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Bannons WarRoom Ep 522: Brigadier (w/ Epshteyn, Trennert, and Dr. Thayer)
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boris epshteyn
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jason trennert
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steve bannon
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jack maxey
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anthony fauci
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unidentified
Well the virus has now killed more than a hundred people in China and new cases have been confirmed around the world.
jason trennert
You don't want to frighten the American public.
unidentified
France and South Korea have also got evacuation plans.
But you need to prepare for and assume.
Broadly warning Americans to avoid all non-essential travel to China.
That this is going to be a real serious problem.
France, Australia, Canada, the US, Singapore, Cambodia, Vietnam, the list goes on.
Health officials are investigating more than a hundred possible cases in the US.
Germany, a man has contracted the virus.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
Japan, where a bus driver contracted the virus.
Coronavirus has killed more than 100 people there and infected more than 4,500.
anthony fauci
We have to prepare for the worst, always, because if you don't and the worst happens, War Room.
unidentified
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
I'd like to give a hat tip to our head of marketing, Madeline Peltz at Media Matters.
She does a better analysis of the show.
Should I keep goading her?
unidentified
Yeah.
steve bannon
By the way, Madeline, in the body of your... She's wonderful.
She's terrific.
In the body of your work, though, you gotta say a thing on the struggle session.
I did say it was a quote that was using a figure of speech.
unidentified
She did put that in there.
steve bannon
No, no, no, no, but she didn't say figure of speech in the body of it.
unidentified
She put the clip where it says... Oh, no, I thought she did.
Maybe she took it out.
I was pretty sure she did.
steve bannon
No, no, no, no, no.
unidentified
No, struggle sessions.
steve bannon
Early in the broadcast, Bannon said Stable should be subject to a struggle session, a term referring to a public ritual of humiliation, a public dissent.
And then she puts my quote, direct quote, where I said I was talking figuratively.
We would never want anybody to have a struggle session.
That's what the left does.
That's what they're trying to do to the head of the Senate walking through the airport.
They want struggle sessions.
No, we don't approve of starvation.
jack maxey
Antifa and BLM have been a nationwide struggle session for six months.
You saw the way they go into restaurants, ask you to lift your fist, all this nonsense, drink your beer off your table.
steve bannon
Where's Media Matters on that?
Where's Media Matters on that?
Where's Media Matters on any of that?
Where's Media Matters?
Madeleine, if you actually cover that, we will give you a real cigar.
jack maxey
No.
steve bannon
No, no, no.
I don't want to do that.
I don't want this.
Save those.
This is special.
unidentified
Okay, we've got Boris Epstein.
Open offer, Madeleine Peltz.
Come and sit in the war room.
steve bannon
Oh, we want a co-host.
We'd love to have you co-host.
We'd love to have you co-host.
Very perceptive.
Boris Epstein.
So Boris, walk us through, the session yesterday was fantastic, except kind of a little bit at the end ruined with hair and makeup, but the message was very powerful.
Can you walk people through today like Georgia, Wisconsin, I know you're limited for time, can you just lay out the battle map on Friday as we go into this weekend with the clock ticking, where are we with these lawsuits?
Okay, we're sorry, we don't have Boris.
I know, there he is.
boris epshteyn
I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. Okay. Hi. Hi. First of all, Steve, never, never make fun of Rudy Giuliani's war paint, okay?
steve bannon
It was like Braveheart, right?
I like at the end he just signals me and comes down.
I love it.
unidentified
Genius.
boris epshteyn
Listen, here's the deal.
Here's the deal, ready?
The left and the media, the haters can make fun of us all we want, but we're here working.
You know what I mean?
Rudy Giuliani's here working.
He's doing what has to be done.
and you know and and the media is just angry and they're upset about it well you know what that's that's their prerogative what our prerogative is is to go around the country and to make sure that all the legal votes are counted so in georgia you had the sham uh recount that was finished we're pushing for a real recount we're going to get that done uh and and and we're confident that even if the governor certifies which there's some more that he made today there's still a period
there to contest the election and to and to ensure a true and real recount And if the vote is off, even by one vote in Georgia, they have to recertify the whole thing.
So that's Georgia.
In Pennsylvania, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed a great letter today to supplement the filing of the second amended complaint.
Again, we're expanding our arguments.
due process violation, equal protection violation.
So we're feeling very positive about the Pennsylvania process in Michigan.
The Wayne County Board of Canvassers did not certify the vote.
Now that's going to go to the State Board of Canvassers where it's 2-2, and the process continues there.
Nevada, you've got the contested election.
In Wisconsin, as we've talked about the last couple days, we believe that that audit, which Donald J. Trump and his campaign are paying $3 million for, the audit in Milwaukee and Wayne County had to put up the money first.
That's how Wisconsin does it.
They want the money, they want the cheddar first.
Okay, that's a pun.
Okay, that's a pun for you guys.
Wisconsin, they want the cheddar first.
So we sent the $3 million over.
Now we're doing that.
Now we've got the audit and we're confident.
When that's done, over 100,000 ballots that were voted by mail unlawfully will be uncovered.
The difference, and that's in Milwaukee, Dane County, which are heavily Biden counties.
Difference there is 20,000 overall.
Nevada, a ton of irregularities.
Arizona, we're looking at a lot of options legally.
And then we're really looking into this issue in New Mexico, where I believe up to 180,000 or more ballots were impacted by observers not being allowed to inspect mail-in ballot processing.
And the difference there is only 100,000.
unidentified
So that's where our perspectives are.
steve bannon
Okay, a couple things.
Number one, in Georgia, you have a Republican government, a Republican Secretary of State.
Why are they hurdling to do this, and are you guys actually going to file?
We know we've got Lynn Woods, and he got hung up yesterday actually on the injunction for you guys, although he's doing it as a private citizen, and kind of overwhelmed his constitutional argument about the consent.
So, are you guys, is the Trump campaign and the lawyer team that reports up to Rudy and you and Sidney, are you actually going to file a suit in federal court in Georgia?
boris epshteyn
So not to get ahead of the team, not to get ahead of the bear, but let's just put it this way.
We are going to exhaust our legal options in the state of Georgia, right?
That's about as clear as I can say it.
So we are absolutely looking to ensure that only the legal votes in Georgia are counted.
steve bannon
Perfect.
So not another bogus recount.
Is the governor of Georgia going to step on everything and certify today?
Do you have any knowledge about what to anticipate happening down in Georgia today?
boris epshteyn
So we hope not, but even if Brian Kemp does certify, which he should not, but even if he does, we still have a great spirit and an opportunity to contest that.
And that's what I was saying.
We can contest that, force another recount, a real recount with signature matching, and if that's even one vote off from the original count, then everything has to be recertified.
So that certification, even if it happens today, it's not as seminal as it may seem.
steve bannon
Okay, in, I think it's Wisconsin, where this story, John Solomon's got this story, he's got an analysis from a Princeton PhD, Yale graduate, he's done a mathematical assessment, you've got Matt Brainerd, has now, you've got Tim Pool, the liberal, talking about Matt Brainerd, the old digital, the data director for the Trump 16 campaign in Wisconsin.
Is the campaign, is your team taking all this incoming, that's coming now, you've got, you're crowdsourced, literally dozens of brilliant mathematicians, statistics people, are coming up with evidence every day, mathematical evidence, it's just overwhelming.
Are you guys, is there an apparatus you have that incorporates all that?
And if so, can you tell us how people, because we're getting blown up here, but people want, that have information, that have things that are relevant, They want to show you guys.
So how do we do that?
boris epshteyn
Any information they have?
Steve, you obviously have my email.
Shoot me an email.
I'll get it disseminated to the team.
Now, it's got to be credible.
It's got to be real.
But as long as it's not...
And we've got an apparatus set up to look at all that information, and everybody should rest assured that we are looking at everything.
We're studying everything, and we will not be intimidated.
We'll continue to push forward.
We will ensure that this election was done fair and square, and are confident that when that is ensured, that President Trump will end up reelected for four more years.
steve bannon
There's a report now, I just got a report out of Arizona that somebody sent me, that Congressman Gosar and Congressman Biggs are somehow going to sit down with relevant authorities at the Navajo Nation or the Indian, the tribes, and anybody that's been to Arizona know that the the Native Americans have many reservations there and are a very powerful political force in Arizona.
Is there any, does the campaign know anything about this, about Gosar and Biggs actually sitting down? There may be some discrepancies or some problems in that very close set. Congressman Gosar and Biggs are great Americans?
boris epshteyn
Great Americans.
And I'm sure that if they're doing that, they're doing it with good reason.
And I will remind folks that the difference, as you were just going to say, Steve, is only about 10,300 in Arizona.
When Fox News called it, it was 200,000.
When I got on the ground there, 48 hours after election, it was about 70,000.
Now it rests at about 10,000.
it was 200,000 when I got on the ground there, 48 hours after election it was about 70,000, now it rests at about 10,000. So let's see what happens.
steve bannon
Boris, one thing also, I've always said that Sidney Powell is a free option in finance, as you know, you're a finance guy too and a lawyer, and that you guys are very focused on these individual states and the details and the receipts in these individual states on the math and what happened, whether it's Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia.
You're now expanding it, you know, re-looking at Arizona and maybe expanding it to New Mexico.
unidentified
It's got to be all legal votes.
steve bannon
Sidney Powell's got a broader A broader construct that she's going after in Dominion, the systems and the software and everything she's trying to pull together, she's getting affidavits, she's getting this.
People are asking, because she is part of the campaign, the servers and some of the infrastructure associated, we just had Dominion Systems here, I think it was in Pennsylvania, literally when you came on, refused to answer questions, I think they gave a three minute opening statement in Pennsylvania, and then walked away.
And they said, we're not here to answer, they won't answer any questions.
No, the hearing was completely cancelled.
The hearing's cancelled because they're not answering any questions, because they said, hey, this is all going to get into legal, which it is.
Is the campaign, particularly the infrastructure around Dominion, is the, and I know the campaign can't do this, but have you requested the FBI or anybody to step in here and start to seize physical infrastructure so they can't destroy information?
boris epshteyn
So to be clear, Sidney is not part of the campaign.
She represents the president.
She's part of the legal team that represents the president and the campaign.
Just a distinction there for our friends at Media Matters who I'm sure are listening.
By the way, Pam Vogel was on my beat at Sinclair for two and a half years.
I have to watch every one of my segments.
Pam, thanks so much for your fandom.
I really appreciate it.
God bless you and your family.
Yeah, it was just so wonderful to know that somebody was always watching, right?
It was like the Sting song.
steve bannon
We call Madeline Peltz as head of our marketing department, right?
We get more views off of her than anybody.
We always thank the Media Matters guys.
So what about Sidney Powell?
boris epshteyn
She is looking at a broad potential alleged conspiracy, a broad fraud that was carried out using Dominion.
The things we know are that 6,000 votes were switched from President Trump to Joe Biden in Antrim County, Michigan.
We know that.
That was done by Dominion.
We know about Dominion's past.
We know about Dominion's present.
We know how it's been used around the world to change elections.
And we want to know what happened with Dominion in America.
And I think every American should be concerned that the company of such terrible repute was used to calculate our votes.
And in terms of the FBI getting involved, you know, as Mayor Giuliani yesterday sort of, you know, he made a joke about, right, and facetiously started looking around, we don't know where the FBI is at any of this.
Where is the FBI in the Biden laptop, right?
They looked at it, they let it go.
unidentified
You know, maybe the deep state just isn't that interested.
boris epshteyn
in in running down running to ground issues that help the democrats but they were surely interested in in perpetrating you know the members of hot very senior members these mostly member of the abbey at the time call me was very interested and that the groucho hoax so that dichotomy that hypocrisy bothers me very much actually bothers me to know when it can uh... can you uh...
steve bannon
it is the question that people are asking nonstop Are federal authorities going to step in here?
You've turned up enough information from the campaign.
I understand you're going through a legal process and the campaign's going through a political process.
You've got Sidney out there representing the President.
You've got enough evidence.
Is that being turned over to legal authorities?
They can start either criminal investigations or they can start maybe going and seize, if it's servers or infrastructure, to make sure that nobody tampers with it and we actually get the facts.
All people want is the truth.
If President Trump lost this with legal ballots, people will accept that.
They'll be angry, and they'll be loyal opposition.
But they're not going to have this stolen.
Are federal authorities stepping in here?
We've got about 30 seconds.
boris epshteyn
We hope so.
The Dominion seems to be a real issue, and there seems to be enough evidence, as you mentioned, I believe there's enough evidence for the federal authorities to step in and look into it.
And I absolutely hope and we will do whatever we can to call on the federal authorities to step in and investigate this and get to the bottom of it.
Again, the point here is to make sure that all legal votes were counted.
We're doing so state by state and by looking into this issue with the shady Dominion voting systems.
And we urge all Americans to keep the fight up, to continue looking at the truth.
And we're confident that when the truth comes out, when all legal votes are counted, President Trump will be re-elected for four more years.
steve bannon
We'll put your Twitter up in the next segment.
Thank you very much.
Short commercial break.
Jason Turnit next.
boris epshteyn
Have a good day.
unidentified
War Room.
Pandemic.
With Stephen K. Bannon.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room.
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
peter navarro
are all democratic run.
And what they share in common is kind of the lockdown economy.
It's the Gavin Newsom, Cuomo, Pelosi, Murphy economy.
And what it is, here's the irony, they're all Dems.
What this lockdown does, this lockdown economy does, it's a regressive tax on the poor.
Because the people who are getting put out of work and being forced to be on this unemployment are really the lower end of our income stream.
It's just cruel.
It's democratic cruelty.
steve bannon
Now is Jason Trennert, one of Wall Street's top minds.
He's head of Strategis, which is a consulting firm to hedge funds and other money managers.
He wrote an amazing op-ed in the Wall Street Journal back in October, Remember the Forgotten Man.
He joins us now.
I want to take both your op-ed, sir, and what Peter Navarro said today about these lockdowns and about the regressive tax.
In all of this, are we forgetting about The most important thing, the deplorables.
So what are your thoughts about these lockdowns?
Economically, can we afford it?
What's going to happen not just to the economy but to the balance sheet of the Federal Reserve?
Are we driving ourselves into a Japanification of the United States?
Are we looking at lost decades ahead because of this kind of knee-jerk reaction that everybody's kind of going in a different direction about what we should do with the economy?
What say you, Kirsten Krennert?
jason trennert
Listen, I think, you know, Steve, it's a great question.
I feel very strongly that many of the policies that we've pursued over the past 10 years have hurt those people that are least able to afford it.
And that starts with quantitative easing on the part of the Fed, which is, you know, it's very good for people that own stocks and bonds, but it's not particularly good for people that just have the savings account, right?
So they get zero in their savings account, but stocks and bonds, rally in price dramatically.
The lockdowns, too, are one of those things where if you have savings, if you're wealthy, if you work for a large company that has access to public capital, it's not so bad.
But if you're just a business owner that doesn't have the benefits of unlimited access to capital, where you're having to initially got helped out by the government through PPP, but Obviously, those funds have run out.
You're very much in trouble right now, and you're facing a very, very difficult couple of months.
I mean, I think the most frustrating thing for people is that the policymakers themselves are so often disconnected from the policies that they promote.
And so lockdowns are pretty easy if you can't lose your job because you're the governor of California.
Or it's not so bad if you work on Wall Street or in technology or Silicon Valley where you can easily work from home.
But that's not everybody.
It's not even nearly a majority of the people out there.
So I'm very much in agreement with what Peter said.
steve bannon
We've had you on the show since the very beginning because remember the pandemic was it triggered a financial economic crisis both in supply chain and you know from China also the drop in aggregate demand that led to financial crisis that we've had to blow up the balance sheet of the Federal Reserve and I want to remind everybody quantitative easing Really started in the most progressive administration in mankind's history.
That would be Barack Obama back in 2009 and it was Joe Biden that was kind of the Wall Street.
He was the shill for the street faction that wanted to do that.
So he's a huge believer in quantitative easing.
So the question is, you've seen the data.
working peoples uh... you know balance their personal balance sheets their personal net income is one of things cube talks about all the time about this disparity in and wealth between african-american families and and white families so the question is you've seen the data your numbers guy uh... that were now the second wave of the of the virus I've got, and I want to hold it up, I've got Jason Trenner on here, but I want to hold the Financial Times of London.
Americans told not to travel for Thanksgiving over virus fears.
This is the head of CDC.
Last time I looked, the CDC guy reports to Donald J. Trump.
This is President Trump's administration.
Now we're going to wear masks.
Nobody's going to travel.
Right?
I just don't go, I don't understand what Pence is doing with his task force.
I don't think the task force should be able to stand up there and just give random opinions, their personal or their, even their professional opinions, unless you kind of tie it together.
So Jason, seeing what they're putting forward on the pandemic, seeing what they're putting forward with like, you know, we're not having targeted interventions, but we're just going to go to mass lockdowns again.
Where do you see this economy going?
Where do you see, because I'm saying, hey, I think we're headed now into uncharted territory, right?
We are going to a place in the American economy that the American economy has never been, even during World War II and the Great Depression.
What are your thoughts?
jason trennert
Yeah, I think, listen, Steve, last year, in the last fiscal year, our budget deficit was $3 trillion, which is about 16, 17% of GDP.
We haven't seen a figure like that since World War II.
And if you combine that with a balance sheet, the Fed's balance sheet is increased by 70% this year from $4 trillion to $7 trillion.
One of the things it does bring up, not in the short term probably, but over the next two or three years, is inflation.
the specter of inflation, especially with the Democratic president that is going to be interested in policies that are...
steve bannon
What Democratic president is that?
You're clearly not watching The War Room like you used to.
jason trennert
No, no.
Well, listen, I'm just assuming, and again, I don't want to offend anyone.
unidentified
I know, you're just a working man on Wall Street, I understand.
jason trennert
I'm going with the flow for now, but listen, I support the President's questioning of the results completely, I have no problem with that.
But if, as Wall Street tends to expect, that there is a new Biden administration, You know, you're going to see things that you saw, let's say, in the 70s, Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, which are extremely expensive.
And politicians are largely put on earth to give things away.
They're not put on earth to take things away.
And the dismount from this excessive spending and excessive monetary policy is not going to be easy.
It's going to be quite difficult and painful.
And it may result in inflation first, but getting out of this is going to be very, very difficult.
I have to say, personally, I was very much against the lockdowns at the start of this process.
Now, I understand it's easy for me to say that because I'm not running the country, right?
So when people didn't know much about the virus, it seemed reasonable, perhaps, to try to bend the curve.
But now, eight months into this, Steve, I'd ask you how much confidence do the American people have in all of the experts, quote-unquote experts, that seem to be telling them different things on different days?
One other thing I would mention is there's a working paper from the National Bureau of Economic Research that largely comes to the conclusion that almost regardless of what Policy has been pursued by various governments.
The health outcomes wind up being the same.
So, which makes you wonder, for a country like Sweden, which, you know, of course, a lot of people are rooting for Sweden to fail, but, I mean, one could say that even if they may have to lock down now, they've largely won, because they didn't have to go through the pain and the suffering that the rest of us had for eight months, so they wind up with the same Health outcome without the pain and suffering, economic suffering, it seems to me that they're clearly a winner in this.
So it'll be interesting to see how many people are really heeding the CDC's recommendations.
I have a feeling compliance is going to be less rather than more.
steve bannon
A last question, Jason, is that people look at the stock market, all-time highs, all the markets are up on, you know, if they announce a vaccine or not, but you look at the underlying economics, and I know that theoretically the stock market should be the net present value of all the income streams back to these companies.
Right?
Aggregated up.
But you see this kind of uncertainty about overall economy.
President Trump obviously has had this great recovery to date, but it's huge questions going forward.
Biden's talking about, I think, a $7 trillion stimulus program that's out there, right?
But markets are all-time highs.
Is there a disconnect?
With the stock market and equity markets that's decoupled from what the real economy is, because I look at New York City, it's a ghost town.
I look at Washington DC, it's a ghost town.
Chicago is about to be shut down again.
And so people are asking, how can the stock market, which is supposed to be the present value of actual enterprises, what's the disconnect?
Or maybe it's a disconnect and I just don't get it, so can you explain it to me?
jason trennert
No, I mean, there is a disconnect because it represents the stock market, it represents the largest companies in the economy.
And so, you know, Milton Friedman is very famous for saying, you know, he's not pro-business, he's pro-market, pro-free markets, because the biggest beneficiaries from a large government, it's a fallacy to say that businesses aren't a benefit from a large government.
It just happens to be the very largest businesses that are the biggest beneficiaries of large government.
So, it's not surprising that the largest companies in the country, as represented by the S&P 500 and the Dow Industrials, are doing okay, because they're benefiting disproportionately from the variety of monetary and fiscal tools that have been brought to bear.
The average guy that runs a hardware store, or an optician's store, or whatever it is, or a restaurant, is getting run over because they don't have the same access to capital.
They're very dependent upon bank loans at a time when bank lending standards have been tightening.
And so, to me, that's the difference, because you're essentially measuring two different things.
I will say, you're still 10 million people short.
of where you were.
You had 153 million people in the workforce in February.
It fell to 130 million.
You're back to 142 million.
you're back to 142 million, but you're still 10 million people in the workforce short of where you were in February.
steve bannon
Can you hang on for one second? We're going to cut and come right back.
unidentified
War Room. Pandemic with Stephen K. Bannon.
The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room.
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Welcome back.
I want to go, do we have it up yet?
We're going to put up the Twitter feed of Dan Price.
He's the individual, the software guy that raised all of his, the wages at his firm, everybody up to $70,000 and I think he took, he was making a million dollars and went down to $70,000.
He's got a Twitter stream that everybody's got to read.
It basically reinforces Jason Trenner.
We're going to get either Dan or one of his people on the show, in the evening show or over the weekend.
He's got a blistering, blistering Twitter stream that really goes through about what's happened in this economy.
Remember, what the globalist project wants is state capitalism in a more centralized, authoritarian government.
They want the Chinese model.
And people go, oh, that's Bannon, he's crazy, they don't, you know, they're not, okay.
Tom Friedman talks about it, they all talk about it, they can make dramatic change on climate change and on racism, systematic racism, all these things that they want to get to.
They think it's so evil in the Judeo-Christian West.
Right?
It's so evil, that's why the diaspora of China, people leaving that system, are coming to the Judeo-Christian West.
Right?
Where they see freedom and they want to export that back to mainland China and take down the CCP.
Price is a capitalist.
He's an entrepreneur.
And he walks through, pretty systematically, in like 10 or 12 tweets, what the finesse is.
It's the finesse.
This is not a conspiracy.
There is no conspiracy here.
This is up in your grill.
The Great Reset, right?
Liz Zor walked through it the other day.
We're going to go more into this to make sure that we can pull the camera back and that you can frame this.
You can come to your own conclusions.
But there's no conspiracy.
This is the party of Davos.
This is Klaus Schwab walks through this.
This is how the system works.
This is the world's economic system.
This is why this fetish of the post-war rules-based international order.
That was just a system that was gamed by a state capitalist totalitarian dictatorship in Beijing who are One thing you've got to understand about why I call them an existential threat, it's not the Soviets with an economy the size of California that Reagan goes, why are Kissinger and these guys, I understand they've got nuclear weapons all over the place, but it's the economy that's going to collapse.
Right?
Why am I believing in Allison Graham and Henry Kissinger?
They're the rising power.
How about this?
We win, they lose.
They're an evil empire.
Eight years later.
Even when he said that, the CIA goes, oh, 50 years, we'll do it.
No, seven, eight years later, Berlin Wall, down.
Freedom, back.
Right?
The system we're in now is that different than the Nazis, different than the fascists, different than the military junta in Japan, different than the Soviets, Beijing, the rulers in Beijing, And that's why we said, and this is why we did the live broadcast together on election night.
This is why the New York Times has, I think it's a front page story, it's 3,000 words on Miles Guo and Steve Bannon.
The merger, this is what they're signaling, the merger of the vast right-wing media apparatus with the diaspora, the anti-CCP Chinese.
Dr. Yan is just, remember, she's just the vehicle so they can tell the story.
She's just the instrument they use to tell the story.
What they think the story is.
Why do we say, and it resonates so much with the Chinese people, why do they say it's the most important election in the history of the United States?
So says the flag officers that signed the letter to President Trump.
But this is the most important election in 5,000, 8,000 years of Chinese history.
Because there's two diametrically opposed systems here.
One is the nation-state and the sovereignty of the American people in our beloved country.
Right?
In a system of nation-states.
Or you're going to have the network effect of the globalist system.
Right?
As personified by Davos and the World Economic Forum.
And the center beating heart of that economic engine is the slave labor of the Chinese people.
That's what we're fighting for.
Why has the New York Times got this story today?
You know what they fear?
Here's what they fear.
Don't fear Jack Maxey or Fish Burr or Steve Bannon or Raheem Kassam or Sidney Powell or the people we get on here.
Our next desk has got Dr. Thayer and Jason Trennard.
No, they fear you.
They fear, what their greatest fear in life is, is a partnership between the deplorables and Lao Bai Zheng, old hundred names.
Right?
With the Zhezheng, and the folks in India, and the guys in Australia, and the men and women in Japan, the people that want to stand up for their individual freedom, and are prepared to back politicians and leaders that have countries that believe in their sovereignty.
This global movement is a patriot movement.
It's for patriots from Brazil, to Sub-Saharan Africa, to the Middle East, to the United States of America, to mainland China.
That's what they fear.
And we're not going to back down one inch.
That's why this election.
And why do we have an international audience that comes in and wants to know the details on the commission meeting in Madison, Wisconsin?
That takes five hours.
And why do we have massive traffic for what's going on in a recount in Georgia?
Or now with two congressmen flying up to see the Navajo Nation up in Four Corners in Arizona.
Why is it global?
Because they understand the importance of this election.
That this is what stands between them and the Great Reset.
Right?
So that's that.
We're not going to back off.
Not one inch.
And that's why, earlier in the show, I'm jumping on you guys.
It's the signal, not the noise.
You're not in a high school cafeteria.
And I'll let it go after this.
unidentified
Okay?
steve bannon
Because I know that you're signal hunters.
Right?
Okay, we're going to have some more analysis in the numbers with Rahim.
We're also going to get Matt.
Brainerd and other guys on the evening show.
Our evening show is 5 to 7.
We cover it.
We get fabulous guests.
Do a lot of analytics on the evening show.
Wrap up what's going on.
So we drive the news cycle in the morning and then hopefully we drive the news cycle late in the afternoon encapsulated.
Right after the National Pulse with Raheem Ghassan.
Before I get Dr. Bradley Thayer on here, and I want to thank Jason Turner, we ran over the last time, we ran over, we're so jammed for time, but Jason Turner talked about some of your favorite topics here.
And Jason Trenum's a numbers guy, and we're going to get that National Bureau.
He had told me about that economics.
The National Bureau, they're just hobbits over in the bowels of the government, but they're doing numbers all the time, and they can't report.
You don't see Fauci talking about that.
Where was that at the task force yesterday?
Where is that, the CDC?
Vice President Pence, hello, note to self, where's the National Bureau of Economic Affairs that said that, hey, none of these things are working.
There's no difference between the hardest lockdown in the world and the guys in Sweden who walk around with their shirts off, hey, give me herd, I want the herd.
I want the herd immunity.
No difference.
But here's what we got.
Here's what we got, Vice President Pence.
We got CDC just sitting there, yeah, you know what, I think here's what we're going to do.
Nobody's going to travel anywhere.
You're not going to go to Grandma's house?
You won on November 3rd, Vice President Pence.
We won.
You get an extra bonus.
This is bonus time.
We're in bonus time for the second administration, for the second term.
Let's act like it.
unidentified
Let's get a firm grip on things.
steve bannon
Anybody over there that thinks we lost, just leave.
Just leave.
Go get the resume.
Just go.
Nobody's making you stay.
If you don't think we won, you're not doing anybody a favor.
We don't need favors.
jack maxey
We got fighters.
steve bannon
We're set, but we've got a bonus time in the second administration.
Act like it.
And here's one way to act like it.
Don't let your CDC guy, maybe he should run that by you.
Right?
Let's have a task force meeting with guys running it by you.
I'm not talking about suppressing their professional opinions, no.
But let's maybe get a coordinated, you know, way that we think this through and think down range of what are we trying to do.
Hey, if that's what you believe, then let the task force come out with that.
Not just these random voices.
I got Fauci saying one thing.
If Fauci's now, Fauci's talking about, hey, do we get the vaccine now?
It could be the fourth quarter.
He actually mentioned the fourth quarter.
Had to put that fourth quarter in there.
Why don't we just say 2021?
Right?
AOC saying, let's just pay people to stay in, let's pay people to stay home.
This is how they hope to break you.
This is how they hope to break society.
It's not a conspiracy.
It's pretty out in the open.
So Jack, Jason mentioned, I tell you, we've got to get Dr. Thayer on here.
Now let me go to Dr. Thayer and then I'll come back to you guys.
You guys aren't going.
Rahim's over there eating and pounding down the cookies.
Dr. Bradley Thayer.
Dr. Thayer, New York Times today has got a 5,000-word, 3,000-word story about the vast right-wing media apparatus of Bannon and his colleagues now merging with the diaspora of the anti-communist Chinese.
They've all fled China to take down the CCP, and they're like these inefficient victims, right?
This is the big bad right spreading all this misinformation.
Right?
About it.
Where, because you've written so many amazing articles.
Has the, and this is why I think people are, their heads are blown up at the reset.
You never hear anything about their responsibility and accountability for this entire mess.
Just explain to our audience, you're an expert, spend your life in this.
How can the apparatus, how can the mainstream media, how can the institutions, how can they just, how can it be down the memory hole that the Chinese Communist Party is the cause of this?
unidentified
Steve, thanks for having me on today.
I think the first reason why that's the case is because there's very little accountability.
We have had individuals pursue the same policies now for a generation which have led to the rise of China and the decline in relative power of the United States.
And nobody has been held accountable for those decisions, right?
It's almost as though everyone shrugs shoulders and wonders how this could have happened when in fact it happened on their watch.
The second reason is that people want this.
That is that the Business communities, financial world, Wall Street, if you will, just in sum, have profited enormously from the rise of China and the spread of globalization in international politics.
And so we need to recognize that there are many individuals here in positions of power, economic power, technological power, political power, who sought this.
The third reason is the genius of the Chinese Communist Party and the way they have been able to rise without provoking any balancing against them.
Very little effective balancing against them.
And they have done that by reaching out to Western elites and other elites worldwide to establish economic relationships with them, by which they profit at the expense of larger issues.
In sum, I always say that it's the economists have been in charge rather than the strategists.
And so when the economists are in charge, we're in the world of absolute gains, and everybody is benefiting.
And as the Chinese Communist Party says, that's a win-win solution, right, for everybody.
In reality, it is for them.
It's not for anyone else.
What we need is for the strategists to be in charge.
We need individuals who are extremely serious about the situation and America's national security problems at present, which is why more confrontation with China is necessary rather than accommodation with China as so many want.
steve bannon
Dr. Thayer, hang on for one second.
We're going to take a break.
I need you to come back because I want to put to you that exact question.
A strategist, you know, knows what you say and read what you say and your other colleagues about this confrontation with the Chinese Communist Party.
Dr. Henry Kissinger, a strategist, and he says if you listen to Bradley Thayer and if you listen to Steve Bannon and if you listen to Matt Pottinger and Navarro and these guys, we're going to end up in World War I. And if you listen to me, we're going to have sunlit uplands.
We're going to come back with Dr. Bradley Thayer.
From The Hill.
Hill, a columnist for The Hill, in a moment.
unidentified
War Room.
War Room Pandemic.
With Stephen K. Bannon.
The epidemic is a demon, and we cannot let this demon hide.
War Room.
Pandemic.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
...perceptive analyst around the Chinese Communist Party and what they're doing.
He's a frequent contributor over at The Hill, which is one of the best papers in Washington, D.C., in all of politics.
I want to go back to Dr. Thayer.
So, Dr. Thayer, Henry Kissinger would agree with you that it's time now to put the strategists back in charge.
His beef Is that, he thinks Thayer and the strategists he hangs out with, and is a part of, is one of the thinkers in back of, are a danger.
In fact, he was very blunt.
He says that if you follow what you say, and you follow what the war room says, and you follow what, you know, Pottinger and others, Pompeo, and Donald J. Trump, we're gonna lead, and he picked very specific language.
He went back to the guns of August.
He went back to really the catastrophe that triggered a century that mankind's bloodiest century triggered by what led up in the beginning of World War One.
And he specifically picked that.
He didn't say Cold War.
Very specific.
He said World War One.
That's their new thing.
These nutcases are going to lead you into a catastrophe that's going to engulf this entire century and destroy everything.
Dr. Thayer, what say you?
unidentified
Steve, in Kissinger's Bloomberg interview this week, he made two major arguments.
One, that the United States and China, in a prospective Biden administration, need to identify points of cooperation or accommodation first, before looking at areas of difference.
And then secondly, as you argued, that If we don't do that, we're in a situation that could lead to that catastrophe like World War I. Well, that's fundamentally mistaken.
First, it's fundamentally mistaken because in World War I, all of the great powers were essentially status quo powers, right?
They stumbled into war, a war that none of them wanted.
And which cost them, obviously, dearly.
That is not comparable to the situation now between the United States and China, where China is a revisionist power.
China is seeking dramatic and fundamental change in international politics globally.
And the U.S.
is much more akin to a status quo power, but China is not.
So the World War I example falls through.
A much better historical comparison would be the Cold War, where we had the Soviet Union as a revisionist state, seeking revolution and very dramatic change.
And the United States and its allies were able to prevent that, obviously, and to defeat the Soviets in a Cold War.
So I think Kissinger is fundamentally wrong.
It's a spurious comparison.
And it's one which, in my interpretation, is designed to frighten, right?
It's used as a tactic to try to delegitimize those who are arguing for confrontation with China along the lines of what we did with the Soviet Union.
steve bannon
Dr. Thayer, how do people get more access to your social media and how do they get more access to your writings?
unidentified
Well, we blog at Thayer Han, and then the number one.
So, T-H-A-Y-E-R-H-A-N, and the number one.
steve bannon
Dr. Thayer, thank you very much.
Thank you very much for joining us in the War Room.
Dr. Bradley Thayer, the guy's got more insights on what the Chinese Communist Party is trying to do.
You've got to read his insights.
Totally opposite of Henry Kissinger.
Jack, the Ministry of Truth in China has spoken.
This is what the Chinese people... Why do so many people in mainland China listen and watch this show?
Besides Chinese intelligence, everybody's trying to figure out where the deplorables are going, and how we're locking in with Lao Baijing.
Why?
Because they get information that they can use in their lives.
unidentified
Okay?
steve bannon
That's just one of the reasons we do the show, and it's one of the reasons that the show is so big globally.
And here's the reason why.
What did the Chinese Minister of Truth just come out and say, Mr. Jack?
jack maxey
Zhu Lin, the Vice Director of the Central Propaganda Department, told a medium forum yesterday That China must resolutely guard against digitalization, diluting the party's leadership, resolutely prevent the risk of capital manipulating public opinion.
Digitalization could bring about changes in media, but no matter what kind of media outlet, no matter if it's mainstream or commercially run platform, online or offline, big or small screen, there is but one criterion for guidance.
There is no space outside the law, no enclave for public opinion.
You have to follow the party line.
That's it.
The ruling party, the Communist Party, will dictate truth no matter whether it's a small screen, a large screen, public or private.
TikTok, we listening people?
And what I want people to also remember, they are saying openly, What people like Jack Dorsey and Zuckerberg and guys at Google are doing in private.
At least the Chinese Communist Party is willing to come out and state their declarative aims.
We are getting a little secret version of the Communist Party in the background.
I also wanted to quickly say one thing about Sweden.
We talked about it.
Sweden didn't go through the chaos that the rest of Europe did, and to a certain extent this saved them massive problems along depression, etc.
etc.
But here in the United States, we have a metric very similar to Sweden.
We have South Dakota.
South Dakota never went through the chaos that the rest of the country went through.
South Dakota currently today has a 3.4% unemployment rate.
That is less than half what the nation is.
So it gives you an idea, perhaps, of how these different paths diverge.
steve bannon
Why are we in the mess we're in right now, trying to sort out this election?
How it's trying to be stolen?
Because of the CCP virus.
The Chinese Communist Party virus.
And no, this is not racism nativist.
It is the diaspora of the Chinese people seeking freedom that support this 1000%.
Okay, we're gonna come back at five o'clock.
Rahim, what's on National Pulse at three?
unidentified
Congressman Paul Gosar will be joining us, Molly McCann of council with Sidney Powell, and Kane from Citizen Fruit Press.
steve bannon
Wow, amazing.
So anything, any latest breaks?
Greg, before we take off and get back to the 5 o'clock show?
greg manz
Yep, so at 4 o'clock, or just a few minutes after, the President will be meeting with the House Speaker and the Majority Leader of Michigan to get a sense of what's going on in the ground there and the next step forward.
jack maxey
Also, one quick thing.
The Supreme Court just assigned the circuits to the various Supreme Court Justices.
I think our listeners will be happy to know that Samuel Alito picked the 3rd Circuit.
That covers Pennsylvania.
Brett Kavanaugh picked the 6th Circuit.
That covers Michigan and Ohio, Tennessee, and Kentucky.
Amy Comey Barrett, Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin in the 7th.
And Clarence Thomas going home to Georgia on the 11th.
steve bannon
Wow.
OK, they're all going to have hot cases.
OK, we're back at 5 o'clock.
unidentified
A little hard drive from hell on the national pulse right now.
steve bannon
Oh, I can't get enough hard drive from hell.
Have the Biden folks suck on that for a while.
OK, we're going to come back.
I want to thank the hall monitor over at Media Matters.
The firewall, remember, we take, we're the tip of the spear taking down the firewall in China.
We have a firewall here in the good old United States of America.
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