Feb. 22, 2021 - Bannon's War Room
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Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world. | |
| You don't want to frighten the American public. | ||
| France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans. | ||
| But you need to prepare for and assume. | ||
| Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China. | ||
| That this is going to be a real serious problem. | ||
| France, Australia, Canada, the U.S., Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on. | ||
| Health officials are investigating more than a hundred possible cases in the U.S. | ||
| Germany, a man has contracted the virus. | ||
| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus. | ||
| Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500. | ||
| We have to prepare for the worst, always, because if you don't and the worst happens, Talk a little bit more about the law enforcement challenges at the border, which I know a number of other members have brought up with you. | ||
| Just a fundamental question. | ||
| Do you believe that illegal entry at America's border should remain a crime? | ||
| Well, I haven't thought about that question. | ||
| I just haven't thought about that question. | ||
| I think, you know, the president has made clear that we are a country with the borders and with a concern about national security. | ||
| I don't know of a proposal to decriminalize but still make it unlawful to enter. | ||
| I just don't know the answer to that question. | ||
| I haven't thought about it. | ||
| Will you continue to prosecute unlawful border crossings? | ||
| Well, this is again a question of allocation of resources. | ||
| We will. | ||
| The Department will prevent unlawful crossing. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I have to admit, I just don't know exactly what the conditions are and how this is done. | ||
| I think if. | ||
| I don't know what the current program even is with respect to this. | ||
| So I assume that the answer would be yes, but I don't know what the... That is Merrick, Mr. Magoo, Garland. | ||
| You don't know if the decriminalized, you should read the Democratic platform, or thumb through that amnesty bill. | ||
| What a clown. | ||
| Is this the best you got? | ||
| This guy was going to be on the Supreme Court? | ||
| Are you kidding me? | ||
| This thing today, his confirmation here, Merrick Garland, a total joke, totally unprepared. | ||
| The arrogance of these guys. | ||
| Here's what we got. | ||
| You see it from Jen Psaki, oh, Merrick Garland. | ||
| And this is the media's fault. | ||
| They're so arrogant. | ||
| They're not held to any standard. | ||
| They can just wander in there and say what they want to say. | ||
| OK, we're live from militarily occupied Washington, D.C. | ||
| You're in the war room. | ||
| It's Monday, the 22nd of February, year of our Lord 2021. | ||
| We're going to go from the border Of New Mexico and Arizona all the way to Australia in this show, and everywhere in between. | ||
| Talk about Poland, Australia. | ||
| Also, President Trump down in Mar-a-Lago about to drop the hammer, but I want to go quickly to Ben Burquam, Real America's Voice correspondent in the field. | ||
| No, he's not at Maricopa County Courthouse looking at guys getting arrested. | ||
| He's down chasing the cartel. | ||
| Ben, show us this live shot. | ||
| You're down there with the Cowboys for Trump. | ||
| What do you guys found down there? | ||
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Thanks, Steve. | |
| We are starting a three-day trip. | ||
| I'm up here. | ||
| I had to come in horseback with my friends from Cowboys for Trump. | ||
| And where we're at right now is a location. | ||
| I actually just pulled these carpet shoes out of this cartel cave behind me. | ||
| You can see this if I change the camera angle here. | ||
| Right here behind me is a cartel cave. | ||
| This is where they bring people. | ||
| We're about 100 miles north of the border. | ||
| And so for people that say that this is only a border issue, this is an American issue. | ||
| Every state is a border state. | ||
| And inside of that cave, I can't climb down in there or else I'll lose my signal. | ||
| It's a little choppy right now. | ||
| As it is, inside that cave is about a foot deep and 30 feet in, you know, back and forth around and the sides full of garbage, of panties, of bras, of backpacks. | ||
| This is where they dump, one of the locations where they dump their supplies. | ||
| They run down, get on I-10 and then they move into America. | ||
| All of these hilltops you can see behind me, these are cartel lookouts. | ||
| So all of the high points here, All across the border. | ||
| Again, we're close to 100 miles in from the border. | ||
| This is still cartel country. | ||
| All of this. | ||
| This is no man's land. | ||
| It's the Wild West. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is, by the way, how much of the United States the cartels crawl. | ||
| Remember, nobody can cross the border anymore without going through a cartel. | ||
| This is all about human trafficking. | ||
| Think about the poor people that come up there. | ||
| These guys, and by the way, they'll dump them in the desert in a second and let them die of thirst. | ||
| They could care less. | ||
| These guys are brutal. | ||
| This is why you need wall. | ||
| This is why you need border enforcement. | ||
| And I just got to ask you, we're going to have Ben on every day as he's down on the border of this trip with the Cowboys for Trump, but Merrick Garland, Who wants to be the Attorney General of the United States, just couldn't answer a question. | ||
| Is it a crime and is it going to remain a crime to cross the border? | ||
| What type of incentives do you think that will give folks in there, the cartels particularly, to start really ramping up the human trafficking, Ben? | ||
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Well, that's it. | |
| So what they should have asked is, do you support the cartels? | ||
| Because the only people, people that support open borders, the only people you're helping are the cartels. | ||
| This is a sham and it is a shame. | ||
| The number of people that are being brought up through here, being raped as they're brought along, it is a humanitarian crisis. | ||
| And the irony is that these same leftists, open borders leftists, are the ones that say that because you want secure borders, because you want to make crossing illegally a crime, somehow you're not a humanitarian. | ||
| AOC, Cowboys for Trump invite you to come up here. | ||
| Nancy Pelosi, any of the Democrats, Joe Biden, any of the Democrats that want open borders, come up here, see for yourself. | ||
| And the fake news mainstream media that lie to the people, that will not show them the truth. | ||
| All you're doing is enabling and emboldening the cartels. | ||
| And it's criminal. | ||
| It's criminal. | ||
| I'll answer it for him. | ||
| Yes, it's a crime. | ||
| And it should be. | ||
| We have to have standards or else we're losing our country. | ||
| Ben, who we want to get down there is Merrick Garland, Ben Berkwan. | ||
| We're going to open the show tomorrow more with Ben and the Cowboys for Trump as they're taking a pilgrimage down to the border to see exactly what the story is down there with the cartels. | ||
| Ben, thank you and thank the guys on Cowboys for Trump for being on the show. | ||
| Okay, I want to turn now to Rainer Jackson, one of the top black entrepreneurs in the country and a head of a black entrepreneur group. | ||
| Rainer, you came to me and we're talking about this polling that shows that working class African Americans are supporting President Trump now more than ever. | ||
| But I want to go back to the borders and the open borders. | ||
| Do the African Americans, and particularly working class blacks, understand this amnesty bill? | ||
| And what is being pushed by the radical elements of the Biden administration are going, that is all going to be born on the shoulders of Hispanic and African American working class families. | ||
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You know, to ask you a question, Steven, thanks for having me on. | |
| The black community does understand. | ||
| Remember, Steve, the NAACP, the National Urban League, the Congressional Black Caucus does not represent the black community. | ||
| They represent their membership. | ||
| Big difference. | ||
| And if you go into the black community, from the hood all the way up to the ivory tower, you will find blacks are totally against amnesty for illegals. | ||
| I'm watching MSNBC over the weekend. | ||
| They were complaining about how 2 million black women have dropped out of the labor force. | ||
| And I said, you are complaining about that, but your solution is to legalize 25 to 30 million People illegally in the country to go and compete for low and underskilled jobs. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's your solution? | ||
| So stop complaining about the unemployment rate and the lack of women in the labor market when you're bringing in more competition from folks who are not even American citizens. | ||
| What logic does that make? | ||
| Rainer, we're pretty cramped for time today, but I've got to ask you this question. | ||
| You talked about these numbers that were on, I think, Meet the Press that they didn't really highlight about the shift in working-class blacks to start to support President Trump. | ||
| You've heard President Trump sit down in Mar-a-Lago. | ||
| He's in charge of the Republican Party. | ||
| He's going to be the nominee in 2024. | ||
| He's back in the game full-on. | ||
| He's going to give a full-throated speech this Sunday at CPAC down in Orlando. | ||
| What would be the policies that you want to see Because you're at the tip of the spear of working with black entrepreneurs. | ||
| What are they looking for? | ||
| What kind of policies would tell them that, hey, MAGA is for you? | ||
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Number one, access to capital. | |
| Use the power of our incumbency. | ||
| And obviously, we are not in the White House like we once had a few months ago. | ||
| But access to capital is a big, big issue. | ||
| So I would love to hear President Trump Sunday at CPAC talk about what he's willing to do by way of his Rolodex to work with me and let me convene a national summit of black entrepreneurs with him, whether we come down to Florida, he comes up wherever. | ||
| But let's get together a room full of the top black entrepreneurs and let this president not only talk about what he did as president, which he did a great job of, but what he was willing to do to take it to the next level. | ||
| Access to capital. | ||
| This whole issue of school choice and vouchers, Steve. | ||
| This whole issue of illegal immigration. | ||
| Nobody reaches out to the Black community on these issues. | ||
| Where is Kevin McCarthy? | ||
| Where is Mitch McConnell? | ||
| Where are all of our guys, Steve, who claim they are conservative, but yet they ignore the largest population of folks who will be most negatively impacted by these liberal policies that Joe Biden is trying to push, and we are not even seeing meeting with McConnell and McCarthy. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Reiner, how do people, what's your social media accordance, how do they get to your website? | ||
| Now that you're getting healthy again, you're going to be a fixture on this show, like in the old days. | ||
| Talk to us about how can people track you during the day and how they get to your website. | ||
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Twitter, the real Raynard J is my Twitter. | |
| Facebook, Raynard Jackson. | ||
| Black Americans for a Better Future is our political action committee that we have set up to get more blacks involved in the Republican Party. | ||
| We focus strictly on black entrepreneurs, so go to Black Americans for a Better Future. | ||
| And go on our website. | ||
| You can see all the great work we've done, and we're always open to contributions. | ||
| So go to BAFBF, blackamericansforabetterfuture.org, and you'll see our work. | ||
| And Steve, you worked with us from day one, and we want to continue to do a lot of work with you and others from MAGA. | ||
| We're going to actually look out for the interest of the black community. | ||
| Rainer, thank you very much. | ||
| An American patriot and a true hero of mine, Rainer Jackson, has just gone through some health issues and now is back fully fighting. | ||
| Access to capital, the 21st century's civil rights school choice, Rahim, and immigration. | ||
| That's what Rainer is putting out there. | ||
| That's what's in the black community's mind, right? | ||
| You don't hear that if you watch MSNBC or CNN. | ||
| That's the Trump program. | ||
| Let's bring in Boris Epstein now. | ||
| So, Boris, break some news here. | ||
| We got Raheem back off his podcast, finally come over here. | ||
| He was gonna take either sauna or come here. | ||
| Decided to come here and work. | ||
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Say sauna? | |
| So, break some news here. | ||
| And particularly... | ||
| When you hear somebody like Rainer Jackson saying, hey, look, nobody's talking about it. | ||
| Here's MAGA. | ||
| Here's the kind of things that are going to galvanize the black community to become part of a bigger part of the MAGA effort. | ||
| Access to capital, school choice, which is the new civil rights movement of the 21st century, and immigration. | ||
| Boris Epstein, talk to us about what President Trump's going to do this week. | ||
| Steve, great to be with you. | ||
| Thanks so much for having me. | ||
| Raheem, thanks for skipping the sauna. | ||
| It was very nice of you to hang out with us today. | ||
| At least you could pronounce it. | ||
| Yeah, well, you know, I don't think there's a lot of saunas in Richmond, Virginia. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It is a sauna. | ||
| It is a sauna. | ||
| It's a sauna in July, but, you know, there's not a lot else going on. | ||
| By the way, Raheem, I've seen that pocket square before. | ||
| It looks good on you. | ||
| The yellow, the pink. | ||
| Good combination. | ||
| Straight out of Cambridge. | ||
| Straight out of Oxford. | ||
| Looking good. | ||
| Very fancy today. | ||
| There's an extra pinstripe on the shirt, though, but that's okay. | ||
| So, right, here's where we are. | ||
| President Trump, President Trump is back in control. | ||
| He's been the leader of the Republican Party the whole time, but he's back in control of the MAGA movement without any question. | ||
| You saw the statement today, full fire from President Trump, both on the continued witch hunt against him, as well as on those Who oppose him for political reasons and not for the benefit of this country. | ||
| So, if you look at what's been happening to Adam Kinzinger, Liz Cheney, Ben Sasse, Mitch McConnell, whose approvals are down by over 30%, 30 points since November 3rd, the RINO Republicans are absolutely taking a loss. | ||
| And it seems like after a weekend with some meetings with Lindsey Graham, President Trump has not gone back on his decision to make sure that the Republican Party and the MAGA movement continue to be synonymous. | ||
| And if you look at the numbers, if you look at the numbers, Steve, I sent this to you earlier today, 76% of Trump voters would vote for him again in 2024 in the primary, 85% of them in the general. | ||
| And that is after a month of a nonstop onslaught against President Trump from the media. | ||
| That's it today. | ||
| I bet you that number for primary goes up to 85. | ||
| The number for general goes up to 95 within a couple of months. | ||
| Wait till he starts firing down this week at CPAC. | ||
| OK, we're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| Boris, just hang with us for a few minutes. | ||
| Got a couple more questions on the other side. | ||
| Dr. Peter Navarro. | ||
| Sherry Markson from The Australian, one of the top papers in Australia, will join us also. | ||
| Rahim, I guess it's Facebook's now taking on sovereign governments. | ||
| OK, they're crushing citizens of the United States. | ||
| They're taking on sovereign governments. | ||
| You should have watched my speech live. | ||
| I'm looking for your polls. | ||
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Okay, we'll be back in The War Room in a second. | |
| War Room. | ||
| Pandemic. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Okay, now with over 37 million downloads on the podcast, of course, live on John Frederick's Real America's Voice, Dischannel 219, Comcast 113, Rumble, Gab, Telegram, GNews, GTV and Mandarin everywhere, Boris Epstein. | ||
| So this week, President does the run-up to when he claims a leadership. | ||
| Of the Republican Party and saying, hey, this is going to be MAGA strong. | ||
| This is going to be Trump MAGA. | ||
| This is going to be MAGA tough. | ||
| What do you anticipate other moves he's going to make? | ||
| Because it looks like you already discarded all of Lindsey Graham's advice from this weekend. | ||
| What else do you see happening this week? | ||
| It was pretty interesting news. | ||
| Literally just popped that Lindsey Graham told Dana Bash, apparently, that he was dialing lawmakers and handing the phone off to President Trump. | ||
| So I'm not sure what kind of phone bank Lindsey Graham was running. | ||
| uh... you know down a mar a lot of the here's what i'll tell you it's obvious in the statement today it's obvious from everything we're hearing the president trumpets is set on backing maga candidates the maga agenda and i think day in day out you're going to see representations of that think about it this way lindsey graham goes says just a few words about what happened down a mar a lot of the cnn's tweeting it out Have we heard anything about Joe Biden today? | ||
| Have we heard anything about Joe Biden in the last week, except for that absolutely god-awful town hall he did, and then Jen Psaki getting destroyed by Jonathan Karl, of all people, on ABC. | ||
| A Democrat press secretary getting annihilated on ABC is like me beating myself up in my own house. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| That's what it's like. | ||
| Pathetic. | ||
| Okay, it was pathetic, it was awful, but here's my point. | ||
| President Trump continues to be the leader not just of the MAGA movement, not just of the Republican Party, but of this country, because he's the one who Americans want to know about, even the haters. | ||
| They don't care about what Joe Biden's doing, the Democrats, the libs. | ||
| They don't care what Joe Biden's doing when he's waking up in the morning asking Joe Biden, where am I? | ||
| Everyone cares about what President Trump is doing and is thinking, because he's the beating heart of America. | ||
| And now you've got Justice Thomas arguing about why the vote by mail was a disaster. | ||
| You've got all this. | ||
| OK, Boris, give me your social media coordinates. | ||
| By the way, Biden and TV, the TV lexicon doesn't rate. | ||
| This is what TV is. | ||
| Nobody cares. | ||
| You know, for a guy to get, what, 900 million votes? | ||
| Nobody cares. | ||
| Nobody cares what he has to say. | ||
| The people that represent him are a disaster, right? | ||
| Confusing, contradicting each other, not held to any standard. | ||
| Boris, what's your social media coordinates? | ||
| Joe Biden apparently got more votes than Barack Obama, more votes than Donald J. Trump, and he's barely noticed out there. | ||
| He's just kind of hobbling around. | ||
| That's such a joke. | ||
| And all my friends are saying, when Jen Psaki, they see a video of Jen Psaki, they turn the channel. | ||
| Nobody wants to hear what she has to say. | ||
| She has no idea where she is either. | ||
| Maybe she's got the Bidens. | ||
| My Twitter is at Boris Ep. | ||
| She's circling back. | ||
| Maybe she's lost, like Joe Biden is. | ||
| They're all lost. | ||
| They've got the Bidens. | ||
| Twitter, at Boris Ep. | ||
| Instagram, Boris underscore Epstein. | ||
| Twitter, Boris Ep. | ||
| Instagram, Boris underscore E-P-S-H-T-E-Y-N, coming in hot on the gram. | ||
| Thanks so much for having me. | ||
| God bless. | ||
| Stay strong. | ||
| See you tomorrow. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I want to go right to Dr. Peter Navarro. | ||
| So, Dr. Navarro, you've heard when Lindsey Graham's down there dialing and smiling for Mar-a-Lago, only bad things are going to happen. | ||
| President Trump's coming out MAGA strong, going to go to CPAC. | ||
| The quote is, hey, I'm the head of the Republican Party. | ||
| I'm the presumptive nominee in 2024. | ||
| Walk us through how that makes you feel since you're his assistant to the president, his right hand on manufacturing, trade and jobs. | ||
| All right, Steve, let's start with the background I have today. | ||
| It's an homage to President Trump's visits to CPAC. | ||
| I have him kissing the flag here for your radio audience. | ||
| Here's the thing, Steve. | ||
| MAGA is a fusion of traditional Republican tax cuts and deregulation with the policies that help America's working class, which is to say the strength in the American manufacturing base, seal our borders to prevent a huge flood of low-wage, uneducated people onto the labor market, and the end to endless wars. | ||
| Now here's the thing. | ||
| Lindsey Graham does not fit into that. | ||
| He's on the Mitch McConnell, non-deplorable side of the fence, and the sooner he stops being welcomed down at Mar-a-Lago, the easier I will breathe. | ||
| But let me tell you this, on the CPAC side, He's got, President Trump's got some heavy lifting to do there because CPAC has also dominated more. | ||
| Its center of gravity, Steve, you know this as well as I do, is more towards that traditional Republican base. | ||
| And he'll go down there and talk about deregulation, tax cuts, and they'll scream to their heart's content. | ||
| But if he starts talking about some of the MAGA stuff, particularly the fair trade and the tariff stuff, It gets a little quieter down there. | ||
| So what President Trump needs to do is bring folks like CPAC into the middle of this party. | ||
| He needs to get Mitch McConnell and those other folks closer to his center. | ||
| And look, we need a new Senate Majority Leader. | ||
| We need Jim Jordan rather than Kevin McCarthy there. | ||
| But the good news is that President Trump has committed to 2024. | ||
| And in 2022, reformulating the House of Representatives in his image. | ||
| It's not enough for the Republicans to take back the House. | ||
| It has to be MAGA Republicans to take back the House. | ||
| Otherwise, we're going to get the same Kevin McCarthy, Mitch McConnell, traditional Republicanism, thwarting the will of the working class of this country. | ||
| Okay, let me ask you. | ||
| Merrick Garland, we started on this. | ||
| A guy that wants to be the Attorney General cannot answer a straightforward question put to him by Josh Hawley, the populist. | ||
| Is it going to be a crime under your Attorney General to cross the border? | ||
| Yes or no, and you get the mumble tank, right? | ||
| You just have an amazing report out. | ||
| Everybody to go to Peter Navarro's site and download this report and pass it around. | ||
| Share it with your friends. | ||
| Become a force multiplier. | ||
| It's an amazing report on immigration, amnesty, and how it's destroying working class people. | ||
| Hispanic families, black families, white working class, Asian, across the board, American citizens. | ||
| What do you think when you hear Merrick Garland? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He should check the Democratic platform. | ||
| He should check this amnesty bill. | ||
| He should check. | ||
| He should be briefed. | ||
| This is a disgrace. | ||
| The guy's there to get confirmed as Attorney General. | ||
| Cannot answer a basic question. | ||
| Dr. Navarro. | ||
| So PeterNavarro.com, PeterNavarro.com is where you can find this report. | ||
| And here's the top line, Steve. | ||
| This is the insanity of it. | ||
| We've got over 10 million Americans kicked to the unemployment curve by the CCP virus, desperate for a job and a decent wage. | ||
| At the same time, as you read my report, you will see that over the next several years, we are going to have literally At least over 2 million illegals cross that border every single year, perhaps more. | ||
| And they're all, as a class, generally going to be of 8th grade education or less, 25% English language proficiency. | ||
| And those 10 million Americans who are unemployed right now tend to be clustered, Steve, in the blue-collar, lower-income place. | ||
| And those illegal immigrants are going to come at the working class of this country just like a laser beam and slice them up. | ||
| And here's the thing. | ||
| This bill is going to come due to Merrick Garland and AOC and Joe Biden. | ||
| All of these folks do not understand. | ||
| All hell is going to break loose on that border, along our border communities and eventually in our cities where there's so many people unemployed. | ||
| In a year where we have such high unemployment, having the first issue that they go after is open borders, canceling the wall. | ||
| It's just crazy. | ||
| I mean, it's going to help us get the house back, certainly, but there's going to be just tremendous damage to this country over the next several years. | ||
| We have to figure out a solution here because we can't wait two years. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| And stopping it now, real quickly, how do people get the report? | ||
| Everybody in the audience has to get the report, you have to share the report. | ||
| How do they get it again, Peter? | ||
| Just my name, PeterNavarro.com. | ||
| It's my website, download it there. | ||
| You can also check my Twitter feed, Real P. Navarro. | ||
| I post the report up there as well. | ||
| And congratulations, by the way, to the one true justice on the Supreme Court. | ||
| Clarence Thomas, who had the courage to talk about the cowardness, the cowardness of the Supreme Court to address the election irregularity issues. | ||
| Hold on, hold on. | ||
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Who knows? | |
| Maybe Twitter will de-platform Clarence Thomas. | ||
| That would be interesting. | ||
| Hang on, hang on. | ||
| I was going to jump here. | ||
| That's where I was getting you off. | ||
| That's where I was pushing the immigration reports that people are reading now, because I had to ask you. | ||
| I had to carve out time to ask you. | ||
| What an over and under that Justice Thomas read the Navarra report on stealing the election before he wrote his dissenting opinion. | ||
| I think, by the way, did he footnote your report? | ||
| Everybody's gotta read Justice Thomas's dissenting opinion. | ||
| It lays the whole thing out. | ||
| He should be banned from Twitter. | ||
| Heck, we were not as bad as that. | ||
| Rudy's not as bad as that. | ||
| Peter Navarra. | ||
| Steve, you know what's interesting about the Navarro report, the three volumes? | ||
| It's like, nobody out there in media land has challenged any of the findings. | ||
| And by the way, Molly Ball's Time Magazine expose is like one big footnote to that report. | ||
| It's like everything in there, you read her report and you go, yeah, Navarro's right. | ||
| So, over and under? | ||
| Yeah, I suspect he might have read it. | ||
| I know there's a lot. | ||
| President Trump, actually, the first volume, I was in the Oval Office breaking news here, and he called Molly in and said, get this out immediately to every member of the House and Senate right now, and we sent it electronically to everybody that day. | ||
| So, at least volume one got out there. | ||
| Okay, we've got to pop. | ||
| Okay, we're going to see you back here tomorrow. | ||
| Fantastic, fantastic work. | ||
| The Immigration and Amnesty, you've got to read this. | ||
| We're going to push it out over here. | ||
| Peter Navarro, thank you very much, and your staff that does such excellent work. | ||
| Joanna Miller. | ||
| Joanna Miller. | ||
| She's a stone. | ||
| I tell you, it's Joanna Miller. | ||
| It's Natalie Winders. | ||
| These young women are coming up. | ||
| They're killers. | ||
| I'm telling you, the best, more detail, more analysis than you get anywhere. | ||
| We're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| When we come back, one that I know Rahim's been waiting for. | ||
| This is Sherry Markson, the great investigative reporter from Australia. | ||
| Facebook is taking on a sovereign government, one of our oldest and best allies in a war with Facebook. | ||
| Information War. | ||
| Sherry Markson from Australia, next in The War Room. | ||
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| Pandemic. | ||
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| The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
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| Pandemic. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| All right, welcome back to the war room. | ||
| We have joining us now Shari Marks and the Investigations Editor at The Australian and the Sky News Australia host of Shari on Sundays at 6pm on Sky News Australia. | ||
| The only Sky News I like, quite frankly, the way the British Sky News has treated me for years, Shari. | ||
| But I got to tell you, I was out in Sydney last year and the year before, actually, and the Sky News Australia is a totally different kettle of fish. | ||
| I mean, it is robust, to say the least. | ||
| And I think that's one of the reasons why you're there. | ||
| You do some great investigative work. | ||
| And now the world is kind of watching aghast, Shari, as Facebook Takes on a sovereign nation in Australia. | ||
| Could you catch us up on all the developments? | ||
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This was a major shock news. | |
| And hello to both you, Raheem and you, Steve. | ||
| Thanks for having me on again. | ||
| Look, this was a shock news on Thursday morning. | ||
| Australians woke up and news had been removed from the entirety of Facebook. | ||
| So every news site, whether it's Sky, 7 News, The Australian, The Sydney Morning Herald, wiped from Facebook. | ||
| It was a news censorship, a news ban on Facebook. | ||
| This came as a shock move even to the government. | ||
| Our federal government and our treasurer had been in regular contact with Mark Zuckerberg over the previous weeks. | ||
| Hang on. | ||
| How in the middle of a pandemic, a global pandemic, does Mark Zuckerberg in a publicly traded company in the United States cut off a sovereign nation that is one of America's most trusted and valuable allies? | ||
| How does that happen? | ||
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You know, Facebook pretends to be so socially responsible and at its heart, this move Shows that it just cares about its bottom line, because in the middle of a pandemic, it has cut off all real, credible, authentic information, real journalism, real news site. | |
| And I mean, this is a total ban. | ||
| Not one news story can you access on Facebook in Australia. | ||
| And instead, anti-vaccination groups, any other disinformation, conspiracy theories, that's all allowed to spread throughout Facebook sites In the middle of a pandemic, the most serious pandemic in over 100 years, Facebook does not care about public health. | ||
| They have shown that because you can access all sorts of disinformation, misinformation, but no real news. | ||
| This is extremely dangerous. | ||
| Our ministers have come out and called it reprehensible conduct. | ||
| In the Parliament, they've said this is reprehensible conduct. | ||
| This just lays bare Facebook's only goal It is money. | ||
| It does not care about the public health of Australians in the middle of a pandemic. | ||
| Well, that's one of the things, I mean, you know, this goes to the very heart of what Mark Zuckerberg claims to be interested in. | ||
| Whether it's the election here and his funding of CTCL and everything, it's for the public good, but actually at a time when the public needs his system, his platform, when they're all members of it, they've all been lured over, they've all given their data up, And remember the balance is you give some of your data up in exchange to use the platform and the platform will serve you as you move around it. | ||
| But now they're saying we're going to manually intervene in what gets served to you. | ||
| All the algorithms that have collected all the data on you for all the years and figured out that you like Shari Markson or Sky News or whatever it is in Australia. | ||
| We're going to pull all of that away and you're only going to be served with what we tell you is allowed to be served in the country. | ||
| I think goes right to the heart of the way Zuckerberg It's an attack on a sovereign government. | ||
| conduct actually may be putting it slightly too lightly and I mentioned over the course of the weekend attack on a sovereign government it's an attack on a sovereign government. But hang on, to culminate on that point. Because this is information warfare. Because recently, Shari, I believe I read that one of these new Australian news apps is now top of the App Store in Australia which is how people are kind of circumventing that. | ||
| And it goes to what's happening in India too. | ||
| India whipping Twitter out and having replaced it with this other one called Coo that they're doing in India. | ||
| So you see, when you talk about national sovereignty and national interest, Well, you know, the problem is there is no rival to Facebook in Australia. | ||
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So when Google threatened to do this, the government just said, everyone stop using Google, use Bing. | |
| or one of these other sites. | ||
| And the communications minister here started using Bing. | ||
| And so Google entered into deals with media companies. | ||
| This is all about getting the tech giants to pay for the content. | ||
| They make money off our journalism, but they've been refusing to pay for it. | ||
| Our government here in Australia said, that's enough, we're doing a media bargaining code. | ||
| It's gonna be legislation. | ||
| You have to pay for your content. | ||
| You have to share the profits with the media companies because they are profiting off the journalism and have been refusing to pay for it. | ||
| Google has entered into deals with the private companies here, many of them. | ||
| Facebook, it's just a standoff. | ||
| They're refusing to do so. | ||
| And the government's now upped the ante. | ||
| They've now said that they're going to pull advertising, so pull the government advertising spend from Facebook as well. | ||
| You know, even the Department of Health pulling its millions and millions and millions of Advertising spend. | ||
| So, you know, the government's not buckling under the pressure. | ||
| We'll have to see where this ends up, but it could end up in, you know, Facebook effectively not having a position in the Australian market. | ||
| It is a concern, though, as just to go back to that earlier point about in the time of a pandemic, because in Australia, and it's probably similar in the States, 40% of people, 40%, Get their news through Facebook, you know that it's just become the habit that they log on in the morning and they click on the newsletters and it takes them to various sites. | ||
| Is this is this a politically is this uniting the country and back of the government to take on Facebook or is this still is is there is there a more of a traditional break is the left supporting Facebook or where are the Australian people in this? | ||
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I think broadly everyone is realizing just how arrogant this move is from Facebook, that most Australians are united with the government and the news companies in my opinion, but the tech sector is not. | |
| So we've seen the head of Canva, which is a US $6 billion company, global company, it's based in Australia. | ||
| They've come out and supported Facebook. | ||
| They're calling it tech regulation. | ||
| It's not about tech regulation. | ||
| It's about, they're profiting from our journalism and they're not sharing the profits back with the journalists and the media companies who create this content. | ||
| And you know, Steve, it's expensive to create. | ||
| I mean, you've had me on talking about my China investigation. | ||
| Sometimes these stories can take two or three months to produce. | ||
| And then, you know, the tech giants are just making money off it because millions of people want to read them. | ||
| I know it's expensive because we pay for Rahim's T&Es. | ||
| We've got to go to Wuhan. | ||
| You've been one of the top investigators reported here. | ||
| You saw the fiasco last week with World Health. | ||
| I always hold up the Financial Times where they said when they came out, it was unlikely to have come from Wuhan, the lab itself, or any kind of man-made. | ||
| It had to come from the wet market. | ||
| You've been breaking news of the Five Eyes program, the intelligence services. | ||
| Where do you think we stand today with this investigation about this real source of this CCP virus? | ||
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I think there were major problems with the WHO investigation. | |
| We know that at least three of the investigators who went into Wuhan to do that investigation, at least three have links to Chinese institutions. | ||
| The most problematic of which is Peter Daszak. | ||
| I'm sure you've spoken about him in your program. | ||
| If you haven't, he was the guy who's been working for 15 years with the Wuhan Institute of Virology. | ||
| 15 years! | ||
| And yet he sent in to Wuhan to investigate whether they may have been You know, responsible for the pandemic, whether a laboratory leak, even if it was accidental, was one of the ways that the pandemic started. | ||
| That is such a conflict of interest. | ||
| How can you send in someone who's been working with this lab for 15 years, who's been receiving millions of dollars in funding to genetically manipulate coronaviruses with this lab? | ||
| You can't send that person in as one of the independent investigators. | ||
| That's just, you know, one of the figures. | ||
| There's another two who've also got links with Chinese institutions. So it was going to be a very problematic inquiry from the start. Then, as you know, they didn't get access to the data from the Chinese government that they needed. That crucial data of the first people who got sick from coronavirus, it might have started, according to the U.S. State Department, according to Mike Pompeo, it might have started back in autumn 2019. You know, he said, Wuhan Institute of Virology | ||
| laboratory workers might have fallen sick with a coronavirus-like illness in that period. | ||
| This still needs to be investigated. I'm dedicating pretty much all of my time to work on it. | ||
| You know, journalists around the world, I think, are starting to look at this more seriously now that Trump's out of office. They were reluctant to do so when Trump was in office, I think, in my view, because it would have been seen to help him. But now you see that other journalists are starting to do that. | ||
| When are we going to stop the facade in the intelligence services and the governments that are going to come out? | ||
| Trump is the interregnum between his first term and his second term. | ||
| Can't people just stand up and say, OK, let's just knock off the crap. | ||
| The WHO is not on top of this. | ||
| The intelligence services know. | ||
| When do you believe people are going to come out? | ||
| Because, you know, they're over here today. | ||
| There's 500,000 now casualties. | ||
| CNN is in mourning. | ||
| The flags are at half staff. | ||
| It seems like no progress is being made. | ||
| We don't, you know, the schools aren't open. | ||
| When do you think, Sherry, that the intelligence services and others, not the WHO guys, that clown show, totally compromised, when are people going to step up and say, it came from Wuhan, it came from a biological weapons program, and we've got to get to the bottom of this and tell and demand from the Chinese government to get the raw data? | ||
| Sherry Markson. | ||
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They need the evidence. | |
| They need the evidence. | ||
| So clearly there is some information there because of that December 17, 2020 US State Department press release that Mike Poppea put out. | ||
| There's clearly some intelligence there, but there's not enough. | ||
| If there were enough, you'd think the governments would be coming out saying, this is what we know, this is what we found. | ||
| I think it's a problem because the database from the Wuhan Institute of Virology was deleted. | ||
| Before the pandemic, before we knew about the pandemic. | ||
| So I think there is a difficulty in getting access to information. | ||
| It's going to come down to whistleblowers. | ||
| We need more whistleblowers. | ||
| We need former staff at these laboratories. | ||
| If it came from a laboratory, right? | ||
| We don't know that for sure. | ||
| We, you know, we suspect that that was the case, but we don't have the evidence yet. | ||
| We need defectors. | ||
| We need whistleblowers to come forward. | ||
| We need the governments to let us know what real information they do have. | ||
| And there clearly is some evidence there because of that U.S. | ||
| State Department press release. | ||
| You know, I'm investigating this. | ||
| I'm doing more work on it. | ||
| I'm going to try to find out what intelligence there is, what information there is. | ||
| And I'm going to write about it, bring it to the world, because we do need to know this is the most crucial question of our time. | ||
| How did this pandemic start? | ||
| If it did start from a laboratory, well, we need to know because this dangerous game of function research is happening around the world. | ||
| So if it did come from a laboratory leak, And it has caused two and a half million deaths around the world. | ||
| Economies crushed. | ||
| Ended, you know, the way of life as many of us know it. | ||
| How many families are they grieving? | ||
| My own grandmother in the UK has passed away. | ||
| So many millions of families have lost loved ones to coronavirus. | ||
| We need to know how it started. | ||
| Sherry, just real quickly, and we got 30 seconds. | ||
| You said that you believe journalists throughout the world at your level are now starting to take you seriously and other people's because Trump's out of office and now they feel, oh, it won't help Trump. | ||
| They're now going to get serious about looking at Wuhan. | ||
| Is that your considered opinion? | ||
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Definitely. | |
| Definitely. | ||
| There was this sense before that if a journalist was exploring the lab leak hypothesis, it was giving credence to Trump and Mike Pompeo's What's your social media handles? | ||
| We've got about 20 seconds. | ||
| to help them to take the pressure off Trump. | ||
| The coronavirus was, you know, but now you're starting to see New York. | ||
| Was it New Yorker had a front cover saying let's explore this hypothesis. | ||
| You're starting to see mainstream reporting of it. | ||
| What's your social media handles? | ||
| We got about 20 seconds. | ||
| What's your social media? | ||
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Shari Markson at Shari Markson. | |
| S-H-A-R-I-R-I Markson. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| And yes, please subscribe to the Australian. | ||
| You know, here we have a lot of global stories and you can follow me on Twitter as well. | ||
| You're one of the top investigative reporters in the world, the investigative editor of The Australian and the host of The Sherry Show on Sky Australia. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| We'll be back in a second. | ||
| Now we go to Poland next with Matthew Terman. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Pandemic. | ||
| With Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| The epidemic is a demon, and we cannot let this demon hide. | ||
| War Room. | ||
| Pandemic. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Okay, and the information war that Facebook is now underway against one of our oldest and best allies in Australia. | ||
| We're now going to poll and talk to Matthew Terman about polls, one of our greatest allies now. | ||
| But, Rahim, you gave your speech in Arizona. | ||
| A lot of it was about this topic. | ||
| That you need a binding together. | ||
| What I took away from Sherry's reporting is that, hey, guess what? | ||
| There's no alternative to Facebook in Australia. | ||
| They've got their upper hand. | ||
| Tudor Dixon told us on here a month ago, as a young mom, if you don't have access to Facebook, right, it's very tough to run your, it's very tough to run your life. | ||
| Mr. Rahim Ghassan. | ||
| And what is the conversation that's often had with your libertarians in Washington DC and everything? | ||
| It's not a monopoly, people don't have to use it, whereas in reality, speak to Australians, 40% of Australians that get their news from us, I realise it's not a monopoly in terms of news, but it's a monopoly in terms of A social media website that combines news for you, and also the community aspects of your life. | ||
| So much of this stuff has started running through Facebook. | ||
| But here's what I said this in Phoenix, right? | ||
| Because I just went on, I had my notes, but I just went, I did a full Stephen K banner, just went off on a tangent and ran with it, right? | ||
| And I got on somehow I managed to get onto Australia and Facebook somehow in the middle of my speech, you know, in a ballroom in in Phoenix, Arizona. | ||
| And I said, Hey, look, you cannot solve this issue. | ||
| If it's just Australian, the Australian government trying to tackle Facebook. | ||
| And you cannot solve this issue. | ||
| If it's just Poland and the Polish government fighting Facebook. | ||
| So let's talk about Poland. | ||
| By the way, I'm not so sure the War Room Posse would actually vote against what's happening in Australia. | ||
| They said the mainstream media is out, but we're getting anti-vax and disinformation. | ||
| They say, hold it, one man's disinformation is another man's sustenance. | ||
| Okay, Matthew Tierman, what is Poland doing to stand up to the tech oligarchs? | ||
| You guys have known how to stand up to oligarchs in the past. | ||
| This is about the freedom and the fight of the Polish people. | ||
| What are you guys doing? | ||
| Well, you know, Poland's got very, very recent memory of what Bolshevism looks like, and now we've got, with the global left, especially big media, big tech, technocratic Bolsheviks, technocratic Jacobins, where the ends justify the means. | ||
| And suppression of speech, you know, we can see this coming. | ||
| Anybody who's, you know, fought for liberty, any country whose popular conception has especially been behind the Iron Curtain, they know what censorship looks like. | ||
| Everybody there remembers it if you're over the age of 30 or 35 or 40. | ||
| So still the vast majority of the country. | ||
| So they're taking action and they're doing it both on the domestic level and they're doing it on the EU level. | ||
| And it's not just, you know, paper tiger action. | ||
| It's, you know, these are putative fines that they're going to levy uh... when they develop uh... through legislation a uh... attack in media board that can judge whether the speech being censored israeli in contravention of polish law which when you're censoring freely elected sovereigns that in polls minds would not be you know our criminal speech in fact censoring it would be a criminal act against liberty so they're taking action these fines are pretty large so what is the what what is the what is the polish go | ||
| how it was the polish government policy what your beef what is the beef that's causing this to happen what what what what do you guys complaining about what they're doing well you know seeing donald trump uh... kicked off during uh... during a period uh... where there's supposed to be a robust debate the turnover of power in a democracy I'm seeing the brutality of that technocratically. | ||
| And by the way, it's not just the polls. | ||
| There's a big, robust debate in the EU. | ||
| I was in France when it happened, and the French were up in arms. | ||
| The French have a very, very open media, especially by European standards. | ||
| What was the name of the paper where the massacre occurred? | ||
| Because they were lampooning Islam, which in some countries, in the modern politically correct sensibility where liberty is allowed to be stifled, that's not allowed. | ||
| But in France it is, in a lot of the countries. | ||
| So Morawiecki, the Polish Prime Minister, is pushing this on the EU level, the same framework that they're pushing within his government and the Justice Ministry on the domestic level, which is through the legislature appointing a board where if somebody is booted off or any post is censored or a person is censored, they can then file and if their filing is not reversed within 48 hours, they can bring it to this board And the board has seven days to rule. | ||
| And if after they give a determination, the social media companies don't take any action, they refer to the courts. | ||
| And then you see very putative sanctions. | ||
| And with the vast scale that we see social media and big tech willing to censor, they're willing to censor a popular viewpoint, not fringe viewpoints, popular ones. | ||
| This could get very, very costly very quick. | ||
| And the Central and Eastern European market that will follow suit with this is a profitable one for these companies. | ||
| Were there specific instances in Poland that triggered this? | ||
| Were there certain things that people got eliminated, kicked off, or censored? | ||
| There's been some active censorship within Poland. | ||
| There was a very, very, very followed, probably the most followed on Instagram and memetic account, Based Poland, who I know Rahim and Jack know, a very talented political activist who's very funny and very observant, and he got too successful, so he was booted off a year or so ago. | ||
| But what really changed the zeitgeist and made it really palatable for the mainstream in Poland to say, no, we have to address this, Wow. | ||
| is Donald Trump being silenced during this pivotal period. | ||
| You know, if a head of state can be silenced before there is the turnover in power, what's to say that next will not be somebody in power they'd like to remove? | ||
| And Poles, Hungarians, they know what this kind of lack of stability within their own central governance looks like after communism. | ||
| Okay, by the way, Zeitgeist, I take it you've been reading some of those books in the background. | ||
| Can you give us your social media handle? | ||
| He's written more books than he's read and he's never written a book. | ||
| That's his father's library. | ||
| It's a shower curtain. | ||
| Matthew, how can you get us your social media coordinates? | ||
| MatthewTermond on Facebook, MatthewTermond on Twitter. | ||
| For the time being, we'll see how long that lasts. | ||
| This is going to get worse before it gets better. | ||
| But Matthew, why don't you have any alternate? | ||
| Do you have Parler or Gab or anything like that? | ||
| Well, I had parlor, but, you know, since it's been sort of neutered. | ||
| I'll be back. | ||
| I'll try. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Matthew Terman, thank you very much for joining us. | ||
| I want to get up from Denver if they put up the Curtis Ellis obituary. | ||
| Rahim Curtis Ellis passed away end of last week. | ||
| Services for him yesterday. | ||
| You know, it's so amazing in the timing of this week that President Trump, I think, steps back in and says, hey, This is a MAGA movement. | ||
| We're not going to form a third party. | ||
| We're going to take over the Republican Party. | ||
| It's the thought leaders of Peter Navarro and Curtis Ellis that have gotten us here. | ||
| And if Curtis Ellis, his old friend Rainer Jackson and others, Curtis Ellis's policies were for people of every race, color, gender, ethnicity, all of it. | ||
| And that's why he's a great man. | ||
| We're going to have this New York Times obit up. | ||
| You know what you were saying earlier about this new bunch of talent that we're seeing, the Natalie Winters of the world and Joanna Millers and all of that. | ||
| I mean, it was people like Curtis Ellis. | ||
| And in fact, it was Curtis Ellis who inspired this whole new generation of people. | ||
| And here's the thing about Curtis Ellis, another guy like Andrew Breitbart that came from the left over to the MAGA movement. | ||
| Remember, 20% of our audience are Democrats or former Democrats. | ||
| We all want you as part of this, okay? | ||
| Stephen K. Bannon, we're going to be back at 10 o'clock tomorrow morning. |
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