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Feb. 19, 2021 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 743 – Heading Towards Fascism (w/ Camarota, Swain, Krikorian, Dr. Shiva, Dr. Yan)Episode 743 – Heading Towards Fascism (w/ Camarota, Swain, Krikorian, Dr. Shiva, Dr. Yan)
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Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world.
You don't want to frighten the American public.
France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans.
But you need to prepare for and assume.
Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China.
This is going to be a real serious problem.
France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on.
Health officials are investigating more than 100 possible cases in the US.
Germany, a man has contracted the virus.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus.
Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500.
We have to prepare for the worst, always.
anthony fauci
Because if you don't, then the worst happens.
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War Room.
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Live from our nation's capital, an occupied nation's capital, 43 days of occupation.
It looks like Kabul, looks like the green zone in Baghdad during the height of the war in Iraq.
The question has to be to Jim Jordan, the Freedom Caucus, McCarthy, Mitch McConnell.
Mitch McConnell, you know, wants to be the leader of the Republican Party, wants to shove Trump off to the side.
Where is the demand for the actionable intelligence why we have 7,000 combat, have 7,000 National Guard, up-armored, With razor wire surrounding the nation's capital.
This is a disgrace.
If there's actual intelligence that says we need it, fine.
Put it forward.
Let the American people know that.
And where is the Republican Party demanding that there's no wall at the border in this radical amnesty plan to break the sovereignty of the United States of America?
It doesn't include any of that.
Trust me, that is shut down.
But there's a wall around the nation's capital.
The question has to be, why is it there?
And people in the Republican Party, our elected officials, have got to get on the ramparts and get to work.
This feckless whining, this feckless wandering around.
It's time to get focused and get on point.
This is not a time to sit there and curl up in the fetal position and suck your thumb.
I'm tired of it.
I'm tired of hearing the whining.
Focus, focus, focus.
The Biden administration, the running dogs of Wall Street and the global corporations and this bill shows it.
This is to break the back of the American family.
This is to break the back of working class Hispanics, African-Americans, Asians and white working class families and lower middle class families.
I want to bring back now, we're going to get to Dr. Carol Swain, one of the top thinkers and thought leaders in the conservative movement in a moment, but I got to go back to Steve Camerata.
One thing I just want to mention, Steve, when you talk about these statistics, don't, don't ever lose sight when you talk about the 8 million and you know, the working class have been hurt and the restaurant workers and all that, but some people are doing okay, college educated.
It's taken, ladies and gentlemen, I think, with the $1.9 trillion bill, the bridging device, to still get over this chasm of the drop of aggregate demand.
This has cost us $4 trillion already.
Don't think that's free money.
Eventually, somebody's going to pay that back.
Some generation is going to have a financial crisis, which I happen to think we're hurtling towards.
So this bill's laid on top of the pandemic, the plague, that guess what, came from the Oh yeah, by the way, American taxpayers understand that you're going to pay through Fauci and NIH, you're going to pay a couple million dollars every year to let's continue the gain-of-function experiments.
Why not?
The early ones that Fauci financed turned out so well.
You got plagues, now you got what, seven different variants of it?
On a program that's obviously, we have Dr. Yan on here, that the top thinkers in Europe are now concurring with Dr. Yan, that the PLAs involved, and this is some sort of a bioweapons program, gain of function.
That's clear, we said that from the show, when this show started on January 23rd of 2020, when people laughed in our face about, why, it's nothing out of China, this is another one, Bannon, you got your hair on fire.
No, you are wrong.
This is going to change the course of human history.
So Steve, I just want to make sure, when we talk about these numbers, remember, it's taken us, I think with this new bill, $4 trillion to undergird this.
This is not free.
This bill right now, they're talking about, it's over $2 trillion, they've got to pare it back, it's going to be a $1.9 trillion bill coming in your face.
That guess what?
Look at those little kids running around in the schoolyards.
They're going to pay it.
They're going to pay it.
And do you see, Biden's up there today, do you see anything about China and the Wuhan lab?
No.
And you know what?
I got a great idea.
Let's have the American taxpayers do Fauci and Collins at NIHJ.
Let's give them some more money.
They've done such a great job of managing the Wuhan lab right now, a P4 lab, controlled by the People's Liberation Army.
Of that, there is no question.
There is no question it is a PLA facility.
And it's not a PLA facility for the betterment of the Chinese people or mankind.
Remember, they're the biggest victims.
So, Steve, I've got to bring you back later.
I've got Mark Kerkorian coming on.
But just how do people get your writings, particularly about the impact on American workers?
And remember, when you're reading Camerata's information, there's trillions of dollars that are now underpinning the COVID response to make sure that people You know, still have some sort of semblance of job.
We have no earth to remember.
Nothing said on this thing.
They can't open up the school.
Nothing but double-talk about the schools.
Nothing but double-talk on the vaccine.
Heck, one-third of the military doesn't want to take it.
So Steve, how do people get to your writings?
How do they get to the website?
How do they follow you on Twitter?
unidentified
Yeah, I don't do Twitter, but Mark Krikorian does, and so he sends out a lot of our stuff.
steve bannon
Anyway, all of our stuff... Oh, Mark Krikorian really does Twitter.
That's a whole stream you've just got to follow for the entertainment.
unidentified
I've been able to cancel to him if I try.
So all of our stuff, including all the employment analysis and what's going on in the U.S.
labor market, look at occupations, for example, is at CIS.org, like Center for Immigration Studies, abbreviated.
CIS.org.
steve bannon
But you would agree, just in leaving you, that if La Raza, the radical group that basically wants to destroy the United States, if La Raza and Wall Street had a perfect bill, this would be the bill.
If you had the combination of the radical open borders left and the Wall Street financiers and the global corporatists running dogs, this would be the perfect bill for them, correct?
unidentified
Right.
It's definitely the Chamber of Commerce and their allies and the most progressive wing of the Democratic Party would like this bill very much.
steve bannon
Thank you, Steve Camerota.
All the Republicans out there, I hope you're feeling good.
I want you to feel good about all the deregulation, all the tax cuts you gave these corporations, okay?
They're the most cowardly and woke organizations in the world, and now this bill exposes they're working directly with the most radical elements, the most radical elements of the far left.
I want to bring in now Dr. Carol Swain, Vice Chairman of the 1776 Commission, one of the leading thinkers in the country, and quite frankly the top couple thinkers in the conservative movement from Vanderbilt University.
Dr. Swain, we had to bring you on today about why we actually fight this, is that on top of everything that's going on, now you've got, the wokeness is now getting to the part, I think, of absurdity.
But they're going after Shakespeare.
misogynist, racist.
They want to get rid of Macbeth, they want to get rid of Romeo and Juliet, they want to get rid of Othello, they want to get rid of all of it.
So, Dr. Swain, I had to reach out to you and say, please give us some guidance here, some rationality.
Tell us exactly what is going on, of why the Academy is trying to get rid of William Shakespeare and his writings.
carol m swain
Well, the political left believes that anything that's associated with Western civilization It's dangerous.
And this goes back, I guess, to the 1980s when Jesse Jackson led a protest and he chanted, you know, Western civilization has to go.
What he said was more expressive than that.
But it has been simmering for a while within academia.
What is dangerous now is that the diversity, equity, inclusion industry that It has been mainstreamed, and so it is targeting K-12 education.
They have already destroyed higher education across America, even at the Ivy League schools.
Corporations are embracing their agenda, and what it means is the destruction of education as we know it.
Now, the more educated, the more Affluent parents, their children will read Shakespeare.
Their children will read the great books of Western civilization.
But for the working class and people that are trying, you know, to make it first-generation college students, they will always get an inferior education because they will not be exposed to the great writers.
And you think about Toni Morrison and various people that I know that were great Novelists, great black leaders, when it came to writing, they were people that were educated reading Western civilization, the great books.
And that is going to be denied to a lot of people unless they come from families that value education and value Western civilization in particular.
steve bannon
Dr. Swain, and I'll get to the 1776 Commission in a second, but how can our audience, which is an active audience, when it seems like so much stuff is overwhelming, how would you recommend that they come back and try to fight this, particularly the fact of These kids from lower middle class and working class families that are not going to be able to get the fruits of Western civilization to be able to educate themselves and take it to the next level.
I mean, my grandfather, I think, went to the third grade.
He was out of school by nine or ten.
But if he hadn't had access to these writings, right, he wouldn't have been the man he was and wouldn't have been able to have the family, the extended family that he had.
So how can how can our audience Defend these working-class families and middle-class families to make sure they get access to the great literature of the West.
carol m swain
I mean, you know Shakespeare and that we associate with being well-educated to having that knowledge.
But what is more dangerous is that there are places in the country where they argue that math is racist and that if you demand correct objective answers to math and science, That somehow that's white supremacy and for parents who think, okay, well, we'll put up with it.
The school board says we need to treat minority students in a particular way.
They have to realize that it's not just minority students who are affected by this nonsense.
It affects every child.
And teachers are being forced to teach things that they know will destroy the lives of their children, but to keep their jobs, they're being forced to do this.
I think the solution is to go back to the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment and the civil rights laws, because when it comes to racism and singling out White people, white supremacy because of the color of their skin and using that as a weapon to destroy American education.
I believe that people are on solid ground when they say no to racism, and that includes the racism that's coming from the political left that will destroy the educational capabilities and opportunities for every child who's forced to be educated in a system like that.
So we all have a stake in making sure that we don't go along with things that we think, oh, OK, we'll go along with it.
They say, you know, this is how we fight systemic racism.
I cannot think of anything more racist than denying children an opportunity to be educated in a way that they can be productive citizens, get real jobs.
Because if you say that math doesn't demand right answers and that teachers can't correct math problems and that Two plus two doesn't equal four.
It means that you're training people who cannot be engineers, scientists, pharmacists, or even cashiers.
This is very serious business.
We all have a stake in pushing back.
And unfortunately, the Biden administration has been like critical race theory on steroids.
And the most extreme left.
And I assume that a lot of the people that are pushing this were terrible students.
They didn't do well in college.
They didn't like anything that was true education.
So they don't want any right or wrong answers.
They were failures.
They probably should not have gotten into the schools that educated them.
steve bannon
Dr. Swain, we'd like you to stay over to the break.
Just a question, we've got about 30 seconds.
Is your proposition you believe that education could be and is the civil rights issue of the 21st century?
carol m swain
Absolutely.
And if you look at what the political left is pushing, just look at it and what it means when it comes to the education of minority children, but also every child in America.
It is a civil rights issue, and we are all going to be victims if we don't stand up.
steve bannon
Doctor, if you can just please stay with us through the break.
I've got to ask you about the 1776 Commission, your great work there and the work in the future.
Okay, we're going to take a short commercial break.
We'll return with Dr. Carol Swain in a moment from Vanderbilt University.
We've also got Mark Krikorian from the Center for Immigration Studies go through this immigration bill, another aspect of it.
When we return on War Room Pandemic.
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With education being the civil rights issue of the 21st century, we're joined by Dr. Carol Swain, formerly Professor of Political Science and Law at Vanderbilt University and Vice Chairman of President Trump's 1776 Commission.
Also, you were editor, I think, of a book, Debating Immigration, put out by Cambridge University Press, I think in 18.
Quickly, do you have any, I know you haven't had a chance probably to look at this bill, but in a time of a plague, in a time of a global pandemic, When the pressure on working class families could not be more severe.
Schools are not open.
Right.
They have also always had limited more limited access to health care.
The working class families now on the Rio Grande Valley, the Hispanic families down there that voted.
In many counties overwhelmingly for Donald Trump's America First policies now have the burden of the cartels and the plague and now they've got, as Todd Bensman from CIS tells us, massing on the border now by the cartels because it's a massive multi-billion dollar a year business to do human trafficking and particularly the trafficking of women and young girls, right?
But the burden falls on them.
Let's put the burden on the people that can take it best.
Working class Hispanic families in the Rio Grande Valley, Southern Arizona, New Mexico, California.
Why don't we do that?
That's a good idea.
Go ahead, Carol.
carol m swain
I can tell you that one of the things that is happening is Biden is trying to overwhelm everyone with so much activity, a flurry of activity.
This immigration bill is important and it's part of their agenda to destroy America as we know it.
steve bannon
Dr. Swain, last but not least, the 1776 Commission.
Your guys' work in, I think, under 100 days was amazing.
What's the status of that and how can we take it forward, even if Biden and his regime do not want to take it forward?
carol m swain
I would say that the 1776 Commission lives on.
We recently completed a book that should be out in a few months.
We may not be a part of the U.S.
government, but you cannot destroy a set of ideals.
And so you will be hearing more from us.
So we may not be a part of the Biden administration, but we are very much alive and we care about America's children and the education of its people.
And so the ideals that the Biden administration is trying to destroy at this time, they live on.
1776 Commission, we will continue our work.
steve bannon
God bless you.
Dr. Swain, how can people get access to you during the day, either social media or your website?
carol m swain
My website is BeThePeopleNews.com.
BeThePeopleNews.com.
Instead of We The People, it's Be The People.
And I'm on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Telegram, CloudHub, just about everywhere.
So I encourage people to connect with me and we will make America great again.
And again, another shout out to President Trump.
If you are watching, we miss you.
steve bannon
Dr. Swain, thank you very much.
Honor to have you on here.
Thank you.
Patriot and fighter, Dr. Carol Swain.
Just an amazing individual.
I want to turn now to another amazing individual, Mark Krikorian from the Center for Immigration Studies.
Mark, we had a chance to kind of talk about What we thought was going to be on this and you know kind of the inklings of what you felt because you've been following this since the beginning and was a delay but this thing was dropped yesterday and the radical nature of it is as you get into it is more shocking.
It's tough to shock me but I'm shocked.
I'd like to have you now that you've had you know a day to look at this to get because you're you're considered I think one of the top if not the top thought leader When it comes to the whole aspect of sovereignty and immigration and employment in the economy, in our culture, in our civilization.
What say you, sir?
mark krikorian
Well, I mean, it's definitely shocking.
It's although honestly, I mean, I'm kind of beyond shock when you're dealing with these people, because the approach that this bill is that represents is the idea that Any immigrant, any foreigner anywhere in the world has the right to come here, and we don't have the right to stop them.
That's the animating principle of the hard left that has come to take over the Democratic Party's position on immigration.
So, you know, I mean, they would concede, sure, you know, if somebody's a terrorist and has a ticking bomb in his hand, we don't have to let him in.
But everybody else, literally, they have a right to come here.
And you see that in the three big things that this bill does.
It amnesties every illegal immigrant, not just the ones who've been here a long time that we figure, okay, let's sort of shrug our shoulders and let them stay.
No, it amnesties everybody who got here as of a month and a half ago.
It's ridiculous.
Secondly, it reduces immigration enforcement.
Again, a radical change from past bills like this that were also bad, but at least had the pretense that they're fixing a problem and going forward won't have a big illegal population because the enforcement will be there.
Well, this bill doesn't just not contain enforcement, it actually reduces existing immigration enforcement.
And then the third thing it does, Is it roughly doubles legal immigration?
And the thinking there, and this is where it aligns with the, you know, everyone in the world can come here thing.
The thinking is that there shouldn't ever be a waiting list, a line to get into the United States.
That's why they're increasing it.
And if there's another, you know, end up with more people wanting to come in, Then are able to be met by that new higher level, then they have to increase it again because it is the intending immigrant, the person overseas who gets to decide whether he moves here, not the American people exercising their sovereignty through their elected representatives.
steve bannon
Okay, you've hit the number, so I want to tie the intending immigrant Back to this animating idea that everybody, this is the signal, not the noise in this bill.
And this is the radical nature of it about our sovereignty as a people.
Every race, color, religion, gender, ethnicity, sexual preference that are American citizens.
And this is a combination not just of the radical left, this is the radical left and the financial interests of Wall Street, the global corporations, the Chamber of Commerce.
You're seeing now they've been exposed.
They're working together hand-in-hand because this is going to drive down labor costs.
I want to go back to that animating idea and tie it back to the intending immigrant.
Essentially the argument you're making, I'd like you to back it up, is that the big idea in back of this bill is essentially everybody in the world's got a right to come to the United States and to live here.
mark krikorian
Is that correct, sir?
They won't come out and say that, but I'm not kind of putting words in their mouths, as it were.
In other words, this is the principle behind their approach to immigration, and even the principle behind the earlier bills.
At least the earlier bills, though, were camouflaged better.
But let's go back to 2004, when President Bush, George W. Bush, gave a big speech on immigration to restart his amnesty push.
Which he was intending to kick off on September 12th of 2001, and then something happened that interrupted that.
So that put the kibosh on it, but just for a few years.
In 2004, President Bush gave this talk to restart his amnesty push, and what he said is that any willing worker anywhere in the world who can find a willing employer in the United States Should be able to come here, regardless of what industry, regardless of what part of the country, regardless of the wage, as long as it's above the minimum wage, regardless of anything.
And that is, you know, in a sense, because he's talking about the employer side of it, it's sort of the right wing version of this idea we're talking about of, you know, essentially open borders.
The left wing version doesn't even have the employer part in it.
But it's all like you said, it isn't just a left thing.
It's libertarians, corporate people and the left, who don't think That the American people have a right to borders is kind of what it amounts to, or at least not a right to decide how many people come over those borders, beyond just keeping out people with Ebola and terrorists.
Other than that, I mean, I've debated libertarians, and I've explained this, and I think this is a way to think about it, is that they believe everyone in the world has a right to come here, with some exceptions that we can make.
Whereas our perspective is that no one in the world has the right to come here, and then we make exceptions for people we want to let in.
Those are two completely different and irreconcilable approaches to the immigration issue.
steve bannon
Mark, I'd ask you if you can stay with us through the break, because I've got some other things we want to deal with.
But in a time of a plague, In a time when the Biden administration can't give us a straight answer about opening schools, and remember we're talking about schools principally for working class families and for lower middle class families, right?
And you don't really have a straight answer on the distribution of vaccines if you want them.
or you don't even have real straight answers on the effect of these vaccines.
The whole plague and the whole pandemic management is kind of up in the air.
You get CDC tells you one thing, Biden says another thing, Kamala Harris says one thing.
How do you put forward this bill in a time of plague, sir?
mark krikorian
It's a good question. And I mean, it's a time of unemployment as well as plague, related to the plague.
In fact, that's kind of like the question a mayor, small town mayor in South Texas, Mexican-American guy, filmed.
We have a blog post on it at our site, CIS.org.
He filmed a plea to President Biden not to be letting people in and then letting them loose on the streets of his small town, well, city of Del Rio.
Which not only is being hit by a plague, but also by weather disaster and unemployment problems.
So it really is mystifying how they think that this is a good idea.
steve bannon
Mark, just hang over and take a short commercial break.
We'll return with Dr. Mark Kerkorian from CIS in a moment.
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steve bannon
Okay, our guest is Mark Corcoran from Center for Immigration Studies.
Mark, look, the reason this show has the impact it has is the audience.
And this audience is an activist audience that wants to put its shoulder to the wheel to save their country.
And they're very engaged.
And they will take action.
So here's what I think is important.
Because it's been a couple of years since we really had a details back, I think, almost to 2013.
Since we really had a national debate on what immigration means for this country, the financial impacts, the cultural impacts, the societal impacts, and about American sovereignty.
And you've nailed this thing about the animating idea.
This bill is basically to destroy the sovereignty of the American people.
Now it's got all kind of aspects to it, all kind of details, all kind of enforcement, but the signal is it's about the destruction of the American people's sovereignty and their ability.
No matter your color, your ethnicity, Your religion, your gender, your sexual preference, but as an American citizen that you get to decide.
You get to decide.
Exactly what the sovereignty of this country is.
This gives the right to everybody in the world to come here.
Not that you don't have a right to come here, but we will make exceptions and here's the exceptions we will make.
So Mark, we need to have this debate and remember this is a convergence of forces.
It is the financial and economic forces of the globalist and it's the radical cultural Marxist open borders left.
Remember, this is not about Republican and Democrat.
It's not about conservative and liberal.
It's not about progressive and right-wing.
Forget all this.
That's meaningless.
It's divided, and the reason there's not going to be unity, there's two different ways to look at this country today and going forward.
On one side, you have the populist, nationalist, traditionalist.
And on the other side, you have the globalist, elitist, radical, secularist.
That's why Bush's Bill, on September 12th of 2001, that he was delayed of giving back to 2004 because his administration was asleep on the watch about radical jihad.
Right?
What happened the day before his speech, September 11th of 2001.
So Mark, how can you, because you're the guys who are the thought leaders, we've had Bensman on today, we've had Camerata on today, we've got you on today, and Rosemary Jenks and the numbers you're asking, they're the triggering event.
They'll get the guys to the ramparts, the calls, the emails, everything, and this audience will be there.
One of the reasons our audience is so powerful as an activist is that they do their homework.
How is CIS now, in this complicated bill but particularly the theory in back of it and all that, how is CIS over the coming days and weeks ahead going to help us get up the learning curve?
mark krikorian
What we're doing is we've got a couple of briefings for Capitol Hill staff we're doing next week and we're preparing a kind of short briefing book, not a book really, it's an overview For that and what we're going to do is once we have those briefings, we're going to adapt it and have that on our site for people to be able to learn.
What's going on both with the bill and sort of what lays behind the bill?
steve bannon
Can you put up exactly what you're going to give the Hill staff?
I mean, no offense, I know the Hill staff.
This audience is ten times smarter.
God bless the Hill staffs, right?
unidentified
Sure.
steve bannon
These are working class members.
If we can put up exactly what they're seeing, then we can hold them to account for what they're not doing.
So what we'd like to do is have the unexpurgated version of whatever you show the guys on the Hill, show this audience, and trust me, they will say, hey look, Kerkorian told you back here, what are you guys doing?
And not give them any room to hide, because this is all about hiding.
They're going to hide.
Here's where they're going to hide the Chamber of Commerce, the guys writing the big checks through these packs, they're going to tell them, hey, here's what we want you to do.
We want to break this thing up and we're going to sneak some stuff in here.
No, there's not going to be any sneaking.
We're going to shut this down in every avenue they try to come at it.
But the only way that can happen is if this audience has got the same information and just as smart as the guys on the Hill.
So can we do that?
mark krikorian
We will, indeed.
Yep.
steve bannon
Perfect.
Appreciate it.
mark krikorian
You know, one thing I'd like to point out, though, and this is something Numbers USA is good at in helping people understand, but I think a lot of people don't get it, that one of the ways you stop something like this is by having one person in the House or the Senate or one of each who does nothing but hammer away at this issue.
Jeff Sessions stopped Bush's amnesty.
Jeff Sessions stopped Obama's amnesty.
He's not there anymore.
And so the question now is, and this is something people may have the demand of their own members.
What are you doing?
What are you, you know, what leadership role are you taking to stop this amnesty?
Because that's the only way it happens.
You've got to have a squeaky wheel in the House and in the Senate that hammer away at it every day.
steve bannon
Mark, how do people, by the way, everybody that wants to stay up on this issue has got to go on Twitter and follow, even if you don't like Twitter, you've got to go on Twitter and follow Mark Krikorian.
What is your, because it's a unique experience, what is your Twitter, what's your Twitter feed, and then how do people get more access to you, Mark?
mark krikorian
My Twitter handle is Mark S, as in Stephen, Mark S Krikorian, and it's K-R-I-K, Mark S Krikorian, it won't be hard to find.
And CIS is online at CIS.org.
It's easy to find.
We have blog posts every day and we have all kinds of stuff all the time there.
steve bannon
Thank you, sir.
Appreciate it.
Thank you for joining us.
mark krikorian
Thank you, Steve.
steve bannon
Bye.
From our live chat people, Bannon, I think you're confused.
Whoa.
This is about creating a one party state where Republicans never win another election.
OK, full stop.
Appreciate the comment.
Always keep me on alert, right?
Now bring in Dr. Shiva from MIT to talk about what?
How we're going to win future elections, right?
The one we're going to do is get rid of these machines.
Dr. Shiva, we got about eight minutes.
I want to go back to how you left the audience hanging yesterday about this ratio.
This thing, talk about the mathematical anomaly of what you found out when you did your research.
You got, what, four degrees from MIT?
That you found in this thing, in your court case, and you're in federal court suing.
Talk about how these things, like yours was .66, the other guy was 1.73.
I thought we just counted votes.
Walk through what you found in this and why they're so afraid of you.
dr shiva ayyadurai
Yes, so very briefly, Steve, in the most concise way, just think about Think about it this way.
We, you have a box, which you enter into a booth.
You're supposed, if you have 10 people come in, you should get 10 votes, right?
Uh, which means that you should not have more votes than voters or less votes, uh, uh, than people coming in.
Well, we found out in Massachusetts, we did a sampling.
There were more votes than voters.
For example, in Boston, uh, there was 4,118 more votes than actual people who voted and same in Newton, et cetera.
How, how did that come across this?
Because in Franklin County, Which was the hand-counted county.
I won by 10% in every other county.
I lost 60-40, 60-40, 60-40, 60-40 to a guy that was nowhere to be found at all.
So when you go into and you understand how these electronic systems work, you find out that there is a feature embedded into the system, which is approved by the state election directors called a weighted race feature.
What that means is you could multiply votes by a factor, by a weight.
Now, this is apparently put in for housing associations, we can talk about, or for shares, right?
But in the United States, at least I thought, since Justice Earl Warren's ruling in 1964, it's one person, one vote.
But the electronic voting machine, certified by state election directors, allows you to deny one person, one vote.
That is an option now that people can do.
And that's what happened in Massachusetts.
We found an anomaly where we saw a very interesting pattern, Steve.
Look, in pattern analysis, which is A much more richer field than even math.
You're looking for normal patterns and abnormal patterns.
Think about the heart rhythm.
You know, you get this nice QRST complex.
If you see a sine wave, you know something's wrong with the heart.
Well, in Massachusetts, in one of the counties, we saw this very interesting pattern, Steve, where there were double the number of odd votes and even votes in a pattern that goes up, down, up, down, up, down.
When we looked into that and we reverse calculated, you find out that my votes The only way you get that pattern, we're multiplied by .666, and it has to be those three decimals.
It's a very interesting characteristic of the math.
And the other guys was multiplied by 1.2.
When we de-weighted the elections, I win.
And in fact, we found in Massachusetts, they also did another thing.
They suppress the votes.
Because in these electronic voting machines, Steve, they can do two things.
They can decide when a vote is processed, converted to a ballot image, is it a Good ballot image or something that's a bad ballot image?
Bad ballot image means it needs to be adjudicated by humans.
That's an error rate, Steve.
So if they set that high...
They can say, I'm just going to throw away all of Shiva's ballot images.
In Massachusetts, we found out that they told us that they deleted, they don't store ballot images, which is a violation of federal law.
So the two levers that they have, Steve, is the weights that they can manipulate and literally throwing away ballot images.
And through that methodology, you and I as a citizen can never understand the chain of custody of what actually happened in that election.
But more importantly, they control the levers of multiplying votes.
This is why the other guy didn't even have to campaign, Steve.
He was probably thinking I was a fool.
Oh my God, look, she was busting his whatever and going out there.
He's got all these volunteers.
They were probably laughing at us, Steve.
And that's what's fundamentally going on.
They don't need to campaign.
They have selections, not elections.
Both the GOP and the Democrats do this together.
This is why in this entire election fraud issue, my concern was in my lawsuit.
We have two lawsuits.
The first lawsuit was where we exposed that the government contacted Twitter to throw me off when I exposed ballot images were deleted.
The judge gave us a big victory there.
He issued the terms of the restraining order against the Secretary of State.
He said you can no longer do that.
The second lawsuit was we've asked for decertification of the entire U.S.
Senate election.
In Massachusetts and for a hand recount.
And in this in this situation, they filed a nearly 200 page motion to dismiss Steve and the judge denied it.
That's huge.
And and they couldn't even come up with any rebuttals to my mathematical analysis.
So that's where we're at Steve.
steve bannon
Real quickly though, and I want to stay over the break, and I've got Dr. Ian, I've got to get you on Wuhan, but this is what I don't understand.
The weighted race factor, whatever you found in the machine, why is that even, call me simple, Why don't we just count the actual ballots that were voted or even the facsimiles?
Why do you have to have a what is the what's the intellectual construct of why you have to have a weighted average or a weighted rate?
How do they even justify that?
dr shiva ayyadurai
Right, so around that time, remember these voting companies, the technology they use, they sell to other companies.
Housing associations, see, let's say you and I live in a condo, you got 2,000 square feet, I have 1,000, another guy's got 1,500.
So for the maintenance bills, when people vote on some condo association or housing association issue, you get two votes, I get one vote, the other guy gets 1.5 votes, okay?
That's where this came from.
But why the hell is that feature in federal election software?
Which means the state election directors certified that.
So it should not be there.
In fact, the central point of the second lawsuit I have is called a one-person, one-vote lawsuit.
And what I'm saying is, there's no reason for even having these features.
If these features exist, we must go back to hand-counted paper ballots.
There's no reason, Steve, except to have a lever to flip.
That's why it's there.
That's the only logical reason.
steve bannon
Dr. Shiva, how would you lead an effort?
We got about 30 seconds and we'll come back over the break.
How would you lead an effort?
Because now I'm more convinced than ever, and look, we've invited Dominion, we'll take any guy, any voting machine person, come on here, and how do they justify even having these voting machines?
Why don't we just do away with it, have the national, make it a national holiday, have the high school kids come in, the college kids come in, make it part of the civics classes, and just start counting good old-fashioned Paper ballots?
Is it, is it, is it?
We're that overwhelmed with ballots?
We need, we need to do a, we need, we need machines?
dr shiva ayyadurai
No, look, if they, so the, so I've, one of the things, Steve, when people go to VHShiva.com, I'm proposing a thing called Clean Elections, a big petition where we should run a bottoms-up movement, and that movement should demand two things.
Hand-counted paper ballots in precincts, like I said, call it a national holiday.
The second piece is, if they want to use electronic voting machines, you must Save the ballot images and publish them in the cloud.
That's the only way.
steve bannon
Hang on.
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steve bannon
The battle for 2003 has not ended.
November 3rd of 2003 is not over.
It's in courtrooms, it's in federal courtrooms, state courtrooms, state legislatures, everywhere from Arizona to Michigan to Massachusetts, Georgia, and we're going to continue to cover this fight daily.
Dr. Shiva from MIT is one of the heroes of this, and he's fighting in federal court right now.
Dr. Shiva, we're jammed for time, but how do people get to Clean Elections?
How do people get to your site?
How can they follow your case?
How do they get to your Twitter?
How do they follow you on social media?
How do they get to your site, and particularly the site that talks about what you want to do for clean elections?
Because this audience is going to want to get in back of that.
So walk us through how they get access to you.
dr shiva ayyadurai
Yes, so the best way to go, Steve, because, you know, I was thrown off Twitter permanently when I brought up the ballot image issues again, which is in court also, is that people should go to VictoryAmericaShiva.com.
The other thing, Steve, we're doing is we're creating a platform, you know, as a technologist, A lot of people are saying, Shiva, you should create your own platform.
What we're doing, Steve, is on VAHiva.com, we're doing three things.
We're creating a platform where we educate people, Steve, on the political physics of change.
We're actually applying engineering systems theory to teach people in a three-hour course.
They understand what a system is.
The second thing is we're teaching people why we need to build a bottoms-up movement and particularly, Steve, what I call the not-so-obvious establishment.
It's the people on the left and the right who claim they stand for us, who always manipulate us back to the establishment.
So, I've created in many ways, Steve, a political physics course and then we give people communication platforms, Steve.
You should join us sometime, Al.
steve bannon
It's really cool because what I … it.
I want to do a whole special on this, an hour special.
dr shiva ayyadurai
Without political physics, Steve, without political theory, there will be no movement.
And, you know, you need Newton's laws to build a bridge.
You need Bernoulli's equations to build a plane.
We think we're going to build movements just by sloganeering, no.
So we teach people that, but particularly we look back at history and point out when movements worked, when they didn't.
And then, Steve, we're offering people the equivalent of Facebook, the equivalent of email, the equivalent of a forum.
What we call in the underground, so people can join, people can commune.
But our goal is to have about 50,000 people nationwide politically consciously trained so they don't get bamboozled by the left or the right.
And then finally, we're doing things where people get activated.
See, for example, people can go online on the masks issue.
You know, my research company has actually done the research to show masks cause oral health. People can download these little cards, Steve, and they're distributing in their communities to incentivize working people to danger. So it's a platform, Steve, for education, communication, and activation.
steve bannon
So one more time, how do people get there?
dr shiva ayyadurai
VASHIVA.com. VictoryAmericaVASHIVA.com.
steve bannon
Okay, we'll have it up on site.
Look forward to doing the Political Physics special.
Thank you very much, Dr. Shiva.
dr shiva ayyadurai
Yep, your audience would love it because they're a very smart, educated audience, but they need some guts and training.
steve bannon
Absolutely, political physics.
Thank you.
Now I want to go to Dr. Li Ming-Yang, our 2020 Woman of the Year in the War and Pandemic.
Breaking news from the Wall Street Journal.
Headline, COVID-19 was spreading in China before first confirmed cases.
Fresh evidence suggests.
Sub-headline, the number and genetic sequencing of the first cases identified by China suggests coronavirus was spreading before early December of 2019.
Now, where did I hear that before?
Oh yeah, from Dr. Li Ming Yang, who left Hong Kong University, the reference lab of the WHO.
So, Dr. Yant, we've got so much to talk to you, we'll probably bring you back tonight, because I've got to give you a full sequence, we've only got a couple of minutes.
This report in the Wall Street Journal, other reports that are coming out daily from physicists in Germany, throughout the world, supporting your contention.
That this came from the Wuhan lab and there was stuff out there well before, well before early 2020.
What say you about all this?
dr li-meng yan
So what I want to tell is actually from the China CDC head, George Gold's publication in last February, they already confirmed that almost 400 cases in Wuhan that is diagnosed and already get covered up by the China government in December 2019.
So that means this is only a handful of data exposed.
And no matter how many cases happened at that time, I don't think people should be surprised.
The key point is whether you still have a chance to get the raw data from the China government.
Because as I know, first, most of people cannot get diagnosed.
They are ignored purposely.
Another thing is China government destroyed many samples.
even early January in Wuhan Virology Institute.
So based on these things, I think people should know that there are definitely a lot of cover-up in China.
And the most important thing is, during the process, we are going back to see the real origin of COVID-19.
We should not give any more credit to China government and also WHO.
steve bannon
Real quickly, got about a minute.
It's now reported that the American taxpayer, our audience, is going to be paying for additional experiments for the next couple of years in the Wuhan lab.
What do you say about that, Dr. Yan?
dr li-meng yan
What I want to tell is, based on my research experience and long-term study and other experience in China, I won't tell people that maybe this is the case. You know that US taxpayers use their money to support the research in China, including the military civil projects which is used to attack US back. But there are more actually.
That's just because the media may not review it or people didn't notice it.
This is where you folks are now and still you say it works although you don't want it to happen.
So what I want to tell is you as taxpayers, if you don't want to do it and you don't want People like Chinese Communist Party and those corrupt organization use your money to harm you, then you should do action.
You are still in a free country, more free than China.
steve bannon
Dr. Yang, we're gonna have you back on this afternoon.
Dr. Li Ming-Yang from Hong Kong University, she was in charge of the reference lab on a day-to-day basis, a witness of fact of what went on there, has been preaching the gospel of saying, hey, this thing happened a long time before they admitted to it.
And they've been destroying evidence.
Dr. Yan, thank you very much.
We'll get your social media up.
Everybody, Rahim Ghassan, he's out west giving a speech.
He's going to be on his 3 o'clock podcast.
We'll be back at 5 o'clock.
Have Dr. Yan and others.
Peter Navarro walking through the Tom Cotton Report on the CCP.
All at 5 o'clock today.
Make sure you join us.
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