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April 16, 2021 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 878 – The Murder of the Truth … Fauci Fumbles Basic Questions About His VirusEpisode 878 – The Murder of the Truth … Fauci Fumbles Basic Questions About His Virus
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unidentified
Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world.
anthony fauci
You don't want to frighten the American public.
unidentified
France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans.
But you need to prepare for and assume.
Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China.
anthony fauci
This is gonna be a real serious problem.
unidentified
France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on.
Health officials are investigating more than a hundred possible cases in the US.
Germany, a man has contracted the virus.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
Japan, where...
...contracted the virus.
Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500.
anthony fauci
We have to prepare for the worst, always.
Because if you don't, and the worst happens... War Room.
unidentified
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Banham.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome.
Friday, the 16th of April, Year of Our Lord 2021.
You're in the War Room from the nation's capital.
Momentarily, as soon as we get our reporter and Bernie Kerik set up, we're going to go to Georgia, to Atlanta.
The announcement today, Vernon Jones, a former Democrat, is announcing that he is running for governorship against Governor Kemp.
The total and complete disaster that's been down there as governor.
Now the The MAGA movement, the inclusive MAGA movement.
Starts to strike back here with a number of great candidates you'll be seeing over the next days, weeks and months ahead.
Vernon Jones, the first one coming out as a counter to the basically the establishment country club Republicans that lost everything in Georgia and basically refused to fight for the Electoral College votes down there.
Still in courts all over.
We also got Mark Fincham and the team, the Maricopa County Folks are actually a group of them are traveling to the border in southern Arizona We're gonna try to pick pick them up live.
We've got a lot going on Fauci Wuhan lab Cancel culture we got the great James O'Keefe coming in the second hour of the show James O'Keefe has done these amazing hits Raheem just incredible undercover work and They're pulling down the story of the BLM.
Turns out she's a real estate mogul.
She's a mini-Trump.
She's actually a mini-Trump, right?
I have no problem with that.
that he gets de-platformed right away permanently from Twitter, Facebook's on a jihad.
Even with the Daily Mail, they're pulling down the story of the BLM.
Turns out she's a real estate mogul, she's a mini-Trump.
She's actually a mini-Trump, right?
unidentified
I have no problem with that, that's capitalism, right?
steve bannon
I think I think they have a problem.
unidentified
Maybe we're his source of source of her source of funds.
raheem kassam
Exactly.
Capitalists.
steve bannon
Well, but they're doing my point is they're doing buying the real estate, having a real estate portfolio.
I have no problem with the problem is she speak.
She's what the head Marxist ideologist at at Black Lives Matter is.
raheem kassam
I'm wondering if she's going to name every single mansion after one of the victims that she's raised money off.
steve bannon
Wow.
raheem kassam
Right.
We're going to have the Floyd mansion.
steve bannon
Wow.
You know, One thing I want to get to, Rudy, we've got so much to clean up, we've got a lot to, Liz, yours is going to come, not just about the financial scan of the Vatican, ladies and gentlemen, there was something so over the top that the Vatican did yesterday in putting out this conference they have, I think it's May 5th and 6th, a mind, body, soul, a new age health thing, and it's all about, you know, getting vaccinated.
But this, I thought it was a parody, because we get pitched stuff all the time, and a lot of times the stuff's so over the top, you've got to do the research, and you figure that it's, as we say, we used to say at Breitbart, it's too good to check, right?
So, but I said, this has got to be a parody.
This is like, this is the Babylon Bee has done this, and the great folks at the Babylon Bee.
It turns out it's actually happening.
So Liz, you're going to be going to that.
You can't believe this.
Abortionist, the guy that owns Time Magazine, the Salesforce guy who Naomi Wolf has signaled out as being part of the vaccine passport, that they're going to be the ones that go through about how you can't do a PayPal, how you're not going to be able to get a paycheck, you're not going to be able...
pay your bills, because if you get the vaccine passport everything gets consolidated.
And so he's part of it, but it's across the board.
Obviously Tony Fauci, Collins, the whole group, it's an insane, insane conference.
We're going to get to that.
One thing I want to go back to is we're getting set up down in Georgia.
Bernie Kerik, the great Bernie Kerik is actually down there, many supporters for Vernon Jones.
It's live, I think he's doing his live announcement now.
If we can actually pick up, I don't know if they got the live thing.
As soon as we can pick it up, the great staff in Denver, Colorado.
And of course, young master Wallace, the replacement, Vish Jr.
As Vish moved on to bigger and better things.
Wow.
As Vish moved on to bigger and better things.
Replacement.
The Grundoon of Grundoons.
raheem kassam
You don't have to just sit there and take that, by the way.
You can turn the microphone down.
steve bannon
It's good training.
If he gets sassy, we're going to make him watch 12 O'Clock High again.
raheem kassam
Oh, you should see what he's making me watch.
Does this exterminate or brute this thing on HBO Max?
Have you seen this?
The audience is unaware of this.
I don't recommend getting HBO Max for it, but if you happen to have it, this is one of the most heinous shows I think that has ever been made, and I'm watching it bit by bit just because I can't even bring myself to watch a whole one episode at a time, but this is about how, you know, white man, all white man is bad, everything white man has ever done in the course of human history is bad, you're the savages, you know, you're going around, it's over-raw, it's false.
steve bannon
Plus, it's amateurish, production-wise, and they're hailing it as like a Ken Burns.
It's like Ken Burns of Civil War.
It's that important.
raheem kassam
I mean, this movie makes Steve Bannon movies look boring and academic, right?
And here's the worst thing about it, about halfway into the first episode... I'm going to go make another one.
But halfway through the first episode, the guy, the producer, the director, the narrator... He's everything!
steve bannon
He's everything!
raheem kassam
He's everything!
unidentified
He made it!
raheem kassam
He made it in his home!
unidentified
Yeah, it's some guy making it on Windows Movie Maker.
raheem kassam
No, the amazing thing about it is... It's Johnny makes a YouTube... Halfway through this whole thing, which by the way, the only reason we're talking about it is because they're lording it to high heaven.
unidentified
Everywhere.
raheem kassam
Halfway through it, he goes...
unidentified
So now, why me, as the director, am I introducing myself into the story?
raheem kassam
I am just a neutral arbiter, and he's been talking for the last hour about how whites are killing everybody and slaughtering everybody in the streets and his parents and all this kind of stuff, and then he goes, I'm a neutral arbiter.
You've got to see this thing, it's heinous.
steve bannon
Okay, let me give you a signal, not noise here.
That's not noise, that's actually very important.
So listen, we're winning.
I know sometimes it's tough, but let me give you a win right here.
HBO, let's talk about HBO, the part of the Time Warner, you know, the whole corrupt CNN deal.
They have about 40 million subscribers.
OK, let's talk a little investment banking and how you can have an impact, you and the audience, because you guys are the most powerful audience in the world.
One of the reasons I know this, again, Naomi Wolf.
I think her site crashed for eight hours.
She's never, ever, ever had a response like she came on the show.
I think it was on Thursday.
It must have been Wednesday.
It crashed for hours and hours and hours because of the audience.
The audience is the most powerful audience in media and people know this.
That's why people want to come on the show, people want to sell books on the show, all that.
But, here's how the audience can be very helpful to take down HBO.
HBO is in a quandary.
They've got about 40 million subscribers.
They need on their growth plan to get to about 75 or 80 million.
unidentified
Okay?
steve bannon
That's particularly the day of, you know, cutting cords and everything like that, and the money, that's a big lift, okay?
Now, internally, they have said...
This is how we know it.
Internally, people have come to us and they've said that they know that they need to, to get to the 75 to 80, they have to start appealing to conservatives and they have to start appealing to families.
So a lot of their entertainment is, I think it's one of the reasons, I think it's HBO Max, is trying to be, or there's one of their brands, is trying to be a little bit like Turner Classic Movies.
They're trying to go back and get old movies and get classic movies and do things like that.
Here's the reason.
They have to get to families in order to to grow.
There's nothing more corrupt or awful than HBO.
OK, it's not just it's not just the bill, although Bill Maher is another guy coming our way.
I call him the apostates now.
Right.
The Naomi Wolf, Bill Maher.
Baronson, right?
Baronson, Greenwald, Taibbi.
You're seeing these people that understand how the apparatus works and saying, hey, these are left-wingers that are free speech people and they're saying this is the way fascism, you know.
Jonah Goldberg, no fan of the MAGA movement.
Right, but I think a quite brilliant guy except for his delusional obsession with hating all things Trump Wrote that book liberal fascism a couple of years ago.
It's still a must read if you ever get a chance to read it He really did nail it and you've seen a lot of what's coming of what's coming.
The true is what Jonah?
Put forward highlighted in that or foreshadowed I should say about what's gonna happen.
You've seen a lot of that happening I want to go back something yesterday because you had a lot to add and we so jammed for time and We don't often get a time to let this show breathe.
We're trying to get live down to Vernon Jones, which is very important.
This announcement down there is absolutely incredibly important for the whole 2022 and beyond of MAGA candidates coming up and to show that MAGA is inclusive.
MAGA is a movement of populism and nationalism and traditionalism of standing up for the American people.
And I think he's going to be a terrific candidate when we get it live.
But yesterday when Rudy was on, we were talking about the corporate culture, talking about Lynn Rothschild, who Rudy's known for 20 or 30 years.
So many people have come to me over the last couple days, literally hundreds, to say, hey, I know her.
She's totally left wing.
Stories in the Vatican, stories in the Clintons, all of that.
But you said, hey, I got a lot more to add.
I don't think you guys have got it.
And this corporate, I'm going to tie a couple of dots before we do it.
Maggie Haberman had a piece in the New York Times.
We're gonna try to get it up here because we're scrambling to get to do live.
We got O'Keefe and others.
Maggie Haberman had a piece in the New York Times, their lead piece the other day, about Trump starting to fade away, right?
And the donors like this, they don't want to confront him, they just want his voice to get smaller and smaller and smaller and fade.
And then this morning Politico had this story on Ron DeSantis.
Now look, There's no governor I don't think in this country has done a better job than Ron DeSantis.
Ron DeSantis has made some tough calls.
They have worked out, I think the reason he's worked out, here you have an Ivy League intelligence with kind of the grit of a naval officer that's deployed a couple times and Ron is, you know, he's not a guy you're gonna run and go have a beer with, right?
He's his own man.
He thinks his own way.
He's got his own style.
And I'm a huge, I love how Ron DeSantis has, takes his own counsel, right?
I know this from personal experience.
You can talk to him.
Hey, here's the, he's gonna do it his own way.
That's fine, he's his own man.
And he's done a great job as governor.
But then Politico this morning has a story of how the donors, right?
The donors are all in love with Ron DeSantis.
I mean, it's like 10 donors, quote on the road, and how they see him as a nicer version of Trump.
OK?
You also got the story about Hawley and Cruz having massive first quarter things.
Here's the deal.
Here's the drill.
Whether you love Trump or hate him, The people that really hate him are the donor class, right?
They want him gone.
They want him gone in the worst way possible, right?
They actually, with him, they want Trumpism to go.
And what is Trump?
Trumpism is a combination of populism and nationalism.
That is the future of this country and its salvation, okay?
And it's the future of a broad coalition.
A broad coalition of working class and middle class people of every ethnicity, every race, every religion, that believe in these policies that gives the little guy, the Lao Bai Jing of America, old hundred names, a chance.
Okay?
That's what the donors don't want.
So anytime you see the donors love this, the donors love that, remember, it comes with donor baggage.
This was the miracle of Trump's victory.
Remember in 16, he didn't have a lot of donor money.
unidentified
Right.
steve bannon
We had a unique opportunity.
Ross at the Times has got a great piece in today about how Trump's failure was not enough populism.
Right.
And that Biden's trying to steal that on some of these populist policies.
We're going to get to all that.
But my point is, there's a move going.
I'm going to give you a signal.
Here's the signal.
The donor class is making a big move on President Trump right now.
And that move is, they want to highlight these other people, right?
And say, hey, how they're so in love, and how they bring the party together, and how they bring unity together, and how they're going to bring money together, and they're going to guarantee victory.
The point is, they want Trump out of the way, and particularly they want Trumpism out of the way.
With donors, trust me folks, populism does not come with the donor class, okay?
Nationalism does not come with the donor class.
They're the party of Davos Light.
raheem kassam
That's why I'm poor.
That's why I'm poor.
Nationalism does not come with a donor class.
steve bannon
Does not come with a donor class, no, because look, all the donor classes are the party of Davos Light.
That's what they want.
That's what they want, open borders.
Remember, the Chamber of Commerce and the big corporations are the ones down there in the border that have such a big problem.
Okay, we've got a live coverage coming from Georgia with Vernon Jones.
We're going to try to go live to the border with Mark Fincham and the great folks down there in Arizona that are in charge of the Maricopa County vote.
They're actually going to the border today because of a crisis, this border crisis, and we're going to continue to cover it non-stop.
We've also got Natalie Winters, we have James O'Keefe, Liz Jour.
We're packed.
We're going to try to get, but I want Raheem's thoughts On this corporate, kind of, the corporate takeover of America.
Not just the progressive left, but also the donors are back at work every day, working, working, working to make sure that the Trump movement, right, does not implement Trumpism.
Short commercial break.
raheem kassam
My pillow.
unidentified
You forgot my pillow.
Next.
raheem kassam
In the War Room.
joe scarborough
Bye.
unidentified
War Room.
Pandemic.
With Stephen K. Bannon.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room.
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
joe scarborough
The reason why Democrats underperformed in the House races especially is because Republican messages of defunding the police, cancel culture, socialism actually did have an impact not just on white working class Americans but also across the board.
I'm wondering how the messaging is going.
on on uh... on counteracting those three attacks which are going to face again in twenty twenty two uh... and how would you counteract the attack against uh... radical democrats packing the court which i'm sure is the next attack that's going to be coming from republicans well i i i think i think i just addressed the the court issue but with respect to republican lies and demagoguery on an issue as important as racial justice Well, I hope we'll all just spend a moment and look at the
unidentified
trial that's going on in Minnesota.
Look at the latest killing of Duarte Wright.
Look at what's happening in Chicago.
So here's what I've told my team.
We're going to fight for racial justice because our colleague John Lewis got his head bashed in marching across the Edmund Pettus Bridge.
And if somebody had said to him, boy, you got hurt, you shouldn't fight for that.
Well, we know what his answer would have been.
So if we have to be smart about it and we've got to communicate better because we know the other side has no compunction About taking an issue as important as racial justice in this country and trying to gain cheap political points by demagoguing it, by whipping up white resentment, or by making common cause worse with these white supremacist groups, by making a priority racist voting laws in Georgia.
I mean, that's the choice.
So we're going to fight for what's right, and we're going to do it in a way that's smart.
We're going to win these races because it's the moral imperative that we govern this country in a way that moves us forward and it doesn't take us back to the Jim Crow era.
joe scarborough
So what's the response to the attack?
unidentified
Here's the response.
joe scarborough
After everything you've said, a Republican comes back and says Democrats wanted to fund the police.
What do you say to that?
unidentified
Mike, what I say is we're fighting for racial justice.
What are you fighting for?
Because if you're fighting for racist voting laws in Georgia, I'll have that conversation, because we just kicked their butt all over Georgia.
steve bannon
Okay, listen, we'll have that conversation.
We want to have that conversation.
And no, you did not kick our butt all over Georgia, sir.
This is because of the weak-willed donor class.
Republicans did not stand up and step up to the plate, and that's why you got the Mike Lindells, you got the Finchams out in Arizona.
It's all happening folks.
It's going to be a fight.
It's going to be a grind.
This is why the Vernon Jones thing is another nail in the coffin of the Republican establishment.
Now we're having some technical problems getting to Bernie and the team down there.
We're going to try to To get that sorted.
But right there on Morning Joe, I had a meltdown this morning.
Remember, everything about it, it's all racist.
It's an MRC.
We'll try to play that later.
The guys, the Brent Pozell's team over at Media Research Center, did a fantastic compilation about four minutes long that showed all the psychological warfare and information warfare they're trying to do on this.
Raheem, I want to get back to yesterday with the corporations and the corporate.
You said it's much deeper than that when Rudy was on.
What were you saying?
raheem kassam
Well yeah, look, I really appreciated Rudy's point about the quarterly earnings and the short-sightedness of major corporations, but it does go much deeper than just that.
Corporate CEOs, and you can read a lot about corporate CEOs in the media right now, they're promoting these people as moral arbiters.
Now, you have to understand that not only are these people not moral arbiters, they have no instinct to be moral arbiters.
Companies, big corporations, are not built on morality.
For the most part, they're not.
But what these people are, are profit whores.
They are, you know... Whoa!
steve bannon
Why do you say that?
Because aren't their responsibility to maximize profit, sir?
raheem kassam
Well sure, but also you have a responsibility, and this is where I suppose you might even argue that I believe that there has to be a certain cap on it.
steve bannon
By the way, I don't think the responsibility is to absolutely maximize profits.
I just don't.
raheem kassam
What do you mean?
steve bannon
A corporation.
raheem kassam
No, I mean, look, I'm saying that you have a duty to your community and you have a duty to the country, but these people don't operate on that basis.
They only operate on that sole basis.
The other part of it is you have to understand is that they don't see the world in terms of nations.
steve bannon
Yes, that's the point.
raheem kassam
You know, these aren't...
It's painful to say it.
These aren't American companies anymore.
steve bannon
They're not.
raheem kassam
They're global corporations.
You've got to stop referring to them as American companies.
steve bannon
I went to the West Point of Capitalism.
Not that I'm not a capitalist, but the company's trying to absolutely maximize and wring every... That's the libertarian point of view.
What you end up doing is things that go against your country, and they go against your countrymen all the time.
raheem kassam
And play to the hands of, you know, the worst parts of humanity.
You know, the Chinese Communist Party.
Look at now what we're seeing.
The Times newspaper, the Times of London today, has this story up and it says, hey, you know, there's now this Indian variant in Britain.
Oh, hold on a minute.
Why are we allowed to say Indian variant?
Why are we allowed to say South African variant?
Why are we allowed to say British variant?
But we were never allowed to say Wuhan virus, right?
And you and I both know that we never even wanted to call it the China virus.
It's not the China virus.
It's the CCP virus.
But you weren't allowed to call it that.
You weren't allowed to call it the Wuhan virus.
You weren't even allowed to call it the China virus.
But you can call it the Indian variant, the British variant, the South African variant, the Brazilian variant, and why?
Who are the, again, the corporate media, and I'm so excited that James O'Keefe is coming on the show later on today because he's got more that he's dropping today, more that Project Veritas is dropping today, inside CNN.
steve bannon
That's why they dump, this is why they dump the Twitter thing.
Why they dump our Twitter on the boardroom is because we're putting up the hard drive from hell.
The hard drive from Hell and Formation, as soon as they saw that, boom, had to come down.
Right?
Had to come down.
That's what they wanted.
This is why a keystone in a row has got a lot more to go, that's why they're trying to shut him down.
raheem kassam
I just want to remind people that this isn't even political apartheid activism that's going on right now, this is an attack on the truth.
Right?
The truth that you can lay your hands on.
The truth that you can see with your own eyes and hear with your own ears in hidden camera footage from Project Veritas.
That's truth, right?
Truth is where you can put your fingers on it.
unidentified
Truth is not... Have they revealed how they got... Truth is not two unnamed sources.
steve bannon
Yes.
raheem kassam
Truth is not sources familiar with the matter.
Truth is not, you know, my best friend's hairdresser's dog's aunt's uncle, which is Maggie Haberman's sources, right?
And the rest of them, frankly.
unidentified
But truth is coming out... Maggie gets pretty good sources.
raheem kassam
You know what I'm saying.
The unnamed sources.
The New York Times, the Gabby Orrs, the CNNs, all of these people.
steve bannon
You're saying the Facebook executives and the CNN executives on camera trying to impress girls by bragging about all the real activities.
raheem kassam
About being propagandists.
steve bannon
Exactly, what they're really doing, what their real job is.
raheem kassam
Right, bragging about driving fear into the hearts of Americans.
Oh, we're going to put the COVID ticker back up because that drives ratings, because fear drives ratings.
You know, and that gets pulled down.
And the hard drive from hell, which was verified, For the mainstream reporters watching this, I am a near 10 year member of one of the oldest journalism unions in the world.
I independently verified the contents of that hard drive.
I had other people come in and do it as well.
I referred to tech experts to make sure it was factual.
I brought in other reporters to make sure it was credible.
They all looked at it and we all came to the same conclusion.
This cannot be, you know, a Russian hack.
this is it's not physically possible for that to have been the case. Or remember the other lies Mossad had done this and gotten in and they had 20 different lies all over. Again the truth was murdered in front of our eyes.
It was murdered in front of our eyes.
So this isn't just about left versus right.
That's a veneer, right?
That's a facade.
That's the game they keep trying to get us to play.
We're all guilty of playing it.
This is about the truth versus the lies.
The facts versus the fiction.
The good versus the evil.
That's the war.
That's why Project Varitas must be defended at all costs.
That's why James O'Keefe must be defended at all costs.
Just a fact.
steve bannon
I agree with you.
That's why you made the pitch the other day for Project Veritas for O'Keefe.
O'Keefe is on a roll, and here's why he's on a roll.
The growth of this guy and his organization is just incredible.
The undercover work, the training of people to get them to go undercover, and I believe, as bad as the CNN thing is, and I think it's epic, I say the Facebook one is just as bad because that guy was giving you the inside of Facebook, which is a hundred times more powerful than, Facebook is a hundred times more powerful than CNN.
CNN is kind of the tip of the spear of the propaganda, but the muscle is Facebook, and that guy, that senior guy told you.
Plus, on transhumanism, you know, the last two minutes of that, he tells you where Zuckerberg and the family's putting this money.
Okay, it looks like we're not gonna get the, we've had so many technical problems trying to pick up live, but here's the point, is that Vernon Jones is announcing today down in Georgia.
He's running essentially against, in a primary against Governor Kemp.
Governor Kemp finally has an opponent.
I think here shortly over the next couple of weeks, you're gonna see an opponent come up for the Senate, for the Senate race for the Republican nomination.
So Vernon Jones, a former Democrat, you see him on Fox News, you see him on the John Fredericks Radio Network all the time, John Fredericks Show.
I'm actually going to host John's show this afternoon at 4 o'clock.
We're going to have Vernon Jones on for an extensive interview.
That'll be at 4.30, right before the War Room at 5.
unidentified
Does John ever do his show?
steve bannon
It's baseball season, he's got the Suns.
The Suns are a star.
I told him, when Maureen was at West Point for four years, I never missed a game.
Never missed a game.
I said, hey, you only get one shot, you only get one opportunity.
Don't look back in 10, 15 years and say, hey.
The biggest, two biggest things I hear from guys all the time.
When we're talking, there are two things they say.
Number one, I wish I'd gone to the military as a young person.
I know so many guys in their 40s, 50s and 60s who said, hey, I really should have taken the opportunity to go to the military.
The second thing they talk about is, I wish I had carved out more time and gone to the practices and the games when my kids were playing sports to be there.
And I tell them, hey, Definitely going everybody should volunteer going to the military greatest experience you're ever gonna have greatest formation you're ever gonna have and Just don't don't be in the situation ten years from now You're saying hey I wish I'd been there for the high school games and all that because it's a once-in-a-lifetime Opportunity to see them grow in their formation.
So okay short commercial until I have kids.
unidentified
I'm sitting right here exactly That's we can't wait on a pillow.
steve bannon
Yeah, exactly.
I'm waiting.
unidentified
I'm waiting for the young reads I gotta get to that.
steve bannon
We're gonna do something very different in the next segment.
We've got Fauci, we've got Jim Jordan, we've got Joe Scarborough, I think we're gonna try to get Josh Rogan, Megyn Kelly, to do a montage of exactly what's going on right now.
Remember, if you're in the War Room, you're winning, okay?
We're winning because of you.
Short commercial break.
unidentified
We'll be back in the War Room in a moment.
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jim jordan
When is the time?
Well, in your written statement you say, now is not the time to pull back on masking, physical distancing, and avoiding congregate settings.
When is the time?
When do Americans get their freedom back?
Can you put your microphone, please?
anthony fauci
When we get the level of infection in this country low enough that it is not a really high threat... What is low enough?
jim jordan
Give me a number.
We had 15 days to slow the spread turned into one year of lost liberty.
What metrics, what measures, what has to happen before Americans...
anthony fauci
My message, Congressman Jordan, is to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as we possibly can to get the level of infection in this country low that it is no longer a threat.
That is when.
And I believe when that happens, you will see... What determines when?
I'm sorry.
jim jordan
What?
What measure?
Are we just going to continue this forever?
When do we get to the point?
What measure, what standard, what objective outcome do we have to reach before Americans get their liberty and freedoms back?
anthony fauci
You know, you're indicating liberty and freedom.
I look at it as a public health measure to prevent people from dying and going to the hospital.
jim jordan
You don't think Americans' liberties have been threatened the last year, Dr. Fauci?
They've been assaulted.
Their liberties have.
anthony fauci
I don't look at this as a liberty thing, Congressman Jordan.
jim jordan
Well, that's obvious.
anthony fauci
I look at this as a public health thing.
I disagree with you on that.
jim jordan
You think the Constitution is suspended during a virus, during a pandemic?
It's certainly not.
anthony fauci
This will end, for sure, when we get the level of infection very low.
jim jordan
For a year, American citizens haven't been able to come to their Capitol to petition their government.
To talk to their representatives and freedom of the press.
These very pictures that Representative Scalise just showed you and talked about.
Guess what?
The press isn't allowed in those facilities.
The press is not.
The Biden administration will not let the press in there.
And certainly freedom of speech.
I mean, freedom.
Governor of our third largest state meets with with physicians and that's that that video is censored because they dare to disagree with Dr. Fauci.
So I just want to know, when do Americans get their First Amendment liberties back?
anthony fauci
You know, I don't think anything was censured because they felt they couldn't disagree with me.
I think you're making this a personal thing, and it isn't.
jim jordan
It's not a personal thing!
anthony fauci
No, you are!
That is exactly what you're doing.
jim jordan
No, your recommendations carry a lot of weight, Dr. Fauci.
We just had the chair of the Financial Services Committee said she loves you and you're the greatest thing in the world.
anthony fauci
Will the gentleman yield?
My recommendations are consistent.
unidentified
Will the gentleman yield?
jim jordan
No, it's my time.
anthony fauci
Can I answer the question, please?
My recommendations are not a personal recommendation.
It's based on the CDC guidance, which is underscored.
jim jordan
And I'm asking the question, what measures have to be attained before Americans get their First Amendment liberties back?
anthony fauci
I just told you that.
jim jordan
I know you haven't given anything specific.
You said, we hope when this... Tell me specifically.
anthony fauci
Right now, we have about 60,000 infections a day, which is a very large risk for a surge.
We're not talking about liberties, we're talking about a pandemic that has killed 560,000 Americans.
jim jordan
That's what we're talking about.
I don't disagree with that, and I understand how serious that is, but I also understand it's pretty serious when businesses have been shut down, people can't go to church, people can't assemble in their own homes with their friends, with their families, people can't go to a loved one's funeral, people can't get to their government, petition their representative to redress their grievances.
I also understand the First Amendment's pretty darn important, and it's been a year, and I want to know when Americans will get those First Amendment liberties back.
anthony fauci
You just said people cannot assemble in their own homes.
They can.
That's a CDC recommendation for vaccination.
jim jordan
Not last fall they couldn't.
anthony fauci
I didn't hear.
jim jordan
Not last fall they couldn't.
anthony fauci
I didn't hear what he said.
unidentified
The time has expired.
I'll give you one instance of when we can get our liberties back.
It's when 90% Well, I want to know if that's what Dr. Fauci... Is it 90% Dr. Fauci?
jim jordan
Is it 90%?
That's what I'd like to know.
Give us some objective standards versus when certain things get reached we might be able to get back to having our liberty.
When?
anthony fauci
what are the numbers? You're going to see a gradual from the right now we're at an unacceptably high level we're at On a daily basis, it's unacceptably high, regardless of who you are.
What you're going to see as more and more people get vaccinated, and we get over 3 million people a day, you're going to see the level of infection come down and down, and gradually there will be more flexibility for doing the things that you're talking about.
jim jordan
Where does it get to?
When it comes down, what number do we get our liberties back?
Tell me the number.
Tell me the number.
unidentified
When 90% of the members of Congress get vaccinated.
jim jordan
But you're not a doctor, Mr. Clyburn.
He is.
What is the number?
anthony fauci
Thank you for recognizing me, Mr. Clyburn.
unidentified
Thank you for giving me the time.
jim jordan
I'd like my question answered.
anthony fauci
Reclaiming my time.
jim jordan
Reclaiming my time.
Regular order.
unidentified
Regular order.
jim jordan
Just a moment.
Mr. Chairman, I don't want you to answer my question.
The American people want Dr. Fauci to answer the question.
What does it have to be?
unidentified
You need to respect the chair and shut your mouth.
megyn kelly
Do you mention him in your list of names that are, you know, a little too connected to, I mean, is it the WHO or is it China?
What is he too connected to for us to put our full trust in him?
josh rogin
So, what you have to understand is that this body of research, this gain-of-function research, the whole world of virologists, and I came to learn a lot about how this operates over the last year and a half of writing this book.
You know, it's very insular, okay?
And I often talk to scientists who say the same thing.
They say, listen, we really want to speak out about this, but we can't do it.
Why can't we do it?
Well, we get all of our funding from NIH or NIAID, which is the National Association for Infectious Diseases, which is run by Dr. Fauci for years and years and years.
And so we can't say anything like, oh, gain-of-function research might be dangerous, or it might have come from the lab, because we're going to lose our careers, we're going to lose our funding, we're not going to be able to do the work.
So there's this, you know, people like to say, oh, the scientists all think this, but there's a whole bunch of scientists, more and more are coming out, actually, and you see them every day.
And Redfield's sort of signal was like, this is okay to do, you can say this, you know, but still they get attacked for being racist or whatever, they might lose their funding.
And the head of that pyramid, the head of the funding, the head of the entire field, really, is Anthony Fauci.
He's the godfather of gain-of-function research, as we know it.
Now, that, again, just what I said there, is like too hot for, you know, TV because people don't want to think about the fact that our hero of the pandemic, Dr. Fauci, might also have been connected to this research, which might also have been connected to the outbreaks.
Again, I'm not alleging he did anything wrong.
This was totally legal, right?
He was issuing government grants, you know, through the regular process.
The problem is not that they were doing something wrong or illegal, the problem is that nobody knows what this legal stuff was going on.
And now all of a sudden we have to take a look at it.
So can you, again, keep in your mind two things that Dr. Fauci, the hero of the pandemic, might also have had a role in the research that may have caused the pandemic.
megyn kelly
It's so aggravating how we were misled, there wasn't anybody to trust and now the truth is coming out Josh.
The truth is coming out about how everyone here has an agenda.
josh rogin
Yes, it always does.
And here's the message I want to leave your listeners with.
I'm not a pro-Trump guy.
I'm not an anti-Trump guy.
If you read my book, Chaos Under Heaven, you'll see there's stuff about Trump that is not favorable to him.
And if you love Trump, then you're going to have to reckon with that.
But the bottom line is that the origin of the coronavirus is not a political question.
It's a forensic question.
It's a public health question.
And here's the good news.
We don't have to argue about Trump anymore because he's not president anymore.
So now we can just sort of take another look and think again and have a reasoned discussion.
Yes, as it turns out, scientists can be biased and even corrupted.
And as it turns out, multilateral organizations like the WHO Fire, sir!
functioning well and doesn't mean we should scrap them, but it does mean that we have to be clear-eyed about their flaws.
And as it turns out, the Chinese Communist Party has campaigned for a year to stop us from looking into this lab for a reason and that the only way we'll ever have any confidence that we gave it the best try we had to figure out this pandemic is to actually look into this theory once and for all and that's what's gonna have to happen and that's not gonna be easy.
unidentified
Fire, sir. If you need to respect the chair and shut your mouth.
Okay, well that happened once in a while.
joe scarborough
So rude.
Well, you know what's interesting is...
It's so personal.
And it is personal.
unidentified
It's really rude.
joe scarborough
They have lied about Dr. Fauci.
They have spread conspiracy theories about Dr. Fauci.
They have said the most preposterous things.
It is personal.
They're trying to attack the messenger who's been warning them.
Well, they've been lying through their teeth to the American people who's been warning them.
That a lot of people could die.
And a year ago, they kept saying, open things up.
Everything's fine.
This is no worse than the flu.
Nowhere over 550,000 people are dead.
And the lies continue.
The scapegoating still continues.
No personal liberties were taken away.
The Supreme Court has reviewed cases.
The courts have reviewed cases.
It's just sheer idiocy playing for the lowest common denominator.
unidentified
Is it getting clicks being so rude?
joe scarborough
Well, it certainly lies about lies about Anthony Fauci.
You've always gotten clicks.
Conspiracy theories have always gotten clicks.
I've talked about a stupid.
You have to be a moron to believe it, but there are, I guess, a lot of morons out there.
Something called plandemic, where they get somebody come and just make things up whole cloth, suggesting he killed people during the AIDS epidemic.
It's all filled with lies, and yet people are stupid enough to believe it.
And so, Jim Jordan pedals those lies and pedals the suggestion that Anthony Fauci somehow is the problem instead of a coronavirus that's spread across America and killed 550,000 people.
You know, the thing is, before we get to the doctor really quickly, Willie, intelligent people Really intelligent people with advanced degrees.
Really intelligent people I have known my entire life who run major operations.
I actually believe that doctors are lying on death certificates and putting that somebody died of COVID because their hospital would make more money.
And you go, wait, you think a doctor would risk their career by lying on a death certificate?
Yes, that's exactly what's happening.
There are people dying of the flu.
And again, Again, these aren't people stepping out of a cave, chewing tobacco, and never going to school.
That's one of the great lies of this Trump populism.
steve bannon
For the Trump populism saying that, you know, now he's going to start attacking the deplorables, the brilliant Joe Scarborough.
unidentified
Did he just say walking out of a cave chewing tobacco?
steve bannon
Yeah, chewing tobacco, the Trump populism.
unidentified
No, Joe, we went to Harvard, actually.
steve bannon
Didn't Joe go to Harvard?
Chaos under heaven.
Josh Rogin.
Listen, this is why I'd signal not noise.
I wanted to play the whole thing.
You had to hear Jordan.
You had to hear Josh Rogin and Megyn Kelly.
You had to hear, then, that Joe Scarborough meltdown.
With Fauci, he's not the messenger.
He's not the messenger.
He's now the decision-maker.
He's been the decision-maker for a while, but now they've turned it totally over to him.
And no, he has been dead wrong from day one, Joe Scarborough, if you had paid attention and not spun the lies and misrepresentations you guys spun.
And we can go back, and we will go back, back in January and February and March of last year, okay?
Josh Rogin, who's the most well-sourced Of anybody in Washington, D.C.
is a reporter at the Washington Post.
Last time I looked at not Breitbart, not War Room, right?
One of the one of the smartest guys around with Megyn Kelly talking about you got to get to the bottom of exactly what went on the Wuhan lab.
A short commercial break.
We'll be back on all this in just a second.
unidentified
War Room.
Pandemic with Stephen K. Bannon.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room.
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, this is kind of everything right now, because this is where this information war is being fought.
It's around Fauci and Fauci's misrepresentations, Fauci's lies.
You saw Jim Jordan actually, and here's what these guys can't do.
They can't take people going after data-based, evidence-based, science-based.
I mean, this is why a guy like Josh Rogin, and by the way, I strongly recommend, strongly recommend everybody to get Chaos Under Heaven.
It is not a pro-Trump book.
But it does a very good job of discussing, and you see, the pressures under President Trump and really the beginning of the confrontation with the Chinese Communist Party.
It's a historic work.
He's the best source guy in town.
He saw Megyn Kelly.
He's not going to back off this.
That guy's tough as boot leather.
He understands there's a big problem and the media is being a praetorian guard around Fauci.
He's going to get to the answers.
Other people are going to get to the answers.
National Pulse, you and Natalie Winters and the team over there, you've been hammering this for a year and just breaking story after story, all backed up in facts and data.
This Jordan thing was the first time, and here's one of the tells, ladies and gentlemen, Fauci got angry.
He's not used to, he got not just snippy, he got angry.
You know why?
Because he knows he's getting boxed and he's not going to be able to spin Raheem Kassam.
raheem kassam
So, two things real quick on the Josh Rogen book.
I can't recommend it enough.
It is not a pro-Trump book, but there are moments in it where he's like, hey, you know, Trump's trying to, like, balance all these different, like, worldviews, and he does give him credit where he feels credit's due.
The other part of it is I actually listened to it on audiobook, so if you prefer that, I really recommend that.
steve bannon
Is it in Josh's voice?
raheem kassam
No, I think it's in someone else's voice.
But I can get through it real fast because Natalie Winters taught me how to listen to 2x speed and 2.5x speed on audiobooks, so you can get through it in a day.
It's really worth doing.
That Jordan stuff was amazing because he didn't even ask him anything particularly difficult.
What he said was, at what point ie you know give me a percentage at what point do we feel like it's it's safe again or whatever you know in your words Dr Fauci you know you must have crunched these numbers otherwise how can you go out there saying it's safe when it's safe when do this do that you have to have a point A point of critical mass, right?
And Fauci got so angry at that, like, how dare you ask me for the science?
How dare you ask me for my numbers?
How dare you ask me for the data?
How dare you ask me for the modelling?
So, the question now is, does it even exist?
Does it exist?
Is it in the bowels of the CDC?
Is it NIH?
steve bannon
No, no, but let's go back to construct, because it's deeper than that.
Because Clyburn came in and said 90% vaccinations.
Here's the thing they don't want to get on the table.
This is what was brain about Jordan's thing.
He was saying how many vaccinations.
The key is herd immunity.
Remember, this is what we've been told from day one.
It's herd immunity.
Herd immunity is both a function of people that have had it with antibodies and whatever these vaccinations are.
If the vaccinations, you know, work for different variants.
They won't come forward with the American people.
Remember, they've never put forward their own numbers in the entire time here.
It's like on Wall Street, the company doesn't put forward their earnings projections.
Then the research departments at Goldman Sachs and First Boston and Morgan Stanley all have analysts that opined to that and you get rewarded how close you hit or miss or blow through.
These guys are blowing through earnings now, positively.
They've never put forward their own numbers.
They're really their own set of analysis.
Now they're hiding on this most critical thing of all is exactly when is this thing in?
When do we get to herd immunity?
Right?
And if you're saying that if you had COVID before and that doesn't count in the calculation, why does it not?
Is it because these other variants?
And that gets to the question of why we've got to get back to the railhead of this.
We're not going to get to a solution, ladies and gentlemen, until you get into the Wuhan lab and find out if it came from a bat in a cave on the Laos border down in southern China and miraculously got up to a wet market, or if it came from the P4 lab that they admit We're manipulating and working on these type of viruses, okay?
Until we get to that, you're not going to know because even scientists are saying these mutations of now the South African variant and the Brazilian variant and the British variant and they get these new ones and another variant coming out.
If that means that if you've had COVID, you don't count it to the herd immunity, what is about these variants that is different?
And now the guy came out yesterday and says, hey, guess what?
Another six months, you got to get another jab and maybe every other year after.
Well, what is there?
It's time now for Fauci and these guys, if it's going to be data-based, evidence-based, science-based, which we have been.
Of course, Joe Scarborough throws out the craziest of the hits on Fauci.
That this was planned by the Party of Davos?
Look, I'm the most anti-Party of Davos guy around there, right?
I say there's no conspiracy, but there's no coincidences, right?
Clearly, they're using aspects of this pandemic for other things unrelated to this pandemic, okay?
That's obvious on the face of it.
However, we got to get to the basics of exactly what happened, why it happened, how it happened.
And you're not going to get to the science of it until you get that.
And to me, we're coming to a point in this Wuhan lab situation, and that's where you're seeing Rogan and other people.
The Naomi Wilson, other people who are not Trump people, not MAGA, not America First, they're sitting there just asking questions saying, hey, it's very obvious that the media does not want this and they want to spin on the Morning Joe.
Also the people, a lot of people said, hey, we're working people, we don't watch Morning Joe.
We got that.
Morning Joe is watched by, it's the Washington consensus.
Whenever you want to see what the apparatus thinks, That's Morning Joe every morning.
That's his apparatus.
That's what they think.
That's the marching orders.
raheem kassam
They genuinely believe that you walked out of a cave chewing tobacco.
Oh, they hate you.
They hate you.
That isn't a caricature that he's portraying there.
That's exactly what they believe.
And listen to the arguments he's knocking down.
They're all straw man arguments.
He doesn't address one single actual argument.
He doesn't address anything Jim Jordan actually says.
He invents an argument in his head and he knocks it down on his own show.
Yeah, he is.
I'm sorry to say this in such a... Joe Scarborough is a cold cup of sick.
That's what he reminds me of.
He's disgusting.
He just is.
In every single way.
The concept of him is disgusting.
And the practical...
I like Mika.
steve bannon
Her father's one of the most profound thinkers of the last half of the 20th century, more than Kissinger.
I'll get into all that.
That, by the way, is the basis of technocracy and transhumanism.
He was actually a very brilliant thinker downrange.
So we're gonna get into all the skating.
Next, we've got Natalie Winters, we've got Darren Beattie, we've got Liz York, Murders Row, and James O'Keefe.
Next hour on fire.
raheem kassam
You still haven't done pillows.
steve bannon
Yeah, I haven't.
It's unbelievable.
Okay, we're gonna do pillows when we get back.
Short commercial break.
We'll be back in a moment.
unidentified
And you are over Cause we're taking down the CCP Spread the word all through Hong Kong We will fight till they're all gone.
We rejoice when there's no more.
Let's take down the CCP!
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