Trump administration. | ||
| For as much as I think they're cow-tongued, they have not backed off that language at all. | ||
| The Wuhan lab, which is obviously explosive in its controversy. | ||
| And in Taiwan, which I call Silicon Valley West, that the chips make it absolutely essential to American national security policy, regardless of your belief of the higher moral things we have to do to protect freedom and democracy with the free Chinese in Taiwan, just the practical nature of the chips. | ||
| Those three elements alone, back off Taiwan, open up the Uyghur camps, and open up Wuhan, let's get to the bottom. | ||
| Aren't they at such a level that it's almost the end of April of 2021? | ||
| It's nice to say dinner parties and things like that, but you're basically saying we should start organizing right now at the West because nobody's going to go to this game. | ||
| Captain? | ||
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Obviously, we're late in the game addressing this. | |
| Aren't the stakes high too? | ||
| You've raised up those are three. | ||
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When they say that's non-negotiable, Sure, I mean I would have to offer it to Chris as the China expert. | |
| I'm the sports and kind of strategy lane for sure. | ||
| I couldn't say one way or the other if China would or would not bend to our desires. | ||
| But you saw, listen, my inflection point with the Chinese, the CCP, understanding their direction, was the 2008 Olympic Games when I was over in China. | ||
| That, Fenton, that was the most massive propaganda Anywhere. | ||
| And you saw the West, when you were there, the West was there to kowtow to them. | ||
| And they had that, and they had, the CCP had, hey, we're a 10,000 year civilization, we had high art and science when you guys were in caves, and we control this. | ||
| The CCP controls this. | ||
| I mean, 2008 were the Berlin Games of 36. | ||
| So Fenton, the stakes are so high, the captains laid out why sports is so important, particularly for the regime, How are you... you're basically saying you should call Boris Johnson, the Australians, today because we're not going. | ||
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No, I'm literally saying... and what you said about 2008 is so on the mark. | |
| I mean, that was their coming-of-age party for the world to see. | ||
| They were leaving pre-adolescence and moving into the adolescent stage of this capitalistic superpower, right? | ||
| Now they're an adult and they're throwing this fancy dinner party. | ||
| And if it doesn't go off perfectly, there's lots of face that's lost. | ||
| So we talked about three big, I guess, North Star ideas, but there's lots of little checking of the boxes that we can do. | ||
| For instance, Canada wants to get the two Michaels back, right? | ||
| There's SEC accounting standards that we can go after. | ||
| There's obviously Daryl Morey's 76ers, which are completely washed out of the psyche of the Chinese public because of Daryl Morey's freedom of speech rights in Houston, Texas. | ||
| Hold it, hold it. | ||
| But Fenton, hang on. | ||
| But are you saying that you would go to the smaller checks? | ||
| There's probably tons of that kind of stuff. | ||
| They were throwing a couple of guys from Canada that they snatched because of the Huawei CFO. | ||
| They would back off and maybe do some accounting standards so that they had a little more transparency as long as Wall Street kept selling the stock. | ||
| And by the way, they just sold, was it $6.8 billion worth of IPOs in the United States since the beginning of the year, a record in the first quarter, I might add. | ||
| So they'll check off, wouldn't they check off a ton of, I mean the captain's right, the sports is so big and they use it in such a weapon, information warfare weapon, they'll check off all the smaller boxes. | ||
| But the three North Stars, particularly the North of all North Stars, Wuhan, the world can't go forward. | ||
| Until we get to the bottom of Wuhan. | ||
| You have to do that. | ||
| You see right now in India, you see in Brazil, this virus is mutating all over the place. | ||
| You have Modi, the government of Modi could fall, right? | ||
| Bolsonaro could fall, right? | ||
| And right now, Boris Johnson. | ||
| I would advocate different than Rahim. | ||
| It's actually more about his handling of the COVID. | ||
| Then the girlfriend that thinks that has all the power at 10 Downing Street. | ||
| Newsom's getting recalled, right? | ||
| That guy was going to be President of the United States. | ||
| Cuomo is going to be investigated by a grand jury because of the nursing homes. | ||
| All because of Wuhan. | ||
| How do you back off the big three North Stars? | ||
| When you have the stakes are this high, and I don't think people are going to understand, you start 2022 with the type of games they're going to put on, and the propaganda they're going to put on, and remember, they're not known as a winter sports, this is not Switzerland and Austria, right? | ||
| The Chinese are going to show you, the CCP is going to roll out a red carpet for a perfect, perfect dinner party. | ||
| So how do you back off the North Stars, Fenton? | ||
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It's all I'm suggesting is that we're looking at it the wrong way. | |
| There is a massive amount of leverage we have over the next 300 days. | ||
| I'm throwing out ideas of things that we can require of the Chinese to settle on and say, OK, we're good with it. | ||
| Some of them are North Stars and are going to be very difficult to get. | ||
| But one thing about China that I learned from getting business done over there is businesses that enter that market sometimes get overwhelmed with this pie-in-the-sky, where-they-want-to-go-someday strategy and they never get anywhere. | ||
| Part of getting stuff done in China is that death by a thousand cuts mantra Which is you need to check boxes to slowly climb those stairs towards what that North Star goal is So we get no one North Star done great, but let's check a bunch of other boxes too while we're at it there's so many that we need to fix and And so many things, like Matt Pottinger says, we're running out of time. | ||
| We got until 2025 to deal with this issue. | ||
| And if we don't start checking boxes now, we're never even going to get to those baby steps, let alone the North Star. | ||
| This is the most sophisticated audience about the CCP, but just explain for the audience who may have joined recently, explain to them why 2025 and the great Matt Pottinger makes such a big deal about that. | ||
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Well, China 2025 is one of their long-term plans, this game of chess that the CCP plays over and over again on the world. | |
| And this is one where they want to be internally able to deal sufficiently with their own economy and their own people. | ||
| Remember, the goal of the Chinese Communist Party is to keep 1.4 billion people just happy enough that they don't revolt. | ||
| And if they can do that without dealing with supply chain issues for microchips or other tech issues, Or things that are important to their national security supply chain, then they win, and they're able to provide that for their people, and they're able to stay in power for the long term. | ||
| Made in China 2025, and just randomly, when we talk about transhumanism, just a random, of the 10 industries they said they will dominate by 2025, I'm gonna just throw out a couple of random ones. | ||
| Advanced chip design, regenerative robotics, artificial general intelligence, and oh yes, Biotechnology and gene editing, right? | ||
| And the conversion of that, we know where that leads us. | ||
| Another nightmare. | ||
| We'll address that another day. | ||
| I want to go back to the Captain and you, though. | ||
| A couple minutes we've got, and we ask you guys to stay over. | ||
| The great, and I think this is the best book on strategy since Clausewitz, this would be Unrestricted Warfare by the two Chinese colonels at the time. | ||
| One's a major general, the other's retired. | ||
| It talks about three types of warfare. | ||
| Information slash cyber, economic and kinetic. | ||
| And we all want to avoid a kinetic conflict with the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| And this is, we definitely want to avoid this. | ||
| In the South China Sea and around Taiwan, okay? | ||
| The way to avoid that is to actually, you know, address, and some people want to accommodate, other people want to compete, other people want to confront, right? | ||
| But the sports is both a combination of the economics and the information. | ||
| We just had this amazing piece by Betsy Woodruff Swan, who's a fabulous reporter over at Politico, and if we can get this, and I'll tell you what, Fenton, we'll address this after the break, but I just want to tee it up. | ||
| Actually, it's about declassification and these combatant commanders talking about DNI coming to make a statement, but that's not really what it's about. | ||
| That's kind of the practicality. | ||
| They're talking about declassification, how quickly they can declassify things and get them out for the public to see. | ||
| The combatant commanders, and people have to realize, in the restructuring of the Pentagon, the really war-fighting capability comes up to the combatant commanders who directly report to the Joint Chiefs, and this is the way that the military structure from a non-administrator, but actually from Out into the areas where the rubber meets the road. | ||
| Their complaint, Fenton and Kapp, is that on information warfare, on basically what they call narrative, controlling the narrative, that we're much too slow. | ||
| And this is their saying. | ||
| They're saying we're much too slow to respond and that's why they want these things to get out further. | ||
| Fenton, I'll start with you. | ||
| We've got about 30 seconds. | ||
| What's your idea about that? | ||
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Look, I know Captain Ray probably can't comment on this, so I will. | |
| The disclosure of some of this information is super important because we have to wake up the American public, both red and blue, everybody, to the fact that we do have this massive challenge facing us from the CCP. | ||
| It's a slow motion train wreck and we need to heighten what it is to be perceived by the American public as something we need to address ASAP. | ||
| Okay, Chris, hold over. | ||
| You and the captain, we're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| We're going to come back in a moment in The War Room. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Pandemic. | ||
| With Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| War Room. | ||
| Pandemic. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Okay, programming notes, we got tomorrow morning, Mike Lindell's going to be here in the pre-game for his Jimmy Kimmel exercise. | ||
| He's also going to have updates on Frank, the platform he launched. | ||
| It's had a few hiccups, right? | ||
| A lot of that is getting attacked by the CCP constantly, right? | ||
| DDoS attacks. | ||
| He's going to have an update on that. | ||
| Also an update on absolute interference, the film, what he's doing with that, all that. | ||
| But he's also going to have some I think trolling of Jimmy Kimmel, I might say, trolling of Jimmy Kimmel. | ||
| OK, we're going to have then I'll be I'll be sitting in for John first day at four. | ||
| The great Nadja Faraj will join me in the big show at five o'clock today. | ||
| Raheem's got the podcast tomorrow with Lyndell. | ||
| We got John Tamney on Thursday. | ||
| The Great Economist. | ||
| They're going to talk to you about modern monetary theory, see how that's radically changed your lives and particularly the lives of your kids. | ||
| And then we're going to have the, we're going to have the Alaska, is it Kelly Sabaka? | ||
| The great candidate is running against Murkowski in Alaska. | ||
| She's going to be in the house. | ||
| On Friday. | ||
| It's going to be fantastic. | ||
| We're looking forward to that interview out there. | ||
| That's a massively important Senate race. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Captain Bannon, it looks like you got a lot of support for the, a lot of support for total ban. | ||
| It's so surprising that the War Room Posse, the War Room Live Chat is for complete and total ban of the 2022 games. | ||
| It's pretty anti-CCP crowd. | ||
| Well, I think it also goes over into different industries that the CCP now has control over to include Hollywood. | ||
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So banning in Hollywood as well. | |
| This is Fenton. | ||
| I'm going to get to him in a second about this whole comp. | ||
| By the way, another report out. | ||
| 500 scientists, I think, in the scientific community under investigation now for the 1,000 Talents Program and what they've done. | ||
| The infiltration is incredible. | ||
| I want to go back though, Captain, while we've got you, because you're the specialist, the strategist over at the National War College. | ||
| You focus on the sports. | ||
| Take us back in time, you know, before Reagan got here to take down the evil, call it an evil empire, and to focus on we win, they lose, and in eight years they were gone. | ||
| Jimmy Carter, who gets a lot of grief about a lot of things, and Zygmunt Brzezinski, they actually stood tall and said, hey, while the Soviet Union is acting like this, we're not going to, and I think particularly in Afghanistan and other places, we're not going to do it. | ||
| How successful So we tried a boycott before against a time, an enemy we thought was an existential threat. | ||
| How successful was the 1980 boycott of the Soviet games? | ||
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I mean, I would I would value it as not very successful. | |
| I don't want to say totally unsuccessful. | ||
| If you look at the timeline between when Jimmy Carter went on a Sunday morning talk show and said, we're going to boycott, there was no physical way the Soviets could have actually removed all their people, personnel and equipment from Afghanistan. | ||
| So he knew that going in. | ||
| So I would offer this was more of a I'm going to try to hurt them economically, right? | ||
| That instrument, that E, that economic instrument of power that you'd mentioned before. | ||
| And so there was really no realistic way they were going to get out. | ||
| And so from a messaging point, kind of back to that information piece, maybe a little bit, maybe it brought some light. | ||
| Did our allies follow us on that? | ||
| Who actually joined in? | ||
| Because this is the Ken Sutton today. | ||
| Who would actually be with us? | ||
| Who joined us in 1980? | ||
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Right. | |
| So surprisingly, China did. | ||
| Deng Xiaoping, come on baby. | ||
| He's trying to get recognized. | ||
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Japan did, but critically, some key allies, not specifically NATO allies, and so Australia, while not a NATO ally, still attended, but England and France still attended. | |
| How did NATO, which was set up against, how did NATO justify the fact, because you made it about Afghanistan, or how did they argue? | ||
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I think the Carter administration unfortunately misread our alliances and misread what the Soviet Union was doing in Afghanistan. | |
| And so, the mismatch here, you know, if you look at a, what am I going to put against it? | ||
| What it means am I going to put against this desired end state? | ||
| If the Carter administration is going to call this the largest existential threat to the security of the free world since World War II, and on the flip side, he's going to boycott a sporting event. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So that's an absolute mismatch. | ||
| You would agree, though, these are more than sporting events. | ||
| The information warfare part of this is particularly the way Beijing rolls, right? | ||
| They're trying to show their model works. | ||
| The failed West is in decline. | ||
| They're on the rise. | ||
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It's strictly a vehicle. | |
| Absolutely right. | ||
| So you're looking at these sporting events have become messaging opportunities. | ||
| So Fenton, you're in April. | ||
| You and the captain write this piece. | ||
| This is American Thinker. | ||
| We're going to put it back up in the live chat. | ||
| You've written this piece. | ||
| You've been on summer college. | ||
| You're doing these shows. | ||
| What's actionable? | ||
| What needs to be done today to really bring force to bear? | ||
| Because you don't have any figures like Peter Uberoff or anybody that kind of transcends sports, business, and politics. | ||
| Is this going to be driven by the Biden administration? | ||
| Does it be driven by somebody taking a political lead on this, having a congressional hearing? | ||
| What would you recommend? | ||
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Yeah, well, first of all, remember, in the information warfare game for the CCP, they're looking at pulling this off so that they can show the world how amazing they are as a superpower, but they also have to do it internally to their 1.4 billion people. | |
| So that's what gives us all the leverage. | ||
| Now, as far as who starts this process, if you look at sort of the muted nature of national security issues with China over the last 40 years, it allowed the business lobby To really dictate what our engagement was with China. | ||
| But now if you look at the administration, people like Laura Rosenberger or Kirk Campbell or Eli Ratner, or the fact that we have bipartisan support in Congress about the national security issue that China is, it's going to start With Washington, D.C. | ||
| saying, hey, we need to rethink this. | ||
| We need to come up with requirements and we need the business community to back us. | ||
| You've got to stop back channeling with the CCP so that we can actually get a clear footing and actually a strong agenda as a nation and with our allies to address what we want to address in the next 300 days. | ||
| So it starts with D.C. | ||
| and then it moves to the business lobby. | ||
| Do you anticipate right now? | ||
| I mean, the captain just walked us through the Soviet Union with NATO, which were much more organized. | ||
| I mean, EU's just come out and the EU's throwing down on the genocide of the Uyghurs. | ||
| China's very upset with the EU. | ||
| Would you see any allies right now backing us on some sort of boycott that went around the three North Stars? | ||
| The Wuhan lab, the Uyghurs, and Taiwan. | ||
| Do you see any allies right now coming on along with us, Fenton? | ||
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Well, I look at the five eyes, and I take New Zealand out of the equation, and I think Australia, Canada, and the UK would be there with us. | |
| And now, considering what's going on with COVID, and the infection rate, and the death rate in India, we might be able to pull India into the equation. | ||
| And then, I have a feeling, with that type of presence of a boycott, we'll pull in others behind that. | ||
| Fenton, real quickly, how did it get to your social media? | ||
| How did it get to the book? | ||
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Yeah, follow me at the Dragon Feeder. | |
| I love having these discussions. | ||
| And Steve, I love the fact that you're being constructive and trying to put solutions out there for people, whether red or blue, to start thinking about to address this, because we're running out of time. | ||
| That's something that unites the country. | ||
| Captain, do you use social media any way people can get to your writings? | ||
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I'll reference Chris. | |
| By the way, the American Thinker piece we're going to have back up in the War Room chat, and I'll take your questions on it this afternoon. | ||
| Fenton, thank you very much. | ||
| We'll get to the Oscars later. | ||
| Remember, we've got to make the Jimmy Kimmel Show Wednesday night bigger than the Oscars. | ||
| Lindell's going to be in tomorrow. |
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